Nevsky Express Terror Attack

[anonymaus]

Unless I missed it, we don't have a thread yet for this.


Deadly train derailment caused by seven kilos of TNT

A homemade bomb is responsible for Friday’s deadly train crash, according to Russian Security chief Aleksandr Bortnikov.


http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46819000/jpg/_46819259_008341782-1.jpg

“Preliminary evidence suggests that it was an explosion of a homemade device, equivalent of seven kilograms of TNT,” said Russian Federal Security Service chief Aleksandr Bortnikov.

“We have found a 1.5-by-1-meter hole at the train crash site, and also the remains of an unidentified explosive,” said Vladimir Markin of the Russian Prosecutor’s Office Investigative Committee.

Markin added that the accident is almost certainly an act of terror.

Meanwhile, the head of the Russian Interior Ministry Rashid Nurgaliev announced that several people are suspected to be involved in the blast. The official noted that traces at the crime scene could help in the investigation.

source (http://rt.com/Top_News/2009-11-28/train-derail-bomb-fsb.html?fullstory)

FNC Video coverage (http://bit.ly/7nVE20)

RT Video coverage (http://rt.com/Top_News/2009-11-28/train-derail-bomb-fsb.html?fullstory)(has more internal detail)

For anyone who doesn't know, or has a short memory, this isn't the first time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_rail_accidents#2007) this rail line has been attacked.

[anonymaus]

Speaking of derailment: I suppose our resident Russophobes will gleefully suggest that Russia brought this on herself? Warmongering aggressor and blah blah?

[Karl]

I'm wondering who did the terror attack, the most logical conclusion would be the Chechens.

This terror attack reminds me of the incident in 2007, when a train heading from Moscow to St. Petersburg was derailed by a bomb. Some Russians(media and a few nutters from the duma) blamed Estonians.

This competition was done at the same time, thus some Russians thought that a group of Estonian soldiers "infiltrated" Russia and derailed a train.


The Erna Raid (Estonian: Erna retk) is an annual international military exercise and competition, one of the longest and most difficult in the world, held every August since 1995 in Estonia. It is organised by the Erna Society and commemorates the actions of the long-range recce group Erna in the summer of 1941.

Terror attacks like that are quite sad.

[Sol Invictus]

Was CIA probably.

(Like always)

[RoyBatty]

I've travelled on that line in the past. The most likely perpetrators are the Chechen "freedom fighting" best friends of the West's political elites.

Here is a useful partial list of US supporters of Chechen terrorism. The usual US Govt funded terror front organisations like the NED (National Endowment for "Democracy") and "Freedom House" are well represented.

PS: Spot all the Jewish-American friends of Chechnya. So many of them with such a deep love for radical Islam. Ask yourself why.......



ACPC's board of directors is cochaired by Zbigniew Brzezinski, Alexander M. Haig, Jr., Steven J. Solarz, and Max Kampelman; and the committee's more than one hundred members reflect a wide range of political tendencies, including such figures as Richard Gere, Morton Ambramowitz, and Geraldine Ferraro. On its membership rolls are many high-profile neoconservatives, including Richard Perle, Frank Gaffney, Elliott Abrams, Midge Decter, William Kristol, Michael Ledeen, and James Woolsey. (5)




Individuals

Elliott Abrams, member
Ken Adelman, member
Richard V. Allen, member
Eliot Cohen, member
Midge Decter, member
Thomas R. Donahue, member
Frank Gaffney, member
Bruce Jackson, member
Robert Kagan, member
Max Kampelman, co-chair emeritus
William Kristol, member
Michael Ledeen, member
Joshua Muravchik, member
Richard Perle, member
Richard Pipes, member
Norman Podhoretz, member
Gary Schmitt, member
William Schneider, member
George Weigel, member
James Woolsey, member


http://www.rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/American_Committee_for_Peace_in_Chechnya

It's always interesting to note how many of these individuals support terror in countries which they are attempting to subvert yet how they complain when it is supposedly directed against their own interests.

[RoyBatty]

Some Russians(media and a few nutters from the duma) blamed Estonians.

This competition was done at the same time, thus some Russians thought that a group of Estonian soldiers "infiltrated" Russia and derailed a train.


Only clowns and idiots would blame Estonia. (Yes, even Russia has a few crazies).

It's usually Chechens or neighbouring groups from the Caucasus supported by the US Govt (+ various "think-tanks", NGO's etc) and elements inside the EU (and I don't mean the Baltics) who are responsible.

[Sol Invictus]

Bang on Roy.

We'll see evide - um.. I mean "conspiracy theories" about all this soon enough.

[Thulsa Doom]

Was CIA probably.

(Like always)

More likely FSB.

[RoyBatty]

More likely FSB.

It doesn't make sense. Why would they? What would the motive be?

The current Russian Govt is fairly well supported throughout the country despite the numerous problems with internal corruption, crime, terrorism, the financial crisis and so forth.

Unlike certain other countries they don't need to engineer enemies or problems in order to drum up public support.

[Thulsa Doom]

It doesn't make sense. Why would they? What would the motive be?

The current Russian Govt is fairly well supported throughout the country despite the numerous problems with internal corruption, crime, terrorism, the financial crisis and so forth.

Unlike certain other countries they don't need to engineer enemies or problems in order to drum up public support.

Wasn´t FSB rumored to be involved in something similar back in 99? The apartment bombings in Moscow. Maybe there is some new offensive on the way in Caucasus.

[National_Nord]

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Salute comrades in the struggle! "Our statement is only a symbol of our military independent cell combat18 (hereinafter C18) in the city on the Neva. We abstract from the official center in Moscow (Blood and Honor / C18 Moscow), and budim conduct independent combat operations in the occupied territories Ingermanlandija. Formalities us to nothing. No compromises, legal ways, the white flags. RaHoWa is not a fat ass in the study of political prostitutes. C18 is a terrorist group of white guys, which originally dealt with street violence and terror against the enemies of the white race. Not protected music concerts (which occurred later), not by selling CDs and spinning music RAC bands, but only radical action. We Europeans will decide the course of history, or rotate it to sleep. Killings Red pigs at an early stage, our first task. Let's start with a small finish great. Heart to Solntsu.Takzhe we take responsibility for laying IEDs (news.nswap.info /? P = 25420) in one of the train Piterskoj subway.



It was a real explosive devices, and not a dummy! Addressing the media, and the bandits in blue collar, to show that we do not lie, to say that the swastika was painted on the package but not at the UW (left and right of the timer) and was not found at the station "Parnas". Be vigilant puppets Jew bitch Matvienko, the bomb, which is to your happiness has not worked, not the last. Heil C18!

We fully agree with the principles and rules of the Code of nationalist and would like to express its opinion on the comments with regards to the activities Demushkina Bourn.
http://news.nswap.info/?p=25699 # more-25699
Such a "real" and "important" people like Dmitry did not have the right to give any comments and interviews with regards to combat and autonomous resistance. Since he did not comply with the Code of the National Assembly (which was holding the many organizations), but is simply not RUSSIAN nationalist. We would like to warn the leader of the SS (a real organization engaged in "virtual" activity) continue not to give any assessment of what our (and the entire revolutionary) activities unsupported by facts and sensible arguments.

Otherwise, we move from words to deeds. Because our enemies are not only representatives of the system and leftists, but also agents of the fifth column.

[Whiteruthenian]

Putin system has opened the way to more terrorist acts, Latynina says
30 Nov 2009 Paul Goble

VIENNA, November 29 – The collapse of the Russian state as a result of Vladimir Putin’s actions “has reached such a level that it is no more difficult to commit a terrorist action than for a militiaman to shoot people in a supermarket. And [in Russia] militiamen do just that,” Russian commentator Yulia Latynina said on Ekho Moskvy last night.

But the most terrible thing about the terrorist attack on the Nevsky Express train, she continued in the course of her “Access Code” program, is “the sense that this is only the beginning,” that in today’s Russia, murders are increasing in number so quickly that they are no longer news but a statistic ( http://www.echo.msk.ru/programs/code/637466-echo.phtml ).

At present, as Latynina noted, speculation in the Russian media concerning the groups responsible has focused on Islamist extremists – which Moscow tends to lump under the rubric “Wahhabis” – and on Russian nationalist extremists, either organized by the state itself or independent.

With regard to the first possibility, the Moscow commentator pointed out, her studies of the 1999 explosions which triggered the second post-Soviet Chechen war suggest that what is most striking is “not why [those actions] were committed, but why they stopped at a particular moment.”

That is because at that time certainly and at this time possibly, she suggested, the degree to which those inclined to commit acts of terrorism felt themselves to be exempt from possible punishment by the state had “already gone beyond all imaginable limits,” as shown by the manner in which some terrorists from the earlier period felt free to live openly afterwards.

Indeed, Latynina argued, the only reason such individuals appear to have stopped in the past was out of fear that they would be punished, by Chechnya’s Ramzan Kadyrov if no one else, because it came clear to them that as a result of his rule, “it would be far more difficult for them” to commit such acts in Chechnya “and in Moscow much easier. Simply physically easier.”

With regard to the second possibility – that radical Russian nationalist elements bear responsibility – the situation is more complicated and possibly more threatening. Such people have beliefs “quite close to the ideologues of the Kremlin” but, having been armed, start to believe that they are more than “pawns” of “’administered nationalism.’”
Such “administered nationalism” as the tsarist experience with what is known as the “Azefovshchina” show, often represents “a monster” which is all the more difficult to control precisely because the powers that be have been involved in its creation and financing but lack the ability to control it or to prevent it from killing members of elite itself.

But regardless of which of these groups is to blame for the Nevsky Express action, Latynina argued, there is one thing which “unites these versions: an absolute sense” on the part of those who committed them that they will not be punished, evidence of what she describes as “the complete collapse of the state” as an effective agency.

Thus, she continued, “the Putin system” has entered a most dangerous period. After ignoring the law in the Yukos case and that failing to punish the obviously guilty in many cases, Russia now is a country, Latynina said, in which “everything is possible,” including the commission of crimes by those certain they will not be punished.

Perhaps most indicative of just how far things have gone in the wrong direction, the Moscow commentator suggested, was the recent statement by Interior Minister Rashid Nurgaliyev that Russian citizens now have the right to use force to resist illegal actions by the militia, a statement she said can be explained only if Nurgaliyev is now “a secret Wahhabi.”

“Unfortunately,” Latynina added, “Nurgaliyev must be told that until shariat law is introduced in Russia in place of the criminal law, resisting a militiaman is a crime under Article 318 of the Criminal Code.” Citizens do not have such a right in a country with a functioning government, she noted. Even more unfortunately, Russia does not fall into that category.

SOURCE (http://www.eesti.ca/printarticle.php?id=26242)

[RoyBatty]

Wasn´t FSB rumored to be involved in something similar back in 99? The apartment bombings in Moscow. Maybe there is some new offensive on the way in Caucasus.

Sure, those rumours abounded but the most likely sources of those rumours are Jews, Liberals and their collaborators. In other words, the same people who told us to:

- "Panic about Climate Change",
- "How Iraq was a threat to Western Civilisation and the USA and UK were forced to attack it to save us all",
- "How Iran is about to start the next Middle Eastern War",
- "Russia started the war against Georgia"
- "Gary Kasparov stands for freedom and democracy in Russia"
- "Mikhail Khodorkovsky is loved by the Russian people"

etc etc etc. They feed a never ending stream of similar lies into the mainstream news to brainwash us.

It's best to check the sources and usually these stories can be traced back to the same media sources with the same owners and the same political connections.

[anonymaus]

- "Gary Kasparov stands for freedom and democracy in Russia"

This isn't propaganda, surely; it must be a joke :D :dielaughing:

[DeusEx]

I doubt about Gary Kasparov democracy, he shoud stayed play chess instead ))