Why are southern Europeans generally of short stature?

[Golden_Eagle]

Was it because they drank less milk than northerners?

Danny Devito, Italian.
Height: 1.52m [ 5 ft 0 in]

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[MagicMan]

Albanians are probably the tallest in the south. They are as tall as Dutch.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

That's just their genetics.

[Empecinado]

Bergmann's rule (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergmann%27s_rule)

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

That's just their genetics.

That's the typical Italian that you see over here.

[MagicMan]

That's the typical Italian that you see over here.

I have met many Italians and all of them were shorter than me. I'm 1.80m tall.

[Charles Bronson]

-genetic
-nutrition
-healthy
-climate

[Queen B]

Southern people are certainly not at as tall as Dutch, but using Dani De Vito as an example is extremly idiotic

[Wadaad]

Feta cheese, olive oil and pasta is not height building cuisine.

[Highlands]

of course they are filthy sheeptar.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?161026-The-quot-Highlanders-quot

very subhuman sub-165cm height.

cherrypicked photos lol

The most common phenotype in Albanians is Dinarid so your argument fails straight away

[Highlands]

how exactly my dear sheeptar!?

and who was talking about photos??Did you even read the article??

I would suggest you to do so my dwarf vlach, you will learn why exactly you grow so short.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1570677X14000665

this is very scientific article! xD

You should read Coon's work not random articles (they normally test cities such as capital Tirana which are mixed).

And stop with personal insults - where did I insult you?

http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-XII13.htm

The kingdom of Albania, lying directly south of Montenegro, contains a population of roughly one million people; another million at least live outside the borders of their own country, mostly in Yugoslavia, although there are large colonies in Greece and in Rumania, as well as in the United States. They are divided into two distinct ethnic groups, each with its own variety and dialects of the Albanian language, its own costume, and its own particular pattern of culture. These are the Toscs in the south, and in the north and on the plain of Kossovo, the Ghegs. The Ghegs still preserve their system of exogamous patrilineal clans, comparable to that of the Montenegrins; they are divided into ten tribes of which at least part of each lies in Albania itself, and three or perhaps more outside. The ten in Albania include Malsia ë Madhë, Dukagin, Malsia Jakovës and Has, all north of the Drin, and reading from west to east. Both Has and Malsia Jakovës extend eastward into Old Serbia, north of Prizren; Malsia e Madhe has clans in Old Montenegro. Entirely outside of Albania, in Montenegro and the Kossovo country, are Peia, Podrima, and a number of clans in the neighborhood of Mitrovitza. South of the Drin are Zadrima, immediately southeast of Shkodra; Puka, Mirdita, and Luma, part of which is Serbian-speaking; south of this band are Mati, the tribe of King Zog, and Dibra, which occupies the slopes on either side of the Black Drin.

Seventy per cent of the Albanians in Albania are Moslems, nearly all in Yugoslavia are. The remaining 30 per cent are equally divided between Catholics and Greek Orthodox. The Catholics are all Ghegs, the Orthodox all Toscs. Of the Ghegs, all of Mirdita, all of Dukagin, and parts of Zadrima, Malsia ë Madhë, Puka, Malsia Jakovës, Has, and Mati are Catholic. The Catholics are the most conservative culturally, and as a rule the most remote in their habitat. Neither Catholicism nor Islam have inhibited the functioning of the Gheg social system, which operates in an unusual manner. Each tribe is divided into geographical and political divisions known as bairaks, but independent of this is another concept known as the fis. The fis is an exogamous patrilineal kinship group, without geographical attachment; several whole bairaks may belong to one fis, and thus be excluded from intermarriage; on the other hand one small village may contain branches of several fis, some large and national, other small and local.

The fis is the body of descendants in the male line of one usually eponymous ancestor. In various tribes different rules hold as to the determination of when this relationship may become so remote that the marriage

http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe-map15.jpg

restriction breaks down; in some, after one hundred generations; in others, only when the exact relationship is unknown. This exogamy has a close bearing upon the regional physical anthropology of the Ghegs, since it oversteps tribal boundaries and causes a trading of wives over large distances. Designed to prevent incest, it actually produces close in-breeding, since reciprocal matings amount in many cases to habitual cross-cousin marriage.

The most important fis is that to which the people of the famous bairaks of Shoshi and Shala, in Dukagin, belong, and also three of the five bairaks of Mirdita. The restrictions against intermarriage between Shoshi and Shala have broken down, as well even as unions between moieties within these bairaks, but in Mirdita all the young men of the three bairaks of Spaç, Orosh, and Kushnein must take their wives from the other two, Dibri and Fan. The original ancestors of this super-fis were brothers, who came from the plain of Kossovo into the mountains looking for refuge, at least 100 generations ago, according to the popular tradition. That many such movements must have taken place in the past is apparent; northern Albania is a refuge area of the first water. The Albanian language, a hybrid between Illyrian, Thracian, Latin, Slavic, Turkish, and other elements, reflects the ethnically composite origin of the Albanians.

The stature of the Ghegs is extremely variable geographically; the tribes which touch Montenegro have means of 173 cm. and 174 cm.; the northernmost bairaks of Malsia ë Madhë and Dukagin, which lie closest to Old Montenegro, are taller than the southern ones within their own tribes.127 On the south side of the Drin the means fall to 169 cm., and continues to the level of 167 cm. in Mati and Mirdita. The stature level of the Montenegrins tapers off much more rapidly to the south of its nucleus than it does to the north. The descent in stature level is steepest on the western side of the mountains; on the eastern side, from Has to Dibra, there is a drop of only 2 cm. The stature of the Albanians is chronologically constant; there is no internal evidence of recent increase.

The relative span of the Ghegs is 104, higher than that of Montenegrins, and more in accordance with Dinaric standards. The relative sitting height of 52.8 is much the same, and show no regional differences of any importance. As in Montenegro, bodily build is not controlled by stature; the most thick-set individuals are often the tallest. The shoulder breadth-stature ratio is in fact highest in the tribes adjoining Montenegro.

The mean cephalic index of the Ghegs is 85, as with most Dinarics. Geographically, however, the highest indices are found in the west, in Malsia Jakovës, Zadrima, and Mati, the three tribes situated on the coastal side of the mountain chain; here the means lie between 86.5 and 87. A zone of relative long-headedness is found in the east, in Malsia Jakovës and Luma, where the means are 83. Thus the progression is from west to east, and not north to south, as with stature.

As one would expect, the head dimensions vary with stature; the mean head lengths in the north range from 186 mm. to 190 mm.; in the south from 183 mm. to 185 mm. The head breadths run from 162 mm. in Malsia ë Madhë to 165 mm. in Luma. The widest heads are thus found in proximity to Old Montenegro. The vaults of the Ghegs are moderately high; ranging from 129 mm. in the north, to 126 mm. in the south. The facial diameters show both a north-south and an east-west progression: the minimum frontal mean, for example, is 112 mm. in Malsia ë Madhë and 110 mm. in other tribes north of the Drin; elsewhere it falls to 107 mm. and 108 mm. The bizygomatic, with a mean of 144 mm. in the northwestern tribes, falls regularly to 140-141 mm. in the south and cast. The bigonial follows a similar progression from 109 mm. to 107 mm. In these facial diameters, as in stature, the northwesternmost Ghegs form a continuation of the oversized racial area of Old Montenegro; elsewhere there is a rapid tapering to a normal Dinaric condition. It is to be noted that among these Dinarics, patently the descendants of pre-Germanic and pre-Slavic mountain peoples, the forehead is wider than the mandible, and the face takes on the characteristic form of an inverted triangle.

Once outside the Montenegrin area, the face loses its excessive height; the mean menton-nasion diameter of the Ghegs is 124 mm., comparable to face heights in southern Germany and Switzerland. The greatest heights, reaching a mean of 126 mm. in Has, are found in the east, along the edges of the plain of Kossovo; the shortest, reaching 121 mm. in Mirdita, are located in the central mountain nucleus, from Dukagin to Mati. This regional pattern is clearly shown by the facial index, which runs from 86 in the center and west, to 89 in the east. All tribes but Has, however, are mesoprosopic. The upper facial index is even more variable: the mean for Mirdita is 49; for Has 54; this range is nearly as great as that for all of Europe. The noses of the Ghegs, 58 mm. high by 34 mm. wide, are among the world's most leptorrhine, with a mean nasal index of 58.

Metrically the Gheg tribes present a complex situation; the rapid progression from north to south in stature and in the breadths of the head and face show that the Borreby-like nucleus of Old Montenegro does not extend far southward into Albania. The tall, northern tribesmen are the most heavily built, the shorter southern ones the most sparely; a conven-tional Dinaric build goes with the shorter stature level. In the eastern tribes there is strong evidence of a moderately tall, long-faced, dolichocephalic element; while a short-faced element, metrically suggestive of Alpines, is centered in the very remote mountain valleys of Mirdita.

Almost all of the Ghegs are light-skinned, with the von Luschan #3 and 7 most frequently represented. Freckling, common in Montenegro, is rare here; what little there is is confined almost entirely to the tribes nearest Old Montenegro, and here it reaches but 5 per cent. The head hair is usually brunet, with black or near black reaching 40 per cent, and dark to medium brown 45 per cent. Light brown or blond hair, which is almost always on the golden or slightly rufous side, accounts for the other 15 per cent. Only two men out of 1100 were found to have ash-blond hair. As in Montenegro, the beards are much lighter than the head hair; the black contingent is reduced to 6 per cent, while 36 per cent are reddish brown or auburn, 3 per cent red, and 30 per cent golden blond or light brown with a golden tinge. The rufous tendency, while not as pronounced as in parts of Montenegro, exists to the virtual exclusion of ash-blondism. Regionally, the darkest hair is found in Mirdita and in the eastern border; the lightest in the west and south.

Seventeen per cent of Ghegs have pure brown eyes, and 7 per cent pure light ones. Half the group has green-brown iris combinations and 20 per cent blue-brown. Of the mixed eyes, 30 per cent are dark-mixed, and 48 per cent predominantly light, the rest nearly even. The Ghegs are, therefore, thoroughly mixed, or almost completely intermediate, in eye color, with the blond element or elements slightly more important than the brunet. The darkest eyes are found in Dukagin, and in Malsia Jakova, on the border of Old Serbia; there 25 per cent of eyes are brown. Elsewhere there is little regional differentiation.

The head hair of the Ghegs is usually wavy, and medium to fine in texture; it is of greater than average abundance for Europeans on mustache, cheek, jaw, and on the body; at the same time the correlative tendency to baldness is strong here. The eyebrows are usually thick, and are concurrent in 70 per cent of the group. As in Montenegro, the foreheads are seldom very sloping; the browridges are usually on the heavy side of medium. External eyefolds, found in 35 per cent of the group, are commonest in the tribes which form a continuation of the western mountain zone south of Old Montenegro; elsewhere the high Dinaric orbit precludes their development in most cases.

The nasal morphology of the Ghegs is usually more strictly Dinaric than that of the Montenegrins; the root and bridge are more consistently elevated, and the tip as a rule thinner. Well over 50 per cent have convex profiles; only 6 per cent concave. Less than half the tips are inclined downward; only in Malsia ë Madhë, closest to Montenegro, are depressed tips in the majority. With the thin nasal tip goes a high ratio of compressed nasal wings; the Gheg nose is truly leptorrhine morphologically as well as metrically.

The faces of the Ghegs often lack the strong bony relief so noticeable among Montenegrins; the lateral jut of the zygomatic arches is usually restricted, and the gonial angles are usually of but medium prominence. The cheeks are usually drawn and thin, and while this condition may be partly nutritional, it has its racial implications. The plump, fat-padded cheeks of the Ukrainian peasants stand at the opposite European extreme.

The morphology of the occipital region among the Ghegs, in view of their general Dinaric character, is of particular interest. The occipital protrusion is as a rule slight to medium; it is least in the western tribes. and greatest in the eastern. Actual occipital flattening is found in only 30 per cent of the group; tribal incidences range from 50 per cent in Malsia ë Madhë to 20 per cent in Dukagin, Malsia Jakovës, and Puka. On the whole the distribution is definitely west to east. Lambdoid flattening is found among 44 per cent of the Ghegs; it is thus more frequent than the occipital form. Its tribal distribution is exactly opposite to that of occipital flattening; the two phenomena are usually complementary, and a minority only of individuals lacks either.

There has been much discussion upon the subject of occipital flattening, both in Albania and in Asia Minor; there are two definite schools, one which believes that it is natural and racially determined, the other that it is a form of artificial deformation caused by cradling. My own position lies between these two extremes;128 occipital flattening is without doubt a phenomenon associated with the entire mechanical orientation of the cranium in the Dinaric race, and especially with the position of the foramen magnum to the rear of that usual in most races. As such, it is undeniably inherited.

At the same time, the use of the Albanian cradle, in which the shoulders are bound but the head is not, may in some instances have caused an intensification of this flattening, since the heads of some living Albanians are unquestionably deformed. However, since cradling practices are regionally uniform in Albania, the geographical distribution of this character is wholly racial in pattern.

At this point there arises the entire question of Dinaric origins, which may be approached on the basis of a statistical analysis of the Gheg material. Attempts to intercorrelate metrical and morphological characters with each other and with pigmentation reveal the presence of the following types in Ghegnia, each of which shows a tendency for the characters of which it is composed to associate themselves as a unit.

(1) A tall, large-headed, brachycephalic, wide-faced type, with intermediate pigmentation, and an especial tendency toward rufosity. This is the Borreby-like type prevalent in Montenegro; in Albania it is almost wholly confined to the tribe of Malsia ë Madhë, and within that tribe is concentrated in the bairak of Gruda.

(2) A medium-statured, brachycephalic, short-faced type, with mixed pigmentation, which is fundamentally Alpine. It is found in all tribes, but is commonest in the refuge area of Mirdita.

(3) A tall, dolichocephalic or mesocephalic type with dark hair and dark brown eyes, a straight nasal profile, and a tendency toward a lesser leptorrhiny than the total group. This is an Atlanto-Mediterranean racial type which is also prevalent in other Balkan countries. It may also be sorted out of available statistical series of Greeks, while it is common in Bulgaria and easily distinguishable among Serbs. It, or a similar type, also occurs with Dinarics in northern Italy and the Tyrol. In northern Albania it is commonest in Malsia Jakovës and Dukagin.

(4) A very strongly differentiated type which is characterized by medium stature, exceptional brachycephaly, great narrowness and convexity of the nose, a high incidence of occipital flattening, and a tendency to light brown eye color in combination with dark brown hair. This type may be called Dinaric in the full or specific sense; most of the other Ghegs are Dinarics in a partial or a general sense. This ultra-Dinaric type is commonest in the tribe of Dibra.

(5) A blond, brachycephalic, convex-nosed Noric, of standard type. It is commonest in Zadrima.

(6) A few light brown-haired Nordics, centered in Luma.

As a result of the foregoing division of the Gheg material into natural sub-racial compartments, it becomes apparent that the Dinaric race, in the sense of a tall, convex-nosed, long-faced population inhabiting the mountain zone which stretches from Switzerland to Albania, is a composite aggregation of racial types. The specific nature of the Dinaric population of any given segment of this zone depends upon the local elements involved; thus there are regional Dinaric sub-types. There is one dominant set of characters which pervades the Dinaric group; high brachycephaly, nasal convexity, occipital flattening, and a tendency toward the attenuation of extremities. Aside from these features, the original ingredients in the Dinaric blend tend to retain their old linkages.

The peculiar facial and cranial features of the Dinarics seem to be the results of differential inheritance in hybridization; the primary mixture which brings them about is apparently an Alpine-Mediterranean crass, with Mediterranean used in the widest sense of the word. The Asiatic Dinarics, who appeared early in the Metal Age, were apparently Alpine-Cappadocian hybrids; many of those went to Europe and settled in widely separated places, including sections of the Dinaric Alps. The exaggerated Dinaric type of Albania, with its tendency to light brown eye color may conceivably be derived from this source. It is also to be found in considerable numbers in the Tyrol.

All European Dinarics, however, cannot be traced to this Near Eastern origin; most of them must be the result of primary blendings on European soil. Here the two principal ingredients are the tall, dark brown-eyed Adanto-Mediterranean which seems old and basic in southeastern Europa and an ordinary Alpine. Nordic accretions produce a Noric, Borreby-like accretions an Old Montenegnn. Neo-Danubian Slavic additions product the small-faced type common in Slovenia, Croatia, and Serbia.

The blending of the Dinarics is never perfect in a chemical sense; in any Dinaric population there are ordinary Alpines and a few Atlanto-Mediterraneans along with their blended brethren. When the proportions of the ingredients are wrong, the type which is present in excess may be found in some numbers in its original form. That is why there are so many Alpines in France and Switzerland, and so many Atlanto-Mediterraneans in Malsia Jakovës.

Dinaricism is not a quality pertaining to a single race, it is a condition. This condition is common in Europe; it is also common in western Asia. Furthermore, it is not confined to the white racial stock; the principle of hybrid inheritance which produces Dinarics in Europe has also produced Papuans in New Guinea, the Arii aristocrats in Polynesia, and many American Indians.

The southern half of Albania, the homeland of the Toscs, lies outside the Dinaric racial area in the strictest sense. The Toscs are dwellers in compact villages, wearers of pleated kilts like the Greeks, and frequent emigrants to other lands. Like the Mzabites in Algeria, and the Hadhramis of southern Arabia, many of the male inhabitants of several southern Albanian towns, notably Korça, migrate to distant lands in their youth, work in factories or run shops, and return when they have accumulated enough money. It was this system which first led Albanians to migrate to America, a system which the Toscs share with the Greeks.

The only adequate anthropometric data extant which deals with the Toscs is a series from southwestern Albania, from the town of Gjinokastër and its neighborhood.129 These Aginocastrians are on the short side of medium in stature, with a mean of 164 cm.; they are long-bodied, with a mean relative sitting height of 53.7, and medium in arm extension (rel. span = 103.4). They are, as a rule, medium to lateral in bodily build. Their cephalic index mean, 90.8, is by far the highest recorded in Europe. Their head length, 177 mm., is extremely small, its breadth, 161 mm., great. The auricular height of 122 mm. is moderate to low. The forehead is rather broad, with a minimum frontal of 109 mm., the mandible less so, with a bigonial of 107 mm., while the face breadth, 141 mm., like the other facial dimensions, falls into the Alpine range. The face height, 119 mm., is moderately short; the facial index, 84.4, barely mesoprosopic. The nose, however, with a length of 56.3 mm. and a breadth of 34.4 mm., is very leptorrhine, in a typical Albanian manner, with a nasal index of 61.

Toscs measured in Rumania have a mean cephalic index of 87; members of the Tosc colonies of southern Italy, who fled across the Adriatic from the Turks in the sixteenth century, a mean of 80. It seems probable that the extreme index mean of the Gjinokastër neighborhood is higher than that for the Tosc country as a whole; yet individual Toscs measured in Massachusetts run well into the 90's. The Italian Toscs may owe their relative dolichocephaly to (a) mixture with Italians, (b) selection at source of migration, or (c) the possibility that the high brachycephaly of the Tosc country may be a recent phenomenon, as in southern Germany, Bohemia, and so many other central European countries. It is very possible that the high brachycephaly of the Toscs at home may be partly due to cradling; it is a commonplace in the Albanian colony of Massachusetts that the newer generation born in Stockbridge and Brockton licks in many cases the extreme occipital brevity of its parents.

Further exposition concerning the physical anthropology of the Toscs must take the form of subjective observations and remarks, which are permissible only in lieu of adequate data. In the first place, the fundamental Tosc type is Alpine. The head form, with or without occipital flattening, is usually globular, the forehead high and often bulbous, the face frequently round in contour. The nose in many cases lacks the high-bridged Dinaric character found among the Ghegs, as well as the common depression of the tip. This Alpine type is well represented by photographs on Plate 14. Beside the Alpines, there are many Dinarics in southern Albania, but they probably form a minority, and in any case are extremely variable. In Albania it is very easy to distinguish a Gheg; they have a racial hall-mark which is hard to define and easy to recognize; the Toscs are much less homogeneous, and in America they pass for the most part unnoticed in the general racial hodge-podge. Most Bostonians, who possibly see fifty to one hundred Toscs in a week, are unaware of their presence, while they have definite ideas, formed upon first sight, as to who is an Italian, an Armenian, or a Jew.

It is my opinion that the Toscs, in pigmentation as well as in bodily and facial characters, resemble the southern and central French very closely; that they and the French form the two ends of the Alpine racial area in Europe, the center of which is largely taken up by the Dinaric amalgam.


Notes:

127 This section is based upon a series of 1100 Ghegs measured by the author in 1929-30. In each of the ten tribes within Albania, the sample includes over 100 men; within each tribe the bairak and village distribution is approximately even. Other sources dealing with the Ghegs include:

Haberlandt, A., and Lebzelter, V., AFA, vol. 45, 1919, pp. 123-142.
Pittard, E., Les Peuples des Balkans.
Tildesley, M. L., Biometrika, vol. 25, 1933, pp. 21-51.
Weninger, J., Rasseukundliche Untersuchungen an Albanern, RPN, ser. A. vol. 4, 1934.

128 A detailed study of this question will be published in the author's The Physical Anthropology of Northern Albania.

129 Tildesley, M. L, Biometrika, vol. 25, 1933, pp. 21-51.

See also:

Pittard, E., Les Peuples des Balkans; RA, vol. 40, 1930, pp. 109-115 (for Toscs in Rumania);
Zampa, R., RDAP, ser. 3, vol. 1, pp. 625-648 (for Toscs in Italy).

[Linet]

Feta cheese, olive oil and pasta is not height building cuisine.

Ok, i loled http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing002.gif

[Queen B]

Feta cheese, olive oil and pasta is not height building cuisine.
They didn't stop me or my family members from growing :bored:

[Graus]

They didn't stop me or my family members from growing :bored:

Now imagine how tall you would be without it, you could spit on the Akropolis.

[Lemon Kush]

I'm 6'4 will I feel short in the Netherlands?

[Äijä]

You could find out by looking at the DNA of the midgets.

[Highlands]

go to wiki and let me know how tall are you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_height

I am waiting for your next excuse. xD

Don't bring me into this. In fact although I'm a little gracile I'm tall for my age and well developed.
There is nothing left to say. What more accurate and reliable study do you want other than Coon? He studied Albanians extensively and for a long time & had no agenda unlike you. Some surveys and outdated studies you have posted have no value.
Read: The mountain of Giants
https://archive.org/stream/TheMountainsOfGiants/Mountains_of_Giants_djvu.txt

Why would anyone call them Giants? Did he have an agenda? Was he hallucinating? We will never know.:rolleyes:

[Queen B]

Now imagine how tall you would be without it, you could spit on the Akropolis.
More than 1.90 I guess. :lol:

[Hithaeglir]

Dani de Vito is an extreme example to say the least.We are of "normal" height.Neither giants or dwarfs.

[Anthony PV]

I always knew you were from a Filipino type....your butthurt here just confirmed it to me. So, what is your ethnicity? Vietnamese? Thai? I know you come from one of those OWD Asian countries... Filipino boy stop talking about Islam and Muslims... how about you go crazy for basketball, because Afram GI's taught you midgets these sports :lol:
Hey, Wadaad! You Jihadist camelfucker! Why do you think I'm Filipino? I don't know if you noticed, dumbass, but we both live in Canada... And here, people watch hockey, not basketball... BTW, beyond their bigger browridge and their pronounced forehead, I'm not interested in having the phenotype of Europeans... Now, do me a favor, camelfucker, go blow yourself up in an empty field so you can play Magic: The Gathering with 72 virgins! :eviltongue:

[Incal]

Yeah because Jamaicans are such midgets, right? Dont get too autistic now, please.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jEQEGQYUuI

[Balmung]

Too much pizza and pasta brah, their diet needs to be more American-like. They need more pork, more hamburgers, more hotdogs, more fish, man food, man.

[MagicMan]

of course they are filthy sheeptar.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?161026-The-quot-Highlanders-quot

very subhuman sub-165cm height.

I was under that false impression since that is what everyone says in this forum... that Albanians are one of the tallest in Europe.

[Äijä]

Too much pizza and pasta brah, their diet needs to be more American-like. They need more pork, more hamburgers, more hotdogs, more fish, man food, man.

I recommend a North Sea-Baltic Sea diet of Northern Europe.

[Empecinado]

We would expect SSA to be typically smaller in size but that isn't the case.

It doesn't always applies, but most of times do. If you compare different subspecies of a same animal within Europe, the southern ones are smaller and the northern are bigger.

I think SSA are taller because sexual selection there favors physical traits in a higher degree than here.

[Anthony PV]

If people on this forum make stupid and broad statements about the height of people, like saying 'Nordics' are automatically taller than 'Mediterraneans' because Arnold Schwarzenegger is taller than Danny de Vito, then I guess they don't go out much to meet other people in real life... :rolleyes:

[Incal]

If people on this forum make stupid and broad statements about the height of people, like saying 'Nordics' are automatically taller than 'Mediterraneans' because Arnold Schwarzenegger is taller than Danny de Vito, then I guess they don't go out much to meet other people in real life... :rolleyes:

Well it's no secret 50%> of the forum population are antisocial.

[Trogdor]

Danny DeVito is the representative for how all Southern Europeans look now?

[Anthony PV]

Danny DeVito is the representative for how all Southern Europeans look now?
That was the point of my comment: if the OP compared the height of de Vito to that of Schwarzenegger's as the basis for his question 'Why are Southern Europeans smaller than Northern Europeans?' and all the commentators formulated all kind of absurd theories to answer that question, well, that proves to me that they don't go out much to meet other people in real life... :p

[Trogdor]

That was the point of my comment: if the OP compared the height of de Vito to that of Schwarzenegger's as the basis for his question 'Why are Southern Europeans smaller than Northern Europeans?' and all the commentators formulated all kind of absurd theories to answer that question, well, that proves to me that they don't go out much to meet other people in real life... :p

Plus Arnie is a bodybuilder. Yeah, not a very strong case they are making. You could literally take any Southern European actor who is tall and a Northern European actor who is short, put them side by side and try to make an argument one is taller than the other off that. It would make about as much sense.

[Trogdor]

I don't buy into the pan-European unity and white nationalist stuff either...

[Anthony PV]

Meh, I've read that in American prisons, Whites are so outnumbered that prison gangs like the Aryan Brotherhood and the Nazi Low-Riders are forced to accept Jews and mulattoes in their ranks... And Jews and mulattoes are also forced to join them if they want to survive in that environment... So, whether you believe in White nationalism or not, you'll probably be forced to join them if you end up in jail... :p The same way, Europeans will be forced to put aside their differences and unite if they want to survive the coming Jihad and the endless waves of refugees and illegal immigrants... :p

[katniss]

You should read Coon's work not random articles

Why should we read pseudoscientist like Coon? Modern science and genetics denied his observations.

In mainstream academic circles pseudoscientific ideas about racial typologies had been rejected long time ago. How work of the pseudoscientists that described "races" looked like. First, they found people with a certain phenotype. After that, they were looking for people that look similar. Finally, they stated that certain phenotype is dominant in certain area, although only 5, 10 or 20% people fit the description of that "race". It is quite normal that people in a particular area resemble each other. They are distant cousins, because the birth rate in the past was high.

Balkan highlanders is tall persons due to several reasons.

Their nutrition was based on milk. The birth rate was high; mortality was high. Only the strongest survived. Therefore, there were a lot of people that resemble each other. Prominent nose is very often a sign of high level of testosterone. Testosterone has influence on bone structure. That is a reason why men's noses are on average larger than women's. It has nothing to do with "race" and genetics.
Albanian tribes Gheg and Tosk have similar genetics, but their phenotypes is diferent because way of living was different.
The term Dinaric is just a geographical term. In scrict sense it is name of the mountain in southern Croatia and in the wider sense it is entire mountain range from Slovenia to northern Albania. People in that region have different phenotypes and certainly they dont belong to the same "race". Even if that "race" exists, the name is not well chosen.

[Trogdor]

Meh, I've read that in American prisons, Whites are so outnumbered that prison gangs like the Aryan Brotherhood and the Nazi Low-Riders are forced to accept Jews and mulattoes in their ranks... And Jews and mulattoes are also forced to join them if they want to survive in that environment... So, whether you believe in White nationalism or not, you'll probably be forced to join them if you end up in jail... :p The same way, Europeans will be forced to put aside their differences and unite if they want to survive the coming Jihad and the endless waves of refugees and illegal immigrants... :p

I'd lose most of my brain cells before I joined a WN group.

[Äijä]

Meh, I've read that in American prisons, Whites are so outnumbered that prison gangs like the Aryan Brotherhood and the Nazi Low-Riders are forced to accept Jews and mulattoes in their ranks... And Jews and mulattoes are also forced to join them if they want to survive in that environment... So, whether you believe in White nationalism or not, you'll probably be forced to join them if you end up in jail... :p The same way, Europeans will be forced to put aside their differences and unite if they want to survive the coming Jihad and the endless waves of refugees and illegal immigrants... :p

BS, if there is a will there is a way.
Finland alone could even build nukes and annihilate any military invasion, immigration is all politics not some force of nature.
Europe has reached a state of development that it can resist anything less than the end of the world served by nature.

[Anthony PV]

I'd lose most of my brain cells before I joined a WN group.
It's not a matter of braincells, it's a matter of plain survival, period. Unless you're a vicious killing machine capable of making it in there on its own, you'll be forced to join one of them if you want to survive in such an environment.


BS, if there is a will there is a way. Finland alone could even build nukes and annihilate any military invasion, immigration is all politics not some force of nature. Europe has reached a state of development that it can resist anything less than the end of the world served by nature.
Prrrttt... Ancient Rome was more technologically advanced and better equipped than the German barbarians who invaded it. Yet, how come Rome fell and the Germans built their own kingdoms over it? :p

[Trogdor]

It's not a matter of braincells, it's a matter of plain survival, period. Unless you're a vicious killing machine capable of making it in there on its own, you'll be forced to join one of them if you want to survive in such an environment.

Well good thing I won't end up in jail then. :)

[Faklon]

You should read Coon's work not random articles (they normally test cities such as capital Tirana which are mixed).



That's kind of interesting actually since if you exclude the Northen tribes,the Tosks look taller in earlier measurements and Sphakiots top it.

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/8821/27454248.png

When you have Dutch 50 years ago(from the study) being 1,65m or so.

[Äijä]

Prrrttt... Ancient Rome was more technologically advanced and better equipped than the German barbarians who invaded it. Yet, how come Rome fell and the Germans built their own kingdoms over it? :p

Ancient Rome was financially and morally corrupt and its armies where full of well trained and equipped "barbarians".
Modern Europe only needs to recruit more immigrants in its armies to recreate the same events.

When you loose the free landowning citizen soldier as the core of your society you are on the road to degeneration and collapse.

[Anthony PV]

Ancient Rome was financially and morally corrupt and its armies where full of well trained and equipped "barbarians".
A little bit like today's Europe, no? ;)


Modern Europe only needs to recruit more immigrants in its armies to recreate the same events.
Isn't that what is happening right now? ;)


When you loose the free landowning citizen soldier as the core of your society you are on the road to degeneration and collapse.
Hon, hon, hon... You 'sound' like an American libertarian. :p

[Oneeye]

thats why yellow race cannot digest protein the same way ubermenschen can.

they are lactose intolerant.



Lactose is a sugar/carbohydrate. They digest protein fine.

[Äijä]

Lactose is a sugar/carbohydrate. They digest protein fine.

I understood that he ment that lactose intolerance takes away fresh milk from the diet.

Fresh milk, especially produced after calfs birth is high on protein.
It also increases amino acids and the process of protein synthesis that have many positive effects like enhanced muscle growth.

[Highlands]

Why should we read pseudoscientist like Coon? Modern science and genetics denied his observations.

In mainstream academic circles pseudoscientific ideas about racial typologies had been rejected long time ago. How work of the pseudoscientists that described "races" looked like. First, they found people with a certain phenotype. After that, they were looking for people that look similar. Finally, they stated that certain phenotype is dominant in certain area, although only 5, 10 or 20% people fit the description of that "race". It is quite normal that people in a particular area resemble each other. They are distant cousins, because the birth rate in the past was high.

Balkan highlanders is tall persons due to several reasons.

Their nutrition was based on milk. The birth rate was high; mortality was high. Only the strongest survived. Therefore, there were a lot of people that resemble each other. Prominent nose is very often a sign of high level of testosterone. Testosterone has influence on bone structure. That is a reason why men's noses are on average larger than women's. It has nothing to do with "race" and genetics.
Albanian tribes Gheg and Tosk have similar genetics, but their phenotypes is diferent because way of living was different.
The term Dinaric is just a geographical term. In scrict sense it is name of the mountain in southern Croatia and in the wider sense it is entire mountain range from Slovenia to northern Albania. People in that region have different phenotypes and certainly they dont belong to the same "race". Even if that "race" exists, the name is not well chosen.

Phenotype is pseudoscience but height is measured in standardized/ arbitrary unit so there's little to debate there. Ghegs and Tosks are actually a bit different genetically. Ghegs from Montenegro, North Albania and Western Kosovo (traditional tribal areas) have much lower Mediterranean affinity on average. There is a gedrosian genetic component which is associated with Indo-Europeans and Y-DNA R1b (north western europe, celtic europe, gheg albanians). Ghegs score a little more http://cdn.eupedia.com/images/content/Gedrosian-admixture.gif

On the other hand, there are Albanians who have strong Mediterranean affinity. It's quite diverse just like Italy and Greece. You can't make generalized statements about an ethnicity.

[Highlands]

Please explain the bold.... teehee... I couldn't help myself.

Exactly what you're thinking.

[Leo Iscariot]

Southern Europe is actually the Shire.

[Ctwentysevenj]

http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/livereak-gekiyaku/imgs/f/1/f10aa092.png

Another comparison, the fatty chart!
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/04/24/article-1173148-04A48326000005DC-459_468x368.jpg

[Hellenas]

Was it because they drank less milk than northerners?

Danny Devito, Italian.
Height: 1.52m [ 5 ft 0 in]

http://i.share.pho.to/800158f8_o.jpeg (http://pho.to/9MzXh)
http://i.share.pho.to/735cbcbc_o.jpeg (http://pho.to/9MzVR)

Speaking of Greece, because they carry the genes of Socrates

https://www.singularityweblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/socrates-drawing.jpg

[Hellenas]

Another comparison, the fatty chart!
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/04/24/article-1173148-04A48326000005DC-459_468x368.jpg

Typical Greek woman

http://content-mcdn.feed.gr/filesystem/images/20081113/low/assets_LARGE_t_1401_1678049.JPG

http://www.iliaoikonomia.gr/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/41b136ceb3dbdf845f56075836abbbe7.jpg

[Lemon Kush]

1.72 average height for Serbia is a fucking joke.

[Incal]

because world class athletes definitely fit to "average" jamaican classification, right!?

..meanwhile average jamaican.

http://bobmarley.cdn.junip.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/bob-marley-wallpaper1.jpg

JA MON!

And music artists do?

[Oneeye]

where do you think whey proteine comes from??

just curious.

http://eatcleanessex.com/resources/Whey-Protein-Prices-in-Malaysia-wellnessguru.jpg

Find a lactose intolerant person that can't consume proteins. xD LACTOSE is a sugar. Any wog can take whey protein powders most likely (and cheese)

[Oneeye]

Also, protein is NOT difficult to come by. I seriously doubt any Southern Euros are suffering from a a lack of protein in their diet. The height is clearly genetic, as they tend to have a high standard of living.

[StormBringer]

Didn't you watch the film?They gave the Übermensch all the good genes, and scraped the bottom of the barrel when slapping us together.

[Cristiano viejo]

I am 1 80 :noidea:

[Kastrioti1443]

That's kind of interesting actually since if you exclude the Northen tribes,the Tosks look taller in earlier measurements and Sphakiots top it.

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/8821/27454248.png

When you have Dutch 50 years ago(from the study) being 1,65m or so.

This looks like a study of the early 20th century or late 19th. In those years, for general reasons only Tosks were studied and taken official measurements , so those albos studied there are Tosks. Coon wasn't wrong about creatn highlanders when he mentioned their height.

What is the name of the study, the author, year and the number of individuals studied for each nation?

It is well known that Dutch used to be some of the shortest europeans, a proof that diet has do to a lot with the height.

[Kastrioti1443]

of course they are filthy sheeptar.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?161026-The-quot-Highlanders-quot

very subhuman sub-165cm height.

Only a servian subhuman mongrel like you ( even though there are many servian subhumans) would take into consideration a ''study'' where they compare sport students of age 18-23 in the sports universities of Podgorica and Belgrade with some men of age 45-50 years old in some poor communist village in central albania.

But i know that you are obsessed with Albos, they haven't given the salary to your prostitute sister yet, but in general they are punctual with the prostitutes of your nation.


but there is lots of orientals from Bulgaro-Macedon mongolo-turkic stock aswell as turkish settled semites.

A mongrel servian gypsy like you speaking about bulgarians is hilarious. You look like a unibrow gypsy you disgusting mongrel, how do you have the guts to speak about other people?

Those Waffen SS Divisions in Balkans shouldn't have been 2 or 3, but more like 20, especially the albanian ones, so in less than 1 year they could have killed every mongrel serv like you and done to the Balkans a great favor.

Disfigured swarthy serv, swarthyfing Bosnia with your dirty look.

[Kastrioti1443]

how exactly my dear sheeptar!?

and who was talking about photos??Did you even read the article??

I would suggest you to do so my dwarf vlach, you will learn why exactly you grow so short.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1570677X14000665

this is very scientific article! xD

Please servian mongrel, there is nothing scientific in that, considering the age of people they have studied, different for ethnic groups, not the same.

Tell me animal how is it possible that the average servs i have seen in Kosova ( and they are the tallest servs) is not more than 178 cm, while in general kosovar albanians in sweden are alwasy taller or even tower to servs who live there?

Are mongrels like you causing all this shit?


wall of irrelevant text, which Serboi does not even remotely intend to read.

though if you knew anything, you would know height growth is GENETIC related.Therefore sheeptar negroid ev13 cannot grow by default.

Serboi does not care about your cocktail bastardized race.

You are a swarthy gypsy serv of aromanian background who swarthifies Bosnia with your gypsy genes, you have nothing to do with servoi or what the fuck they are called, but on the other hand, nothing to be proud if you are servoi, servoi were some gypsy dwarfs from pakistan, who mixed with slavs during their trip, raped by Avars and turkic tribes and than allowed to settle as slaves and cannon fodder in balkans by the Byzantine Empire.


Also weak gypsy, answer me, why are always servian dogs beaten the shit out of them in every match against Albanians???

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?170843-Serbs-beaten-like-dogs-by-Albanians

[Kastrioti1443]

Why should we read pseudoscientist like Coon? Modern science and genetics denied his observations.

In mainstream academic circles pseudoscientific ideas about racial typologies had been rejected long time ago. How work of the pseudoscientists that described "races" looked like. First, they found people with a certain phenotype. After that, they were looking for people that look similar. Finally, they stated that certain phenotype is dominant in certain area, although only 5, 10 or 20% people fit the description of that "race". It is quite normal that people in a particular area resemble each other. They are distant cousins, because the birth rate in the past was high.

Balkan highlanders is tall persons due to several reasons.

Their nutrition was based on milk. The birth rate was high; mortality was high. Only the strongest survived. Therefore, there were a lot of people that resemble each other. Prominent nose is very often a sign of high level of testosterone. Testosterone has influence on bone structure. That is a reason why men's noses are on average larger than women's. It has nothing to do with "race" and genetics.
Albanian tribes Gheg and Tosk have similar genetics, but their phenotypes is diferent because way of living was different.
The term Dinaric is just a geographical term. In scrict sense it is name of the mountain in southern Croatia and in the wider sense it is entire mountain range from Slovenia to northern Albania. People in that region have different phenotypes and certainly they dont belong to the same "race". Even if that "race" exists, the name is not well chosen.

Should we take into account the opinion of a villager like you, rather than someone like Coon, who spent 40 years of his life to Anthropology?

Coon might have been wrong about some things, however he spent, not 1 month, or 1 year, but 10 years studying different nations in Europe so he is a good reference.

Nevertheless, for Albanians at least he is worth mentioning in terms of measurements at least, because he spent 8 months studying Albanian Highlanders and took datas and meassurements from more than 1,200 of them, in a population of less than 400,000.

We can also take into consideration Edith Durham and another french anthropologist who studied different balkanic populations for more than 15 months.

[Exotica]

I think this mainly applies to Southern Italians. I know Montenegrins are among the tallest in Europe, and they're considered Southern, albeit South Eastern Europeans.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

IDK but the Irish are even shorter...

[The Last Emperor]

Croatia : 182.5 cm
Montenegro : 182. 8 cm
There is no data of Bosnia but i believe that Bosnia have biggest avreage height in balkan.We could say that does countries are located in southern europe and they have avreage height bigger than any nordic country.Reason why north europeans have above avreage height is becouse they have better lifestyle.Look at avreage height of netherland back in 50 years ago.They were been shortest people among all germanic nations and today they are tallest becouse of better lifestyle while western balkans was always tall people

[Faklon]

This looks like a study of the early 20th century or late 19th. In those years, for general reasons only Tosks were studied and taken official measurements , so those albos studied there are Tosks. Coon wasn't wrong about creatn highlanders when he mentioned their height.

What is the name of the study, the author, year and the number of individuals studied for each nation?


The number is there(140).

I took the passage from here (http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/2331725?uid=3738128&uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=4&sid=21106462389961),1920 but the numbers must be earlier.He mentions Albanians to have been measure by Haberlandt and Lebzelter and to have come from a large area.

[Cristiano viejo]

I love the Swedish, Norwegian, German, British, Dutch and Finnish basketball teams, every year they win all the championships.
In the other hand we Southerners the Gnomes dont win a fucking shit.

[Golden_Eagle]

I am 1 80 :noidea:

Sure... everyone adds to their height on the internet.

[Golden_Eagle]

Also, protein is NOT difficult to come by. I seriously doubt any Southern Euros are suffering from a a lack of protein in their diet. The height is clearly genetic, as they tend to have a high standard of living.

What about the consumption of calcium?

[Cristiano viejo]

Sure... everyone adds to their height on the internet.

Oh of course, 1 80 means a giant :rolleyes:
Please, why do you surprise with such measure?

[Hadouken]

trololololol

there is something called "medium" too you know ...Dutch etc. are TALL people ....southern europeans are not short but medium/normal

besides of that you will also find shorter northerners and taller southerners etc. blib bla blub

[Golden_Eagle]

Oh of course, 1 80 means a giant :rolleyes:
Please, why do you surprise with such measure?

I'm 1,80cm. I have come across Spaniards and they were all dwarfs.

[Cristiano viejo]

I'm 1,80cm. I have come across Spaniards and they were all dwarfs.

Yes, there are not Spaniards of 1 80 in the life :lol:
Good luck for the Swedish national team of basket... oh wait, they dont play :laugh:
Wht retard.

[ÁGUIA]

Oh of course, 1 80 means a giant :rolleyes:
Please, why do you surprise with such measure?

You are Spaniard so you have too be short :laugh2: I'm Portuguese so i have to be a dwarf, but i'm a 184 cm dwarf!:laugh2:

[Imamudin]

Because the sun made them shrunk.

[Cristiano viejo]

You are Spaniard so you have too be short :laugh2: I'm Portuguese so i have to be a midget, but i'm a 184 cm midget!:laugh2:
Oh My God, a Portuguese of 1 84! This Nordick dwarf will not believe it! It is impossible heheeh
:laugh:

[Queen B]

I'm a Greek dwarf female of 175. I think PFP is as short as me, too.

[Cuore di Tenebra]

I'm Italian and i'm 183 cm:p

[Insuperable]

What about the consumption of calcium?

Indeed. Consumption or absorption?

People with dark skin should be 20-30 times more exposed to the sun to get the same amount of vitamin D. Sufficient levels of vitamin D are crucial for calcium absorption in the body. Without vitamin D our body can not absorb calcium. Vitamin D prevents osteoporosis, depression, prostate cancer, breast cancer, affect diabetes and obesity.

[Antimage]

Northerners being tall and southerners being dwarf is just an urban legend. In fact there's barely a difference.

Greece avarage avarage male height 178 cm(same as Belgium)

Germany, Finland, Sweden 180 cm

France 175 cm

Italy 177 cm

Spain 175 cm

and then we have Serbia and Croatia that are as tall as northerners

So it's jsut another stupid stereotype, every study I read showed that ther's almost no difference, in one study Spain was 1.78 m and Sweden was 1.81. Whoa spaniards are such dwarves

[Demon Revival]

Gravity in their countries is slightly higher, which somewhat inhibits their vertical expansion.

[GiCa]

The people from the dinaric alps are an exceptions as they are the talked in Europe (Bosnia ecc)
I was there an all the people I saw were very tall

Otherwise it seems it correlates with latitude in europe,. It s a mistery..
As for examples blacks (who live the southwest o humans) can be very tall

[GiCa]

I'm a Greek dwarf female of 175. I think PFP is as short as me, too.

When I visited Greece I found Greeks surprisingly taller and more havey built than us italians

[Raikaswinþs]

thr onlynones that stick out are dutch and some pocketd in the balcans.m

Swedes, Spaniards, Brits and French are all pretty much the same , with an error of one inch or less.


Pockets in Portugal and again Balcans also have the shortest populations, but again the maxmdifference woukd be between portuguese at 174cm and dutch at 183cm . that's 9cm or 3 inches for the widedt extremes of europe. 3 inches. still not eniugh to be considered a major difference in cline.


Not even east asians are different enough in body size/frame. A bit shorter on average than west eurasians butbstill all within comparable sixes.

trully gargantuam or miniature humans groups arent found among the eurasiam cline.

they are rare in general, even considering other clines.

[Queen B]

When I visited Greece I found Greeks surprisingly taller and more havey built than us italians
The heavy built its because of the food :rotfl: . Most likely is fat !! :lol:

The Italians I have seen are tourists here (haven't visit Italy, I mean), and are on average shorter, yes.

thr onlynones that stick out are dutch and some pocketd in the balcans.m

I was working in Greek airports in the past, so I was seeing thousands of europeans every day.

The only group that literally stands out are the Dutch, with a notable difference in both males and females.
The average on Scandos were also a couple of cms, but the rest of Europeans were pretty much the same with us.

[Cuore di Tenebra]

Curious is the fact that the greeks that i've seen in my life (tourists) were on average the same or shorter than italians. Italy has Sardinia who lowers the national average height, in fact in central and north parts of Italy people can be very tall

[wvwvw]

Although the Mediterranean diet is healthier, it lacks the needed protein for optimal growth. Could it be that people are taller now because they eat more meat?

[askra]

Curious is the fact that the greeks that i've seen in my life (tourists) were on average the same or shorter than italians. Italy has Sardinia who lowers the national average height, in fact in central and north parts of Italy people can be very tall

You italians are usual to write every kind of bullshits about Sardinia, or posting anthropometric datas and surveys realised 40 or even 100 years ago. Sardinia is currently the region in Italy with the highest increment of stature of population, this is due to the eradication of malaria 65 years ago.
North western and central italians are very short, and the 2.3 % of italian population can't change the average of 60million of people.
Only in Friuli Venezia Giulia (North East Italy) the male population reach an average of 1.77 cm according to the last survey realised on conscripted soldiers born in 1978.

[wvwvw]

Curious is the fact that the greeks that i've seen in my life (tourists) were on average the same or shorter than italians. Italy has Sardinia who lowers the national average height, in fact in central and north parts of Italy people can be very tall

We have both short and tall people. Some Greeks of the older generation look like midgets while others are very tall. Differences in height all across Southern Europe are minimal, you begin to notice a difference in Serbia and Croatia and then in Netherlands, Northern Germany and Scandinavia.

[Cuore di Tenebra]

You italians are usual to write every kind of bullshits about Sardinia, or posting anthropometric datas and surveys realised 40 or even 100 years ago. Sardinia is currently the region in Italy with the highest increment of stature of population, this is due to the eradication of malaria 65 years ago.
North western and central italians are very short, and the 2.3 % of italian population can't change the average of 60million of people.
Only in Friuli Venezia Giulia (North East Italy) the male population reach an average of 1.77 cm according to the last survey realised on conscripted soldiers born in 1978.

Yes, it's true sardinians have had the highest increment of stature in the last century, but there is still a huge difference with mainlanders, especially those from the center and north Italy

[wvwvw]

I love the Swedish, Norwegian, German, British, Dutch and Finnish basketball teams, every year they win all the championships.
In the other hand we Southerners the Gnomes dont win a fucking shit.

Basket is a nigger sport and S.Europeans are closer to niggers than Scandinavians are.

So they prefer more 'white' sports..like hockey xD

[askra]

Yes, it's true sardinians have had the highest increment of stature in the last century, but there is still a huge difference with mainlanders, especially those from the center and north Italy

Huge overlap? absolutely not true, because today (XXI century), the overlap regarding stature among italian regions doesn't exist anymore or it's very low. 20 years old people here today have more or less the same stature of any italian with same age.

http://archiviostorico.corriere.it/2007/maggio/13/Diventeremo_quasi_vichinghi_Italiani_piu_co_9_0705 13090.shtml



Non si possono stabilire le nostre potenzialità - resta sulle generali Lorenzo Lughetti, pediatra all' università di Modena -. È sicuro però che esiste un ampio margine di miglioramento. I giovani del sud crescono a un ritmo maggiore rispetto ai coetanei del nord». I meridionali nell' ultimo quinquennio hanno guadagnato 2,5 centimetri contro la media di 1,6 del resto della popolazione. Entro la prossima decade si dovrebbe ottenere la scomparsa delle differenze geografiche, della penisola tagliata in due. I più veloci nel recuperare l' altezza mai avuta? I sardi, un tempo noti anche per la loro statura non elevata.

(13 maggio 2007) - Corriere della Sera




Young people of the south are growing at a faster rate than their peers in the north. "Southerners in 'last five years have gained 2.5 cm against the average of 1.6 in the rest of the population. Within the next decade is expected to get the disappearance of geographical differences. The fastest to recover the 'height never had? The Sardinians, once also known for their not tall stature.

2007

[Cristiano viejo]

Basket is a nigger sport and S.Europeans are closer to niggers than Scandinavians are.

So they prefer more 'white' sports..like hockey xD

The only nigger sport in the world is the hunt of lions.

[Cuore di Tenebra]

Huge overlap? absolutely not true, because today (XXI century), the overlap regarding stature among italian regions doesn't exist anymore or it's very low. 20 years old people here today have more or less the same stature of any italian with same age.

http://archiviostorico.corriere.it/2007/maggio/13/Diventeremo_quasi_vichinghi_Italiani_piu_co_9_0705 13090.shtml

Ma dai, adesso senza farne una guerra, non puoi venirmi a dire che i sardi sono alti quanto gli altri italiani, è un dato di fatto, io stesso quando sono stato in Sardegna ho visto l'altezza media dei sardi ed era quella che è...

[glicine max]

I have met many Italians and all of them were shorter than me. I'm 1.80m tall.
don't talk nonsense I'am 1,78-79 and I feel like a dwarf amongst our teeenagers

[Bagot]

Northerners being tall and southerners being dwarf is just an urban legend. In fact there's barely a difference.

Greece avarage avarage male height 178 cm(same as Belgium)

Germany, Finland, Sweden 180 cm

France 175 cm

Italy 177 cm

Spain 175 cm

and then we have Serbia and Croatia that are as tall as northerners

So it's jsut another stupid stereotype, every study I read showed that ther's almost no difference, in one study Spain was 1.78 m and Sweden was 1.81. Whoa spaniards are such dwarves

Yes, there is not a real difference between southern and central Europeans. A bigger difference is with northern Europeans, and not even all.

[Cuore di Tenebra]

don't talk nonsense I'am 1,78-79 and I feel like a dwarf amongst our teeenagers

Yeah it's true, i'm 1.83m but i feel taller just than the elders, i see everytime a lot of young men or teens a lot taller than me:laugh2:

[Kastrioti1443]

We have both short and tall people. Some Greeks of the older generation look like midgets while others are very tall. Differences in height all across Southern Europe are minimal, you begin to notice a difference in Serbia and Croatia and then in Netherlands, Northern Germany and Scandinavia.

Lol, servs are brown disfigured mongrels, do not believe bullshits on the internet. In balkans you will notice considerable increase in height in hercegovina, parts of dalmatia, and far northern albania, parts of montenegro and kosovo. Dutch, northern germans, czechs and austrians are pretty tall too.

[Journeyman26]

We do tend to be shorter than northerners.. just how it is. Nothing to get butt hurt over. Plenty of Africans regions have averages even taller than northerners.

I am 1.8m (5'11), and I toured Germany for a month a couple years back... plenty of girls were my height haha.

[Norman]

No woods, no oxygen.

[Antimage]

Lol, servs are brown disfigured mongrels, do not believe bullshits on the internet. In balkans you will notice considerable increase in height in hercegovina, parts of dalmatia, and far northern albania, parts of montenegro and kosovo. Dutch, northern germans, czechs and austrians are pretty tall too.

Differences between northerners' height and southerners' height exist but it's not as big as some people say and there a lot of exceptions

http://www.interbasket.net/forums/showthread.php?9287-Average-Male-Height-By-Country-Updated-(official-data)Scientific-research

Russia is among the shorter european countries

Serbia, Croatia, Slovenia, Slovakia taller than Finland

Greece taller than UK etc etc, look at the link I pasted above.

So saying southerners are short and northerners are tall is over generalization and often notr true at all.

[Golden_Eagle]

We do tend to be shorter than northerners.. just how it is. Nothing to get butt hurt over. Plenty of Africans regions have averages even taller than northerners.

I am 1.8m (5'11), and I toured Germany for a month a couple years back... plenty of girls were my height haha.

Finally, a southerners that tells it like it is.

[The Destroyer]

Depends on who you consider southern Europeans. If you count Bosniaks as those, then your argument is invalid:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-jnXZVIz2YfY/U-t7VAqC_JI/AAAAAAAABLs/n_aAE2myfp8/w350-h342-no/Euro_stature_small.png

[Mens-Sarda]

simple genetic adaptation, the mediterranean area for about 3000 years was plagued by malaria, the genetic adaptation to better resist to the illness is the short stature, when malaria was erased from north mediterranean regions about 60 years ago the average height started to grow every year, the younger generations are every year much taller than the previous generations

[Antimage]

Depends on who you consider southern Europeans. If you count Bosniaks as those, then your argument is invalid:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-jnXZVIz2YfY/U-t7VAqC_JI/AAAAAAAABLs/n_aAE2myfp8/w350-h342-no/Euro_stature_small.png

according to that map height don't collerate with latitude at all

[The Destroyer]

according to that map height don't collerate with latitude at all

Well, height is more determined by what you genetically inherit from your ancestors than what geographical conditions you live in. The latter does affect your height (and thus your children's genetics), but does so in a very slow and insignificant way.

[Murri]

Albanians from Montenegro are very tall of stature in general and Montenegrin are not taller than us, in many cases shorter..Albanians from Kosovo are quite tall too.... the Preka/Gjelaj expansion derivated clans are VERY tall, they are even taller than us and Montenegrin and your average Serb.

Hercegovinians are tall because, the region in the past used to be called Chelmania( Kelmendia) with it's center in Nikshi(modern day Nikshiq) and Nikshi is one of the five great brotherhoods of Kelmendi, the tallest Albanian clan that produced such giants like Prek Cali, Fran Pal Leka, Leke Marash Gjoni etc..Kelmania inhabitants were described as semi-barbarians who often conducted raids on Slavic ran and Venetian ran coastal cities like Ragusa, Split, Kotorre etc..

Here is one interesting piece of evidence for giant Albanian clans in Chelmania(Herzegovina now):"
"proconsulis et patricii Michaelis Busebutze Zachlumorum principis filii".

Zachlumia( Kelmenia) is ran by a non Slavic barbarian lord named Michael Buze-Buca( Snake lips) in Albanian

The Kelmenis and the Albanians that arrived from the areas of the North speak a different Gheg dialect and has some different words from us!

[Cristiano viejo]

I am seeing the super-tall Dutch, Germany, Norwegian, Swedish and Finnish basketball national teams in the semis of the Eurobasket. (4 of them ofc xD)
Oh wait, that it is are Spain, Serbia, Francia and maybe Italy.

[EL_BARBARO]

Yo alucino con tanto beaucoup de tonto

que edad tendran? quince? dieciseis?

[Shqipez]

of course they are filthy sheeptar.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?161026-The-quot-Highlanders-quot

very subhuman sub-165cm height.




The Tosks have often been described as shorter, less slender and described as being of a darker Mediterranean type having a darker skin color than the Ghegs.[20] The Tosks have smaller noses and rounder faces than Ghegs.[21] Some claim that this difference has been reduced because of population movement in the period after 1992.[22]


Gegs are tall as fk. coon desribed the same in races of europe, he described the gegs as a dinaric race and tosks as meds, but overlapping happens



At the end of 19th and beginning of 20th century many Albanians migrated to United States and almost all of them were Tosks. There was also substantial migration of Tosks to Greece, particularly its northern part







Tosks abandoned the tribal social organization by the end of 14th century and Ottoman conquest of the territory they lived.[17] Tosks intermarried with non-Albanians more than Ghegs

[baws]

I lived in Norway I live in Kosove now i don't see any height difference tbh i was slightly under average in both places
but if i had to bet my money i would choose Kosove

[Peterski]

many south slavs are dinarized slavs.

Not sure what do you mean by this.

But if you mean, that South Slavs are so tall because they not "original Slavs", then it's not true.

"Original Slavs" were actually described by all sources as very tall people.

Check Byzantine sources describing migration of Slavs to the Balkans (= ancestors of South Slavs):

"The Phenotype of Early Slavs 6th-10th centuries AD" (in Polish; with English summary):

http://www.archeo.uw.edu.pl/swarch/Swiatowit-r2001-t3_%2844%29-nB-s205-212.pdf

Citations about Slavs migrating into the Balkans, describing their height:

1. Procopius of Caesarea:

"(...) Nay further, they [Slavs] don't differ at all from one another in appearance. For they are all exceptionally tall and stalwart men, while their bodies and hair are neither very fair or very blonde, nor indeed do they incline entirely to the dark type, but they are slightly ruddy in color. (...)"

"(...) Valerian chose one of the Slavs who are men of mighty stature. (...)"

2. Theophilact Simokatta:

"(...) The Emperor was with great curiosity listening to stories about this tribe [Slavs], he has welcomed these newcomers from the land of barbarians, and after being amazed by their height and mighty stature, he sent these men to Heraclea. (...)"

3. Theophanes the Confessor:

"(...) The Emperor was admiring their [Slavic] beauty and their stalwart stature. (...)"

4. Caesarius of Nazianzus:

He described Slavs as "numerous and tall", if I'm not mistaken (but I don't have exact quotation at hand).

So it actually fits pretty well with modern pattern:

http://polishgenes.blogspot.com/2014/08/male-height-in-europe.html

[The Destroyer]

Albania alone isn't a represantive. Look at montenegro and Kosovo, the tosks in Albania lower the average height, and the bulgarians in makedonia lower the height there.

I have seen statistics before of Gegs and it showed they were as tall as South Slavs, Scandinavians, dutch ppl etc.. many south slavs and Scandis are short too and not ''stereotypical''

many south slavs are dinarized slavs. tall+tall

in some cases nutrition place a part too.. why else were the dutch europes shortest people 100 years ago and now the tallest, same for Scandis... Albania is still poorer than Bosnia, croatia or Serbia although they come in all top 10 as Europes poorest countries. Albania is still poorer than Kosovo

Basically, we Illyrians are the tallest meta-ethnicity in Europe. And we are southern Europeans. Thus, OP's point = invalid.

[Shqipez]

....

That's not what I meant, I was saying what you are saying almost. I meant they are tall beause they are slavs but also some have been dinarized sine 2000-1400 years ago and some have mingled with the original population. so tall+tall kind of because Dinarics are tall too which are the Gegs described as such by coon in races of europe. the stereotype of Albanians being short is from tosks but short people are still some of the coolest, and ppl care about being the whitest and tallest only on the internet mostly. Kind of ignorant of them (south-slavs) to think they are only illyrians if you ask me, a lot of their ancestry is still mostly slavic and I still see a lot of Baltid heads among them. many people from Bosnia pretty much look like Lithuanians or Belarussians, and the percentage of y-DNA, i2a and r1a are similar. Here is an example, Belarussian Andrei Arlovski would fit into croatia, Bosnia right away:

http://www.graciemag.com/en/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/04_arlovski.jpg


Albanians from montenegro are tall, many Kosovars, especially west, are tall, I would guess the average Albanian height as the same as Norway all in all.

[Shqipez]

Basically, we Illyrians are the tallest meta-ethnicity in Europe. And we are southern Europeans. Thus, OP's point = invalid.

Op is definitely wrong LOL.




The people of the Dinaric Alps are on record as being the tallest in the world, with a male average height of 185.6 cm (6 ft 1.1 in) and a female average height of 171.0 cm (5 ft 7.3 in)






The Dinaric Alps or Dinarides is a mountain chain which spans areas of Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Italy, Kosovo, Montenegro, Serbia and Slovenia




The Dinaric Alps were thrown up in more or less parallel ranges, stretching like necklaces from the Julian Alps as far as the areas of northern Albania and Kosovo,



https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/24/Dinaric_Alps_subdivisions-fr.svg/741px-Dinaric_Alps_subdivisions-fr.svg.png





Ruins of fortresses dot the mountainous landscape, evidence of centuries of war and the refuge the Dinaric Alps have provided to various armed forces. During the Roman period, the Dinarides provided shelter to the Illyrians resisting Roman conquest of the Balkans, which began with the conquest of the eastern Adriatic coast in the 3rd century BC. Rome conquered the whole of Illyria in 168 BC, but these mountains sheltered Illyrian resistance forces for many years until the area's complete subjugation by 14 AD. More recently, the Ottoman Empire failed to fully subjugate the mountainous areas of Montenegro. In the 20th century, too, the mountains provided favourable terrain for guerrilla warfare, with Yugoslav Partisans organising one of the most successful Allied resistance movements of World War II

[Kaplar]

That's the typical Italian that you see over here.

mexicans aren't taller

[Also]

Southern europeans attract more women with their swarthiness and sexy appeal, so in order to not make northeners totally jealous they made them a bit taller to appeal to people's childish instinct of glamourizing size.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

mexicans aren't taller

Hi (edit not a italic rat) noob.

[Kaplar]

Hi (edit not a italic rat) noob.

Why do you spit hate toward my people?Do you like slice of calzone?..

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Why do you spit hate toward my people?Do you like slice of calzone?..

What? what's the fuck matter with you? lol. I know who you are, just don't dude. You know what I mean.

[Kaplar]

What? what's the fuck matter with you? lol. I know who you are, just don't dude. You know what I mean.

well i don't think so..or wait i do but i just do it for whim

[Aodhan]

Which would be a tall stature for you?

[Queen B]

Awwwww, another propaganda research to make those giant Albanians look short :laugh:

[Shqipez]

Awwwww, another propaganda research to make those giant Albanians look short :laugh:

Yeah, lets take a look in coon's races of Europe and examine some balkanites and surrounding regions :thumb001:




The Montenegrins:



The Montenegrins, who are the tallest people in Europe, live on a barren limestone mountain upland, where they, for centuries, succeeded in maintainingnheir Christianity and their freedom while surrounded by the Turks. They, like the northern Albanians, preserve their old exogamous clan organization, and their clan loyalties and feuds. They are linguistically Serbs, but there can be no question that they are to a large extent Slavicized Albanians; the cultural continuity between the two peoples is striking, the only real differences being those of language and religion. Although the Montenegrins are divided geographically into several sections, the racial differences between these are not great, and for the present purpose the Montenegrins will be dealt with as a whole. Where there are regional differences, the Old Montenegrins, who show the most extreme development in typically Montenegrin characters, will be referred to.126







The Montenegrins, after a detailed examination, are seen to be far from typical Dinarics in many features; they are too large-bodied, too large-headed, and too broad-faced; their noses are too frequently broad and thick-tipped. They are also far too rufous for the ordinary Dinaric type. Taking the Montenegrins individually, one finds many who do conform to standard Dinaric specifications, but are all taller than most Dinarics elsewhere; there are also some short, thick-set Alpines, and a minority of tall, brunet dolichocephals or near dolichocephals whom we shall also find farther south in Albania.








The mean stature of adult male Montenegrins reaches the figure of 177 cm., and in some districts it rises to 178 cm







The Albanian Ghegs:





The stature of the Ghegs is extremely variable geographically; the tribes which touch Montenegro have means of 173 cm. and 174 cm.; the northernmost bairaks of Malsia ë Madhë and Dukagin, which lie closest to Old Montenegro, are taller than the southern ones within their own tribes





Dukagjini = West Kosovo, Metohija.

Malsia ë Madhë = North Albania/Montenegro





The height drops as one goes south from there to the height of Serbs, Slovenes and Greeks:





On the south side of the Drin the means fall to 169 cm., and continues to the level of 167 cm. in Mati and Mirdita




The Serbs:





The modern Serbs, like the rest of the Yugoslavs, fall more into the Dinaric racial classification than any other.121 Not as tall as the inhabitants of the mountain chain itself, they attain a national stature mean of about 168 cm., which varies somewhat regionally, reaching the figure of 170 cm







The Greeks:





The stature mean for Greeks in general runs about 167 cm., and there seems to be little regional variation; those in Asia Minor and in the Crimea are a millimeter shorter, those measured in Boston a millimeter taller








Into the peninsula of Greece itself, many thousands of Slavs wandered as immigrants during the maximum South Slavic expansion; the Turks brought colonists, including many Albanians, and whole districts of Boeotia and Attica and of other parts of Greece are today Albanian speaking.

Romance-speaking shepherds, the Vlachs, have also made the slopes of the Pindus their seasonal pastures.






The Slovenes:


The Slovenes,118 who are the westernmost of the southern Slavs, are linguistically closest to the Croats, whom they border on the south and east

In stature, head form, and pigmentation, they cannot be distinguished from the Austrians upon whose territory they touch; their mean height being 168 cm







Bosnia:






Bosnia consists of the six provinces, Bihac, Banjaluka, Tuzla, Travnik, Sarajevo, and Mostar, which lie between western Croatia, Dalmatia, Montenegro, and the Slavonian plain. The southernmost province, Mostar, includes, the territory known as Herzegovina, which lies nearest to Montenegro. The Bosnians serve racially as an approach to the nucleus of Dinaric giantism in Montenegro.122 Tuzla, in the northeast, has a mean stature of 171 cm.; Bihac and Banjaluca, in the northwest, of 172 cm.; in Travnik and parts of Mostar it rises to 173 cm., in Sarajevo to 174 cm., and in Herzegovina to 175-176 cm., approaching the Montenegrin level.






The Croatians:






The Croatians, who, with a mean stature of 170 cm







All these people have increased in height since then but the conclusions remain the same.




Albanian Ghegs and the Dinaric race:






The Dinaric type is characterized by quite light skin, dark hair from dark brown to dark blonde, and a wide range of eye color; tall stature, a brachycephalic skull, long face, a very narrow and prominent nose, sometimes aquiline; a slender body type, and very big feet.





Albanian Racial types according to coon:






(1) A tall, large-headed, brachycephalic, wide-faced type, with intermediate pigmentation, and an especial tendency toward rufosity. This is the Borreby-like type prevalent in Montenegro; in Albania it is almost wholly confined to the tribe of Malsia ë Madhë, and within that tribe is concentrated in the bairak of Gruda.

(2) A medium-statured, brachycephalic, short-faced type, with mixed pigmentation, which is fundamentally Alpine. It is found in all tribes, but is commonest in the refuge area of Mirdita.

(3) A tall, dolichocephalic or mesocephalic type with dark hair and dark brown eyes, a straight nasal profile, and a tendency toward a lesser leptorrhiny than the total group. This is an Atlanto-Mediterranean racial type which is also prevalent in other Balkan countries. It may also be sorted out of available statistical series of Greeks, while it is common in Bulgaria and easily distinguishable among Serbs. It, or a similar type, also occurs with Dinarics in northern Italy and the Tyrol. In northern Albania it is commonest in Malsia Jakovës and Dukagin.

(4) A very strongly differentiated type which is characterized by medium stature, exceptional brachycephaly, great narrowness and convexity of the nose, a high incidence of occipital flattening, and a tendency to light brown eye color in combination with dark brown hair. This type may be called Dinaric in the full or specific sense; most of the other Ghegs are Dinarics in a partial or a general sense. This ultra-Dinaric type is commonest in the tribe of Dibra.

(5) A blond, brachycephalic, convex-nosed Noric, of standard type. It is commonest in Zadrima.

(6) A few light brown-haired Nordics, centered in Luma.







North Albanian Gheg Examples



http://www.malsia.eu/Letersi_Rexhep_Dedushaj_100_vjet_Lufte_Prek_Cali.j pg




Isa Boletini to the left:



http://i.ytimg.com/vi/xXTGGIP50SE/hqdefault.jpg




Albanian Ghegs of Kosovo/Dukagjini to the right standing next to Austro-Hungarians to the left:


http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/1823/94644037127614297758415.png






According to the Dinaric model, Dinarics were to be found in the mountainous areas of Southeast Europe: Croatia, Serbia, Montenegro, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo, Albania, Slovenia, Austria, part of northwestern Bulgaria, and northwestern Republic of Macedonia.




http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/racesofeurope.htm





So according to coon North Albanian Ghegs, Bosnians, and Montenigrins are the tallest people of Europe aka the DINARIc ALPS but the phenomenon itself is not wholy itself based on ''Dinaric racial type'' but is so partially ATLEAST and on average the Dinaric Alps have the tallest people in the world



There is no difference in terms of height between Greeks and Tosks, It's not the first time I have seen you being ignorant and a smart ass.




Ghegs even the southern ones are taller than Greeks on average. Lets not talk about the Northern ones who compete with the Bosnians, and I'm 1.90m which is about 6'3 and many of my relatives are taller than me.


There is no stereotype of Albanians being short in Norway, most are from KS area, and you will hear the opposite from Norwegians in many cases

[wvwvw]

Cretans as tall as the Swiss and Austrians LOL
Stop posting this crapy map

Many Cretans are 2 m tall, I know many tall Cretans. The shortest people in Greece are probably found in Epirus

[Antimage]

Cretans as tall as the Swiss and Austrians LOL
Stop posting this crapy map

why not? autrians are not particularly tall

[JBoscherville]

I didn't notice any difference in height compared to England when I went to Spain and Italy :noidea:

[Queen B]

So according to coon North Albanian Ghegs, Bosnians, and Montenigrins are the tallest people of Europe aka the DINARIc ALPS but the phenomenon itself is not wholy itself based on ''Dinaric racial type'' but is so partially ATLEAST and on average the Dinaric Alps have the tallest people in the world
There is no difference in terms of height between Greeks and Tosks, It's not the first time I have seen you being ignorant and a smart ass.
Ghegs even the southern ones are taller than Greeks on average. Lets not talk about the Northern ones who compete with the Bosnians, and I'm 1.90m which is about 6'3 and many of my relatives are taller than me.
There is no stereotype of Albanians being short in Norway, most are from KS area, and you will hear the opposite from Norwegians in many cases
It seems I hit a nerve :laugh:

You post something that is written 70 years before. You do realize that (average) height isn't like pigmentation, and it depends from factors like malnutrition, and such, right?
Anyway, apart from this, all I see blablabla, about Ghegs, like only Ghegs are Albanians.
There is no single ''scientefic'' reference about Tosks.

Third - and most important , there are reasearches giving the average height by country.

And average height actually measured, not 70 years ago, but the last 5-10 years.

Albania : 20–29 age (N= m:649 f:1,806) - > 174.0 cm (male) ,161.8 cm (female)
http://dhsprogram.com/pubs/pdf/fr230/fr230.pdf

So, even if Ghegs are that kind of giants you say they are, their population in Albania must be way less than Tosks, and Tosks' average must be really short in order to lower the average that much.

[wvwvw]

There is no difference in terms of height between Greeks and Tosks, It's not the first time I have seen you being ignorant and a smart ass.

You mean between Epirotes in Greece and Tosks in Albania, for Albanians are not known for their height in Greece.

Germanics, Scandinavians, and South Slavs stand out, in the rest of Europeans differences in height are unnoticeable-

[Hellenas]

The Greeks:


The stature mean for Greeks in general runs about 167 cm., and there seems to be little regional variation; those in Asia Minor and in the Crimea are a millimeter shorter, those measured in Boston a millimeter taller



Cherry picking?

That's how it continues:


The Greeks are as tall as most South Germans or northern Frenchmen;


And what those very tall Ghegs ever did, any civilization, any Empire, nope, nothing, your a tall nothing as well.

[Shqipez]

It seems I hit a nerve :laugh:

You post something that is written 70 years before. You do realize that (average) height isn't like pigmentation, and it depends from factors like malnutrition, and such, right?
Anyway, apart from this, all I see blablabla, about Ghegs, like only Ghegs are Albanians.
There is no single ''scientefic'' reference about Tosks.

Third - and most important , there are reasearches giving the average height by country.

And average height actually measured, not 70 years ago, but the last 5-10 years.

Albania : 20–29 age (N= m:649 f:1,806) - > 174.0 cm (male) ,161.8 cm (female)
http://dhsprogram.com/pubs/pdf/fr230/fr230.pdf

So, even if Ghegs are that kind of giants you say they are, their population in Albania must be way less than Tosks, and Tosks' average must be really short in order to lower the average that much.

Albania isn't a represantive alone, the tallest Ghegs are found OUTSIDE ALBANIA, read again and are called NORTH GHEGS. they are found in montenegro = malsia e madhe and west Kosovo/Dukagjini/metohija. together this is close to ''old montenegro'' and are on average some of the tallest ppl in Europe as demonstrated by coon 70 years ago and even to this day height has increased with better nutrition meanwhile you're using statistics for ''Albania'' where the south ghegs there are shorter but taller than tosks and greeks in some regions of the north.

[Shqipez]

Cherry picking?

That's how it continues:




And what those very tall Ghegs ever did, any civilization, any Empire, nope, nothing, your a tall nothing as well.

You ain't done shit either then stop taking pride in what other greeks did. what Cherry picking ? the height is still 1.67 and what do you really know about what ''tall ghegs'' did or didn't do just stick to the topic, kido.

[Shqipez]

You mean between Epirotes in Greece and Tosks in Albania, for Albanians are not known for their height in Greece.

Germanics, Scandinavians, and South Slavs stand out, in the rest of Europeans differences in height are unnoticeable-

There are no stereotypes of us Kosovars being short in Norway. quite the opposite actually

[wvwvw]

You ain't done shit either stop taking pride in what other greeks did. what Cherry picking ?

Rather it is Albanians who are taking pride in talking shit about other people.

[Queen B]

You ain't done shit either stop taking pride in what other greeks did. what Cherry picking ? the height is still 1.67
The average measured Greek height, in 2006, was 178.06 cm .

For the Albanian, see my previous post.

[Shqipez]

The average measured Greek height, in 2006, was 178.06 cm .

For the Albanian, see my previous post.

See my previous post too. It was noticed by coon the difference in height differing between Albanians from Albania and west Kosovars/montenegro Albanians but internet greeks disputing it :D montenigrin Albanians and Dukagjini/West Kosovars are as tall as Bosnians and taller than Serbs and Greeks. I speak from self experience and I'm from there close by and coon said the same 70 years ago ^ and by now the height has increased too. A lot of things he said has been today confirmed genetically, especially about montenigrins being slavicized Albanians.

And even within ghegs you can break it down into groups and within tosks too.


Rather it is Albanians who are taking pride in talking shit about other people.

Nah, that's you. Spreading so much false facts. you're all a bunch of retards who think we all hail from Albania, meanwhile we have tribes who trace their ancestry to Bosnia as murri said in an earlier post here

[Hellenas]

You ain't done shit either then stop taking pride in what other greeks did.

These is what our ancestors did, the first European civilizations as well as the Eastern Roman Empire.


what Cherry picking ?

You include only the first part, you Albanian hypocrite.


the height is still 1.67

Yeah, yeah...



The average measured Greek height, in 2006, was 178.06 cm .




and what do you really know about what ''tall ghegs'' did or didn't do just stick to the topic, kido.

Ha, ha, ha, you were always a big/tall nothing= Zero.

[Shqipez]

These is what our ancestors did, the first European civilizations as well as the Eastern Roman Empire.



You include only the first part, you Albanian hypocrite.



Yeah, yeah...






Ha, ha, ha, you were always a big/tall nothing= Zero.


the average greek height was 1.67 during coons time, never said it was today. but montenigrins, bosnians and albanians of montengro and west kosovo were almost the same average height in coons time as greeks were in 2006. now imagine how much taller they are today as Europeans have increased in stature since coons time. And Albanians from montenegro and west Kosovo would probably have the same average height today as Bosnians today. During coons time Albanians of montenegro and west kosovo were taller than Serbs, today Serbs are 1.80 or something, think about that.

in Albania average height was 1.69-1.67 among the Ghegs there during coons time and today is 1.77 in whole Albania, this average height is higher among Albanians of montenegro and west Kosovo than that of Albania or Greece.

Thats not called being a hypocrite it said greeks are on average 1.67 and as tall as south Germans, which was 1.67 then at that time for both populations how else can they be as tall, use your brain please.


Wasting time with braindead people here.

[Profileid]

I assumed it had something to do with hotter climates. Easier to let the heat escape.

[Hellenas]

Thats not called being a hypocrite it said greeks are on average 1.67 and as tall as south Germans, which was 1.67 then at that time for both populations how else can they be as tall, use your brain please.


Wasting time with braindead people here.

Please moron, you included only the first part about Greeks from Coon without including the second part, that's what I call hypocrisy.

And if northern Albanians are taller than Greeks, what does this prove, they are better than Greeks? Lol, Ghegs always were a big nothing, you are insignificant in the human history even being tall.:thumbs up

Africans are tall too, what does this proves, nothing.

[Kastrioti1443]

Please moron, you included only the first part about Greeks from Coon without including the second part, that's what I call hypocrisy.

And if northern Albanians are taller than Greeks, what does this prove, they are better than Greeks? Lol, Ghegs always were a big nothing, you are insignificant in the human history even being tall.:thumbs up

Africans are tall too, what does this proves, nothing.
Again this subhuman hairy mongrel neo mongrel grrek talking about significance in history. What significance does a gypsy like and mongrels that you belong too have???

Ghegs are 5 million today with much more glory than mongrels like you.

[wvwvw]

I didn't notice any difference in height compared to England when I went to Spain and Italy :noidea:

You did not? :eek:

http://img.youtube.com/vi/M0Ni9DLanmc/0.jpg

[Hellenas]

Again this subhuman hairy mongrel neo mongrel grrek talking about significance in history. What significance does a gypsy like and mongrels that you belong too have???

Ghegs are 5 million today with much more glory than mongrels like you.

I reported your post straight to Loki.:bored:

[wvwvw]

Again this subhuman hairy mongrel neo mongrel grrek talking about significance in history. What significance does a gypsy like and mongrels that you belong too have???

Ghegs are 5 million today with much more glory than mongrels like you.

http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/memes/gtfo-meme-smiley-emoticon.png (http://www.sherv.net/)

[Shqipez]

Please moron, you included only the first part about Greeks from Coon without including the second part, that's what I call hypocrisy.

And if northern Albanians are taller than Greeks, what does this prove, they are better than Greeks? Lol, Ghegs always were a big nothing, you are insignificant in the human history even being tall.:thumbs up

Africans are tall too, what does this proves, nothing.


Of course they are taller than Greeks, they are on average some of europes tallest people.


I included Greek height only to make a point. Why would I include anything else really?





The mean stature of the French is about 166 cm.,3 which is neither tall nor short, but intermediate in relationship to other European peoples.






In the northeast, in the taller region, there are stature modes of 164 and 168 cm



That's what it says about the French height. at that time this was considered normal, but I didn't really need to include this seeing as Bosnians, Albanian Ghegs and montenigrins with their 1.71-1.77 were considered the tallest and it is my opinion that they still are today the tallest individuals. Greeks, French and south Germans at that time were of similar height (that's why it says ''as tall as french and south germans'') and still are. Why would I include this? Should I also include where it says the Tosks are similar to the french,



It is my opinion that the Toscs, in pigmentation as well as in bodily and facial characters, resemble the southern and central French very closely; that they and the French form the two ends of the Alpine racial area in Europe, the center of which is largely taken up by the Dinaric amalgam





The only adequate anthropometric data extant which deals with the Toscs is a series from southwestern Albania, from the town of Gjinokastër and its neighborhood.129 These Aginocastrians are on the short side of medium in stature, with a mean of 164 cm





How about I copy paste in here every single chapter? how is this hypocrisy. most Albanians in greece and many in USA are tosks, this ''short'' stereotype in places of Europe where the Ghegs prevail is not common at all. And I don't think Greeks are much taller than Tosks on average, honestly.

Just like there are Dinarid tosks there are also short and stocky alpinid Ghegs too, overlaps happen, the average is what matters here




Beside the Alpines, there are many Dinarics in southern Albania, but they probably form a minority, and in any case are extremely variable. In Albania it is very easy to distinguish a Gheg; they have a racial hall-mark which is hard to define and easy to recognize; the Toscs are much less homogeneous, and in America they pass for the most part unnoticed in the general racial hodge-podge. Most Bostonians, who possibly see fifty to one hundred Toscs in a week, are unaware of their presence, while they have definite ideas, formed upon first sight, as to who is an Italian, an Armenian, or a Jew

[Hellenas]

Of course they are taller than Greeks, they are on average some of europes tallest people.


I included Greek height only to make a point. Why would I include anything else really?

Who cares how tall you are? Compared to all other people you are a nothing, you never contributed anything to the human civilization, you are a completely insignificant population, a great zero. The only thing you have there are tall Ghegs, but to me "Hey we are tall, we have tall Ghegs" sounds hilarious, like having tall africans banding "We are tall, we are something", well, both tall Albanians and tall Africans are a big nothing to me.:bored:

Please, don't tell me Ghegs are more superior compared to:

Short Socrates

http://media-1.web.britannica.com/eb-media/69/75569-004-3B260631.jpg

And short Alexander the Great

http://blogoup.electricstudiolt.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Alexander-the-Great.jpg

[Cleitus]

Who cares how tall you are? Compared to all other people you are a nothing, you never contributed anything to the human civilization, you are a completely insignificant population, a great zero. The only thing you have there are tall Ghegs, but to me "Hey we are tall, we have tall Ghegs" sounds hilarious, like having tall africans banding "We are tall, we are something", well, both tall Albanians and tall Africans are a big nothing to me.:bored:

Theres no human society, and second you are as ancient greek as any western Turk.

[Alessio]

Because pizza ovens are easier to use when you're small, so southern Italian women selected primarily on small men, so that eventually they could make the best pizza's in all of Italy!

[Hellenas]

Theres no human society, and second you are as ancient greek as any western Turk.

I am a descendant of ancient Greeks because most Greeks are(by the way, I don't have any Arvanite, Vlach, Slavophone, Turkophone ancestor, all of my ancestors were Greek speaking, like with most of Greeks).

Western Turks are not all descendants of ancient Greeks, some yes. Western Turks are only partly descendants of ancient Greeks.

By the way I look stereotypically ancient Greek, some of my friends and people I know have likened me to Leonidas and Achilles and I don't lie.:)

[Sideritis]

I am a descendant of ancient Greeks because most Greeks are(by the way, I don't have any Arvanite, Vlach, Slavophone, Turkophone ancestor, all of my ancestors were Greek speaking, like with most of Greeks).

Western Turks are not all descendants of ancient Greeks, some yes. Western Turks are only partly descendants of ancient Greeks.

By the way I look stereotypically ancient Greek, some of my friends and people I know have likened me to Leonidas and Achilles and I don't lie.:)

That sounds very interesting. Care to be classified, so we can have a look at you? :)

[Hellenas]

That sounds very interesting. Care to be classified, so we can have a look at you? :)

I don't care to have any classification by Albanians, Fyromians, Turks, Nordicists and other 15 to 20 years old kids or trolls who don't have any education on physical anthropology and ancient Greek looks, I only care what my friends, people I know and family says about me. So no photo by me, just imagine how I look like by the avatars I use.

I have also make a lot of enemies 'cause of internet, so I don't want to reveal my identity.

[King Niko]

DANNY DEVITO IS MY FUCKING HERO!!!

"Its always sunny in Philadelphia"

one of the best shows...

Dave Chappelle I must say is the funniest of all though...

Where I have seen, it seems that only spanish people are small, I am taller then all the germans and swedes and norwegians around me..

[King Niko]

I don't care to have any classification by Albanians, Fyromians, Turks, Nordicists and other 15 to 20 years old kids or trolls who don't have any education on physical anthropology and ancient Greek looks, I only care what my friends, people I know and family says about me. So no photo by me, just imagine how I look like by the avatars I use.

I have also make a lot of enemies 'cause of internet, so I don't want to reveal my identity.

What a bitch.

[Sideritis]

I don't care to have any classification by Albanians, Fyromians, Turks, Nordicists and other 15 to 20 years old kids or trolls who don't have any education on physical anthropology and ancient Greek looks, I only care what my friends, people I know and family says about me. So no photo by me, just imagine how I look like by the avatars I use.

I have also make a lot of enemies 'cause of internet, so I don't want to reveal my identity.

Ah Ok. That is not reliable for us to believe though. The avatar from your picture looks like the character from where Jafar from Aladdin has been inspired from.:shrug:
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/b_82jrb-GbI/hqdefault.jpg

[Hellenas]

What a bitch.

I will report you for insulting kid.

[King Niko]

I will report you for insulting kid.

Do it. You wont.

You are being a bitch. I aint calling you a bitch, I am saying your act is a bitch act.

But report me, DO IT!

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/1YSN-f3rcZM/maxresdefault.jpg

[Hellenas]

Ah Ok. That is not reliable for us to believe though. The avatar from your picture looks like inspiration character of Jafar from Aladdin, though.:shrug:
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/b_82jrb-GbI/hqdefault.jpg

Yes, yes I know, very similar you Albanian troll...

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/12/29/1293650817649/Israeli-Arabs-chant-Islam-007.jpg

http://arabface.us/images/arab-street.jpg

http://en.dailypakistan.com.pk/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Arabs.jpg

The man from my avatar

http://www.taxydromos.gr/data/news/13321556061072879508.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_KCuHoU9QBUU/TNpzVStNK5I/AAAAAAAAq70/_bJn7ekD1mg/s1600/KK.bmp

https://fbcdn-photos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xat1/v/t1.0-0/s526x395/10857932_800205820050028_5843072831018667922_n.jpg ?oh=41034e9a36a8fe85ccdd11388de46c88&oe=56667958&__gda__=1450324516_033e779c81648e36ce1cb092cf608a5 3

http://www.espressonews.gr/sites/default/files/oldarticles/vastardis4.jpg


More "Aladdins" and Jafars" here: http://www.theoi.com/Encyc_A.html


Ah Ok. That is not reliable for us to believe though.

Who cares, I don't give a shit what the 3rd world Albanians will ever believe, Lol.

It's funny calling us Arabs... who... the Albanians... Don't you have anything better to do Albanians than trolling us about our ancestry and race? Probably not.

[Kastrioti1443]

Albanians are the Fathers of modern Greece. The Orthodox revolution of 1821 was an Albanian civil war between the medieval Orthodox Albanians that conquered Athens, beotia, Peloponnese And Corinth in 1300s and the Albanian rulers of Egypt that went there to crush the revolt.

The world will know about this.

Hellenas is a hairy mongrel unibrow neo grrek that descends from slaves and tens of nations baptised as neo grrrrk by the church.

[meisje]

........

[Raikaswinþs]

we have at least one tall guy

https://i.gyazo.com/b1056b5ea6a587272d5f927fdecee6cc.gif[

OH BURN!!!

[Kastrioti1443]

Why this sick Psycho still not banned?

Only sick Minded Albanian Friends take serious this Schizoid:picard1:

What I mentioned are facts that will be proven very soon.

[Hellenas]

Why this sick Psycho still not banned?

Only sick Minded Albanian Friends take serious this Schizoid:picard1:

Ha, ha, ha... it seems someone here likes him.

An advice: Whenever someone insults and trolls report him, there is to each post a pyramoid button down to the left "Report Post", don't hesitate, press it!

Let's make this forum more serious.

[meisje]

.......

[Kastrioti1443]

Ha, ha, ha... it seems someone here likes him.

An advice: Whenever someone insults and trolls report him, there is to each post a pyramoid button down to the left "Report Post", don't hesitate, press it!

Let's make this forum more serious.

The world will know you are gypsies and that albos created your Nation in 1831. You can bet on that.

[Hellenas]

The world will know you are gypsies and that albos created your Nation in 1831. You can bet on that.

I can only bet that very soon you will be banned for another one time.:thumbs up

[Beit El]

Because just like Jews they originally started as rats. We northern Übermenschen descended from 2 meters tall albino-Nordid space aliens.

[Charles Bronson]

They fucked with midget and become the Balkan.

[XvThomas_LysergicV]

I agree that the majority of Southern Europeans are shorter than Northerners on average but I didn't think overall,Southern Europeans were that short. Average heights vary in every Southern European country. Some are more likely to be taller than others. I wouldn't have used Danny Devito as an example though. I doubt 5'0 is the average height for men in any Southern Euro country. Its not like a Northern European man can't be that short. I've seen some who were.

[de Burgh II]

It depends on individual genetics. They have Atlanto-Meds, Atantids, Dinarids, Alpine,etc. Italians can be quite tall in their own right. Everything boils down to your genetics.

[Amor Vincit Omnia]

who said Albanians are tall ? for what I know this is absolutely false ...in opposite it same they re a little shorter than other south europeans

[Amor Vincit Omnia]

Albanians average height is 174cm , is it that tall ?

[Scholarios]

I don't care to have any classification by Albanians, Fyromians, Turks, Nordicists and other 15 to 20 years old kids or trolls who don't have any education on physical anthropology and ancient Greek looks, I only care what my friends, people I know and family says about me. So no photo by me, just imagine how I look like by the avatars I use.

I have also make a lot of enemies 'cause of internet, so I don't want to reveal my identity.

Come on, no Greeks here will bother you if you post a pic for serious classification. I for one would gain some respect for you. Then I can say for sure you are Arvanite seed or not.

[Merida]

It depends on individual genetics. They have Atlanto-Meds, Atantids, Dinarids, Alpine,etc. Italians can be quite tall in their own right. Everything boils down to your genetics.

This.


Plus, choosing Danny DeVito as an example is a bit off, imo :p. That's not the average Southern European. He is VERY short.

[Brianna]

Uma Thurman dwarfs Ariana Grande, so this is incontrovertible scientific proof that all people, of northern European descent, are taller than all people, of southern European descent. Period! Close the thread now.

[Amor Vincit Omnia]

Arnold Schwarzenegger is Austrian , it mean from Austria ....a central European country ....that confin at south with Italy ...and it is far from north Europe .

[Smitty]

Albanians average height is 174cm , is it that tall ?

That is super short. :)

[Bloody]

Arnold Schwarzenegger is Austrian , it mean from Austria ....a central European country ....that confin at south with Italy ...and it is far from north Europe .

For some people Northern Europe = non Med/balkan europe... Schwarzenegger fits easier in Hamburg than in Rome..

[Amor Vincit Omnia]

Danny DeVito is the representative for how all Southern Europeans look now?

yes , and it is a non sense ....

[Bloody]

Uma Thurman dwarfs Ariana Grande, so this is incontrovertible scientific proof that all people, of northern European descent, are taller than all people, of southern European descent. Period! Close the thread now.

Average british man is only 176 cm and average british women is about 162-163 cm.. I'm talking about ethnic british people... brits are not as tall as other northern europeans.. I wouldnt say they arent any taller than french if you look at the young generations... Dutch, Scandinavians (specially danish) and Germans (specially those from the northern half) are definitely way taller than brits, so are czech, poles(not by much) , austrians and people from the baltic states.

[Brianna]

Average british man is only 176 cm and average british women is about 162-163 cm.. I'm talking about ethnic british people... brits are not as tall as other northern europeans.. I wouldnt say they arent any taller than french if you look at the young generations... Dutch, Scandinavians (specially danish) and Germans (specially those from the northern half) are definitely way taller than brits, so are czech, poles(not by much) , austrians and people from the baltic states.

Did you mean to quote MY post?

[Queen B]

Vomit fest.
Your one-liners always crack me up :lol:

[Hellenas]

Come on, no Greeks here will bother you if you post a pic for serious classification. I for one would gain some respect for you. Then I can say for sure you are Arvanite seed or not.

Get lost Asiatic Korean, go troll your Jewish aunt(and don't try to refute, you have already confess she is one)... lol.

And you are a shame for Greece... calling other Greeks Albanians, Slavs and Turks... change your username to Scholarios Kastrioti.

[Amor Vincit Omnia]

For some people Northern Europe = non Med/balkan europe... Schwarzenegger fits easier in Hamburg than in Rome..

of course Austrian and Germanic are similar in genetic and cultural way .....of course he fit easier in hamburg than rome , I wanted say that Germanic genes are not esclusive of north Europe , it's tipical central European.

[Amor Vincit Omnia]

Come on, no Greeks here will bother you if you post a pic for serious classification. I for one would gain some respect for you. Then I can say for sure you are Arvanite seed or not.

said that from someone with your profile pic ...hahahah sound nice endeed hahah

[Also]

Average southern european:

http://images.starpulse.com/pictures/2012/09/30/previews/Danny%20DeVito-IHA-008941.jpg

Average Northern european:

http://www.factfiend.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/He-has-the-power.jpg

[Amor Vincit Omnia]

Average southern european:

http://images.starpulse.com/pictures/2012/09/30/previews/Danny%20DeVito-IHA-008941.jpg

Average Northern european:

http://www.factfiend.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/He-has-the-power.jpg

this is the most intelligent post ever ...as in brasil everyone know the average height is very very high hahaha

[Bloody]

People ignoring the obvious differences between young and old generations

[Peter Nirsch]

Tallest people in the world live in the Balkans.

[Bloody]

Tallest people in the world live in the Balkans.

The dutch are taller, I have been to both Netherlands and Montenegro and dutch are definitely taller in both genders.

Dutch, Danes, Northern germans are the tallest peoples in the world... Montenegro would be similar to Norway and Iceland, both who are very tall, but not as tall as the other ones... Serbia and parts of croatia being similar to sweden.. Tallest peoples in the world are located where frisians established.

[Cody Gearhart]

The dutch are taller, I have been to both Netherlands and Montenegro and dutch are definitely taller in both genders.

Dutch, Danes, Northern germans are the tallest peoples in the world... Montenegro would be similar to Norway and Iceland, both who are very tall, but not as tall as the other ones... Serbia and parts of croatia being similar to sweden.. Tallest peoples in the world are located where frisians established.

My dad was mostly dutch and he was 5'9 and a half.

[Peter Nirsch]

The dutch are taller, I have been to both Netherlands and Montenegro and dutch are definitely taller in both genders.

Dutch, Danes, Northern germans are the tallest peoples in the world... Montenegro would be similar to Norway and Iceland, both who are very tall, but not as tall as the other ones... Serbia and parts of croatia being similar to sweden.. Tallest peoples in the world are located where frisians established.


people from Dinaric Alps in the Balkans are considered the tallest people in the world. In the extreme north of Europe live Laps, which word means tiny people.

[Bloody]

people from Dinaric Alps in the Balkans are considered the tallest people in the world. In the extreme north of Europe live Laps, which word means tiny people.

lapps arent that short.. Northern scandinavians average about 180-181 cm...

The tallest people are around the north sea,Be it the north edges of the continent and southern scandinavia (The Netherlands, Northern Germany, Denmark, SOuthern Norway/Sweden. Icelanders are very tall too... but again they are a transplanted population from Norway.. Frisians being the tallest of the bunch

[Cristiano viejo]

Eurobasket 2015, winner: Spain.
I can not laugh harder ;)

[The Illyrian Warrior]

who said Albanians are tall ? for what I know this is absolutely false ...in opposite it same they re a little shorter than other south europeans

Let's see which Albanians we're speaking, those from south who are noticeably shorter or Ghegs who are predominant Dinarid with distinctly taller stature, clearly studies are worthless unless cites where the samples where taken from which I presume in south....Just in my hometown you'll find more youths over 6' 0" even not grown at their full potential yet then opposite, ofc older generation are shorter which might lower average due poor living conditions, malnutrition etc. if taken away older generation you'll get average of 6' easily.

[Togarma]

I think body lenght is about the nutrions. If you visit any museums, you will see wery short armors from middle age europeans due to wery bad conditions in that era. So there is no suprise northern europeans taller with their economic conditions. Remember that, vikings was taller than British cousins in iron age because of their nutritions based on fish and meat while brits has to eat wheat. Americans was also taller than Europeans. Today people getting almost same size due to equal life conditions. There is geneticaly long people also but that is case abouth natural and social selection due to same rule.

[Also]

this is the most intelligent post ever ...as in brasil everyone know the average height is very very high hahaha

Brazilians don't have internet height complex.

[Peter Nirsch]

lapps arent that short.. Northern scandinavians average about 180-181 cm...

The tallest people are around the north sea,Be it the north edges of the continent and southern scandinavia (The Netherlands, Northern Germany, Denmark, SOuthern Norway/Sweden. Icelanders are very tall too... but again they are a transplanted population from Norway.. Frisians being the tallest of the bunch


you should know many lapps in the USA -.-

tallest europeans live in the Balkans, it's a fact, not an opinion, Northern Germans, Dutch and Danish are a little bit shorter, though very tall compared to the rest of Europeans.

[Ibericus]

Aren't Montenegrins the tallest people in Europe or similar to Dutch ?

[Amor Vincit Omnia]

Brazilians don't have internet height complex.

YES IT IS EVIDENT FROM YOUR LAST POST HAHAHAHA

[Cartesiano]

YES IT IS EVIDENT FROM YOUR LAST POST HAHAHAHA

Probably Brasil except North and Northeast, maybe center who is about half of Brazil population, the other half is tall as Southern European and I bet in the south Brazil is very probably taller.

[Amor Vincit Omnia]

Probably Brasil except North and Northeast, maybe center who is about half of Brazil population, the other half is tall as Southern European and I bet in the south Brazil is very probably taller.

sure I can belive you , it is not a problem about I am not going to contest this , in other words I agree with you
I reply in that way just because the user Also wrote down a post with average Mediterranean ( de vito ) average north European ( the pic of ...I don't remember the name of that actor ) ....I mean he post a classic example of stereotype and I replyed to a stereotype post ......

I know that probably, he post it just for play , for joke . ( maybe yes , maybe not )

...but nowadays it is better don't joke too much with stereotypes I think . not with south European , not with brasilians and south American in general ....we need all but sure we don't need more stereotypes about us ..or make them stronger ....just those who exist now are too many and still too strong ....pass to look like stereotype to behavior one is just a step and it follow the same approach , often the same goal .

[Cartesiano]

sure I can belive you , it is not a problem about I am not going to contest this , in other words I agree with you
I reply in that way just because the user Also wrote down a post with average Mediterranean ( de vito ) average north European ( the pic of ...I don't remember the name of that actor ) ....I mean he post a classic example of stereotype and I replyed to a stereotype post ......I know that probably he post just for play , for joke ...but nowadays it is better don't joke too much with stereotypes I think .

DeVito is very representative.

[Cartesiano]

Okay it's a joke, this thread is full troll.

[Amor Vincit Omnia]

DeVito is very representative.

well as you decided to follow this way what if I reply you that also the sad reality of violence in your country is very representative of average brasilians ...do you like this game , funny ah ?? I don't think so !

[Amor Vincit Omnia]

Okay it's a joke, this thread is full troll.

ok sorry , I saw your last message too late ....yes I agree with you , I know you know what I mean ... stereotype is stupid , as stupid is my last post before this one .

[Cartesiano]

well as you decided to follow this way what if I reply you that also the sad reality of violence in your country is very representative of average brasilians ...do you like this game , funny ah ?? I don't think so !

It's joke... you are out. Brazilians are probably the biggest idiots of all world.

[Amor Vincit Omnia]

It's joke... you are out. Brazilians are probably the biggest idiots of all world.
you said that because you don't know Italians , it could be a nice match hahaha

[MinervaItalica]

It's a false stereotype mongoloid op. Basically the same as say that Swedes or Northern Europe people in general are all blonde.

[Porn Master]

the average Yugoslavian stands at well over 185 cm tall. May Google help you to find some proofs *

[Cristiano viejo]

I am 1 80. Perhaps Northerners are taller but Spain rules European basketball since some years ago :D Italy and Yugoslavia in past too :tongue

[Nebuchadnezzar]

I am 1 80. Perhaps Northerners are taller but Spain rules European basketball since some years ago :D Italy and Yugoslavia in past too :tongue


That serves you right, I've always imagined you as a short, loudmouthed, southerner manlet....

[Cristiano viejo]

That serves you right, I've always imagined you as a short, loudmouthed, southerner manlet....

That is why Irakies are not very smart.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

That is why Irakies are not very smart.

Dios mio, you have the uncanny talent of horrible comebacks, I have yet to see elsewhere other than here... again sorry on behalf of your sore vagina, cuckstiano pendejo !

[Cristiano viejo]

Dios mio, you have the uncanny talent of horrible comebacks, I have yet to see elsewhere other than here... again sorry on behalf of your sore vagina, cuckstiano pendejo !

Dont cry me and return to your country to fight for its future, loser.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Dont cry me and return to your country to fight for its future, loser.

Al-Andulus.... you,me, mano y mano... one day InshAllah !

[Cristiano viejo]

Al-Andulus.... you,me, mano y mano... one day InshAllah !

Man, al Andalus is veeeery far from my land. But nice try. Now take your camel and go back your desert. Danish women will be grateful and will sleep quieter.

[Styrian Mujo]

With the exeption of some Balkan Slavs.

[Tobi]

That serves you right, I've always imagined you as a short, loudmouthed, southerner manlet....

If 1,80 is a short , what is average? 2,10? And Tall? 2,50? People here are crazy as usual, LOL.

[Prism]

Aren't Montenegrins the tallest people in Europe or similar to Dutch ?

Yes they are huge, so are the Herzegovinians. When I was in the Podgorica airport, I felt like a midget, most men were 192cm+ and the women were from 168-176cm.

My great-grandfather was very tall, so I hear, a little below 2m, maybe 194, 195 or so (on my mothers side) and my grandfather on my father's side was around 2m. All southern europeans obviously. I am 183cm however.

[GiCa]

the rule of the climate.

same as indonesians are shorter than manchurians.

we are shorter because we live in a climate with more sun rays

[GiCa]

Bosnians and croats are the tallest of the world.. so there are ecceptions

[Cristiano viejo]

Bosnians and croats are the tallest of the world.. so there are ecceptions

They rule every sport for tall, basket, voleyball, etc. I am tired seeing the Bosnian basketball team winning the Eurobasket again and again, you not?

[brennus dux gallorum]

With the exeption of some Balkan Slavs.

I don't think that Balkan slavs are Southern Europeans


Albanians are probably the tallest in the south. They are as tall as Dutch.

Albanians are eastern Europeans, not Southern. Stereotypically Southern countries are Iberian, Italy, Greece and Malta, France to a degree.

I think Greeks are the tallest in Southern Europe

[brennus dux gallorum]

Man, al Andalus is veeeery far from my land. But nice try. Now take your camel and go back your desert. Danish women will be grateful and will sleep quieter.

that really makes sense, in Northern Europe there is a much bigger percentage of arab-european mixed couples than in Southern Europe

[Prism]

I don't think that Balkan slavs are Southern Europeans



Albanians are eastern Europeans, not Southern. Stereotypically Southern countries are Iberian, Italy, Greece and Malta, France to a degree.

I think Greeks are the tallest in Southern Europe

They're SouthEastern, so a mix. A Serb has more in common culturally with a Greek than a Russian for example. Mentality wise we are also different (Balkanites), Eastern Europeans are always cold and distant even with their good friends to some extent, while Southeastern Europeans once you get to know them, they'll treat you like family.

What I'm trying to say is that we are equally Southern and Eastern Europeans.

Ps: Are you rottengreek/El Griego?

[wvwvw]

I don't think that Balkan slavs are Southern Europeans



Albanians are eastern Europeans, not Southern. Stereotypically Southern countries are Iberian, Italy, Greece and Malta, France to a degree.

I think Greeks are the tallest in Southern Europe

Doubtful

[LieDetector]

Too much seafood and not enough meat? :noidea:

[Prism]

Too much seafood and not enough meat? :noidea:

Seafood is awesome. Mussels in wine is the best or with pasta and cream! :icon_hungry:

[LieDetector]

Seafood is awesome. Mussels in wine is the best or with pasta and cream! :icon_hungry:

Yea I love seafood as well.

[Aëlwenn]

I don't think that Balkan slavs are Southern Europeans



Albanians are eastern Europeans, not Southern. Stereotypically Southern countries are Iberian, Italy, Greece and Malta, France to a degree.

I think Greeks are the tallest in Southern Europe

My boyfriend measure 1m89 and his family are more than 1m80, they are all in French Normandy.
France is a country in Western Europe geographically, economically and politically, no southern Europe.
And I not consider the French mediterranean outline as in Southern Europe (as I consider the northern part of Italy at the French border in central europe btw).

[brennus dux gallorum]

They're SouthEastern, so a mix. A Serb has more in common culturally with a Greek than a Russian for example. Mentality wise we are also different (Balkanites), Eastern Europeans are always cold and distant even with their good friends to some extent, while Southeastern Europeans once you get to know them, they'll treat you like family.

What I'm trying to say is that we are equally Southern and Eastern Europeans.

Ps: Are you rottengreek/El Griego?

that's not true. From my personal experience Serbia shares a lot in common with russia, unlike with most of Greek regions

[The Blade]

You can find plenty of tall Southern Euros.

[Dick]

I'm allergic to shellfish

[Decius]

Southeastern Euros are the tallest

[Bloody]

My boyfriend measure 1m89 and his family are more than 1m80, they are all in French Normandy.
France is a country in Western Europe geographically, economically and politically, no southern Europe.
And I not consider the French mediterranean outline as in Southern Europe (as I consider the northern part of Italy at the French border in central europe btw).


North Italy has central European INfluences but is not proper central European like Southern Germany, Austria or German speaking-Switzerland.

North Italy has far more in common with non-mediterranean southern France, in architecture, mentality and peoples. Gallo romance areas.

France is a mid point between Southern Europe and Central Europe. Even Bordering areas in Alsace inmediately feel noticeably different coming from the neighbour cities on the German Border. Northern Italy is Southern Europe. The Germanic world feels very different than the romance speaking world, in time , space , cultures, languages and Peoples.

German speaking Europe + Netherlands/Flanders + Scandinavia = Germanic Europe
Spain+ Italy+ Greece+ Portugal + Southern France = Latin/mediterranean/Southern European culture