Does the Catholic Church foster pedophilia?

[Loki]

Does the Catholic Church foster pedophilia? (http://freethoughtnation.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=319:does-the-catholic-church-foster-pedophilia&catid=38:christianity)

UPDATE: The truth is busting out all over! Sex abuse scandal rocks Catholics in Europe (http://www.worldmag.com/articles/16551); Sex abuse scandal in US, Italy taints papacy (http://uk.search.yahoo.com/404handler?src=news&fr=404_news&ref=http://freethoughtnation.com/index.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26amp;view%3Darti cle%26amp;id%3D319:does-the-catholic-church-foster-pedophilia%26amp;catid%3D38:christianity&url=http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100326/ap_on_re_eu/eu_church_abuse_slow_justice)

In yet one more of the umpteen instances of depravity behind the robes of Catholic priests, another vile child abuser has been exposed, this time for "molesting" (raping?) some 200 deaf boys. How the Catholic Church can continue to hold any sway with mankind after so many of these incidents coming to light over the past several decades is beyond me. And when one factors in the nightmarish atrocities of the Inquisition and the past centuries of torture, slaughter and, quite likely, institutionalized child rape, one may be left flabbergasted that the whole organization has festered for this long to begin with.

Since Jesus Christ (http://stellarhousepublishing.com/whowasjesus.html) is allegedly the omnipotent God in charge of everything, including and especially the churches and organizations in his name, he needs to be held responsible for such atrocities. Or, if Jesus had nothing to do with it, he is clearly not in charge of everything and cannot be considered the all-powerful God - it's really that simple.

Apologists may squawk, "God gave us free will!" Fat lot of good that notion does for all these children - don't they have free will too not to be the victims of sexual predators? The all-powerful God could not even protect them, apparently. Such excuses grow very thin at this point in human evolution.

Perhaps instead of coddling these awful organizations - at the expense of thousands of children - we should be asking, what is it about Catholicism that fosters child rape among its supposedly godly representatives? Maybe, just maybe, it's entirely unnatural to force a person to be "celibate?" Perhaps the priesthood attracts child molesters because of its unnatural structure that, by eliminating healthy sexuality, encourages perversion and also covers it up?




Vatican Declined to Defrock U.S. Priest Who Abused Boys (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/25/world/europe/25vatican.html?_r=1&hp)

Top Vatican officials — including the future Pope Benedict XVI — did not defrock a priest who molested as many as 200 deaf boys, even though several American bishops repeatedly warned them that failure to act on the matter could embarrass the church, according to church files newly unearthed as part of a lawsuit.

The internal correspondence from bishops in Wisconsin directly to Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, the future pope, shows that while church officials tussled over whether the priest should be dismissed, their highest priority was protecting the church from scandal...


Well, of course - public opinion! Those children didn't matter - it was all for the glory of God! But if God is omniscient, he must have seen it all - what a lovely sight. And he did nothing to stop it, even though he's all powerful. The Church hierarchy apparently doesn't really believe in the all-knowing and all-powerful God that it pretends to represent. Pandering to humans will not save your soul from eternal damnation, will it?

[Murphy]

You're a bit behind the times, Loki. Before you try and attack Holy Mother Church, I would look into the facts :coffee:.. this attack by the New York Times and other Associated Press on the character of the Holy Father was literally dismantled months ago by people who were directly involved in the case.

Do you even want to discuss this? I hardly think you do. You're simply trolling.

[Loki]

You're simply trolling.

What else is there to do on this hot Saturday in July?

[Murphy]

What else is there to do on this hot Saturday in July?

The sky is dreary and gray, it's freezing cold, and pelting from the heavens.. :p!

[Eldritch]

In the sense that it has attracted people with pedophile tendencies to the priesthood, and it has turned a blind eye to their actions in order to avoid, ehhh, scandals, yes.

However I doubt that there's anything in the Catholic faith that turns people into pedophiles.

[Wulfhere]

I wouldn't trust any sort of Catholics with children. Nothing to do with their "faith", just their practice.

[Beorn]

I wouldn't trust any sort of Catholics with children. Nothing to do with their "faith", just their practice.

LOL

I wouldn't trust you either and you're a fucking pagan!


Folk Mother

The first Folk Mother of a sovereign Mercia shall be Sytia (pictured), who has been training for the role since the age of 12.


http://sovereignmercia.angelfire.com/index_files/image013.jpg


Anyway, on topic, the Catholic faith has nothing on it compared to the ranks of Paedophilia going on within the Protestant faith.

[Óttar]

The pope is, and always has been merely the new face of the old decadent Roman emperors. We should just bring back the Roman emperors, at least they were honest about what they were doing. In medieval times, the term for a hooker was "abbess" and a whorehouse was a "convent."

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080509091415/uncyclopedia/images/f/f5/Popeandemperor.jpg

[Wulfhere]

The pope is, and always has been merely the new face of the old decadent Roman emperors. In medieval times, the term for a hooker was "abbess" and a whorehouse was a "convent."

The Catholic Church inherited all that was bad about the late, decadent Roman Empire, and nothing that was good from its earlier, dynamic phase. Whilst there is no doubt that Christianity as a whole is evil, Catholicism really goes for it with a vengeance, subverting every single human drive and emotion.

[Megrez]

Folk Mother

The first Folk Mother of a sovereign Mercia shall be Sytia (pictured), who has been training for the role since the age of 12.

http://sovereignmercia.angelfire.com/index_files/image013.jpg

Long live Mercia.

[Megrez]

Idea for a poll: would you let your children be initiated in the catholic church?

[The Lawspeaker]

You know. I was myself raised a Catholic and I was good friends with some clergymen and nothing ever happened so really...
Yes I would let my child be initiated if it wanted it but I would still ask him to wait until he's of the proper age (21+)

[Megrez]

IMO no child should be initiated in any religion. With special regards to christianity, for the child can turn out to be a Jon Paul or such. The idea of waiting till 21 is very good.

[Cato]

Socrates would fit right in with this bunch, which has inherited more than just Greek philosophical knowledge, but also Greek pederastry.

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[Grumpy Cat]

I don't think the catholic church fosters pedophilia but I think that pedophiles are attracted to the priesthood. I will explain when I sober up and get on a computer (on iPhone Now). But pedophiles are attracted to Protestant and Muslim clergy for the same reasons it's just that the Catholics have been less efficient in dealing with it and that's where the problem lies. I agree with proposals to screen catholic priests to keep pedophiles out.

[Groenewolf]

I don't think the catholic church fosters pedophilia but I think that pedophiles are attracted to the priesthood. I will explain when I sober up and get on a computer (on iPhone Now).

Probably for the same reasons that they are attracted to job of teacher, or any other kind of jobs where they are in a position of authority and work with plenty of children.

[Murphy]

I just have two things to add to Groenewolfs' and Acadians' posts. First, just to clarify Acadian, the Catholic Church was no worse than any other when it came to handling the abuse. By which I mean everyone fucked it up back then. Today though the Catholic Church is probably the safest place for children.. I would trust my child with a Catholic priest any day over a public school teacher.

And this is in general.. if anyone is actually informed about the abuse cases and reading tabloid opinion pieces does not make one informed.. then you would know the problem was not with paedohiles but with homosexual-ephebophilia.


IMO no child should be initiated in any religion. With special regards to christianity, for the child can turn out to be a Jon Paul or such. The idea of waiting till 21 is very good.

I am sorry.. but you don't know me :confused:!

[Lulletje Rozewater]

You're a bit behind the times, Loki. Before you try and attack Holy Mother Church, I would look into the facts :coffee:.. this attack by the New York Times and other Associated Press on the character of the Holy Father was literally dismantled months ago by people who were directly involved in the case.

Do you even want to discuss this? I hardly think you do. You're simply trolling.

Just read the words in black and add...Holy Children

[Lulletje Rozewater]

I just have two things to add to Groenewolfs' and Acadians' posts. First, just to clarify Acadian, the Catholic Church was no worse than any other when it came to handling the abuse. By which I mean everyone fucked it up back then. Today though the Catholic Church is probably the safest place for children.. I would trust my child with a Catholic priest any day over a public school teacher.

And this is in general.. if anyone is actually informed about the abuse cases and reading tabloid opinion pieces does not make one informed.. then you would know the problem was not with paedohiles but with homosexual-ephebophilia.

I have to agree there.
The African(Xhosa-Zulu, and Arab(Yemen,Somalia) are the worst offenders.
They do not even know the difference between a goat and a child.
The media has climbed on the bandwagon.
Still it is a wishy washy exercise of "God loves you"

[Eldritch]

And this is in general.. if anyone is actually informed about the abuse cases and reading tabloid opinion pieces does not make one informed.. then you would know the problem was not with paedohiles but with homosexual-ephebophilia.


While this is correct, it's pretty much a lost cause to try to change the terminology in the public discourse at this point in time. It'd be more important to end these practices as soon and as completely as possible than to try to get everyone to refer to them by the strickly accurate psychopathological terms.

[Murphy]

While this is correct, it's pretty much a lost cause to try to change the terminology in the public discourse at this point in time. It'd be more important to end these practices as soon and as completely as possible than to try to get everyone to refer to them by the strickly accurate psychopathological terms.

Understandable position. But if the problem is to be dealt with, then we must know exactly what the problem is. And I should also add that today the Catholic Church, thanks greatly to the then Cardinal Ratzinger, has solid means of dealing with abusive clergy. The majority of the cases being reported by the media today are decades old. It isn't a continuing issue within the Church.

[Austin]

Bunch of middle aged men who haven't had sex in a very long time in charge of handsome, defenseless little boys.....was only a matter of time really as I see it.

[Megrez]

I am sorry.. but you don't know me :confused:!
Seeing what you post in this forum is enough.

Idea for a poll: do you believe men can go through all life without sex?

[Klärchen]

City University London - Seminar "The Exposure of Sexual Abuse: Milestone or Millstone for the Church and Sex Education in Germany?" (http://www.scribd.com/doc/40435268/City-University-London-Seminar-The-Exposure-of-Sexual-Abuse-Milestone-or-Millstone-for-the-Church-and-Sex-Education-in-Germany)

(3rd November 2010, 5 pm to 6 pm). Speaker: Dr. Jakob Pastoetter.

[Cato]

Bunch of middle aged men who haven't had sex in a very long time in charge of handsome, defenseless little boys.....was only a matter of time really as I see it.

The descriptor also describes the Stoic sages of yore, with the exception that the Stoics could, and did, marry and begit offspring- or like Epictetus, the lame cripple, who married a woman who already had a child so that he could raise his wife's child with moral proper training.

1) Stoic sages like Epictetus despised sex-out-of-marriage, homosexuality, pederasry, etc.;

2) They also trained impressionable youths in their beliefs, hoping to make them Stoics like themselves;

3) No Stoics to my knowledge were every said to have engaged in buggery with their pupils. In fact, like the the Catos, they were said to be very prudish in their morals.

Why the difference? I believe it is thus: carnality was thought by the Stoics to be a purely intellectual and moral weakness (i.e. a defect of character), unlike the Christians, who tend to view it as a damnable sin.

[Thorum]

"It is reported (http://www.thelocal.se/32286/20110227/) that the paedophile priests, one of whom is dead, sexually abused a collective of five children between 1940 and 1970, thus falling under that statute of limitation.

Stockholm Bishop Anders Arborelius said Saturday there could 'be no redemption' for the three. [:p]

One priest molested two boys, another abused a girl for four years before she complained.

The third priest molested two girls, who were sisters, while in a relationship with their mother."

[CelticTemplar]

Good o'le fashioned inquisition aught to fix this up right quick.

[The Lawspeaker]

Good o'le fashioned inquisition aught to fix this up right quick.
I doubt it. They would just deal with any people that know about the abuse and help the church in covering it all up. The leaders of the church are so thoroughly fucking corrupted that the grand inquisition needs a major clean-up. I propose hangings.

[Motörhead Remember Me]

Never trust a religious organization which had a Polish goalkeeper as it's frontman ...

[The Lawspeaker]

Never trust a religious organization which had a Polish goalkeeper as it's frontman ...
This one isn't Polish but a former Hitler Youth. :coffee:

[Wyn]

This one isn't Polish but a former Hitler Youth. :coffee:

I believe he is referring to the Holy Goalie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artur_Boruc).

[Motörhead Remember Me]

Good o'le fashioned inquisition aught to fix this up right quick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAn7baRbhx4

[Motörhead Remember Me]

I believe he is referring to the Holy Goalie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artur_Boruc).

Nope. I was refering to the previous pope who was a football goalkeeper in his youth.

As a youth, Wojtyła was an athlete and often played football as a goalkeeper
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_John_Paul_II

Don't you people know anything?

[Wyn]

Nope. I was refering to the previous pope who was a football goalkeeper in his youth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_John_Paul_II

Don't you people know anything?

I had no idea that Pope John Paul II played football as a goalkeeper in his youth, no.

[Motörhead Remember Me]

A Polish goalie, a former Hitlerjugend and 1000's of old pedophiles.

Makes the freemasons look clean.

[Adalwolf]

Why is there so much emphasis on the Catholic churches mishaps, when the Protestants probably have a worse track record? Besides, you can't label a whole sect when there is clearly wolves in sheep's clothing in nearly every institution known to man. People who commit these vile acts cannot be lead by the spirit, and are thus false prophets.

[The Lawspeaker]

A Polish goalie, a former Hitlerjugend and 1000's of old pedophiles.

Makes the freemasons look clean.
Yes.. makes me consider joining them instead ! :wink

[Motörhead Remember Me]

instead !

In the catholic church already?:D

[Motörhead Remember Me]

wolves in sheep's clothing in nearly every institution known to man.

True. No arguing here.

[The Lawspeaker]

In the catholic church already?:D
Raised a Papist.. I wasn't baptist though.

[Wyn]

Besides, you can't label a whole sect when there is clearly wolves in sheep's clothing in nearly every institution known to man.

Yes, a Catholic priest is only as likely to sexually abuse a child as any other male. Well, that may not be strictly true - according to one professor at Stanford University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_G._Plante), a member of the general adult male population is, statistically speaking, more likely to do so than a priest.

[Adalwolf]

As Christians are becoming the minority, there will be ever more tirades against the church, as people are threatened by the spiritual truth. No matter how fallacious the claims, anything that can possibly draw people away from Jesus will be attempted.

[Daos]

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[Murphy]

"It is reported (http://www.thelocal.se/32286/20110227/) that the paedophile priests, one of whom is dead, sexually abused a collective of five children between 1940 and 1970, thus falling under that statute of limitation.

Stockholm Bishop Anders Arborelius said Saturday there could 'be no redemption' for the three. [:p]

One priest molested two boys, another abused a girl for four years before she complained.

The third priest molested two girls, who were sisters, while in a relationship with their mother."

The problem with the media today is that guilt is presumed. One of these priests is dead and has not faced trial to be found guilty. It is unfair to judge him guilty. There is no justice in that. Today one must prove his innocence instead of having the prosecutor prove his guilt.