Progressive vs. Primitive Traits Checklist

[Vulpix]

Progressive vs. Primitive Traits

Fine hair / Coarse hair
Weak brow ridge / Strong brow ridge
High steep forehead / Low or strongly receding forehead
Small eyes / Big eyes
Big ears / Small ears
High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose / Low rooted, low bridge, short wide nose
Compressed zygomatic arches / Large prominent cheek bones
Compressed gonial angles / Square jaw
Small teeth / Large teeth
Strong prominent chin / Weak receding chin
Long neck / Short neck
Short torso / Long torso
Short arms / Long arms
Wide, short pelvis / Long narrow pelvis
Long straight legs / Short legs

[dralos]

i think i'm progressive,have small teeths a long neck,weak brow ridge fine hair

[Osprey]

Sculpted Lips/Swollen Lips

[dralos]

forgot to mention long straight legs,big lips

[ficuscarica]

I´m a mix.

[Atlantic Islander]

I guess I'm Progressive then :cool:

[PetiteParisienne]

I'm mostly progressive.

[Body And Soul]

I'm quiet progressive but i'm not so obsessed by it. And there are some archaic traits that i like, like prominent cheekbones, big eyes and big teeth (but not too much). And i dislike too pronounced chin. My chin just follow the line of my profile. Plus, i have narrow small nose, rounded forehead, full cheeks, medium full lips, rather big eyes, small ears, small feet and hands, very long neck, medium sized legs and arms, quiet tiny weist (65 cm), ugly thick hair :P :P That's how i am.

[Osprey]

I'm quiet progressive but i'm not so obsessed by it. And there are some archaic traits that i like, like prominent cheekbones, big eyes and big teeth (but not too much). And i dislike too pronounced chin. My chin just follow the line of my profile. Plus, i have narrow small nose, rounded forehead, full cheeks, medium full lips, rather big eyes, small ears, small feet and hands, very long neck, medium sized legs and arms, quiet tiny weist (65 cm), ugly thick hair :P :P That's how i am.

You're a petite princess

[Body And Soul]

You're a petite princess

Tnx :D Btw i'm not that petite, i'm 1.73, just an average height..

[dandelion]

Progressive vs. Primitive Traits

Fine hair / Coarse hair
Weak brow ridge / Strong brow ridge
High steep forehead / Low or strongly receding forehead
Small eyes / Big eyes
Big ears / Small ears -> normal
High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose / Low rooted, low bridge, short wide nose -> A mix :lol:
Compressed zygomatic arches / Large prominent cheek bones
Compressed gonial angles / Square jaw
Small teeth / Large teeth
Strong prominent chin / Weak receding chin
Long neck / Short neck
Short torso / Long torso -> Normal
Short arms / Long arms -> Normal
Wide, short pelvis / Long narrow pelvis -> Dunno :lol:
Long straight legs / Short legs
My eyes and my hair are surely primitive , most of the rest are normal or progressive.

[Mordid]

^U're a freak, I knew it.

[Body And Soul]

My eyes and my hair are surely primitive , most of the rest are normal or progressive.

Same here :D Plus, i have very small hands and feet in proportion with the rest (almost child alike), small nose and narrow lips. I dunno if those features are archaic or progressive, but sometimes i see myself as a lenghtened child. I think i'm quiet infantilized (i also have a child soft skin now, at mid 20's) :D

[dandelion]

Same here :D Plus, i have very small hands and feet in proportion with the rest (almost child alike), small nose and narrow lips. I dunno if those features are archaic or progressive, but sometimes i see myself as a lenghtened child. I think i'm quiet infantilized (i also have a child soft skin now, at mid 20's) :D
We are primitives :lol:
I have normal hands/feet, and big lips (chimp :lol:)
I don't know which of those are considered archaic though

[Siegfried]

So, am I primitive or progressive?

Me (from how much I've developed so far):

Fine hair / Coarse hair
Weak brow ridge / Strong brow ridge
High steep forehead / Low or strongly receding forehead
Small eyes / Big eyes
Big ears / Small ears
High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose / Low rooted, low bridge, short wide nose
Compressed zygomatic arches / Large prominent cheek bones
Compressed gonial angles / Square jaw (somewhere in the middle)
Small teeth / Large teeth
Strong prominent chin / Weak receding chin
Long neck / Short neck
Short torso / Long torso
Short arms / Long arms
Wide, short pelvis / Long narrow pelvis
Long straight legs / Short legs

[Europa]

Progressive vs. Primitive Traits

Fine hair / Coarse hair
Weak brow ridge / Strong brow ridge
High steep forehead / Low or strongly receding forehead
Small eyes / Big eyes
Big ears / Small ears
High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose / Low rooted, low bridge, short wide nose
Compressed zygomatic arches / Large prominent cheek bones
Compressed gonial angles / Square jaw
Small teeth / Large teeth
Strong prominent chin / Weak receding chin
Long neck / Short neck
Short torso / Long torso
Short arms / Long arms
Wide, short pelvis / Long narrow pelvis
Long straight legs / Short legs

[Geronimo]

I'd say I'm 50/50, maybe slightly on the progressive side.

[ricko0812]

im so primitive it hurts ,:coffee:i cant spot one progressive thing on me, oh well. but thats okay , thats they way the girls over here like it:p

[finþaų]

I'm going to list my traits as well.

Fine hair / Coarse hair - Fine, somewhat wavy when it's long.
Weak brow ridge / Strong brow ridge - Fairly weak.
High steep forehead / Low or strongly receding forehead - It's not very high, but not low either, and it is steep.
Small eyes / Big eyes - They are too small.
Big ears / Small ears - Big and flappy.
High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose / Low rooted, low bridge, short wide nose - The former rather than the latter. The tip is a bit fat though.
Compressed zygomatic arches / Large prominent cheek bones - Not extreme in any direction, but compressed rather than prominent.
Compressed gonial angles / Square jaw - Highly compressed, my gonial angles are hardly visible, and I'm thin.
Small teeth / Large teeth - I don't know, they look mid-sized to me.
Strong prominent chin / Weak receding chin - Not very strong nor very prominent, but I wouldn't call it weak and receding. Closer to the former I think.
Long neck / Short neck - Long and thin.
Short torso / Long torso - I don't really know what to compare with, but it seems rather ordinary, quite short.
Short arms / Long arms
Wide, short pelvis / Long narrow pelvis - The former I think, but I'm not sure.
Long straight legs / Short legs - My legs are rather long, but not extremely so.

This might jeopardise my Archaic Paleomongoloid identity.

[Minesweeper]

I think my only primitive traits are long arms and torso.

[Kalitas]

This is my case
Fine hair / Coarse hair
Weak brow ridge / Strong brow ridge
High steep forehead / Low or strongly receding forehead
Small eyes / Big eyes
Big ears / Small ears
High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose / Low rooted, low bridge, short wide nose
Compressed zygomatic arches / Large prominent cheek bones
Compressed gonial angles / Square jaw
Small teeth / Large teeth
Strong prominent chin / Weak receding chin =>Weak chin (positive, and not receding) = infantile trait
Long neck / Short neck
Short torso / Long torso
Short arms / Long arms
Wide, short pelvis / Long narrow pelvis
Long straight legs / Short legs
Dolicho to Mesocephalic/ Brachycephalic =>Position of the foramen magnum, related to the occiput

So, the most progressive subraces/phenotypes are the unaltered Nordid types like the Hallstatt and the East Nordids (almost nothing of Cromagnid admixture)
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=479&pictureid=4125

While, among the caucasian subraces, the pure Cromagnid would be the one showing the most primitive traits
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=479&pictureid=4126

[GeistFaust]

I am a primitive progressive, who is progressively primitive in mentality.

[Artek]

Progressive vs. Primitive Traits

Fine hair / Coarse hair
Weak brow ridge / Strong brow ridge
High steep forehead / Low or strongly receding forehead
Small eyes / Big eyes
Big ears / Small ears
High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose / Low rooted, low bridge, short wide nose
Compressed zygomatic arches / Large prominent cheek bones
Compressed gonial angles / Square jaw
Small teeth / Large teeth
Strong prominent chin / Weak receding chin
Long neck / Short neck
Short torso / Long torso
Short arms / Long arms
Wide, short pelvis / Long narrow pelvis
Long straight legs / Short legs

Here it is. Welcome the ubermensch

[dralos]

i can be wrong but i think this kosovalbanian shows very progressive traits
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs744.ash1/163695_1362553124106_1839944027_676886_7252464_n.j pg

[Atlantic Islander]

Progressive vs. Primitive Traits

Fine hair / Coarse hair - Not only fine, but also thin.
Weak brow ridge / Strong brow ridge
High steep forehead / Low or strongly receding forehead
Small eyes / Big eyes
Big ears / Small ears - Eh, I don't know who would actually want to have big ears, it sucks.
High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose / Low rooted, low bridge, short wide nose - combination, it's slightly wide.
Compressed zygomatic arches / Large prominent cheek bones - I have prominent cheekbones, but they aren't large.
Compressed gonial angles / Square jaw
Small teeth / Large teeth
Strong prominent chin / Weak receding chin - My chin is normal but with a slight cleft, it looks weak because of my nose. So neither.
Long neck / Short neck
Short torso / Long torso
Short arms / Long arms
Wide, short pelvis / Long narrow pelvis
Long straight legs / Short legs - not tall, but my legs are long.

Probably why my face can come off a bit masculine, these progressive traits aren't very attractive on a female. :ohwell:

[Tyler3]

A neck is the highest indicator of a progressive racial line. If the neck is short and blubbery it is an indicator of things to come for everything else on the body. You never see great features on someone with a small or short neck with no natural muscle on it.

[Riki]

Progressive vs. Primitive Traits

Fine hair / Coarse hair
Weak brow ridge / Strong brow ridge
High steep forehead / Low or strongly receding forehead
Small eyes / Big eyes
Big ears / Small ears
High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose / Low rooted, low bridge, short wide nose
Compressed zygomatic arches / Large prominent cheek bones
Compressed gonial angles / Square jaw
Small teeth / Large teeth
Strong prominent chin / Weak receding chin
Long neck / Short neck
Short torso / Long torso
Short arms / Long arms
Wide, short pelvis / Long narrow pelvis
Long straight legs / Short legs

Progressive I would say.

[Body And Soul]

A neck is the highest indicator of a progressive racial line. If the neck is short and blubbery it is an indicator of things to come for everything else on the body. You never see great features on someone with a small or short neck with no natural muscle on it.

LoL, I have a long feminine neck, marry me, men :D

[Sabinae]

Wouldn't be able to tell how progressive my body is or not... But, frankly, right at this very moment... I care for it to be healthy...

[Saruman]

Weak browridge is not progressive but an infantile trait (Alpinisation, baltisation, Gracile Meds etc.). It's more properly said moderate, weaker than the likes of Australoid who have very strong and prominent browridges, but certainly stronger than Alpinoids. Especially are weak browridges problematic for males, as they may be considered connected with lack of dominance.
So that list of traits has some differences compared to Agrippa's list.

The best for ex. Nordids always have more prominent browridges (very different from Australoids of course).

Plus harmony and the exact set of features is even more important than basic progressive-archaic-infantile scheme.

[Saruman]

To continue about items not present on Agrippa's list.

Ears are debatable, Australids don't have large ears, and Negrids too, I guess it depends on exact form alot, but it isn't one of crucial traits like for ex. prognathy, chin are.

Teeth, yes large teeth are more archaic, but very small ones are rather on the infantile side probably.


Compressed gonial angles / Square jaw - This is questionable, square jaw isn't primitive, I think Agrippa confirmed that to me, in any cease it is at least "neutral", but might be viewed positively in a number of cases when it contributes to a more dominant look. Very compressed gonials might lead to great disharmony in features, as can the opposite. So its something that needs to be looked at more closely.


Dolicho to Mesocephalic/ Brachycephalic - This is also very problematic, as of course archaic sapiens are long skulled, brachycephaly is actually newer, but it is often result of infantilisation, while on the other hand Taurids head shape isn't primitive nor infantile.
What should have been said and wasn't is the exact head shape. CI in itself doesn't mean much, dolicocephalic Mediterranid and Australid skulls differ significantly in their form!


Fine hair / Coarse hair
This might be correct, as coarser hair surely is a pattern among more archaic types.


Small eyes / Big eyes
Big eyes might be related to infantilisation in number of cases, very small eyes are present in certain types that are more archaic in relative comparison, so I don't think such a strict formulation is correct as both have some positives and negatives.

Also what isn't mentioned here is forehead shape, mouth-lips shape, body type and various other features. Agrippa's table is correct, so I addressed these other points that were I believe invented by someone at Skadi long time ago, and this interpretation cannot be considered authoritative.

[Body And Soul]

^ can you post some exemples of these features, plz?

[Saruman]

^ can you post some exemples of these features, plz?

http://www.androsform.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/brad-pitt-85.jpg

For ex. Brad Pitt, as Faelids have broader face they actually need square jaw for a more positive appearance, if it was not then their jaw would have looked infantilised, reduced and disharmonious. I think clearly there needs to be harmony between zygomatic and gonial breadth so that the former's value is slightly greater, whether zygomiatics are compressed or not, so saying compressed gonials are progressive as a rule makes no sense because it would ,even for narrow faced individuals, tend to elevate zygomatic-gonial ratio to the level of clear disharmony, that does occur and it isn't ideal for sure.

About just taking CI, without looking at far more important head form, here's a comparison of archaic Australid and Europid skulls. CI is lower but head form is quite different!

http://www.canovan.com/HumanOrigin/PINTUBI-1/bindaeuro3.jpg

http://www.canovan.com/HumanOrigin/PINTUBI-1/bindaeuro5.jpg

Again look here Gibbon, Chimpanzee, Pithecantropus, Sinantropus, Neanderthal
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3305&stc=1&d=1259940334

Head form was still similar without great innovation despite the enlargement. But progressive sapiens head form contained so obviously significant innovations.

[Body And Soul]

I think certain features can look good on men, but much less on women. Like broad face and square jaw:

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhc67jfyiw1qa7cfio1_500.jpg

I think this man wouldn't be as hot as he is without that square jaw a broad, CM face. He's perfect :love:

On the contrary, those features don't look good on women, imo.
Btw i'm not so obsessed with progessive features, some progressive traits are not that attractive imo: big ears, small eyes, small teeth...And i also prefer "primitive" prominent cheekbones.

[Saruman]

On the contrary, those features don't look good on women, imo.


Actually they do look good if by square jaw one means more angular pentagonal than cuboid face, also depending on general features. For me this is one of the best female types.:D

http://www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Launch+John+Varvatos+New+Fragrance+Men+y6KOdaTuW9z l.jpg

http://www.superiorpics.com/pictures2/SoundTracRD030637.jpg

http://www.contactmusic.com/pics/ld/a_different_spin_with_mark_hoppus_170910/mark_hoppus_3006169.jpg

http://www.dphotosprints.com/Movies/Other/8th-Annual-iStar-Charity/102265879MD0048thAnnuali/998627912_RcU3d-L.jpg

[Body And Soul]

^ it's a matter of taste, but i think that she would look even better if she was more "rounded" ;)

[Saruman]

^ it's a matter of taste, but i think that she would look even better if she was more "rounded" ;)

Better as more "feminine", but she's feminine enough, however with round features she might have lost her "femme fatale" appearance.

[Mordid]

Big eyes might be related to infantilisation in number of cases, very small eyes are present in certain types that are more archaic in relative comparison, so I don't think such a strict formulation is correct as both have some positives and negatives.

Big eyes isn't associated with infantile types. If anything, big eyes is Aurignacoid as well as Taurid traits. If I remember correctly, Agrippa said that ''big eyes with clearly visible lids'' is anti-CM trait.

[Body And Soul]

Big eyes isn't associated with infantile types. If anything, big eyes is Aurignacoid as well as Taurid traits. If I remember correctly, Agrippa said that ''big eyes with clearly visible lids'' is anti-CM trait.
I think they can be also an alpinid and baltid trait. And they're common all around Europe, imo.

[Saruman]

Big eyes isn't associated with infantile types. If anything, big eyes is Aurignacoid as well as Taurid traits. If I remember correctly, Agrippa said that ''big eyes with clearly visible lids'' is anti-CM trait.

Yes of course, among Aurignacid types it is also very widespread, Taurids too, though less so among Nordids than Mediterranids for ex, which might be due to their CM input. But it is associated with Balto-Alpinisation as well, those types do have round eyes often and since Cromagnids proper don't it's reasonable to assume they are product of alpinisation/baltisation.

[Mordid]

I think they can be also an alpinid and baltid trait. And they're common all around Europe, imo.
Not necessary. Of course, big eyes can be found among Alpinids and Baltids, but not as common as Aurignacoids and Taurids. The latters tend to have more big eyes in in comparison to Alpinids and Baltids.

[Body And Soul]

Not necessary. Of course, big eyes can be found among Alpinids and Baltids, but not as common as Aurignacoids and Taurids. The latters tend to have more big eyes in in comparison to Alpinids and Baltids.

Ok, maybe you mean "enormous" eyes, very large and big eyes. Btw i think they're pretty common also among Germans, Poles, Dutchs...just look at Doutzen's enormous eyes:

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTH-I-O6q2R7kK4eppzSRw0-f4WiFOxMeE9QS80oTot69MmtvxhYX0-q9PSJg

I like big eyes very much.

[Mordid]

Yes of course, among Aurignacid types it is also very widespread, Taurids too, though less so among Nordids than Mediterranids for ex, which might be due to their CM input. But it is associated with Balto-Alpinisation as well, those types do have round eyes often and since Cromagnids proper don't it's reasonable to assume they are product of alpinisation/baltisation.
Yeah, Baltids and Baltids influence have big eyes often with rather weak lids, someone like her:
http://www.skene.pl/media/picture/117/pic/091124110132.jpg

These kind of eyeshape are very common among ''Suedeuropid'' with large eyelids:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kzKRE3PGf3A/TFgqzuuotsI/AAAAAAAAA7k/inM2wP1sRJk/s400/christ.jpg
http://i903.photobucket.com/albums/ac236/david100_photo/magik_kaliber_44-1.jpg
http://i903.photobucket.com/albums/ac236/david100_photo/slavic3.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_730AxBiPPoI/TLmvcwjGc1I/AAAAAAAABC0/sQA2gtxn_wU/s1600/1011_BAR_KOSTA_PEROVIC.(1).JPG
^Yet, I've never seen Alpinids and Baltids with these eyelids.

[Arne]

I think my only primitive traits are long arms and torso.

My Legs are straight long and my Arms also.
But my Torso isn´t quite long.
My neck is long :D

[Saruman]

About wide jaws/compressed jaws I asked Agrippa almost a year ago in PM. His response:


Crucial for the progressivness are other details in my opinion, broad jaws are not primitive in any case.


So, no as I have been explaining why, they aren't primitive. Gonials are on avg. much more compressed than zygomatics, so even narrow-faced individuals with surely greatly compressed gonials would have triangular/rhomboid face shape, which is not ideal and can often be disharmonious.

[Sikeliot]

I always perceived wide spaced eyes as primitive.

[dp93]

Fine hair / Coarse hair
Weak brow ridge / Strong brow ridge
High steep forehead / Low or strongly receding forehead- Nothing extreme but closer to "High steep forehead"
Small eyes / Big eyes
Big ears / Small ears
High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose / Low rooted, low bridge, short wide nose
Compressed zygomatic arches / Large prominent cheek bones
Compressed gonial angles / Square jaw
Small teeth / Large teeth- I'm not sure some of my teeth are large, while some of them such as my bottom front teeth are small. I'd say my teeth are larger on average though.
Strong prominent chin / Weak receding chin
Long neck / Short neck- More long than short.
Short torso / Long torso- I'm not sure with who or what to compare and determine my torso length, nor have I measured it.
Short arms / Long arms- I don't know, probably closer to short than long though.
Wide, short pelvis / Long narrow pelvis
Long straight legs / Short legs- Probably more short than long.

[MarkyMark]

I have
Inbetween hair(when I don't wash it too much)
Strong brow ridge
Low Forehead
Big eyes
Big ears
High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose
Compressed zygomatic arches
Square jaw
Large Teeth
Inbetween chin
Long kneck
Short Torso
Long Arms
Long narrow Pelvis
Long straight legs

7 Primitive traits
5 Progressive traits
2 inbetween

[Oneeye]

Fine hair / Coarse hair
Weak brow ridge / Strong brow ridge
High steep forehead / Low or strongly receding forehead
Small eyes / Big eyes
Big ears / Small ears
High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose / Low rooted, low bridge, short wide nose
Compressed zygomatic arches / Large prominent cheek bones
Compressed gonial angles / Square jaw
Small teeth / Large teeth
Strong prominent chin / Weak receding chin
Long neck / Short neck
Short torso / Long torso
Short arms / Long arms
Wide, short pelvis / Long narrow pelvis
Long straight legs / Short legs

Some of these I'm more towards the middle, but overall I'm "primitive" apparently.