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Stears
11-18-2013, 05:00 PM
In 1897, Wilhelm II , emperor of Germany made a state visit to Austria-Hungary.

In the Schönbrunn Palace, Wilhelm II started to brag about the beauty of growing German cities (Berlin Hamburg München etc...) and their architecture.
However Vienna has/had little downtown.
Therefore Franz Joseph decided to show him Budapest, which had enormous downtown (larger than the downtowns of the above mentioned cities combined) and more splendid luxury style buildings.

Emperor wilhelm trawelled a lot with Franz Joseph (2 days with many interruptions) in the streets of the downtown of Budapest.
Wilhelm shocked.




Kaiser Wilhelm in Budapest:
http://m.cdn.blog.hu/ti/timelord/image/vilmos_csaszar_budapesten_resize.jpg


Wilhelm in the ball room of Buda palace.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/II_Vilmos_Budapesten_1897-41.JPG

Baluarte
11-18-2013, 05:03 PM
In 1897, Wilhelm II , emperor of Germany made a state visit to Austria-Hungary.

In the Schönbrunn Palace, Wilhelm II started to brag about the beauty of growing German cities (Berlin Hamburg München etc...) and their architecture.


Interesting that the Prussian would brag about a city that had been force occupied merely 30 years before. Reaping the merits of the Bavarians, I see.

Skomand
11-18-2013, 05:15 PM
In 1897, Wilhelm II , emperor of Germany made a state visit to Austria-Hungary.

In the Schönbrunn Palace, Wilhelm II started to brag about the beauty of growing German cities (Berlin Hamburg München etc...) and their architecture.
However Vienna has/had little downtown.
Therefore Franz Joseph decided to show him Budapest, which had enormous downtown (larger than the downtowns of the above mentioned cities combined) and more splendid luxury style buildings.

Emperor wilhelm trawelled a lot with Franz Joseph (2 days with many interruptions) in the streets of the downtown of Budapest.
Wilhelm shocked.




Kaiser Wilhelm in Budapest:
http://m.cdn.blog.hu/ti/timelord/image/vilmos_csaszar_budapesten_resize.jpg


Wilhelm in the ball room of Buda palace.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/II_Vilmos_Budapesten_1897-41.JPG

http://www.budapestarchitect.com/text/architecten/lechner_en.php#.UopYkieFeLM
Ödon Lechner, Budapest's major architect, of German descent, studied at the Bauakademie in Berlin.

Stears
11-18-2013, 05:25 PM
http://www.budapestarchitect.com/text/architecten/lechner_en.php#.UopYkieFeLM
Ödon Lechner, Budapest's major architect, of German descent, studied at the Bauakademie in Berlin.

He was one of the major architects. HE -similarly to his colleagues- visited Rome Paris London Lisbon Madrid to study their architecture. That's why Budapest has more Western European look rather than Central European (German-Asutrian) styles. Contemporary Hungarians had traditional antipathy towards German culture, so i was a necessity to do.... The old Hungarian architectural traditions of the great cities were also linked to Italy and France since the beginnings, mostly the villages and very little towns had historically german architectural influences.

Stears
11-18-2013, 05:44 PM
Do not forget, we have the first oldest university of technology in the world (incl. faculty of Architecture).

Skomand
11-18-2013, 05:58 PM
He was one of the major architects. HE -similarly to his colleagues- visited Rome Paris London Lisbon to study their architecture. That's why Budapest has more Western European look rather than Central European (German-Asutrian) styles. Contemporary Hungarians had traditional antipathy towards German culture, so i was a necessity to do.... The old Hungarian architectural traditions of the great cities were also linked to Italy and France since the beginnings, mostly the villages and very little towns had historically german architectural influences.

Béla Leitersdorfer, Lechner's disciple: Jewish

http://www.budapestarchitect.com/text/architecten/lajta_en.php#.UopiCCeFeLM

Baluarte
11-18-2013, 05:59 PM
Béla Leitersdorfer, Lechner's disciple: Jewish

http://www.budapestarchitect.com/text/architecten/lajta_en.php#.UopiCCeFeLM

I'm pretty sure the II German Empire was just if not more philosemitic than Austria-Hungary

Stears
11-18-2013, 06:01 PM
Béla Leitersdorfer, Lechner's disciple: Jewish

http://www.budapestarchitect.com/text/architecten/lajta_en.php#.UopiCCeFeLM

Do not search less important architects, who worked in the 20th century, because most of the downtown of Budapest was built in the 19th century (not the including our medieval and 18th century buildings)

Stears
11-18-2013, 06:16 PM
The next topic will be about the Hungarian VS German contribution in science and technology between 1820-1945. (regarding the population size)
I think German inventions and their scientific/technological importance has maximum one and a half times or two times more imortant than Hungarian, regarding their much more bigger population and industrial output (and number of research laboratiories) it is a clear and great shame for them.

Szegedist
11-18-2013, 07:56 PM
Great thread, keep them coming.

Stears
11-18-2013, 08:43 PM
But where is Wolf?

McCauley
11-18-2013, 08:47 PM
Viktator, why do you keep switching between your two accounts, Viktator and Stears?

Kiyant
11-18-2013, 08:48 PM
Viktator, why do you keep switching between your two accounts, Viktator and Stears?

Stears is not a sockpuppet of Viktor.....

Skomand
11-19-2013, 12:37 AM
Do not search less important architects, who worked in the 20th century, because most of the downtown of Budapest was built in the 19th century (not the including our medieval and 18th century buildings)

Sure, this was the time when Budapest was German-dominated.

http://hostarea.de/out.php/i318931_buda.jpg (http://hostarea.de/show.php/318931_buda.jpg.html)

Stears
11-19-2013, 09:23 AM
Sure, this was the time when Budapest was German-dominated.


http://hostarea.de/out.php/i318931_buda.jpg (http://hostarea.de/show.php/318931_buda.jpg.html)


No.

Geminus
11-19-2013, 04:32 PM
The next topic will be about the Hungarian VS German contribution in science and technology between 1820-1945. (regarding the population size)
I think German inventions and their scientific/technological importance has maximum one and a half times or two times more imortant than Hungarian, regarding their much more bigger population and industrial output (and number of research laboratiories) it is a clear and great shame for them.

If your efforts to exaggerate Hungarian efforts and dwarf German accomplishments would be sophisticated and well thought of in any way I would probably be offended.
But so this is just somewhat funny to see ;)
As a hint: Probably put up statistics and name some of your sources instead of telling anecdotal stories.

Truth
11-21-2013, 11:51 AM
If your efforts to exaggerate Hungarian efforts and dwarf German accomplishments would be sophisticated and well thought of in any way I would probably be offended.
But so this is just somewhat funny to see ;)
As a hint: Probably put up statistics and name some of your sources instead of telling anecdotal stories.

Hahahaha

read it German, you will get "Herzinfarkt" :))))


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_technology_in_Hungary