G20 Toronto

[Sol Invictus]

Here's some pictures I took at the demonstrations I have video too but I am trying to improve the quality and put it on youtube right now

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[Sol Invictus]

Here's a few .. I'm uploading more sorry for the quality

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[ironman]

Here's a few .. I'm uploading more sorry for the quality
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I admire the police restraint, instead of shouting their mouths off at goverment lackies they should have been shouting out loud how glad they are to be living in a country where the police don't really kick the shit out of you for shouting your mouth off...;)

[Sol Invictus]

I admire the police restraint, instead of shouting their mouths off at goverment lackies they should have been shouting out loud how glad they are to be living in a country where the police don't really kick the shit out of you for shouting your mouth off...;)

Actually they made a habit out of targetting us one by one and kicking the shit out of us. I was arrested and placed in the wagon with 7 others, including two Reuters photographers. One of them was tazed in the thigh after he was thrown to the ground.

Another fellow protester in the wagon was punched in the face by a female cop and thrown to the ground for saying "what the fuck you looking at?"

All of us were released without charge.

I personally saw, while I was on the ground in cuffs, a man on a bycicle who saw the police blocking an alley way, turned back away from them. He was thrown off his bike by 5 cops and man-handled for absolutely nothing.

[ironman]

Actually they made a habit out of targetting us one by one and kicking the shit out of us. I was arrested and placed in the wagon with 7 others, including two Reuters photographers. One of them was tazed in the thigh after he was thrown to the ground.

Another fellow protester in the wagon was punched in the face by a female cop and thrown to the ground for saying "what the fuck you looking at?"

All of us were released without charge.

I personally saw, while I was on the ground in cuffs, a man on a bycicle who saw the police blocking an alley way, turned back away from them. He was thrown off his bike by 5 cops and man-handled for absolutely nothing.



In my opinion there are mindless people who go to the world cup and put a horn to their mouths and blow it, then there is the mindless idiot who gets beat up by a female cop at a G20 when common sense should tell you to leave the city while you still can under your own power.

[Sol Invictus]

then there is the mindless idiot who gets beat up by a female cop at a G20 when common sense should tell you to leave the city while you still can under your own power.

Look mate, it was a peaceful assembly. I'm not going to leave my home because some thug mercenary decked-out like a stormtrooper tells me to, especially when they use violence against my fellow citizens, friends, and neighbours. That is exactly why I stood there shoulder to shoulder with them.

[ironman]

Look mate, it was a peaceful assembly. I'm not going to leave my home because some thug mercenary decked-out like a stormtrooper tells me to, especially when they use violence against my fellow citizens, friends, and neighbours. That is exactly why I stood there shoulder to shoulder with them.


Honestly John i got to my age by being careful, going to a G20 would not be considered being careful in my books, life is hard enough without taking a chance of a cop who goes to work after getting out of bed the wrong side, and then taking an ear bashing off his missus, then some idiot makes a mistake of insulting him while he has a long wooden baton in his hands...:coffee:

[RoyBatty]

In my opinion there are mindless people who go to the world cup and put a horn to their mouths and blow it, then there is the mindless idiot who gets beat up by a female cop at a G20 when common sense should tell you to leave the city while you still can under your own power.

You're very wrong Germanicus.

You're buying into the propaganda that "all these G20 protestors are mindless anarchists" who are only "out to riot" and "cause trouble". That's what the mainstream media and the rulers WANT YOU TO BELIEVE.

I marched against the Zionist / Bankster Iraq invasion in London way back in (2003?) and whilst the Police here aren't quite as fascist (yet) as what JP is describing things weren't exactly peachy either.

There were some interesting incidents at the recent Winter Olympics in Canada as well. Some poor dude got rolled by a pack of Plod for lighting a cigarette. The Police / State there is really turning into a nasty entity and other countries are following suit.

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It's also not uncommon for undercover Police to disguise themselves as protestors and to then start rioting and smashing things up in order to create an excuse for their colleagues to beat up / harrass / arrest peaceful protestors.

Things are being locked down, any dissenters are harassed and spied upon by the authorities, the media portrays them as "terrorists", "extremists" and "anarchists". There is no way to get rid of the ruling clique because they are financed by the rich and they own the media.

One can be a sheep in this life and bleat with the herd in the hope that it'll be the safer option whilst the authorities are beating seven bells out of those around you but at some point one's luck may just run out.......

[RoyBatty]

dedicated to our "saviours" and "protectors"

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[ironman]

You're very wrong Germanicus.

One can be a sheep in this life and bleat with the herd in the hope that it'll be the safer option whilst the authorities are beating seven bells out of those around you but at some point one's luck may just run out.......

I rest my case.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7988828.stm

A man who died during the G20 protest was pushed to the ground by a police officer, video footage has shown.

Ian Tomlinson, 47, collapsed from a heart attack during protests outside the Bank of England last Wednesday.

Newsagent Mr Tomlinson, who was not protesting, is seen receiving a two-handed push from a police officer.

A New York fund manager recorded the footage, saying he came forward with the video because Mr Tomlinson's family "were not getting any answers".

The pictures were shot at 1929 BST at Royal Exchange Passage. They are believed to be the last of Mr Tomlinson alive.



Mr Tomlinson's family have appealed for witnesses
Initially, the pictures show Mr Tomlinson walking away from a group of police officers.

He lands heavily on the ground before remonstrating with police.

Daniel Sandford, BBC Home Affairs correspondent, said: "Campaigners have been saying all along that Mr Tomlinson's heart attack may have, in some way, been linked to how the police were treating protesters that evening.

"This is now going to raise some more serious questions about the police behaviour on that night.

"Why is it that one of the officers walks up to a man who appears to be walking away from him?

"He [Mr Tomlinson] does not look like he is 100% co-operative but he is not being unco-operative."

The Guardian newspaper obtained the footage and it plans to hand the video to the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC).

An IPCC spokeswoman said: "The IPCC has been made aware of the footage broadcast on a national newspaper's website.

"We are now attempting to recover this evidence. We will be assessing this along with the other statements and photographs that have already been submitted."

Earlier, Mr Tomlinson's family made an appeal for witnesses.

A statement from the family said: "Ian was a massive football fan and would have looked distinctive in his Millwall top.

"He was probably on his way back from work to watch the England match and got caught up in the crowds."

[RoyBatty]

I understand your point about keeping out of the firing line in case Plod may choose to do something similar to you and yes, there is a very real chance they will assault you with maximum prejudice. They're a law unto themselves who have the backing of the State. That's a tough gang to compete against and yes... make no mistake... they are a GANG, not much different to any other type of gang or mob in this respect.

However, my point is that the more people start developing this kind of attitude ie the attitude of apathy, fear and compliance, the more Plod and The State will tighten it's already too tight grip on society which will be to the detriment of "the people" (as opposed to the ruling plutocracy who want this of course).

There's a saying by Thomas Jefferson which imo is quite true and topical:

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny;
When the government fears the people, there is liberty."

Like I said before, the safe and comfortable option for us is to turn a blind eye and to look the other way while all this BS is going on but on the other hand all we're effectively doing is to tighten the noose around our own necks.

[ironman]

I understand your point about keeping out of the firing line in case Plod may choose to do something similar to you.

However, my point is that the more people start developing this kind of attitude ie the attitude of apathy, fear and compliance, the more Plod and The State will tighten it's already too tight grip on society which will be to the detriment of "the people" (as opposed to the ruling plutocracy who want this of course).

There's a saying by Thomas Jefferson which imo is quite true and topical:

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny;
When the government fears the people, there is liberty."

Like I said before, the safe and comfortable option for us is to turn a blind eye and to look the other way while all this BS is going on but on the other hand all we're effectively doing is to tighten the noose around our own necks.

On the contrary i am not saying "turn a blind eye"

People who go to a G20 protest and demonstate in a warlike manner will ultimately lose, the odds are against you, the police have all the cards.
However, the clever person who wants to engage a demonstration of superior intellect will have read Sun Tzu "The Art of War"
http://uk.ask.com/wiki/Sun_Tzu

I read the book in the mid 1980s, it still has relevance today.
All urban demonstrators should ask for a copy at Christmas, as a gift.

[Austin]

It is a shame the police don't just lay into them and bash a few skulls open in the process. G20 protesters are of the worst order, most wouldn't even begin to live up to any test of decency or civility or actual adherence to a political ideology. I highly doubt most of them even vote in elections.

[Sol Invictus]

G20 protesters are of the worst order, most wouldn't even begin to live up to any test of decency or civility or actual adherence to a political ideology. I highly doubt most of them even vote in elections.

I'll take that as a compliment.

[ironman]

I'll take that as a compliment.


Par ardua ad astra....:coffee:

[Sol Invictus]

Funny thing about that comment Austin made was that the majority of the demonstrations I attended were plain clothed, ordinary joe schmos who were upset at the G20 being held here in Toronto but especially that so much of our money was spent on security. The MSM likes to paint the picture that all of them were anarchists when it was not.

[Austin]

Well no I know that John I'm just saying that generally people have work and can't go around risking being arrested. Surely there are normal people there I know that but I would venture to say many of those there have never and will never vote in an election yet are perfectly willing to scream about various policies afterwords.

[Sol Invictus]

Well no I know that John I'm just saying that generally people have work and can't go around risking being arrested. Surely there are normal people there I know that but I would venture to say many of those there have never and will never vote in an election yet are perfectly willing to scream about various policies afterwords.

You're wrong about that 100%.

[Austin]

I doubt it. I'd bet a lot of money for every 1 person there who has voted there are 5 junkies, 5 drunks, 5 people who have never had a job.

[Sol Invictus]

I doubt it. I'd bet a lot of money for every 1 person there who has voted there are 5 junkies, 5 drunks, 5 people who have never had a job.

Maybe. Who knows? I sure don't bother taking a census on each protestor that shows up.

That's what the Police do.

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[Austin]

I just see protesting the G20 as pointless really, the equivalent of an ant biting a rhino.

[nisse]

Actually they made a habit out of targetting us one by one and kicking the shit out of us. I was arrested and placed in the wagon with 7 others, including two Reuters photographers. One of them was tazed in the thigh after he was thrown to the ground.

Another fellow protester in the wagon was punched in the face by a female cop and thrown to the ground for saying "what the fuck you looking at?"

All of us were released without charge.

I personally saw, while I was on the ground in cuffs, a man on a bycicle who saw the police blocking an alley way, turned back away from them. He was thrown off his bike by 5 cops and man-handled for absolutely nothing.

Good for you for going!

I decided not to go to avoid trouble, but after seeing what happened on spadina and queen on sunday, I sure as hell wished I had gone. What the police are doing is an outrage! And people are saying that the treatment they recieved in the holding facilities was no better than what was evident on the streets. Police brutality pure and simple.

Dumbass Blair is saying that they have videos of inside of the holding facility and everything is 100% fine - that it's practically a hotel, whereas many of those released are saying that they were not given water, and that female prisoners were guarded and handled by male guards, etc., etc..I wonder if they have some doctored/staged tapes to counter what the people are saying

I sure hope lots of police bigshots get fired and there is a slew of class action suits to follow this up.

..The very presence of the police in such numbers (and they are still somewhat around) is a provocation...every time I walk by an "officer" I want to spit in their face. :mad:

[ironman]

What was the reason for you to go to the G20 John , was it the cost of the whole thing in your city that annoyed you so much, or was it the global control of the economic countries that attended it that made you compelled to swell the ranks of the great unwashed?

[Allenson]

It is a shame the police don't just lay into them and bash a few skulls open in the process. G20 protesters are of the worst order, most wouldn't even begin to live up to any test of decency or civility or actual adherence to a political ideology. I highly doubt most of them even vote in elections.

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Go ahead and put your head back in the sand.

[RoyBatty]

On the contrary i am not saying "turn a blind eye"

People who go to a G20 protest and demonstate in a warlike manner will ultimately lose, the odds are against you, the police have all the cards.

Yes you are correct and I don't disagree with this. My point and the point JP is trying to make is that the average protestors are not warlike lunatic rioters.

However, this is not the image that the (Plutocrat controlled and owned) media and the Police present. They focus heavily on presenting protestors and dissenters as lunatic fringe material, treehuggers, hippies, mad militant anarchists and so forth.

What happens is that just by turning up to voice your opposition to the Nazis in Government and their Police attack dogs you are automatically designated as an enemy of the State. This, as far as I'm concerned, is wrong. The more the public allow themselves to be intimidated by the State and its Police, the more society as a whole loses and the more the Plutocracy gains, at our expense naturally.

Having said all this, I agree that throwing rocks and trashing McDonalds (btw these incidents are often instigated by Police agent provocateurs) is not going to help anybody. The best way to oppose, attack and change a system is to sabotage it from the inside and that means keeping a low profile and playing a smart, devious and patient game.

Even so, there comes a time when people should grow a pair and have the courage to stand for / believe in something. ANY State (not just the usual black sheep countries) has the capacity to be turned into a virtual concentration camp. That definitely includes Western countries.

"Democracy" is no guarantee of freedom, liberty, human rights or fair treatment. "Democracy" doesn't give YOU, the voter any real say in how your country will be run either. It only gives you the opportunity to gamble on a professional liar who will do whatever he / she pleases once elected.

The only thing democracy guarantees is that one of (or a coalition of) the parties from the well-funded and established Political machines will be elected irrespective of what percentage of the population bothered to vote for them.

In other words, the "Western Democracy" model costs money and influence to operate and unless you have money, influence and power, you don't and won't have a say.

[ironman]

[originally posted by RoyBatty]
The best way to oppose, attack and change a system is to sabotage it from the inside and that means keeping a low profile and playing a smart, devious and patient game.


Exactly what i have been saying Roy...:)

[Sol Invictus]

I just see protesting the G20 as pointless really, the equivalent of an ant biting a rhino.

Well it wasn't all for nothing.. The Dutch Prime Minister couldn't even leave his hotel due to the protest and couldn't participate in the summit. :D