Afrikaners

[Loki]

General thread about them, their anthropology, history, etc.

Some notable Afrikaners:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ea/Kruger_old_age.jpg

Paul Kruger


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/Andries_Pretorius.jpg

Andries Pretorius


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/Louis_Botha.png

Louis Botha


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9b/JBM_Hertzog.jpg

JBM Hertzog


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/JanSmutsFM.png

Jan Smuts


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Eugenemarais.jpg

Eugene Marais


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/Andr%C3%A9_Brink_Portrait.jpg/524px-Andr%C3%A9_Brink_Portrait.jpg

André Brink


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6e/J.M._Coetzee.JPG

J. M. Coetzee


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c9/Charlize_cropped.jpg

Charlize Theron

[Joe McCarthy]

Probably the one I most admire: Verwoerd

http://en.academic.ru/pictures/enwiki/86/Verwoerd_3.jpg

[Loki]

Probably the one I most admire: Verwoerd

http://en.academic.ru/pictures/enwiki/86/Verwoerd_3.jpg

He wasn't an Afrikaner, he was born in the Netherlands.

[The Lawspeaker]

Probably the one I most admire: Verwoerd

http://en.academic.ru/pictures/enwiki/86/Verwoerd_3.jpg


Verwoerd was born in Amsterdam, the Netherlands. He is not Afrikaans but Dutch. ;)

[Joe McCarthy]

He wasn't an Afrikaner, he was born in the Netherlands.

Hmmm, yes, I remember that now. Would he not qualify in an assimilationist sense?

[The Lawspeaker]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Afrikaner_Commandos2.JPG
Boer guerrillas during the Second Boer War.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_wRL2ZXOSW0Y/RzvMh6VnlQI/AAAAAAAAABw/rkCkq_YL0GI/s320/PoorAfrikanerFeedingScheme_Solidarity_Sept2007.jpg

http://www.roepstem.net/img/broederbond.gif

http://www.stolaf.edu/people/lund/Afrikaner.jpg

http://www.digitaljournal.com/img/2/5/7/7/3/3/i/4/5/5/p-medium/AfrikanerMembership_UnrepresentedNations_PeoplesOr ganisationOct2008.jpg

[Loki]

Hmmm, yes, I remember that now. Would he not qualify in an assimilationist sense?

Yeah I guess he would qualify. But I'm talking in general about people who have belonged to this group for at least a few centuries in their families.

[Loki]

[FONT="Georgia"]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Afrikaner_Commandos2.JPG
Boer guerrillas during the Second Boer War.


http://www.britishbattles.com/great-boer-war/siege-ladysmith/sl4.jpg

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/victorians/images/boer_boers.jpg

[Grumpy Cat]

A band who's CD I've had on repeat for the past month:

http://www.metal4africa.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/crow-black-sky.jpg

EDIT: A better picture of the guys...

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/168373_306582139945_47611314945_1283145_6424543_n. jpg

[Loki]

EDIT: A better picture of the guys...

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/168373_306582139945_47611314945_1283145_6424543_n. jpg

The two guys at the right look a bit odd ... are they from the Cape?

[Grumpy Cat]

The two guys at the right look a bit odd ... are they from the Cape?

Yes. I don't know, their bass player (second guy from the right) has a Portuguese-sounding surname, almost.

Here's another band from SA I've been into, they more conform to the stereotypical looks (plus, stereotypical surnames of the members).

http://www.metal-archives.com/images/8/6/9/6/86968_photo.jpg

Except for that guy in the front. Was he chasing parked cars??? :lol:

He looks better with a beard:

http://www.metal4africa.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/mind-assault.jpg

[Loki]

Oh, now I love Italian women even more ... :heartbea: ... just read an interesting historical bit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrikaners#Migrations):



If it were not for an Italian woman by the name of Thérèsa Viglione none of the Boer in Natal would have survived. She was a trader who camped near the Trekkers with three Italian men and three wagons to trade. During the attack by the Zulus on Bloukrans, she fearlessly charged down the banks of the Boesmans River on a horse to warn the laager of Gerrit Maritz against the oncoming Zulus. Because of her action, the Boers were forewarned and could defend themselves - many lives were saved.

[Stormraaf]

How about some very randomly chosen Afrikaner actors & actresses besides Charlize Theron? ...

Arnold Vosloo:

http://www.superiorpics.com/pictures2/6516_vosloo_arnold_013.jpg

Michel Burghers (I remembered Charlie Jade, in which she portrayed Essa Rompkin; sort of hard to find good pictures of her):

http://guide.charliejade.net/img/panel_tallimages/254w/essarompkin_002.jpg
http://guide.charliejade.net/img/panel_tallimages/254w/essarompkin_003.jpg
http://img.kbs.co.kr/cms/end_program/2tv/enter/charliejade/images/cast2.jpg

From a spot-search on a KykNet website: Stefan Ludik (Namibian Afrikaner) & Milan Murray:

http://www.tvsa.co.za/images/shows/t/transito_3.jpg

Another picture of Milan Murray, because I can:

http://ubuhle.com/fullphotos/milan-murray-ef9a5.jpg

Gys de Villiers (the first hit if you google "Die Vierde Kabinet" :D):

http://gossipguysa.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/gysdevillierscomp.jpg

I don't own a TV, so perhaps someone else could better name the more "current" Afrikaner actors.

[Curtis24]

Have any of you ever read "The Covenant" by James Michener?

[Osweo]

http://wikus.co.za/wp-content/woo_uploads/510-awesomeness_DIY.jpg

http://static2.ucm.co.za/media/heat_coza/articles/2010/04/_thumbs/VicusThumb_png_618x999_q85.jpg

Fokken great.

Video of Wikus and Charlize Theron;
http://heat.co.za/video/wikus-and-charlizes-sama-video/4618/

[Óttar]

At the beginning of the thread, those are some dark Dutch + Huguenot people, some even look like gooks. And that frontman does look like a mong.

[Loki]

At the beginning of the thread, those are some dark Dutch + Huguenot people, some even look like gooks. And that frontman does look like a mong.

Thanks for your valuable insight. Please be more specific though. Who looked like 'gooks'?

[Stormraaf]

http://wikus.co.za/wp-content/woo_uploads/510-awesomeness_DIY.jpg

Sharlto Copley, who portrayed Wikus van der Merwe in District 9, is actually not an Afrikaner but an Anglo-African (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-African). Same goes for Vanessa Haywood (http://www.hotflick.net/flicks/2009_District_9/009DT9_Vanessa_Haywood_003.jpg) who played the part of Wikus's wife. The Afrikaners in that film were all in very minor roles, i.e. nameless MNU mercenary, quasi-anonymous MNU businessman, etc.


At the beginning of the thread, those are some dark Dutch + Huguenot people, some even look like gooks.

At least the two Loki pointed out do indeed look like Cape Coloureds and not Afrikaners. Coloureds have a large ancestral component from Indonesia, from there perhaps the "gook" looks you noticed (which I didn't; they just look like plain Coloureds to me).

Oh, and I remembered this picture from the decor in a pub here in Stellenbosch:


http://www.britishbattles.com/great-boer-war/siege-ladysmith/sl4.jpg

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=247&pictureid=1800

http://www.travelstart.com/street/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Mystic-Boer.jpeg

Which, by the way, is the best decor for a pub in South Africa I've yet seen. :)

[Eins Zwei Polizei]

Oh, now I love Italian women even more ... :heartbea: ... just read an interesting historical bit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrikaners#Migrations):


If it were not for an Italian woman by the name of Thérèsa Viglione none of the Boer in Natal would have survived. She was a trader who camped near the Trekkers with three Italian men and three wagons to trade. During the attack by the Zulus on Bloukrans, she fearlessly charged down the banks of the Boesmans River on a horse to warn the laager of Gerrit Maritz against the oncoming Zulus. Because of her action, the Boers were forewarned and could defend themselves - many lives were saved.
Her name sounded Piedmontese to my ears (apparently an adaptation of French "Villon") and I thought she might have been a Protestant from the Alps. That's apparently the case (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theresa_Viglione):


Theresa Viglione was an Italian and South African woman famous for saving the lives of many Voortrekkers in 1836 when she warned a group of them of an impending attack initiated by Zulu king Dingane. She is immortalized on a frieze in a Voortrekker monument in Pretoria, South Africa

Born to an Italian family originally from Piedmont, Theresa [most likely born Teresa; EZP] Viglione moved to South Africa with her family in the early 19th century. Her family is believed to have belonged to the Valdese congregation, a Protestant church in western Piedmont, whose members were forced to flee Piedmont—then part of the Sardinian Kingdom —because of discrimination against Protestants by the local authorities.

On February 6, 1838, a group of Voortrekkers and their servants went to negotiate with the Zulu king Dingane. The party was led by Piet Retief, an Afrikaner leader. The king received Retief and his group at his cattle-kraal, and they began to discuss a treaty amending a previous treaty signed in January 1836. Initially he was obstructive about drawing up the treaty, but eventually he signed it. He invited the Voortrekkers to share some sourgbeer with him. The trekkers left their muskets outside, entered the kraal and sat at the King’s feet. While beer was served the surrounding warriors began to dance and shout. The King leapt to his feet and yelled ”buladani abatagati!” (“Kill the wizards!”). The Voortrekkers were taken to be executed. They were impaled and their bodies left on a hillside to be eaten by wild animals, as was Dingane's custom with his enemies. Piet Retief was the last to be killed. Dingane gave orders for the Voortrekker laagers to be attacked, which would have plunged the migrant movement into disarray.
The Zulus headed towards Natal to annihilate the rest of the Voortrekkers, who were encamped in the countryside watered by the rivers Bloukrans, Bushman and Mooi streams. Gerrit Maritz, the acting commander in Retief’s absence, was near Bushmans River. The Zulus, with a total strength of about three regiments, almost killed all of the Lieberberg, Prinsloo, Botha, and Bezuidenhouts laagers. A band of Italian traders were encamped not far from the laagers, where many women and children were killed. Theresa Viglione was one of them. When she saw what was happening, she jumped on a horse and rode off to Bushmans River to Maritz' camp and warned everyone there, allowing them to defend themselves.

By the way I wasn't aware of this magnificent monument:

http://www.safarinow.com/db/id/504546/504546a.jpg

[Eins Zwei Polizei]

Is this true - does that quintessential Afrikaner name, Botha, really come from such a typical Northern Italian name like Botta?


Some of the persecuted Waldensians went to the Netherlands (via France) and were later offered to settle in South Africa, to work for the Dutch East India Company. Arriving in South Africa, however, they were no more distinguished from the French Huguenots. The transcription of their surnames resulted in all sorts of misspellings. Most probably, argues Sani (1990:11-19), this is how Viglione became “Viljoen”, Botta became “Botha”, Lombard/o became “Lombaard” and so on. (link (http://www.allofliferedeemed.co.uk/Coletto/KOERS2010.pdf))


Italians were among the first European immigrants landing at the Cape, their small numbers bolstered in 1688 by Valdesi religious refugees from Piedmont arriving with the French Huguenots. Author Gabriele Sani’s definitive History of the Italians in South Africa even suggests that seemingly typical Afrikaans names like, ‘Malan, Lombard/Lombaard (Lombardi), Albertyn (Albertino/Albertini) and perhaps in some cases even Botha (Botta)’ are undoubtedly of Piedmontese or Savoyard origin.

(link (http://www.sandtonmag.co.za/pages/421483389/Articles/2008/November/la-dolce-vita.asp#ixzz1Hvu3FAjb))

While Lombaard and Albertyn are quite unmistakable and Malan is a good Waldensian (as well as French Huguenot) name, I'd rather think Botta could have been easily absorbed into a preexisting Germanic name:


Recorded in some twenty spelling forms ranging from the popular Afrikans Botha, and Bote, Bott, Both, Bothe, the Dutch Bode and Bodes, and the patronymics Boden, Bading and sometimes Baden, this is a surname of German origins. It has two possible origins. The first being that it is a development of the pre 7th century personal name 'Botho' meaning a messenger, itself from the even earlier word 'buo' meaning to announce. The second possibility is that in the surname spelling as Baden, and possibly also in some instances of Bohden and Boden, the name is locational from the former city state of Baden, and possibly the royal house of Baden. This is proved by the early recording of Rutschmann von Baden, in the charters of Obereggenen, Mulheim, in the year 1398. For many centuries upto quite recently Germany was a divided country, and one of many specific dialects, some so strong as to virtually constitute separate languages. An understanding of this situation helps the reader to understand why for instance such disimilar names as Both and Bading are from the same origins. Early examples of the surname recordings incude Tideric Bote of Koln in the year 1150, and Kountz die Boten of Konigsbach in 1344. A later recording is that of Frederich Botha, the son of Michael Botha, at Gangenheim, Sachsen-Coburg-Gotha, on May 4th 1653, and Veltun Bote, at Feudinge, Westfalen on July 1st 1574. The Botha's have been established and prominent in South Africa since 1672, where the surname is of Dutch-Frisian origins.
(link (http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Botha#ixzz1HvwuM5WM))

By the way not all Protestant Waldensians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldensians) have fled from Piedmont; their center is still in the Western Alps. They're affiliated with Reformed churches and their little capital (Torre Pellice) is one of my and my girlfrrend's favourite places to go (she lives nearby there). And now I know this South African New World connection.

[The Lawspeaker]

Wel.. the word lommerd was already in common use in those days. It dates back to mediaeval Italy but not as recent as the 17th century. People in those days also took the name of their jobs.

[Stormraaf]

While Lombaard and Albertyn are quite unmistakable and Malan is a good Waldensian (as well as French Huguenot) name, I'd rather think Botta could have been easily absorbed into a preexisting Germanic name:

This is true for other cases where the original surnames were phonetically close to Botha as well. Present day Bothas therefor don't necessarily share the same immigrant progenitor. At least Both (German origin), Bode (Germanised version of French Boudier) and given the above info probably Botta too were all collapsed into the Afrikaner Botha.

source: Die Groot Afrikaanse Familienaamboek

P.S. Somewhere in one of the Botha lines a non-European was absorbed, and overlooking the fact that there were in fact multiple Botha progenitors is one of the common mistakes made by propagandists overestimating the amount of non-European ancestry shared amongst Afrikaners.

[perikolez]

I supose that an afrikaner is all white person that speak afrikaans as mother language, because afrikaner have variety of origins and surnames. They can have dutch, german, french or even english surnames.

are there afrikaner majority villages apart from Orania?. There are many afrikaans speaking cities and towns , but most of then are coloureds. I think that apart from some Pretoria-northern Cape Town neighboroughs, there arent afrikaner majority villages or areas.

[Grumpy Cat]

From a spot-search on a KykNet website: Stefan Ludik (Namibian Afrikaner) & Milan Murray:

http://www.tvsa.co.za/images/shows/t/transito_3.jpg



HOT!!!!

(I mean the dude, obviously)

[la bombe]

For some reason, every Afrikaner I've met IRL has been good-looking :p

[Grumpy Cat]

For some reason, every Afrikaner I've met IRL has been good-looking :p

I used to work with one who looked like David Hasselhoff. :D:D:D I razzed him so much!

Come to think of it, the Hoff is Dutch, isn't he?

[Grumpy Cat]

HOT!!!!

(I mean the dude, obviously)

ACK!!! I just Googled this guy and he is GAY!!!!

What a waste. :cry2

[The Lawspeaker]

^ Hahaha ! :D

[Grumpy Cat]

^ Hahaha ! :D

I'd make him straight. :wink

[Loki]

are there afrikaner majority villages apart from Orania?. There are many afrikaans speaking cities and towns , but most of then are coloureds. I think that apart from some Pretoria-northern Cape Town neighboroughs, there arent afrikaner majority villages or areas.

Well, this is a slight misunderstanding. Every large town (and even small ones) in the Transvaal and Free State have a neighbouring black township, dwarfing the Afrikaner populations. But Afrikaans-majority white neighborhoods ... there are plenty of them in those regions. And, there are not many Coloureds at all, aside from in the big cities of the Transvaal. Coloureds are mostly confined to the Cape regions.

Orania has been well-publicized, but not even 0.1% of Afrikaners live there.

[Loki]

ACK!!! I just Googled this guy and he is GAY!!!!

What a waste. :cry2

Moffies ... :tsk: :D

[Peyrol]

At the high school i've a classmate who was born in Durban, from a italian father and a boer mother (from Transvaal), who after 1994 moved to Turin with all the family.

His mom and the entire family of mom's side were very nice, honest, kind and respectful people.

I hope in a better future for the whole Boer nation and for all the Afrikaners of S.A.

[perikolez]

Well, this is a slight misunderstanding. Every large town (and even small ones) in the Transvaal and Free State have a neighbouring black township, dwarfing the Afrikaner populations. But Afrikaans-majority white neighborhoods ... there are plenty of them in those regions. And, there are not many Coloureds at all, aside from in the big cities of the Transvaal. Coloureds are mostly confined to the Cape regions.

Orania has been well-publicized, but not even 0.1% of Afrikaners live there.

I think that there are many coloureds in south west Free State,curiosly the only region of Free State where afrikaans is the most spoken language. Bloemfontein has many afrikaners , but 70% are blacks who speak sesotho or setswana. Coloureds are 3 millions and afrikaners are 3 millions, but coloureds dominate western and northern cape, and even parts of eastern cape, and in most of these zones , afrikaans is the most spoken language. But afrikaners in my opinion are too dispersed , and not concentrated in a region. There are many afrikaners in Transvaal, and there are many whites neighboroughs , but it is not enough to call it afrikaner territory or homeland, while coloureds can say that Cape regions or even southern Namibia are their homelands.

[Stormraaf]

Err... sorry about putting the moffie's picture up - I only checked the Wikipedia page on him to ascertain whether he's Afrikaner or not, which didn't say a word about him being "fabulous". :embarrassed He was only included because of the girl in the picture anyway. ;)


Every large town (and even small ones) in the Transvaal and Free State have a neighbouring black township, dwarfing the Afrikaner populations. But Afrikaans-majority white neighborhoods ... there are plenty of them in those regions. And, there are not many Coloureds at all, aside from in the big cities of the Transvaal. Coloureds are mostly confined to the Cape regions.

Most Western Cape towns actually have a similar configuration, only with Coloureds instead of Bantus dominating the numbers. The two towns I've lived in are fairly typical, consisting of a few predominantly Afrikaner neighbourhoods, one or more predominantly Coloured neighbourhoods, and a township inhabited by the poorest Coloureds and Xhosas. The white neighbourhoods with the cheapest living space are now always being encroached upon by Coloureds moving in, which is how the demography of some of these neighbourhoods will eventually change to Coloured-only.


while coloureds can say that Cape regions or even southern Namibia are their homelands.

Two recent developments reinforce this premise: Coloured resistance against the legislation that racial quotas for employment should be based on national instead of provincial demography, and the growing support for Cape independence, which seems to be based mainly on Coloured solidarity.

[perikolez]

Every racial quota is racist, but making racial cuotas based in national statistics in a hetereogenous country as South Africa is directly the same to pseudoapartheid ancient regime, because bantus could get all the jobs in provinces like Northern Cape when they are not more than 30% in that province.

[Stormraaf]

To get back on topic, some anonymous Afrikaners, apparently from a photographic documentary on young Afrikaners:

More at the source (http://roelofvanwyk.wordpress.com/); I'm posting only six of the fourteen pictures available.

http://roelofvanwyk.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/natasja__head.jpg

http://roelofvanwyk.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/adri_screen1.jpg

http://roelofvanwyk.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/frans_screen.jpg

http://roelofvanwyk.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/annelie_01.jpg

http://roelofvanwyk.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/jurie-jan__lo-res.jpg

http://roelofvanwyk.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/juanita.jpg

[Gaztelu]

After Europe gets its shit together, we should go and save the Afrikaners.

[The Lawspeaker]

After Europe gets its shit together, we should go and save the Afrikaners.
If there are any left by then...

[Gaztelu]

If there are any left by then...

Good point. Most of them would have emigrated by then.

By the way, are there any Afrikaners coming to the Netherlands?

[The Lawspeaker]

Some.. most are going to Britain because Britain's asylum rules are more welcoming then our own. Regrettably so. :rolleyes2:

[Loki]

Some.. most are going to Britain because Britain's asylum rules are more welcoming then our own. Regrettably so. :rolleyes2:

No. Afrikaners don't claim asylum in Britain. They get there on working visas.

[Grumpy Cat]

Yeah I've only heard of some who got asylum in Canada. One guy in Ottawa and then another family in Vancouver. The folks in Vancouver got asylum because one of their kids had a rare genetic condition where they couldn't go out in the sun, so Canada would be better than South Africa for them for obvious reasons.

[The Lawspeaker]

No. Afrikaners don't claim asylum in Britain. They get there on working visas.
Thanks. I thought they got asylum there. Well.. thank heavens they are being let in regardless.

[Loki]

Thanks. I thought they got asylum there. Well.. thank heavens they are being let in regardless.

Well, they are not being "let in" in masses. Only those who can afford it make the move. Visa requirements are strict. But it is still easier to go to the UK than to, say, Netherlands. Other popular choices for Afrikaners are Australia, New Zealand, the US and Canada.

[Grumpy Cat]

Actually, I forgot about in the case of the family with the kid with the genetic disorder, Canada didn't want to admit them as citizens when they applied, and tried to deport them. Canada has a thing against granting citizenship to sick people, but the thing is, the kid wasn't sick as long as he was living there, and was able to play sports and do normal kid stuff (and as an adult, work) which he couldn't do in SA. Anyways, one of the local Indian tribes heard of the story and let them move onto the reserve since the police cannot deport people from Indian land, and also "adopted" them into the tribe (I'm assuming they have a ritual like some other tribes do). So, maybe they don't count, because they are no longer Afrikaners but Salish, I believe.

[Loki]

Some Afrikaner policemen among black ones, fighting in a township.

http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/safrica_06_27/safrica7.jpg

[Stormraaf]

Regarding Afrikaners emigrating to Britain (and other Anglo countries) more easily than the Netherlands: there's more to that phenomenon than relative ease at getting working visas. For most Afrikaners English is, as the lingua franca, part of everyday life in South Africa itself, and Afrikanerdom has adopted quite some cultural elements from Anglo-African society. The Dutch language, on the other hand, has completely fallen out of use in South Africa long ago, and there are no strings left between Afrikaner society and a cultural use of Dutch. Also, if you compare where the English, the Dutch and Afrikaners strike a balance on things like sincerity, politeness, straight-forwardness, and physical contact, you'll note that Afrikaners are in many ways closer to Anglos than the Dutch. Bottom line: I think Afrikaners intuitively feel that in Britain they'll adapt more easily. Regrettably, this would be a major factor in deciding where to try and emigrate to, and I say regrettably because IMO reconnecting with our progenitor people are always preferable to further Anglicization, despite the fact that the transition could be harder.

[Loki]

Regarding Afrikaners emigrating to Britain (and other Anglo countries) more easily than the Netherlands: there's more to that phenomenon than relative ease at getting working visas. For most Afrikaners English is, as the lingua franca, part of everyday life in South Africa itself, and Afrikanerdom has adopted quite some cultural elements from Anglo-African society. The Dutch language, on the other hand, has completely fallen out of use in South Africa long ago, and there are no strings left between Afrikaner society and a cultural use of Dutch. Also, if you compare where the English, the Dutch and Afrikaners strike a balance on things like sincerity, politeness, straight-forwardness, and physical contact, you'll note that Afrikaners are in many ways closer to Anglos than the Dutch. Bottom line: I think Afrikaners intuitively feel that in Britain they'll adapt more easily. Regrettably, this would be a major factor in deciding where to try and emigrate to, and I say regrettably because IMO reconnecting with our progenitor people are always preferable to further Anglicization, despite the fact that the transition could be harder.

Absolutely correct. For myself, I can understand and read Dutch 100% - but I am uncomfortable trying to speak it, because I would probably sound very stupid and make silly mistakes. English, on the other hand, is my second language and I am 100% fluent in it.

But you know what ... in my recent genetic testing I have found that I am in fact very close to the English. Same probably goes for most Afrikaners. We are more similar to English people than we have been made to believe. Dr McDonald even guessed me as English by looking at my DNA. He said "92% English". Weird huh? :confused:

[Grumpy Cat]

Dr McDonald even guessed me as English by looking at my DNA. He said "92% English". Weird huh? :confused:

McDonald said that about me, too. I don't believe that.

I think he uses English as one of his main reference populations.

Before, I was Orcadian, before that, on V2, he said French.

[perikolez]

Are there many afrikaners with english/british surnames?.

[Loki]

Are there many afrikaners with english/british surnames?.

There are, but less than with Dutch, German and French-derived surnames.

[Rochefaton]

McDonald said that about me, too. I don't believe that.

I think he uses English as one of his main reference populations.

Before, I was Orcadian, before that, on V2, he said French.

We are all English in the eyes of our Lord, Doug McDonald.

[Loki]

We are all English in eyes of our Lord, Doug McDonald.

English sounds a bit more plausible than Orcadian though, you've got to admit. ;)

[Grumpy Cat]

English sounds a bit more plausible than Orcadian though, you've got to admit. ;)

Actually Orcadian sounded more plausible given my father's ancestry.

[beaver]

Cental (Norternn) Eurorpean look + Easetern European look - what I see/