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Kurt
01-26-2014, 12:36 AM
I'll tell you why.
Noticed that I didn't ask whether they're morally superior or not? Because undoubtedly they're superbly superior to all others. They travel through separate crystal clean dimension highways than the rest of the dirty world. Generally speaking that is.

Nowhere in history of Islam have these Islamic warriors committed masses rapes or even single rapes.

Now if we look at Christian Serbs there's concrete proof they have committed hundreds of thousands of rapes.
Ok you say they did it to Muslim women..
Now let's look at Russians entering Berlin, they committed millions and millions of rapes.

You need more proof?
Americans in Vietnam have committed tens of thousands of rapes.

You need more proof?
India, the world largest democracy known as a anti-Islamic country as well..
Today India is making headlines for a woman walking by herself in the street will risk getting gang banged raped by at least 100 Indian men on broad daylight.

One American girl journalist was held captive by al-Qaeda and she published a best selling book describing how gentlemanly she was treated by these terrorists.

So the moral of this is that even the worst of the worst of Muslims are still morally superior.
And I think portraying Muslims as these monsters that hate and abuse women is just another crime by immoral propagandists.

Chaya
01-26-2014, 12:42 AM
I'll tell you why.
Noticed that I didn't ask whether they're morally superior or not? Because undoubtedly they're superbly superior to all others. They travel through separate crystal clean dimension highways than the rest of the dirty world. Generally speaking that is.

Nowhere in history of Islam have these Islamic warriors committed masses rapes or even single rapes.

Now if we look at Christian Serbs there's concrete proof they have committed hundreds of thousands of rapes.
Ok you say they did it to Muslim women..
Now let's look at Russians entering Berlin, they committed millions and millions of rapes.

You need more proof?
Americans in Vietnam have committed tens of thousands of rapes.

You need more proof?
India, the world largest democracy known as a anti-Islamic country as well..
Today India is making headlines for a woman walking by herself in the street will risk getting gang banged raped by at least 100 Indian men on broad daylight.

One American girl journalist was held captive by al-Qaeda and she published a best selling book describing how gentlemanly she was treated by these terrorists.

So the moral of this is that even the worst of the worst of Muslims are still morally superior.
And I think portraying Muslims as these monsters that hate and abuse women is just another crime by immoral propagandists.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5B3Zngms8c8

Loki
01-26-2014, 12:44 AM
They definitely are not morally superior. I suppose it depends what you mean by morality. The way they treat women is disgusting.

DeaththeKid
01-26-2014, 12:46 AM
One could argue that the average Muslim follows their religion better then the average Christian.

Chaya
01-26-2014, 12:46 AM
The way they treat women is disgusting.

????????

Proctor
01-26-2014, 12:48 AM
I'll tell you why.
Noticed that I didn't ask whether they're morally superior or not? Because undoubtedly they're superbly superior to all others. They travel through separate crystal clean dimension highways than the rest of the dirty world. Generally speaking that is.

Nowhere in history of Islam have these Islamic warriors committed masses rapes or even single rapes.

Now if we look at Christian Serbs there's concrete proof they have committed hundreds of thousands of rapes.
Ok you say they did it to Muslim women..
Now let's look at Russians entering Berlin, they committed millions and millions of rapes.

You need more proof?
Americans in Vietnam have committed tens of thousands of rapes.

You need more proof?
India, the world largest democracy known as a anti-Islamic country as well..
Today India is making headlines for a woman walking by herself in the street will risk getting gang banged raped by at least 100 Indian men on broad daylight.

One American girl journalist was held captive by al-Qaeda and she published a best selling book describing how gentlemanly she was treated by these terrorists.

So the moral of this is that even the worst of the worst of Muslims are still morally superior.
And I think portraying Muslims as these monsters that hate and abuse women is just another crime by immoral propagandists.

And how many others were raped, beheaded and killed? Many. One of the most gruesome beheadings I've seen was done on an American journalist by an Islamic terrorist group.

arcticwolf
01-26-2014, 12:51 AM
LOL


You sound like a broken record lately and make Albanians look bad. WTF happened to you dude? :laugh:

Raine
01-26-2014, 01:09 AM
I'll tell you why.
Noticed that I didn't ask whether they're morally superior or not? Because undoubtedly they're superbly superior to all others. They travel through separate crystal clean dimension highways than the rest of the dirty world. Generally speaking that is.

Nowhere in history of Islam have these Islamic warriors committed masses rapes or even single rapes.

Now if we look at Christian Serbs there's concrete proof they have committed hundreds of thousands of rapes.
Ok you say they did it to Muslim women..
Now let's look at Russians entering Berlin, they committed millions and millions of rapes.

You need more proof?
Americans in Vietnam have committed tens of thousands of rapes.

You need more proof?
India, the world largest democracy known as a anti-Islamic country as well..
Today India is making headlines for a woman walking by herself in the street will risk getting gang banged raped by at least 100 Indian men on broad daylight.

One American girl journalist was held captive by al-Qaeda and she published a best selling book describing how gentlemanly she was treated by these terrorists.

So the moral of this is that even the worst of the worst of Muslims are still morally superior.
And I think portraying Muslims as these monsters that hate and abuse women is just another crime by immoral propagandists.

:picard1:

"Nowhere in history of Islam have these Islamic warriors committed masses rapes or even single rapes."

LMAO! Islamic history is full of mass rapes and murder.

Islam says that if a women becomes captive in a war, her Muslim master is allowed to rape her.

Muhammad himself enslaved and raped women and then ordered muslims to follow his example "for all eternity".

A Pakistani Mullah gave a fatwa that it is okay for Pakistani soldiers to rape the Bangali women when the former attacked Bangladesh in 1971. 250,000 Bangali women were thus raped and 3,000,000 Bangalis mostly the educated class were massacred.

This very time Syrian women are being raped because islamic scholars issie fatwas that say it is in accordance with the example of Muhammad.

According to reports in the Arab media, the two women were gang raped in accordance with a fatwa [Islamic religious decree] issued by Jordanian Salafi Sheikh Yasser Ajlouni.

Ajlouni's fatwa allows the jihadis to have sexual intercourse with women who fall captive during war, as seen in this YouTube video, in which Ajlouni states:

My fatwa, which will be issued soon, relates to the Alawite or Druze communities, those who are in Syria, my country where I lived for 17 years.

This fatwa is about milk al-yamin [a reference to sex slaves. Literally translated, it means: That which your right hand possesses]. The propose of the milk al-yamin is to be protect the honor of the women. A women who comes under the rule of milk al-yamin will enjoy the security and protection of he who takes her captive, those from the Free Syrian Army. How to deal with the women who are taken captive by the Free Syrian Army or the mujahideen. In Islam there is a legal rule when a war erupts between the Muslims and their enemies. Those who are fighting in Syria are from the Alawite sect. When the Free Syrian Army captures them, they will be subjected to sharia rules. These sharia rules include the so-called milk al-yamin. These require sharia rules and Islam has defined them.

Melonhead
01-26-2014, 01:10 AM
I'll tell you why.
Noticed that I didn't ask whether they're morally superior or not? Because undoubtedly they're superbly superior to all others. They travel through separate crystal clean dimension highways than the rest of the dirty world. Generally speaking that is.

Nowhere in history of Islam have these Islamic warriors committed masses rapes or even single rapes.

Now if we look at Christian Serbs there's concrete proof they have committed hundreds of thousands of rapes.
Ok you say they did it to Muslim women..
Now let's look at Russians entering Berlin, they committed millions and millions of rapes.

You need more proof?
Americans in Vietnam have committed tens of thousands of rapes.

You need more proof?
India, the world largest democracy known as a anti-Islamic country as well..
Today India is making headlines for a woman walking by herself in the street will risk getting gang banged raped by at least 100 Indian men on broad daylight.

One American girl journalist was held captive by al-Qaeda and she published a best selling book describing how gentlemanly she was treated by these terrorists.

So the moral of this is that even the worst of the worst of Muslims are still morally superior.
And I think portraying Muslims as these monsters that hate and abuse women is just another crime by immoral propagandists.

When you realize man-rape counts this all falls apart, and I am not joking in the least.

Kurt
01-26-2014, 01:10 AM
LOL


You sound like a broken record lately and make Albanians look bad. WTF happened to you dude? :laugh:

Excuse me??
I'm tackling world issues now, I've moved on from the wars of ethnicities since has been clearly established and accepted by everyone that Albanians are the supreme cream of the crop of all the ethnicities in the world. It's a subject that need not be discussed anymore.

callmyname
01-26-2014, 01:13 AM
Qka je tu ba more ? :)

Raine
01-26-2014, 01:16 AM
" During the nine month long Bangladesh war for independence, members of the Pakistani military and supporting militias killed approximately 3 million people,[5] and raped between two- and four hundred thousand Bangladeshi women in a systematic campaign"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Bangladesh_Genocide

3 million Bangladeshi Martyred & Raped- by pakistani army 1971
http://www.flickr.com/photos/57806841@N05/7798909942/

Wadaad
01-26-2014, 01:19 AM
One could argue that the average Muslim follows their religion better then the average Christian.

One could argue that Christianity as practiced by the majority of its followers, is just a de-fanged, empty veneer of the real Christianity. The real christianity succumbed long ago to mutiliation and defang-ing of its teeth.

arcticwolf
01-26-2014, 01:20 AM
Excuse me??
I'm tackling world issues now, I've moved on from the wars of ethnicities since has been clearly established and accepted by everyone that Albanians are the supreme cream of the crop of all the ethnicities in the world. It's a subject that need not be discussed anymore.


LOL
For a moment there I thought you were serious. My bad. Keep on keeping on. :laugh:

Kurt
01-26-2014, 01:21 AM
When you realize man-rape counts this all falls apart, and I am not joking in the least.

?!?!

Chaya
01-26-2014, 01:23 AM
:picard1:

"Nowhere in history of Islam have these Islamic warriors committed masses rapes or even single rapes."

LMAO! Islamic history is full of mass rapes and murder.

Islam says that if a women becomes captive in a war, her Muslim master is allowed to rape her.

Muhammad himself enslaved and raped women and then ordered muslims to follow his example "for all eternity". .


Sources?


A Pakistani Mullah gave a fatwa that it is okay for Pakistani soldiers to rape the Bangali women when the former attacked Bangladesh in 1971. 250,000 Bangali women were thus raped and 3,000,000 Bangalis mostly the educated class were massacred..


the Pakistani government anti-islam


This very time Syrian women are being raped because islamic scholars issie fatwas that say it is in accordance with the example of Muhammad.

According to reports in the Arab media, the two women were gang raped in accordance with a fatwa [Islamic religious decree] issued by Jordanian Salafi Sheikh Yasser Ajlouni.

Ajlouni's fatwa allows the jihadis to have sexual intercourse with women who fall captive during war, as seen in this YouTube video, in which Ajlouni states:

My fatwa, which will be issued soon, relates to the Alawite or Druze communities, those who are in Syria, my country where I lived for 17 years..


ajlouni??????I do not know him

Jim Crow
01-26-2014, 01:27 AM
I'll tell you why.
Noticed that I didn't ask whether they're morally superior or not? Because undoubtedly they're superbly superior to all others. They travel through separate crystal clean dimension highways than the rest of the dirty world. Generally speaking that is.

Nowhere in history of Islam have these Islamic warriors committed masses rapes or even single rapes.

Now if we look at Christian Serbs there's concrete proof they have committed hundreds of thousands of rapes.
Ok you say they did it to Muslim women..
Now let's look at Russians entering Berlin, they committed millions and millions of rapes.

You need more proof?
Americans in Vietnam have committed tens of thousands of rapes.

You need more proof?
India, the world largest democracy known as a anti-Islamic country as well..
Today India is making headlines for a woman walking by herself in the street will risk getting gang banged raped by at least 100 Indian men on broad daylight.

One American girl journalist was held captive by al-Qaeda and she published a best selling book describing how gentlemanly she was treated by these terrorists.

So the moral of this is that even the worst of the worst of Muslims are still morally superior.
And I think portraying Muslims as these monsters that hate and abuse women is just another crime by immoral propagandists.

Americasnt a Christian contry persay its secular. Now there is no difference between Muslims and Christians. Infact I recall recently an Imam condoning the rape of non Sunni women in the middle east. Now if that's good then there is a flaw with your 'morally superior religion'. Christians do not have 'fatwas condoning them to rape women or kill children because they are different. Nice try though. I think pagans are cooler but that is just me.

Jim Crow
01-26-2014, 01:28 AM
Sources?




the Pakistani government anti-islam




ajlouni??????I do not know him

The Pakistan government is Muslim. Judging by your logic America is a Christian country because Christians mostly live in it. LOL stupid Afghan :p

Uhtred
01-26-2014, 01:33 AM
Some are not, I think that "blow up that Honda for Allah" is a good moral code, but fortunately those are a minority.

Jim Crow
01-26-2014, 01:34 AM
One could argue that Christianity as practiced by the majority of its followers, is just a de-fanged, empty veneer of the real Christianity. The real christianity succumbed long ago to mutiliation and defang-ing of its teeth.

I think Georgians and Armenians are the most Christian places as they are very religious. More so than western European countries. Amish people in America are the most Christian and live extreme life styles but are non violent pacifists. They think television and radios are devil worship for example and reject electricity in their homes.

http://jeremyscheuer.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/amish_country2.jpg

They are the most hardcore Christians out there. Their live style is not very appealing to many though as it is 'backwards' as liberals would say.

Jim Crow
01-26-2014, 01:36 AM
Excuse me??
I'm tackling world issues now, I've moved on from the wars of ethnicities since has been clearly established and accepted by everyone that Albanians are the supreme cream of the crop of all the ethnicities in the world. It's a subject that need not be discussed anymore.

LOL :picard1: Kurt you are disillusioned.

Chaya
01-26-2014, 01:37 AM
The Pakistan government is Muslim. Judging by your logic America is a Christian country because Christians mostly live in it. LOL stupid Afghan :p

You need to educate yourself, lol american stupid :tongue
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x19bb2o_demonstration-to-stop-pakistan-army-killing-muslims-in-waziristan-27-12-13_news#from=embediframe

Raine
01-26-2014, 01:40 AM
Nowhere in history of Islam have these Islamic warriors committed masses rapes or even single rapes.

Now if we look at Christian Serbs there's concrete proof they have committed hundreds of thousands of rapes.
Ok you say they did it to Muslim women..
Now let's look at Russians entering Berlin, they committed millions and millions of rapes.

You need more proof?
Americans in Vietnam have committed tens of thousands of rapes.

Those attrocities were not commited in the name of Christianity. What has christianity to do with the actions of Red army soldiers? christians used to be persecuted in the Soviet Union. Did Jesus rape anyone? well Muhammad did. In Islamic countries you have mufties issuing fatwas saying it is ok to rape captive women and murder unbelievers because that would be n accordance with the example of the Muhammad.

In the past all nations have committed atrocities and crimes. Muslims became victims but also they were the major victimizers. Read the history of the conquests of Islam. In India alone the Muslims murdered millions and enslaved millions.

Look around yourself TODAY. Today the Muslims are the main perpetrators of crimes everywhere. All news of terrorism is from Islamic fronts. All the other nations have learned to leave aside their religious bigotry, have embraced humanism and secularism except Muslims who decline to part form the 7th century mindset.

All other religions, despite their bloody past are now only concerned with personal piety and spiritual development of their followers. Some of them also get involved in works of charity like Salvation Army, Habitat for Humanity, etc. But Muslims are the only group that still thinks of Jihad, and expansion of their religion through violent means. Muslims are the only group that believes their god has given them the mission to kill those who reject him. Muslims are the only group that still endeavors to impose the antiquated misogynistic laws of their “holy” book. And Muslims are the only group that has not apologized for the crimes of their past and keeps committing those crimes even today.

Jim Crow
01-26-2014, 01:42 AM
You need to educate yourself, lol american stupid :tongue
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x19bb2o_demonstration-to-stop-pakistan-army-killing-muslims-in-waziristan-27-12-13_news#from=embediframe

that's tribal fighting so what? I am not fond of the Pakistan government lying to us after they say we are friends....they are good liars. Tribal fighting is the same in the east as it is in the west. Whats new?

That region of Pakistan is Pakistan and not Afghanistan. The Talban there want to break away from Pakistan but its not their country to just move into and take so the Pakistan government says no and sends their army to fight them. So what? That's like Mexicans coming into America and living in a certain region and trying to annex it to Mexico.....no way its ours they can fuck off.....big tribal fight begins. Rory your so cute :fplug:

Chaya
01-26-2014, 01:46 AM
that's tribal fighting so what? I am not fond of the Pakistan government lying to us after they say we are friends....they are good liars.
I agree with u !

Jim Crow
01-26-2014, 01:52 AM
I agree with u !

so what does it have to do with religion? nothing. conflict between America and Mexico isn't religious but nationalistic. Just like Taliban vs Pakistan is a tribal struggle.

Jim Crow
01-26-2014, 01:56 AM
Those attrocities were not commited in the name of Christianity. What has christianity to do with the actions of Red army soldiers? christians used to be persecuted in the Soviet Union. Did Jesus rape anyone? well Muhammad did. In Islamic countries you have mufties issuing fatwas saying it is ok to rape captive women and murder unbelievers because that would be n accordance with the example of the Muhammad.

In the past all nations have committed atrocities and crimes. Muslims became victims but also they were the major victimizers. Read the history of the conquests of Islam. In India alone the Muslims murdered millions and enslaved millions.

Look around yourself TODAY. Today the Muslims are the main perpetrators of crimes everywhere. All news of terrorism is from Islamic fronts. All the other nations have learned to leave aside their religious bigotry, have embraced humanism and secularism except Muslims who decline to part form the 7th century mindset.

All other religions, despite their bloody past are now only concerned with personal piety and spiritual development of their followers. Some of them also get involved in works of charity like Salvation Army, Habitat for Humanity, etc. But Muslims are the only group that still thinks of Jihad, and expansion of their religion through violent means. Muslims are the only group that believes their god has given them the mission to kill those who reject him. Muslims are the only group that still endeavors to impose the antiquated misogynistic laws of their “holy” book. And Muslims are the only group that has not apologized for the crimes of their past and keeps committing those crimes even today.

Jihad isn't necessarily violent or suppose to be. They use it as an excuse to do what they do. From my understandings of it is that it has different meanings but not about what you see today. Most of these people over there have a brain so they let some radical Imam tell them what to do much the same as knights in crusading Christian Europe use to be brainwashed by priests and zealot monks to go to the 'holy land' and die for Christ. Its comical its comical they believe God needs them to do his work if he is so powerful. Why does he need us to do his dirty work? Send us another plague and maybe an army of undead people LOL. I mean its too funny to me the whole concept of dying for god. I can thank my education and scientific understandings :cool: most of these people must still think the world is flat.

Chaya
01-26-2014, 02:05 AM
Just like Taliban vs Pakistan is a tribal struggle.

You need to educate yourself:bored:

MINARD777
01-26-2014, 02:09 AM
How about proof that Islamic countries suck ass nowadays because Islam is retarded? Hmmm? It's true. All the Islamic countries are the worst in their regions. FACT. Try & prove me wrong. Good luck... cuz Christian countries are FAR more successful and this is not just on AVERAGE, but this is a pretty solid truth here. Find a few good muslim countries (in your imaginary world) then we can discuss this a little more.

Morals? My ass. Why are the biggest terrorist organizations not Christian and Hindu?!?! TELL ME!?!?! Cuz you are a fucking liar.

MINARD777
01-26-2014, 02:10 AM
LOL :picard1: Kurt you are disillusioned.

Obviously. All Islamic countries are KNOWN to be terrible and no one in their right mind thinks Islam is GOOD for any country or the world in general. Other religions work better for the human race in general.

They are ot "morally superior" but quite the opposite. They take away rights and they rape the world. Why are there more muslim terrorist groups than Christian and Hindu? And don't you tell me THIS fact is not true. It is. You will have a hard time digging out of this one, Kurt, you fool.

Jim Crow
01-26-2014, 02:11 AM
You need to educate yourself:bored:

I have an education so no need to go to more school. Rory you should consider going you might open your mind a bit more;)

Jim Crow
01-26-2014, 02:13 AM
Obviously. All Islamic countries are KNOWN to be terrible and no one in their right mind thinks Islam is GOOD for any country or the world in general. Other religions work better for the human race in general.

They are ot "morally superior" but quite the opposite. They take away rights and they rape the world. Why are there more muslim terrorist groups than Christian and Hindu? And don't you tell me THIS fact is not true. It is. You will have a hard time digging out of this one, Kurt, you fool.

Turks and Azeris are normal people. Kurds to me a normal despite their fighting about stuff. Its mostly brainwashed Saudis, redneck Afghans and people who live in hills who have never heard of books or the internet that are doing these things. They must watch a lot of lord of the rings and take jihad stuff to literally. Its not necessarily the religions fault its the idiots who follow it that are too blame. There are Christian terror groups by the way, in America and Africa mostly though.

Kurt
01-26-2014, 02:17 AM
They definitely are not morally superior. I suppose it depends what you mean by morality. The way they treat women is disgusting.

Yes, let's define morality in this context.
From the facts I've presented on the OP we can safely draw a bigger picture that defines morality.
Essentially, Muslims during the time of flourishing peace seem to keep a certain tighter leash on women, keeping them in check with reminders that they as a gentler sex can indeed go bad and harm themselves by losing their ways. That's perfectly fine in a conservative gentle approach as long as they don't go radically aggressive abusing women's rights.

Another words it is indeed loving and respecting women best.

It simply shows that during the time of peace Christians and all other non-muslim societies are inducing women with poison and promoting degeneracy and total confusion to them which in turn women in the west have never been more unhappy and more confused, and in the times of war and chaos they also committing mass rapes and inhumane atrocities towards women.

The opposite is happening in muslim societies, they treat women with the most gentle respect during the time of war and chaos, and keep them in check during freedom and peace. That's essentially superior in a morality ladder.

Jim Crow
01-26-2014, 02:18 AM
Obviously. All Islamic countries are KNOWN to be terrible and no one in their right mind thinks Islam is GOOD for any country or the world in general. Other religions work better for the human race in general.

They are ot "morally superior" but quite the opposite. They take away rights and they rape the world. Why are there more muslim terrorist groups than Christian and Hindu? And don't you tell me THIS fact is not true. It is. You will have a hard time digging out of this one, Kurt, you fool.

Well this stuff mostly happens in third world countries as they are very clan/tribal based cultures. To make things worse they do not value education and view it as heretical. This is why the middle east in many places are not very innovative or contribute much to humanities growth today. The burden of development is given to westerners. Its sad that the Islamic world wants that but they will wake up maybe in the next 100 years or so. Turkey is a successful country and possibly why they are the most hated Islamic country in the world [well in that part of the world]. Westerners admire Turkey today, they also get a lot of tourists from around the world and foreigners study at their universities. The same cannot be said of Iraq or Saudi Arabia. I think Iraq and Syria will change but Saudi Arabia are hanging on to some ancient glory they wish to have again but they will be left behind until they wake up and smell the coffee :cool:

Jim Crow
01-26-2014, 02:21 AM
Yes, let's define morality in this context.
From the facts I've presented on the OP we can safely draw a bigger picture that defines morality.
Essentially, Muslims during the time of flourishing peace seem to keep a certain tighter leash on women, keeping them in check with reminders that they as a gentler sex can indeed go bad and harm themselves by losing their ways. That's perfectly fine in a conservative gentle approach as long as they don't go radically aggressive abusing women's rights.

Another words it is indeed loving and respecting women best.

It simply shows that during the time of peace Christians and all other non-muslim societies are inducing women with poison and promoting degeneracy and total confusion to them which in turn women in the west have never been more unhappy and more confused, and in the times of war and chaos they also committing mass rapes and inhumane atrocities towards women.

The opposite is happening in muslim societies, they treat women with the most gentle respect during the time of war and chaos, and keep them in check during freedom and peace. That's essentially living them best.

Your wrong again. Hollywood is too blame. Please boycott it! I say that to the world its terrible what trash is produced there and blown in the wind to every corner of the globe. If rap music and feminism didn't exist then women wouldn't be sluts. However not al women are sluts or behave that way. I can count many of the girls in my town are not slutty or go around sleeping with random men. Infact most men in my town that want women to sleep with go to the cities because they are feminists there that do not respect themselves and don't care and sleep with everyone.

Most girls in my town are prudes and do not believe in sex before marriage. Christian countries like Armenia test to see if women have kept their virginity by making sure they are 'pre' as a muslim would say. they test this by placing a white sheet on their beds and if the women bleeds after sex then she is considered pure. Christians in the west have stopped this practice as women find it disrespectful. Its al about raising your children, rural areas are more religiously conservative than urban areas. This is what I have observed even in different countries.

Raine
01-26-2014, 02:26 AM
Jihad isn't necessarily violent or suppose to be. They use it as an excuse to do what they do. From my understandings of it is that it has different meanings but not about what you see today. Most of these people over there have a brain so they let some radical Imam tell them what to do much the same as knights in crusading Christian Europe use to be brainwashed by priests and zealot monks to go to the 'holy land' and die for Christ. Its comical its comical they believe God needs them to do his work if he is so powerful. Why does he need us to do his dirty work? Send us another plague and maybe an army of undead people LOL. I mean its too funny to me the whole concept of dying for god. I can thank my education and scientific understandings :cool: most of these people must still think the world is flat.

I don't agree that Jihad isn't supposed to be violent. Islamic beliefs make no sense unless you realise that Islam was designed to support a war machine. Wasn't Prophet Mohammed himself who led the first jihad against the infidels? Muslims follow the examples of Muhammad.

There are two kinds of jihad - the lower and the higher kind. The lower jihad is fought on the battlefield. The higher jihad is a struggle to improve oneself. But it is the lower jihad that one attains the prize of martyrdom. Militant Muslim scholars argue that it is the duty of Muslims to spread the religion by conversion if possible or by force of arms if military power comes to them.

Khomeini said: "Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled and incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of (other) countries that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world.”

This spirit is best summed up in a hadith from Sahih al Bukhari where the Prophet said: "Know that Paradise is under the shade of swords". It is really an invitation to die for Allah.

That is why Holy Warriors from the 7th century to the present day followers of Osama bin Laden are so dangerous. Islam was designed to facilitate Arab imperialism. It is a warrior's religion.

It is worth noting that from the word jihad (root = jhd) we get words such as Mujahid and Mujahideen meaning, in practice at least Muslim “fighter/soldier” or 'jihadi' and 'band of fighters/soldiers' (jihadists) respectively, which rather belies the “peaceful" interpretation of jihad.

Furthermore Muslim jurists explain that there are four kinds of jihad fi sabili Allahi (“jihad in the way of Allah”):

- Jihad of the heart/soul (jihad bil qalb/nafs) is concerned with combating “evil” (i.e. un-Islamic) desires and the devil in the attempt to escape his persuasion to evil. In other words this is the “internal” jihad.

- Jihad by the tongue/pen (jihad bil lisan/qallam) is concerned with spreading the word of Islam with one's tongue or writing and the verbal (or written) defence of Islam.

- Jihad by the hand (jihad bil yad) refers to choosing to do what is right and to combat injustice and what is wrong in Islamic terms with action, e.g. protest, demanding “special consideration” etc. Some Muslim writers see “hand-jihad” as subsuming sword-jihad

-Jihad by the sword (jihad bis saif) refers to qital fi sabili Allahi ([armed] fighting in the way of Allah, or holy war), this is the most common usage by Salafi and Wahhabi Muslims and the most ancient. For example, Sahih Bukhari (the pre-eminent Hadith collection of Sunni Islam) has ~200 references to jihad and 98% (~196) of them refer to it in the sense of armed warfare against non-Muslims

Thus whilst jihad is not only warfare, it most certainly encompasses warfare, as history and the Islamic sources comprehensively demonstrate and it is even reasonable to say that jihad is mostly about warfare, since the majority of references to it in both hadith and Koran refer to sword-jihad.

Indeed, within classical Islamic jurisprudence jihad is the only form of warfare permissible under Sharia law, and consists of wars against non-Muslims, apostates, rebels, dissenters renouncing the authority of Islam (i.e. heretics) and (curiously) highway robbers. Thus all war carried out by Muslims is (or should be) jihad

It is also worth noting that the primary aim of sword-jihad is not the conversion of non-Muslims to Islam by force, but the expansion of the Islamic state (Koran 13:41) and its defence, as is well attested in history (e.g. the Eastern Christian, now part of the Islamic, world). This fact belies the “defence only” interpretation also used by some apologists.
That jihad is not primarily intended to convert needs a little further explanation. Whenever Islam conquered territory it generally allowed its subjugated peoples three choices:

To convert.
To accept the third-class status of dhimmi.
To face a merciless war of annihilation.

It is worth pointing out that both the two types of Jihad referred to above are at least as effective at spreading Islam as is warfare/terrorism.

Kurt
01-26-2014, 02:27 AM
Your wrong again. Hollywood is too blame. Please boycott it! I say that to the world its terrible what trash is produced there and blown in the wind to every corner of the globe. If rap music and feminism exist then women wouldn't be sluts. However not al women are sluts or behave that way. I can count many of the girls in my town are not slutty or go around sleeping with random men. Infact most men in my town that want women to sleep with go to the cities because they are feminists there that do not respect themselves and don't care and sleep with everyone.

Most girls in my town are prudes and do not believe in sex before marriage.

I never said they're all sluts, I said they been confused and exploited degeneracy "values".

MINARD777
01-26-2014, 02:34 AM
Well this stuff mostly happens in third world countries as they are very clan/tribal based cultures. To make things worse they do not value education and view it as heretical. This is why the middle east in many places are not very innovative or contribute much to humanities growth today. The burden of development is given to westerners. Its sad that the Islamic world wants that but they will wake up maybe in the next 100 years or so. Turkey is a successful country and possibly why they are the most hated Islamic country in the world [well in that part of the world]. Westerners admire Turkey today, they also get a lot of tourists from around the world and foreigners study at their universities. The same cannot be said of Iraq or Saudi Arabia. I think Iraq and Syria will change but Saudi Arabia are hanging on to some ancient glory they wish to have again but they will be left behind until they wake up and smell the coffee :cool:

Say what you want... but the MOST well rounded countries are NOT muslim at all. There are some okay Muslim countries. No GREAT ones that do not have MAJOR social issues. Why is this? Even Turkey has a lot of problems, and they are not as muslim a country as some. They are more accepting as well.

A lot of North African countries suck ass too.

And Russia's pain in the ass splinter is Muslim as well... Chechnya is out of control because of muslim groups although their government is not Muslim.

Islam is a cancer.

Raine
01-26-2014, 02:50 AM
The opposite is happening in muslim societies, they treat women with the most gentle respect during the time of war and chaos, and keep them in check during freedom and peace. That's essentially superior in a morality ladder.

Women are not children to be kept "in check". If anything it's the Muslim men that need to be kept in check and learn to control themselves. can't blame muslim men for their mindset though. They think and act like Muhammad.

The Quran emphasizes the superiority of men by confirming that men have an advantage over the women. It not only denies women’s equal right to their inheritance, it also regards them as imbeciles and decrees that their testimony is not admissible in the court of law unless it is accompanied with the testimony of a man. This means that a woman who is raped cannot accuse her rapist unless she can produce a male witness. Muhammad allowed the Muslim men to marry up to four wives although he himself had a score of them and gave them license to rape their "right-hand possessions” women captured in wars, as many as they can capture or afford to buy, even if the woman is married before being captured

Kurt
01-26-2014, 02:54 AM
Women are not children to be kept "in check". If anything it's the Muslim men that need to be kept in check and learn to control themselves. can't blame muslim men for their mindset though. They think and act like Muhammad.

The Quran emphasizes the superiority of men by confirming that men have an advantage over the women. It not only denies women’s equal right to their inheritance, it also regards them as imbeciles and decrees that their testimony is not admissible in the court of law unless it is accompanied with the testimony of a man. This means that a woman who is raped cannot accuse her rapist unless she can produce a male witness. Muhammad allowed the Muslim men to marry up to four wives although he himself had a score of them and gave them license to rape their "right-hand possessions” women captured in wars, as many as they can capture or afford to buy, even if the woman is married before being captured
I highly doubt this is true mister.

Incal
01-26-2014, 03:08 AM
I think moral superiority goes hand in hand with development and well being. If Muslims were indeed morally superior then their countries wouldn't be in shambles.

Raine
01-26-2014, 03:13 AM
I highly doubt this is true mister.

Clearly you are ignorant about many things about Islam

Sunni Muslim sheik issues fatwa saying rebels can rape Shiite Muslims and Christian Syrians

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSR176Ot-YA


Based on Islamic jurisprudence derived from the Qur’an, the Hadith, and classical Islamic legal opinions, the principal rules of Jihad are summarized herein. These rules are immoral and exploitative:

1. Muslims may enslave women and children of the conquered non-Muslim populations (Reliance of the Traveler, #o9.13). Islam codifies slavery in its religious law (Sharia). Selling humans into slavery produced a lot of wealth for Muhammad and his followers. Slaying women and children is prohibited, not for mercy, but for profit. However, if a Muslim slays them, he is not censured.

2. The marriages of those women are annulled upon their capture. They may be forced to marry their Muslim masters and added to their harim (an-Nisa’ 4: 24).

3. Worse off, Muslim jihadists are allowed to rape the captured female prisoners of war. Ali, Muhammad’s cousin and son-in-law, did this abomination, and Muhammad defended him (Bukhari 5.59.637). Islam codifies and legalizes rape for conquering jihadist Muslim men (Muslim 8.3371, 3373-7, 3432). Islam is the only religion in the world that condones and encourages the crime of raping female captives of war as a reward to victorious Muslim soldiers for conquering the infidels.

4. Muslim jihadists are allowed to kill old men and Christian monks (Reliance of the Traveler, #o9.10), and women and children in night raids (Bukhari 4.52.256; Muslim 19.4321-4323).

5. The non-Muslim prisoners of war may be killed, enslaved, ransomed (exchanged for money or a Muslim captive), or released (al-Ahzab 33: 26; Muhammad 47: 4; Reliance of the Traveler, #o9.14).

6. Pagan Arabs were pressured to convert to Islam on pain of death. Enemy men who converted to Islam were allowed to keep their property and children (al-Tawbah 9: 5, 11, 14, 33; Bukhari 4.52.263).

7. The Muslim jihadist invaders may confiscate or destroy non-Muslim civilian property, including homes and groves (al-Ahzab 33: 27; al-Hashr 59: 5, 2; Bukhari 4.52.262, 263; Muslim 19.4324).

8. A Muslim jihadist who kills a non-Muslim in jihad gets his belongings. This is called personal booty. In addition, he gets his share from the four-fifths of the collective spoils of the battle.

9. The Muslim jihadist invaders give the people of the Book (Jews and Christians) three options (al-Tawbah 9: 29) either to convert to Islam, to keep their faith and pay the submission tax of jizya (poll tax) while living under Islamic rule, or to get killed fighting if they refused the first two options. However, Muslims can mount surprise attacks on the infidels, slay them and usurp their property. This is not censured because the victims are not Muslims, and they are not protected in the Islamic state.

Prengs
01-26-2014, 03:14 AM
Budhism is most peaceful (tolerance and rational minded ) of all religions in world.

Raine
01-26-2014, 03:31 AM
Budhism is most peaceful (tolerance and rational minded ) of all religions in world.

Well Islam is not even a religion.It is an imperialistic ideology in the garb of religion. In fact religion is what makes Islamic political ideology so dangerous. The religious aspect of Islam was created later by Muslim philosophers. If Islam is a religion, so are Nazism, communism etc.


What makes Islam dangerous is not because it is a religion but because it is not. Islam is a thief in police uniform. The agenda of Islam is entirely imperialistic and political but its modus operandi is religious. It is this disguise and duplicity that makes Islam unpredictable and dangerous.

Neither religion nor politics are dangerous. Both politics and religion have their place in our world. Each fulfils a specific role and satisfies a certain need. But when we have a political movement with seventh century mentality, that aims to conquer the world, presents itself in the garb of religion and demands religious status; we are dealing with an imposter and there lies the danger. The danger is that while Islam claims to be a religion, its followers do not shy away from political assassinations, subversive activities, terrorism, sabotage, espionage and other ballistic acts that have little to do with religion and spirituality and are purely political in nature.

Islam has one goal and that is to overthrow the present governments and establish the Khilafat. Let there be no mistake as to what Islam is about. Let us listen to the words coming out of the mouth of the horse. In this case the horse is Ibrahim Hooper, CAIR’s Spokesperson:

"I wouldn't want to create the impression that I wouldn't like the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in the future...But I'm not going to do anything violent to promote that. I'm going to do it through education."

Whether it is through education or through violence and Jihad, the aim is clearly stated. Islam is not created to make people spiritual, loving, caring people. Islam is not a religion of personal growth. Islam is a tool to mobilize the masses and to ultimately score political victories, subvert the governments and establish the Islamic domination.

Krajisnik
01-26-2014, 03:37 AM
Lol muslims always trying to go out their way to make their religion look good, btw no muslim countries has Nuclear weapons(maybe turkey?)

Prengs
01-26-2014, 03:41 AM
Lol muslims always trying to go out their way to make their religion look good, btw no muslim countries has Nuclear weapons(maybe turkey?)

Pakistan has nuclear weapons, Turkey not.

Krajisnik
01-26-2014, 03:43 AM
No worries India could handle them.

Jim Crow
01-26-2014, 03:51 AM
Lol muslims always trying to go out their way to make their religion look good, btw no muslim countries has Nuclear weapons(maybe turkey?)

Turks and Azeris are good examples of people who have advanced themselves and still kept their religion without imposing it on others. Now what is happening in Syria is a disaster and will make Isam look bad for many Muslims [mostly sunnis]. I noticed at least some of them are distancing themselves from the imperialistic version of Islam.

Jim Crow
01-26-2014, 03:51 AM
Clearly you are ignorant about many things about Islam

Sunni Muslim sheik issues fatwa saying rebels can rape Shiite Muslims and Christian Syrians

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSR176Ot-YA

That is the point I made earlier. This is proof as no Christian religious leader today would condone rape of women, murdering of children or unarmed civilians. such an act would result in excommunication.

Jim Crow
01-26-2014, 04:04 AM
I never said they're all sluts, I said they been confused and exploited degeneracy "values".

that has nothing to do with Christianity. remember separation between church and state. You would be glad that Christians do not have political power as any non Christian [mostly catholic] would be burned alive at a stake. I was raised catholic and do not consider that a good way of treating other human beings or moral especially if a religious leader condones it. The values yes are changing but the fact is this we have the liberty to do that or not do it...it really boils down to how you raise your children. I watched a video on british kids [some of the muslims] who had anger issues, gave their parents a hard time and they were swapped with rural American kids to live in Britain with a different family while the British kids came here, you would be surprised at the values rural people in America are raised with. One of the Indian British girls was complaining because she had to help the host family on a farm, and the girl of that family told her it was a normal life style for them. Now this girl did not go out and party or act like a degenerate, she was Christian while the urban British Indian girl said 'so you do not go out with boys or to clubs' the rural American girl 'said no I have no time for that' without being rude and saying 'I am a perfect prude Christian girl'. The fact has nothing to do with religion, Islam wouldn't change that nothing would.

If parents want to raise their children to let them do what they want then they produce degeneracy. If you expose children while thye develop to degeneracy they inherit it and become it. It has nothing to do with religion. I do not go around sleeping with numerous women, although the urge is always in my mind that yes it would be nice but I have self control. I have only been with one girl my whole life so I do not consider myself a man slut or a degenerate. I see far more degenerates out there. I just stay away from them and do not do what they do because I disagree with it. Im not going to go up to them and say 'Oh Lord Jesus we need to save you from the fires of hell because of your lifestyle', what the fuck for? if they want to do that fine with me I have no issue with it.

The fact is most women do not act that way and I think we get concerned about them. Now one thing I agree with you on is this belief in America now they are trying to encourage like stay at home dads which to me any women ever suggested I would be instantly turned off. I had that concept as to me its unnatural and anti--Man period. Its something FemiNazis are trying to promote their using the media. I hate American media. I believe traditional roles should exist and yes the media needs to not sexualize women or promote that culture to children. This is why parental warnings on cds and movies is a good thing. You see 'not for young audiences' then don't buy it for children. I think performers like Miley Cyrus should be banned from every country and her music not allowed to be played on the radio. The same with Lady Gagme and other 'artists' [perverts] like that should be banned.

Chaya
01-26-2014, 04:17 AM
Women are not children to be kept "in check". If anything it's the Muslim men that need to be kept in check and learn to control themselves. can't blame muslim men for their mindset though. They think and act like Muhammad.

The Quran emphasizes the superiority of men by confirming that men have an advantage over the women. It not only denies women’s equal right to their inheritance, it also regards them as imbeciles and decrees that their testimony is not admissible in the court of law unless it is accompanied with the testimony of a man. This means that a woman who is raped cannot accuse her rapist unless she can produce a male witness. Muhammad allowed the Muslim men to marry up to four wives although he himself had a score of them and gave them license to rape their "right-hand possessions” women captured in wars, as many as they can capture or afford to buy, even if the woman is married before being captured
Are you stupid?You must educate yourself
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?105170-Queens-Of-Islam-%26%237476%3B%26%237472%3B-Pearls-Of-Islam
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?111363-VAARON-The-Status-Of-Women-In-Islam!
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?98484-Elevation-of-Women%92s-Status

Raine
01-26-2014, 04:17 AM
Is Muslim morality really superior to all? Let's test it

Something is not good or evil simply because I say it or because Muhammad says it. Good and evil must be measured according to a defined criterion. This criterion is the Golden Rule. This is a self evident criterion. It works like an inner compass for all human beings who are endowed with commonsense. In Islam this criterion is rejected. Good and bad are not manifest on their own. They are established by what Muhammad ordered and prohibited. What he ordered or prohibited could be contrary to the Golden Rule. But his words are the standard. Muslims have no regards for the Golden Rule.

The Golden Rule says do to others what you would expect others do to you. This is very simple and easy to understand and apply. I do not like to be cheated, so I must not cheat others. I do not like to be killed, so I must not kill others. I do not want anyone rape my wife, so I must not rape others. This principle works like a Swiss clock. It never fails. You can find all the guidance you need by this compass.

But the Golden Rule has no place in Islam. Muhammad told his followers to fight the unbelievers and impose on them his religion. How do you like the Jews, the Christians or the Hindus fight the Muslims and impose their religion on them? Muhammad raided civilian towns, killed unarmed men, looted their belongings and enslaved and raped their wives. How do you like this to be done to you and your family?

Let me quote some of the verses of the Quran switching the words “Muslims” and “non-Muslims”. Let us see how they sound.

8:12 We will cast terror into the hearts of Muslims. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.
3:28, Let not the non-Muslims take for friends or helpers the Muslims.
8:65, Rouse the non-Muslims to the fight against Muslims.
9:5, Then fight and slay the Muslims wherever ye find them,
9:14, Fight the Muslims, and God will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame.
9:23, O ye the non-Muslims take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love Islam.
9:28, O ye the non-Muslims! Truly the Muslims are unclean.
9:123, O ye non-Muslims! fight the Muslims who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you.
47:4, Therefore, when ye meet the Muslims, smite at their necks; At length.

How do you like them? I bet you don’t like them.

That is why Islam is contrary to the Golden Rule. That is why Islam is dangerous in its core. So as you see there is no contradiction between promoting democracy and freedom of thought and eradicating Islam, Nazism, fascism or any other divisive ideology.

Morality is not relative at all. Islam teaches moral relativism. Rape is bad but rape of the disbelievers is good. Murder is bad but Murder of kafirs is divine. Child molestation is bad but if Muhammad lusts after a 9-year-old child that is good. If a non-Muslim kills a Muslim he should be put to death but no Muslim should be killed for killing a non-Muslim. A married man may lust after other woman and marry four wives but this rule does not apply to women. Islam is a moral relativistic doctrine.

America has laws that severely punish rape. American soldiers who break the law get prosecuted and if found guilty they are put behind the bars. We certainly can’t condemn America , its people or its government and not even its military if a few of its individuals break the law. Criminals and law breakers exist in every society. If they are prosecuted and punished the society can’t be blamed.

The American who broke the law are prosecuted and are now serving their prison terms. But they did not kill their prisoners and the torture was mere humiliation and light compared to what Muhammad did to his prisoners like Kinana.


"Kinana, the husband of Safiya, had been guardian of the tribe's treasures, and he was brought before the apostle, who asked where they were hidden. But Kinana refused to disclose the place. Then a Jew came who said, 'I have seen Kinana walk around a certain ruin every morning.' The apostle asked Kinana, 'Art thou prepared to die if we find thou knewest where the treasure was?' And he replied, 'Yes.' So the apostle ordered the ruin to be dug up, and some of the treasure was found. After that Kinana was asked again about the remainder, but he still refused to tell. The apostle of Allah handed him over to al‑Zubayr, saying, 'Torture him until he tells what he knows', and al‑Zubayr kindled a fire on his chest so that he almost expired; then the apostle gave him to Muhammad b. Maslama, who struck off his head."

However muslims worship Muhammad and think he was a perfect example to emulate.

Islamists have a twisted sense of morality. They mix and bundle up a lot of things that are different in nature and erroneously state that these are all accepted to many in the western world while they are against Islam. Let us take them one by one:

Homosexuality is not a crime. There are a couple of elderly Lesbians leaving next door to me. I have not seen anything indecent or inhuman in them. If they sleep in the same bed or they don’t does in no ways affect me. It is not even my business to ask whether they share the same bedroom or have separate bedrooms. They are working like anyone else and contribute to the society like others. They have not hurt me. Why should they be killed? What is more immoral? That they are homosexual or that you are a murderer? This is another example of your twisted sense of morality. You see homosexuality as immorality but you don’t see anything wrong in killing people.

I am not an authority on this subject. But I know that at least a good portion of homosexuals are physically and emotionally not “normal’. They are different. If you believe God creates people, then God made them this way. What right you have to tell God he has made a mistake in creating the homosexuals the way he has? What right you have to take away the lives of those whom are the handiwork of God? As long as they don't harm other, what food they eat, what movies they watch or with whom they sleep should not be anyone's business but their own. If they are doing something wrong, you are not God, let God deal with them the way he knows best.

Adultery: In Islam this falls under two classes: The premarital sex and the out of marriage sex. As for premarital sex, it is none of your damn business. You can teach your morals to your daughter and son but you have no right to impose your morality on others. As for adultery of married people, it is something that should concern the husband and the wife and again it is none of your damn business. You make sure you do not commit adultery like the majority of Muslim men and watch your wife. You have no business to put your nose in the private lives of others. If I marry someone who commits adultery, I will divorce her but it is not up to state or you to stone her. This is why I say you have a very twisted sense of morality. You see adultery as something abhorrent when it is none of your business but see nothing wrong in stoning a person to death.

Then again you believe in polygamy. This is licensing adultery. You can have sex with as many women as you like, all you have to do is declare them your wives and divorce them at whim. That is a mockery of marriage. Muhammad allowed muta or temporary marriages. Umar banned it but the Shiites still practice it. This is nothing but legalized prostitution.

Rape: Rape is a crime in civilized countries and there is zero tolerance for that. The rapists are brought to justice and if they present a permanent danger they are often locked up for good. But incidentally rape is not so bad in Islamic countries. First of all a husband can rape his wife anytime and this is not considered rape at all. But that is not what concerns me most. What is essentially evil in Islam is that rape is prescribed in the Quran and was practiced and encouraged by Muhammad himself. Muhammad told his followers it is okay to rape women captured in war even if they are married before being captured, 4:24 This is a long subject and I will come to that later and will dedicate an entire chapter to it. However suffice to say that your twisted sense of morality did not allow you to see that rape is something the civilized world does not tolerate while it is part of Islam. I am afraid you put your foot in your mouth when you casually included “rape” to the list of your diatribe against the West.

Bestiality: This sickness is in no ways exclusive to the westerners. We have Rumi talking about a maid and her lady having sex with a donkey and there are injunctions by Muslim jurists regulating the sex with animals. Khomeini talked about this extensively. In fact, because the relationship between men and women in Islam is taboo, bestiality is far more practiced in Islamic countries than in non-Muslim world. Sex with animals among the non-Muslims is an aberration while among the Muslims is not that unusual. So when you accuse the westerners of bestiality, you are a pot calling the kettle black. You see the thorn in the eyes of others but can’t see the beam in your own.

Sadism: This is not a cultural disease but a psychological one. Sadists are psychopaths. They are often victims of childhood abuse. But childhood abuse happen more in Islamic countries where people are allowed to beat their children and domestic violence is unchecked. Children thus neglected or grown up in abusive environments become sadists. Sadists abound in Islamic countries. How many Saddams, Khomeinies, Al Zarqawi or Bin Ladens can you find in Western countries?

But that is not all. Muhammad himself was a sadist and used to torture his victims. We already talked about Kinana, let us quote a hadith to learn more about Muhammad’s sadism.

Bukhari 7, 71.589

"Some people were sick and they said, "O Allah's Apostle! Give us shelter and food. So when they became healthy they said, "The weather of Medina is not suitable for us." So he sent them to Al-Harra with some she-camels of his and said, "Drink of their milk." But when they became healthy, they killed the shepherd of the Prophet and drove away his camels. The Prophet sent some people in their pursuit. Then he got their hands and feet cut and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron. I saw one of them licking the earth with his tongue till he died."


But that is not all. Your Allah is also a sadist. Take a look:

4.56 Those who reject our Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire: as often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the penalty: for Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.

Isn't this sadism ?

Incest: This is a sickness of mind. It is by no means an exclusively western problem. In fact incest is much more a problem in Islamic counties than it is in the West. Because the relationship of men and women is taboo and because boys see only their sisters unveiled and accessible, the incest among brothers and sisters and uncle and niece happen a lot more in Islamic countries where the women can be even raped by their family members. This problem rarely surface, unless the sister becomes pregnant and if that happen she is killed to save the "honor" of the family.

Pedophilia: This happens also in the West and the tolerance of the Westerners towards it is inexistence. The pedophiles are hunted down and locked up to protect the children. However you conveniently did not mention it because pedophilia is not a crime in Islamic world. Many men have pedophilic relations with young boys and marrying children is also a sunnah. In fact pedophilia in Islam Muhammad promised "pearly boys" to his faithful followers. The thought of that is sickening but the fact that Muhammad makes it part of the heavenly rewards shows he thought is it something pleasurable.

52:24 Round about them will serve, (devoted) to them. Youths (handsome) as pearls well-guarded.

Muhammad'sdefinition of morality is whimsical. Some things are halal (licit) and other things are haram (illicit). What is lalal or haram is not self evident. They are based entirely on his whims. In all the religions, the Golden Rule applies. It is the inner compass with which all the sane people can distinguish between right and wrong. Its application is very simple. I don’t like to be killed, so I must not kill. I do not like to be robbed, so I must not rob. I don’t like to be lied to, so I must not lie. I do not like my wife or daughter be raped, so I must not rape someone else’s wife or daughter, etc. The Golden Rule is an unerring compass. In fact it is so unerring that religions become superfluous. People without religion can follow this Rule and find their way unerringly.

Good and bad in Islam are defined by Muhammad. What he allowed is good and what he prohibited is bad. According to the Golden Rule killing, stealing and raping are bad. But in Islam these very acts are enjoined and are good if they are done in the name of Allah. Muhammad exhorted his followers to do Jihad, to fight and kill people, to loot their properties and to rape their wives.

Societies whose morality is not based on ethics are moral relativistic societies. Moral relativism is a characteristic of Islam. Islam condones evil acts if the outcome of that benefits Islam and the Muslims. Moral relativism means justifying the means by the ends. For example, according to Islamic ethos, murder, rape and theft are bad, if the victim is a Muslim but they are okay if they are done to non-Muslims. One can do evil if with that Islam is benefited. Islamic morality does not concern itself with ethical values but with halal and haram which are whimsical and do not derive from ethics and the Golden Rule. In fact Islamic ethics is an oxymoron.

Ethics enjoin that the violation of the rights of any human being is wrong. This is not the case in Islam. Islam does not regard as full humans those who are not Muslims and hence their rights are not the same as the rights given to Muslims. Women in Islam also do not have equal rights. In Islam it is the Sharia that dictates what is wrong and what is right.

Right and wrong in Islam are based on what Muhammad said and did and not on what ethics dictates. For example ethics dictates that beating women is wrong. In Islam it is permissible to beat one's wife. According to ethics, punishment must not exceed the crime; in Islam the punishment of petty thief is chopping the hand.

Islam also concerns itself with "sins of conscience". Ethics does not prescribe any punishment for such "sins". Individuals in ethical societies have the freedom of thought and expression. You are free to think, say and do what you please as long as you do not harm others. In Islam such freedom is inexistent. You would be punished and even brutally executed if you criticize Islam, apostatize, engage in sex out of marriage or have homosexual tendencies.

In Islam it is halal to beat one's wife but it is haram for a woman to expose her hair to strangers. It is halal to be promiscuous and polygamous but the same is haram for women. It is halal to own slaves but it is haram to charge interest on loan. It is halal to deflower a 9 year old girl but it is haram for girls and boys to mingle. It is halal to rape a boy and have pedophilic relationship with him but it is haram to have homosexual relationship with another adult. Islamic Sharia is against human ethics. Morality in Islam is relative to what Sharia dictates and not to what logics or ethics say.

Chaya
01-26-2014, 04:23 AM
Is Muslim morality really superior to all? Let's test it

...............Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater. We have certainly made clear to you the signs, if you will use reason. surat al imran 118

Raine
01-26-2014, 04:32 AM
that has nothing to do with Christianity. remember separation between church and state. You would be glad that Christians do not have political power as any non Christian [mostly catholic] would be burned alive at a stake.

This could happen in the west because there is a clear separation between Church and State. The separation was due to these famous words from Christ:

“Render unto Cesar the things that are Cesar’s. Render unto God the things that are God’s.”

In islam imbedded in Quran is the Sharia Law. This makes it difficult to separate mosque from state. A good Muslim desires to follow Mohammed’s teachings to the full and this means that he must desire to live in an Islamic state where the shariah law is enforced. Thus in every Muslim country, there exists a group of people who desires to live in an Islamic state. Pakistan tried it when Zia Ul Haq was president. The economy was ruined in the attempt.

To make matters worse, out of the Muslims who desire an Islamic state, a minority is prepared to use violence to achieve it. Their reasoning goes something like this.

God’s law is higher than man’s law. Sounds reasonable, right? Democracy is man made. Therefore an Islamic state, which is ruled in accordance to God’s law, is superior to democracy. In fact, democracy is a form of idolatry where you put man above Allah.

This rejection of democracy not only hinders its establishment in many (fortunately not all) Muslim countries but some Muslims feel perfectly justified in using violence to create an Islamic state. They don’t see the need to let the ballot box decide since God is above any man made democracy.

This is due to the nature of Islam itself where its founder, Prophet Mohammed was also a military commander. Thus to a militant Muslim, Al-Qaeda’s attempt to violently create an Islamic state in SE Asia is only doing exactly what Prophet Mohammed did in his lifetime. His words of violence, perhaps uttered in the heat of war, are now forever recorded in the Koran and Hadiths as Holy Scripture. Let me give you a few examples.

Surah 8:39 (or thereabouts) says, “Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God’s religion shall reign supreme.”

Surah 8:12 says, “God revealed his will to the angels, saying: “I shall be with you. Give courage to the believers. I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers!”

Surah 9:39 (or thereabouts) says, “If you do not go to war, He will punish you sternly, and will replace you by other men.”

Even if such people are a small minority, their presence destabilizes countries and frightens away western or Japanese investors. Between India and Pakistan, which country do you think is more attractive to an American investor? I think there is no comparison. Why go to Pakistan where there are people wanting to kill you? Some of these militants think that the killing of an infidel American or Jew will win them passage to paradise.

The presence of violent men not only deters foreign investors but also make it impossible to have a functioning democracy.

Jim Crow
01-26-2014, 04:38 AM
This could happen in the west because there is a clear separation between Church and State. The separation was due to these famous words from Christ:

“Render unto Cesar the things that are Cesar’s. Render unto God the things that are God’s.”

In islam imbedded in Quran is the Sharia Law. This makes it difficult to separate mosque from state. A good Muslim desires to follow Mohammed’s teachings to the full and this means that he must desire to live in an Islamic state where the shariah law is enforced. Thus in every Muslim country, there exists a group of people who desires to live in an Islamic state. Pakistan tried it when Zia Ul Haq was president. The economy was ruined in the attempt.

To make matters worse, out of the Muslims who desire an Islamic state, a minority is prepared to use violence to achieve it. Their reasoning goes something like this.

God’s law is higher than man’s law. Sounds reasonable, right? Democracy is man made. Therefore an Islamic state, which is ruled in accordance to God’s law, is superior to democracy. In fact, democracy is a form of idolatry where you put man above Allah.

This rejection of democracy not only hinders its establishment in many (fortunately not all) Muslim countries but some Muslims feel perfectly justified in using violence to create an Islamic state. They don’t see the need to let the ballot box decide since God is above any man made democracy.

This is due to the nature of Islam itself where its founder, Prophet Mohammed was also a military commander. Thus to a militant Muslim, Al-Qaeda’s attempt to violently create an Islamic state in SE Asia is only doing exactly what Prophet Mohammed did in his lifetime. His words of violence, perhaps uttered in the heat of war, are now forever recorded in the Koran and Hadiths as Holy Scripture. Let me give you a few examples.

Surah 8:39 (or thereabouts) says, “Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God’s religion shall reign supreme.”

Surah 8:12 says, “God revealed his will to the angels, saying: “I shall be with you. Give courage to the believers. I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers!”

Surah 9:39 (or thereabouts) says, “If you do not go to war, He will punish you sternly, and will replace you by other men.”

Even if such people are a small minority, their presence destabilizes countries and frightens away western or Japanese investors. Between India and Pakistan, which country do you think is more attractive to an American investor? I think there is no comparison. Why go to Pakistan where there are people wanting to kill you? Some of these militants think that the killing of an infidel American or Jew will win them passage to paradise.

The presence of violent men not only deters foreign investors but also make it impossible to have a functioning democracy.

This is what Protestants believe. Although Catholics after accepted this form of belief system but many want to go back to letting the church be in charge. I don't, Infact this happen in Austria after ww1 before Hitler annexed it to Germany it was under a Catholic government.

Jim Crow
01-26-2014, 04:40 AM
...............Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater. We have certainly made clear to you the signs, if you will use reason. surat al imran 118

well you refuse to see your religion as imperfect no differently than a westerner who is religious refuses to view their religion as imperfect. No one willingly admits to the faults of their culture/religion.

Chaya
01-26-2014, 04:43 AM
Islam is a comprehensive way of life, and morality is one of the cornerstones Islam. Morality is one of the fundamental sources of a nation’s strength, just as immorality is one of the main causes of a nation’s decline. Islam has established some universal fundamental rights for humanity as a whole, which are to be observed in all circumstances. To uphold these rights, Islam has provided not only legal safeguards, but also a very effective moral system. Thus, whatever leads to the welfare of the individual or the society and does not oppose any maxims of the religion is morally good in Islam, and whatever is harmful is morally bad.

Given its importance in a healthy society, Islam supports morality and matters that lead to it, and stands in the way of corruption and matters that lead to it. The guiding principle for the behavior of a Muslim is “Virtuous Deeds”. This term covers all deeds, not only acts of worship. The Guardian and Judge of all deeds is God Himself.

The most fundamental characteristics of a Muslim are piety and humility. A Muslim must be humble with God and with other people:

“And turn not your face away from people (with pride), nor walk in insolence through the earth. Verily, God likes not each arrogant boaster. And be moderate (or show no insolence) in your walking, and lower your voice. Verily, the harshest of all voices is the voice (braying) of the ass.” (Quran 31:18-19)

Muslims must be in controls of their passions and desires.

A Muslim should not be vain or attached to the ephemeral pleasures of this world. While most people allow the material world to fill their hearts, Muslims should keep God in their hearts and the material world in their hand. Instead of being attached to the car and the job and the diploma and the bank account, all these things become tools to make us better people.

“The Day whereon neither wealth nor sons will avail, but only he (will prosper) that brings to God a sound heart.” (Quran: 26:88-89)

Chaya
01-26-2014, 04:47 AM
“And march forth toward forgiveness from your Lord, and for Paradise as wide as are the heavens and the earth, prepared for the pious. Those who spend (in the way of God) in prosperity and in adversity, who repress anger, and who pardon people; verily, God loves the doers of the good deeds.” (Quran 3:133)

These three acts are among the hardest things for most people, but they are also the key to forgiveness and to paradise. Are they not the best, those who are able to exercise charity when they are in need themselves, control when they are angry and forgiveness when they are wronged?

Jim Crow
01-26-2014, 04:48 AM
“And march forth toward forgiveness from your Lord, and for Paradise as wide as are the heavens and the earth, prepared for the pious. Those who spend (in the way of God) in prosperity and in adversity, who repress anger, and who pardon people; verily, God loves the doers of the good deeds.” (Quran 3:133)

These three acts are among the hardest things for most people, but they are also the key to forgiveness and to paradise. Are they not the best, those who are able to exercise charity when they are in need themselves, control when they are angry and forgiveness when they are wronged?

Rory I just want to give you a big kiss and a big hug.

Chaya
01-26-2014, 04:50 AM
The Prophet, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, summarized the conduct of a Muslim when he said:

“My Sustainer has given me nine commands: to remain conscious of God, whether in private or in public; to speak justly, whether angry or pleased; to show moderation both when poor and when rich, to reunite friendship with those who have broken off with me; to give to him who refuses me; that my silence should be occupied with thought; that my looking should be an admonition; and that I should command what is right.”

Jim Crow
01-26-2014, 04:53 AM
You are the MENA version of Yaroslav. :fbard:

Chaya
01-26-2014, 05:10 AM
You are the MENA version of Yaroslav. :fbard:

I'll kill you ---> sooooooooooooon :boohoo:

Chaya
01-26-2014, 05:13 AM
The Importance of Justice

The Quran, the sacred scripture of Islam, considers justice to be a supreme virtue. It is a basic objective of Islam to the degree that it stands next in order of priority to belief in God’s exclusive right to worship (Tawheed) and the truth of Muhammad’s prophethood. God declares in the Quran:

“God commands justice and fair dealing...” (Quran 16:90)

And in another passage:

“O you who believe, be upright for God, and (be) bearers of witness with justice!...” (Quran 5:8)

Chaya
01-26-2014, 05:21 AM
“O My slaves, I have forbidden injustice for Myself and forbade it also for you. So avoid being unjust to one another.” (Sahih Muslim)

Jim Crow
01-26-2014, 05:25 AM
I'll kill you ---> sooooooooooooon :boohoo:

Not if I get you first :smilie_liebe9:

Jim Crow
01-26-2014, 05:25 AM
“O My slaves, I have forbidden injustice for Myself and forbade it also for you. So avoid being unjust to one another.” (Sahih Muslim)

who are the slaves Muhammad is referring to?

Chaya
01-26-2014, 05:30 AM
who are the slaves Muhammad is referring to?

Hadith Qudsi! God spoke to His Messenger in this manner:
“O My slaves, I have forbidden injustice for Myself and forbade it also for you. So avoid being unjust to one another.” (Sahih Muslim)

Raine
01-26-2014, 05:37 AM
Justice like every else in Islam is relative. For example is it just if Muslims give ultimatums to non-Muslims to convert and if they fail “as a last resort” take arms against them? Where is the justice in this? How can you justify this with the verse "There is no compulsion in religion"? It is a shame that Muslims are so brainwashed that can no more distinguish between right and wrong. Why people who want to keep their own religion and pray to their own god should face the military might of Muslims? Or where is the justice in demanding Jizza from non-believes and making them feel humiliated and subued?

Raine
01-26-2014, 05:40 AM
Are you stupid?You must educate yourself
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?105170-Queens-Of-Islam-%26%237476%3B%26%237472%3B-Pearls-Of-Islam
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?111363-VAARON-The-Status-Of-Women-In-Islam!
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?98484-Elevation-of-Women%92s-Status

Muslim women so naively say that Islam gives them more right. What a ridiculous statement. Muhammad called women “deficient in intelligence”, he said the majority of the inhabitants of the hell are women and scared them to pay him their jewels as alms, he even legalized the domestic violence by allowing men to abuse their wives verbally, emotionally and physically 4:34 . How can any woman respect a man who said "Your women are a tilt for you (to cultivate) so go to your tilt as ye will," 2:223 When I see Muslim women defending Muhammad, a man who disdained them so much, I start thinking may be he was right and Muslim women are deficient in intelligence. I wonder what is your opinion in this respect. Do you think you are deficient in intelligence or you disagree with this statement? If you disagree you are contradicting your prophet, but if you agree with him and truly believe to be deficient in intelligence then by virtue of this deficiency you are incapable and disqualified to judge the truth of Muhammad. You need to listen to someone who is not deficient in intelligence. I do not consider myself to be deficient in intelligence and I tell you that Muhammad was a liar. Women are not deficient in intelligence. Many non-Muslim women around the word have demonstrated to be not inferior to men in any ways. So when Muhammad says: “but men have a degree (of advantage) over them (women)” 2:228,. You know that it is a misogynist barbarian talking and you as a modern woman should not believe in such nonsense. Did you notice that Muhammad's god in Quran never addresses women directly? Women are always referred to in third person as if they really did not matter. Doesn't this say that Quran is written for men?

Please respond to this question. Do you agree with Muhammad that women are deficient in intelligence or you disagree with him and think he was wrong? This is very important because in the second case you are not a Muslim and in the first case I do not have to waste my time debating with someone who is deficient in intelligence.

Chaya
01-26-2014, 05:49 AM
Justice like every else in Islam is relative. For example is it just if Muslims give ultimatums to non-Muslims to convert and if they fail “as a last resort” take arms against them? Where is the justice in this? How can you justify this with the verse "There is no compulsion in religion"? It is a shame that Muslims are so brainwashed that can no more distinguish between right and wrong. Why people who want to keep their own religion and pray to their own god should face the military might of Muslims? Or where is the justice in demanding Jizza from non-believes and making them feel humiliated and subued?

The Quran, the sacred scripture of Islam, considers justice to be a supreme virtue. It is a basic objective of Islam
“God commands justice and fair dealing...” (Quran 16:90)
“O you who believe, be upright for God, and (be) bearers of witness with justice!...” (Quran 5:8)

Chaya
01-26-2014, 06:04 AM
Muslim women so naively say that Islam gives them more right.--------
Islam gave the right for women and made them equal to men. Prophet (Peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Women are the second half of men”.

Islam considers a woman to be equal to a man as a human being and as his partner in this life, and raised her condition very much. The condition of women in western culture -most times- is not better. They try always to use women for only one purpose, to enjoy with her body, so they convince her to show her body and expose it to all people. But see what Almighty Allah Says about the relation between man and woman.

Woman is place of relax for man, love and affection are the base of their relations. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning)“And among His Signs is this that He created for you wives from among yourselves, that you may find repose in them, and He has put between you affection and mercy. Verily, in that are indeed signs for a people who reflect.” Allah (S.W.T) stated the coitus condition, he said: "They are (like) garments for you and you are (like) garments for them".

Some people defame Islam and say that Islam does not honor the woman. They misunderstood the Prophet's (Blessings and Peace of Allah be upon him) saying: “O! Women folk! You should give charity and be diligent in seeking Allah’s forgiveness, In spite of your lacking in wisdom and failing in religion, you are depriving the wisest of men of their intelligence”.
Upon this a woman asked: “What is the deficiency in our wisdom and in our religion? He replied, “Your lack of wisdom can be well judged from the fact that the evidence of two women is equal to that of a man. You do not offer Salah (prayer) for some days and you do not fast (during menstruation period), it is a deficiency in religion”.

In this narration, certain weaknesses of the female sex have been pointed out,

which are natural to the woman’s biology, psychology, and embryology.

According to biologists, during and before menstruation, a female’s thought process is affected, her pulse and blood pressure are also altered. Females are also more prone to hysteria,

Dr. ROVAREEN wrote in encyclopedia: “The power of a muscle of a woman is one third weaker than that of a man. The heart of a woman is small and weak compared to the man’s heart. Every woman's heart is 60grams smaller than an average man’s heart.

You should know that when the Quran distinguishes between the witness of a male and female,

it does not mean that there is a general rule in the Islam in witnessing, a female is worth half a male.
This condition is made only to ensure the fineness of witness as Islam also stipulates men to provide four witnesses in the case of adultery and accusations. Allah Says (Interpretation of meaning): " You must call four witnesses on them”. Allah Says (Interpretation of meaning): "And those who accuse chaste women, and produce not four witnesses, flog them with eighty stripes, and reject their testimony forever, they indeed are the Fasiqun (liars, rebellious, disobedient to Allah).

The purpose is to ensure the accuracy of incident. There is no discrimination between men and women. There is no dishonoring of women in Hadith. But there is astonishment in Hadith, how the women overcome men? although they are weaker than men. There are many fields in which Allah made the witness of a woman alone is enough, such as the issues of menses, birth, women defects, suckling and other matters, men can not know it. Allah put off the prayers and fast during her menstrual period. This concession is actually a sign of blessing and mercy of Allah on woman because she faces many biological changes in this period. We seek Allah’s help, blessing, mercy and His protection.
Allah knows best.

Kurt
01-26-2014, 06:07 AM
Another proof of Muslim superiority is RoryAdaddy
She only preaches the word of God and unlike the other Christian fanatics that have appeared here siding with well known systematic rapists and convicted genocidal criminals in the name of Christianity, she has preached and praised only peaceful clean spiritual morality.
Bravo Rory, you're a good Muslim:thumbs up

Chaya
01-26-2014, 06:08 AM
Do you agree with Muhammad that women are deficient in intelligence or you disagree with him and think he was wrong? This is very important because in the second case you are not a Muslim and in the first case I do not have to waste my time debating with someone who is deficient in intelligence.

قال تعالى " وَإِذَا خَاطَبَهُمُ الْجَاهِلُونَ قَالُوا سَلَامًا "
And the servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk upon the earth easily, and when the ignorant address them [harshly], they say [words of] peace,

Raine
01-26-2014, 06:57 AM
Islam considers a woman to be equal to a man as a human being and as his partner in this life, and raised her condition very much.

Men and women in islam are not equal. If a muslim woman can also have 4 husbands, then its equal. There are verses that does not just imply but it is explicit that men are superior to women. It says very clearly: “but men have a degree (of advantage) over them...”. Can you be more explicit than that?

If I ammistaken can you tell me which Islamic country has understood this equality that you talk about and is applying it? the marital relationship in Islam is akin to the relationship of an employer with his employee. A good marriage is one where husband and wife are equal partners in every sense. That is not what happens in Islam. The wife enters in the husband’s household as an employee and can be fired at anytime. All he has to do is to utter 'I divorce you'and the marriage is over.

Women in Islamic countries are often not allowed to work so they do not have money. They receive half of the inheritance of their brothers so fanatically they are in disadvantage. Divorce means assured poverty and extreme hardship. Often death is preferable and the rate of suicide among women is very high. Divorced Muslim women have not even right to the custody of their own children.

Also don't confuse responsibilities with rights. Of course men and women are different, biologically, emotionally, psychologically and in many other ways. Each one has his/her own strength and that is why they form the partnership. In any partnership the partners compliment each other. For example, you put the capital and I put the expertise and the labor and we make a partnership. The reason you and I form the partnership is because each one of us has something the other one does not have but needs.

In a marriage, husband and wife, each contribute according to their capacity and strength. Here we are talking about rights. If you and I form a “partnership”, where you put the money and I put the labor, where you order me and I obey you, where everything is in your name, and if we split you keep everything and I walk away with nothing. Where you have even the right to beat me, this is not partnership. This is slavery, because during the years I worked for you, you paid me no salary. I have no savings. You only maintained me, paid for my food and clothing so I could continue to work for you. And now that I am older, you kick me out and I am entitled to nothing. I can do only one thing and that is pray to Allah to take me away. That is not partnership. That is not even employment. That is slavery.

There are numerous ahadith that reflect poorly on women, including one in which Muhammad declares that most of hell’s population is female and that women are deficient in intelligence and piety (Bukhari)

The Quran says that men are in charge of women, as if women were imbeciles or minors who could not take care of themselves; that they must be obedient to their husbands or be admonished (verbally abused), banished from the bed (psychologically abused) and beaten (physically abused).

The above verse which has recently been advanced as a valid principle for conduct by Muslim spokesmen in Turkey, Spain, and elsewhere, makes for an atmosphere in which abuse of women is epidemic. The Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences for example, has determined that over nine out of ten Pakistani wives have been struck, beaten, or abused sexually for offenses on the order of cooking an unsatisfactory meal. It is the Quranic mandate for this abuse that makes it hard for me to accept your contention that where women suffer in the Islamic world, it is because of a lack of good Islamic understanding.

Women are not treated equally even in death. Men are promised many virgins after they die. What do women get? They get their old lousy husband to share with 72 voluptuous celestial virgins. With that many high-bosomed houries why would any man want to spend a night with an old wife? Do women get also young celestial studs to have orgies with? No they don’t. They have to maintain their “modesty” even after their death. The truth is that in Islam men and women are not treated equally even after their death.

In fact, according to Muhammad few women ever make it to Paradise . The majority of them end up in Hell. Let us see what the Prophet says in this regards. This is where he describes his hallucinatory visit to hell and paradise:

"Then I saw the (Hell) Fire, and I have never before, seen such a horrible sight as that, and I saw that the majority of its dwellers were women." The people asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is the reason for that?" He replied, "Because of their ungratefulness." It was said. "Do they disbelieve in Allah (are they ungrateful to Allah)?" He replied, "They are not thankful to their husbands and are ungrateful for the favors done to them. Even if you do good to one of them all your life, when she seems some harshness from you, she will say, "I have never seen any good from you.' " Bukhari 7.62.125

Raine
01-26-2014, 07:09 AM
You should know that when the Quran distinguishes between the witness of a male and female,

it does not mean that there is a general rule in the Islam in witnessing, a female is worth half a male.

We are not talking about "worth”. We are talking about rights. Value is an abstract thing. How much you value me is irrelevant to me. But I expect you to respect my rights and treat me equally. Values are subjective, rights are tangible and objective. In Islam women are not treated equally. They do not have the same rights that men have. period

Now since we started talking about “worth” I think it is worth mentioning that in Saudi Arabia if a person has been killed or caused to die by another, the latter has to pay blood money or compensation, as follows:

100,000 riyals if the victim is a Muslim man
50,000 riyals if a Muslim woman
50,000 riyals if a Christian man
25,000 riyals if a Christian woman
6,666 riyals if a Hindu man
3,333 riyals if a Hindu woman

Source: The Wall Street Journal, April 9, 2002

So as you see people's worth are not the same in Islam. It depends on their gender and their religion.

Chaya
01-26-2014, 07:50 AM
Men and women in islam are not equal.

in the Quran, men and women have the same spirit, there is no superiority in the spiritual sense between men and women. [Noble Quran 4:1, 7:189, 42:11]
The Quran makes it clear that all human beings (and the phraseology doesn't apply to men or women alone, but to both) have what you might call a human; He
"breathed some of My spirit into divine touch. When God created him"(or her in this sense). [Noble Quran 15:29 See also 32:9]
Some of His spirit here means not in the incarnational sense, but the pure, innate spiritual nature that God has endowed her or him with.
The Quran indicates again that one of the most honored positions of human, is that God created the human, and as I referred to Surah 17 earlier, it means both sexes, as His trustee and representative on earth. There are many references in the Quran that reaffirm this.
Nowhere in the Quran do we find any trace of any notion of blaming Eve for the first mistake or for eating from the forbidden tree. Nowhere, even though the Quran speaks about Adam, Eve, and the forbidden tree, but in a totally different spirit. The story is narrated in 7:19-27, and it speaks about both of them doing this, both of them are told that both of them disobeyed, both of them discovered the consequences of their disobedience, both of them seek repentance and both of them are forgiven. Nowhere in the Quran does it say woman is to be blamed for the fall of man. Furthermore, when the Quran speaks about the suffering of women during the period of pregnancy and childbirth, nowhere does it connect it with the concept of original sin, because there is no concept of original sin in Islam. The suffering is presented not as a reason to remind woman of the fall of man, but as a reason to adore and love woman or the mother. In the Quran, especially 31:14, 46:15, it makes it quite clear God has commanded upon mankind to be kind to parents and mentions,
"His mother bore him in difficulty or suffering upon suffering." [Noble Quran 31:14, 46:15]
The Quran makes it clear again to remove any notion of superiority and I refer you again to 49:13. I must caution you that there are some mistaken translations, but if you go to the original Arabic, there is no question of gender being involved.
In terms of moral, spiritual duties, acts of worship, the requirements of men and women are the same, except in some cases when women have certain concessions because of their feminine nature, or their health or the health of their babies.
The Quran explicitly, in more than one verse, 3:195, 4:124, specified that whoever does good deeds, and is a believer and then specifies "male or female" God will give them an abundant reward.

Anglojew
01-26-2014, 07:51 AM
I'll tell you why.
Noticed that I didn't ask whether they're morally superior or not? Because undoubtedly they're superbly superior to all others. They travel through separate crystal clean dimension highways than the rest of the dirty world. Generally speaking that is.

Nowhere in history of Islam have these Islamic warriors committed masses rapes or even single rapes.

Now if we look at Christian Serbs there's concrete proof they have committed hundreds of thousands of rapes.
Ok you say they did it to Muslim women..
Now let's look at Russians entering Berlin, they committed millions and millions of rapes.

You need more proof?
Americans in Vietnam have committed tens of thousands of rapes.

You need more proof?
India, the world largest democracy known as a anti-Islamic country as well..
Today India is making headlines for a woman walking by herself in the street will risk getting gang banged raped by at least 100 Indian men on broad daylight.

One American girl journalist was held captive by al-Qaeda and she published a best selling book describing how gentlemanly she was treated by these terrorists.

So the moral of this is that even the worst of the worst of Muslims are still morally superior.
And I think portraying Muslims as these monsters that hate and abuse women is just another crime by immoral propagandists.

Bullshit.

Chaya
01-26-2014, 07:51 AM
If a muslim woman can also have 4 husbands

Islam did not introduce polygamy. Unrestricted polygamy was practiced in most human societies throughout the world in every age. Islam regulated polygamy by limiting the number of wives and establishing responsibility in its practice.
Monogamy of the West inherited from Greece and Rome where men were restricted by law to one wife but were free to have as many mistresses among the majority slave population as they wished. In the West today, most married men have extramarital relations with mistresses, girlfriends and prostitutes. Consequently the Western claim to monogamy is false.
Monogamy illogical. If a man wishes to have a second wife whom he takes care of and whose children carry his name and he provides for he is considered a criminal, bigamist, who may be sentenced to years in jail. However, if he has numerous mistresses and illegitimate children his relation is considered legal.
Men created polygamous because of a need in human society. There is normally a surplus of women in most human societies.
1 The surplus is a result of men dying in wars, violent crimes and women outliving men.
2 The upsurge in homosexuality further increases the problem. If systems do not cater to the need of surplus women it will result in corruption in society. Example, Germany after World War II, when suggestions to legalize polygamy were rejected by the Church. Resulting in the legalization of prostitution. German prostitutes are considered as workers like any other profession. They receive health benefits and pay taxes like any other citizen. Furthermore, the rate of marriage has been steadily declining as each succeeding generation finds the institution of marriage more and more irrelevant.
Western anthropologists argue that polygamy is a genetic trait by which the strongest genes of the generation are passed on. Example, the lion king, the strongest of the pack, monopolizes the females thereby insuring that the next generation of lion cubs will be his offspring.
Institutional polygamy prevents the spread of diseases like Herpes and AIDS. Such venereal diseases spread in promiscuous societies where extra-marital affairs abound.
Polygamy protects the interests of women and children in society. Men, in Western society make the laws. They prefer to keep polygamy illegal because it absolves them of responsibility. Legalized polygamy would require them to spend on their additional wives and their offspring. Monogamy allows them to enjoy extra-marital affairs without economic consequence.
Only a minority will practice polygamy in Muslim society. In spite of polygamy being legal in Muslim countries, only 10-15% of Muslims in these countries practice polygamy. Although the majority of men would like to have more than one wife, they cannot afford the expense of maintaining more than one family. Even those who are financially capable of looking after additional families are often reluctant due to the psychological burdens of handling more than one wife. The family problems and marital disputes are multiplied in plural marriages.
Conditions have been added for polygamy in many Muslim countries. For example, in Egypt, the permission of the first wife must first be obtained. This and similar conditions are a result of colonial domination. No woman in her right mind will give her husband permission to take a second wife. Such a condition, in fact, negates the permission given by God in the Quran.
10. Others have accepted polygamy on condition that it not be for "lust". That is, if the wife is ill, or unable to bear children, or unable to fulfill the husband's sexual needs, etc., taking a second wife is acceptable. Otherwise it becomes "lust" on the husband's part and is consequently not acceptable. The reality is that "lust" was involved in the marriage of the first wife. Why is it acceptable in the case of the first and not the second? As has already been pointed out, men are polygamous by nature. To try to curb it by such conditions will only lead to corruption in society.
Feminists may object to this male right by insisting that women should also be able to practice polygamy. However, a woman marrying four husbands would only increase the problem of surplus women. Furthermore, no child would accept his or her mother identifying the father by the "iny miny miney mo" method. The question which remains is, “If God is good and wishes good for His creatures, why did he legislate something which would be harmful to most women?” Divine legislation looks at the society as a whole seeking to maximize benefit. If a certain legislation benefits the majority of the society and causes some emotional harm to a minority, the general welfare of society is given precedence.

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01-26-2014, 07:59 AM
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Chaya
01-26-2014, 08:05 AM
If I ammistaken can you tell me which Islamic country has understood this equality that you talk about and is applying it? the marital relationship in Islam is akin to the relationship of an employer with his employee. A good marriage is one where husband and wife are equal partners in every sense. That is not what happens in Islam. The wife enters in the husband’s household as an employee and can be fired at anytime. All he has to do is to utter 'I divorce you'and the marriage is over.

Women in Islamic countries are often not allowed to work so they do not have money. They receive half of the inheritance of their brothers so fanatically they are in disadvantage. Divorce means assured poverty and extreme hardship. Often death is preferable and the rate of suicide among women is very high. Divorced Muslim women have not even right to the custody of their own children.

Also don't confuse responsibilities with rights. Of course men and women are different, biologically, emotionally, psychologically and in many other ways. Each one has his/her own strength and that is why they form the partnership. In any partnership the partners compliment each other. For example, you put the capital and I put the expertise and the labor and we make a partnership. The reason you and I form the partnership is because each one of us has something the other one does not have but needs.

In a marriage, husband and wife, each contribute according to their capacity and strength. Here we are talking about rights. If you and I form a “partnership”, where you put the money and I put the labor, where you order me and I obey you, where everything is in your name, and if we split you keep everything and I walk away with nothing. Where you have even the right to beat me, this is not partnership. This is slavery, because during the years I worked for you, you paid me no salary. I have no savings. You only maintained me, paid for my food and clothing so I could continue to work for you. And now that I am older, you kick me out and I am entitled to nothing. I can do only one thing and that is pray to Allah to take me away. That is not partnership. That is not even employment. That is slavery.


Clearly, husband and wife have even greater rights and obligations toward each other due to the great

There are some rights which each of the two spouses has over the other. These include:

The right to enjoy each other.

*The right to inherit from each other.

T*he right of confirmation of the lineage of their children.

*The rights of the wife over the husband w

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The rights of the wife over the husband

*The dowry

*Support

*Kind and proper treatment

*Marital relations

*Not to be beaten

*Privacy

*Justice between multiple wives

*To be taught her religion

*Defense of her honor

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The rights of the husband over the wife which we will discuss are:

*Being head of the household

*To be obeyed in all that is not disobedience to Allah

*Marital relations

*That she not allow anyone in the house of whom he disapproves

*That she not leave the house without his permission

*That she cook for him and keep his house (two opinions)

*To be thanked for his efforts

*That she now fast a voluntary fast without his permission

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Rights of the Wife Over the Husband

Dowry (Mahr)


"And give women their dowries as a gift. Then, if they are pleased to give some of it to you, consume it with good health and enjoyment." [Noble Quran 4:4]

The payment of the dowry to the wife is an obligation and a debt upon the husband until he pays it and there is no escaping it unless the wife freely and willingly gives up her right to it.

Support (Nafaqah)

Allah says:

"...And upon the father is the mother's sustenance and her clothing according to what is reasonable. No person shall have a burden on him greater than he can bear..." [Noble Quran 2:233]

Support of one's wife is one of the most important obligations of the husband. It is one of the distinguishing aspects of "husbandhood". Allah said in the Quran:

"Men are in charge of women because of what Allah has given to some more than others and because they support them from their property." [Noble Quran 4:34]

If a husband does not support his wife, she has no obligation to fulfill her obligations to him. If a woman goes to a judge and shows that her husband will not support her, the judge may immediately separate them according to numerous scholars.

Women are absolutely ALLOWED in Islam to pursue business ventures (the Prophet's first wife Khadijah was a major business woman in Makkah), employment and other means of earning money. They are, in fact, needed in various sectors such as women doctors and women teachers. However, facilitating the ability of men to earn a living and support a family is the FIRST priority in an Islamic society. All economic planning and social/economic programs must be in line with this principal.

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Kind and Proper Treatment

Allah says:

"...And consort with your wives in a goodly manner for, if you dislike them, it may well be that you dislike something which Allah makes a source of abundant good." [Noble Quran 4:19]

Commenting on this verse, Ibn Kathir wrote:

"That is, have kind speech for them, deal with them with kind deeds and in a beautiful manner to the best of your ability. In the way that you love that from them, behave in that way towards them. As Allah has said, "They have rights similar to those upon them according to what is right" (2:228). The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said: "The best of you is the best of you to his wives and I am the best of you to my wife." It was from his behavior that he would treat them in a beautiful fashion, with a smiling face. He would sport with his wives, be gentle with them and spend generously upon them. He would laugh with his wives and he even raced Aishah... Every night, he would gather his wives together in the house of the one with whom he (peace and blessings be upon him) was going to spend the night and eat dinner with them on occasion... After he prayed the night prayer, he would enter his house and talk to his wife a little bit before sleeping, making them comforted thereby. And Allah has said:

"You have in the Messenger of Allah the best example." [Noble Quran 33:21]

Part of the problem is Muslims buying into the fantasy world being propagated in television, movies and other media. The hadith about the rib makes it clear that it is rare to find a "perfect wife" and in the same manner, no woman should expect to find the "perfect husband". If one is living in some fantasy world, they are apt to be greatly disappointed with real life.

Physical Relations

In Sahih Ibn Hibban, the following was narrated:

"The wife of 'Uthman ibn Madh'un complained to the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) that her husband had no need for women. During the days he would fast and at night he would pray. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) asked him: "Am I not the best example for you to follow?" He answered: "Certainly, may my father and mother be sacrificed for you." The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) then told him: "As for you, you pray during the night and you fast during the day. Certainly, your wife has a right upon you and your body has a right upon you so pray and sleep and fast and break your fast."

There are several similar incidents narrated where Companions of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) gave similar decisions in similar situations. In one story which took place in the presence of Umar, the Companion who was judging told the husband that since Allah had given him the right to four wives and he had only one that he could practice his praying and fasting three out of four nights, but that at least one in four had to be reserved for his wife.


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Not to be Beaten

It is the right of the Muslim wife that she is not to be struck except in the case of nushuz (rebellion against the husband's authority). Even in that case, the husband is only allowed to "strike" her, but in a way which does no harm, similar to the proper disciplining of a child. It is never lawful for him to strike her face or cause her any bruise or injury. Allah says in the Quran:

"...And (as for) those (women) from whom you anticipate rebellion, admonish them, avoid them in the sleeping place and hit them. If they obey you, do not desire and further way to (harm) them. Surely, Allah is Knowing, Great." [Noble Quran 4:34]

It is incomprehensible how so many translators have translated the word "wadhribuhunna" in the above verse as "beat them" or, even more laughable: "beat them [lightly]". This is wrong, wrong, wrong. It is an abomination which has caused much misunderstanding and opened the door to the enemies of Islam. The word in Arabic means to "strike" or "hit". It includes everything from a tap with a tooth-stick to what in English we call beating. If it is stated that so-and-so "hit" so-and-so without further description, it would be assumed to be a single blow and it could be of any magnitude.

When the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) took a tiny stick and tapped one of the Muslims on the stomach to straighten the ranks in preparation for war, he "hit" him with this meaning. Contrast this to the English phrase: "beat them". The meaning is totally different. If you took a shoe lace and hit someone on the hand with it, you could properly say dharabtahu in Arabic but in English you could never say that you had "beaten" that person. Please get this straight and correct anyone you hear distorting the meaning of this verse in this way.

The verse mentions admonition, boycotting and hitting in the case of nushuz. This refers to a rebellion against the husband's authority within the marriage which amounts to a breach of the marriage contract on her part. Ibn Taimia said about this:

"Nushuz in the verse: "...And (as for) those (women) from whom you anticipate rebellion (nushuz)..." means that she is recalcitrant to her husband and she is estranged to him inasmuch as she does not obey him when he calls her to bed, or she leaves the house without his permission and other similar things in which she is required to obey him."

Many scholars have stated that the three steps must be taken sequentially, i.e., admonition then separation in sleeping and finally hitting, making hitting a last resort only in extreme situations. Thus the vast majority of what men do to their wives in spontaneous fits of rage often over trivial issues is absolutely haram and not sanctioned by Islam in any way. An-Nawawi said about his:

"At the first indication of disobedience to marital authority, a wife should be exhorted by her husband without his immediately breaking off relations with her. When she manifests her disobedience by an act which, although isolated, leaves no doubt to her intentions, he should repeat his exhortations and confine her to the house but without striking her... Only when there are repeated acts of disobedience may a husband strike his wife."

As we said, this can NEVER be a "beating". A husband is never allowed to strike his wife in any way which causes injury or leaves any kind of mark. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said:

"So beware of Allah regarding women for you have taken them as a trust from Allah and you have made their bodies lawful with the word of Allah. You have the right over them that they should not allow anyone on your furnishings who you dislike. If they do that, hit them in a way which causes no injury. And, they have the right over you to provision and clothing according to custom." [Bukhari & Muslim]

Privacy

It is actually the right of both spouses that the other not discuss their private moments with anyone else. Note the following sahih hadith:

"Is there any man among you who goes to his wife, closes the door behind them, covers themselves and conceal themselves by Allah's concealing?" They said: "Yes." He then said: "Then he sits after that [with others] and says, 'I did this and that.'" They were silent. He then turned to the women and said: "Do any of you talk about such things?" They, too, were silent. Then a young girl stood up on her toes so the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) could see her and hear her and she said: "O Messenger of Allah they [the men] certainly talk about that and they [the women] also talk about it." He (peace and blessings be upon him) said: "Do you know what they are like? They are like a female devil who met a male devil in the street and they satisfied their desires with the people looking on." [Abu Daud - Sahih]

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Justice

If a man has more than one wife, he is required to do justice between them in terms of physical things (housing, clothing, food, etc.) and nights spent with each. Allah said:

"And you will not be able to effect justice between the women no matter how hard you try. So do not incline [toward some] completely such that you leave [another] as if suspended. And if you reform and fear Allah, surely Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful." [Noble Quran 4:129]

The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) indicated that there are forms of justice which are required just as there are forms of justice which are beyond human ability. Those which are required are money, housing, clothing and the like as well as nights spent with her. Those beyond human ability are feelings of the heart and things like that. He (peace and blessings be upon him) said:

"O Allah, this is my division in what I control, so do not blame me regarding that which You control and I do not." Abu Daud (some graded it weak, others graded it hassan).

Also, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) warned of the dangers of not fulfilling justice where it is required between wives, saying:

"Whoever has two wives and favors one of them will be resurrected on Qiyama with one of his sides hanging down." [Abu Daud - Sahih]

To Be Taught Her Religion

The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him):

"All of you are shepherds and all of you will be asked about your wards. The ruler is a shepherd and shall be asked about his wards. The man is a shepherd of his family and will be asked about his ward." [Bukhari]

Knowledge in Islam is of two types: 1) that which is obligatory upon each and every Muslim and 2) that which must be learned by some among the Ummah. Of the first type, it is obligatory for every Muslim woman to know her beliefs, how to pray, how to fast, as well as issues particular to woman such as how to purify herself from her monthly course, etc. She must also know her obligations toward parents, her husband (and his obligations toward him), her children, her neighbors, etc. as well as her rights over each of those.

It is the obligation of the husband to make sure that she acquires all the knowledge which it is obligatory for her to acquire. If this means that he has to spend money on books or tapes, then he must do so. The scholars have emphasized the importance of this right of women to the extent that many of them have given her permission to leave the house to attend a lecture at the masjid even without her husband's permission.

It is well-known that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said that seeking knowledge is incumbent upon every Muslim mail and female. Allah said in the Quran:

"O you who believe guard yourselves and your family members from a fire whose fuel is people and stones. Over it are tough and fearsome angels. They do not disobey Allah in any order they carry out that which they are ordered to do." [Noble Quran 66:6]

Part of the meaning of this verse is that the husband/father (the "shepherd" of the household) must take all necessary means to ensure that all those under his guardianship (wives and children) have the opportunity and the means to acquire all the knowledge they need to worship Allah and live their lives as Allah has prescribed that we live our lives. If he has fulfilled that, then he has fulfilled his obligation and will not be asked about the sins of his wife and children. If he fails to fulfill this, then he himself will be asked about their sins and their going astray based on HIS shortcomings in not fulfilling his obligations in this regard.

In another version of the hadith about the "shepherds", the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) continues:

"...until the man will be asked about the people in his household: did he establish among them the law of Allah or did he allow it to become lost?"


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To Defend Her Honor

A man should be "jealous" with regard to his wife's honor and standing. He should defend her whenever she is slandered or spoken ill of behind her back. Actually, this is a right of every Muslim in general but a right of the spouse specifically. He should also be jealous in now allowing other men to look at his wife or speak with her in a manner which is not appropriate. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) mentioned in a sahih hadith that "Three will never enter paradise... ad-dayyuth." Ad-dayyuth (sometimes translated "henpecked") is the weak husband who has no jealousy toward his wife and other men.

"Jealousy" in this sense means fervor for the boundaries of Allah and anger when they are transgressed. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said:

"Verily, Allah has jealousy and the believer has jealousy. Allah's jealousy is due to a believer committing that which He has forbidden him." [Muslim]

This does not mean, however, that a Muslim should go overboard on this point suspecting his wife at every turn and trying to spy on her. This becomes Adh-dhann (suspicion) which the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) warned us about in the following hadith in Bukhari and Muslim:

"Stay away from suspicion for suspicion is the most lying of speech."

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Chaya
01-26-2014, 08:09 AM
Rights of the Husband Over the Wife

Being head of the household

To be obeyed

Physical relations

Control over who enters the house

Wife leaves the house only with his permission

Housework and being served by his wife (two opinions)

To be shown gratitude for his efforts

She does not fast (voluntary) except with his permission

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Being the Head of the Household

"Men are in charge of women by that with which Allah has preferred some of them over others and by that which they spend from their property. So the pious women are obedient protecting in absence that which Allah has protected..." [Noble Quran 4:34]

The verse seems to present a great right of the husband over the wife. Upon deeper thought, it is clear that this verse actually points to a right of the wife and an obligation of the husband. The word for "in charge of" in Arabic indicates also support, protection and responsibility on the part of the husband for his wife. This does not just mean that he is the "boss" or the dictator in the house and whatever he says goes. Rather, it means that he has a heavy obligation to lead his family. Remember the hadith from the previous section, where in one version of the hadith about the "shepherds", the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) continues:

"...until the man will be asked about the people in his household: did he establish among them the law of Allah or did he allow it to become lost?"

Like any kind of leader or ruler, he will be held accountable before Allah Most High: did he make the decision that is most befitting for his family in this life and the hereafter or did he simply follow his desires? Did he do what was just and right or simply do what he liked to do?

In Allah's infinite wisdom, he did not leave the basic foundation of Islamic society - the family - without organization, leadership and guidance. It is clearly upon the husband's shoulders and is his responsibility. It is upon him to fulfill that responsibility in the correct manner.

Likewise, Muslim women must learn to accept this situation and this ruling of Allah Most High. They should resist becoming like the disbelieving women, particularly in the "West", who are trying to take over as head of the household or think that it should be shared equally between the two spouses. The rapid degeneration and disappearance of the institution of marriage since the spreading of this corrupt belief is the clearest proof of all that it is not only against Allah's order and His plan for us, but also against human nature and completely out of touch with reality and unworkable. I believe that the latest figures are that over HALF of the children in the U.S. are being raised in single-parent homes!

Women who follow the kuffar and their own desires in being jealous of the man's role and trying to claim some or all of it for themselves should think about the hadith of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him):

"Allah's Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) cursed manly women."

Again, like all rights and obligations in Islam (in marriage and other areas), it is important that BOTH parties understand them and exert their best efforts to apply them in the way that is pleasing to Allah Most High.

To Be Obeyed

As we saw in the verse from An-Nisa quoted previously, it is the right of the husband that his wife obey him. This obedience, however, does not include anything which is disobedience to Allah. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said:

"No obedience in what is sinful. Obedience is only in what is right." [Muslim & Bukhari]

Two things are now clear: 1) a woman is obligated to obey her husband, and 2) no Muslim may obey anyone in what is disobedience to Allah. Additionally, one strong opinion limits the required obedience of the wife to those duties being described in this chapter. In other words, the husband should not seek to control every detail of her life, even in things which have no direct impact on his rights as her husband.

What happens if there is a conflict between obeying one's husband and obeying one's parents? Scholars have taken two opinions on this matter. One that obedience to the husband always takes precedence over obedience to parents. Others have taken the position that obedience to one's parents takes precedence since Allah has described being undutiful to one's parents as one of the greatest sins after associating partners with Allah.

First of all, it is clear that the obligation of every Muslim toward their parents is very great just as the obligation of a Muslim wife to respect and obey her husband is very great. Parents should be aware that they have entered their daughter into a contract which requires her to obey her husband. Likewise, husbands should be aware of the fact that their wives have a great obligation toward their parents. When these two come into conflict, someone is probably not acting properly.

When the two do come into conflict, it seems clear that the strongest opinion is that the rights of the husband take precedence over the rights of her parents, as in the following hadith from Aishah:

"I asked the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him): Who has the greatest right over a woman? He (peace and blessings be upon him) said: Her husband. I said: And who has the greatest right over a man? He (peace and blessings be upon him) said: His mother." [Al-Hakim - taken from Fiqh As-Sunnah]

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Physical Relations

It is the obligation of the wife to respond whenever her husband calls her to come to bed unless there is a strong reason why she cannot. Again, like in the issue of leadership, this is the way which Allah has given us to live which is best for us - since nothing we do or do not do cannot in any way harm or benefit Allah Most High. Thus, when women resist this and insist on being the ones who call the shots in this regard or that it is somehow 50/50, it is only the two of them who will suffer. It will lead to frustration, marital discord and the husband's desire to seek fulfillment of his needs elsewhere. If he ends up turning to the haram, then a very great harm indeed has been inflicted upon society. This point is clear from many hadith, among them:

"Whenever a man calls his wife for his desire, let her come to him even if she is occupied at the oven." [At-Tirmidhi - Sahih]

Thus, a wife must be responsive to her husband even if that involves the wasting of some wealth (by burning the bread). Because the social consequences of this breaking down are so serious, so the danger to a woman who fails to respect it is very serious. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said:

"Whenever a man calls his wife to bed and she refuses to come, the angels curse her until morning." [Al-Bukhari]]

Even extra acts of prayer and fasting must be curtailed if that interferes with a man's desire for his wife's company.

Control Over Who Enters the House

It is established from many hadith that the wife is not to allow anyone inside if she knows that her husband does not like for that person to be in the house (male or female). This is the second right of the husband over the wife, as the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) mentioned in the hadith:

"...And that she should not admit anyone to his house except with his permission..." [Muslim & Bukhari]

The permission referred to here does not have to be explicit for every individual. If the wife knows or has good reason to believe that her husband would not object to a particular individual, then she may allow them into the house.

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That She Not Leave the House Without His Permission

The best place for a Muslim woman is in her house. When Allah addressed the wives of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) and ordered them (and, by extension, all of the Muslim women) to remain primarily in their homes, he associated the desire of women to be "out" and to display themselves with the jahiliya (the age of foolishness):

"And stay in your homes and do not display yourselves like the ways of the time of ignorance. And establish the prayer, pay the zakat and obey Allah and His Messenger..." [Noble Quran 33:33]

The scholars of tafsir state that, although the verse is explicitly directed at the wives of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), the general principle applies to all Muslim women and wives in particular - that they should not leave the house except for a legitimate purpose such as going to the masjid, seeking knowledge, shopping for household needs, etc. and that if they are married, they may not do that except with their husband's permission. This is a point of very wide agreement among the scholars, although there doesn't seem to be any clear and sound hadith which states it. Although the following hadith VERY strongly indicates that this is the case:

"If the wife of any of you seeks permission to go to the masjid, he may not prevent her." [Muslim & Bukhari]

As with any right which a person may possess, this right should be used in the right fashion and not be misused such that it leads to harm and distress. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: "No inflicting of harm and no reciprocating of harm." A contemporary author, Faihan Al-Mutairi said about this:

"If a man disallows his wife from leaving the house, out of fear and honor for her, then he must not let her feel that she is a prisoner in the house and that she was only created to serve him and serve the children. Instead, he must choose a day out of the week, or less or more, according to the need and ability, to walk with his wife and children in a place that is free of temptations so that they may become happy in their hearts and out of fear of boredom. The one who studies Shari'a finds this aspect to be very clear, that is, the aspect of one sporting with his wife and trying to make her happy. The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) went out with his wife, the Mother of the Believers, Aishah and raced with her. It is confirmed that Aishah said: "The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) raced with me and I beat him. After a while when I became heavier, he raced me and beat me and said: This one is for that one."

So those Muslims who expect their wives to stay in the house 24 hrs. per day and 7 days per week are not truly following the sunnah. Rather, they have invented an innovation which will only serve to drive women and children away from Islam.

Housework

The rights which have been stated so far are non-controversial and agreed upon among the scholars. The duty of the wife to take care of housework such as cooking, cleaning and generally serving her husband in the house is an issue about which there are different opinions. Definitely, this is and has always been the custom of the Muslims, all the way back to the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) and his Companions. It is part of the ihsan (good treatment) which should be exchanged between husband and wife. That is not quite the same, however, as saying that it is the husband's right. If that is the case, then she would be committing a sin if she failed to fulfill it.

Clearly, the safe way is the way of all of the female Companions of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) who used to serve their husbands in this regard. If they had servants to help them, fine. If not, they used to handle the housework, cooking and cleaning. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) himself, our best example in this regard, used to help his wives with these chores.

There are many scholars on both sides of this issue as to the obligatoriness of these services. The strongest argument that they are is the following hadith of Husain ibn Muhsin that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) asked his aunt if she was married. When she answered in the affirmative, he said:

"How are you with respect to him?" She answered: 'I do not fail in obeying him save in those things that I am incapable of doing.' The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) told her: "Look to how you are with respect to him for he is your paradise and your hell-fire." [Ahmad & others (acceptable according to Al-Albani]

Al-Albani states that this hadith is proof that a woman must serve her husband according to her ability, the first of such obligations is the bringing up of the children.

To Be Thanked for His Actions

Gratitude is one of the most important characteristics of a believer. A Muslim is grateful both to Allah for His infinite mercies and also to people who do well by him/her. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said:

"The most grateful people to Allah Blessed and High are the most thankful of them to others." [Ahmad]

"Those who do not thank people do not thank Allah." [Abu Daud & others]

Although it is an obligation of the husband to look after his wife, this does not mean that she should not be thankful to him for his kindness and his efforts in looking after her welfare and happiness. This is something fundamental which should exist between husband and wife. Each of them should acknowledge the efforts of the other, show them gratitude and repay them in kindness. Allah said:

"Is the reward for good deeds extended anything other than good deeds (returned)." [Noble Quran 55:60]

It would seem from various hadith that it is specifically necessary for the wife to remind herself of this principle. Perhaps since a large part of the husband's contribution to the household takes place as working outside of the home, she may tend to overlook it. This seems to be a common characteristic of women as can be seen in the following hadith of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) after his night journey to see heaven, hell and Jerusalem:

"...and I saw most of its inhabitants (i.e., hell-fire) women. They said: Why, O Messenger of Allah? He said: Because of their kufr. It was said: Their kufr toward Allah? He (peace and blessings be upon him) said: Their kufr toward their mate and they commit kufr (ingratitude) of good deeds extended even if you extend good deeds to one of them forever but then she sees something from who (which she dislikes) she says: I have never seen any good from you." [Muslim & Bukhari]

In another hadith, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) warns wives in a similar manner:

"Allah does not look at a woman who does not thank her husband while she cannot do without him." [Al-Hakim (acceptable per Sh. Al-Albani)]

http://i.imgur.com/wSx4B2b.gif

She Does Not Fast (Voluntary) Without His Permission

The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said:

"It is not lawful for a woman to fast while her husband is resident except with his permission." [Muslim & Bukhari]

Conclusion: The Importance of Fulfilling the Husband's Rights

The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) gave an all-encompassing advice to Muslim women in the following hadith:

"When any woman prays her five, fasts her month, guards her body and obeys her husband it is said to her: Enter paradise from whichever of its doors you wish." [Ibn Hibban (sahih per Al-Albani)]

http://i.imgur.com/wSx4B2b.gif

Chaya
01-26-2014, 08:11 AM
Plateau,You must educate yourself :)

Chaya
01-26-2014, 08:14 AM
http://muslimrapewave.wordpress.com

http://www.barenakedislam.com/2013/08/13/rape-jihad-is-religionethnicity-relevant-in-cases-involving-muslim-rapists/

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/01/syrian-muftis-aide-gives-army-permission-to-rape-female-captives/

http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/jihad.htm
lol, also non-Muslim sources

Anglojew
01-26-2014, 08:23 AM
lol, also non-Muslim sources

Muslim sources are full of taqiyya.

You're the microrobert of dawa

Nabatea1
01-26-2014, 08:26 AM
Muslim sources are full of taqiyya.

You're the microrobert of dawa

Taqiyya is a Shia concept, Sunni Islam does not have it, and Zaidi Shias reject it completely despite being Shias.

silver_surfer
01-26-2014, 08:38 AM
Yes, Islam do permits Muslims ... who are living under imminent and serious danger of persecution, to deny they are Muslims publicly and to practice Islam secretly. Proper Taqiyya is permissible in Islam, but it is not an obligation and it is not a virtue. While in Shiism, Taqiyya is a an obligation, a praised virtue, and an important doctrine in Shiism. In Islam, Taqiyya is permitted as a means for individual Muslims, living in exceptional conditions of persecution, to protect their lives. However, proper Islamic Taqiyya does not allow Muslims to twist the beliefs of Islam. More specifically, that means a Muslim should not write a book about Islam and twist or lie about the beliefs of Islam under the excuse of Taqiyya. Proper Taqiyya does not allow him to do so. The Shia have taken this permission and mis-applied it.

Chaya
01-26-2014, 08:44 AM
However, proper Islamic Taqiyya does not allow Muslims to twist the beliefs of Islam. More specifically, that means a Muslim should not write a book about Islam and twist or lie about the beliefs of Islam under the excuse of Taqiyya. Proper Taqiyya does not allow him to do so. The Shia have taken this permission and mis-applied it.
Assalamu alaikum wr-wb bro! May Allah Bless u.. :)

blogen
01-26-2014, 09:01 AM
They have God, real God, a living God. Their god is more stronger and valuable at the peoples, since they kill for their god and they do not destroy their god than the western ones. The westerners destroyed their god with disrespect, they did not believe it longer that god's word is more valuable than the human life. The Muslims prove it with the bloodshed that their god exists and powerful. And morals need solid belief, this is it. Everybody know it: If God is with us, then who is against us!

justme
01-26-2014, 12:19 PM
Woooow typical ignorant people...
Muslims treat their women well... If anyone disagrees then we can also say Christians treat their women unfairly too as well.

Hrulj
01-26-2014, 05:14 PM
Lol muslims always trying to go out their way to make their religion look good, btw no muslim countries has Nuclear weapons(maybe turkey?)

Uneducated balija strikes again. Pakistan has them. And who goes out of their way. Islam is perfect ;)

Krajisnik
01-26-2014, 05:21 PM
Uneducated balija strikes again. Pakistan has them. And who goes out of their way. Islam is perfect ;)
jebem ti nanu

Ukko
01-26-2014, 05:28 PM
I would like to see an intensive study about what makes Albanians like this, it is facinating.
They could be some ancient species like they claim, what are their brain dimensions on average?

Hrulj
01-26-2014, 05:29 PM
jebem ti nanu

Sta je balidzane, smanjile se bale za vlasima i skutorima pa sada mozes progovorit :laugh:

Empecinado
01-26-2014, 05:33 PM
No, they aren't. As Pio Baroja said: "hypocrisy is a characteristic of those strong and strictly hierarchical societies".

Arianiti
01-26-2014, 06:28 PM
Nowhere in history of Islam have these Islamic warriors committed masses rapes or even single rapes.

Now if we look at Christian Serbs there's concrete proof they have committed hundreds of thousands of rapes.
Ok you say they did it to Muslim women..
Now let's look at Russians entering Berlin, they committed millions and millions of rapes.

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If you compare Orthodox Slavs and Orthodox Albanians there is total difference. I think it is related to genes as well not only to religion.

Slavs have no war ethic. I believe that a true Christian would never rape a woman either. I have to admit it though I am not in favor of religions.

RussiaPrussia
01-26-2014, 06:32 PM
I'll tell you why.
Noticed that I didn't ask whether they're morally superior or not? Because undoubtedly they're superbly superior to all others. They travel through separate crystal clean dimension highways than the rest of the dirty world. Generally speaking that is.

Nowhere in history of Islam have these Islamic warriors committed masses rapes or even single rapes.

Now if we look at Christian Serbs there's concrete proof they have committed hundreds of thousands of rapes.
Ok you say they did it to Muslim women..
Now let's look at Russians entering Berlin, they committed millions and millions of rapes.

You need more proof?
Americans in Vietnam have committed tens of thousands of rapes.

You need more proof?
India, the world largest democracy known as a anti-Islamic country as well..
Today India is making headlines for a woman walking by herself in the street will risk getting gang banged raped by at least 100 Indian men on broad daylight.

One American girl journalist was held captive by al-Qaeda and she published a best selling book describing how gentlemanly she was treated by these terrorists.

So the moral of this is that even the worst of the worst of Muslims are still morally superior.
And I think portraying Muslims as these monsters that hate and abuse women is just another crime by immoral propagandists.

Saudi Arabian Muslim men gang rape three year old Girl (http://www.examiner.com/article/saudi-arabian-muslim-men-gang-rape-three-year-old-girl)

Arianiti
01-26-2014, 06:32 PM
I know there are Catholic Women practicing religion that would never sleep with anyone before marriage. ;)

RussiaPrussia
01-26-2014, 06:35 PM
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?80187-quot-British-quot-Muslim-Sex-Predator-Rapist-Pedophile-Grooming-Gang-Thread&highlight=rape+gang

also

Skerdilaid
01-26-2014, 06:35 PM
I will not include Balkan Muslims in this groups, as they always were more traditional then religious, but for the rest I would Nuke them..

Skerdilaid
01-26-2014, 06:41 PM
They have God, real God, a living God. Their god is more stronger and valuable at the peoples, since they kill for their god and they do not destroy their god than the western ones. The westerners destroyed their god with disrespect, they did not believe it longer that god's word is more valuable than the human life. The Muslims prove it with the bloodshed that their god exists and powerful. And morals need solid belief, this is it. Everybody know it: If God is with us, then who is against us!

Exactly! Be like them and go back to middle ages?:D

The Illyrian Warrior
01-26-2014, 06:50 PM
I do believe Muslim have more morality code than Christians had throughout history....Pedophilia is symbol how people look at Holy See nowadays, and God knows how many bizarre scandals are kept secret there.

Arianiti
01-26-2014, 06:53 PM
Forbidden marriage for clerics is where Catholicism fails. Can you imagine a genius guy like Father Fishta to not have successors? What a fucking shame. :mad:

Leliana
01-26-2014, 06:54 PM
Muslims morally superior? The opposite is true: Muslims have no morals. It's an implication of their venomous faith. The day one commits himself or herself to Islam and the lunacy of Mohammed's insane antics, he/she chooses to abandon all proper and decent morals & virtues.

'Islam' and 'Morals' are incompatible. If Islam teaches anything then it's the antithesis of morals.

'Allah', the malicious moon deity, is a creation of Mohammed, a man who was a pedophilian, an oath- and contract breaker, a warmonger, a murderer, a schizophrenic 'voice'hearer, a deceiver and a brutal liar.

All believing Muslims have said or stick to the Islamic commitment of faith, the 'Shahadah'. And all who believe in the Shahadah lower themselves to the barbarian and vicious level of Mohammed himself. And that's exactly what Muslim people have brought to the world ever since the days of Muhammed the Insane: War, crime, bloodshed, misery, domination, oppression and deception. :stop

Just but a few examples of 'harmony' that the despicable Muslim horde has brought to the world since the days of Mohammed:



632: (467 years before the Christian Crusades): Muhammad's death. At the time of the death of Mohammed, Islam dominated over large parts of the Arabian peninsula through military campaigns. These campaigns were continued after his death and turned the whole of the Mediterranean for centuries into a permanent theater of war.

635: (464 years before the Christian Crusades): A Muslim army conquered Damascus which belonged to the Christian Byzantine Empire, the Syrian capital of the Christian people. Immediately begins forced islamization. This means that non-Muslims must pay a poll tax, and are practically deprived of all rights and protection. Only those who collaborated (converted) will be spared.

636: Battle of Kadesia. Conquest of Mesopotamia, including the Sassanid capital of Ctesiphon. Immediately after the victory of violence begin widespread looting. Caliph Umar was at the conquest as a means of Zwangsislamisierung the large library of Madain (comparable to the library at Alexandria) burned, and later sought the Mohammedan fanaticism to destroy all the ancient writings, where he was their only lay hands on.

637: A Muslim army conquered Jerusalem which belonged to the Byzantine Empire. Immediately begins forced islamization. Churches and synagogues are looted or razed, male inhabitants killed, raped and enslaved women and children. Priests are sometimes crucified.

640: conquest and pillage of Cairo. Almost the entire male population is massacred, raped and enslaved women and children. The ancient library of Cairo goes up in flames. The forced islamization begins immediately.

642: A Muslim army conquered Alexandria which belonged to the Byzanzine Empire, the capital of Christian Egypt.

642: decisive battle at Hamadan (Ekbetana) against the Sassanid Empire. Large parts of present-day Iran fall into the hands of the Muslim conquerors. The magnificent Ekbetana, probably the oldest city in the world is almost completely destroyed. Irreplaceable art and cultural treasures will be lost. Immediately begin extensive criminal actions, looting, enslavement and Zwangsislamisierung that are not completed until around the year 900.

645: A Muslim army conquered the Christian Barka in North Africa (Lybia) and destroyed the ancient Greco-Roman city completely. The inhabitants are closed to slavery.

650: The last areas of the Kingdom of Armenia to be overrun, looted and forcibly Islamized.

652: An attack Muslim pirates (corsairs) on the island of Sicily, is defeated. The coastal villages but lie in ruins. Many residents are dead or enslaved.

667: More attacks Muslim pirates (corsairs) on the island of Sicily on the agenda, but are repulsed. Coastal villages and churches have become more and more attached. Nevertheless, residents are trafficked again.

674: A Muslim attack on Constantinople (capital of the Christian Byzantine Empire and seat of the Christian emperor) is blocked.

700: The Italian island of Pantelleria is conquered by Muslim and enslaved the population. The island is becoming a Muslim pirates nest.

708: The Muslim campaign for the conquest of Christian North Africa, the Atlantic coast. On his march all the towns and villages of North Africa were looted and burned. More than 50% of all inhabitants of North Africa at the end of the campaign dead millions are raped, tortured and enslaved.

708: Sicily was conquered by Muslims in the short term but can be shocked with heavy losses and devastation.

710: The Conquest of the last Christian city in North Africa, the entire formerly Christian North Africa is under Islamic rule. Almost all of the 400 Christian bishoprics in North Africa go down. North Africa was a once flourishing Christian world, the major theologian of Christian antiquity has produced: Tertullian, Cyprian, Athanasius, Augustine.

711: Muslim armies cross the Straits of Gibraltar and invade Europe. Beginning of the conquest of the Iberian Peninsula (now Spain and Portugal). Immediately begins the basic Zwangsislamisierung the conquered territories. The poll taxes are higher and the body tougher penalties than anywhere else under the iron boot of Islam.

711: Qutaiba ibn Muslim begins on behalf of the Arab Umayyad rulers of Khorasan from the submission of Transoxiana. He conquered the major cities of Samarkand and Bukhara, which are completely looted and almost depopulated. The survivors end up in slavery or forced to be Islamized. Also, Khorezm and Ferghana valley are subjected.

711: desecration of the Temple Mount, located at the Basilica of Santa Maria al-Aqsa Mosque (the "distant") by Abd al-Walid. Today, this mosque is the third most important in Islam because Muhammad had prayed there on his "heavenly journey", although he was buried at that time already 79 years in Medina. This magnificent church was originally built by Emperor Justinian (527-565). For Islam means the conversion of a famous church at the same time always triumph over Christianity. And myth-making in this ideology are more important than historical facts.

712: The conquest of southern Spain is finished. The North African slave markets of Europe burst of slaves.

712: Muslim conquerors reach the borders of China and India. Behind them (so contemporary chroniclers) are all captured territories in flames soon take the Arabs also first incursions into Sindh. Flows from slave to reach the markets of the Middle East.

713: The Arabs conquer Barcelona, ​​beyond the Pyrenees, beginning with the conquest of southern France. Approximately ninety years after Muhammad's death Muslim armies are (not Muslim missionaries!) In the Christian kingdom of the Franks (now France).

717: A Muslim attack on Constantinople (capital of the Christian Byzantine Empire and seat of the Christian emperor) is blocked. On the retreat of the Islamic Army, the lands east of the Bosporus are razed, the inhabitants carried off into slavery.

720: The Arabs capture Narbonne in southern France and lay siege to Toulouse. The campaign is less than the Zwangsislamisierung the robbery and the procurement of slaves.

720: Another attempt to land troops on Muslim Sicily where it comes to extended battles and devastation.

731: Marauding break through Islamic armies in the south of France. From Dijon to Sens, near the Loire, and Langres and Luxeuil them is in fact the whole of France south of the Loire in the hands.

732: defensive battle near Tours and Poitiers (today France): European victory of the armies of the Muslim armies. The Muslims will be thrown back behind the Pyrenees, ravaged and plundered in retreat nor the surrounding area and can result in thousands of prisoners into slavery. But they retain much of the Iberian Peninsula (now Spain and Portugal) in its possession.

735: Muslims attack again in the south of France with strong armies. Although they fail to target cities and countries to conquer, but all residents are to fall into their hands, enslaved, raped women and children also.

751: In the Battle of Talas, a Muslim Arab army defeated the first time a Chinese army.

810: Islamic troops occupy Corsica and use it from now on as a base for attacks on the southern coast of France.

831: Muslim forces conquer and pillage in the Sicilian city of Palermo.

832: Muslim units attacked and plundered Marseilles, where large quantities of goods and slaves are captured.

835: From Sicily the Muslims set on the mainland and devastate Calabria.

838: Muslim forces attacked again south of France and the Rhone valley to plunder.

840: Taranto and Bari fell into the hands of Muslim invaders. Both cities are looted and burned most severely. Thousands fall into slavery.

840: The Benevento is under Frankish protection is occupied by Muslim invaders.

841: Brindisi falls after heavy fighting in the hands of Muslim invaders.

841: Capua (Campania / Italy), after a short siege completely destroyed and looted.

843: Muslim forces conquer and pillage in the Sicilian city of Messina.

843: Arab conquest attempts fail to Rome. The city and region are looted or burnt down, captured and enslaved the population.

848: In August, the city of Ragusa in Sicily was plundered and destroyed by the Arabs, had in spite of the fact (according to Ibn al-Athir), concluded that the residents peace with the Arabs, and they left the city.

848: Muslim units attacked and plundered Marseilles, the region is devastated. Slaves and hostages are taken.

851-852: The short freed Benevento (Campania / Italy) is again occupied by the Muslims. The occupying forces sent to a bloodbath among the population.

856: Arab invaders attacked and destroyed the Cathedral of Canossa in Apulia. The city was looted and taken slaves.

859: Muslim forces attacked and plundered again in southern France.

868: The Arabs conquered the city of Ragusa in Sicily, finally.

870: The Arabs conquered the island of Malta and destroy the existing 700 years unbroken Christian culture.

878: Muslim forces conquer and pillage in the Sicilian city of Syracuse.

880: Muslim forces conquer and plunder Nice.

882: Muslim invaders built at the mouth of the Garigliano between Naples and Rome, a base from which they attacked from Campania and Lazio in Sabinia.

888: Muslim forces set up in Provence with a new bridge Fraxinetum head of the Spanish Moors are assumed. From there they make depredations in the West to Arles (the capital of the Kingdom of Burgundy) and along the Rhone to Avignon, Vienne (near Lyon) and Grenoble.

902: Muslim forces conquer and pillage in the Sicilian town of Taormina.

911: The bishop of Narbonne is not able to get from France to Rome, because Muslims have occupied the Alpine passes. Highway robbery, enslavement and looting are commonplace.

918: Muslim forces conquer and pillage of Sicily from the lying on the adjacent mainland in Reggio Calabria.

920: offending Muslims from Spain across the Pyrenees, ravaged unchecked Gascony and Toulouse threatened.

934: Genoa and La Spezia were attacked by Muslims, looted and burned.

935: Genoa and La Spezia are again attacked by Muslims, looted and burned.

939: Muslim hordes to the north come over to Geneva to the Swiss Alpine passes. The city is robbed and taken slaves.

942: Muslim forces marched through scorching and killing of southeastern France and northern Italy to offend.

942: Nice is attacked by Muslims, looted and burned.

952-960: On the basis of the Alpine passes to conquer Muslim troops for nearly eight years in Switzerland. They looted and destroyed in the ensuing years, the Valais, Grisons and parts of eastern Switzerland. Between 952 and 960, the Arabs dominated after the Battle of Orbe, in large parts of southern and western Switzerland, including the Great St. Bernard Pass in the northeast and pushed well up in front of St. Gallen, in the southeast to Pontresina.

942-965: Muslim forces conquered the Duchy of Savoy.

906-972: Muslim troops conquer Provence.

964: Muslim forces conquer and pillage of Sicily from the mainland, lying on the Rometta.

979-988: Sebük ​​Tegin declared "holy war" against the Hindu Schahis whose Djaypal King (965-1001), he defeated 979 and 988th All strongholds within Afghanistan to the Indian border to fall into the hands of his Muslim warriors.

997 - 1029: Mahmud of Ghazni alone leads to India 17 campaigns.

1002: Bari is conquered by Arabs and destroyed again.

1002: Genoa is conquered by Arabs and looted.

1004: Pisa was conquered by Arabs and looted.

1009: Caliph Al-Hakim ordered the systematic destruction of all Christian shrines in Jerusalem. Even the Holy Sepulcher, including the Holy Sepulchre was destroyed.

1018: Mahmud of Ghazni conquered the Indian city of Mathura, killing 50,000 of their inhabitants and enslaved the rest

1025: Mahmud of Ghazni conquered the Indian city Somnat, killing 50,000 of their inhabitants and enslaved the rest

1070: The Seljuks, a Turkish nomadic people from Central Asia, which in the 10th Century AD. had converted to Islam, giving it control over Jerusalem. The peaceful pilgrimage to the holy sites of Christians is increasingly hindered.

1071: Battle of Manzikert - a Christian Byzantine army was defeated by a Muslim army. The Muslim Seljuk Turks conquered the heartland of the Christian Byzantine Empire, Asia Minor.

1194: The Muslim general Aibak captured the Indian city of Patan Anahilwar kill 50,000 of their inhabitants and enslaved another 20,000.

1095: The Christian Byzantine Emperor Alexius I Comnenus sends an embassy to Pope Urban II with the request for military assistance. At the Synod of Clermont, the Crusade will be decided.
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1099-1293:
After nearly four hundred and seventy years of Islamic expansion by the sword begin two centuries of the Christian Crusades.
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1202: The Muslim general Aibak captured the city Kalinjar Indian and enslaved 50,000 of their residents.

1206: Sultanate of Delhi. General Qutb-ud-Din Aibak by assassination of the ruler takes power in the country on the Indus and founded the so-called Slave Dynasty (1206-1290) The entire country is forced Islamized. The Sultanate comes later as "bankruptcy" of the Islamic Mughal empire also.

1389: Battle of Kosovo Field: A Christian army of Serbs, Bosnians, Bulgarians, beaten by a Muslim army is devastating. The Balkans are Muslim Christian vassals.

1453: Conquest of Constantinople (now Istanbul), the center of the Eastern Roman Empire and the Orthodox Church. The Christian emperor falls in battle. End of the Christian Byzantine Empire.

1479: Ottoman forces conquered after heavy fighting, the Venetian island of Euboea. A large proportion of the population is massacred, the survivors sold into slavery.

1480: A Muslim army conquered Otranto in Italy. Reconquest in 1481 by a Christian army.

1492: After the Spaniards had reconquered in 1492 by Granada, the last Muslim kingdom in western Europe, settled in Spain fled from the Moors in North Africa. Together with local Muslims and Arabs, they began equipping large fleets and started from its base in North Africa as a permanent war against pirates, Christian Europe, especially its waterways and coastlines. The raids of the Muslim corsairs led during the next four centuries, to the coasts of Flanders, Denmark, Ireland and even Iceland, where they kidnapped from coastal towns and cities inhabitants and later sold as slaves. The most frequent target of slave raids, however, the coasts of Italy, Spain and Portugal.

1499 - 1503: Turkish units penetrate into Friuli in northern Italy and even threaten Vicenza. The Apulian port of Otranto (about 100 kilometers southeast of Brindisi) is conquered and expanded a bridgehead for further plunder and war moves.

1521: A Muslim army conquered Belgrade.

1526: Battle of Mohacs - a Christian army is defeated by a Muslim army. Muslim armies conquered most of Hungary and threatening Vienna.

1526: The city of Ragusa (now Dubrovnik) is conquered by Ottoman troops. What follows are looting, rape and Zwangsislamisierung or slavery.

1526 - 1530: Mughal emperor Babur conquered starting from the area of ​​present-day Uzbekistan, Afghanistan and the Sultanate of Delhi and the Indian heartland around the north Indian Indo-Gangetic plain and the cities of Delhi, Agra and Lahore. 100 to 150 million people fall into the clutches of the Muslim usurper.

1529: The first siege of Vienna failed by a Muslim army. On the rise but go the cities Bratislava and Komarno (now Bratislava) in flames. The whole surrounding country are devastated. But thousands of Muslim fall into captivity and stopping at the slave markets of Istanbul.

1534: With a total of 84 galleys to attack and pillage Muslim pirates, the southern west coast of Italy to Reggio starting northward through the Tyrrhenian sea to Sperlonga, then loaded with thousands of slaves and immense booty to go to Istanbul.

1537: Muslim pirates conquer the Venetian islands of Naxos, Kasos, Karpathos and Tinos.

1543: Muslim Barbary pirates besieged and plundered the city of Nice.

1544: Chair ad-Din invades the island of Ischia (off the coast of Italy), taking 4000 hostages (which are only released for ransom) and further enslaves 9,000 inhabitants (almost the entire rest of the population).

1551: Turgut Reis enslaved the entire population of the Maltese island of Gozo. There are 5,000 - 6,000 people sold to the Libyan slave markets.

1554: Muslim pirates attacked the Italian town of Vieste. The city was looted, and there are 7,000 - 10 000 made slaves to be sold in the markets of Istanbul.

1555: Turgutreis Bastia on Corsica falls. He enslaved 6000-7000, the Libyan people in the slave markets to be sold. At the retreat, he makes many coastal villages in flames.

1558: Pirates of the Barbary Coast to conquer the city of Ciutadella (Minorca). They destroy all the buildings, taking 3,000 slaves (sold in Istanbul) and otherwise kill off the entire city.

1563: Turgut Reis landed on the coast of the province of Grenada (Spain). He conquered and plundered all the coastal towns. Including Almuñecar, 4000 where he took slaves and massacred a much larger number. In subsequent years, the Balearic Islands are attacked so often that eventually the entire coast are attached with watchtowers and fortified churches must. Formentera islands are completely depopulated slavery, massacre and flight.

1565: The siege of Malta began by an Ottoman army on 18 May and lasted until the withdrawal of troops on 8 September 1565th Here, the island was almost completely destroyed, fired the fortifications to rubble and killed over 42,000 soldiers and civilians.

1658 - 1707: Südexpansion of the Mughal Empire and Zwangsislamisierung the conquered territories.

1609 - 1616: England alone lost 466 merchant ships (15000-40000 people) to the Muslim Barbary pirates. The crews are massacred or end up in slavery.

1617 - 1625: the Berber pirate attacks are rampant. Attacks occur in southern Portugal, southern and eastern Spain, the Balearic Islands, Iceland, Sardinia, Corsica, Elba, the Italian peninsula (especially in Liguria, Tuscany, Lazio, Campaigns, Calabria and Puglia) more than the case and raids (including rape and enslavement to happen) to Sicily and Malta. Major attacks in the correct format campaigns directed against the Iberian Peninsula. These attacks of Berber pirates are the cities Bouzas, Cangas, Moaña and Darbo victim.

1627: Iceland is repeatedly plundered by Turkish pirates and sold a large proportion of the population as slaves on the Barbary Coast. Those who resist are herded into a church and burned alive.

1631: Murat Reis falls over with Algerian pirates, and even regular Ottoman troops Ireland. They storm the coast near Baltimore (County of Cork). They pillage and plunder the entire city, taking nearly all the inhabitants of Baltimore as slaves and sell them to the slave markets of the Barbary Coast. Only two return home alive.

1677 - 1680: An additional 160 British merchant ships (8000-20000 people) are captured by Algerian Muslim pirates, the crew massacred or enslaved.

1683: The second siege of Vienna failed by a Muslim army. In advance of the Ottoman army surrounding countries go up in flames. All the villages are looted and completely depopulated (enslavement), if the inhabitants had not already fled. The retreating Ottomans left behind only scorched earth.

1700 - 1750: About 20,000 European prisoners (not slaves) burn in Algerian prisons, awaiting ransom. This includes not only the Mediterranean but also Danish, German, British, Swedish and even Icelanders.

1822: On the islands of Chios and Psara kill off the Turks and Greeks 50 000 enslave another 50,000.

1842 - 1846: murder of 10,000 Christian Assyrians by the Turks.

1894 - 1896: murder of 150,000 Armenian Christians by the Turkish Sultan Abdul Hamid.

1914 - 1923: Genocide in 300000-730000 Greeks by the Turks, especially in the northern Turkish-Pontus region.

1915 - 1918: Genocide of the Armenians. The Islamic government of Turkey uses the chaos of the first World War II to the extinction of the Christian Armenians. 1.5 to 2 million Armenians slaughtered in death marches, camps and local massacres. In addition, 750 000 Christian Assyrians in Iraq are killed by the Turks.

1922: The massacre of Izmir are 25 000 Christians (Armenians and Greeks), murdered, sold 200,000.

1933: The murder massacre Simmele / Iraq's Christian Assyrians, Turks, 3000.

1955: "Istanbul Pogrom" (plus Izmir and Ankara), supposedly only 15 deaths, property damage up to 500 million U.S. dollars, the exodus of some 100,000 Greeks from Turkey (This left 2,500).

1955 - 2011: Almost 50 years of the independence war of the Christian southern Sudan last colonial power against the Islamic northern Sudan, which slaughters about 2 million Southern Sudanese civilians. Around 1,400 years was the hunting ground south of Arab slavers.

1969: Illegal peoples of West Papua annexation by Indonesia, followed by Zwangsislamisierung and serious human rights violations against the indigenous people to this day - and tolerated by the UN renamed the country in Irian Jaya. Military kidnap and murder of 100,000 people and are actively involved in the illegal logging that is destroying the habitat of the indigenous population. With a large population resettlement is now part Indonesian. 2003, the province of Papua Barat against the will of the Papuans of West Papua is separated.

1974: Assassination of 4,000 Christian Cypriots on behalf of the Turkish President Fahri Koroturk.

1988: The attack on an American aircraft by Libyan agents 270 people died in Lockerbie, Scotland.

1990 to date: In Kashmir were still around 10,000 Hindus by fundamentalists murdered orc.

1993: In Sivas in Turkey, a hotel was set on fire, lodged in the Alevi intellectuals on the occasion of a feast. 37 burn, while thousands of Sunni Muslims celebrate outside their agonizing death.

1975 - 2000: Nine days after the declaration of independence of the former Portuguese colony of East Timor, the country is invaded by Indonesian troops invaded. In the course of 25 years about 23% of the predominantly Christian population, or 183,000 people are slaughtered, countless raped, tortured, forcibly displaced, imprisoned, exiled or forced sterilization.

That is the true face of Islam and faithful Muslims!

Truly, if we want to achieve real peace on our planet then we must get rid of Islam ideology and Muslim practices altogether. Muslim faith has to be thrown into the trashcan of history, all Qurans have to be reduced to a heap of ashes. That's the only way to secure our culture, our civilisation and to hand over our children a better world.

But what do I have to say, now that Muslim spawns roam freely on this 'European' forum! :( For the enemy to win it takes own people staying weak and gutless. I spit on the floor before you, all you spineless Western appeasers to Muslim needs in the forum!

http://www.cairchicago.org/images/temp/higgins.gif

arcticwolf
01-26-2014, 06:55 PM
blogen, are you high on shrooms or something? you rave like you are out of your mind. If there is a uperior morality it's Buddhist, it's not even a contest. The less spiritualy and blind faith based theistic religions have no thorough understanding of morality.

here you dummy compare these two:

Theistic: Do not steal
Buddhist: do not take what is not given

can you see the difference? Real morality looks at every act from all angles, back and forward in time and from a perspective of all affected, close and remote.

Theistic religion morality does not even come close to the scope and insight of Buddhist morality.

You dummies have no idea what you are talking about. :laugh:

The Illyrian Warrior
01-26-2014, 06:55 PM
Forbidden marriage for clerics is where Catholicism fails. Can you imagine a genius guy like Father Fishta to not have successors? What a fucking shame. :mad:

Interesting observation you got here. :thumb001:

Skerdilaid
01-26-2014, 06:57 PM
I do believe Muslim have more morality code than Christians had throughout history....Pedophilia is symbol how people look at Holy See nowadays, and God knows how many bizarre scandals are kept secret there.

Majority of Mena countries are degenerates! You have never met them to see what they truly are, I know a lot of Balkan Muslims think that they are similar to other Muslims and that they have similar moral codes, couldn't more wrong!

Pedophilia has nothing to do with religion, so don't even mention it, as it's more wide spread in Mena countries then in the West. The fact that it does not get recorded is something else...

Mehmet
01-26-2014, 07:06 PM
Muslims are of course superior in terms of morality.
No comparison possible.
There was a time when there was a religion called Christianity, whose followers resembled to Muslims. It no longer exists though.

Maybe only Orthodox Jews can be closer to Muslims.
The rest of mankind is inferior to Muslims in terms of morality.

The Illyrian Warrior
01-26-2014, 07:06 PM
Majority of Mena countries are degenerates! You have never met them to see what they truly are, I know a lot of Balkan Muslims think that they are similar to other Muslims and that they have similar moral codes, couldn't more wrong!

Pedophilia has nothing to do with religion, so don't even mention it, as it's more wide spread in Mena countries then in the West. The fact that it does not get recorded is something else...

Bad apples you have everywhere man, but noticed in MENA countries do have strict moral codes something we have in our country.

Its highly punishable for those who commit immorality in those country aswell, in contrary to MENA people in Western countries which I do admit are a bit off in terms of morality.

Kastrioti1443
01-26-2014, 07:12 PM
Bad apples you have everywhere man, but noticed in MENA countries do have strict moral codes something we have in our country.

Its highly punishable for those who commit immorality in those country aswell, in contrary to MENA people in Western countries which I do admit are a bit off in terms of morality.

The strict moral codes and the code of honor ( which the catholic highlanders strictly apply it) has to do with the warrior like albanian culture, not religion.

The Illyrian Warrior
01-26-2014, 07:15 PM
The strict moral codes and the code of honor ( which the catholic highlanders strictly apply it) has to do with the warrior like albanian culture, not religion.

Can't say I don't agree cause I do agree 100% on this. :thumb001:

On Albanians religion never played a role, tbh in Albanian people morality had/has roots more in tradition than religion.

Arianiti
01-26-2014, 07:20 PM
Can't say I don't agree cause I do agree 100% on this. :thumb001:

On Albanians religion never played a role, tbh in Albanian people morality had/has roots more in tradition than religion.


"Po kush ka qenë ky (Lekë) Dukagjini? Ai ka qenë sundimtari i këtij vendi dhe në të njëjtën kohë ligjbërësi i tij, mbasi ai ka hartuar Kanunin e Dukagjinit, domethënë dispozitat, në bazë të të cilave jetojnë deri në ditët e sotme, jo vetëm dukagjinasit, por edhe të gjithë malësorët që banojnë në veri të Drinit… të cilët këtë emër ia atribuojnë heroit të tyre kombëtar"
J.G. von Hahn

"Lekë Dukagjini "duhet të ketë pasur një personalitet imponues që ka ndikuar kaq shumë te njerëzit, aq sa shprehja "Kështu ka thënë Leka", ka më tepër forcë detyruese se sa të Dhjetë Porositë e Biblës, mësimet e Islamit e të Krishterimit, Ligji i Sheriatit dhe i Kishës, të gjitha duhet t'i nënshtroheshin Kanunit të Lekës... Fama e tij midis fiseve që ende ruajnë emrin e tij, ia ka kaluar edhe famës së Skënderbeut."
Edith Durham

....as the expression "So Leka said," has more binding force than the Ten Commandments of the Bible, the teachings of Islam and Christianity, the Sharia Law and the Church, all should be subject to / abide to the Kanun of Leka

blogen
01-26-2014, 07:21 PM
blogen, are you high on shrooms or something? you rave like you are out of your mind. If there is a uperior morality it's Buddhist, it's not even a contest. The less spiritualy and blind faith based theistic religions have no thorough understanding of morality.

The faithful Buddhists do not waste their time from the seven life!

http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~un3k-mn/kaiten-kichi1216.jpg
http://pds.exblog.jp/pds/1/200807/14/64/d0130164_96416.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/Chiran_high_school_girls_wave_kamikaze_pilot.jpg
http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/kamikaze1941/imgs/4/0/403d33b6.jpg
http://www1.ocn.ne.jp/~syowa/img/S1.jpg

I guess you know what is written onto the Hachimaki!

Kastrioti1443
01-26-2014, 07:24 PM
Forbidden marriage for clerics is where Catholicism fails. Can you imagine a genius guy like Father Fishta to not have successors? What a fucking shame. :mad:

And Ndre Mjeda.

arcticwolf
01-26-2014, 07:34 PM
The faithful Buddhists do not waste their time.

I guess you know what is written onto the Hachimaki!

Is this really your argument my Turanid friend?
Japanese don't use Buddhism to justify their wars they use Shinto and their native beleves. You did not know that? There is nothing in Buddha's teachings you can use to justify violence.

Here are 5 basic precepts every Buddhist takes:
Abstain from taking life
Abstain from taking what's not given to you
Abstain from lieing
Abstiun from all sexual misconduct
Abstain from substances that alter the state of mind

You need to do some research about the subject before you try to pretend you are an expert on!

Try harder my Turanid friend! :laugh:

Kurt
01-26-2014, 07:36 PM
God must exist and surely I must be on the right track going through Muhammad straight to him, or the mind is so powerful and controls everything because I swear to god just last night I was thinking of leliana's appearance on this thread.
Basically before I went to bed just to wake up reading her:D now that's freakishly powerful.

Raine
01-26-2014, 07:53 PM
Richard Dawkins destroys muslim on morality


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu7AQTs_y5A

Chaya
01-26-2014, 08:01 PM
Muslims morally superior? The opposite is true: Muslims have no morals. It's an implication of their venomous faith. The day one commits himself or herself to Islam and the lunacy of Mohammed's insane antics, he/she chooses to abandon all proper and decent morals & virtues. ..........................

The following points will make it clear, that far from being spread by the sword, it was the inherent force of truth, reason and logic that was responsible for the rapid spread of Islam.

Islam has always given respect and freedom of religion to all faiths. Freedom of religion is ordained in the Quran itself:

“There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong.” (Quran 2:256)

The noted historian De Lacy O’Leary wrote:[1] “History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever repeated.”

The famous historian, Thomas Carlyle, in his book Heroes and Hero worship, refers to this misconception about the spread of Islam: “The sword indeed, but where will you get your sword? Every new opinion, at its starting is precisely in a minority of one; in one man’s head alone. There it dwells as yet. One man alone of the whole world believes it, there is one man against all men. That he takes a sword and tries to propagate with that will do little for him. You must get your sword! On the whole, a thing will propagate itself as it can.”

If Islam was spread by the sword, it was the sword of intellect and convincing arguments. It is this sword that conquers the hearts and minds of people. The Quran says in this connection:

“Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best.” (Quran 16:125)

The facts speak for themselves

· Indonesia is the country that has the largest number of Muslims in the world, and the majority of people in Malaysia are Muslims. But, no Muslim army ever went to Indonesia or Malaysia. It is an established historical fact that Indonesia entered Islam not due to war, but because of its moral message. Despite the disappearance of Islamic government from many regions once ruled by it, their original inhabitants have remained Muslims. Moreover, they carried the message of truth, inviting others to it as well, and in so doing endured harm, affliction and oppression. The same can be said for those in the regions of Syria and Jordan, Egypt, Iraq, North Africa, Asia, the Balkans and in Spain. This shows that the effect of Islam on the population was one of moral conviction, in contrast to occupation by western colonialists, finally compelled to leave lands whose peoples held only memories of affliction, sorrow, subjugation and oppression.

· Muslims ruled Spain (Andalusia) for about 800 years. During this period the Christians and Jews enjoyed freedom to practice their respective religions, and this is a documented historical fact.

· Christian and Jewish minorities have survived in the Muslim lands of the Middle East for centuries. Countries such as Egypt, Morocco, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan all have significant Christian and Jewish populations.

· Muslims ruled India for about a thousand years, and therefore had the power to force each and every non-Muslim of India to convert to Islam, but they did not, and thus more than 80% of the Indian population remains non-Muslim.

· Similarly, Islam spread rapidly on the East Coast of Africa. And likewise no Muslim army was ever dispatched to the East Coast of Africa.

· An article in Reader’s Digest ‘Almanac’, yearbook 1986, gives the statistics of the increase of the percentage of the major religions of the world in half a century from 1934 to 1984. This article also appeared in The Plain Truth magazine. At the top was Islam, which increased by 235%, while Christianity had increased by 47%. During this fifty-year period, there was no “Islamic conquest” yet Islam spread at an extraordinary rate.

· Today the fastest growing religion in America and Europe is Islam. The Muslims in these lands are a minority. The only sword they have in their possession is the sword of truth. It is this sword that is converting thousands to Islam.

· Islamic law protects the privileged status of minorities, and that is why non-Muslim places of worship have flourished all over the Islamic world. Islamic law also allows non-Muslim minorities to set up their own courts, which implement family laws drawn up by the minorities themselves. The life and property of all citizens in an Islamic state are considered sacred whether they are Muslims or not.

Conclusion

It is clear, therefore, that Islam did not spread by the sword. The “sword of Islam” did not convert all the non-Muslim minorities in Muslim countries. In India, where Muslims ruled for 800 years, they are still a minority. In the U.S.A., Islam is the fastest growing religion and has over six million followers.

In his book The World’s Religions, Huston Smith discusses how the prophet Muhammad granted freedom of religion to the Jews and Christians under Muslim rule:

The Prophet had a document drawn up in which he stipulated that Jews and Christians “shall be protected from all insults and harm; they shall have an equal right with our own people to our assistance and good offices,” and further, “they shall practice their religion as freely as the Muslims.”[2]

Smith points out that Muslims regard that document as the first charter of freedom of conscience in human history and the authoritative model for those of every subsequent Muslim state.

Chaya
01-26-2014, 08:05 PM
Humility, modesty, control of passions and desires, truthfulness, integrity, patience, steadfastness, and fulfilling one’s promises are moral values that are emphasized again and again in the Quran:

“And God loves those who are firm and steadfast.” (3:146)

“And vie with one another to attain to your Sustainer’s forgiveness and to a Paradise as vast as the heavens and the earth, which awaits the God-conscious, who spend for charity in time of plenty and in times of hardship, and restrain their anger, and pardon their fellow men, for God loves those who do good.” (Quran 3:133-134)

“Establish regular prayer, enjoin what is just, and forbid what is wrong; and bear patiently whatever may befall you; for this is true constancy. And do not swell your cheek (with pride) at men, nor walk in insolence on the earth, for God does not love any man proud and boastful. And be moderate in your pace and lower your voice; for the harshest of sounds, indeed, is the braying of the ass.” (31:18-19)

TheWogWhisperer
01-26-2014, 08:06 PM
Kurt, I respect all people and their culture (though I do occasionally like to troll) but you are scaring me a little.

Chaya
01-26-2014, 08:07 PM
Richard Dawkins destroys muslim on morality


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu7AQTs_y5A

lol lol , richard dawkins is atheist !


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4Bcwlqq2ew

Chaya
01-26-2014, 08:10 PM
Kurt, I respect all people and their culture
ooh I am very happy to hear that :D

Skerdilaid
01-26-2014, 08:10 PM
Kurt, I respect all people and their culture (though I do occasionally like to troll) but you are scaring me a little.

He saw Leilana in his dreams last night, and he thinks it's Muhammed;)



Brother, it the good weed you were smoking:p

Kurt
01-26-2014, 08:12 PM
Kurt, I respect all people and their culture (though I do occasionally like to troll) but you are scaring me a little.

Scaring you in what sense? Because I missed seeing leliana in the forum? I never made it a secrete that I adore the devil, nothing more.

Kurt
01-26-2014, 08:14 PM
He saw Leilana in his dreams last night, and he thinks it's Muhammed;)



Brother, it the good weed you were smoking:p
My conscience is clear.

Skerdilaid
01-26-2014, 08:15 PM
My conscience is clear.

Ok.

Chaya
01-26-2014, 08:15 PM
Islam builds a higher system of morality by virtue of which mankind can realize its greatest potential. Islam purifies the soul from self-seeking egotism, tyranny, wantonness and indiscipline. It creates God-conscious men, devoted to their ideals, possessed of piety, abstinence, discipline and uncompromising with falsehood. It induces feelings of moral responsibility and fosters the capacity for self-control. Islam generates kindness, generosity, mercy, sympathy, peace, disinterested goodwill, scrupulous fairness and truthfulness towards all creation in all situations. It nourishes noble qualities from which only good may be expected.

“He is not a believer who eats his fill when his neighbor beside him is hungry.” (Al-Mundhiri)

“He does not believe whose neighbors are not safe from his injurious conduct.” (Saheeh al-Bukhari)

Chaya
01-26-2014, 08:18 PM
Actually, according to the Quran and Sunnah, a Muslim has to discharge his moral responsibility not only to his parents, relatives and neighbors, but to the entire mankind, animals and trees and plants. For example, hunting of birds and animals for the sake of game is not permitted. Similarly, cutting down trees and plants which yield fruit is forbidden unless there is a pressing need for it.

Anglojew
01-26-2014, 08:30 PM
Actually, according to the Quran and Sunnah, a Muslim has to discharge his moral responsibility not only to his parents, relatives and neighbors, but to the entire mankind, animals and trees and plants. For example, hunting of birds and animals for the sake of game is not permitted. Similarly, cutting down trees and plants which yield fruit is forbidden unless there is a pressing need for it.

Mohammed broke almost all of the 10 commandments including murdering, stealing and commiting adultery.

Melonhead
01-26-2014, 08:33 PM
Mohammed broke almost all of the 10 commandments including murdering, stealing and commiting adultery.

I hear he coveted his neighbor's ass.

Anglojew
01-26-2014, 08:36 PM
I hear he coveted his neighbor's ass.

He stole his friend's wife.

I forgot blasphemy; satanic verses. I think he broke all 10 commandments but I'm still half way through researching for a post.

Jim Crow
01-26-2014, 08:37 PM
Another proof of Muslim superiority is RoryAdaddy
She only preaches the word of God and unlike the other Christian fanatics that have appeared here siding with well known systematic rapists and convicted genocidal criminals in the name of Christianity, she has preached and praised only peaceful clean spiritual morality.
Bravo Rory, you're a good Muslim:thumbs up

The only Christian fanatic I can think of on apricity is yaroslav. I wouldn't define myself as a religious fanatic.....more so a nationalistic fanatic :D

Jim Crow
01-26-2014, 08:38 PM
And Ndre Mjeda.

that's why I hate Catholicism. I cannot believe my grandmother decreed me to go to religious school and be a theologian. I was like fuck that. A life of celibacy no thanks.

Jim Crow
01-26-2014, 08:41 PM
I do believe Muslim have more morality code than Christians had throughout history....Pedophilia is symbol how people look at Holy See nowadays, and God knows how many bizarre scandals are kept secret there.

Not al Christian denominations believe in celibacy. A protestant minister can marry and have children and the same with Orthodox priests. However the catholic church is falling apart due to scandals and the fact priests cannot marry. So this attracts pedophiles. This is why I left the catholic church and faith. I got tired of being picked on for being catholic so I left because the church refuses to reform itself. Priests use to be abled to get married but that was in the 1500s when the church was ran by rational theologians. Today the catholic church is losing its numbers as people are becoming atheists or changing to be Protestants.

Jim Crow
01-26-2014, 08:45 PM
The following points will make it clear, that far from being spread by the sword, it was the inherent force of truth, reason and logic that was responsible for the rapid spread of Islam.

Islam has always given respect and freedom of religion to all faiths. Freedom of religion is ordained in the Quran itself:

“There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong.” (Quran 2:256)

The noted historian De Lacy O’Leary wrote:[1] “History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever repeated.”

The famous historian, Thomas Carlyle, in his book Heroes and Hero worship, refers to this misconception about the spread of Islam: “The sword indeed, but where will you get your sword? Every new opinion, at its starting is precisely in a minority of one; in one man’s head alone. There it dwells as yet. One man alone of the whole world believes it, there is one man against all men. That he takes a sword and tries to propagate with that will do little for him. You must get your sword! On the whole, a thing will propagate itself as it can.”

If Islam was spread by the sword, it was the sword of intellect and convincing arguments. It is this sword that conquers the hearts and minds of people. The Quran says in this connection:

“Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best.” (Quran 16:125)

The facts speak for themselves

· Indonesia is the country that has the largest number of Muslims in the world, and the majority of people in Malaysia are Muslims. But, no Muslim army ever went to Indonesia or Malaysia. It is an established historical fact that Indonesia entered Islam not due to war, but because of its moral message. Despite the disappearance of Islamic government from many regions once ruled by it, their original inhabitants have remained Muslims. Moreover, they carried the message of truth, inviting others to it as well, and in so doing endured harm, affliction and oppression. The same can be said for those in the regions of Syria and Jordan, Egypt, Iraq, North Africa, Asia, the Balkans and in Spain. This shows that the effect of Islam on the population was one of moral conviction, in contrast to occupation by western colonialists, finally compelled to leave lands whose peoples held only memories of affliction, sorrow, subjugation and oppression.

· Muslims ruled Spain (Andalusia) for about 800 years. During this period the Christians and Jews enjoyed freedom to practice their respective religions, and this is a documented historical fact.

· Christian and Jewish minorities have survived in the Muslim lands of the Middle East for centuries. Countries such as Egypt, Morocco, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan all have significant Christian and Jewish populations.

· Muslims ruled India for about a thousand years, and therefore had the power to force each and every non-Muslim of India to convert to Islam, but they did not, and thus more than 80% of the Indian population remains non-Muslim.

· Similarly, Islam spread rapidly on the East Coast of Africa. And likewise no Muslim army was ever dispatched to the East Coast of Africa.

· An article in Reader’s Digest ‘Almanac’, yearbook 1986, gives the statistics of the increase of the percentage of the major religions of the world in half a century from 1934 to 1984. This article also appeared in The Plain Truth magazine. At the top was Islam, which increased by 235%, while Christianity had increased by 47%. During this fifty-year period, there was no “Islamic conquest” yet Islam spread at an extraordinary rate.

· Today the fastest growing religion in America and Europe is Islam. The Muslims in these lands are a minority. The only sword they have in their possession is the sword of truth. It is this sword that is converting thousands to Islam.

· Islamic law protects the privileged status of minorities, and that is why non-Muslim places of worship have flourished all over the Islamic world. Islamic law also allows non-Muslim minorities to set up their own courts, which implement family laws drawn up by the minorities themselves. The life and property of all citizens in an Islamic state are considered sacred whether they are Muslims or not.

Conclusion

It is clear, therefore, that Islam did not spread by the sword. The “sword of Islam” did not convert all the non-Muslim minorities in Muslim countries. In India, where Muslims ruled for 800 years, they are still a minority. In the U.S.A., Islam is the fastest growing religion and has over six million followers.

In his book The World’s Religions, Huston Smith discusses how the prophet Muhammad granted freedom of religion to the Jews and Christians under Muslim rule:

The Prophet had a document drawn up in which he stipulated that Jews and Christians “shall be protected from all insults and harm; they shall have an equal right with our own people to our assistance and good offices,” and further, “they shall practice their religion as freely as the Muslims.”[2]

Smith points out that Muslims regard that document as the first charter of freedom of conscience in human history and the authoritative model for those of every subsequent Muslim state.

In theory muslims believe this but it is the opposite. Under Islamic rule in spain Christians were forced to never practice their religion or promote it. Muslims in Islamic countries are petrified if their people convert to Christianity and make it punishable by death. So Christianity in Islamic countries is suppressed and not allowed and the opposite is n the west were we do not mind people converting to other religions. There is a reason in Spain the Reconquista had occurred.

Melonhead
01-26-2014, 08:48 PM
In theory muslims believe this but it is the opposite. Under Islamic rule in spain Christians were forced to never practice their religion or promote it. Muslims in Islamic countries are petrified if their people convert to Christianity and make it punishable by death. So Christianity in Islamic countries is suppressed and not allowed and the opposite is n the west were we do not mind people converting to other religions. There is a reason in Spain the Reconquista had occurred.

Yes it's all islamification propaganda. Jesus is great prophet, but you talk about him much you get stoned. Islam: religion of trolls.

Chaya
01-26-2014, 08:49 PM
Mohammed broke almost all of the 10 commandments including murdering, stealing and commiting adultery.

(murdering)
(Capital punishment)
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “Whoever has one of his relations murdered has the choice either to receive compensation thereto or have the killer killed.” [Sahîh al-Bukhârî (2434) and Sahîh Muslim (1355)]

(stealing)

The Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) cursed the thief because he is a corrupt element in society, and if he is left unpunished, his corruption will spread and infect the body of the Ummah (Muslim community). He sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) said:

“May Allaah curse the thief who steals an egg and has his hand cut off, or steals a rope and has his hand cut off.” [Al-Bukhaari]

What indicates that this ruling is definitive is the fact that a Makhzoomi noblewoman (from the tribe of Makhzoom) stole at the time of the Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) and Usaamah Ibn Zayd may Allaah be pleased with him wanted to intercede for her. The Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) became angry and said:

“Do you intercede concerning one of the Hadd set by Allaah? Those who came before you were destroyed because if a rich man among them stole, they would let him off, but if a lowly person stole, they would carry out the punishment on him. By Allaah, if Faatimah Bint (daughter of) Muhammad were to steal, I would cut off her hand.” [Al-Bukhaari]

(commiting adultery)
Imaam Ahmad (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: I do not know of any sin after murder that is worse than zina..

“And those who invoke not any other ilaah (god) along with Allaah, nor kill such person as Allaah has forbidden, except for just cause, nor commit illegal sexual intercourse and whoever does this shall receive the punishment”
[al-Furqaan 25:68]

it was narrated in al-Saheehayn that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “No adulterer is a believer at the moment when he is committing adultery.”

Another of the effects of zina is that it exposes one to the possibility of being one of the inhabitants of the oven (tannoor) in which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) saw the adulterers and adulteresses. Another of the effects of zina is that it takes away the goodness which Allaah described as the attribute of those who are chaste, and replaces it with the evil which Allaah described as the attribute of the adulterers, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

Jim Crow
01-26-2014, 08:51 PM
Yes it's all islamification propaganda. Jesus is great prophet, but you talk about him much you get stoned. Islam: religion of trolls.

If you look in Syria Christians are being murdered for not converting to Islam. The west and the east are like a ying yang hahahah. But I hear in North Africa Protestants are being suppressed and have to conduct their services in private. Protestantism is on the rise globally and one of the most attacked religions world wide.

Chaya
01-26-2014, 08:53 PM
In theory muslims believe this but it is the opposite. Under Islamic rule in spain Christians were forced to never practice their religion or promote it. Muslims in Islamic countries are petrified if their people convert to Christianity and make it punishable by death. So Christianity in Islamic countries is suppressed and not allowed and the opposite is n the west were we do not mind people converting to other religions. There is a reason in Spain the Reconquista had occurred.

Source????

Chaya
01-26-2014, 08:55 PM
If you look in Syria Christians are being murdered for not converting to Islam. The west and the east are like a ying yang hahahah. But I hear in North Africa Protestants are being suppressed and have to conduct their services in private. Protestantism is on the rise globally and one of the most attacked religions world wide.

hahahahahahahahahahaha Are you from Syria ??

Arianiti
01-26-2014, 08:55 PM
Interesting documentary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM8HnvuKbAo

Raine
01-26-2014, 08:58 PM
Source????

This is something that happens in Pakistan on a daily basis:

Death sentence for Pakistani Christian who refused to convert to Islam

A Pakistani Christian mother has been sentenced to death for blaspheming the prophet Mohammed after she refused to convert to Islam.

Asia Bibi, a resident of Ittanwali in the eastern province of Punjab, was working at a local farm when the Muslim women with whom she was working called her an infidel and urged her to convert to Islam. Bibi refused, saying that Christianity was the only true religion.

“The Muslim men working in nearby fields also gathered and attacked Asia Bibi on which she fled to village in her home,” the Pakistan Christian Post reported. “The angry Muslims followed her and took her out of home and started beating her. They tortured her children also, but meanwhile someone informed police.”

Police then arrested Bibi on blasphemy charges. Following a lengthy trial, she has been sentenced to death.

Chaya
01-26-2014, 09:00 PM
This is something that happens in Pakistan on a daily basis:

Death sentence for Pakistani Christian who refused to convert to Islam

A Pakistani Christian mother has been sentenced to death for blaspheming the prophet Mohammed after she refused to convert to Islam.

Asia Bibi, a resident of Ittanwali in the eastern province of Punjab, was working at a local farm when the Muslim women with whom she was working called her an infidel and urged her to convert to Islam. Bibi refused, saying that Christianity was the only true religion.

“The Muslim men working in nearby fields also gathered and attacked Asia Bibi on which she fled to village in her home,” the Pakistan Christian Post reported. “The angry Muslims followed her and took her out of home and started beating her. They tortured her children also, but meanwhile someone informed police.”

Police then arrested Bibi on blasphemy charges. Following a lengthy trial, she has been sentenced to death.

hahahahahahahahaahah Source????

Raine
01-26-2014, 09:03 PM
Pakistan: 24-Year Old Christian Woman Abducted, Forced To Convert To Islam And Marry Her Abuser

Flashback: Pakistan: Increasing Number Of Christian Girls Kidnapped By Muslims, Raped, Forced To Convert To Islam
https://midnightwatcher.wordpress.com/2012/10/09/pakistan-24-year-old-christian-woman-abducted-forced-to-convert-to-islam-and-marry-her-abuser/

Jim Crow
01-26-2014, 09:23 PM
Pakistan: 24-Year Old Christian Woman Abducted, Forced To Convert To Islam And Marry Her Abuser

Flashback: Pakistan: Increasing Number Of Christian Girls Kidnapped By Muslims, Raped, Forced To Convert To Islam
https://midnightwatcher.wordpress.com/2012/10/09/pakistan-24-year-old-christian-woman-abducted-forced-to-convert-to-islam-and-marry-her-abuser/

my point. I like how muslims think their religion is spreading but the reality is Protestantism is spreading and people from around the world are converting to it in the droves. Its not a racist religion and ethnocentric which draws a lot of interest to it. Every country around the world has Protestant missionaries and even in the most oppressed societies it is growing in secret. There is a video of Palestinians converting to it and many Arabs as well. There is an arab protestant church in my town :cool: They conduct masses in Arabic which is pretty cool. Even Jews are converting to it which is shocking. Our president for Christ sake was raised muslim and converted to Protestantism.

Rory would make an excellent Protestant.

Jim Crow
01-26-2014, 09:26 PM
hahahahahahahahahahaha Are you from Syria ??

No but I know people from there and that is what they are telling me. They say it use to be a country where every one got along and now its being destroyed by foreigners supported by western governments. Everyone should be Protestant then the world would be a better place. :cool: I would like to go to Syria one day as the City of Damascus is a holy city for Christians ;)

blogen
01-26-2014, 09:27 PM
Is this really your argument my Turanid friend?
Japanese don't use Buddhism to justify their wars they use Shinto and their native beleves. You did not know that? There is nothing in Buddha's teachings you can use to justify violence.

The Buddhism was the basis of the bushido moral. Technicly the Japanese ethic is an buddhist ethic. The inscription of the headband:

"Seven Lives for the Nation!"

This is Buddhism too. The violent and militarist Buddhism.

Jim Crow
01-26-2014, 09:30 PM
Source????

watch the history channel. many Christians under Islamic rule were put to death for stupid things. Muslims greatest fear is their people becoming Christian. That is a fact a Christian for converting to Christianity is put to death for leaving Islam. There are many videos of middle easterners who convert to Christianity who are put to death because of it. That is inhumane and horrible. I do not know why Muslims are so afraid of Christianity?

Mraz
01-26-2014, 09:34 PM
watch the history channel. many Christians under Islamic rule were put to death for stupid things. Muslims greatest fear is their people becoming Christian. That is a fact a Christian for converting to Christianity is put to death for leaving Islam. There are many videos of middle easterners who convert to Christianity who are put to death because of it. That is inhumane and horrible. I do not know why Muslims are so afraid of Christianity?

:rolleyes:

Ianus
01-26-2014, 09:37 PM
Muslim morally superior? Ahahahahah!

Jim Crow
01-26-2014, 09:39 PM
Muslim morally superior? Ahahahahah!

I think humble protestants are morally superior.

Jim Crow
01-26-2014, 09:40 PM
:rolleyes:

also rad books about it. I have three about the middle ages and the period of moorish rule in Spain.

Unome
01-26-2014, 09:51 PM
Many diseases have contaminated Western civilization and society. So this has given opportunities for others, such as Moslems and Islam, to become moral leaders.

I look at the violent XXth Century Europa and the destruction of Christian institutions there. Christianity really has become weak in European countries. So this is another large factor of cultural & moral weakness.

In the US we have liberalism and feminism destroying traditional, conservative values (marriage & family). So yes there are a lot of challenges for the West.

But I am 100% confident that we will turn these factors around, and succeed again, like the ancient times.

Jim Crow
01-26-2014, 10:48 PM
Many diseases have contaminated Western civilization and society. So this has given opportunities for others, such as Moslems and Islam, to become moral leaders.

I look at the violent XXth Century Europa and the destruction of Christian institutions there. Christianity really has become weak in European countries. So this is another large factor of cultural & moral weakness.

In the US we have liberalism and feminism destroying traditional, conservative values (marriage & family). So yes there are a lot of challenges for the West.

But I am 100% confident that we will turn these factors around, and succeed again, like the ancient times.

I don't think fire and brimstone is a wonderful course of action but yes marriage and family are important in every society and not one society whether muslim, jewish or Christian or even pagan would disagree with you about that. There is a reason here in the US muslims go to Christian schools because their belief systems are similar in the context of traditional values which only sane people would support. The modern anti religious people in America are destroying traditional values its not Muslims or Jews. Although some Muslims are becoming unreligious and proof of this is them supporting Obama in the last election.

I lately have thought about Protestantism as being the spearhead of repairing the west. However I notice this belief system is spreading all over the world and even in the most oppressed societies. People of every race and culture are converting to it and it is surpassing Islam. I think its good to a degree as Protestants are the least racist today and secular in belief system. They are the most persecuted and I am guilty of persecuting them but based on ignorance more so.

Chaya
01-26-2014, 11:05 PM
No but I know people from there and that is what they are telling me. They say it use to be a country where every one got along and now its being destroyed by foreigners supported by western governments. Everyone should be Protestant then the world would be a better place. :cool: I would like to go to Syria one day as the City of Damascus is a holy city for Christians ;)

you're a liar :picard1:

Jim Crow
01-26-2014, 11:40 PM
you're a liar :picard1:

No I am not. My area of the country is loaded with Syrians and Iraqis. I tend to trust people who have been forced to flee their lands have to say about it. Some of them are Christian and some are Muslim. Lebanese people also live here. Why? Because the majority of people where I live are secular humanists so they prefer living in such a place. We hear all sorts of horror stories going on in the Middle East. Many of them protested the Iraq war as they knew it would spur more violence and instability in a fragile society like Iraq or Syria. I think you should know that many of them are converting to Protestantism here. There is an Iranian minister who went to Iran and is imprisoned there because he introduced Protestantism to afew Iranians and the regime there arrested him and refuses to release him. Protestants here are upset with the Iranian regime for that and demand his release. Also a PLO leaders son who lives here converted to Protestantism and is a huge advocate against extremism and terrorism. You would be surprised if you were here just how secular we are and accepting of people. ;) Why? Because it is God's will to be kind to others and to respect their opinions as they are God given rights.

Now continue to call me a liar all you wish. I have a Lebanese neighbor who has relatives in Lebanon who say they want an end to the violence over there. He is a Protestant too hahahaha.

Chaya
01-27-2014, 12:06 AM
No I am not. My area of the country is loaded with Syrians and Iraqis. I tend to trust people who have been forced to flee their lands have to say about it. Some of them are Christian and some are Muslim. Lebanese people also live here. Why? Because the majority of people where I live are secular humanists so they prefer living in such a place. We hear all sorts of horror stories going on in the Middle East. Many of them protested the Iraq war as they knew it would spur more violence and instability in a fragile society like Iraq or Syria. I think you should know that many of them are converting to Protestantism here. There is an Iranian minister who went to Iran and is imprisoned there because he introduced Protestantism to afew Iranians and the regime there arrested him and refuses to release him. Protestants here are upset with the Iranian regime for that and demand his release. Also a PLO leaders son who lives here converted to Protestantism and is a huge advocate against extremism and terrorism. You would be surprised if you were here just how secular we are and accepting of people. ;) Why? Because it is God's will to be kind to others and to respect their opinions as they are God given rights.

Now continue to call me a liar all you wish. I have a Lebanese neighbor who has relatives in Lebanon who say they want an end to the violence over there. He is a Protestant too hahahaha.

The problem is "the puppet governments"

Jim Crow
01-27-2014, 12:13 AM
which are puppet governments? The ones in which the people voted for or were installed by Americans? What is your stance on Assad and that regime? I tend to think its best he stay in power as foreigners are going there and killing Syrians for their own twisted belief system. I am against it entirely and against my government supporting the opposition there its none of our business and not something we should involve ourselves in. Its one thing if someone attacks us and it is another to involve your nation in another nations problems.

Saudi Arabia ants us to involve ourselves but the American public says fuck the government and Saudi Arabia its none of their business what goes on in Syria and not their fight. I was against the Iraq occupation as every sane American realized for example the mess it would create. Saddam was a dick but Iraq was more peaceful under him maybe. Today we see bombs going off all around Iraq and we ask ourselves what did we create there? Its a mess and not one we are willing to clean up as it is not our problem. But we feel bad for the people there who live under it constantly. You can only hope they arise out of it and brush it off their shoulders. Not all of the middle east is that bad its just certain regions have ethnic tensions....not much different than Europe or the West has. We have issues or have had similar issues in the past in our lands. History repeats itself unfortunately.

Chaya
01-27-2014, 12:56 AM
which are puppet governments? The ones in which the people voted for or were installed by Americans? What is your stance on Assad and that regime? I tend to think its best he stay in power as foreigners are going there and killing Syrians for their own twisted belief system. I am against it entirely and against my government supporting the opposition there its none of our business and not something we should involve ourselves in. Its one thing if someone attacks us and it is another to involve your nation in another nations problems.

Saudi Arabia ants us to involve ourselves but the American public says fuck the government and Saudi Arabia its none of their business what goes on in Syria and not their fight. I was against the Iraq occupation as every sane American realized for example the mess it would create. Saddam was a dick but Iraq was more peaceful under him maybe. Today we see bombs going off all around Iraq and we ask ourselves what did we create there? Its a mess and not one we are willing to clean up as it is not our problem. But we feel bad for the people there who live under it constantly. You can only hope they arise out of it and brush it off their shoulders. Not all of the middle east is that bad its just certain regions have ethnic tensions....not much different than Europe or the West has. We have issues or have had similar issues in the past in our lands. History repeats itself unfortunately.

Jihad against the Assad regime and its gang is an obligation on everyone— Muslim
“The believers are nothing else than brothers…” {Verse 10, Surat Al-Hujurat}
Narrated 'Abdullah bin Umar: Allah's Apostle said, "A Muslim is a brother of another Muslim, ................ect . " 622 Oppressions' of Sahih Bukhari.

and Iraq is okay :)
http://i.imgur.com/oxIcsJJ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/dWNSsT9.jpg

Chaya
01-27-2014, 01:02 AM
which are puppet governments? The ones in which the people voted for or were installed by Americans? What is your stance on Assad and that regime? I tend to think its best he stay in power as foreigners are going there and killing Syrians for their own twisted belief system. I am against it entirely and against my government supporting the opposition there its none of our business and not something we should involve ourselves in. Its one thing if someone attacks us and it is another to involve your nation in another nations problems.

Saudi Arabia ants us to involve ourselves but the American public says fuck the government and Saudi Arabia its none of their business what goes on in Syria and not their fight. I was against the Iraq occupation as every sane American realized for example the mess it would create. Saddam was a dick but Iraq was more peaceful under him maybe. Today we see bombs going off all around Iraq and we ask ourselves what did we create there? Its a mess and not one we are willing to clean up as it is not our problem. But we feel bad for the people there who live under it constantly. You can only hope they arise out of it and brush it off their shoulders. Not all of the middle east is that bad its just certain regions have ethnic tensions....not much different than Europe or the West has. We have issues or have had similar issues in the past in our lands. History repeats itself unfortunately.

YOU MUST WATCH THIS VIDEO :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=US4UgopcwM0

Anglojew
01-27-2014, 01:04 AM
(murdering)
(Capital punishment)
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “Whoever has one of his relations murdered has the choice either to receive compensation thereto or have the killer killed.” [Sahîh al-Bukhârî (2434) and Sahîh Muslim (1355)]

(stealing)

The Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) cursed the thief because he is a corrupt element in society, and if he is left unpunished, his corruption will spread and infect the body of the Ummah (Muslim community). He sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) said:

“May Allaah curse the thief who steals an egg and has his hand cut off, or steals a rope and has his hand cut off.” [Al-Bukhaari]

What indicates that this ruling is definitive is the fact that a Makhzoomi noblewoman (from the tribe of Makhzoom) stole at the time of the Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) and Usaamah Ibn Zayd may Allaah be pleased with him wanted to intercede for her. The Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) became angry and said:

“Do you intercede concerning one of the Hadd set by Allaah? Those who came before you were destroyed because if a rich man among them stole, they would let him off, but if a lowly person stole, they would carry out the punishment on him. By Allaah, if Faatimah Bint (daughter of) Muhammad were to steal, I would cut off her hand.” [Al-Bukhaari]

(commiting adultery)
Imaam Ahmad (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: I do not know of any sin after murder that is worse than zina..

“And those who invoke not any other ilaah (god) along with Allaah, nor kill such person as Allaah has forbidden, except for just cause, nor commit illegal sexual intercourse and whoever does this shall receive the punishment”
[al-Furqaan 25:68]

it was narrated in al-Saheehayn that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “No adulterer is a believer at the moment when he is committing adultery.”

Another of the effects of zina is that it exposes one to the possibility of being one of the inhabitants of the oven (tannoor) in which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) saw the adulterers and adulteresses. Another of the effects of zina is that it takes away the goodness which Allaah described as the attribute of those who are chaste, and replaces it with the evil which Allaah described as the attribute of the adulterers, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

Notice the first rebuttal refers to murdering relatives only.

Stealing from non-Muslims isn't considered stealing.


“So enjoy what you took as booty; the spoils are lawful and good”– Koran 8:69


Mohammed commited adultery with Zaynab.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/zaynab.htm

I'm working on a whole thread about this.

Chaya
01-27-2014, 01:10 AM
Notice the first rebuttal refers to murdering relatives only.

Stealing from non-Muslims isn't considered stealing.



Mohammed commited adultery with Zaynab.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/zaynab.htm

I'm working on a whole thread about this.

non islamic sources

Jim Crow
01-27-2014, 01:18 AM
Jihad against the Assad regime and its gang is an obligation on everyone— Muslim
“The believers are nothing else than brothers…” {Verse 10, Surat Al-Hujurat}
Narrated 'Abdullah bin Umar: Allah's Apostle said, "A Muslim is a brother of another Muslim, ................ect . " 622 Oppressions' of Sahih Bukhari.

and Iraq is okay :)
http://i.imgur.com/oxIcsJJ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/dWNSsT9.jpg

Not for the Iraqi Christians who were forced to leave. They did plead with America to not get involved but the US government did not care. Today Christian churches in Iraq get bombed for no reason. Its not like they are conspirators with the west or anything, they actually do not like us much. Christianity use to have a brotherhood and part of me is glad it is not a political one anymore as it is violent with people when it is. I would rather be a communist than have a religious nut running my society. The issue is that the Islamic governments wish to suppress minority groups in their countries which to us is pure evil. Now the Assad dictator isn't the best leader but I would predict within 40 years that style of government will disappear and the best possible solution in my opinion is Syria end up sort of like Turkey, and become more developed and less suspicious of the world. I mean I do not think religious governments are the answer, look at Iran and how backwards they are? I like them as a culture and people but not the religious fruit cakes that rule them. Now I am no big fan of Israel either as they have their issues and Palestinians.

I hate how my country is a meals on wheels for the UN as we believe every nation should contribute and not just us doing the worlds work and cleaning up after everyone. We spend more money and our economy on that than we do on fixing our roads and taking care of our own people. Our government doesn't care about us or anyone they just cater to the needs of others and themselves. You would be surprised as the average people here do not want us to be the world police force because its stupid. Not to mention a huge expense we cannot really afford.

Jim Crow
01-27-2014, 01:28 AM
yes its sad to see what is going on there. The religious groups are not that wonderful either. Now the original FSA were a different story then they became fanatical and basically lost the respect of the world. They had a reason to rebel but they along with many of these rebel groups are committing atrocities left and right and video tape themselves doing it which is wrong and disgusting. Now when you see pictures of Syria today you become shocked at the violence and hate that exists there that you do not wish to see anymore because its barbaric and depressing. However I do not believe foreigners have a right involving themselves in this nations issue because it isn't their fight. They look for excuses to involve themselves but it isn't right to me. If Mexico had a revolution I may support one side of it but not involve myself into it as it doesn't affect me. Some people in America most likely would involve themselves but I certainly wouldn't.

I mean the Syrian conflict is now gong into Lebanon and now you have one group targeting random people there which is wrong. If anything this is the most broadcasted war on the internet. It looks like Stalingrad from the videos and the fighting is very ruthless. But the Syrian public are dived on this issue and many of them support Assad as they want a more secular government as they view it as a more stable government. Now I am sure some do not want that they want either a democracy [FSA] or a religious government [Al Nusra]. I would think a more secular government would be benefitting to them because it may help them advance more technologically and be more open with the world. Some are against this as they would see themselves as a puppet state but how are they puppets? I don't think they would be. Infact they would develop much better as such a government seems to suggest. Many middle eastern governments are transforming into more secular states, over time they will be as advanced as any western country or oriental country. The fact is a religious government will be more closed to the world and would just isolate themselves and they will become underdeveloped and be classified as 'third world'. Look at North Korea, no one has anything to do with them....I do not think it would be rational for the middle east to follow North Koreas example.

Chaya
01-27-2014, 01:40 AM
Today Christian churches in Iraq get bombed for no reason

he issue is that the Islamic governments wish to suppress minority groups in their countries which to us is pure evil.
The reason:ـdistort the image of Islam and religion. Arab governments = puppet governments May God destroy them

Chaya
01-27-2014, 01:45 AM
However I do not believe foreigners have a right involving themselves in this nations issue because it isn't their fight.
A Muslim is a brother of another Muslim,

Anglojew
01-27-2014, 01:48 AM
Liar. I used a Koranic quote you deleted I notice and the link was Islamic sources.

Smaland
01-27-2014, 01:54 AM
...
One American girl journalist was held captive by al-Qaeda and she published a best selling book describing how gentlemanly she was treated by these terrorists.
...

In the U.S., kidnapping is a felony punishable by decades in prison.

Jim Crow
01-27-2014, 01:54 AM
The reason:ـdistort the image of Islam and religion. Arab governments = puppet governments May God destroy them

So its justifiable to murder them? That's like me saying its justifiable to murder bosnians [which I do not think is justifiable FYI]. If God wants to destroy those governments then he will descend from the Heavens and do so on his terms. Man does not know what God wills and I do not think God needs man to do his work.

Jim Crow
01-27-2014, 01:55 AM
A Muslim is a brother of another Muslim,

so nation states should exist is what you are telling me in other words? I don't think so. If a group of Christian terrorists were raiding my country trying to establish a Christian kingdom and pull us back into the dark ages I would fight against it as such a government is irrational.

Chaya
01-27-2014, 01:56 AM
Liar. I used a Koranic quote you deleted I notice and the link was Islamic sources.

the spoils are gained after victory. This was the nature of war in those times

Jim Crow
01-27-2014, 01:56 AM
In the U.S., kidnapping is a felony punishable by decades in prison.

very true.

Anglojew
01-27-2014, 02:09 AM
the spoils are gained after victory. This was the nature of war in those times

"In those times," so it's different now?