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Joe McCarthy
12-03-2010, 12:11 AM
This is a bit old but interesting nonetheless.

http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/odd-numbers/2007/07/26/the-most-racist-country-in-the-western-world/



The Most Racist Country in the Western World
Or homophobic, or xenophobic, or anti-semitic.

It's been said that industrialized nations are becoming more intolerant of foreigners, and a provocative new paper in the August issue of Kyklos tries to quantify just how bigoted Western nations are. (Free version of the paper is here.)

The paper's authors used responses from a question in the Human Beliefs and Values Survey -- a twice-a-decade survey of social and political attitudes around the world -- which asked respondents how they would feel about living next to: People of different ethnicities, Muslims, Jews, immigrants or foreign workers, and homosexuals.

The researchers used these answers as a proxy for bigotry in each country. (The survey took place in 1999-2000).

And the most prejudiced country? Drumroll please...

Northern Ireland with an estimated 44 percent of its population saying they wouldn't want to live next to one of the above five groups took the top "prize." Breathing down it's neck was Greece with 43.2 percent and at 37.6 percent Italy rounded out the top three.

The least bigoted nations were dominated by Scandinavian countries: Sweden (13.4%), the Netherlands (17.2%), Iceland (18.4%), Canada (21.5%), Denmark (21.9%).

(Germany joins the ranks of the most bigoted nations using an alternative measure based on how strong bigoted feelings were among those who had them, the researchers found.)

The United States was estimated to have a 30.4 percent level of bigotry.



Read more: http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/odd-numbers/2007/07/26/the-most-racist-country-in-the-western-world/#ixzz170VDfJ82

Grumpy Cat
12-03-2010, 12:13 AM
Since when were Canada and the Netherlands in Scandinavia???

Anyways, I'd say the most racist countries are the most PC ones. PC is by it's very nature, very racist.

The Lawspeaker
12-03-2010, 12:13 AM
Then I think I am a huge bigot in that respect. I am only living right next door to immigrants because of the housing shortage and because there is nothing else available. It isn't worth being on a waiting list for 2 years for, methinks.

Do I like it ? Hell no.

Joe McCarthy
12-03-2010, 12:15 AM
Since when were Canada and the Netherlands in Scandinavia???

Anyways, I'd say the most racist countries are the most PC ones. PC is by it's very nature, very racist.

I think it's saying that three of the top five are Scandinavian, hence Scandinavia 'dominates'.

Grumpy Cat
12-03-2010, 12:16 AM
No immigrants in my neighbourhood.

But as I've always said on here, I'd rather live next to a nice non-white person than a white douchebag, but also the other way around, a nice white person than a non-white douchebag.

See, the PC types are racist in a sense that they would put up with living next to a non-white douchebag and saying that they can't help the way they are because of their race. Sounds pretty racist to me.

Grumpy Cat
12-03-2010, 12:17 AM
I think it's saying that three of the top five are Scandinavian, hence Scandinavia 'dominates'.

Oh, I misread the sentence. Carry on. :D

Eldritch
12-03-2010, 12:18 AM
Since when were Canada and the Netherlands in Scandinavia???


I think the point was many of the "least racist" nations were Scandinavian, not all of them.

Italy doesn't surprise me, Northern Ireland actually does.

Grumpy Cat
12-03-2010, 12:19 AM
I think the point was many of the "least racist" nations were Scandinavian, not all of them.

Yeah, which I misread.

And also found funny, because nowadays Nordic people are lead to believe they are evil and the most racist. Studies show otherwise.

Joe McCarthy
12-03-2010, 12:20 AM
These numbers don't surprise me btw. I'd expect places like Northern Ireland and Italy to score very high, the US relatively high, and Sweden to score very low. The one that seems dated is Holland. My guess is that it would score significantly higher today.

Grumpy Cat
12-03-2010, 12:24 AM
I don't know, I probably would be willing to bet that Canadians would have scored significantly higher if they were just asked about Muslims, and probably lower if asked about other groups.

You'd also probably see somewhat of a difference between English and French-speaking Canadians if asked about Jews.

Here's a thread (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12808) about what Canadians think of other groups.


Across the country, English Canadians were regarded the most favourably by all respondents at 84% — well above immigrants at 70%, Jews at 69%, French Quebecers at 65% and aboriginal Canadians at 56%.

...

In Quebec, French Quebecers are viewed the most favourably, followed by English Canadians, immigrants, aboriginal Canadians, and Jews.

Joe McCarthy
12-03-2010, 12:27 AM
I think the point was many of the "least racist" nations were Scandinavian, not all of them.

Italy doesn't surprise me, Northern Ireland actually does.

Northern Ireland is full of rabid nationalists and homophobes. The UVF even has a Nazi element. Immigrants, Pakis, Gypsies, etc., getting attacked are commonalities. Some examples:

http://blather.net/zeitgeist/archives/2009/06/roma_families_attacked_in_belf.html


'More than 100 Romanians have taken refuge in a Belfast church after their homes came under attack from racists.
Up to 20 families fled their homes off the Lisburn Road in the south of the city last night following repeated attacks on their houses. The 115 Romanians, most of whom are understood to be from the Roma community, were taken to the church in police mini-buses.'


http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-24720054.html


A Pakistani family has been attacked in Belfast just hours after moving into a house in the loyalist Village area in the south of the city.

A plank was tossed through the front window of the Tavanagh Street house late on Wednesday night. No-one was injured but glass was shattered across the room where a heavily pregnant woman and her brother-in-law had just finished eating. Both were badly shaken.

"We refer to it as hate crime and that's basically what it is," Insp Darrin Jones of the PSNI said. There are growing fears that this crime, like many of its predecessors, is symbolic of an increasingly organised campaign - mainly in loyalist areas - against minority


I recall some years ago where Loyalists were patrolling the streets of Belfast and calling for Republicans to join them in 'keeping the streets white'.

Eldritch
12-03-2010, 12:27 AM
Actually the separation of Europe into "west" and "east" is seriously outdated by now, and I bet countries like Slovakia, Serbia, Ukraine would take the cake.

Not to mention the Kingdom of Frostbitten Ravishing Racist Grimness itself ... Hungary. :eek:

Debaser11
12-03-2010, 12:27 AM
I think Americans are actually remarkably (to a fault) anti-racist especially given how much more multi-culti we are relative to the rest of the world. It's easy to be an anti-racist when you live in a relatively homogeneous society.

Here, in racist Houston, we're more than happy to send some illegals over to "tolerant," lilly white Portland.

I hope for the Europeans' sake, they rediscover the inner vigor and level of self-realization that racism permits one to have that is not necessarily based on a hate, but rather a distinction, from the other.

Joe McCarthy
12-03-2010, 12:31 AM
Actually the separation of Europe into "west" and "east" is seriously outdated by now, and I bet countries like Slovakia, Serbia, Ukraine would take the cake.

Not to mention the Kingdom of Frostbitten Ravishing Racist Grimness itself ... Hungary. :eek:

West and East is usually determined by religious history. Orthodox states are regarded as 'Eastern'. Protestant and Catholic are 'Western'.

Lábaru
12-03-2010, 12:33 AM
Who receive more immigrants of Africans and Muslims are clearly more racist.... logically

Joe McCarthy
12-03-2010, 12:36 AM
I don't know, I probably would be willing to bet that Canadians would have scored significantly higher if they were just asked about Muslims, and probably lower if asked about other groups.

You'd also probably see somewhat of a difference between English and French-speaking Canadians if asked about Jews.

Here's a thread (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12808) about what Canadians think of other groups.

Kinda sad that French Quebecers are regarded less favorably than Jews and immigrants. I'm unsure what that says exactly.

Joe McCarthy
12-03-2010, 12:41 AM
Who receive more immigrants of Africans and Muslims are clearly more racist.... logically

We need to bear in mind that this study is taking 'homophobia' into account as well. I imagine that's one reason why the US scores relatively high, while a country like the Netherlands scores low.

The Lawspeaker
12-03-2010, 12:42 AM
We need to bear in mind that this study is taking 'homophobia' into account as well. I imagine that's one reason why the US scores relatively high, while a country like the Netherlands scores low.
And then it also depends on where you are. I think that people in the Bible Belt wouldn't like those either ;)
But Amsterdam itself does not represent the Netherlands and I think that their enquiries didn't go beyond Amsterdam.

Joe McCarthy
12-03-2010, 12:44 AM
And then it also depends on where you are. I think that people in the Bible Belt wouldn't like those either ;)
But Amsterdam itself does not represent the Netherlands and I think that their enquiries didn't go beyond Amsterdam.


The Bible Belt areas would easily score both most racist and most homophobic in my opinion. Probably most anti-Semitic as well, mainly because blacks are found there in large numbers.

The Lawspeaker
12-03-2010, 12:45 AM
The Bible Belt areas would easily score both most racist and most homophobic in my opinion. Probably most anti-Semitic as well, mainly because blacks are found there in large numbers.
I mean our (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_Belt_(Netherlands)) Bible Belt.

Joe McCarthy
12-03-2010, 12:50 AM
I think Americans are actually remarkably (to a fault) anti-racist especially given how much more multi-culti we are relative to the rest of the world.

Not really. First, let's distinguish between multicultural and having lots of non-whites. Apartheid South Africa had the latter, but not the former. Multiculturalism is an ideology, not an assessment of how many non-whites a country has. The United States has never accepted multiculturalism as state ideology, unlike several nations in Europe (Sweden most notoriously), Australia, Canada, etc.

Second, America is VERY anti-Muslim compared to most of Europe. If Europeans were as anti-Muslim as Americans, they wouldn't be getting flooded by Islam. If we had hordes of Muslims coming over the Mexican border instead of Mexicans, Americans would rise up in arms.

The difference is a fundamental assessment in threat level - Mexicans are gardeners. Muslims are bombers.

Debaser11
12-03-2010, 01:30 AM
Not really. First, let's distinguish between multicultural and having lots of non-whites. Apartheid South Africa had the latter, but not the former. Multiculturalism is an ideology, not an assessment of how many non-whites a country has. The United States has never accepted multiculturalism as state ideology, unlike several nations in Europe (Sweden most notoriously), Australia, Canada, etc.

But if you talk to the average white where I live they are likely to at least parrot those official lines promulgated by Marxist turncoats that run European societies. Of course, they don't really believe it deep down (or so I suspect). But there is a level of tolerance that exists within them nonetheless. (They want to be good people after all, don't you see!;))

I think our government is much less liberal, but our people have shown they will tolerate quite a lot of bullshit from nonwhites and still not wish them any general ill will. A true testament to the kind nature of whites if there ever was one.


Second, America is VERY anti-Muslim compared to most of Europe. If Europeans were as anti-Muslim as Americans, they wouldn't be getting flooded by Islam. If we had hordes of Muslims coming over the Mexican border instead of Mexicans, Americans would rise up in arms.

Most Americans I encounter seem cool with that big ole mosque when the subject comes up. They hate Glenn Beck. Even our conservative pundits differentiate between "the good Muslims":rolleyes2: and the "ones who abuse their faith.":rolleyes2: If that's not some incredible will power trending toward the idea of acceptance and eventual multiculturalism from a country that was attacked by such people, I don't know what is.


The difference is a fundamental assessment in threat level - Mexicans are gardeners. Muslims are bombers.

How much crime do they have to contribute to within our society before we get all racist and decide to act against them? They do quite a bit of damage here in the redneck state where I live without much more than a peep from most whites. And if there is a word about it, it's always "I know they ain't all like that" that comes with it.

Joe McCarthy
12-03-2010, 01:35 AM
Originally Posted by Debaser11
But if you talk to the average white where I live they are likely to at least parrot those official lines promulgated by Marxist turncoats that run European societies. Of course, they don't really believe it deep down (or so I suspect). But there is a level of tolerance that exists within them nonetheless. (They want to be good people after all, don't you see!)

I think our government is much less liberal, but our people have shown they will tolerate quite a lot of bullshit from nonwhites and still not wish them any general ill will. A true testament to the kind nature of whites if there ever was one.


I've argued elsewhere that the US is the most racialist country in history; certainly not now, but historically. I won't go over that again, but I think it's important to take history and legacy into play. We have a history of 'racism' that's on a level that almost no one matches. Though it's been diluted, and our old racial laws overthrown, our people can't have this cultural predisposition completely bred out of them, especially as compared to many other Western states, which had little of this 'institutional racism' to begin with.

Debaser11
12-03-2010, 01:45 AM
I've argued elsewhere that the US is the most racialist country in history; certainly not now, but historically. I won't go over that again, but I think it's important to take history and legacy into play. We have a history of 'racism' that's on a level that almost no one matches. Though it's been diluted, and our old racial laws overthrown, our people can't have this cultural predisposition completely bred out of them, especially as compared to many other Western states, which had little of this 'institutional racism' to begin with.

But at least a Swede knows who he is. A Dane knows who he is. An Italian knows who he is. We used to have white ethnicity. Then we intermixed. And now many whites even cringe at that label or just say it's not valid. If I'm not white, then honestly, what am I? Nothing? Many whites here in America can barely tell me where they can trace their blood back to and this includes some fairly conservative people.

I'm not so much saying that we are less racist than Europe. I'm more saying that comparing our racism to Europe's brand is comparing apples and oranges. Most whites here genuinely want the mult-cultural model to work even with less radical fancy Marxist lipservice that comes from European governments. But they are still skeptical of minorities until they can prove themselves better. They want the model to work despite having come fully face to face with the nonwhite abyss. Europeans in Denmark and the Netherlands are just getting acquainted with the abyss despite being tolerant and having minorities within their borders for decades. But only now are they finding out what it's like to have your power and whole culture genuinely threatened on some level. Whole cities are now being lost to nonwhite hordes in Europe the way American cities were lost to them many years before. We have the real deal track record compared to Europeans. We don't talk the big talk. But we sure walk multi-culti walk in spirit if not actuality.

Grumpy Cat
12-03-2010, 02:26 AM
Kinda sad that French Quebecers are regarded less favorably than Jews and immigrants. I'm unsure what that says exactly.

English people are taught to disdain French-Canadians as being "racists" because we preserve our culture, something they don't do.

I'm not from Quebec but get the same attitude.

Beorn
12-03-2010, 09:58 AM
Northern Ireland actually does.

Why would it? Both sides have an amazing propensity for bigotry and racism.

They made my nationalist nature "wake up" whilst living there. No other choice.

Vasconcelos
12-03-2010, 10:19 AM
I'm supprised Switzerland isn't near the top :)

Turkophagos
12-03-2010, 10:36 AM
I'd prefer not to have neighbours at all, what does this make me?

Joe McCarthy
12-04-2010, 08:27 PM
Originally Posted by Debaser11
Most Americans I encounter seem cool with that big ole mosque when the subject comes up. They hate Glenn Beck. Even our conservative pundits differentiate between "the good Muslims" and the "ones who abuse their faith." If that's not some incredible will power trending toward the idea of acceptance and eventual multiculturalism from a country that was attacked by such people, I don't know what is.


I don't think you quite appreciate the contrast between America and Europe on this matter. After 9-11 America was screaming for war and demanding retribution. Compare that with the European reaction to Madrid, where much of the European press and leadership indulged in an orgy of self-loathing blaming themselves for being 'oppressive' and bringing on the bombing while calling for 'dialogue' with jihadist bombers.

Sure, things are far from great here on these issues, but one has to really see the deep spiritual sickness that afflicts modern Europe to appreciate that far from the grass being greener on the other side, Europe is dying of need for water altogether.

Debaser11
12-05-2010, 06:56 AM
I don't think you quite appreciate the contrast between America and Europe on this matter.

I don't understand. I spent my whole last post doing nothing but addressing the historical contrast between the two that has to lead to my view.


After 9-11 America was screaming for war and demanding retribution. Compare that with the European reaction to Madrid, where much of the European press and leadership indulged in an orgy of self-loathing blaming themselves for being 'oppressive' and bringing on the bombing while calling for 'dialogue' with jihadist bombers.

America's attitude about war with foreign civilizations, while related to racism on some level, should not be conflated with how citizens actually view other individuals simply by virtue of them being from another race. Last I checked, our armed services were very multi-cultural and even the war rhetoric itself after 9/11 stridently went through great lengths to avoid casting this as a conflict in terms of race or even religion to some degree. While some conservative commentators (who mostly sit on the margins of society) did mention the religious aspect, race was not touched with a ten foot pole. Compare that to how we viewed Germans for sinking the Lisutania. I wouldn't get too hung up on the fact that we're a more trigger happy people today even if a healthy race must be ready to fight. And I also wouldn't get too hung up on the rhetoric that comes from the socialist thugs who run Europe. There are many racists that are still alive and kicking in Europe. Whites on both sides probably come closer to a meeting of the minds once all the baggage is stripped away. This is just a hunch I have.

So again, I'm not saying that we're less racist. In fact, we might be more racist. But we've been through more than Europe. Nonwhites have done way more damage (so to speak) to whites here than they have to whites in Europe. And that distinction is important, I think. And that's what prompted me to comment about how white Americans are remarkably "anti-racist."


Sure, things are far from great here on these issues, but one has to really see the deep spiritual sickness that afflicts modern Europe to appreciate that far from the grass being greener on the other side, Europe is dying of need for water altogether.

I do think America in many ways has a more healthy collective consciousness than Europe. I just don't think the gulf between white Americans and Europe on the subject of race is as wide as people think it is, sometimes.

Joe McCarthy
12-06-2010, 07:21 PM
Originally Posted by Debaser11
And I also wouldn't get too hung up on the rhetoric that comes from the socialist thugs who run Europe.

To a large degree weak governments are merely reflective of the weak people they represent. I think it is a misnomer to even call these socialists 'thugs'. That implies they are masculine. These pacifist degenerates were de-balled decades ago.

Detfri
12-09-2010, 03:10 PM
So, the most racist countries are:
1) N.Ireland
2) Greece
3) Italy

And, is it bad or not?
Anyway I live in Italy and people here think to be the less racist people of the world. :confused:
Are we nazis without knowing it?
And Greece? When I went to Greece people were fantastic, so friendly, though I know that they are in good relations with Italians but not at all with Turkey. I think that we are conservators, not racist, and are just defending from muslims becouse our countries are close to us and we have an history behind that teaches us to remain warning.

Detfri
12-09-2010, 03:17 PM
My personal point of view, as I am a rapresentant of one the top 3.

Living next to people of other ethnicities:
no problems with other Europeans and Chineses.

Living next to a muslim family:
honestly it would annoy me pretty much, becouse they rapresent everything that Italy has fought for centuries. Though I am not atheist I understand the difference between a muslim and a christian society. I don't care that they are catholic, protestant or orthodox, but muslims are not welcome.

Living next to homosexuals:
no problem.

Living next to a roma/gispy family: :mad: NO!

antonio
12-09-2010, 03:52 PM
As direct consequence of people's upset on the "Thirdworldist" behaviour of many of the fastest growing inmigrant population on all Europe, racism is growing at fast pace in Spain, is reaching the level of being more politically correct (at least among average common-sense people) than tolerance with inmigrants. And, believe me, modern Spaniards are very sensitive to what is and what is not socially aceptable and to their own public image. This is a kind of monolitic society, not at all like the Italian one, an exhuberant one where many dissimilar ways of being in the world are publicly exposed without shame. So, dont underestimate Spanish racist "potential".

Ps. In fact if things keep on going that way, a lone-wolf like me will be sooner than later becoming the Leftist moron like the ones I used to abhor. :cool:

Atlas
12-09-2010, 06:02 PM
Second, America is VERY anti-Muslim compared to most of Europe.

Muslims are definitely not popular on our continent. No need to even read the PC or not PC foras, you just need to check most of Europeans countries latest elections results and you'll see the far-right parties skyrocketing especially in most Western European democracies.


If Europeans were as anti-Muslim as Americans, they wouldn't be getting flooded by Islam.

There's nothing much we can do about it. Just like there are not so many solutions for the US-Mexico border. Just hope for more conservative and anti-immigrants politicians and parties, and even those I don't know if we can trust them in the end.