What is your opinion on Race Mixing when neither participant is European?

[Stefan]

By this I mean something along the lines of an Amerindian + SSA or Asian + SSA. What do you think about that. Are you only concerned about European preservation or do your goals encompass that of other races and ethnic groups also? Also briefly mention your opinion on European Race Mixture or link your post to the other thread questioning this so we get an idea where you are starting at.
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Here is my opinion on race-mixing in the European spectrum.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10653&page=3


If they are strangers, I feel a little disappointed, but that is about it. If it is close relatives, I haven't really thought how bad I felt about it, until recently, when I thought of how thousands of years of ancestry(and in some cases culture) end that way.

For Example:

I am the only, of my generation, in my Father's side of my family, who can call himself "Full European". All of my cousins from this side, are mixed. I'm guessing this is due to "Hispanics" being lumped together in the United States.

My Aunt married a man with ancestry from the "Dominican Republic", who looked mostly European, but still had some quite obvious distant Sub-Saharan African ancestry at probably around 1/8th or 1/16th. They had two kids, both of whom about twice my age. The son married a Mestizo, and the Daughter(of whom I'm very close to despite her being non fully European, she acted civilized and would babysit me when I was about 5 and she was in college) married another Dominican man who was most likely Mulatto. I guess this is a good thing since they are both mixed, but they were quite the contrast even then.

My other Uncle, who I haven't talked to ever until a few weeks ago by email, married a Mexican Mestizo. From the pictures I've seen two of the kids came out looking mostly Amerindian while the last looked somewhat European. Now this man, spent thousands of dollars and many months to research my Grandparent's ancestry. He knew what would happen by marrying that woman. The end of his family line as it was. So yeah, they had three children, all mixed, obviously.

My other Uncle had a son I've never met, but I doubt it was with a person of European ancestry. He also had a wife who was mulatto, yet they didn't have any kids. The funny thing is, my father was the youngest out of all of them by about 15 years. He lived with my Aunt most of his teenage years. All of his siblings, were strictly badgered by my Grandparents to only marry a European-American, preferably Southern European. My Father wasn't badgered like this, yet he married my mother. So it is strange what kind of effect you may have on who marries who(or what).

So it is from my very close experience, I feel that when it is that close to you, it can't be helped but to not feel a little sad inside. :( I am 1 out of 6 cousins that is of full European ancestry. In comparison, my father's generation was 5 siblings of full European ancestry. It went from 5 to 1. It is suppose to increase not decrease. :(

I think the best way to combat it, for me, is to teach my kids about their ancestry. So they know to love it, protect it, and it will give them an idea to think twice before ending that ancestry. Telling them over and over to only marry a certain group isn't going to work, as seen above. That will just push them away more. This is especially in these times where it is seen as "ok" and even in some cases "preferable" to mix. Also, I somewhat feel hesitant to post this, with the opinions that may come with it, but I think I should be truthful when discussing something as important as this.


As you can see I'm more focused on the overall preservation of a culture and people when not relating to close family. Because of that, I think the preservation of other races is important as well as that of my own. Though of course I will always be more focused on that I relate to, my race.

[Inese]

As you can see I'm more focused on the overall preservation of a culture and people when not relating to close family. Because of that, I think the preservation of other races is important as well as that of my own. Though of course I will always be more focused on that I relate to, my race.
But you have no race you are mixed!! :rolleyes2: You have nothing to preserve or do you want to preserve your racemix?? It would be a big burden for your children, you know? You can marry a European and you would make your children to mixed children and it would be the total same if you marry a Asian or a Black or what ever ---- You are a victim of mixed race and it is your decision if you want to continue it with new generations of mixed people

[Stefan]

But you have no race you are mixed!! :rolleyes2: You have nothing to preserve or do you want to preserve your racemix?? It would be a big burden for your children, you know? You can marry a European and you would make your children to mixed children and it would be the total same if you marry a Asian or a Black or what ever ---- You are a victim of mixed race and it is your decision if you want to continue it with new generations of mixed people

I do not know what the hell you are talking about, but being of multiple European ancestries doesn't make you mixed. Dare I ask though, what am I mixed with?

Edit: Please tell me, I do wish to be entertained. I hope I'm not as mixed as the Russians are.

[Fortis in Arduis]

I dislike 'race-mixing', not because I dislike the mixing of races, but because it seems to occur as a result of negative trends in society, such as dispossession and forced migrations.

So yes, I feel that it is tragic, for the circumstances under which it tends to occur.

Is it sad that two multimillionaires get together and have mixed-race children? Not really. They can toddle off in their designer clothes.

It is sad when a poor mixed-race child is born who will become the likely victim of violence in a time of strife, simply because he has no community to belong to.

People who were mixed Croatian-Serbian, for example, had a tough time when communal tensions arose in the former Yugoslavia.

That is not much of a mix, is it? Still, it was troublesome and laws of ethnicity were drafted and implemented.

I have read some material which points to there being increased levels of autonomic nervous system disorders in people who are mixed-race.

Certainly such people are not adapted to any environment, from an evolutionary perspective, so they may be more suited towards being the perfect socialists' urban worker mob, than someone whose ancestors have toiled the same land for millennia, or who belongs to an endogamous ethno-culture.


Worry not about Inese, she 'has' bi-polar disorder, and the only cure for that is currently out of fashion in our culture.

Q. Which cure is that?

A. The bitch-slap.

She makes a lot of noise, and writes badly. It is her catharsis.

Next week she might be painting watercolours or doing macrame (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macram%C3%A9).

Who knows... who fucking cares? :)

[Jamt]

I dislike 'race-mixing', not because I dislike the mixing of races, but because it seems to occur as a result of negative trends in society, such as dispossession and forced migrations.

I no get? Dispossesion? mixed marregys (spelling)?

[Fortis in Arduis]

I no get? Dispossesion? mixed marriages?

If a community loses their money, land or power, their women or perhaps even their men may marry out of that community just to survive.

Does that help you understand now? :coffee:

Perhaps you thought that people race-mixed simply to upset Inese? :D

[Eldritch]

Non-European civilized nations for the most have yet to discover the limitless joys of multiracialism and multiculturalism. I've never been to Japan, but I'd wager that if you take stroll through the less affluent suburbs of Sapporo, you won't see tons of haggard chain-smoking fake-blonde women pushing prams with screaming brown shit factories in then.

To the extent that it really does happen, well, it's a pity, but what do I care.

[Eldritch]

If a community loses their money, land or power, their women or perhaps even their men may marry out of that community just to survive.

Does that help you understand now? :coffee:

Yep. One of Russia's main export products is mail-order brides.

[007]

By this I mean something along the lines of an Amerindian + SSA or Asian + SSA. What do you think about that.

I'm in favour of preserving the white race. What the others do is none of my business.

[nisse]

Non-European civilized nations for the most have yet to discover the limitless joys of multiracialism and multiculturalism. I've never been to Japan, but I'd wager that if you take stroll through the less affluent suburbs of Sapporo, you won't see tons of haggard chain-smoking fake-blonde women pushing prams with screaming brown shit factories in then.
The Japanese are the ethnicity most often involved in mixed-race couples in my environment, actually. They fetishize people of European decent.

On the general topic, it always surprises me and I think it's somewhat sad. Traditionally, there are barriers to mixed marriages from both sides, so even when people race mix with non-europeans, they are removing some of the stigma of mixed marriages and facilitating racemixing. Plus, the offsprings will be 100% cultureless and confused adding numbers to the carriers of low "culture" that prevails now, thus making it even harder to combat.

[Fortis in Arduis]

Non-European civilized nations for the most have yet to discover the limitless joys of multiracialism and multiculturalism. I've never been to Japan, but I'd wager that if you take stroll through the less affluent suburbs of Sapporo, you won't see tons of haggard chain-smoking fake-blonde women pushing prams with screaming brown shit factories in then.

To the extent that it really does happen, well, it's a pity, but what do I care.

We are miscegenating because of dispossession, which post-Imperial Japan does not suffer from.

Ergo, dispossession is the problem, not miscegenation.

Shhhh, do not tell Inese.

[Inese]

Worry not about Inese, she 'has' bi-polar disorder, and the only cure for that is currently out of fashion in our culture.

Q. Which cure is that?

A. The bitch-slap.

She makes a lot of noise, and writes badly. It is her catharsis.

Next week she might be painting watercolours or doing macrame (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macram%C3%A9).

Who knows... who fucking cares? :)
Hm you know, i think he can think for himself and dont need tips from stoned quarter gypsy yoga autists who get a stiff penis if he can cry over total little grammar errors of other people and makes friend with Indian swarthys :rolleyes2::nerd:

[Lulletje Rozewater]

Hm you know, i think he can think for himself and dont need tips from stoned quarter gypsy yoga autists who get a stiff penis if he can cry over total little grammar errors of other people and makes friend with Indian swarthys :rolleyes2::nerd:

:thumbs up:thumbs up Inese on the warpath.

[Groenewolf]

My opinion when neither participant in the race-mixing couple is European? Well in a certain sense I would disapprove of it. For the same reasons as I disapprove of it when one of the participants is European. So my opinion about it is still negative.

On the other hand I do care less about it. Because different people are involved. It is not something that affects us directly. It is more an issue for those other people and something for them to do something about.


I have read some material which points to there being increased levels of autonomic nervous system disorders in people who are mixed-race.

That sounds interesting. Got any links for this, or at least from what publications you got this information.


Worry not about Inese, she 'has' bi-polar disorder, and the only cure for that is currently out of fashion in our culture.

Q. Which cure is that?

A. The bitch-slap.

She makes a lot of noise, and writes badly. It is her catharsis.

Next week she might be painting watercolours or doing macrame (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macram%C3%A9).

Sorry, but there is no need to end you post with this :rolleyes: . It needlessly lowers the quality of your post.

[Fortis in Arduis]

That sounds interesting. Got any links for this, or at least from what publications you got this information.


The health consequences of race mixing among living organisms could be neutral, beneficial or harmful. This issue has been difficult to address in humans, but data from random, population-based studies have started coming in, and here we consider the first such dataset.

The data in question come from J. Richard Udry’s National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health, which sampled a random, nationally representative school-based sample of U.S. adolescents in grades 7 through 12, during 1994-1995. [1]

Paper-based questionnaires were completed by 83,135 adolescents; a random sub-sample of these individuals plus some individuals in the school roster that had not completed the paper-based questionnaire, totaling 18,924 adolescents, were interviewed at home. The data are reported for the home-interviewed sample.

Racial classifications are based on self-report; the participants were allowed to pick multiple racial categories to describe themselves. Table 1 shows participant characteristics. The participants were asked if they were Hispanic/Latino, but this was not considered to be a racial category. 86% of those who only chose “other” race also described themselves as Hispanic, and 46% of those who described themselves as Hispanic only chose “other” race. 72% of those identifying as American Indian also picked another racial category, usually white.



The data are presented in terms of odds ratios and statistical significance, both of which are briefly explained in the next paragraph, which knowledgeable individuals can skip.

The odds ratio (OR) is the number of times something is more prevalent in one group compared to another. Thus, OR = 2.0 means a two-fold greater prevalence, OR = 1.3 means a 1.3-fold greater prevalence, OR = 1.0 means no difference, OR = 0.5 means half as prevalent, and so on. A statistically significant difference is a difference that most likely represents a genuine difference between the groups compared rather than a difference due to chance factors alone. If the probability that the difference obtained is due to chance is less than 5%, then the difference is typically considered statistically significant, which is denoted as p < 0.05; similarly, if the probability that the difference obtained is due to chance is less than 1%, then this is designated as p < 0.01. All statistically significant differences in Tables 2-4 (p < 0.05) are marked by an asterisk. On the other hand, due to inadequate sample size, genuine differences may not reach statistical significance in a study, although trends toward differences may be clear.

Table 2 shows that mixed-race individuals had an across-the-board higher incidence of health and behavior problems; the specific health problems addressed were assessed in terms of whether they occurred frequently or every day of the previous month.



Given the overall picture in Table 2, sample size limitations, and the fact that the sample is random and representative, all values in Table 2 that are clearly greater than 1.00 but not statistically significant can be considered as genuinely reflecting increased likelihood of health/behavior problems among mixed-race adolescents, and this also applies to Table 3.

Now, it may be that adverse outcomes vary by race combinations. To examine this issue, Table 3 compares various mixed-race combos with their single-race counterparts on health/behavior issues. The general pattern seen in Table 2 is also seen in Table 3, i.e., irrespective of which races are combined, there is an overall increase in health/behavior problems among mixed-race adolescents.



Let us address one confound in interpreting the data in Tables 2 and 3. It is commonly observed that a disproportionate number of white women who end up with black men are obese. Obese women tend to have elevated testosterone levels. [2, 3] Some portion of testosterone is converted to dihydrotestosterone (DHT), which amplifies the effect of testosterone at certain targets. [4] DHT is also one of the culprits in the genesis of acne. [5] Therefore, a higher incidence of, say, acne in black/white-mixed offspring with a white mother could simply reflect inheritance of the genetics of elevated androgens from the obese white mother rather than an effect of race mixing.

The point above needs to be considered in a more general scenario. When the races occupying the same geographic region differ in status, as in present-day Western societies, members of the high-status race who marry those of a lower-status race tend to have low status within their group. There are, of course, many examples to the contrary: Carmen Electra (mostly white) with Dennis Rodman (black), Heidi Klum (white) with Seal (black), and David Bowie (white) with Iman (Somali), among others. However, the aforementioned trend is clear, which raises the possibility that the negative correlates of race mixing are largely related to the unhealthiness of one or both parents rather than the deleterious effects of race mixing. This potential confound can be addressed by statistically controlling for demographic variables.

The authors controlled for age, sex, verbal IQ, grade point average, family structure (living with one or both parents), and family education; education can act as a proxy for socioeconomic status, and given an inverse relation between socioeconomic status and obesity in white women, [6] education can also act as a proxy for obesity in the white mothers of the mixed-race adolescents. Controlling for all these factors left the general picture seen in Tables 2 and 3 unchanged; some statistically significant odds ratios lost statistical significance, but the ones greater than 1.00 can still be considered significant for the reasons addressed above, and there were very few instances of greater-than-1.00 odds ratios diminishing to less than 1.00. Therefore, one can conclude that the negative health/behavior consequences of race mixing are related to race mixing per se rather than the variables controlled for.

The authors mention that the most common explanation of their find, which has also been reported by others using non-random samples, is that stress associated with identity conflict or struggle with identity formation is the culprit, but they also note that there is no proof in this regard. [1] Indeed, it is difficult to believe that struggle with identity formation is responsible for an across-the-board increase in health/behavior problems in mixed-race adolescents. How does struggle with identity formation lead to a higher incidence of skin problems?

An across-the-board increase in health problems should be evaluated in light of the basic architecture of physiological control, wherein the brain and the autonomic nervous system (ANS) are especially relevant. As is seen in the figure below, the ANS is involved in the autonomic (involuntary; automatic) regulation of organs, and its abnormalities could easily be behind Udry’s data.



ANS abnormalities are implicated in behavior problems such as excessive aggression, [7-11] atopy (a group of diseases such as asthma, skin problems such as eczema and psoriasis, allergies, runny nose, sinusitis, migraine), [12-16] headaches, [17-22] and a variety of health problems (see any textbook of medical physiology). Further, damaging some portions of the brain in rats increases the likelihood of cocaine or stimulant dependence, [23, 24] and something similar undoubtedly applies to humans, too. Besides, a number of brain abnormalities are common to both depression and drug dependence, [25] and substance use is more prevalent among mentally ill individuals. [26]

Therefore, to the extent that race mixing may increase the likelihood of non-optimal genetic correlation structures, it may be expected to adversely affect organism-level physiological control, which may very well account for Udry’s data.

Alternatively, since part of the ANS deals with stressors, chronic social stressors could themselves cause a number of health problems. In this regard, the data in Tables 2 and 3 do not vary as a function of whether the adolescent is living with one or two parents or as a function of family education, which can act as a proxy for socioeconomic status. Being teased/ostracized for being mixed race also requires consideration, but it cannot be argued that during the time period of the childhood years of the Americans examined, a substantial number of the mixed-race children would have experienced ostracism/discrimination due to being mixed race, especially since a number of them would have grown up in large metropolitan areas, which are known to be more diverse and tolerant. Moreover, the general preference in the African-American community is to prefer African-Americans with lighter skin, [27, 28] and lighter-skinned African-Americans also tend to have higher IQs than their darker counterparts (Table 4, [29]), which should reduce academic stress. In other words, black/white-mixed individuals, who would typically be assigned and raised as African-Americans, are not necessarily really worse off compared to their darker counterparts with respect to being ostracized/marginalized. Additionally, given white preference for Caucasian features and to the extent that Asian-Americans are envious of some of the facial features of whites, Asian/white-mixed individuals are less apt to be teased for their facial features than the less mixed Asians-Americans. And once again, there is no proof that struggle with identity formation explains Udry’s data. Also, the typical mixed-race adolescent with a white parent should have no doubts as to whether he is white; he wouldn’t look anything like a white person. Further, the data in Tables 2 and 3 do not vary as a function of age, which is relevant because the mixed-race individuals should have resolved their racial identity by their late teens.

On the other hand, there exist several examples in the animal literature where matings between more genetically distant individuals within the same species/different races result in offspring that are less healthy than the parents, on average, [30-37] and this cannot be blamed upon struggle with identity formation. There also exist examples of hybrid vigor, but nothing remotely close to hybrid vigor is seen in Udry’s data.

Consider also the fact that the genetic correlation structures manifesting as different races are so distinct that when a computer was asked to classify DNA data (326 microsatellite markers) from 3,636 individuals self-identifying as either white, East Asian, African-American, or Hispanic, into clusters, without being told which DNA sample came from which racial group, the computer clustered the DNA data into 4 groups, classifying all but 5 individuals into the correct self-identified racial group. [38]

Therefore, a parsimonious explanation of the across-the-board negative health correlates of race mixing in Udry’s data is that race mixing involving notably different races such as human races, by increasing the likelihood of non-optimal genetic correlation structures, increases the likelihood of deleterious effects.

Udry’s data are compatible with the likelihood of race mixing improving one or more parental traits in some mixed-race offspring, who may be better off than both parents on multiple counts, provided that a greater number of mixed-race offspring are overall worse off than both parents. The former possibility is surely not implausible given that the tremendous racial and species diversity out there implies that nature does not rule out equally-well functioning/better functioning novel genetic correlation structures, which could be brought about by race mixing, though the chances of improvement would typically be slim if more distant races are involved.

Further, those identifying as mixed-race in this study would generally have greater genetic admixture than those identifying as single-race. It is seen in Table 2 that those identifying as mixed race have worse health than even populations known to be highly admixed (American black, Native American, Hispanic). This could be accounted for if one assumes that first-generation hybrids who have the worst health/behavior problems would disproportionately not be very successful in reproducing, i.e., the healthier mixed offspring could, within a few generations, set up a mixed-race population that is healthier, on average, compared to the first-generation hybrids, but for this mixed-race population to approach or exceed the overall health of the original single-race populations, it would take many generations of [naturally] weeding out the unhealthy and settling toward a novel population-typical genetic correlation structure that corresponds to good health (more on this and on hybrid vigor in a subsequent post).

To conclude, it is irresponsible for any scientific organization to pretend that race mixing has no adverse health effects and it is obviously inappropriate to portray race mixing as desirable or virtuous.

Extra stuff (for those interested in additional details):

Table 4 compares mixed-race adolescents with their single-race counterparts on several measures. The GPA (grade point average) and the PVT (picture vocabulary test) categories feature the percentage of individuals in the 75th percentile of the entire sample.



Some of the responses to self-identified race differed between the school-based and home-based assessments (16% of entire sample). Over 90% of the respondents self-identifying as white only, black only, or Asian only at school, self-identified as the same race at home; the changes involved adding/substituting “other” race. Somewhat less than half the respondents picking multiple races at school picked the same categories at the home interview, and to the extent that those identifying as multiracial in school identified as single race at home, given the picture in Table 2, these individuals are likely making the single-race individuals look worse. 34% of those identifying as American Indian only at school identified as white only at home, and 77% of those identifying as white/American Indian at school identified as white only at home, but American Indians were a miniscule percentage of the study sample. The inconsistent responses among the mixed-race adolescents may have resulted from context (school vs. home), assessment technique (paper-based vs. interview), ambiguity of question asking about race, or lack of a fully developed racial concept at the time of the assessment. [1]

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Sorry, but there is no need to end you post with this :rolleyes: . It needlessly lowers the quality of your post.

Oh, but Inese's response is so 'lovely'. ;)

See this post:


But you have no race you are mixed!! :rolleyes2: You have nothing to preserve or do you want to preserve your racemix?? It would be a big burden for your children, you know? You can marry a European and you would make your children to mixed children and it would be the total same if you marry a Asian or a Black or what ever ---- You are a victim of mixed race and it is your decision if you want to continue it with new generations of mixed people

Inese was not even answering Stefan's question, she was being bi-polar, and bi-polar is boring. I have met bi-polar before and I know what the cure is.

:coffee:


Hm you know, i think he can think for himself and dont need tips from stoned quarter gypsy yoga autists who get a stiff penis if he can cry over total little grammar errors of other people and makes friend with Indian swarthys :rolleyes2::nerd:

Inese, you are a filthy, disgusting medicated tramp.

Never before on these fora have I encountered a worthless, intellectually retarded and gormless individual such as yourself.

I suggest that you take a long hard look in the mirror, and ask yourself what your life is really for.

[safinator]

I don't care at all:)

[rhiannon]

In principle, I care as much as I should about any sort of racemixing in general. It's all about the scale, IMO.

On a small scale, I have no issue with it. However, as with the case of European/non-European racemixing, encouraging interracial marriages, et al, to happen on a large scale would have deleterious effects on the peoples involved over the long run, which is not a good thing if we collectively wish to preserve the intrinsic diversity in the human race.

[blaidd]

It's unnatural, however the white race is 7% of the worlds population so right now I'm mostly worried about us.

[SticktoYourOwn]

The Japanese are the ethnicity most often involved in mixed-race couples in my environment, actually. They fetishize people of European decent.

On the general topic, it always surprises me and I think it's somewhat sad. Traditionally, there are barriers to mixed marriages from both sides, so even when people race mix with non-europeans, they are removing some of the stigma of mixed marriages and facilitating racemixing. Plus, the offsprings will be 100% cultureless and confused adding numbers to the carriers of low "culture" that prevails now, thus making it even harder to combat.

Stats don't lie...international marriage in Japan still means Japanese Man and Asian Woman

In 2006 there were 735,132 marriages in Japan, of which 40,154 involved a foreign bride, and 8,708 involved a foreign groom. Foreign-born women who married a Japanese-born man were predominantly born in the Philippines (12,150), China (12,131), Korea (6,041), Thailand (1,676) and Brazil (285).

[research_centre]

But you have no race you are mixed!! :rolleyes2: You have nothing to preserve or do you want to preserve your racemix?? It would be a big burden for your children, you know? You can marry a European and you would make your children to mixed children and it would be the total same if you marry a Asian or a Black or what ever ---- You are a victim of mixed race and it is your decision if you want to continue it with new generations of mixed people

What are you talking about? He isn't bi-racial. He is as mixed as you are or any of us are if his family are both sides of European origin.

What did you mean by what you said, because frankly an English class for you would be in order.

[SticktoYourOwn]

Do blacks procreating with mexicans bother anyone??

[Supreme American]

Do blacks procreating with mexicans bother anyone??

They bother Mexicans. Mexicans hate blacks.

[Agrippa]

Basically, like in all cases of mixture, it is about who wins and who loses, the conditions under which mixture takes place.

For example, if a racially progressive and culturally advanced father has children with a lower standing woman in her territory, that is no big issue, but rather an expansion of favourable traits, if it goes the other way around, it is a problem, because such trends decrease the biological quality of mankind.

So mixture as such is never the main issue, the real question is which traits and variants spread and which being replaced, that is crucial and truly important for the future.

F.e. in some parts of India herder-warrior groups still expand over the territories of more primitive Weddoid populations - so, while I don't say that's always nice, it is alright from the point of view of biological and cultural progression, yet if lower class Indians have more offspring, and more often less favourable traits than their higher level counterparts, that is a problem dysgenic trend, contraselection.

The same can be applied to everything and everywhere, mixture can improve, it can spread positive traits, or it can replace something more valuable. It always depends on the conditions under which it takes place.

F.e. in Europe today, the main problem is, that Europeans have not enough children and being replaced by mixture and higher foreign birth rates in their own territories, while being usually on a higher level and better adaptated to the habitat and culture. This is therefore a purely negative trend, but not because of mixture as such, but because our own biological interests being threatened and the outcome is negative both for us and mankind.

On the other hand, if we would expand in other territories and producing mixed-higher level variants which combine our positive traits with the regional adaptation of the locals, this would be a human progress and improve our genetic spread and diversity, as well as the quality and potential of the locals.

Now some purists would say that this would make them better competitors and more difficult to separate from us, but that's another issue which needs to be discussed on its own and for every individual case in question.

Generally speaking however, if looking through the world, I view things always the same: Closer related or more desirable and progressive - or not? Who wins by this or that process...

[Absinthe]

I have the same opinion as with Europeans:

It's not my business but ideally it's best for people pick someone of their own heritage for various reasons.

[SticktoYourOwn]

They bother Mexicans. Mexicans hate blacks.


if that was so then why do mexican women aggresively chase after black men in the Southwest

[Joseph Czeszyk]

Well in my opinion I think that miscegenation is dangerous due to many reasons.

And when you start mixing you get the result of something which is not favorable at all for any of both participants. I'm the kind of person who thinks that everyone has the right to live because this life worth a lot but we need to understand that there're rules that were not made to be broken and this is one of them.

When you start thinking about preserving your race you'll be saving not only your kids but seeding a better future for them and for the kids of our kids who will keep building what our ancestors a long time ago had started to build for the generations to come. Breeding is the only rational way to gain more terrain.

In other words miscegenation is genocide and it's a way to wipe your heritage off the map.

[Minesweeper]

For me, only my people and race are worth preserving. I don't care about the rest. Their business.

[Fortis in Arduis]

But you have no race you are mixed!! :rolleyes2: You have nothing to preserve or do you want to preserve your racemix?? It would be a big burden for your children, you know? You can marry a European and you would make your children to mixed children and it would be the total same if you marry a Asian or a Black or what ever ---- You are a victim of mixed race and it is your decision if you want to continue it with new generations of mixed people

^ The late Inese attacking Stefan, the OP.

This was the thread which started our little contretemps.


This was what she said to me for defending Stefan against these insults:



Hm you know, i think he can think for himself and dont need tips from stoned quarter gypsy yoga autists who get a stiff penis if he can cry over total little grammar errors of other people and makes friend with Indian swarthys :rolleyes2::nerd:


:evil Die bitch die! :evil

[Joseph Czeszyk]

Well yeah I guess that we shouldn't care for the rest. I just was trying to sound nice in order to avoid being kick out of this Forum.

[Fortis in Arduis]

I dislike 'race-mixing', not because I dislike the mixing of races, but because it seems to occur as a result of negative trends in society, such as dispossession and forced migrations.

So yes, I feel that it is tragic, for the circumstances under which it tends to occur.

Is it sad that two multimillionaires get together and have mixed-race children? Not really. They can toddle off in their designer clothes.

It is sad when a poor mixed-race child is born who will become the likely victim of violence in a time of strife, simply because he has no community to belong to.

People who were mixed Croatian-Serbian, for example, had a tough time when communal tensions arose in the former Yugoslavia.

That is not much of a mix, is it? Still, it was troublesome and laws of ethnicity were drafted and implemented.

I have read some material which points to there being increased levels of autonomic nervous system disorders in people who are mixed-race.

Certainly such people are not adapted to any environment, from an evolutionary perspective, so they may be more suited towards being the perfect socialists' urban worker mob, than someone whose ancestors have toiled the same land for millennia, or who belongs to an endogamous ethno-culture.

If a community loses their money, land or power, their women or perhaps even their men may marry out of that community just to survive.

We are miscegenating because of dispossession, which post-Imperial Japan, for example, does not suffer from.

Ergo, dispossession is the problem, not miscegenation.

[Siegfried]

I still don't agree to it, but it doesn't affect me as much as when my own do it (just like somebody else's son being killed doesn't affect you as much as your own dying, though you still care).