The Faces of Saami people

[MethCat]

Here are a couple of pictures of the Saami(Laplanders), mongoloid admixture must have been a lot higher back in the day;

http://en.academic.ru/pictures/enwiki/83/Sea_sami_man.jpg

http://media.tumblr.com/235b78312d97f6dc15f1c85c2bd4b386/tumblr_inline_mu1pwxJaAF1rpr1t4.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Mikel_Mikelsen_Hetta_-_Sami_man,_Kautokeino,_Norway,_by_Bonaparte_1884.j pg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/bc/cf/22/bccf226860e0264dcf5b71c601c68ddf.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/40/e7/6d/40e76d497d04f43aea13740d480a408b.jpg


I have no idea(first day here) how to make the pics 'unfold' themselves and become visible to everyone without having to click the links, I'd appreciate it if someone could teach me that thanks.

[Nurzat]

nothing Mongol about them. regular Scandinavians. they can pass in Norway, Finland, Russia and Moldova. Björk people

[Sakis]

To make the pics show,type pic link

[Stimpy]

http://sverigesradio.se/sida/images/3946/3453674_2048_1152.jpg?preset=article-slider

http://worldfootballcup.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/sapmibig.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-jT1sGOQraQ0/UXV3d4pAf1I/AAAAAAACtcA/yS_7Nxw41ZU/s640/Swedish+Sami+mother+and+children+from+J%C3%A4mtlan d+early+1900.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/Sami_men_exchanging_Tobacco_Lyngen,_Troms,_Norway. jpg

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lw0030uWWA1qeyrtio1_400.jpg

[MethCat]

Being Norwegian myself I have to disagree with you on that one. I can clearly see the mongoloid admixture in their facial features(especially eyes, brows and head and face shape) that I have never seen in ethnic Norwegians.

[MethCat]

Thanks man :)

[Linebacker]

Cro magnons!

[Stimpy]

Stears looking Sami.

https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3590/3546973404_0a556d3724.jpg

[JoeyGee8688]

Stears looking Sami.

https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3590/3546973404_0a556d3724.jpg

But you're supposed to have to open a spoiler to see his portrait.

[Linebacker]

Faces of true hunters

http://cdnpix.com/show/imgs/49048c23d0ba08d4986dd25edf1fecb4.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/05/81/dd/0581dd0c15c340858b83c55f3840949d.jpg

http://www.arcticphoto.co.uk/Pix/SC/05/SJM0008-16_P.JPG

[Stimpy]

Faces of true hunters

http://cdnpix.com/show/imgs/49048c23d0ba08d4986dd25edf1fecb4.jpg

I think the pigmentation of this Swedish Sami girl is what many European hunter-gatherers like f.ex. La brana had. Dark hair, tan skin(but not olive) and blue eyes.

http://sverigesradio.se/sida/images/3946/3453674_2048_1152.jpg?preset=article-slider

[Linebacker]

I think the pigmentation of this Swedish Sami girl is what many European hunter-gatherers like f.ex. La brana had. Dark hair, tan skin(but not olive) and blue eyes.

http://sverigesradio.se/74_2048_1152.jpg?preset=article-slider

That is what genetics say.But hunter gatherers living in the north like the Saami are borealized/depigmented and have lighter colors than their originally dark ancestors.

[Stimpy]

That is what genetics say.But hunter gatherers living in the north like the Saami are borealized/depigmented.

That's true.

Proto-European HGs have probably once upon a time existed from Northernmost Africa to North Scandinavia and into Russia. They formed a very widespread population. There must always have been regional differences even though they apparantly were genetically pretty homogenous. Southern ones were probably darker while northern ones were probably lighter back then too. Just like in modern times.

I still think her pigmentation is the closest that exist to what many pure Euro-HGs whom we have tested had back in the day though.

[Black Wolf]

I think the pigmentation of this Swedish Sami girl is what many European hunter-gatherers like f.ex. La brana had. Dark hair, tan skin(but not olive) and blue eyes.

http://sverigesradio.se/sida/images/3946/3453674_2048_1152.jpg?preset=article-slider

Very attractive girl.

[CordedWhelp]

More like a fringe, a population that retains some "north eurasian continuum" features.

[Stimpy]

Very attractive girl.
She's a singer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYv2WRCHY64

[Linebacker]

I still think her pigmentation is the closest that exist to what many pure Euro-HGs whom we have tested had back in the day though.

There is a picture made based on the gene studies of La Brana and I think it is the most accurate example in terms of looks.

http://i.cbc.ca/1.2512510.1390834765!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_620/hi-hunter-gatherer-852-jpg.jpg
http://s10.postimg.org/sbetmupnd/Loschbour.png

[Tooting Carmen]

Good thread. The degree of Mongoloid facial traits seems to vary a lot. More photos please.

[Harkonnen]

Well depending bit on the Saami group, Saamis do have quite significant East Eurasian ancestry. I doubt they are the closest thing to mesolithic Euros, but they are up there quite close definitely, and of course with their own twist - so that they have their own kind of similarity, with their own view.

But if nothing else I bet they are closest thing to Ust-Ishim :D That is if we are not to think U-I yet as a proper East Eurasian, which we shouldn't really. Proto-North Eurasian lol-

People often seem to have the idea Saami on old pictures look more mongoloid. Whatever the truth about that, personally I found you find lot of cool looking dudes on old Saami pics, I wonder where they are hiding today?

http://oi57.tinypic.com/2eyi5gl.jpg
http://oi61.tinypic.com/110ylqs.jpg
http://oi58.tinypic.com/6jnbkw.jpg
http://oi60.tinypic.com/b8u1oy.jpg
http://oi62.tinypic.com/35jfpeo.jpg
http://oi59.tinypic.com/118k1z9.jpg
http://oi58.tinypic.com/3091o5x.jpg
http://oi60.tinypic.com/rr1r0j.jpg
http://oi60.tinypic.com/14y5vrm.jpg
http://oi58.tinypic.com/333k5s3.jpg
http://oi59.tinypic.com/2zsw4n6.jpg
http://oi57.tinypic.com/eqo26b.jpg
http://oi62.tinypic.com/22xbom.jpg

[Stimpy]

There is a picture made based on the gene studies of La Brana and I think it is the most accurate example in terms of looks.

http://i.cbc.ca/1.2512510.1390834765!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_620/hi-hunter-gatherer-852-jpg.jpg
http://s10.postimg.org/sbetmupnd/Loschbour.png

The lower one is supposed to be of Loschbour man though, who was even more pure hunter-gatherer than La Brana. I don't think neither of those are actual professional forensic facial reconstructions, so they're not really very correct in showing what they looked like.
Also, it's actually a bit hard to determine their skin colour. F.ex. the claim about La Brana having 'dark' skin is based on a SNP (rs1426654) which only weights ~15% on skin coloration.

[Stimpy]

Good thread. The degree of Mongoloid facial traits seems to vary a lot. More photos please.

That's because there's different groups of Samis.

[Stimpy]

One of my favourite jojks.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU-np8zS4HQ

[Black Wolf]

There is a picture made based on the gene studies of La Brana and I think it is the most accurate example in terms of looks.

http://i.cbc.ca/1.2512510.1390834765!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_620/hi-hunter-gatherer-852-jpg.jpg
http://s10.postimg.org/sbetmupnd/Loschbour.png

Both La Brana and Loschbour belonged to mtDNA haplogroup U5b like me. :D

[Black Wolf]

I also wonder about how long some of the Saami people remained essentially hunter-gatherers for? Which groups of them adopted reindeer herding and agriculture last and what time period was this?

[MethCat]

Thanks for the contribution, I read somewhere that over 50% of pure blood Saami's genetics come from Mongoloids though I can't find the source now.
I seems to vary a lot though, some look typically Scandinavian while other looks like Eskimo's. I personally met 5 Saami's in Norway and 4 of them had Asian eye folds, were short (short legs and arms), chubby and had huge faces and heads, one of them looked just like a Scandinavian. Not only one was blond as well.

To the guy comparing them to Cro-Magnons lol, just lol. Nothing like Cro-Magnons at all, short non-muscular bodies, chubby, small eyes, shitty beards compared to Scandinavians, round infantile faces etc.
Hunter they were, mostly fishermen though. They survived in the North of Scandinavia and that's to be admired but they don't fit the typical European HG image of big, brawny men chasing megafauna to death on foot.

[MethCat]

I think they hunted well into the 1900s but they were all as far as I know reindeer herders and farmers by WW2. They still engaged in fishing and hunting of course on the side, as do the Norwegians to this day but that's about it.

[StonyArabia]

Their Mongoloid admix is exaggerated

[Rugevit]

From published study.

We conducted a canonical variate analysis of nine dimensions of 46 cranial series from north-eastern Europe using software written by B.A. Kozintsev. As seen from Fig. 2, Karelians, Komi Zyrians, Ingrians as well as the Kylalahti Kalmistomäki group cluster on the positive extreme of CV I. The opposite extreme is taken by Sami groups, which demonstrate maximal gracility, low vault, and relatively weakly protruding noses...The Sami living in the central parts of the Kola Peninsula in relative isolation from others score highest on CV II due to brachycrany and small nasal protrusion angle combined with the convex nasal bridge. Coastal Sami from Jokanga, and to a lesser degree those from Varzino, deviate from others and show a “Finnish” tendency probably because of a late northern Caucasoid admixture (Khartanovich, 1991b, 2004a). : http://www.academia.edu/764235/Khartanovich_V.I._Shirobokov_I.G._New_craniometric _evidence_on_the_origin_of_the_Karelians_the_Kylal ahti_Kalmistomaki_burial_ground_





Saami are 28,29, 30,31,32. Saami 32 is showing affinity to some Finns and northern Russians. Canonical variate analysis



http://oi57.tinypic.com/33wps45.jpg

[MethCat]

Very interesting thanks :)

[Stimpy]

I also wonder about how long some of the Saami people remained essentially hunter-gatherers for? Which groups of them adopted reindeer herding and agriculture last and what time period was this?

There were probably some few forest samis Samis who lived as pretty genuine hunter-gatherers well into the 18th century. Definitely the last in Europe.

[Dasr]

this woman is clearly more mongoloid than anything else:

http://i61.tinypic.com/1175rpt.jpg

[Harkonnen]

To the guy comparing them to Cro-Magnons lol, just lol. Nothing like Cro-Magnons at all, short non-muscular bodies, chubby, small eyes, shitty beards compared to Scandinavians, round infantile faces etc.
Hunter they were, mostly fishermen though. They survived in the North of Scandinavia and that's to be admired but they don't fit the typical European HG image of big, brawny men chasing megafauna to death on foot.

Well there are Saamis with round infantile faces, but it looks like they are pretty much everywhere nowadays. The problem is, that the guys you posted on the OP, as examples of Saami mongoloid types I guess, all had in fact a very robust morphologies.

This is the profile of one of the the guys from your OP

http://oi57.tinypic.com/ztixxx.jpg

This obviously a very robust morphology and very far from any kind, so called neotenized mongoloid morphology. It is in fact much closer to Neanderthal morphology, in a way

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-J6s77Np7H30/UJz0J8GA9xI/AAAAAAAAAyA/vzWrW6FbDeA/s1600/Neanderthal_profile.jpg

Notice the sloped forehead, large protruding nose, and even the receding chin.

He has one thing tho, that is the so called flattened mongoid face.

Here is a very robust Tungid guy with a sloped forehead, flattened face, but unlike the Saami - a positive chin. One big difference obviusly is the very low nasalbridge of the Tungid guy.

http://oi42.tinypic.com/11ghzsl.jpg

Here is a Native American man with similar morphology, but again with different nose shape

http://www.old-picture.com/indians/pictures/Profile-Indian-Man.jpg

Now I'm going to post a set of people with a set of different features to the above

http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae321/sharkeatpeople/429717d3-d8a7-4b1d-882c-e92c68be8c89_zps441da38c.jpg
http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu253/Tyranos/Image35-2.jpg
http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu253/Tyranos/Image36.jpg
http://topconservativenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/jake_england.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rGHuq9-iasQ/SBLr-L0h-II/AAAAAAAAAAY/Wevn_5uvtwU/s1600-h/di2.jpg
http://qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-07eabb9a03445284244eadcbe923b7af?convert_to_webp=t rue
http://www.geniv.com/ako888/gallery/lau_andy/1.jpg
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Observer/Pix/pictures/2013/11/30/1385822473335/Xi-Jinping-profile-009.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7174/6469785821_8c6be6ed8b_o.jpg
http://imagizer-cv.imageshack.us/a/img280/5528/gota0015os.jpg

Now the important thing to notice there, is that all of them as wholly moderns, are orthognatic, but none of them is flatfaced.

Whereas the Saami guy is flatfaced, but not a drop orthognatic. Brilliant.

[Dasr]

Who cares if theyre orthognatic or not. Theyre a beautful people thats all

[Harkonnen]

Who cares if theyre orthognatic or not. Theyre a beautful people thats all

Words of Wisdom.

[Linebacker]

Thanks for the contribution, I read somewhere that over 50% of pure blood Saami's genetics come from Mongoloids though I can't find the source now.
I seems to vary a lot though, some look typically Scandinavian while other looks like Eskimo's. I personally met 5 Saami's in Norway and 4 of them had Asian eye folds, were short (short legs and arms), chubby and had huge faces and heads, one of them looked just like a Scandinavian. Not only one was blond as well.

To the guy comparing them to Cro-Magnons lol, just lol. Nothing like Cro-Magnons at all, short non-muscular bodies, chubby, small eyes, shitty beards compared to Scandinavians, round infantile faces etc.
Hunter they were, mostly fishermen though. They survived in the North of Scandinavia and that's to be admired but they don't fit the typical European HG image of big, brawny men chasing megafauna to death on foot.

This is as wrong as it gets,Saami/Lapps are one of the people who have the most recent hunter gatherer ancestry in the world,some of them still have the lifestyle up there.

Apart from culture,they are one of the most potent carriers of the haplogroup U5,which is the haplogroup found in many hunter gatherer fossils,like famous ones Oberkassel man,La Brana,Lochbour.
http://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/mtDNA-U5-map.png

Saami also very well resemble Cro magnons in facial structure.They have very robust and broad skulls,wide faces,strong jaws.

[Harkonnen]

From published study.

We conducted a canonical variate analysis of nine dimensions of 46 cranial series from north-eastern Europe using software written by B.A. Kozintsev. As seen from Fig. 2, Karelians, Komi Zyrians, Ingrians as well as the Kylalahti Kalmistomäki group cluster on the positive extreme of CV I. The opposite extreme is taken by Sami groups, which demonstrate maximal gracility, low vault, and relatively weakly protruding noses...The Sami living in the central parts of the Kola Peninsula in relative isolation from others score highest on CV II due to brachycrany and small nasal protrusion angle combined with the convex nasal bridge. Coastal Sami from Jokanga, and to a lesser degree those from Varzino, deviate from others and show a “Finnish” tendency probably because of a late northern Caucasoid admixture (Khartanovich, 1991b, 2004a). : http://www.academia.edu/764235/Khartanovich_V.I._Shirobokov_I.G._New_craniometric _evidence_on_the_origin_of_the_Karelians_the_Kylal ahti_Kalmistomaki_burial_ground_

In my opinion it is very difficult to explain modern Saami autosomals through recent admixture with their southern neighbours. All Saami groups exhibit such low levels of neolithic admix, that even with Finnish admix it's not likely to end up with their peculiar autosomals.

In my opinion the extra East Eurasian (both in autosomals and mtDNA) in Kola Saami contra rest of the Saami could be explained either through Nenets like admixture, or even through absorbing some ancient population of the Kola region

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?156221-Amerindian-DNA-in-Iceland&p=3318906&viewfull=1#post3318906

At least this should be treated as a valid possibility.



Saami also very well resemble Cro magnons in facial structure.They have very robust and broad skulls,wide faces,strong jaws.


I'm sure there are many robust Saami, but what I've understood modern studies do seem to agree, that on average they are somewhat less robust than their neighbours, for whatever reason.

[MethCat]

Whether they have hunter gatherer genes or not doesn't say anything about their looks. I was referring to their looks not the ancestry. And no they do not look like Cro-Magnons, have you ever seen Saami people? Apart from the pictures in this thread of course, I have and let me tell you they don't actually strike me as very bad ass people. They were once but it doesn't show on their looks, never judge a book on its cover but then again that was never the point so its irrelevant. Do you have a link to a scientific paper on the resemblance of the Saami and Cro-Magnons?

[Alessio]

If you're responding to my comment, you should click on ''reply with quote''


Whether they have hunter gatherer genes or not doesn't say anything about their looks. I was referring to their looks not the ancestry. And no they do not look like Cro-Magnons, have you ever seen Saami people? Apart from the pictures in this thread of course, I have and let me tell you they don't actually strike me as very bad ass people. They were ones but it doesn't show on their looks, never judge a book on its cover but then again that was never the point so its irrelevant. Do you have a link to a scientific paper on the resemblance of the Saami and Cro-Magnons?

[Linebacker]

Whether they have hunter gatherer genes or not doesn't say anything about their looks. I was referring to their looks not the ancestry. And no they do not look like Cro-Magnons, have you ever seen Saami people? Apart from the pictures in this thread of course, I have and let me tell you they don't actually strike me as very bad ass people. They were once but it doesn't show on their looks, never judge a book on its cover but then again that was never the point so its irrelevant. Do you have a link to a scientific paper on the resemblance of the Saami and Cro-Magnons?

Ok,here is some Saami for you that look like texbook Cro Magnon.And carry the genetics of one too.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2444/3570549812_24e1896fe2.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Anders_Andersen_Ellen_-_Sami_Man_from_Finnmark_Norway,_by_Bonaparte_1884. jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2461/3546978896_a43c19ff11_m.jpg
http://farm8.static.flickr.com/7041/6816104556_2d0e7cfb6f_m.jpg
http://i35.tinypic.com/2n1vn8p.jpg

[MethCat]

Ugh is your argument that because some of the Saami in these pictures look Cro-Magnoid every one does? Look although some of them might resemble Cro-Magnons in some respect doesn't mean the general Saami phenotype is that of the Cro-Magnon. Although I think you're way off on your hypothesis(if you even call it that), I respect you holding your own opinion and for adding to the discussion.

[Linebacker]

Ugh is your argument that because some of the Saami in these pictures look Cro-Magnoid every one does? Look although some of them might resemble Cro-Magnons in some respect doesn't mean the general Saami phenotype is that of the Cro-Magnon. Although I think you're way off on your hypothesis(if you even call it that), I respect you holding your own opinion and for adding to the discussion.

I would not call it a hypothesis,because Saami like I said and is well documented are tested to be potent carriers of the U5 haplogroup which is the group discovered in large part of hunter gatherer fossils of Paleolithic and Mesolithic origins.This means they are descendants of Proto European hunters from the stone ages.

That pretty much makes it a fact rather than a hypothesis.

[Rugevit]

I would not call it a hypothesis,because Saami like I said and is well documented are tested to be potent carriers of the U5 haplogroup which is the group discovered in large part of hunter gatherer fossils of Paleolithic and Mesolithic origins.This means they are descendants of Proto European hunters from the stone ages.

That pretty much makes it a fact rather than a hypothesis.

U5 is estimated to be 35K-50K years of age, which has been found in human remains dating from the Mesolithic in England, Germany, Lithuania, Poland, Portugal, Russia, Sweden, France and Spain. In fact, most mtDNA and Y-DNA majory branches pre-date last glacial age of Europe.

Moreover, Saami have a significant Siberian admixture in their autosomal DNA. Saamie are believed to be recent arrival in Finland by some scholars.

[Baldur]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Sametinget_1989_(10344362835).jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/Plenum_2013-2017_(10323811996).jpg

[Antimage]

Stears looking Sami.



Saami looking Stears

[Rugevit]

In my opinion it is very difficult to explain modern Saami autosomals through recent admixture with their southern neighbours. All Saami groups exhibit such low levels of neolithic admix, that even with Finnish admix it's not likely to end up with their peculiar autosomals.

In my opinion the extra East Eurasian (both in autosomals and mtDNA) in Kola Saami contra rest of the Saami could be explained either through Nenets like admixture, or even through absorbing some ancient population of the Kola region

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?156221-Amerindian-DNA-in-Iceland&p=3318906&viewfull=1#post3318906



Can you link me to an article or a discussion on autosomal DNA of Saami? Thanks!

[Harkonnen]

Since we were talking about Saami physical type, made me remember this tidbit discussing Saami from a study by Niskanen on the Levänluhta burials. The object of the study was to see whether or not the Merovingian Levänluhta folk were too small to be the ancestors of modern Ostrobothnians. Many believe, that they were rather sacrifized slaves etc.


there is considerably
less temporal variation in the joint sizes than in
the long bone lengths in Europe. For example,
the femoral head diameter has fluctuated remarkably
little since Early Upper Paleolithic (ca. 35–
10 ky bp) although there have been considerable
temporal fluctuation in long bone lengths and presumably average stature (Holliday 1995;
Niskanen & Junno 2006).
The past and present Europeans have larger
joint areas than Africans and Asians because Europeans
are genetically programmed to be able
to reach much larger average body size. This is
especially clear when comparing Europeans and
Sub-Saharan Africans (Holliday 1995, 1997; Ruff
2002). Even the diminutive Norwegian Saami of
the 18th century have bigger average femoral head
diameters than the South African Zulu (midsex
means 43.9 mm vs. 43.1 mm, Schreiner 1935;
Grine et al. 1995), although the Zulu being quite
large-bodied for the Sub-Saharan Africans
(Eveleth & Tanner 1976) were definitely much
taller and heavier than the Saami. It simply appears
that joint sizes are not much affected by the
overall growth, which in turn is affected by the
overall nutrition and health. In contrast, the
growth of long bones, and thus stature, are quite
sensitive to the overall nutrition and health and,
therefore, exhibits considerable phenotypic plasticity.

http://www.sarks.fi/fa/PDF/FA23_24.pdf

[Nicholas-Mountblack]

Searching about DNA of saami, I found that the average finnish have 7% of Northeast Asian, the component reflects mixing with native Siberian populations, particularly the reindeer-herding Sami people of far northern Scandinavia. So if a average finns have 7% of asian dna and the sami people contribute this component that means, the percent of asian dna in saami are more high.

Screenshot:56248

https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/reference-populations/

[Riffian Warrior]

Well there are Saamis with round infantile faces, but it looks like they are pretty much everywhere nowadays. The problem is, that the guys you posted on the OP, as examples of Saami mongoloid types I guess, all had in fact a very robust morphologies.

This is the profile of one of the the guys from your OP

http://oi57.tinypic.com/ztixxx.jpg

This obviously a very robust morphology and very far from any kind, so called neotenized mongoloid morphology. It is in fact much closer to Neanderthal morphology, in a way

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-J6s77Np7H30/UJz0J8GA9xI/AAAAAAAAAyA/vzWrW6FbDeA/s1600/Neanderthal_profile.jpg

Notice the sloped forehead, large protruding nose, and even the receding chin.

He has one thing tho, that is the so called flattened mongoid face.

Here is a very robust Tungid guy with a sloped forehead, flattened face, but unlike the Saami - a positive chin. One big difference obviusly is the very low nasalbridge of the Tungid guy.

http://oi42.tinypic.com/11ghzsl.jpg

Here is a Native American man with similar morphology, but again with different nose shape

http://www.old-picture.com/indians/pictures/Profile-Indian-Man.jpg

Now I'm going to post a set of people with a set of different features to the above

http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae321/sharkeatpeople/429717d3-d8a7-4b1d-882c-e92c68be8c89_zps441da38c.jpg
http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu253/Tyranos/Image35-2.jpg
http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu253/Tyranos/Image36.jpg
http://topconservativenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/jake_england.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rGHuq9-iasQ/SBLr-L0h-II/AAAAAAAAAAY/Wevn_5uvtwU/s1600-h/di2.jpg
http://qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-07eabb9a03445284244eadcbe923b7af?convert_to_webp=t rue
http://www.geniv.com/ako888/gallery/lau_andy/1.jpg
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Observer/Pix/pictures/2013/11/30/1385822473335/Xi-Jinping-profile-009.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7174/6469785821_8c6be6ed8b_o.jpg
http://imagizer-cv.imageshack.us/a/img280/5528/gota0015os.jpg

Now the important thing to notice there, is that all of them as wholly moderns, are orthognatic, but none of them is flatfaced.

Whereas the Saami guy is flatfaced, but not a drop orthognatic. Brilliant.

Interesting