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Falkata

01-27-2010, 06:25 AM

The pics were taken in a folk festival in my homecity

http://www.dimehoteles.com/Imagenes/mapasituacion-Vigo-729.gif

http://www.vigoenfotos.com/imagenes/ocio/muneira06/g_vigoenfotos_8643k.jpg
http://www.vigoenfotos.com/imagenes/ocio/muneira06/g_vigoenfotos_8655k.jpg
http://www.vigoenfotos.com/imagenes/ocio/muneira06/g_vigoenfotos_8649k.jpg
http://www.vigoenfotos.com/imagenes/ocio/muneira06/g_vigoenfotos_8479k.jpg
http://www.vigoenfotos.com/imagenes/ocio/muneira06/g_vigoenfotos_8578k.jpg
http://www.vigoenfotos.com/imagenes/ocio/muneira06/g_vigoenfotos_8533k.jpg
http://www.vigoenfotos.com/imagenes/ocio/muneira06/g_vigoenfotos_8510k.jpg
http://www.vigoenfotos.com/imagenes/ocio/muneira06/g_vigoenfotos_8474k.jpg
http://www.vigoenfotos.com/imagenes/ocio/muneira06/g_vigoenfotos_8581k.jpg
http://www.vigoenfotos.com/imagenes/ocio/muneira06/g_vigoenfotos_8616k.jpg
http://www.vigoenfotos.com/imagenes/ocio/muneira06/g_vigoenfotos_8660k.jpg
http://www.vigoenfotos.com/imagenes/ocio/muneira04/g_vigoenfotos_7177d.jpg
http://www.vigoenfotos.com/imagenes/ocio/muneira04/g_vigoenfotos_7100d.jpg
http://www.vigoenfotos.com/imagenes/ocio/muneira04/g_vigoenfotos_7095d.jpg
http://www.vigoenfotos.com/imagenes/ocio/muneira04/g_vigoenfotos_7074d.jpg
http://www.vigoenfotos.com/imagenes/ocio/muneira04/g_vigoenfotos_7073d.jpg
http://www.vigoenfotos.com/imagenes/ocio/muneira04/g_vigoenfotos_7064d.jpg

Oinakos Growion

06-23-2010, 02:34 AM

Well, for the record, here's a set of pictures of Galicians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galician_people). I've tried to find persons who, to the best of my knowledge, are 100% Galician and Galician only.
I went for a random selection of famous people (easier to google :P) and random groups (towards the end). I could have made it all blondes or brunettes, and even redheads, but it's reality we're trying to reflect here, right? I mean, types of native people you could find on the street.

And sure, the Spanish members in the forum could say "hey! they're Spanish too!". Yeah well, whatever, in political terms they're right and I won't discuss that. But since we're recognized as a differentiated ethnic group I'll still post the pics here, for the record, as I said ;)

Paula Vázquez (TV presenter)
http://servicios.laverdad.es/panorama/fotos/gent040605.jpg

Nacho Novo (footballer)
http://d.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/ng/sp/empics/20090801/21/2193898889-01082009212730.jpg

Míchel Salgado (footballer)
http://www.topnews.in/files/michel-salgado.jpg

Bieito Romero (musician)
http://www.blogoteca.com/upload/bit/arti/591-80664-a-bieito.jpg

Carlos Núñez (musician)
http://www.daktari-music.com/images/stories/photos/nunez-hr.jpg

Xavier López Noya (athlete)
http://www.apeneira.com/dixital/images/stories/deportes/gomez_noya_mundo.jpg

Susana Seivane (musician) *sigh* :D
http://www.boa.es/promocion/susana_seivane/10002035_img/seivane_03.jpg

Maria Castro (actress) *sight* part II :D
http://tvoh.es/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/maria-20castro-small.jpg

Martiño Rivas (actor)
http://www.culturagalega.org/avg/avg_imax/retratos/marinorivas.jpg

Silvia Jato (journalist)
http://www.swotti.com/tmp/swotti/cacheC2LSDMLHIGPHDG8=/imgSilvia%20Jato2.jpg

Luís Tosar (actor)
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_nDQSsJY2Oto/SWei6BWmalI/AAAAAAAAAaE/HcBjGwSkn9I/s400/luis+tosar.JPG

Óscar Pereiro (cyclist)
http://www.equipecyclistecaisse-epargne.fr/Fiche%20Oscar%20Pereiro%202007.jpg

Xosé Manuel Budiño (musician)
http://pics.myspaceprofiles.org/718/l/209620718.jpg

Sonia Castelo (journalist)
http://www.cuatro.com/recorte/20090310ctoultpro_66/FG663H/Ies/

Manuel Rivas (writer/poet)
http://www.srpublications.com/tools/Foreign_language/images/manuel_rivas.jpg

Luz Casal (singer)
http://nancyzamher.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/luz_casal1.jpg

Cristina Saavedra (journalist)
http://www.elcorreogallego.es/img/noticias/20090823/24cuerpo_284812.jpg

"O Gayoso" (believe it or not, the main star of Galician TV :D)
http://malodeaturar.blogaliza.org/files/2006/06/Gayoso%20chimp%C3%ADn.jpg

Iolanda Castaño (again, believe it or not, she's a writer/poet, not a pornstar)
https://lgsxx.wikispaces.com/file/view/yolanda_castanho.jpg/74547443/yolanda_castanho.jpg

And to keep it balanced:

Xosé Manuel Beiras (politician; left wing)
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_tNB3cuIaR1I/RoQaUza8EfI/AAAAAAAAAvs/pkGk0Tar2y4/s320/15c_28214.jpg

Xosé Cuiña (politician; right wing)
http://www.laregion.es/resize.php?pic=imagenes/elementos/168_MD15%285732%29.jpg&tipo=350

Random groups:

Random bagpipers and other people at some random festivity
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/Gaiteiros_em_romaria_galega.jpg

And more
http://adventurezone.com.br/img_editor/10.%20Banda%20galega.JPG

Random musicians (yeah, we spent half of our time playing music, so what? :D)
http://www.vigoenfotos.com/imagenes/ocio/concierto/g_vigoenfotos_1779c.jpg

Lots of Galicians in the one place. Party? yay!
http://www.elcorreogallego.es/servicios/galeriagrafica/1066/grandes/15687.jpg

Historical reenactment of the attempted Viking conquest of Galicia. They put up a decent fight but we sent them back home with some bruises ;) The girl in the pic is taking it a bit too seriously though... :D
http://estaticos.20minutos.es/img/2008/08/04/855120.jpg

Not the only one!
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2501/3818215955_37580f9f0f.jpg

Would you jump in the middle of a bunch of wild horses and bring them down to tame them? We call that partying too :)
http://www.magazinetimepass.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/rapa_das_bestas-spanish_horse_wrestling_festival3.jpg

http://www.xabierpita.es/upload/090707/sabucedo.jpg

Although in this one I think she got the target wrong! lol
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_40MRpOLQdB4/SLnnDvmAybI/AAAAAAAABGU/r_UO_l01J3g/s400/horsewrestling15.jpg

Leap of faith
http://i34.tinypic.com/2nunhns.jpg

(no harm is done to the horses it must be said; they're wild but they also "know" this happens once a year, so they even "play" with the humans ;))

I'll post more some other day... Requests accepted :P

Sahson

06-23-2010, 05:47 AM

Grazie signor,

Thank you for sharing Paula Vázquez, Cristina Saavedra, they are very nice looking.

I think I am somewhat similar to the Galician, clicky (http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu120/SoliloCey/NewHaircut.jpg). Would I stand out among the Galicians?

Falkata

06-23-2010, 08:56 AM

Good post, maybe we should merge them?

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12661

Treffie

06-23-2010, 08:59 AM

Threads merged.

Oinakos Growion

06-23-2010, 10:19 AM

Ah! there was a thread already! My apologies. This happens for not using the "search" option before posting stuff... :D

Thank you for sharing Paula Vázquez, Cristina Saavedra, they are very nice looking
Oh yeah :cool:

I think I am somewhat similar to the Galician, clicky (http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu120/SoliloCey/NewHaircut.jpg). Would I stand out among the Galicians?
Not stand out, but I guess you wouldn't be automatically recognized as a Galician either. You could "pass" though. The people above is people you see and say "hellyeah, they couldn't be from somewhere else" (in our eyes).
I'm not that good at explaining exactly why, but one can tell native Galicians from other people and I guess it has to do mostly with the nose and overall facial structure and shape. Pigmentation, eye colour, etc comes later.
Older folk are very good at spotting who's who and even telling regions within Galicia; this is getting lost as we're slowly but gradually getting "multi-cultural" :P

Bridie

06-23-2010, 11:57 AM

Maria Castro looks like a typical British lass. And Luis Tosar looks much like Robbie Williams. :p

Oinakos Growion

06-23-2010, 12:04 PM

Maria Castro looks like a typical British lass
Yep. But I still find her the "typical Galician redhead" ;) Too bad they're on the decrease... They never were too many, but still, it wasn't rare. Soon it'll become rare though.
My maternal grandma was a redhead and that was the end on my family line :'(

And Luis Tosar looks much like Robbie Williams
Sweetbabyjaysus!!! :D Now I'll have nightmares! :D

Bridie

06-23-2010, 12:11 PM

Yep. But I still find her the "typical Galician redhead" ;) Too bad they're on the decrease... They never were too many, but still, it wasn't rare. Soon it'll become rare though.
My maternal grandma was a redhead and that was the end on my family line :'(
Not the end, quite likely. Red hair is a recessive trait. :p

Oinakos Growion

06-23-2010, 12:19 PM

Well, she was a redhead with bluish/greenish eyes (according to what my mother says) and grandpa on that side had dark hair/blue eyes. My mother ended up being blonde/blue eyes, go figure.
On the paternal side they're all blonde/blue eyes (father, grandparents, etc).
I ended up dark hair/blue eyes (maternal grandpa) and my brothers and sisters blonde/blue eyes. I actually stand out in the family :P
The only hints of the maternal grandma would be some random red hair in the beard if I let it grow and one of my sisters with a greenish shade in the blue of her eyes :P
But hey, who knows, maybe if I have enough children... :D

Sahson

06-24-2010, 01:26 AM

Ah! there was a thread already! My apologies. This happens for not using the "search" option before posting stuff... :D

Oh yeah :cool:

Not stand out, but I guess you wouldn't be automatically recognized as a Galician either. You could "pass" though. The people above is people you see and say "hellyeah, they couldn't be from somewhere else" (in our eyes).
I'm not that good at explaining exactly why, but one can tell native Galicians from other people and I guess it has to do mostly with the nose and overall facial structure and shape. Pigmentation, eye colour, etc comes later.
Older folk are very good at spotting who's who and even telling regions within Galicia; this is getting lost as we're slowly but gradually getting "multi-cultural" :P

non, podo entender o que está dicindo Oinakos Growion. Sei que o meu nariz destaca da multitude, pero eu penso que a estrutura do rostro era semellante ao seu pobo. Meu pai é o apelido se quere que sexa de orixe Bretaña, entón, quizais unha cousa celtic? Estou moi impresionado que os máis vellos poden dicir a diferenza entre o seu tipo.

Oinakos Growion

06-24-2010, 02:04 PM

O dito, nom serias "estranho", mas tamém nom "automaticamente" galego/galaico. Aliás, estou a falar da comparaçom de pessoal com umha ascendência 100% galega, claro.
You wouldn't stand out but wouldn't be automatically recognised as Galician either. Then again, I'm comparing with people who are 100% natives.

Estou moi impresionado que os máis vellos poden dicir a diferenza entre o seu tipo
Pode-se dizer que hai umhas determinadas tipologias dependendo da zona - mais umha vez, falando só de pessoal exclusivamente nativo. Umha velha até quase sabe de que família és com umha olhada :D Eu ainda estou a aprender mas vou fazendo :) Lembremos que, tradicionalmente, quando um se identifica na Galiza tem de dizer o nome da família (da nai!) e a paróquia de procedência.
One could say there's different "types" depending on the area (shire), but then again I'm talking about pure natives only. Some old ladies could even say your family by taking one look at you! I'm still learning. Let's remember that when you identify yourself in Galicia, in the traditional way, you have to say the name of your family (on the mother's side!) and parish of origin

Falkata

04-28-2011, 11:33 PM

Galicians from my homecity celebrating the independence from Napoleon´s France

http://mas.farodevigo.es/galeria/img/2011/3/1041/9505475604d9043311a7682.94965251-A2-3326993.jpg

http://mas.farodevigo.es/galeria/img/2011/3/1041/2320953324d904333cadce6.03851389-A2-3327000.jpg

http://mas.farodevigo.es/galeria/img/2011/3/1041/9185210674d9043289d0cb0.47556112-A2-3324195.jpg

http://mas.farodevigo.es/galeria/img/2011/3/1041/15690334874d90432bb8b1c9.80037605-A2-3324210.jpg

http://mas.farodevigo.es/galeria/img/2011/3/1041/7523320464d90432d0a77e0.11111102-A2-3326983.jpg

http://mas.farodevigo.es/galeria/img/2011/3/1041/21260920714d90432eec7709.12723903-A2-3326987.jpg

http://mas.farodevigo.es/galeria/img/2011/3/1041/17982184174d90432e8f2036.40566124-A2-3326986.jpg

Sikeliot

04-28-2011, 11:50 PM

Most of these people look like they could be French.

Lábaru

04-29-2011, 12:14 AM

These people are from the area of the Rías Baixas, Falkata?

Falkata

04-29-2011, 12:21 AM

These people are from the area of the Rías Baixas, Falkata?

Vigo. Although the majority of people from Vigo have grandparents from other parts of Galicia (including myself) since Vigo was just a village at the beginning of the XX century and it grew really fast in just 100 years

Jnovais

05-03-2011, 10:08 AM

Most of these people look like they could be French.

I agree.
I`m surprised because they look whiter than portuguese people

Sikeliot

05-03-2011, 11:58 AM

I agree.
I`m surprised because they look whiter than portuguese people

It's not really a matter of whiter, but while I do think many Iberians and French have overlap in general, there is a look that I can usually identify as being distinctly Portuguese, and it's surprising that given Galicia's geographical proximity to Portugal, they don't have it too.

Detfri

05-03-2011, 01:41 PM

They look like Italians. None of them is exotic, at least where I live. I'd like to know if the other Italians on this forum agree...

alzo zero

05-03-2011, 01:58 PM

They look like Italians. None of them is exotic, at least where I live. I'd like to know if the other Italians on this forum agree...
No one of them look exotic to me and actually many look familiar but I'm not saying because some won't like it...Ooops too late. ;)

Sikeliot

05-03-2011, 07:17 PM

If you guys mean north and central Italians, I can see the resemblance, actually.

gold_fenix

05-03-2011, 07:41 PM

Sikeliot

05-03-2011, 08:26 PM

In the case of Galicians the facial features they considere celtic don't come from they , Galicia received a important amount of germanic people but Galician fortunately have preserved part of the Celtic culture, that is important and wonderful

Old Irish legends used to say that the Gaelic populations of the British Isles originated in Galicia.

Ouistreham

05-03-2011, 09:11 PM

Galician fortunately have preserved part of the Celtic culture

– Erh.... Which part?

Honestly, I fail to find anything Celtic in Galician popular culture.

Sikeliot

05-03-2011, 09:12 PM

Galician music does make use of bagpipes.

Ouistreham

05-03-2011, 09:40 PM

Galician music does make use of bagpipes.

– And?
Bagpipes aren't specifically Celtic in any way. All provinces of Europe once used bagpipes for their popular music (until they were replaced by accordions in the late 19th century). Arabs and Turks also have bagpipes...

alzo zero

05-03-2011, 09:44 PM

All provinces of Europe once used bagpipes for their popular music (until they were replaced by accordions in the late 19th century).
Actually this is true. In Italy they go by a different name but at present "bagpipes" are used more in the south (especially in regions of herders like Abruzzo and Molise) than in the north, although only the north was Gallic.

Anyway I think that people claiming that Galicia is a celtic "nation" base this on more reasons than just bagpipes, only don't ask me what as I'm not knowledgeable about Galicia...

Sikeliot

05-03-2011, 09:46 PM

antonio

05-03-2011, 09:48 PM

Indeed. That nowadays they are the folklore musical instrument of reference on excentric areas of Europe do not mean at all they were not widespread used at past centuries. In fact that's the true. Guitars, violins, acordeons...more expensive and hard to build instruments were the bagpipe killers in the more developed and centered areas.

antonio

05-03-2011, 09:53 PM

In the case of Galicians the facial features they considere celtic don't come from they , Galicia received a important amount of germanic people but Galician fortunately have preserved part of the Celtic culture, that is important and wonderful

In fact, the features of many Galicians are too fair to be average Celtic, in fact they're Nordic. Moreover, the German(Suebian) microtoponimy is overwhelming. Your last paragraph is more debatable, I bet many of that hipotetical Celtic culture is part of a phony modern and well-documented attempt to find European brothers outside poor Iberia.
:D

Pd. For example, the association of bagpipes and Celtism makes part of that attempt.

Ibericus

05-03-2011, 09:56 PM

– Erh.... Which part?

Honestly, I fail to find anything Celtic in Galician popular culture.
How not ? The Muñeira Ribeirana for example is a typical folkloric dance and it's considered Celtic, it was already documented in the 14th century.
Also the galician mythology (or asturian, cantabrian, etc) share many elements with other celtic mythologies.

Ibericus

05-03-2011, 09:58 PM

Galician actress Maria Castro :

http://fotos0.mundofotos.net/2009/15_03_2009/cinemastars1237114318/maria-castro.jpg

Falkata

05-03-2011, 11:18 PM

I dont believe in any of the two extreme positions. In one hand you have some separatists claiming to be celts to distinguish Galicia from the rest of Spain and in the other people who deny every single link with the other atlantic regions (aka "celts"). Those links exist although they were very exagerated (imo) by the romantic nationalism in the XIX and in the beginning of the XX century

Some genetic links

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article480753.ece

"Historians have long believed the British Isles were swamped by a huge invasion of Iron Age Celts from central Europe in about 500BC. But geneticists at Trinity College, Dublin, now claim the Irish and Scots have as much, if not more, in common with the people of Galicia in Spain.

Dr Daniel Bradley, a genetics lecturer at Trinity, said a new study into Celtic origins revealed close affinities with the people of Galicia. “It’s well known that there are cultural relations between the areas but now this shows there is much more,” he said.

“We think the links are much older than the Iron Age because they also show affinities with the Basque region — which isn’t Celtic. The links point towards other Celtic nations, in particular Scotland, but they also point to Spain.”

Comte Arnau

05-03-2011, 11:26 PM

Bagpipes are clearly not a reason. All Iberian ethnicities have their own bagpipe, even if the most well-known and played are the Galician and Asturian ones. Bagpipes are played or have been played in most places from Europe to India and other parts of the world too.

Alvarado

05-03-2011, 11:33 PM

Detfri

05-04-2011, 10:28 AM

Actually this is true. In Italy they go by a different name but at present "bagpipes" are used more in the south (especially in regions of herders like Abruzzo and Molise) than in the north, although only the north was Gallic.

Anyway I think that people claiming that Galicia is a celtic "nation" base this on more reasons than just bagpipes, only don't ask me what as I'm not knowledgeable about Galicia...

Indeed as you said in Abruzzo our typical hinstrument is this:

http://archivio.blogsicilia.it/wp-content/uploads/Zampogna.JPG

a typical Abruzzese hinstrument on a typical Abruzzese-looking guy in a typical Abruzzese folk costrume in a typical Abruzzese landscape.
We call our bagpipe "zampogna". It was a Samnitic hinstrument used mostly to honour Pan.
The hinstrument has later been exported in the other areas where Samnites went: Lazio, Campania and during the Kingdom of thr Two Sicilies was diffused in the whole South. It exists also in Emilia-Romagna anyway.

JQGkbyQii-0

alzo zero

05-04-2011, 10:29 AM

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article480753.ece
The link doesn't work sorry. Can you please summarize it? Is it based on autosomal DNA or on Y-DNA?

antonio

05-05-2011, 04:29 PM

perikolez

05-06-2011, 11:20 AM

Falkata

05-06-2011, 11:40 AM

If galicians are celtic, basques are nordic:D. Galicians arent many more ligher than average northern spaniard. I would say that they are similar to promediate iberian.Even I would say that there are more dark types in Galicia than in Basque Country.

I think you´ll find probably more diversty both ligther and darker types.
You can find more swarthy types inland while in the coast ligther types and a high (by southern euro standards at least) % of redheads as well.

Ibericus

05-06-2011, 03:44 PM

If galicians are celtic, basques are nordic:D. Galicians arent many more ligher than average northern spaniard. I would say that they are similar to promediate iberian.Even I would say that there are more dark types in Galicia than in Basque Country.
Yes, but I don't know why people associate Celts with nordic types because of how British people look, when British are mostly nordic-germanic, not celtic.

Sikeliot

05-06-2011, 09:36 PM

Yes, but I don't know why people associate Celts with nordic types because of how British people look, when British are mostly nordic-germanic, not celtic.

If it's really true that Iberia had the largest Celtic presence in all of Western Europe, it is an Iberian phenotype that should be the standard for what is "Celtic looking". ;)

alzo zero

05-08-2011, 09:15 AM

If it's really true that Iberia had the largest Celtic presence in all of Western Europe, it is an Iberian phenotype that should be the standard for what is "Celtic looking". ;)
Where did you read that? What about France (Gallia Transalpina)?

Ibericus

05-08-2011, 02:57 PM

Where did you read that? What about France (Gallia Transalpina)?
well, this is from the University of Wisconsin, Celtic studies :

"Modern scholarship, however, has clearly proven that Celtic presence and influences were most substantial in Iberia (with perhaps the highest settlement saturation in Western Europe), particularly in the western and northern regions."

Alberto J. Lorrio, Gonzalo Ruiz Zapatero (2005). "The Celts in Iberia: An Overview". E-Keltoi: Journal of Interdisciplinary Celtic Studies 6: 167–254. http://www.uwm.edu/Dept/celtic/ekeltoi/volumes/vol6/6_4/lorrio_zapatero_6_4.html.

alzo zero

05-08-2011, 04:04 PM

well, this is from the University of Wisconsin, Celtic studies :

"Modern scholarship, however, has clearly proven that Celtic presence and influences were most substantial in Iberia (with perhaps the highest settlement saturation in Western Europe), particularly in the western and northern regions."

Alberto J. Lorrio, Gonzalo Ruiz Zapatero (2005). "The Celts in Iberia: An Overview". E-Keltoi: Journal of Interdisciplinary Celtic Studies 6: 167–254. http://www.uwm.edu/Dept/celtic/ekeltoi/volumes/vol6/6_4/lorrio_zapatero_6_4.html.
Probably these Spanish authors are right and "perhaps" in the North and the Northwest of Iberia there really was the "highest settlement saturation in Western Europe (a term which is per se unclear as we know)", but maybe saying that Iberia in toto had the largest Celtic presence is a bit of a generalization? Especially in the light of the Romans' records that don't seem to recognize this fact.

Sikeliot

05-08-2011, 04:42 PM

well, this is from the University of Wisconsin, Celtic studies :

"Modern scholarship, however, has clearly proven that Celtic presence and influences were most substantial in Iberia (with perhaps the highest settlement saturation in Western Europe), particularly in the western and northern regions."

Alberto J. Lorrio, Gonzalo Ruiz Zapatero (2005). "The Celts in Iberia: An Overview". E-Keltoi: Journal of Interdisciplinary Celtic Studies 6: 167–254. http://www.uwm.edu/Dept/celtic/ekeltoi/volumes/vol6/6_4/lorrio_zapatero_6_4.html.

And if this is true, I stand by what I said that the Iberian phenotypes should be the standard for what is deemed Celtic. ;)

Comte Arnau

05-08-2011, 04:48 PM

but maybe saying that Iberia in toto had the largest Celtic presence is a bit of a generalization?

Iberia in toto certainly not, unless one thinks that Iberian and Basque languages were placed upon a previous Celtic population.

Bridie

05-12-2011, 04:12 PM

I don't think one can speak of a "Celtic phenotype" at all, since the term "Celtic" refers to a language and cultural group (of which there was variation within anyway).

British are mostly nordic-germanic, not celtic. Silly comment. Since when has the UK been considered "nordic"? LOL Would be a surprise to the real nordics (Skandinavians), I'm sure. ;)

Ibericus

05-12-2011, 05:05 PM

Silly comment. Since when has the UK been considered "nordic"? LOL Would be a surprise to the real nordics (Skandinavians), I'm sure. ;)
No, it's not a silly comment. I didn't call them nordic, I said they have
german-nordic ancestry. The english have largely norse ancestry, which came from Scandinavian, last time I checked they are nordic. Also part of the Anglo-Saxons came from what is today Denmark and northern Germany, also the normans were partially of nordic stock. So, yes germanic-nordic. Genetically in autosomal-dna they cluster close to nordics also. The celts didn't settle in Scandinavia, last time I check, so yes, celts were definately not of nordic appearance.

Detfri

05-12-2011, 05:39 PM

Last traditional NorthAragonese bagpiper, at a decade: early sixties) where at Zaragoza and Madrid had yet decided we're all Zaragozans (from Zaragoza, the old Colonia CaesarAugusta, region head at the Ebro river) and played guitars. The curious thing is we're so few (or are so diluted) noone seems to complain about it. At least, for the sake of the true, such cultural traits are being retrieved (with more will than correctness, I presume).

Showing the same type, made of a complete lamb skin, dress up with a kind of feminine clothes, and with some tubes covered with snake skin.

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/5120/061ws.th.jpg (http://img709.imageshack.us/i/061ws.jpg/)

Ps. Click pic to enlarge.

I'm sorry, but I didn't understand what you meant. :confused: Guitar, from what I know, is an evolution of the zither, that indeed in ancient Greek was called "kythara" (note the similarity to the Italian "Chitarra"). The bagpipe played in Abruzzo is called "zampogna", probably from the Greek "symphonia". It should be the evolution of this hinstrument:

http://www.beltrami-fisarmoniche.it/grafica/ciaramella6.jpg

+ the bag, but the sound is totally different and I am not sure about it.
It's not Celtic, it's Roman-Greek.

If you listen to this Roman music that should recontruct pretty well the ancient music you clearly distinguish a sound similar to the badpipe.

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Romans did invented psychedelic music :cool:

I don't think one can speak of a "Celtic phenotype" at all, since the term "Celtic" refers to a language and cultural group (of which there was variation within anyway).

Silly comment. Since when has the UK been considered "nordic"? LOL Would be a surprise to the real nordics (Skandinavians), I'm sure. ;)

The stereotype of the blonde Celt is based to Caesar's "De Bello Gallico" that to destroy the imagine of French Celts portrayed them as nordic barbars.

antonio

05-12-2011, 05:45 PM

I'm sorry, but I didn't understand what you meant.

No, no, in fact you should consider more what I mean and less what I write. :D

Bridie

05-12-2011, 05:45 PM

No, it's not a silly comment. I didn't call them nordic, I said they have
german-nordic ancestry. The english have largely norse ancestry, which came from Scandinavian, last time I checked they are nordic. Also part of the Anglo-Saxons came from what is today Denmark and northern Germany, also the normans were partially of nordic stock. So, yes germanic-nordic. Genetically in autosomal-dna they cluster close to nordics also. The celts didn't settle in Scandinavia, last time I check, so yes, celts were definately not of nordic appearance.The English certainly do not have any significant Norman ancestry. The Normans came rule over England, but very few Norman people migrated. A relatively small number of elite Normans were granted lands to preside over, but more often such titles were granted by the ruling Normans to Anglo-Saxon and Brythonic leaders. The Normans had a far greater influence in England in terms of language than they ever did in terms of genetic input.

As for Anglo-Saxon (and Viking) ancestry, well the jury's still out on that one. No one seems to know how much or how little of a (genetic) impact those populations had. Would surely have been greater in some areas and less in others though. A bit like Germanic ancestry in Spain, I suppose. :p (And don't try to tell me that all of those fair people I've seen in Spain are the result of Nordic-German ancestry, since few of them looked anything German or Skandinavian.)

Nevertheless, it should be said that Western Britain and Ireland are often strongly associated with the ancient Celts because these were the last areas to become Celtic strongholds, and the only areas in the world where Celtic languages still exist today. Yet can we say that all ancient Celts resembled modern Irish and Western British people? I don't think so. Like I said before, there was surely always variation within Celtic populations.

Detfri

05-12-2011, 05:52 PM

The English certainly do not have any significant Norman ancestry. The Normans came rule over England, but very few Norman people migrated. A relatively small number of elite Normans were granted lands to preside over, but more often such titles were granted by the ruling Normans to Anglo-Saxon and Brythonic leaders. The Normans had a far greater influence in England in terms of language than they ever did in terms of genetic input.

As for Anglo-Saxon (and Viking) ancestry, well the jury's still out on that one. No one seems to know how much or how little of a (genetic) impact those populations had. Would surely have been greater in some areas and less in others though. A bit like Germanic ancestry in Spain, I suppose. :p (And don't try to tell me that all of those fair people I've seen in Spain are the result of Nordic-German ancestry, since few of them looked anything German or Skandinavian.)

Nevertheless, it should be said that Western Britain and Ireland are often strongly associated with the ancient Celts because these were the last areas to become Celtic strongholds, and the only areas in the world where Celtic languages still exist today. Yet can we say that all ancient Celts resembled modern Irish and Western British people? I don't think so. Like I said before, there was surely always variation within Celtic populations.

Yes but the Celts of Great Britain where "Britons". There was some difference between Cisalpines, Celtiberes, Britons and Gauls (at least culturally). :D

Bridie

05-12-2011, 06:02 PM

Yes but the Celts of Great Britain where "Britons". There was some difference between Cisalpines, Celtiberes, Britons and Gauls (at least culturally). :DYes, and surely there were minor racial differences between Celtic sub-groups too. That's why I said that although Western Britain and Ireland are often strongly associated with the Celts (due to being the last surviving strongholds) we can't say that all Celts looked like the Irish and Western Brits. There had always been too much variation (in appearances) within Celtic populations, I have to assume. So I don't think that we can really speak at all of there being a typical Celtic "look". Maybe they all had a distinctively Western European look, but I think that has to be the extent of what can be said.

Falkata

11-21-2011, 08:13 PM

Some Galician deputies in the new goverment of Spain

http://comunidad.farodevigo.es/servicios/galeriasMultimedia/media/35311/imagenes/1321867043448_joseblanco.jpg
http://comunidad.farodevigo.es/servicios/galeriasMultimedia/media/35311/imagenes/1321866337328_jorquera.jpg
http://comunidad.farodevigo.es/servicios/galeriasMultimedia/media/35311/imagenes/1321866231476_olaiafernandez.jpg
http://comunidad.farodevigo.es/servicios/galeriasMultimedia/media/35311/imagenes/1321866664520_guillermomeijo.jpg
http://comunidad.farodevigo.es/servicios/galeriasMultimedia/media/35311/imagenes/1321867274452_telmomartin.jpg
http://comunidad.farodevigo.es/servicios/galeriasMultimedia/media/35311/imagenes/1321867490257_anabelenvazqeuz.jpg
http://comunidad.farodevigo.es/servicios/galeriasMultimedia/media/35311/imagenes/1321867721315_arseniofdezmesa.jpg
http://comunidad.farodevigo.es/servicios/galeriasMultimedia/media/35311/imagenes/1321867559996_antonioeiras.jpg
http://comunidad.farodevigo.es/servicios/galeriasMultimedia/media/35311/imagenes/1321867857350_juandediosruano.jpg
http://comunidad.farodevigo.es/servicios/galeriasMultimedia/media/35311/imagenes/1321867950808_jaimedeolano.jpg
http://comunidad.farodevigo.es/servicios/galeriasMultimedia/media/35311/imagenes/1321869590248_javierlosada.jpg
http://comunidad.farodevigo.es/servicios/galeriasMultimedia/media/35311/imagenes/1321869299918_franciscojfdez.jpg
http://comunidad.farodevigo.es/servicios/galeriasMultimedia/media/35311/imagenes/1321869802527_armandocastosa.jpg
http://comunidad.farodevigo.es/servicios/galeriasMultimedia/media/35311/imagenes/1321869923245_juliarodriguez.jpg
http://comunidad.farodevigo.es/servicios/galeriasMultimedia/media/35311/imagenes/1321869999079_ricardovarela.jpg

Ausência Forçada

11-24-2011, 09:26 AM

Celta de Vigo Supporters, away game against Deportivo da Corunha (classic in galicia). 2011-12
http://i.imgur.com/VejC7.jpg