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Barreldriver
06-08-2011, 01:28 AM
Posting this here since it's military related but it's also physical fitness related so I'll post it here for now and if the mods want to relocate the thread feel free.

I know we've got some members here who have previously served, dunno if any are currently serving or how many are preparing to serve, figured I would post this and start a discussion as to whether or not the change is good/bad.

Seen some articles floating around about the US Army turning away from the APFT (Army Physical Fitness Test) which consists of 2 minutes timed situps and pushups and a two mile run to something called the ACRT (Army Combat Readiness Test):

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2011/03/army-first-look-at-new-pt-030411w/


It kicks off with a 400-meter run with a weapon. This enters into an obstacle course with low hurdles, high crawls and over-under obstacles to test individual movement techniques.

Soldiers then do a 40-yard casualty drag followed by a 40-yard run with ammo cans atop a balance beam.

Next come point, aim and move drills, followed by a 100-yard ammo can shuttle sprint.

The CRT wraps up with a 100-yard agility sprint.

The CRT is a balanced assessment of the Physical Readiness Training program, Hertling told Casey in his briefing.

The PRT incorporates sprinting, climbing drills and other high-intensity exercises that mimic the challenges soldiers face in combat.

Another article on the matter: http://calorielab.com/news/2011/03/02/army-combat-readiness-test/

The new Army “combat readiness” test moves beyond the traditional two-mile run, sit-up and push-up challenge to emphasize combat-specific fitness. Soldiers will run 400 meters with a rifle, navigate an obstacle course in full “battle rattle,” or combat gear; aim a rifle while crawling and jumping over obstacles, carry 40-pound ammunition boxes while running on a balance beam, complete an agility sprint on a cone-filled course, and drag a sandbag-filled sled to simulate rescuing a comrade from the battlefield, according to Fox News.

All soldiers and officers will undergo the Army combat readiness test annually; soldiers may have to also take the test before deployments. The new Army physical fitness tests are currently being tested at seven military installations, including Fort Sill, Fort Bragg, Fort Benning and Fort Leonard Wood, and should expand to all bases by August 2011.

I heard that this test was being done to prevent strain injuries that are had from doing traditional situps and pushups. I find the change a bit unsettling since I've been training to qualify for the former APFT so now a whole two months have been wasted training for an outdated test.

One thing I did find comforting is the switch to emphasis on shorter range burst running, something that I've trained with all my post-puberty life in football, track and field, jujutsu and such. Better at shuttle type running than I am at long distance running.

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Jägerstaffel
06-08-2011, 01:41 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20015281-10391704.html


The report found that 27 percent of young adults between the ages of 17 and 24 were too fat for military service, according to Scripps News.

Even those the Army deems slim enough to serve tend to be weaker and to have less stamina than recruits of previous generations - the result of years spent indulging in junk food and video games, according to Army officials who spoke with the Times.

"Kids are just not able to do push-ups," Curt Gilroy, the Pentagon's director of accessions, told the Army Times last year. "And they can't do pull-ups. And they can't run."

Can they defend us?

Barreldriver
06-08-2011, 01:48 AM
One thing I don't understand about the change is the elimination of the supposed "strain" that pushups and situps cause, I've never heard of anyone getting serious injury from pushups and situps.

Raskolnikov
06-08-2011, 01:50 AM
One thing I don't understand about the change is the elimination of the supposed "strain" that pushups and situps cause, I've never heard of anyone getting serious injury from pushups and situps.
Well, then maybe I can help: it is a lie.

Barreldriver
06-08-2011, 01:53 AM
Well, then maybe I can help: it is a lie.

My thoughts too, I want to know what kind of patsy can't do basic situps and pushups, if I can do 'em than any normal non mentally retarded person should be able to do so as well.

Raskolnikov
06-08-2011, 02:01 AM
if I can do 'em than any normal non mentally retarded person should be able to do so as well. Exactly. That's who's in now.

It makes sense. All other achievements are being flooded with idiots now. From what I've heard from normal people who joined the military is that it was made now, and I mean just now, very recent changes of the past couple years, to include people that would count as mentally retarded.

Psychonaut
06-08-2011, 09:27 AM
This is great news for anyone in uniform. The APFT is really garbage as an overall indicator of fitness and is particularly bad at estimating one's ability to perform combat tasks and drills.


One thing I don't understand about the change is the elimination of the supposed "strain" that pushups and situps cause, I've never heard of anyone getting serious injury from pushups and situps.

It's been known for a long time that situps are terrible for your lower back. That's why every non-Army service stopped doing them and switched to crunches. Push ups, when done as much as they are in the Army also tend to lead to much higher incidences of ganglion cysts in soldiers than in civilians (there's a reason I've got a big ass scar on my wrist ;)).

Aces High
06-08-2011, 09:47 AM
I heard that this test was being done to prevent strain injuries that are had from doing traditional situps and pushups. I find the change a bit unsettling since I've been training to qualify for the former APFT so now a whole two months have been wasted training for an outdated test.


I imagine its because the quality of recruit is getting worse and worse,so the standards get lower and lower.
The new test will probably involve waddling to the fridge and slurping down a shake then making it back to the sofa in under two minutes.
Hand eye co-ordintaion will invole switching channels on the remote.

I know in the UK it is.
The British army are crying out for people in the Parachute Regiment,Royal marines and SAS/SBS,but because they wont lower their entry requirements they cant fill the vacant slots.
Young men in the UK these days are as big a bunch of queers as they are in the US.
The basic fitness test is ok if you are going to be blanket stacker,REMF,or fat tanky...but believe me if you are thinking about joining a unit with a bit of punch you should be doing speed marches with a fifty pound pack and in the gym doing pull ups and push ups in the hundreds....because believe me when you get to basic training you wont know wether your arsehole has been drilled,bored or countersunk.

I joined up when i was seventeen,and as soon as you walk through the gates to do basic training and until you get out......you wont see any hang gliders,or canoes,or gliders like you do in the careers pamphlets....its hard fucking yakka all the way.

Bridie
06-08-2011, 11:28 AM
its hard fucking yakka all the way.Sounding like an Aussie convict there, Aces! :p

Barreldriver
06-08-2011, 02:36 PM
This is great news for anyone in uniform. The APFT is really garbage as an overall indicator of fitness and is particularly bad at estimating one's ability to perform combat tasks and drills.

That is a valid point you draw up, the ACRT does seem to incorporate more movements that would be performed while in combat.




It's been known for a long time that situps are terrible for your lower back. That's why every non-Army service stopped doing them and switched to crunches. Push ups, when done as much as they are in the Army also tend to lead to much higher incidences of ganglion cysts in soldiers than in civilians (there's a reason I've got a big ass scar on my wrist ;)).

Never knew about pushups causin' ganglion cysts, interesting.

Money Shot
08-16-2011, 12:35 AM
Once again we see the U.S. Army copying the U.S.M.C.


No disrespect to the Army, but they do seem to adopt the more practical aspects of training developed by the Marines. Before I retired from the Corps we went to a Combat Fitness Test (CFT). This test incorporated an ammo can shuttle run, a casualty evacuation run, ammo can lift, a 440 yard sprint and some other thing that kicked my old and soon to be retired ass.


Ten years of continual low intensity warfare has contributed to the Army's improved outlook on training it's combat arms troops.

Barreldriver
08-16-2011, 01:07 AM
I am curious with things floating around like the HAL-5 how fit will soldiers of the future even need to be?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_Assistive_Limb

Saw in a youtube vid that it supposedly enhances a persons strength by 5 times.

Piparskeggr
08-16-2011, 01:30 AM
When I was in the USAF Reserves back in the 80's and early 90's we did the usual run and body-weight exercises, but my career field had some sub-tests of its own, which involved weight bearing capability.

I was in combat engineering units; we had to be able to demonstrate an ability to lift 80#, repeatedly. Doesn't seem like much, but when you are building a runway out of 4' by 12' by 3" interlocking metal planks to a total size of 5000' by 150' in 3 days, after having filled and graded the area...along with setting up camp for the air unit that would be using the field...

We also trained in small unit infantry tactics for work party and base defense...

So, I can appreciate the realization that "Combat Speed and Agility" is more important than the ability to run for distance and do setting-up exercises.

Cail
08-16-2011, 03:51 PM
Push ups, when done as much as they are in the Army also tend to lead to much higher incidences of ganglion cysts in soldiers than in civilians (there's a reason I've got a big ass scar on my wrist ).

Not applicable if you do push-ups on your knuckles, as everyone should actually. Palm push-ups are for pussies.

Knuckle push-ups strengthen your wrist instead of hurting it, while at the same time strengthening the fist and knuckles for punching (and the body memorizes the proper position of the fist for punching too).

Sunray
09-16-2011, 11:18 PM
I don't know how it is in the US but in the UK the basic fitness test is precisely that. Weight carrying tests, obstacle courses and others exist too. The point of the basic is that anyone can prepare for it, with no particular expertise, and therefore the press-ups/sit-ups/run is simply simple. The average potential Private is not a genius and the army would not work if he was. This new style test sounds like something your average potential private will struggle to correctly train for and so will waste his time before joining the army.