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ButlerKing
06-17-2014, 02:24 AM
Keep in my I didn't know this and I was surprised myself. Apparently the foundation of Ottoman empire were group of Turkmens not local Turkish people.


Ertuğrul, Osman I's father.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ertuğrul

Ertuğrul (Ottoman Turkish: ارطغرل, often with the title Gazi) (1191 / 1198 – 1281) was the father of Osman I, the founder of the Ottoman Empire. He was the leader of the Kayı clan of the Oghuz Turks. When arriving in Anatolia from Merv (Turkmenistan) with his 400 horsemen to aid the Seljuks of Rum against the Byzantines.


There is no miniature of Ertuğrul but there is miniatures of his son and grandsons.


Osman I

http://www.nndb.com/people/386/000113047/osman-i.jpg


Osman Bey

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Aq4E9a3ZeJ4/ULKANVVjAOI/AAAAAAAAFuQ/1P3OGvtSolQ/s1600/Semailname%252C+Orhan+Bey-fol.+29a.jpg


Murad I


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/Murad_I.jpg

ButlerKing
06-17-2014, 02:28 AM
Did you read that? "arriving in Anatolia from Merv (Turkmenistan) "



Look at the genetic of Merv Turkmen. This really confirms greeks and Armenian claims that original Ottomans were not Turkish.

http://i46.tinypic.com/2nsqvbt.png

StonyArabia
06-17-2014, 02:30 AM
Ottomans were indeed of Turkoman stock. However Turkey was settled by several tribes from what is now Turkmenistan. Most Ottomans did in fact show Turanid strain. Osman I was often depicted Turanid like. They are Turkoman and Turkish. If you mean they were Anatolian then of course they were not, though they mixed heavily with them and Europeans in general.

ButlerKing
06-17-2014, 02:34 AM
Ottomans were indeed of Turkoman stock. However Turkey was settled by several tribes from what is now Turkmenistan. Most Ottomans did in fact show Turanid strain. Osman I was often depicted Turanid like. They are Turkoman and Turkish. If you mean they were Anatolian then of course they were not, though they mixed heavily with them and Europeans in general.

Note: I doubt they mixed. It said they arrived from Turkmenistan to Anatolia ( during the time Ottoman was founded )

I always though they were just Turkified people, the Ottomans hated the Seljuks and Turkomans in the past and yet ironically they were founders aswell.

I found out while watching this video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9U0QMlMl_Q

StonyArabia
06-17-2014, 02:39 AM
I always though they were just Turkified people, the Ottomans hated the Seljuks and Turkomans in the past and yet ironically they were founders aswell.

I found out while watching this video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9U0QMlMl_Q

They were Turkomans themselves but had rivalry with other Turkoman tribes. Anatolian Turks do have good amount of Turkoman ancestry though.

ButlerKing
06-17-2014, 02:40 AM
Ottomans were indeed of Turkoman stock. However Turkey was settled by several tribes from what is now Turkmenistan. Most Ottomans did in fact show Turanid strain. Osman I was often depicted Turanid like. They are Turkoman and Turkish. If you mean they were Anatolian then of course they were not, though they mixed heavily with them and Europeans in general.

And after that most of the sultans were only 1/4 Turkish or less.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_mothers_of_the_Ottoman_Sultans


List of the mothers of the Ottoman Sultans

Apparently after Murad I, most of the maternal descendants of Sultans were non-Turk. Most sultans had Albanian, Greek, Georgian, Ukranian, Serb, Polish Jews, Bulgarian, Italian, French, Abkhazian, Hungarian mothers

StonyArabia
06-17-2014, 02:43 AM
And after that most of the sultans were only 1/4 Turkish or less.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_mothers_of_the_Ottoman_Sultans


List of the mothers of the Ottoman Sultans

Apparently after Murad I, most of the maternal descendants of Sultans were non-Turk. Most sultans had Albanian, Greek, Georgian, Ukranian, Serb, Polish Jews, Bulgarian, Italian, French, Abkhazian, Hungarian,

The maternal line of the Ottomans were Kavkazian and European, this why they lost their Turanid look, and began to look like Europeans. In fact by the end of the dynasty they were more European genetically than they were even Anatolian let alone Turkmen, due to the heavy intermarriage they have done. This of course does not rule out that the Ottomans were indeed of Turkoman origins at the start, nor they came from a Turkified place, since they did actually come from Merv Turkmenistan.

Hayalet
06-17-2014, 02:49 AM
Yet another stupid thread. Turkmen to Turkish is Anglo-Saxon to English.

ButlerKing
06-17-2014, 02:49 AM
The maternal line of the Ottomans were Kavkazian and European, this why they lost their Turanid look, and began to look like Europeans. In fact by the end of the dynasty they were more European genetically than they were even Anatolian let alone Turkmen, due to the heavy intermarriage they have done. This of course does not rule out that the Ottomans were indeed of Turkoman origins at the start, nor they came from a Turkified place, since they did actually come from Merv Turkmenistan.

Is that why the Ottoman royal family look so European today?


http://www.nadinevalidesultan.org/Burhaneddin%20Djem%20(1).jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8c/Ayşe-Gülnev-Osmanoğlu-Issue.jpg
http://fotogaleri.haberler.com/galeri-resimleri/69/osmanli-hanedani-dogum-gununde-bulustu_10306_b.jpg
http://galeri3.uludagsozluk.com/130/osmanli-hanedani_271635.jpg
http://galeri2.uludagsozluk.com/205/osmanlı-hanedanının-türk-olmadığı-gerçeği_288073.jpg
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/JV7qt59jThQ/hqdefault.jpg
http://i.milliyet.com.tr/SonDakikaHaberGaleriler/2010/07/26/osmanli-hanedani-bodrum-da-bulustu-755245.Jpeg

ButlerKing
06-17-2014, 02:51 AM
Yet another stupid thread. Turkmen to Turkish is Anglo-Saxon to English.

The Oslamli descendants don't look like any typical Turkish

Ottoman Sultan's had harems and harems full of slave girls which caputured from conquered lands. So yes you are right. Ottoman Family's Descendants.


http://www.sacitaslan.com/f1/1c8_8692f.jpg

ButlerKing
06-17-2014, 03:26 AM
I believe the founders of the Ottoman look exactly like these Merv Turkmen today

http://www.turkotek.com/misc_00107/silk_files/PeterSandersMerv.jpg
http://www.mirutadelaseda.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/P9192609-Turkmenistan-Central-Asia-Karakum-People.jpg
http://www.mirutadelaseda.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/P9192608-Turkmenistan-Central-Asia-Karakum-People.jpg
http://s01.sonyaandtravis.com/images/central-asia-2012/merv-turkmenistan-g-sonya-and-some-turkmen-girls.jpg
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/merv/our_research/open_day2
http://ommphoto.ca/slideshow/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/turkmenistan.merv_.msk028.091307.ND200.DSC_1027.jp g
http://ommphoto.ca/slideshow/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/turkmenistan.merv_.camp_.101107.ND200.DSC_2479.jpg
http://centralasia-adventures.com/img/info/turkmenistan/mary/11_big.jpg

StonyArabia
06-17-2014, 03:34 AM
Is that why the Ottoman royal family look so European today?

Yes most likely. They are probably like 2% Turkmen at best.

Siberian Cold Breeze
06-17-2014, 03:50 AM
Like in all dynasties ruler and aristocratic families get spouses from foreign people , not a new thing.