What makes France so attractive to tourists?

[Thraex]

On a yearly average, France gets nearly 80 million tourists. What I don't understand is why would anyone want to go to France?

[Comte Arnau]

I wonder about the % of those 80 million that only go to Paris.

[Beorn]

The standard of living is "vibrant" and the politics of the 'Jew-in-command is red alert.

[Adalwolf]

The Eiffel tower and general prestige about Paris probably attracts many people.

[Tarja]

Disney Land and romance? ;) Also simply because Paris is fashionable.

[Beorn]

Disney Land and romance? ;) Also simply because Paris is fashionable.

http://www.sott.net/image/image/6099/burka.jpg

:thumb001:

[mymy]

http://juneeighteen.com/lindsay/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/french-romance.jpg
http://picslaw.co.cc/data/2011-05-07/french-wine-and-cheese.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_LikzyndVj-g/SNUi24rI4BI/AAAAAAAAhPw/JiT7mBvub0g/s400/Brian+Joubert24.jpg
http://hownottoactold.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/aix-en-provence.jpg
http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/img-set/BQcDAAAAAwoDanBnAAAABC5vdXQKFkVtS3JIZUxTM2hHQjhxeW RLZFdFSVEAAAACaWQKAXgAAAAEc2l6ZQ.jpg
And of course:
http://www.seafm.fr/images/mylene-farmer3.jpg
:D:D:D

[Aces High]

I go there to stock up on Dijon mustard.

[Hess]

http://juneeighteen.com/lindsay/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/french-romance.jpg
http://picslaw.co.cc/data/2011-05-07/french-wine-and-cheese.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_LikzyndVj-g/SNUi24rI4BI/AAAAAAAAhPw/JiT7mBvub0g/s400/Brian+Joubert24.jpg
http://hownottoactold.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/aix-en-provence.jpg
http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/img-set/BQcDAAAAAwoDanBnAAAABC5vdXQKFkVtS3JIZUxTM2hHQjhxeW RLZFdFSVEAAAACaWQKAXgAAAAEc2l6ZQ.jpg
And of course:
http://www.seafm.fr/images/mylene-farmer3.jpg
:D:D:D

You forgot the most important reason, it seems
http://bankequityloan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/c00a8d9c68bed01e_prostitute.jpg

[SwordoftheVistula]

Eiffel Tower mainly, also Notre Dame and museums in Paris.

British people go there to get cheap alcohol etc.

Otherwise it's expensive and boring, but everyone goes there because everyone else goes there.

[mymy]

You forgot the most important reason, it seems
http://bankequityloan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/c00a8d9c68bed01e_prostitute.jpg

Well, it is not what attracts me ;)

[Wanderlust]

Generally speaking Paris is beautiful.Most of people visit Paris for tourist attractions like the Eiffel tower,Arc de Triomphe and of course Louvre Museum.The Montmartre area which is considered to be bohème,is the most stinky place I've ever been.Full of drunk people peeing in public etc.

Many people though,visit the south of France.Never been there but it doesn't look bad at all.
http://www.ivebeenthere.co.uk/front/the-vieux-port-cannes.jpg

[Ouistreham]

Because France is addictive.

We have space, with more arable land than any other country in Europe and yet a low population density. Millions of Brits, Dutch, Germans, Italians etc. come here to enjoy our endless green and ever changing countryside, a luxury they cannot find in their crowded homes.

And we have everything Europe is made of.

The Netherlands? No, Arras, France:
http://photoenligne3.free.fr/PasdeCalais/Arras/GrandPlace/N2393.jpg

Belgium? No, Villeneuve-d'Ascq, France:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b3/Jielbeaumadier_chateau_flers1_2008.jpg/800px-Jielbeaumadier_chateau_flers1_2008.jpg

Italy? No, Côte d'Azur, France:
http://www.fond-ecran-image.fr/galerie-membre/france-nice/fance-vieux-nice.jpg

Germany? No, Kaysersberg, Alsace, France:
http://www.gite-en-alsace.net/alsace/Photos_alsace/Kaysersberg%20-%20Photo%20LE%20POGAM.jpg

England? No, Burgundy, France:
http://www.cheminsdememoire.gouv.fr/image/Est/Morvan/EstMorvandiouXL.jpg

Central Europe? No, again Burgundy:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4b/Morvan_bourgogne2.jpg

Denmark? No, Normandy, France:
http://image-photos.linternaute.com/image_photo/550/maisons-en-bois-foulbec-france-1002750528-1257050.jpg

Sweden? No, Jura, France:
http://www.gite-jura.biz/bibliotheque/Paysages/lac_ilay_jura_grande.jpg

Scotland? No, Auvergne, France:
http://www.sentier-nature.com/paroles/images/galerie/sentiers-ailleurs/cantal-chateau-val.jpg

Cornwall, Ireland? No, Brittany:
http://www.sitestouristiques.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/bretagne3.jpg

Switzerland? No, Savoy:
http://www.alyce-evasion.net/pics/1295373210.jpg

Central Spain? No, Haut-Languedoc, France:
http://a21.idata.over-blog.com/600x450/2/00/25/61/rando-sur-le-causse-m-jean-et-l-aigual/20080504-rando-causse-mejean--96-.jpg

Arizona? No, Languedoc, France:
http://ahahh.blog.lemonde.fr/files/2009/11/land-art-au-salagou-f-arnal-2009-01.1257531481.jpg

Some other regions are just as exciting as Iowa or Indiana:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/46/Beauce_France_1.jpg/800px-Beauce_France_1.jpg

Oh, and we have also the Old World's best surfing spots (in Hossegor, South-West):
http://www.linternaute.com/mer-voile/magazine/photo/le-quiksilver-pro-d-hossegor/image/quiksilver-pro-262228.jpg

[mymy]

http://rlv.zcache.com/vive_la_france_poster_french_restaurant_sports-p228189945282935171qzz0_400.jpg

[Karl]

France is one of the few European countries that the Americans know about, I have seen American TV shows where some typical Americans guessed that Paris is the capital of Europe and Europe is a single country...

France also has a nice geographic location and Paris has been hyped up quite a bit.

[Albion]

Paris, the landscapes, architecture, culture, history

[Wanderlust]

France also has a nice geographic location and Paris has been hyped up quite a bit.

True.They actually have everything:the Alps,Mediterranean Sea,ocean.

[gold_fenix]

i think the essence of France is only the South, the NorthWest and Paris

[Le duc d'Abrantès]

Paris is the most overrated capital city in Europe. Most of those obsessed with it, as I notice in several places, come from the "New World" (like the US, Australia, Canada...).

[Crossbow]

I've had good times in France, nothing to complain about that (culture, history, landscapes etc) , but I prefer to press down the accelerator and cross the Pyrenees.

[alzo zero]

Because France sums up pretty much all the cliches about Europe for tourists from other continents. It's like China to Asia.

I must say that I find Paris overrated too, but France is much more than just Paris in my opinion.

[Bridie]

I've only been briefly through a little of the Southern part of France, but I must say the countryside was beautiful. Love the architectural style of the houses also.

Apart from that, I don't have much of a desire to go to France simply because I don't like the French.

I think France is so popular as a holiday destination because they're still benefitting from their fame of old.

[Thraex]

Paris is the most overrated capital city in Europe. Most of those obsessed with it, as I notice in several places, come from the "New World" (like the US, Australia, Canada...).

Yeah, I agree. Most Americans are like OOH France! It's got culture and all that! Hearing that come from cultureless Americans of the McDonald Democracy is just lol.

[Adalwolf]

Yeah, I agree. Most Americans are like OOH France! It's got culture and all that! Hearing that come from cultureless Americans of the McDonald Democracy is just lol.

Says the Serb...

[The Lawspeaker]

Because France is addictive.

We have space, with more arable land than any other country in Europe and yet a low population density. Millions of Brits, Dutch, Germans, Italians etc. come here to enjoy our endless green and ever changing countryside, a luxury they cannot find in their crowded homes.

And we have everything Europe is made of.

The Netherlands? No, Arras, France:
http://photoenligne3.free.fr/PasdeCalais/Arras/GrandPlace/N2393.jpg

Belgium? No, Villeneuve-d'Ascq, France:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b3/Jielbeaumadier_chateau_flers1_2008.jpg/800px-Jielbeaumadier_chateau_flers1_2008.jpg



Germany? No, Kaysersberg, Alsace, France:
http://www.gite-en-alsace.net/alsace/Photos_alsace/Kaysersberg%20-%20Photo%20LE%20POGAM.jpg


Cornwall, Ireland? No, Brittany:
http://www.sitestouristiques.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/bretagne3.jpg

Switzerland? No, Savoy:
http://www.alyce-evasion.net/pics/1295373210.jpg


All of it is stolen land. Stolen from:

Flanders, Flanders, Germany, the Bretons themselves, and the people of Savoia. Yes -- I can make a fine country like that too. :coffee:

[Thraex]

Says the Serb...

We have 100 times more culture than Canada and America combined twice over.

[Albion]

All of it is stolen land. Stolen from:

Flanders, Flanders, Germany, the Bretons themselves, and the people of Savoia. Yes -- I can make a fine country like that too. :coffee:

Exactly. Part of Flanders, Alsace from Germany, Brittany. He also forgot Occitannia. France proper is mostly just rolling hills a countryside.

[Portukalos]

I think Ouistreham said it. France is quite big (second after Ukraine) and that's why. Though I agree totally with other members : Paris is very "hyped" by foreigners especially New Worlders.

[Loddfafner]

France is especially rich in Medieval monuments. It was one of the cores of civilization in the twelfth century. Whereas much of the Medieval layer of central Europe was obliterated in the 30 years war, enough of it survived France's comparatively minor destructive streaks: that of Louis XIV and of the Revolution. Louis, at least, made up for it with new construction as at Versailles. Being Napoleon's base, France was spared the havoc he wreaked on the lands he conquered. A few cities were lost in the Great War and its sequel, but the devastation was not as thorough as in, say, Germany.

As for the Eiffel tower, it is too much of a cliché to really appreciate. Those with a sense of history will find something epically important on just about every other block and never get near that tower and its long lines.

[Tel Errant]

Yes -- I can make a fine country like that too. :coffee:

Just do it.

The French could, and did.

[Svipdag]

I can't imagine.

[Portukalos]

I can't imagine.

A good % of them are Americans , you know.

[The Lawspeaker]

Just do it.

The French could, and did.
http://doldrieschteblogger.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/prinsenvlag.jpg

Don't you worry - we will. First Vlaanderen (including Zuid-Vlaanderen) and Wallonië will be taken back. Then Artesië, Oost-Friesland, Staats-Opper Gelre, Gulik, Kleef en het Graafschap Benthem.

From Eems to the Zoom.

[Loddfafner]

Frankly, I can't imagine.

Is the irony intentional?

[Peyrol]

Italy? No, Côte d'Azur, France:
http://www.fond-ecran-image.fr/galerie-membre/france-nice/fance-vieux-nice.jpg









...maybe Nizza/Nice looks italian because was italian until 1860?


Anyway, Paris is beautifil, but my favourite french lands are Provence (Nimes, Arles, Avignon) and Normandy.

[Comte Arnau]

I must say that I find Paris overrated too, but France is much more than just Paris in my opinion.

France is much more than Paris, but mainly for the French or people who know about France. The great bulge of tourists just concentrate on la cité de l'amour and all the tra la la, as the French say. Just like the bulge of tourists in Spain concentrate on the Med coast. I'd say Italy is a bit more diverse in the distribution of tourists, even if I guess that Rome and Venice attract the biggest pack.

[Ouistreham]

All of it is stolen land. Stolen from:

Flanders, Flanders, Germany, the Bretons themselves, and the people of Savoia. Yes -- I can make a fine country like that too. :coffee:

Most moronic comment ever.

It's like saying the Netherlands consists of provinces stolen from Limbourg (which is true BTW), from Brabant (which is also the case), from Frisia, from Zealand, from Overijssel, from Gelders, from Groningen...

And Holland itself has been stolen from Germany!

Time to give back the Netherlands to where they belong. Then there'll be some hope they learn to speak a serious culture language instead of their embarrassing Low German dialect. :)

[The Lawspeaker]

Most moronic comment ever.

It's like saying the Netherlands consists of provinces stolen from Limbourg (which is true BTW), from Brabant (which is also the case), from Frisia, from Zealand, from Overijssel, from Gelders, from Groningen...

And Holland itself has been stolen from Germany!

Time to give back the Netherlands to where they belong. Then there'll be some hope they learn to speak a serious culture language instead of their embarrassing Low German dialect. :)

First of all: learn your history. We were part of the Holy Roman Empire and their ruler fucked it. We rebelled it and we became independent. We lost our South and we could secure some. France however has been stealing territories from the day it came into existence. That's why the English disliked you so much as Normandy was part of the English Kingdom or actually the other way around and the French tried to nick it.

In 1918 the French took the German-speaking Alsace-Lorraine from Germany and in 1940 the Germans humiliated them (I still like that one eventhough I don't like the Germans).

Besides.. how did you get the Southern Netherlands ? Through theft and Frenchification.

[Albion]

Most moronic comment ever.

It's like saying the Netherlands consists of provinces stolen from Limbourg (which is true BTW), from Brabant (which is also the case), from Frisia, from Zealand, from Overijssel, from Gelders, from Groningen...

And Holland itself has been stolen from Germany!

Time to give back the Netherlands to where they belong. Then there'll be some hope they learn to speak a serious culture language instead of their embarrassing Low German dialect. :)

Correction - Netherlands was a unification of the Dutch inhabited areas.

France is a union of the oil language speakers ("French") and all the additional areas you've annexed. The French kid themselves that they're a continuation of Gaul so that they can lay claim to the stolen areas.
Its similar with Britain - artificial unification based around longings for a former Roman province.

Like Civis said, the French also trampled on England's claim to be their heir to the Angevin Empire and Normandy.

[Tel Errant]

in 1940 the Germans humiliated them (I still like that one eventhough I don't like the Germans).



The Germans were lucky.

[The Lawspeaker]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/Wernerprokla.jpg

pICq35lQ5WY

http://www.rankopedia.com/CandidatePix/17027.gif

Paris.. the world's most popular tourist destination. 100.000 Jerries couldn't be wrong.

[Comte Arnau]

Correction - Netherlands was a unification of the Dutch inhabited areas.

Such as Frisia?

[The Lawspeaker]

Such as Frisia?
Frisia signed the Oath of Abjuration and the Union of Utrecht as an equal partner in the rebellion and they were and are a province amongst all others.

[Comte Arnau]

Frisia signed the Oath of Abjuration and the Union of Utrecht as an equal partner in the rebellion and they were and are a province amongst all others.

And did it imply Dutchification of the territory?

[The Lawspeaker]

And did it imply Dutchification of the territory?
No.

[Tel Errant]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/Wernerprokla.jpg

We got paid back in 1918.
Besides, it gave birth to one of the most magnifique event of the 19th, La Commune.



pICq35lQ5WY

http://www.rankopedia.com/CandidatePix/17027.gif

Paris.. the world's most popular tourist destination. 100.000 Jerries couldn't be wrong.

Germans were lucky.

[The Lawspeaker]

We got paid back in 1918.
.
By continuing the French hobby: theft ? Haha you know why France won that war?

These four:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/Flag_-_Great_Britain.jpg/300px-Flag_-_Great_Britain.jpg

http://www.broadwaybanner.com/48StarFlag.JPG

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0d/Flag_of_Italy_%281861-1946%29_crowned.svg

http://signdirect.nl/web/files/images/galleries/Products/Vlaggen%20%26%20Vlaggenmasten/Vlag%20Belgie.jpg

They bled for the French land-grab and the discrimination of the Flemish.

[Peyrol]

Like Napoleone Buonaparte: a Tuscan man born in Corsica, which believed to be French.

[Thraex]

Correction - Netherlands was a unification of the Dutch inhabited areas.

France is a union of the oil language speakers ("French") and all the additional areas you've annexed. The French kid themselves that they're a continuation of Gaul so that they can lay claim to the stolen areas.
Its similar with Britain - artificial unification based around longings for a former Roman province.

Like Civis said, the French also trampled on England's claim to be their heir to the Angevin Empire and Normandy.

Ah yes, Western European Balkan Wars. http://th110.photobucket.com/albums/n82/Val_Strife/Emoticons/th_clap.gif

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/Hundred_years_war.gif/300px-Hundred_years_war.gif

[Aces High]

Italy is a bit more diverse in the distribution of tourists, even if I guess that Rome and Venice attract the biggest pack.

From what i have seen they can be divided into three groups.

1) Roman tourists.

2) Florence tourists.

3) Venetian tourists.

[Peyrol]

From what i have seen they can be divided into three groups.

1) Roman tourists.

2) Florence tourists.

3) Venetian tourists.

4) "nature tourist" (Lago di Garda, Cinque Terre, Lago Maggiore, Alto Adige, etc)
5) "food tourist" (Piemonte, Napoli, etc...)
6) "wanna-fuck-a-guido tourist" (Rimini, Riccione, Adria, Lignano, Sardegna...)

[Tel Errant]

By continuing the French hobby: theft ? Haha you know why France won that war?

These four:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/Flag_-_Great_Britain.jpg/300px-Flag_-_Great_Britain.jpg

http://www.broadwaybanner.com/48StarFlag.JPG

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0d/Flag_of_Italy_%281861-1946%29_crowned.svg

http://signdirect.nl/web/files/images/galleries/Products/Vlaggen%20%26%20Vlaggenmasten/Vlag%20Belgie.jpg

They bled for the French land-grab and the discrimination of the Flemish.

You forgot the most important one: http://www.christianvanneste.fr/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/drapeau-francais1.jpg

[The Lawspeaker]

You forgot the most important one: http://www.christianvanneste.fr/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/drapeau-francais1.jpg
Nah.. they let the others bleed for them.

http://www.exigotranslations.com/Images1/africa.png

[Tel Errant]

Like Napoleone Buonaparte: a Tuscan man born in Corsica, which believed to be French.

Napoléon became what he became because of France. What would an italian Bonaparte achieve?

Besides, he was just a second choice, Joubert was the first.

[Tel Errant]

Nah.. they let the others bleed for them.

http://www.exigotranslations.com/Images1/africa.png

You know you're wrong.

[Peyrol]

Napoléon became what he became because of France. What would an italian Bonaparte achieve?

Besides, he was just a second choice, Joubert was the first.

The National Unification in 1797 instead of 1861, for example.

[Thraex]

The National Unification in 1797 instead of 1861, for example.

But could you say Italians are one and same people? I don't think you can.

[Tel Errant]

The National Unification in 1797 instead of 1861, for example.

Nice.

Now compare with the French Empire.

[Peyrol]

But could you say Italians are one and same people? I don't think you can.

Yes, we are.
The difference north/south is only a cultural difference, not racial/ethnic.

The only diverse ethnicity are sardinian and deutschen-tirolers.

[Peyrol]

Nice.

Now compare with the French Empire.

No, thanks.

I don't want pathetic ivoriennes or maghrebs that pretends (or wants) to be "french". :laugh:

I can't imagine a wolof speaking piemonteis or bergamask :laugh:

[Thraex]

Yes, we are.
The difference north/south is only a cultural difference, not racial/ethnic.

The only diverse ethnicity are sardinian and deutschen-tirolers.

Hm, you're probably the first Italian who have ever said that. The North/South difference is also in the genes. The North is more influenced by Germanic invaders and South is more influenced by old stock Greeks and Italians. Cultural-wise though they're pretty similar and have largely assimilated into a single identity since the risorgimento.

[Tel Errant]

No, thanks.

I don't want pathetic ivoriennes or maghrebs that pretends (or wants) to be "french". :laugh:

I can't imagine a wolof speaking piemonteis or bergamask :laugh:

What does it have to do with the First Empire?

[Peyrol]

Hm, you're probably the first Italian who have ever said that. The North/South difference is also in the genes. The North is more influenced by Germanic invaders and South is more influenced by old stock Greeks and Italians. Cultural-wise though they're pretty similar and have largely assimilated into a single identity since the risorgimento.

Germanic influence in Italy is 8-10%.

Stop with this "Bossi's craps" of Lega Nord.

Italian indentity starts during the "wars" against Guelfi and Ghibellini (Papacy VS Empire)...italian unity was theorized since the times of Dante, and also Machiavelli talks about that in "Il Principe".

But this is a heavy OT.

[Comte Arnau]

But could you say Italians are one and same people? I don't think you can.

As if the French were one before being heavily Frenchified.

http://www.recits-occitan.com/images/occitan/france-langues.gif

[Peyrol]

What does it have to do with the First Empire?

The idea of a "french by heart and not by blood" starts in this times, don't you know?

[Crossbow]

No, thanks.

I don't want pathetic ivoriennes or maghrebs that pretends (or wants) to be "french". :laugh:

I can't imagine a wolof speaking piemonteis or bergamask :laugh:

La France black, blanc, beur.
That's what has become of 'La Grande Nation'.

[Karl der Große]

And did it imply Dutchification of the territory?
Not true at all. They have multiplied over the last two hundred.. years,http://www2.tresoar.nl/bs/Inwoners%20Friesland.pdf

Fryslân distinguishes itself from the other eleven provinces by having its own language, although I do not advocate a Frisian state, they are fine in the Netherlands.

What I support is the dissolution of Belgium with Flanders united with the Netherlands.

[Tel Errant]

The idea of a "french by heart and not by blood" starts in this times, don't you know?

And this is a very great ideal. Don't blame today's stupid immigration policies on it.

[Tel Errant]

That's what has become of 'La Grande Nation'.

Despite 15 million immigrants sucking on our welfare state France is still the second economy of Europe. What would Britain do with 15 millions Pakis? Germany with 20 millions Turks?

[The Lawspeaker]

Not true at all. They have multiplied over the last two hundred.. years,http://www2.tresoar.nl/bs/Inwoners%20Friesland.pdf

Fryslân distinguishes itself from the other eleven provinces by having its own language, although I do not advocate a Frisian state, they are fine in the Netherlands.

What I support is the dissolution of Belgium with Flanders united with the Netherlands.
And Wallonia too. It would make the Netherlands a multi-lingual state but soid. At least we can handle that better then a lot of other countries.

Republiek der Verenigde Nederlanden
Republyk fan de Feriene Nederlannen
République des Pays-Bas-Unis
Republiek der Vereanegde Nederlanden
Republik der Vereinigten Niederlande

But one flag and one passport:

http://doldrieschteblogger.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/prinsenvlag.jpg

[Crossbow]

This would be a good solution:


http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd490/Waldenburg/429px-Espagnols.png

A somewhat extended version of the Benelux, as you can see.

[Karl der Große]

And Wallonia too. It would make the Netherlands a multi-lingual state but soid. At least we can handle that better then a lot of other countries.

One solution would be for Wallonia to unite with France, and for Flanders to unite with the Netherlands. That's all!

[Albion]

We have space, with more arable land than any other country in Europe and yet a low population density. Millions of Brits, Dutch, Germans, Italians etc. come here to enjoy our endless green and ever changing countryside, a luxury they cannot find in their crowded homes.

More arable than Ukraine? I highly doubt it, Source please. Oh, and by the way we have green, pleasant countryside in abundance too, Brits go to France for reliable weather.


Despite 15 million immigrants sucking on our welfare state France is still the second economy of Europe. What would Britain do with 15 millions Pakis? Germany with 20 millions Turks?

Be shackled with them and all the associated problems, same as France. Sadly I doubt our government would kick them out.


And Wallonia too.

Wallonia belongs with the other Oil language speakers in France.

[Tel Errant]

One solution would be for Wallonia to unite with France, and for Flanders to unite with the Netherlands. That's all!

Still to difficult to understand for some.

[The Lawspeaker]

Wallonia belongs with the other Oil language speakers in France.
They were part of the Holy Roman Empire, the Seventeen Netherlands and the United Kingdom of the Netherlands so they belong with us.

[Albion]

They were part of the Holy Roman Empire, the Seventeen Netherlands and the United Kingdom of the Netherlands so they belong with us.

So what? Regions which don't belong have gotten passed around throughout history.

[Tel Errant]

They were part of the Holy Roman Empire, the Seventeen Netherlands and the United Kingdom of the Netherlands so they belong with us.

Go ask them where they belong.
I myself know the answer, enough of them are on Fdesouche.

[Crossbow]

Despite 15 million immigrants sucking on our welfare state France is still the second economy of Europe. What would Britain do with 15 millions Pakis? Germany with 20 millions Turks?

Your talking about the future now, I presume. According to my information, France counts about 5,5 millions of immigrants, mainly (North) Africans.
I wonder if the French economy would be prepared for 15 million immigrants.
True, Britain is also weighed down with immigration, and Germany is the principal contributor of the EU, apart from the financial burden of immigration.

[The Lawspeaker]

Go ask them where they belong.
I myself know the answer, enough of them are on Fdesouche.
The Walloon language and culture was themselves destroyed by the French.. ooh you didn't know that, right ? The Walloons speak a different (more Germanic influenced) kind of French and even their own language.

Do you know how to a mayor up there ? Bourgmestre.

[The Lawspeaker]

And Brussels will most definitely be Dutch. it will be the Federal Capital. The Leopoldruimte or Espace Léopold will be blown up and will have see some real remoddeling and a new name: Quartier Fédérale (Federatiewijk).

Because it can then be used as the seat of the federal government.

[Tel Errant]

Your talking about the future now, I presume. According to my information, France counts about 5,5 millions of immigrants, mainly (North) Africans.
I wonder if the French economy would be prepared for 15 million immigrants.
True, Britain is also weighed down with immigration, and Germany is the principal contributor of the EU, apart from the financial burden of immigration.

There was a stat published on FDS giving 11,5 millions "visible minority" if I remember correctly. From a gouvernemental intitut source, go figure. Add to that it was 2 years ago, add all those who have come since and all the illegals. 15 is still a moderate estimation in my opinion. No single French believe the 5,5 million muslims the government speaks about.
Also, the CRAN (conseil representatif des associations noires) gives a number of 5 millions blacks in France, and they are far less important in numbers than the arabs.

After all, you all know what the French football team looks like.

Not only are we prepared, but we are facing it right now. Imagine France's economic power and influence without them.

[Albion]

And Brussels will most definitely be Dutch. it will be the Federal Capital. The Leopoldruimte or Espace Léopold will be blown up and will have see some real remoddeling and a new name: Quartier Fédérale (Federatiewijk).

Because it can then be used as the seat of the federal government.

Yes, Brussels is Flemish Dutch no matter what the Walloons say.

[Eliades]

The cities are beautiful and they seem exotic. Especially Paris and Marseilles.

[Tel Errant]

The Walloon language and culture was themselves destroyed by the French.. ooh you didn't know that, right ? The Walloons speak a different (more Germanic influenced) kind of French and even their own language.

Destroyed by themselves, they never were in the French state (or for a very short time).
Walloon is a langue d'oïl, the fact that it has more germanic influence than others oïl dialect is of no importance.




Do you know how to a mayor up there ? Bourgmestre.
And?

[Grumpy Cat]

I think it's France's reputation for being romantic. It's mostly couples who go there.

Also, the French are known for their culinary skills. Most terms in cooking are French. They are the kings of gastronomy.

[The Lawspeaker]

No it was destroyed by French influence and they should be with us. The French have nicked enough over the years. Ever heard of the term franskiljons ? You can look it up yourself.

[Tel Errant]

And Brussels will most definitely be Dutch. it will be the Federal Capital. The Leopoldruimte or Espace Léopold will be blown up and will have see some real remoddeling and a new name: Quartier Fédérale (Federatiewijk).

Because it can then be used as the seat of the federal government.

Brussellers are flemish who chose to speak French in the last century.
Says it all.

[Crossbow]

There was a stat published on FDS giving 11,5 millions "visible minority" if I remember correctly. From a gouvernemental intitut source, go figure. Add to that it was 2 years ago, add all those who have come since and all the illegals. 15 is still a moderate estimation in my opinion. No single French believe the 5 million muslim the government speaks about.
Also, the CRAN (conseil representatif des associations noire) give a number of 5 millions blacks in France, and they are far less important in number than the arabs.

After all, you all know what the French football team look like.

Not only are we prepared, but we are facing it right now. Imagine France's economic power and influence without them.


When these numbers are true, this is very shocking news. The official record of 5,5 or 6 million will be a very flattered one indeed. Distibuting a rosy picture is common practice in other EU member states as well. Altogether a very depressing image.
I will be heading for France next week, and where I go (Franche Comté) I've seen the first headscarfs already, I mean in some little villages in the peaceful countryside.

[Tel Errant]

no matter what the Walloons say.

Indeed. What matters is what the Brussellers say.

[gandalf]

The cities are beautiful and they seem exotic. Especially Paris and Marseilles.

If you go to Marseilles or in some suburbs of Paris

be prepared to avoïd the bullets ...

it is the new way to welcome you from our "diversity" . :D

[Albion]

Indeed. What matters is what the Brussellers say.

I suppose many will want to join France along with Wallonia since Walloons have migrated within the past century to Brussels on a large scale. Immigrants shouldn't get an opinion.

Wallonia - should it join France, the Netherlands, be independent or remain part of Belgium? (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=432842#post432842)

[Tel Errant]

No it was destroyed by French influence and they should be with us. The French have nicked enough over the years. Ever heard of the term franskiljons ? You can look it up yourself.

What happened to the walloon dialect is what happened to every other dialect of dominant languages everywhere in Europe.

I've heard of the fransquillons, but it's of no relevance for wallonnian matter nor Bruxelles matter (since Bruxelles got frenchified from the 1960th on mainly).

[Ouistreham]

The Walloon language and culture was themselves destroyed by the French.
ooh you didn't know that, right ?

Wow, French power is awesome. We are even able to destroy French dialects beyond our frontiers, in Belgium!

What next now? The fact that Franco-Provençal dialect has died out in Switzerland is also France's fault?


The Walloons speak a different (more Germanic influenced) kind of French and even their own language.

Contrary to popular assumption Walloon was less influenced by Germanic than other Oïl dialects like Picard or Lorrain. Grammar is closer to Italian than to French. Walloon has also retained many old Romance words that have been dropped in Standard French.

Just an example from the top of my head: the Walloon word for beech is faw (like Portuguese faia or Italian faggio), while in French it is hêtre (from Dutch heester, similar to German Heister ).

Walloon is a quite interesting language for being highly conservative, with strong mediaeval overtones. Another example that comes to mind: the word for water is ewe (similar to Piedmontese eva) ; that same word was used by the Anglo-Norman poet who wrote the Chanson de Roland some 1,000 years ago.

Besides, Wallonia has always been an undisputed stronghold of French culture.


I suppose many will want to join France along with Wallonia since Walloons have migrated within the past century to Brussels on a large scale. Immigrants shouldn't get an opinion.

You're wrong. The Bruxellois are mostly descended from the French speaking minorities of Flanders who fled the language dictatorship imposed by Flemish authorities. As a consequence the once socially dominant French speaking upper classes of Antwerp or Ghent have been virtually eradicated but have relocated in the Brussels suburbs, some of them being formally on Flemish territories. Which is currently causing problems that sooner or later will logically put an end to the absurd Belgian State.


Bruxelles got frenchified from the 1960th on mainly).

No. There had always been a French minority in Brussels, but the process grew momentum during the 19th century and French speakers became a majority short before WW-1.Now the Dutch speakers in town are almost only commuters.

[Tel Errant]

Ok, i'm off for tonight.

[Peyrol]

I think it's France's reputation for being romantic. It's mostly couples who go there.

Also, the French are known for their culinary skills. Most terms in cooking are French. They are the kings of gastronomy.


Mhhh...

As an Italian, let me doubt it...

[Allenson]

Maybe the chicks?

[The Lawspeaker]

The worst food I ever had in hotels.. was in France. The best in Switzerland and Britain. Don't ask me how the Brits managed to make a better meal then the French but French food (especially breakfast) is overrated.

[The Lawspeaker]

Yes.. Schild en Vriend when they tried to kick out the French occupiers in Bruges. Hmm I think we should have left you lot to the jerries as the only thing you can do is make stuff up and steal.

[Albion]

Maybe the chicks?

Don't the Americans go on about their hairy armpits?


The best in Switzerland and Britain. Don't ask me how the Brits managed to make a better meal then the French but French food (especially breakfast) is overrated.

Lol, yeah, British cuisine is getting a lot better, a lot of traditional British recipes which were forsaken during the two world wars because of rationing have made a comeback. A strange thing is we don't eat a great deal of sea food despite being surrounded by water - most of it is exported to Spain. Strange. :confused:

[Allenson]

Don't the Americans go on about their hairy armpits?

I'm cool with it as long as they're braided.

[Crossbow]

Don't the Americans go on about their hairy armpits?



Lol, yeah, British cuisine is getting a lot better, a lot of traditional British recipes which were forsaken during the two world wars because of rationing have made a comeback. A strange thing is we don't eat a great deal of sea food despite being surrounded by water - most of it is exported to Spain. Strange. :confused:

The same here. Seafood isn't enjoyed much anymore, and indeed, a lot of it is exported to Spain. The Spaniards are avid seafood-eaters.

[Albion]

The same here. Seafood isn't enjoyed much anymore, and indeed, a lot of it is exported to Spain. The Spaniards are avid seafood-eaters.

Yeah, I don't really understand it. I suppose with a lot of arable land there was just no need to look to sea food that much. On saying that though it has quite a tradition in Cornwall and Devon, not many other places in England though.

[Crossbow]

Yeah, I don't really understand it. I suppose with a lot of arable land there was just no need to look to sea food that much. On saying that though it has quite a tradition in Cornwall and Devon, not many other places in England though.

Perhaps it has also something to do with the introduction of a new range of food cultures from all over the world, I don't know. But as far as I know, up til recent times, people who lived in the coastal areas lived on a diet mainly composed of seafood. That has been always the usual thing, eating products which could be found in the neighbourhood. We didn't have all kinds of fruits and vegetables the whole year round either, by the way.

[Albion]

Perhaps it has also something to do with the introduction of a new range of food cultures from all over the world, I don't know. But as far as I know, up til recent times, people who lived in the coastal areas lived on a diet mainly composed of seafood. That has been always the usual thing, eating products which could be found in the neighbourhood. We didn't have all kinds of fruits and vegetables the whole year round either, by the way.

Yeah, a similar situation to Britain - mostly cool climate crops and fruits were grown and things gathered from the woods. Ducks and rabbits were far more popular than they are now, now its rare to see anyone eating them.

[Treffie]

A strange thing is we don't eat a great deal of sea food despite being surrounded by water

Apparently, we eat too much (http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/jan/28/sustainable-fish). I can't get enough of the stuff.

[Thraex]

What? Fish and chips doesn't ring a bell? :D

[Albion]

Apparently, we eat too much (http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/jan/28/sustainable-fish). I can't get enough of the stuff.

The Guardian banging on about sustainable fisheries I see. The thing is we restrict our seafood diet to a few key species and with the large population and other EU trawlers in our waters this can lead to a decline in stocks.


What? Fish and chips doesn't ring a bell?

Yes - two types of fish - cod and haddock. My point is that most Brits restrict themselves to a few species - cod, haddock, tuna, salmon and a handful of others.

[Thraex]

Yes - two types of fish - cod and haddock. My point is that most Brits restrict themselves to a few species - cod, haddock, tuna, salmon and a handful of others.

Sounds a bit boring if you ask me, to restrict yourself to so few species when there's a lot more exotic delicacies to be had.

[supergiovane]

last time I went to France it was one year ago. I went to Grenoble because it's the closest french city to my place and I wanted to do an anthropological survey in situ. (true story).

[Tel Errant]

No. There had always been a French minority in Brussels, but the process grew momentum during the 19th century and French speakers became a majority short before WW-1.Now the Dutch speakers in town are almost only commuters.

You're right about the Frenchification process, I should have checked.
But when it happenned is of no relevance whatsoever.

[Tel Errant]

Hmm I think we should have left you lot to the jerries
Who's we?

The issue would have been the same anyway. It would have just taken more time.



as the only thing you can do is make stuff up and steal.

It takes two for this, one stealing and one stolen.
Better being the one stealing.

[El Palleter]

The same here. Seafood isn't enjoyed much anymore, and indeed, a lot of it is exported to Spain. The Spaniards are avid seafood-eaters.
Yeah, I don't really understand it.
For its high contents of vitamin E that enhances sexual activity
http://www.the-vitamin-and-supplement-guide.com/vitamineandsexdrive.html

I guess that seafood in Britain is unpopular since Queen Victoria? :P

[Aces High]

The cities are beautiful and they seem exotic. Especially Paris and Marseilles.

You have obviousley never been to Marseilles........:eek::eek::eek:

[Albion]

For its high contents of vitamin E that enhances sexual activity
http://www.the-vitamin-and-supplement-guide.com/vitamineandsexdrive.html

I guess that seafood in Britain is unpopular since Queen Victoria? :P

Don't push it. ;)

[Tel Errant]

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[antonio]

Disney Land and romance? ;) Also simply because Paris is fashionable.

Romance? Last thing I would do is to visit France (one of the world's centres of pretty and educated ladies) with female companion. :D

[Thraex]

Romance? Last thing I would do is to visit France (one of the world's centres of pretty and educated ladies) with female companion. :D


Visiting France would mean you'd have to suffer millions of Muslims already in the country. That's a rather uncomfortable prospect, I'd rather visit France after it has vastly decreased the number of Muslim inhabitants.

[Aces High]

Visiting France would mean you'd have to suffer millions of Muslims already in the country. That's a rather uncomfortable prospect, I'd rather visit France after it has vastly decreased the number of Muslim inhabitants.

Since when does what the muslims do affect any decision a European would make.
Go to France and enjoy the place,dont let these middle eastern or african pigs think that they have any influence on your actions.....because if you do the battle is already lost.;)

[mymy]

Romance? Last thing I would do is to visit France (one of the world's centres of pretty and educated ladies) with female companion. :D

Same I can say about male companion. French guys... :love:

[Bridie]

Visiting France would mean you'd have to suffer millions of Muslims already in the country. That's a rather uncomfortable prospect, I'd rather visit France after it has vastly decreased the number of Muslim inhabitants.



Since when does what the muslims do affect any decision a European would make.
Go to France and enjoy the place,dont let these middle eastern or african pigs think that they have any influence on your actions.....because if you do the battle is already lost.;)You never know... if the economy suffers enough through lost tourism and the reason for this becomes apparent, perhaps the govt would be forced to do something the rectify the situation. :p

[alzo zero]

From what i have seen they can be divided into three groups.

1) Roman tourists.

2) Florence tourists.

3) Venetian tourists.
... and 4) the Amalfi coast tourists.

Just to name the main tourists "groups".


4) "nature tourist" (Lago di Garda, Cinque Terre, Lago Maggiore, Alto Adige, etc)
5) "food tourist" (Piemonte, Napoli, etc...)
6) "wanna-fuck-a-guido tourist" (Rimini, Riccione, Adria, Lignano, Sardegna...)
These are tourists areas as well but I think they have a relatively minor importance compared to the above mentioned.


I can't imagine a wolof speaking piemonteis or bergamask :laugh:
... But I can imagine him speaking Ligurian! :P

nYucUPm94u8

[alzo zero]

The North is more influenced by Germanic invaders and South is more influenced by old stock Greeks and Italians.
What are "old stock Italians"? If by Italians you mean the ancient Italics, actually the North is as "old stock Italian" as the South is.


Stop with this "Bossi's craps" of Lega Nord.
I don't think it has anything to do with Bossi or Lega Nord either. This is another myth. Lega Nord has always emphasized the North's Celtic ties. Not the Germanic.

[The Lawspeaker]

http://www.le-romarin.nl/gallery/2399_1229875887.jpg

http://www.cybevasion.fr/gites/france/07/9106_18984.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2b/Vosne-Romanee.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/Colline-de-la-croix-rousse-.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/Versailles_chateau.jpg

http://www.citypictures.org/data/media/219/Eiffel%20Tower%20and%20Fountain,%20Paris,%20France .jpg

http://members.home.nl/a.schokkenbroek/tgv/duplex/228Bellechaume.jpg

[Thraex]

What are "old stock Italians"? If by Italians you mean the ancient Italics, actually the North is as "old stock Italian" as the South is.


I don't think it has anything to do with Bossi or Lega Nord either. This is another myth. Lega Nord has always emphasized the North's Celtic ties. Not the Germanic.

Well, the North was originally dominated by various numbers of Gallic tribes. I think it's fair to assume that they had notable influence on the genepool of Italics there. Whereas the South never saw much foreign influence except for Greeks and to some extent, Norman.

[Ouistreham]

You never know... if the economy suffers enough through lost tourism and the reason for this becomes apparent, perhaps the govt would be forced to do something the rectify the situation. :p

No way, unfortunately.
Tourism is a very minor industry. And employer unions are constantly and loudly calling for more immigrants in order to push wages down.

Capitalism and leftist metrosexuals are teaming up to keep borders as open as possible.

Is anyone surprised?

[Ouistreham]

Well, the North was originally dominated by various numbers of Gallic tribes. I think it's fair to assume that they had notable influence on the genepool of Italics there. Whereas the South never saw much foreign influence except for Greeks and to some extent, Norman.

Erh, Signor Umberto Bossi (Lega Nord's charismatic leader) and his son Renzo are supposed to impersonate the Gallic background of North Italy?...

http://www.haisentito.it/img/umberto-bossi-renzo.jpg

No shit...

[alzo zero]

Renzo's mother is Sicilian.

Umberto Bossi's look instead passes unnoticed in Northern Italy (and in other neighboring countries).

http://www.adesso-online.de/files/adesso/leadimages/Umberto_Bossi.jpg

[Thraex]

Erh, Signor Umberto Bossi (Lega Nord's charismatic leader) and his son Renzo are supposed to impersonate the Gallic background of North Italy?...

http://www.haisentito.it/img/umberto-bossi-renzo.jpg

No shit...

Personally I think Lega Nord is a stupid party. Let things be they are today than divide up Italy over some Celtic/Germanic background, whatever.

[alzo zero]

Personally I think Lega Nord is a stupid party. Let things be they are today than divide up Italy over some Celtic/Germanic background, whatever.
The division would mostly have an economic and cultural motivation. Not racial. Personally I don't care.

[Thraex]

The division would mostly have an economic and cultural motivation. Not racial. Personally I don't care.

Maybe if Northern Italy didn't have all the factories centered there then Southern Italy wouldn't be so poor.

[alzo zero]

Well, the North was originally dominated by various numbers of Gallic tribes. I think it's fair to assume that they had notable influence on the genepool of Italics there. Whereas the South never saw much foreign influence except for Greeks and to some extent, Norman.
I think the Greeks and other Neolithich elements affected the Italic peoples in the South as much as the Celts affected (if not more) the Italics' genepool in the North.

[alzo zero]

Maybe if Northern Italy didn't have all the factories centered there then Southern Italy wouldn't be so poor.
You can't blame Northern Italy for that can you? By the way, they tried to bring industrialization to the South but it didn't succeed for cultural and mindset reasons. The South should focus on tourism and agriculture, I don't think I am being offensive if I say that they have no entrepreneurial culture at all.

[Thraex]

You can't blame Northern Italy for that can you? By the way, they tried to bring industrialization to the South but it didn't succeed for cultural and mindset reasons.

Well then maybe Italy needs another Mussolini. :D

[alzo zero]

Also Renzo's brother Eridano (the boy on the left, 50% Sicilian too) oddly looks much less "exotic" than he does.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_5Zn5Ovj4iLY/S_O2u1SuKSI/AAAAAAAAAyA/sEY-S3dWxKU/s1600/bossi8.jpg

Edit: actually Eridano is Bossi's youngest son who is still a baby. This one instead goes by the quite ridiculous name of Roberto Libertà LOL...

[Thraex]

Italians are just lol considering the state of affairs in their politics from Bossi to Berlusconi.

[alzo zero]

Italians are just lol considering the state of affairs in their politics from Bossi to Berlusconi.
Yeah but maybe we can be a serious country like Serbia someday. ;)

[Thraex]

Yeah but maybe we can be a serious country like Serbia someday.

xnfi1WeJiag

[mymy]

Yeah but maybe we can be a serious country like Serbia someday.

Hahaha. Good comment. How you made me laugh! Ehhh, but it is sad in same time.

[alzo zero]

xnfi1WeJiag
It's a lookalike...


Hahaha. Good comment. How you made me laugh! Ehhh, but it is sad in same time.
I'm glad that you don't take me seriously I was joking.

[BeerBaron]

If France doesn't get its immigration in check people who want to experience France and see actual white people will be going to Quebec.

[Wanderlust]

If France doesn't get its immigration in check people who want to experience France and see actual white people will be going to Quebec.

They are world's greatest chauvinists and they won't abandon -both metaphorically and literally - France that easily.

Multiculturalism a Failure (http://www.limitstogrowth.org/articles/2011/02/10/sarkozy-says-multiculturalism-a-failure/)

France Considers Reducing Legal Immigration (http://www.limitstogrowth.org/articles/2011/04/10/france-considers-reducing-legal-immigration/)

[antonio]

Personally I think Lega Nord is a stupid party. Let things be they are today than divide up Italy over some Celtic/Germanic background, whatever.

I think we should decouple what they could think about our nationals living at Padania, and try to assume the native point of view we all have. And, from that point of view, Lega Nord is a great excellent party: the only one I know I would probably enter without much rationalization.

Ps. BTW Humberto Bossi looks fair Celtic to me, albeit for obvious reasons, what Celtic look means is not much clear today.

[ironman]

The attractions of France were known even way back in 1914.

http://i339.photobucket.com/albums/n449/ruffusruffcut/francethereasonstovisit.jpg

[SwordoftheVistula]

As for the Eiffel tower, it is too much of a cliché to really appreciate.

It's a fun place to throw paper airplanes and spit off of

[Peyrol]

I think we should decouple what they could think about our nationals living at Padania, and try to assume the native point of view we all have. And, from that point of view, Lega Nord is a great excellent party: the only one I know I would probably enter without much rationalization.

Ps. BTW Humberto Bossi looks fair Celtic to me, albeit for obvious reasons, what Celtic look means is not much clear today.

Yes, an ''excellent party'' that promises much and doesn't realize anything :laugh:

[Tel Errant]

There was a stat published on FDS giving 11,5 millions "visible minority" if I remember correctly. From a gouvernemental intitut source, go figure. Add to that it was 2 years ago, add all those who have come since and all the illegals. 15 is still a moderate estimation in my opinion. No single French believe the 5,5 million muslims the government speaks about.
Also, the CRAN (conseil representatif des associations noires) gives a number of 5 millions blacks in France, and they are far less important in numbers than the arabs.

After all, you all know what the French football team looks like.

Not only are we prepared, but we are facing it right now. Imagine France's economic power and influence without them.


When these numbers are true, this is very shocking news. The official record of 5,5 or 6 million will be a very flattered one indeed. Distibuting a rosy picture is common practice in other EU member states as well. Altogether a very depressing image.


Here the FDS page with the 2008 INSEE stat:

"Ethnic populations are estimated at about 12 to 14 millions, or more than 20% of the French population."

http://www.fdesouche.com/70022-la-phrase-du-jour-5/comment-page-1

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5299/nouvellefrancesn4.png

The North African figure should be much higher.

[Peyrol]

Here the FDS page with the 2008 INSEE stat:

"Ethnic populations are estimated at about 12 to 14 millions, or more than 20% of the French population."

http://www.fdesouche.com/70022-la-phrase-du-jour-5/comment-page-1


The North African figure should be much higher.

Big colonial empire, big immigration.

[Whiteruthenian]

Big colonial empire, big immigration.How is it interconnected? Because there are so many non-European Francophones?

[Peyrol]

How is it interconnected? Because there are so many non-European Francophones?

Yes, in some states like Congo or Ivory Coast, French has almost completely replaced the local languages​​,and when they have to choose in which European/western country emigrate, many opt to France in order to avoid the language impediment.

Luckily, italian colonial empire didn't last long :laugh:

[Tel Errant]

Yes, in some states like Congo or Ivory Coast, French has almost completely replaced the local languages​​,and when they have to choose in which European/western country emigrate, many opt to France in order to avoid the language impediment.

Luckily, italian colonial empire didn't last long :laugh:

In some cities in some states like Ivory Coast or Gabon, French is a lingua franca.

They choose France partly because of the prestige of the ancient colonial power, because of members of their families or village are already here (immigration induces its own flow) and because France's immigration policy has always been laxist.
But don't forget that immigration now is a business, and the country they go to is above all the country where the traficants choose to send them.
The "mixed" marriages too are a source of immigration, most of them involving a (North)African with French citizenship with someone from its village in Africa.


Historically, the "regroupement familial" politic started in the 1970th was a turning point, changing an ecomic immigration in a peopling immigration. Those that were brought to work in factories have been joined by their families and we have now children of the 4th generation living in our banlieus.

[Peyrol]

In some cities in some states like Ivory Coast or Gabon, French is a lingua franca.

They choose France partly because of the prestige of the ancient colonial power, but don't forget that immigration now is a business, and the country they go to is above all the country where the traficants chose to send them.

The ridiculous about maghreb is that for years have "fought" to get independence, and now all want to re-come in France. :laugh:

(same thing about we and the lybians)

[Thraex]

The ridiculous about maghreb is that for years have "fought" to get independence, and now all want to re-come in France. :laugh:

(same thing about we and the lybians)

And we all know the primary motivation behind their coming to France and Italy...

http://tctechcrunch.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/a_stack_of_euros-215x152.jpg

[Peyrol]

And we all know the primary motivation behind their coming to France and Italy...

http://tctechcrunch.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/a_stack_of_euros-215x152.jpg

Gheddafi, in 1969, pushed out of Lybia about 1,100,000 italians that were born and grow up in Tripoli, Benghazi, Derna, Misurata (in 1936 we were 58% of Tripoli population).... why now we have to keep and feed this berberic scum? Mysteries of cultural marxism...mah!

[Thraex]

Gheddafi, in 1969, pushed out of Lybia about 1,100,000 italians that were born and grow up in Tripoli, Benghazi, Derna, Misurata (in 1936 we were 58% of Tripoli population).... why now we have to keep and feed this berberic scum? Mysteries of cultural marxism...mah!

At least you are getting some revenge today with Gaddafi hiding in some bombed-out bunker. :D

[Whiteruthenian]

Gheddafi, in 1969, pushed out of Lybia about 1,100,000 italians that were born and grow up in Tripoli, Benghazi, Derna, Misurata (in 1936 we were 58% of Tripoli population).... why now we have to keep and feed this berberic scum? Mysteries of cultural marxism...mah!How come Italy didn't declare a war on Libya? :tsk:

[Peyrol]

How come Italy didn't declare a war on Libya? :tsk:

....with the "Marshall Plan" yet to be paid and armed forces reduced to 100,000 men after 1945? :laugh:

[Jamt]

France is attractive for its history and tradition. No on comes to Paris for Pyramide du Louvre, they do for Montmartre and old bistros. Tourists don't flock to Sweden for our modern DDR architecture but for traditional Dalarna and "old town" in Stockholm. Italy for traditional and localism in food and so on. Its all about beuty and memory.

[Thraex]

....with the "Marshall Plan" yet to be paid and armed forces reduced to 100,000 men after 1945? :laugh:

Italy needs to restore its military tradition from the times of Rome. Italy today is nothing but an embarrassment to Romans.

[Peyrol]

Italy needs to restore its military tradition from the times of Rome. Italy today is nothing but an embarrassment to Romans.

We lost a world war, man. :laugh:
One clause of the armistice says that Italy can't do military operations without U.S. consent.
What can we do? :laugh: