Split: What would you want to do with individuals of mixed heritage? / Mod

[Anthropos]

Well, not really :D ...

C'mon .. this is freedom of speech forum, then we always must argue inconsistencies and contradictions that exist around it ;)

Let's say a child has one Swedish parent and was raised in Sweden, the other parent being a foreigner, and even as foreign as can be, in order that we may take into consideration the most extreme case (instead of that of any member here). Would you want to deport the child?

Would you even want to deport the other parent?

[Tabiti]

Deportation seems useless for mixed race/ancestry children since they don't belong fully nowhere.
Don't think that all of the Africans, for example, would greet mulattos and accept them.

[Östsvensk]

Let's say a child has one Swedish parent and was raised in Sweden, the other parent being a foreigner, and even as foreign as can be, in order that we may take into consideration the most extreme case (instead of that of any member here). Would you want to deport the child?

Would you even want to deport the other parent?

I know the question wasn't aimed at me, but I can only speak of it from my own perspective. I wouldn't necessarily want to deport him or her, but rather at least sterilize the individual if he or she was living with an ethnic Swede. In that case, I would rather see their children come from sperm donation or a surrogathe mother.

But I don't think many, or at least not a political party, shares my views on this. Neither the adoptives and half Swedes themselves.

[Brännvin]

Would you want to deport the child?

Yes, why not? Depending on age it could assimilate inside the country of its other parent.

In addition, Eastern Swede responded quite as well to the your question; I also would sterilize it (case if it was rooted inside of the Swedish society). Unless you've a moral argument against it. I'd like to read the your opinion.



Would you even want to deport the other parent?

Depending on nationality and ethnicity, yes.

[Anthropos]

I know the question wasn't aimed at me, but I can only speak of it from my own perspective. I wouldn't necessarily want to deport him or her, but rather at least sterilize the individual if he or she was living with an ethnic Swede. In that case, I would rather see their children come from sperm donation or a surrogathe mother.

But I don't think many, or at least not a political party, shares my views on this. Neither the adoptives and half Swedes themselves.

It's a question for anyone. I much prefer discussing that - even if I don't think there's a whole lot to discuss, given some fundamental respect for human beings - to some forum drama, and besides, the drama has already been discussed at great length.

[Anthropos]

I don't think there's a valid reason for deportation in such a case, nor for sterilisation. That would be barbaric and truly criminal, in my opinion.

[Brännvin]

I don't think there's a valid reason for deportation in such a case, nor for sterilisation. That would be barbaric and truly criminal, in my opinion.

I made a thread asking about absolute truths which I don't believe it. I respect your opinion though.

However, Sweden practiced sterilization in the past, and I see none objection to this as today as in the future, if it necessary.

[Anthropos]

Sweden practiced sterilization in the past, and I see none objection to this as today as in the future, if it necessary.

You see one now.

I don't moralise people, but on a personal note, I am disappointed.

[Östsvensk]

Posts about this subject moved to this thread.

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[Tabiti]

Well, if they want to have children so badly one day, it's better to marry only within themselves to protect the both nations.
Sterelization, deportation, holocaust seem quite cruel, because mixed race children are not guilty in fact. However, they should know not to mix with locals.

[Ankoù]

I don't think there's a valid reason for deportation in such a case, nor for sterilisation. That would be barbaric and truly criminal, in my opinion.

When you see some mullatos here, they seems more interested by their African roots, so I think they would be better in Africa. The main reason they stay here is a materialistic one and I do not accept this.
Anyway, if deportation can seems criminal, sterelization is no more criminal than the insidious propaganda on racial mixing who is killing European peoples.

[Anthropos]

When you see some mullatos here, they seems more interested by their African roots, so I think they would be better in Africa. The main reason they stay here is a materialistic one and I do not accept this.
Anyway, if deportation can seems criminal, sterelization is no more criminal than the insidious propaganda on racial mixing who is killing European peoples.

It is too. Race-mixing propaganda, though tactless as it is, does not force anyone to mix. Sterilisation terminates an essential faculty of the human being.

[Ankoù]

It is too. Race-mixing propaganda, though tactless as it is, does not force anyone to mix. Sterilisation terminates an essential faculty of the human being.

My human nature say to myself I prefer survive despite the fact I pass as a brute.

[Anthropos]

My human nature say to myself I prefer survive despite the fact I pass as a brute.

False dilemma. We don't have to sterilise people in order to survive. Those two are in contradiction rather. Don't create a worse enemy.

[Ankoù]

We don't have to sterilise people in order to survive.

So, what is your answer to miscegenation ?
I hardly believe in a law against this.

[Anthropos]

Marry a nice girl and have as many babies as possible.

[anonymaus]

So, what is your answer to miscegenation ?
I hardly believe in a law against this.


Marry a nice girl and have as many babies as possible.

:thumbs up

I add to this bring all rational arguments to bear in discussing the issue with people, while making sure to uphold the same values myself.

[Brännvin]

It is too. Race-mixing propaganda, though tactless as it is, does not force anyone to mix.

Race-mixing propaganda also would be a form of genocide, subtly but it is still.



Sterilisation terminates an essential faculty of the human being.

But leaving them procreate, would it not pollute locally the genespool?

[Brännvin]

Marry a nice girl and have as many babies as possible.

True, in parts. However, not in the form of individualistic and relativistic society where we actually live this would solve the complex issue as a whole.

[anonymaus]

True, in parts. However, not in the form of individualistic and relativistic society where we actually live this would solve the complex issue as a whole.

Not to derail the thread too much, but a rational individualistic society would not be relativistic and, since the arguments against race-mixing are themselves rational and largely scientifically supported, such a society would also not be pro-miscegenation.

I'm no more interested in making mixed race babies than I am being part of some atavistic tribal mentality.

[Anthropos]

I don't negotiate with positions that include sterilisation as a means of 'preservation', nor with thinking about human beings in terms of 'pollution'.

[Brännvin]

Not to derail the thread too much, but a rational individualistic society would not be relativistic and, since the arguments against race-mixing are themselves rational and largely scientifically supported, such a society would also not be pro-miscegenation.

Individualism requires relativism as a support for their existence. True, arguments against race-mixing are themselves rational and largely scientifically supported however little publicized as sometimes ignored by the mainstream.



I'm no more interested in making mixed race babies than I am being part of some atavistic tribal mentality.

Good for you, I respect your opinion I hope that as a democrat you respect the mine too.

[anonymaus]

Individualism requires relativism as a support for their existence. True, arguments against race-mixing are themselves rational and largely scientifically supported however little publicized as sometimes ignored by the mainstream.

Some fairly influential minds have begged to differ, is my point; you can't say it as an absolute because there is a significant body of contradictory thought (http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=media_new).


Good for you, I respect your opinion I hope that as a democrat you respect the mine too.

You know that I do! More to the point is people who would ban interpersonal behaviours (like race-mixing) are not likely to hold back on banning the concomitant ideas--and this is what concerns me about top-down control of people.

[Brännvin]

Well, we were talking about immigration in Sweden and its consequences for the future of ethnic Swedes, it is not very off topic there :rolleyes:.

[Absinthe]

You're a lousy moderator, E.S. :p What is usually done with off/topics is that they're split to another thread.

The way you've butchered this one, it looks ugly and makes me wanna click elsewhere ;)

[Östsvensk]

Well, we were talking about immigration in Sweden and its consequences for the future of ethnic Swedes, it is not very off topic there :rolleyes:.

The topic is what to do with mixed-race individuals, and not only in Sweden but in other white countries too. Besides, mixed people are most often born in the European countries they live in, which sometimes doesn't make them immigrants (at least not in Sweden, since you have to have both parents born abroad to be count as a second generation immigrant.

[Anthropos]

Absinthe has a point I guess. :wink

No cause for drama though...

[Brännvin]

The topic is what to do with mixed-race individuals, and not only in Sweden but in other white countries too.

Obvious



Besides, mixed people are most often born in the European countries they live in, which sometimes doesn't make them immigrants (at least not in Sweden, since you have to have both parents born abroad to be count as a second generation immigrant.

Man, that was in the question too. :rolleyes:

We already live in a decadent individualistic and relativistic society, of course, non-north european immigration will lead the mongrelization of Swedish genespool. I do not see how the deleted posts were so off topic.

[Östsvensk]

You're a lousy moderator, E.S. :p What is usually done with off/topics is that they're split to another thread.

The way you've butchered this one, it looks ugly and makes me wanna click elsewhere ;)

Alright, some of the posts were moved here (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10667). Happy now? :p

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[Absinthe]

Alright, some of the posts were moved here (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10667). Happy now? :p

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Tack så mycket :D Now I won't have the feeling I missed whole episodes :p

[Anthropos]

Okay, this subforum is set to solving all the questions regarding miscegenation very systematically. :p Sorry for this intermission, just go on discussing... (Maybe I shouldn't have complained minded the off-topic in the first place.)

[Brännvin]

Östsvensk doesn't need to be necessary so rigid with different questions and some light off-topics, but only with trolls and some clowns..

[SwordoftheVistula]

Maybe the best option is to give them their choice between deportation or sterilization? If they want to stay in the country so bad, they can get sterilized. If they want children so bad, they can go elsewhere.


Deportation seems useless for mixed race/ancestry children since they don't belong fully nowhere.
Don't think that all of the Africans, for example, would greet mulattos and accept them.

We have a saying, "you don't have to go home, but you can't stay here"

Some places like Congo may not care, also some countries like Dominican Republic and Brazil have large mulatto populations.



Sterilisation terminates an essential faculty of the human being.

Not at all, people can survive just fine while being sterilized. Many people do it voluntarily, either permanently (vascectomy) or temporarily (birth control)



We don't have to sterilise people in order to survive.

In the long run, you have to keep other races out of your living space to survive, especially in a democracy/republic where they can outvote you, and especially dealing with races which tend to have more children and accept lower standards of living (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R/K_selection_theory).

[asulf]

Concern for their well being, I would strongly urge the bronze return home under their date palm.
The climate is too cold here, and a course of adaptation for survival in the mountains ..... they would be fatal

[Anthropos]

Not at all, people can survive just fine while being sterilized. Many people do it voluntarily, either permanently (vascectomy) or temporarily (birth control)Yes, it is essential. Survival goes beyond individual survival.

Voluntary sterilisation need not be discussed. I didn't name the thread, but the question is 'What would you want to do with mixed individuals?', not 'What would mixed individuals want to do?'



In the long run, you have to keep other races out of your living space to survive, especially in a democracy/republic where they can outvote you, and especially dealing with races which tend to have more children and accept lower standards of living (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R/K_selection_theory).

I am against democracy, but that's not the main point.

And it is not like our genes prevent us from having more children:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9817

[Brännvin]

Some places like Congo may not care, also some countries like Dominican Republic and Brazil have large mulatto populations.


Good point, countries such as Brazil, Cuba, has large if not a majority of population being composed of mulattoes and others type of mongrels, they should be deported or encouraged to migrate to those places to those places as an alternative, case if they do not accept the voluntary sterilization.

[Brännvin]

Yes, it is essential. Survival goes beyond individual survival.


You live in a country with the highest rate of abortions per ca-pita in the world, with mainstream politicians arguing constantly to favor of the existence of such genocide in the national parliament.

So I see no objection moral or whatever mean against the my argument in the entire thread. The society and the values are extremely themselves contradictory, if not, hypocritical.

[asulf]

The problem is the very model of our societies. we leave a window opening and inevitably they s engulfing those we grow and multiply, and the cake so good ...
we need the Swiss model, no permanent residence in our land ... it's simply a matter of will!
Make our land and our people less attractive to encourage the preservation of our genes, our history, our European cultures, and close the door;
Let them do what they want with them!

For those who do not maintain full awareness of the state of affairs .... outside!

[asulf]

the problem of miscegenation should be treated with root.
Is the only way to cut short the cross-breeding, past (it can still be treated), present and future without.

[Treffie]

Good point, countries such as Brazil, Cuba, has large if not a majority of population being composed of mulattoes and others type of mongrels, they should be deported or encouraged to migrate to those places to those places as an alternative, .

Wow, that's a fantastic idea. So that they can become experts in the Lambada and Salsa? :confused:

[Brännvin]

Wow, that's a fantastic idea. So that they can become experts in the Lambada and Salsa? :confused:

And?

What is your objection? I said, hypothetically, as one of the solutions.


PS: Have an opinion in relation to the topic? Then put it, will be interesting to read. :thumb001:

[Poltergeist]

What would you want to do with individuals of mixed heritage?

Nothing.

[Treffie]

And?

What is your objection? I said, hypothetically, as one of the solutions.


PS: Have an opinion in relation to the topic? Then put it, will be interesting to read. :thumb001:

Hypothetically - never mind, Plotinus just answered for me. ;)

[Brännvin]

Hypothetically - never mind, Plotinus just answered for me. ;)

Thanks. :)

[Anthropos]

You live in a country with the highest rate of abortions per ca-pita in the world, with mainstream politicians arguing constantly to favor of the existence of such genocide in the national parliament.

So I see no objection moral or whatever mean against the my argument in the entire thread. The society and the values are extremely themselves contradictory, if not, hypocritical.

So you think that because the Swedish government condones something, it is morally good? Or because it is hypocritical that anything whatever is morally right, or just right, anyway? I thought that you were able to think for yourself, but I was mistaken. For your information, the Swedish government does not determine the possibilities of the cosmos! Where I live has absolutely nothing to do with the question either, this again for your information.

[Brännvin]

So you think that because the Swedish government condones something, it is morally good? Or because it is hypocritical that anything whatever is morally right, or just right, anyway? I thought that you were able to think for yourself, but I was mistaken. For your information, the Swedish government does not determine the possibilities of the cosmos! Where I live has absolutely nothing to do with the question either, this again for your information.


No, I just did to argue that moral values are full of contradictions and depending on the age where we live. Abortions are routine in Sweden, how many lives are ended each year? Case of lives totally destroyed, not partially.

Fifty years ago abortions were banned, while sterilizations were practiced just check the moral contradiction in just five decades. Nobody knows what will be the dominant moral value on next fifty years. Then I see no moral objection to not defend the my argument.

[Anthropos]

No, I just did to argue that moral values are full of contradictions and depending on the age where we live. Abortions are routine in Sweden, how many lives are ended each year? Case of lives totally destroyed, not partially.

Fifty years ago abortions were banned, while sterilizations were practiced just check the moral contradiction in just five decades. Nobody knows what will be the dominant moral value on next fifty years. Then I see no moral objection to not defend the my argument.

Yeah, but guess what..... you can not hold me responsible for any of that. In other words: Goddag, yxskaft!

[Beorn]

What would you want to do with individuals of mixed heritage?

Ask them if they were Jewish, as we don't want no fecking Kykes round these parts.

If they passed that difficult test, then I'd welcome them with open arms as fellow warriors.

[Tom Cat]

Personally, I'd like to subject all those with mixed blood to an irreversible sterilization procedure to prevent them from continuing to contaminate the gene pool.

[Vasconcelos]

It's funny because as an American you have mixed heritage yourself! (even if European)


I'd just ship them all to the American Continent, they'd feel at home there.
Ah ah ah!.. :rofl:


no offense

[Tom Cat]

It's funny because as an American you have mixed heritage yourself! (even if European)


I'd just ship them all to the American Continent, they'd feel at home there.
Ah ah ah!.. :rofl:


no offense

None taken. ;)

To me, miscegenation only involves interracial procreation, and doesn't include the progeny produced by members of various White ethnic groups.

To me, White is White. :)

[Norbert]

I personally feel they should stay within their non-White culturo-racial group, and they most often do.

[Argyll]

They need to be exiled from any white own place.