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Chauvet
04-01-2014, 09:06 PM
Hi everyone.

I've become a bit of a Chauvet cave art fan, but in a way that has had a major impact on my life this last year or so.

I have a problem which I am trying to get sorted out. I believe I have discovered something that might have a huge impact on our understanding of our ancient past. If I'm right, that is..

Before I get going, I'd like to say that I have heard all the comments of "we see what we want to see" etc before but the art proves itself by replicating an image or representing certain things that are the same in different ways.
I have also had one image confirmed by the now late Catherine Acholonu (United Nations forum for art and culture member) so that alone has boosted my beliefs in what I've found.

I seek help and assistance in getting everything I have got looked at, checked, researched, backed up and hopefully confirmed. as a long term goal a video would nice and field trips to certain places. I have self published a book on everything i have so far (not going to link to it or my site until I am fully aware that I am allowed to do so on this forum).

So, I need to show you some of what I am talking about

The Chauvet cave art is 30,000 years old approximately, give or take a few thousand years (though I noticed in one of your threads that this date is being "questioned". I have replied to it and am linking it here for record keeping http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?117722-Chavet-cave-art-dating-in-question ) It featured in Werner Herzogs film, Chauvet the cave of forgotten dreams and it was from this film that my adventure began.

Whilst watching it, I thought I was seeing things that should not be there and were not exactly what was being described by the specialists. I kept putting these things down to coincidence and "seeing what i wanted to see" even though it turns out I really was seeing something rather incredible.

What eventually got my full on attention was one character.. a hippo. he had been painted facing downwards and was the only creature of his type in the entire art work.
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I have rotated him so that he is effectively standing on his hind legs.

So I got searching on the idea that had sunk into my head given to me by the hints ther previous 'coincidence' images had given me and I looked into the ancient Egyptian culture and its art and aymbols etc.
What I found shook me to the core.

In this image we see the hippo in the cave and on the tomb ceiling of Seti 1st. I have highlited the other matching components of the two images to show how exactly close they are.
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There is a lot to all of this and I'm trying to keep it short and concise

There is one image that is said to be a horses head, yet it is so badly drawn in compariosn to all of the other horses that it has to be something else. Yes it is joined to a horses body which is very faintly drawn so the emphasis was given to the 'head' and it was one of the images that first got me suspiscious.
It's the eye of Ra, it also has the left side of a guman face embeded behind it too. The white/grey shading forms the forehead, temple, left ear and cheek whilst the main eye socket has a typical human shape and nothing has been drawn in that area.
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Now to the image that Catherine Acholonu verified. It is one of two images that can be found by the 'mirroring' method. Both can be found on the direct vertical meaning that no manipulation of the images needs to be done and that both were created with intent.
I am enclosing a Roman relief in order to show you the amazing similarity (another one)
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Now, it looks like two lions 'rampant' guarding a chalice, cup or grail.. a very typical image we see in modern heraldry today.

Here is Catherines take on it..

The leopards/tigers in mirror-image are very very intriguing. They are witnessing the birth of Atum/Amun – the Son of the Mother Goddess in the Egyptian Zep Tepi (First Time)! The mirror leopards, watching, witnessing represent The Watchers – the Cosmic Gods. I see two humanoid beings in the center, the one above is a Father/Mother figure wearing a crown with arms outstretched like a BAT, legs outstretched, giving birth. He/She is giving birth to the lower figure who looks like the SON. This lower figure is also with outstretched arms. He is lunching forward/thrusting his arms and shoulders forward like a swimmer in water. His head is bent down. His face is partially hidden, looking downwards, while the crown of his head is showing very clearly. He also looks like a BAT or BATMAN coming out of his Mountain Home. (The Bat is the animal that lives in the Dark, and it is a Black animal, just as it is portrayed in Batman movies. It is the dweller in all dark Caves everywhere. It dwells in Hiding. It is thus the metaphor for the Hidden God of the Egyptian Duat Atum-Ra/Amun/Tmu). A flat-topped phallic Mountain (monolith/lingam) is located directly below him on the ground, shaped like an inverted U. It is the Egyptian Primeval Mound or Benben where Atum stood to utter the original Creative Act after he emerged from the womb of the Chaotic Waters of NUN. Thus this lower figure is AMUN-RA (Atum/Tmu) rising from the Womb of Chaotic Nun at the moment of First Creation.

The image also represents Osiris resurrecting from his Tomb in the Underworld DUAT in a future time, wch is NOW – the new Age of Enlightenment. All in all the image captures the Egyptian First Time (Zep Tepi) when Atum rose from the Abyss of the Primeval Waters to begin the Creative Act. The only witnesses to this event were Cosmic Beings, represented in the Art with the metaphor of animals, for man had not yet been called forth (created). The animals represent COSMIC beings (the so-called KAs or KASHIs of the Egyptian Zep Tepi, who were companions of Atum in the Moment of First Creation (Zep Tepi). Leopards are totems of female cat-goddesses of Egypt, such as Sekhmet and Wadjet.

Their presence indicates that only goddesses were in existence when Atum was born. They were the midwives of his emergence from the womb of Nun. Goddesses were the mothers of the gods. And God (Atum) was born by a Goddess, who is called Nne Chukwu (Mother of God) among the aboriginal Igbos of Nigeria. By the way, the famous NUN River of Egyptian mythology is a Delta river physically located in the Lower Niger area of Nigeria, so too is the celebrated AN/On (Igbo ONU) – the Opening into the Bottomless Pit, wch leads into the Underground Duat in the mythical Land of the Dead which the Egyptians called AMANA, BUT WHICH IS ALSO A PHYSICAL PLACE IN IGBOLAND – A VILLAGE OF THE DEAD CALLED ‘AMANA’ BY IGBO NATIVES.

Now i am going to fet into something that has me really confused. This is the second image that was found by mirroring. In the original cave art you can only see its left side which ties in with the left sided 'eye of Ra' posted above...
Who is this? What is it? why is it in the art? Why was it hidden?
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There is a lot more to the art, some of it is so 'out there' that when i was writing the book i was questioning myself and everything I'd seen, but i had to carry on and get it all down on paper as it really is an amazing journey.

All said and done, i believe that the art holds the secret to the foundations of the ancient Egyptian culture. Proving it is another thing and this is now my mission.

Neanderthal
04-02-2014, 03:16 PM
Very interesting, although you will have to justify a large gap between the Upper Paleolithic and early Egypt, unless you probably have some other theory for this?

Chauvet
04-02-2014, 03:45 PM
Yes, i realise that might be a bit of a problem :)
I have thought about this before and there are several possible reasons, all of which may be used in combination.

1. The hidden "messages" inside the artwork have been blended in such a way that only those who knew what was there were able to read it, giving an heirarchy (high priests/leaders/wise men etc.) and this knowledge was passed down the line just as the aborigninals in australia pass down their dream time stories. Of course, this also gives birth to 'secret societies' and other groups who hold and control 'holy' knowledge. If you wanted to keep something secret then you do your best to gide it. If anyone else saw the artwork, they'd just see a bunch of animals on a wall.. but to the initiated, they'd see the whole story..

2. I have a sneeky feeling that this is not the only place that we will find art like this. you do not put all your eggs in one basket. I think it is highly likely that there will be another set somewhere that is waiting to be found. If so, then it will back up this set as the art in chauvet has a habbit of 'backing itself up' by leading you to realise that one image is the follow on from the first image etc. which confirms what you first saw.

3. Someone has deliberately distorted our time lines. Or we have not yet uncovered the origins of these ancient people. the sahara is a big place. If I am right with this art being the basis for the ancient Egyptian culture, then we must not forget where this art is.. It is not in Egypt, it's in France. If there was evidence to suggest that there was a civilisation that existed all that time ago that was able to travel near and far then a lot of people today would be rather upset. These people include those of religious groups, corporations, certain historians and the like. I do not know if you are aware of the mess that Zahi Hawass has created but some believe he was not just a dodgy government employee but was also implicit in the hiding of data, knowledge and new finds that distract from the truth of the region.. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/18/egypts-iconic-antiquities_n_901257.html

4. One 'way out' theory could be that the people of that time are still here (their descendents). The art is very clever and very technical and created with such skill that a high level of knowledge must have been used in order to create it.

5. The missing link is out there somewhere waiting to be found.

There is a lot more to all this than just the portion in my above post as I have written a book on it all. some of the things I have discovered defy belief, but from what I found in the art, I've been left with even more questions than I started with..

Neanderthal
04-02-2014, 04:34 PM
I do believe that most main stream religions branched somehow from a more primitive one, but don't you think this is a bit of a long shot? Marie Cachet and Varg Vikernes propose the Bear Cult for the Neanderthal religion, which it 'evolved' in the ancient Indo-European initiation rite/reincarnation, although i'm not sure about this either, i'm much more inclined to think that Neanderthal had indeed a complex relation with the underworld but it was probably a bit different of what we have now.

Interesting you mention Australian Aborigines, i'm fascinated by The Wandjina. ;)

Chauvet
04-02-2014, 05:41 PM
There is one theory that reckons that a lot of our religions all stem from ancient Egyptian belief system.
Perhaps you've seen this video. Like everything else, it may have its errors, yet it is very interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w
also you may be interested inthe work of these two guys
They believe they have evidence in Australia that is of ancient Egyptian origin
http://forgottenorigin.com/

If both of these cases are correct then what I have found in the cave art cannot be too far wrong. Yes, some of what I have put into my book may a bit too much of a stretch of the imagination but I had to include one item in particular due to its extreme similarity to one of the images in the cave. This particular image I may never, ever be able to prove yet it is very interesting just to see it for comaprison.
(gotta work out this image posting thing)
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There is another image that is also similar to the 'eye' that I found in the cave, and I found it by following the 'story' in the art.. You can see it for yourself just below Tehran next to Namak lake.. yeah, it gets that strange.. nonetheless, this area looks like it has had some form of groundworks going on, cimilar to the Nazca lines..

When you see this comparison, make note of the black blob on the left of the cave image and notice this same blob is on the left of the 'crater' too..
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Chauvet
04-02-2014, 06:12 PM
To add, there was something unusual that cropped up the other day.
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2014/03/28/former-world-bank-senior-council-says-a-second-species-on-earth-controls-money-religion/

and this video is where she states it too;
disclosure begins approx. 23:00 into the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcwnbQzNz9Q

If there really is a second species here that have these cone shaped heads, then perhaps this explains the variosu cone shaped skulls found around the world rather than these skulls being shaped from birth by humans using bonds etc.

Neanderthal
04-02-2014, 06:39 PM
Sounds more like scapegoats to divert attention from real oligarchs, but very interesting nevertheless. :)

Chauvet
04-03-2014, 09:29 AM
Yes, very possible. But what strikes a chord more than anything else is the person who is declaring this. It's not often someone like that stands up and says something.
Yes, we get our nutjobs. Some may say the same about my observations in the chauvet cave art, but time has shown us that occasionally there is a snippit of truth in all that we here.