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Austin
07-13-2011, 12:26 PM
Actually, no.

I was a single mom in college, as previously stated. There are a lot of federal monies out there for undergraduate students, especially those with greater economic need as I was.

Perhaps I may have gotten more 'scholarships' had I not been white (http://staff.lib.msu.edu/harris23/grants/3specpop.htm), but there is no way to tell that. I got about as much as any single mom or dad with my same income would have gotten out of our federal student financial aid system. All of this system is set up on the basis of economic need. (http://www.faa.gov/education/student_resources/scholarships_grants/minority_scholarships/) I used this system for both undergrad and graduate school. Of course, now, my debt is horrible, but I may have a good chance at landing a job that is going to pay off my student loans if I sign on for X number of years.

There are not a lot of scholarships for Asians. Asians tend to be more college educated than whites, so they are not thought of as disadvantaged.


Actually, yes.


But I'm not saying you have to agree (though I know you're wrong).


<center>Grants for Individuals: Minorities

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Actuarial Scholarships for Minority Students
http://www.actuarialfoundation.org/programs/actuarial/scholarships.shtml#diversity (http://www.actuarialfoundation.org/programs/actuarial/scholarships.shtml#diversity)
To provide scholarships at the undergraduate or graduate level for certain minority students who are interested in pursuing actuarial careers.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
African American Scholarship and Internship Opportunities
http://www.littleafrica.com/resources/scholarships.htm (http://www.littleafrica.com/resources/scholarships.htm)
Courtesy of LittleAfrica.com
(Last checked 02/24/11)
African American Scholarships
http://www.educationcorner.com/african-american-black-scholarships.html (http://www.educationcorner.com/african-american-black-scholarships.html)
A compilation of scholarships from Education Corner.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
American Association of Law Libraries
George A. Strait Minority Scholarship
http://www.aallnet.org/services/sch_strait.asp (http://www.aallnet.org/services/sch_strait.asp)
The $3500 George A. Strait Minority Scholarship is awarded annually to college graduates with meaningful law library experience who are members of a minority group as defined by current U.S. government guidelines, are degree candidates in an accredited library or law school, and who intend to have a career in law librarianship. Applicants must show evidence of financial need. Web page includes application form.
Also listed under Grants for Indviduals - Minorities, Law, Libraries
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American Bar Association (ABA)
Legal Opportunity Scholarship Program
http://www.abanet.org/fje/losfpage.html (http://www.abanet.org/fje/losfpage.html)
The ABA Legal Opportunity Scholarship Program was established to improve diversity in the legal profession by encouraging and supporting racial and ethnic minority law students. The scholarship provides $5,000 of financial assistance annually to each scholarship recipient attending an ABA-accredited law school. Assuming the recipient achieves satisfactory performance in law school, an award made to an entering freshman may be renewed for two additional years, resulting in financial assistance totaling $15,000 during his or her time in law school.
Also listed under Grants for Individuals - Law
(Last checked 02/24/11)
American Chemical Society
Scholars Program
http://portal.acs.org/portal/acs/corg/content?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=PP_TRANSITIONMAIN&node_id=1234&use_sec=false&sec_url_var=region1 (http://portal.acs.org/portal/acs/corg/content?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=PP_TRANSITIONMAIN&node_id=1234&use_sec=false&sec_url_var=region1)
ACS sponsors scholarship programs for qualified applicants who want to enter the fields of chemistry, biochemistry, or chemical engineering, and students seeking a two-year degree in chemical technology. The programs are designed to encourage African-American, Hispanic, and American Indian students to pursue undergraduate college degrees in the chemical sciences and chemical technology. For additional opportunities, check the American Chemical Society Grants and Awards web page (http://portal.acs.org/portal/acs/corg/content?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=PP_FUNDING&node_id=136&use_sec=false)
(Last checked 02/24/11)
American Dream Scholarship Program
http://www.thesalliemaefund.org/smfnew/scholarship/american_dream.html (http://www.thesalliemaefund.org/smfnew/scholarship/american_dream.html)
Established in partnership with the United Negro College Fund, the American Dream Scholarship Program is open to African Americans with financial need. Applicants must be U.S. citizens or permanent residents, with a minimum 2.5 grade point average (on a 4.0 scale), who meet Pell Grant eligibility criteria, and are enrolled full time at approved, accredited, undergraduate institutions. Scholarships range from $500 to $5,000. If you have specific questions about this program, please call UNCF at 1-800-331-2244.
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APS Scholarship for Minority Undergraduate Physics Majors
http://www.aps.org/programs/minorities/honors/scholarship/index.cfm (http://www.aps.org/programs/minorities/honors/scholarship/index.cfm)
Each year, the APS Committee on Minorities in Physics (COM) acts as the selection committee for this scholarship which attracts many excellent applicants. The award consists of $2000 per year for new corporate scholars, and $3000 per year for renewal students to be used for tuition, room & board, educational materials. In addition, each physics department that hosts one or more APS minority undergraduate scholars and assigns a mentor for their student/s will receive a $500 award for programs to encourage minority students. The program is usually able to fund 20-25 new recipients each year.
Also listed under Grants for Individuals - sciences, minorities.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Arab American Institute
Scholarships for American Students of Arab Descent, Arab Students Studying in the United States, and Other Scholarships
http://www.aaiusa.org/foundation/33/scholarships (http://www.aaiusa.org/foundation/33/scholarships)
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Armenian General Benevolent Union
Scholarships and Loans
http://www.agbu.org/programs/projects.asp?program_id=4 (http://www.agbu.org/programs/projects.asp?program_id=4)
The AGBU offers interest-free loans to full-time graduate students of Armenian descent enrolled in most competitive colleges and universities in the United States. Students must start repayment of their loans one year after graduating or leaving school. Awards are in the range of $2,500-7,500. Deadline for returning a completed application is April 1.
The AGBU offers financial assistance to full-time U.S. undergraduate students of Armenian descent enrolled in colleges and universities outside of the U.S. Some selected fields of graduate study will be considered.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Asian American Giving : The Asian American Philanthropy Journal
http://www.asianamericangiving.com/grantsawardsscholarships/ (http://www.asianamericangiving.com/grantsawardsscholarships/)
Asian American Giving serves as the link between Asian American donors, leaders, and the non-profit community. We promote stories of individuals engaged in philanthropy, draw attention to the issues in our community, and highlight trends and patterns in charitable giving. We aspire to be the ultimate source for Asian American philanthropy. Also posts information about scholarships from time to time.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Asian Women in Business Scholarship
http://www.awib.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=Page.ViewPage&PageID=811 (http://www.awib.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=Page.ViewPage&PageID=811)
Deadline : August 1
The Asian Women In Business Scholarship encourages and promotes exceptional Asian female students who have demonstrated scholarship, leadership, community service and/ or entrepreneurship. The AWIB Scholarship Fund awards scholarships to students who have the attributes to be our next generation of leaders. Candidates for the scholarship must be female of Asian (includes those who can trace their ancestry from Bangladesh, Cambodia, China, India, Indonesia, Japan, Korea, Laos, Mongolia, Myanmar, Nepal, Philippines, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Taiwan, Thailand, and Vietnam) or Pacific Islander ancestry.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Aspira Scholarship Information
http://www.aspira.org/manuals/college-information (http://www.aspira.org/manuals/college-information)
The ASPIRA Association, Inc. is the only national nonprofit organization devoted solely to the education and leadership development of Puerto Rican and other Latino youth. ASPIRA takes its name from the Spanish verb aspirar, "aspire." The web page provides links to both financial aid resources specifically geared for Hispanic students as well as more general sources.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Association on American Indian Affairs
http://www.indian-affairs.org/ (http://www.indian-affairs.org/)
Since 1922, the Association on American Indian Affairs has been dedicated to helping Native people and their communities in meeting the challenges they face. One of these challenges is that of paying for a higher education. AAIA assists college students in meeting this challenge through our eight scholarship programs. AAIA offers two graduate fellowships, one scholarship which is open to graduate and undergraduates and five undergraduate scholarships, one of which is available to students from tribes that are state recognized but not federally recognized. AAIA depends on the generosity of our donors to fund our scholarship programs, therefore, availability may change from year to year.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Association on American Indian Affairs
Displaced Homemaker Scholarships
http://www.indian-affairs.org/scholarships/displaced_homemakers.htm (http://www.indian-affairs.org/scholarships/displaced_homemakers.htm)
The Association on American Indian Affairs offers Displaced Homemaker Scholarships in the amount of $1,500 each to those men and women who would not otherwise be able to complete their educational goals due to family responsibilities. This scholarship is for older students who have put off college to raise their children, students who are entering or are returning to college when their children enter school, men or women who have been divorced and had to leave college to singlehandedly care for their children and are now returning, etc. If you have questions about whether you qualify as a displaced homemaker contact Lisa Wyzlic at lw.aaia@verizon.net or 240-314-7155. Funds may be used to assist with childcare, transportation and basic living expenses in addition to educational costs. Disbursement in the amount of $750 is made directly to the college fall and spring semesters pending satisfacotry progress. Spring disbursement requires a copy of the fall semester's grades and a spring semester class schedule. This scholarship does not automatically renew. Students are eligible to apply on a yearly basis.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Association of Latino Professionals in Finance and Accounting
formerly called the American Association of Hispanic Certified Public Accountants
Student Scholarships
http://www.alpfa.org/ (http://www.alpfa.org/)
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Berrien Fragos Thorn, see Thorn
Black College Dollars : Scholarships for African American Students
http://www.thesalliemaefund.org/smfnew/scholarship_directory/index.html (http://www.thesalliemaefund.org/smfnew/scholarship_directory/index.html)
This free scholarship search, geared for African-American students, contains more than 300 scholarships searchable by GPA requirement, academic and career interest, and application deadline.
This directory is a part of The Sallie Mae Fund’s multi-faceted African-American College Access Initiative, launched in October 2005, to improve access to higher education among African-American students. Produced by the Pell Institute for the Study of Opportunity in Higher Education.This free scholarship search, geared for African-American students, contains more than 300 scholarships searchable by GPA requirement, academic and career interest, and application deadline.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Black Excel's 100 Minority Scholarship Gateway List
http://www.blackexcel.org/100minority.htm (http://www.blackexcel.org/100minority.htm)
Black Excel has presented gateways to well over 1000 Scholarships for students nationwide. In the Black Excel African American Student's College Guide (available at major bookstores and at Amazon.com), we list hundreds of scholarships and provide a step-by-step tutorial as to what to do after you get a gigantic list like the one below. Knowing the "rules of play" gives you a tremendous advantage in regard to the A, B, C's of winning scholarships. Note that Black Excel is linked to over 900 websites, and that many colleges are directing their students to our resources and info. -- Isaac Black, Black Excel Founder and Author
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Black Excel's 200 Free Scholarships for Minorities
http://www.blackexcel.org/200-Scholarships.html (http://www.blackexcel.org/200-Scholarships.html)
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Black Greek Scholarships for Books and Supplies
http://www.collegegreekbooks.com/cashaward.html (http://www.collegegreekbooks.com/cashaward.html)
All students with a minimum 2.0 GPA or C Average in any accredited college or university that has a Greek Social setting may apply. Each Applicant will be asked to fill out a one-page application, provide a copy of their current school registration and transcript, and write or photocopy their school’s “hazing policy”.
Also listed under Grants for Individuals - Undergraduates.
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Black Men Building Resources Scholarship
http://www.grfoundation.org/scholarshipslist (http://www.grfoundation.org/scholarshipslist)
Restricted to African American Kent County high school graduates or GED recipients who have been accepted to an accredited institution to pursue a degree, certificate, or license in an occupational-related curriculum. Administered by the Grand Rapids Community Foundation.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Chaldean Federation of America
Offers up to 10 scholarships to students of Chaldean heritage. For more informtion contact Chaldean Federation of American, 1874 West 10 Mile Road, Southfield, MI 48075, (248) 557-2362.
Chippewa County Community Foundation
Paul and Emily Shagen Scholarship
Reserved for enrolled members of the Sault Ste Marie Tribe of Chippewa Indians to attend college or vocational schools. Contact the foundation via letter at P.O. Box 1979, 138 Ridge St., Sault Ste. Marie, MI 49783-7979; by telephone at (906) 635-1046; by fax at (906) 635-7368 for more information.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
CINTAS Foundation Fellowships.
http://www.cintasfoundation.org/ (http://www.cintasfoundation.org/)
Cintas Fellowships acknowledge creative accomplishments and encourage excellence in architecture, literature, music composition and the visual arts. Eligibility is limited to artists of Cuban citizenship or direct descent (having a Cuban parent or grandparent). Artists are recommended for fellowships by panels of qualified members from each artistic discipline. The Board of the Cintas Foundation, Inc., awards fellowhips based on the recommendations of the panels. Cintas Fellows are free to pursue their artistic activities as they wish. The fellowships are not awarded for academic study or research, or to performing artists. Fellowships are not awarded more than twice to the same person. Second awards are granted only to candidates demonstrating outstanding artistic development. Fellowships are awarded annually in the amount of $15,000 each and are paid in quarterly stipends, beginning in September, for twelve consecutive months. The award is currently considered taxable income.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
The CIRI Foundation (TCF)
http://www.thecirifoundation.org (http://www.thecirifoundation.org/)
“A 501(c)(3) private foundation, the CIRI Foundation awards scholarships to Alaska Natives who are original enrollees of CIRI and their direct lineal descendants as defined by the Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act of 1971 (ANCSA).”
Our (TCF) mission is to promote individual self-development and economic self-sufficiency through education and to maintain pride in culture and heritage among Alaska Natives who are original enrollees of Cook Inlet Region and their descendants. The major goal of The CIRI Foundation (TCF) is to encourage the education and career development of the Foundation’s Alaska Native beneficiaries through post secondary scholarships and grants, research and other education projects. A second goal is to perpetuate and enhance the heritage of Cook Inlet Region’s Alaska Native people through programs that foster appreciation and understanding by the general public.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Coca-Cola Scholars Foundation Scholarships
https://www.coca-colascholars.org/cokeWeb/index.jsp (https://www.coca-colascholars.org/cokeWeb/index.jsp)
The program is open to all high school seniors in the United States from 26,000 high schools. Coca-Cola Scholars come from all 50 states and more than one-third are minorities. The Scholars represent a cross-section of outstanding young people, characterized by their educational excellence, leadership in their schools and commitment to their communities. web site provides application form.
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Coleman A. Young Foundation
http://www.cayf.org/ (http://www.cayf.org/)
Coleman A. Young Scholars Program sponsors 4 year, renewable scholarships with a total value of $16,000, payable in annual $4,000 increments. Program focuses on assisting Detroit minority youth.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Colgate Haz La U (Make the U) Hispanic Scholarship Program
http://www.colgate.com/app/Colgate/US/Corp/CommunityPrograms/Haz-La-U.cvsp (http://www.colgate.com/app/Colgate/US/Corp/CommunityPrograms/Haz-La-U.cvsp),br> Deadline : December 31, 2010
This program, launched in partnership with the Hispanic Scholarship Fund (HSF), aims to award educational grants to eligible Hispanic students pursuing higher education. High school seniors are encouraged to apply for the opportunity to win a $15,000 educational grant, or one of ten $2,500 additional grants. In order to apply, you must answer each of the following questions in 500 words or less:


How has your Hispanic heritage influenced your academic and personal long term goals?
How do you contribute to your community? What you have learned from your experiences?
Describe a recent academic challenge you have faced, and how you have overcome it.


(Last checked 02/24/11) College Scholarships for African American Students
http://www.abetterchance.org/abetterchance.aspx?pgID=1078 (http://www.abetterchance.org/abetterchance.aspx?pgID=1078)
Courtesy of a Better Chance.
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College Scholarships for Asian American Students
http://www.abetterchance.org/abetterchance.aspx?pgID=1080 (http://www.abetterchance.org/abetterchance.aspx?pgID=1080)
Courtesy of a Better Chance.
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College Scholarships for Latinos and Hispanic Students
http://www.abetterchance.org/abetterchance.aspx?pgID=1081 (http://www.abetterchance.org/abetterchance.aspx?pgID=1081)
Courtesy of a Better Chance.
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College Scholarships for Native American Students
http://www.abetterchance.org/abetterchance.aspx?pgID=1082 (http://www.abetterchance.org/abetterchance.aspx?pgID=1082)
Courtesy of a Better Chance.
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College Scholarships, Graduate Fellowships, and Postdoctoral Awards : African Americans / Blacks
http://scholarships.fatomei.com/african.html (http://scholarships.fatomei.com/african.html)
A compilation of resources by Francisco Alberto Tomei Torres, Ph.D.
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College Scholarships, Graduate Fellowships and Postdoctoral Awards for Minorities
http://scholarships.fatomei.com/minorities.html (http://scholarships.fatomei.com/minorities.html)
Covers African Americans, Hispanics, Latinos (Mexican Americans, Chicanos, Puerto Ricans, Cubans, Dominicans, South and Central Americans), Native Alaskans (Aleuts, Inuit, Eskimos), Native Americans, Native Pacific Islanders (Hawaiians, Polynesians or Micronesians). A compilation of resources by Francisco Alberto Tomei Torres, Ph.D.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
College Scholarships, Graduate Fellowships, and Postdoctoral Awards for Native Americans
http://scholarships.fatomei.com/native.html (http://scholarships.fatomei.com/native.html)
Covers Aboriginal Canadians, Native Alaskans (Aleuts, Inuit, Eskimos), Native Americans, Native Pacific Islanders (Hawaiians, Polynesians or Micronesians). A compilation of resources by Francisco Alberto Tomei Torres, Ph.D.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Committee on Institutional Cooperation (CIC)
Minority Graduate Application Fee Waiver
http://www.cic.net/Home/Students/FreeApp/Introduction.aspx (http://www.cic.net/Home/Students/FreeApp/Introduction.aspx)
The CIC FreeApp program is designed to expand participation of underrepresented students in graduate education. Through this program, prospective students can apply for a graduate application fee waiver or request graduate information for Ph.D. or Master of Fine Arts programs at CIC institutions, which includes all Big Ten schools plus the University of Chicago.
MSU students desiring more information about the FreeApp program can contact : Trina Trefil, Michigan State University, The Graduate School, 118 Linton Hall, East Lansing, Michigan 48824; Phone: 517-353-4738; Email: trefiltr@msu.edu
Also listed under Grants for Individuals -- Graduate
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Committee on Institutional Cooperation (CIC)
Summer Research Opportunities Program (SROP)
http://www.cic.net/Home/Students/SROP/Introduction.aspx (http://www.cic.net/Home/Students/SROP/Introduction.aspx)
Minority undergraduates are invited to apply for a summer program designed to prepare them for graduate study and faculty careers. Eligible applicants are African Americans, Native Americans, Mexican Americans and Puerto Ricans who are sophomores or juniors majoring in any field. During the eight-to-ten week summer session, students work on a research project guided by a faculty mentor and are able to explore a topic of interest at one of 15 host CIC universities (University of Chicago, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, University of Illinois at Chicago, Indiana University, Indiana University/Puurdue University at Indianapolis, University of Iowa, University of Michigan, Michigan State University, University of Minnesota, Northwestern University, Ohio State University, Pennsylvania State University, Purdue University, University of Wisconsin-Madison and the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee). Each student receives a stipend of at least $2,500 for the summer, plus up to $1,100 toward board and travel to and from the host institution. The faculty mentor may receive $500 toward the cost of the student's research project.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Community Development Work Study Program (CDWS)
http://www.oup.org/programs/aboutCDWSP.asp (http://www.oup.org/programs/aboutCDWSP.asp)
To attract more minority and disadvantaged students to academic programs in community planning and development, HUD's Office of University Partnerships has created the Community Development Work Study Program (CDWSP). Colleges and universities throughout the United States use this program to offer financial aid and work experience to students enrolled in a full-time graduate program in community development or a closely related field such as urban planning, public policy, or public administration.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Conference on Asian Pacific American Leadership (CAPAL)
http://www.capal.org (http://www.capal.org/)
The Conference on Asian Pacific American Leadership (CAPAL) is awarding $2,000 scholarships to three outstanding Asian Pacific American (APA) college students interning in the Washington, D.C., area during the summer of 2005. Eligibility is open to both undergraduate and graduate students. Awarded annually since 1992, CAPAL scholarships are intended to enable outstanding APA students to work full-time and learn about ways to affect public policy that benefit their communities. With these scholarships, CAPAL hopes to provide APA students with the financial means to successfully complete their summer internships. Applications can be downloaded from the CAPAL website. For more information, call (202) 270-6897 or e-mail capalscholar@gmail.com.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Congressional Black Caucus Foundation
Scholarship Opportunities
http://cbcfinc.org/cbcf-scholarships.html (http://cbcfinc.org/cbcf-scholarships.html)
Consistent with its mission to provide educational opportunities to a new generation of leaders, the CBC Foundation demonstrates its commitment by sponsoring a number of educational programs. Current opportunities include:
(1) CBC Spouses Flexible Education Scholarship
(2) CBC Spouses Education Scholarship Fund
(3) CBC Spouses Cheerios Brand Health Initiative Scholarship
(4) CBC Spouses Performing Arts Scholarship Program
(5) CBC Spouses Visual Arts Scholarship
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Congressional Hispanic Caucus Institute
Scholarship Opportunities
http://www.chci.org/scholarships/ (http://www.chci.org/scholarships/)
Scholarships are awarded to Latino students who have a history of performing public service-oriented activities in their communities and who demonstrate a desire to continue their civic engagement in the future. There is no GPA or major requirement. Students with excellent leadership potential are encouraged to apply. In 2008, through our partnerships with Dell, Inc. and Microsoft, CHCI distributed fully loaded Dell Notebooks to 100 first-year, undergraduate Scholars.
Also check out the 2011 National Directory of Scholarships, Internships, and Fellowships for Latino Students (http://www.chci.org/doclib/20112141737204152-CHCIDirectory6thEdition.pdf?trail=201152785733)
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Costco Pharmacy Scholar Program
http://scholarships.hispanicfund.org/applications/subsectionID.1,pageID.150/default.asp (http://scholarships.hispanicfund.org/applications/subsectionID.1,pageID.150/default.asp)
Award: A multi-year scholarship, up to $9,500 to cover tuition, books and fees, through their education
Deadline: March 15
Eligibility Requirements:
(1) be pursuing a degree in Pharmacy
(2) come from an Hispanic background
(3) be a U.S. Citizen or Permanent Resident
(4) demonstrate financial need
(5) have a GPA of 3.0 or higher
(6) have completed one-year of pharmacy school or are in their second year into their pharmacy education
If you have any questions, you can contact us at hcf-info@hispanicfund.org or you can reach our main contact Angelina Paniagua at 1-800-644-4223. Source: Hispanic College Fund Staff.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Council of Higher Education Scholarship Program for Students of Czech, Slovak or Ruthenian Descent
http://sms.scholarshipamerica.org/councilofhighereducation/ (http://sms.scholarshipamerica.org/councilofhighereducation/)
Deadline : April 1
The Council of Higher Education has established a scholarship program for U.S. and Canadian students of Czech, Slovak, or Ruthenian descent who plan to continue education in undergraduate and graduate programs. Renewable scholarships are offered each year for full-time study at an accredited academic institution of the student's choice.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Cuban American Scholarship Fund
http://www.aie.org/Scholarships/detail.cfm?ID=15597 (http://www.aie.org/Scholarships/detail.cfm?ID=15597)
The Cuban American Scholarship Fund awards scholarships to high school seniors and undergraduate students of Cuban descent. Students must have a GPA of 3.0 or better and must attend a university in California on a full-time basis. Awards range from $500 to $2,000. For more information, contact: Mr. Victor Cueto, Cuban American Scholarship Fund, P.O. Box 6422, Santa Ana, CA 92706; Tel: (714) 835-7676; Fax: (714) 835-7776; E-mail: lawvictorcueto@aol.com
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Detroit Branch of the NAACP Scholarships
http://www.detroitnaacp.org/education/naacpscholarships.asp (http://www.detroitnaacp.org/education/naacpscholarships.asp)
Current offerings include:
(1) Earl G. Graves Scholarship
Award Amount - $5,000 ($2,500/semester)
For enrolled junior or seniors majoring in Business or a Graduate student enrolled to a Masters or Doctorial program within a Business School.
(2) Agnes Jones Jackson Scholarship
Undergraduate Award Amount - $1,500
Graduate Award Amount - $2,500
For Undergraduate and Graduate students under the age of twenty-five.
(3) Louis Stokes Scholarship
Award Amount - $2,000 ($1,000/semester)
For incoming freshman majoring in Engineering, Science, Computer Science or Mathematical Sciences.
(4) Lillian and Samuel Sutton Scholarship
Undergraduate Award Amount - $1,000 ($500/semester)
Graduate Award Amount - $2,000 ($1,000/semester)
For Undergraduate and Graduate students majoring in Education.
(5) Roy Wilkins Scholarship
Award Amount - $1,000 ($500/semester)
For entering freshman only.
(6) Hubertus W. V. Willems Scholarship
Undergraduate Award Amount - $2,000 ($1,000/semester)
Graduate Award Amount - $3,000 ($1,500/semester)
For Undergraduate and Graduate male students majoring in Engineering, Chemistry, Physics or Mathematics.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Detroit College Promise
http://www.detroitcollegepromise.com/ (http://www.detroitcollegepromise.com/)
FAQs (http://www.detroitcollegepromise.com/dcpfaq.html)
Follow us on Twitter (http://twitter.com/detroitcollege).
To find us on Facebook, just search for Detroit College Promise.
The Detroit College Promise is a 501(c)(3) public charity that provides tuition scholarships to Michigan public colleges and universities for Detroit Public School students. It is improving the Detroit Public Schools by encouraging DPS parents and students to plan for a college education, and by motivating parents with college aspirations for their children to move into Detroit and the Detroit Public Schools. As a result, it is helping to transform Detroit into a center of brainpower with a high proportion of college graduates, and is promoting economic development for Detroit and the region.
As of December 2009, we are providing scholarships to the following schools (including number and amount):
(1) Cody Upper: unlimited, $500/year for 4 years
(2) Douglass: unlimited, $500/year for 4 years
(3) Cass Tech: 2, $500 for one year
(4) Central: 2, $500 for one year
(5) Pershing: 2, $500 for one year
(6) Trombly: 2, $500 for one year
(7) Coming soon : no scholarships for other DPS high schools this year, but we hope to offer at least 2 scholarships at each of the remaining DPS high schools next year.
For more information, please contact Nat Pernick, M.D., Executive Director, The Detroit College Promise, 30100 Telegraph Road, Suite 408, Bingham Farms, MI 48025; Telephone: (248) 646-3269; Email: NatPernick@hotmail.com.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Diversity Pipeline Alliance
http://www.diversitypipeline.org/ (http://www.diversitypipeline.org/)
A comprehensive resource for African Americans, Hispanic Americans and Native Americans interested in pursuing business and management studies. You'll find information about MBA programs, financial aid, internships and business careers.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Financial Aid Directory for Students of Armenian Descent
http://www.aaainc.org/fileadmin/aaainc/pdf_1/2010_Q1/Financial_Aid_Directory-2006.pdf (http://www.aaainc.org/fileadmin/aaainc/pdf_1/2010_Q1/Financial_Aid_Directory-2006.pdf)
Armenian Assembly of America, 7th edition, October 2006.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Financial Aid, College Scholarships, Graduate Fellowships and Postdoctoral Awards for Hispanic Americans
http://scholarships.fatomei.com/hispanics.html (http://scholarships.fatomei.com/hispanics.html)
Covers Puerto Ricans, Jíbaros, Boricuas, Cubanos, Guajiros, Dominicanos, Quisqueyanos, South and Central Americans, Mexican Americans, Chicanos, Latinos. A compilation of resources by Francisco Alberto Tomei Torres, Ph.D. Focuses on Latinos, Hispanics, Chicanos, Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, Cubans, Dominicans, South and Central Americans.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Financial Aid for Native American Students
http://www.finaid.org/otheraid/natamind.phtml (http://www.finaid.org/otheraid/natamind.phtml)
This page provides information about financial aid for Native American students, compiled with the assistance of Donovan Gomez, Executive Director of the San Juan Pueblo Department of Education. In addition to spelling out requirements for Native American status, the FastWEB scholarship search lists 70 active award sources for Native American students only, 11 award sources for Native American or Native Alaskan students, and hundreds of awards for minority students.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Financial Aid, Scholarships, Fellowships, and Postdoctoral Awards : Ethnic Groups and Studies
http://scholarships.fatomei.com/ethnic.html (http://scholarships.fatomei.com/ethnic.html)
A compilation of resources by Francisco Alberto Tomei Torres, Ph.D.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
First in My Family Scholarship Program
http://www.thesalliemaefund.org/smfnew/scholarship/first_family.html (http://www.thesalliemaefund.org/smfnew/scholarship/first_family.html)
The First in My Family Scholarship Program, developed in partnership with the Hispanic College Fund, offers scholarships to Hispanic-American students who are the first in their family to attend college and have financial need. The program is open to Hispanic Americans who are U.S. citizens or permanent residents enrolled as full time undergraduate students at approved, accredited institutions. Students must have a minimum grade point average of 3.0 (on a 4.0 scale). Scholarships range from $500 to $5,000. If you have specific questions about this program, please call HCF at 1-800-644-4223.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Ford Foundation Dissertation Diversity Fellowships
http://www7.nationalacademies.org/fordfellowships/forddiss.html (http://www7.nationalacademies.org/fordfellowships/forddiss.html)
Through its program of Diversity Fellowships, the Ford Foundation seeks to increase the diversity of the nation’s college and university faculties by increasing their ethnic and racial diversity, to maximize the educational benefits of diversity, and to increase the number of professors who can and will use diversity as a resource for enriching the education of all students. This year the program will award approximately 35 dissertation fellowships.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Hispanic Heritage Foundation
Youth Awards
http://hhfawards.hispanicheritage.org/2010/forms/login.php (http://hhfawards.hispanicheritage.org/2010/forms/login.php)
Graduating high school seniors of Hispanic Heritage planning to enroll in college in the fall, minimum 3.0 GPA, and willing to travel to the awards ceremony in your selected region (Chicago; New York; Los Angeles; Washington, D.C; Phoenix; Dallas; San Antonio; San Diego; Northern California; Miami; Houston; Philadelphia) are eligible. Awards up to $8,000, a laptop computer, and all expenses trip to the 2010 National Youth Award Ceremony.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Hispanic Scholarship Fund Online
http://www.hsf.net (http://www.hsf.net/)
The Education Gateway for U.S. Hispanics. Brought to you by AT&T. HSF scholarships ranging from $500 to $2,500 are available to undergraduate and graduate students of Hispanic parentage who have completed at least fifteen units/credits of undergraduate college work with a minimum GPA of 2.5. Applicants must be enrolled for the fall and spring semester of each year as full-time students, carrying at least six units if they are graduate students or twelve units if they are undergraduates. Applicants must be U.S. citizens or permanent residents and at least half Hispanic background. Send a self-addressed, stamped, business-size (9" x 14") envelope to the Fund's office between August 3 and October 9 to receive an application form or download the application from the Fund's website. For more information, contact: Hispanic Scholarship Fund, One Sansome Street, Suite 1000, San Francisco, CA 94104; telephone: (415) 445-9930; e-mail: info@hsf.net.
Currently offers listings in the following categories:
(1) Gates Millennium Scholars (GMS)
(2) Scholarship Programs for Graduating High School Seniors
(3) College Scholarship Programs
(4) Community College Transfer Scholarship Programs
(5) University Alliance Scholarship Programs
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Houtan Scholarship Foundation
http://www.houtan.org/ (http://www.houtan.org/)
In an attempt to spread the word of the abundant Iranian culture, the Houtan Foundation offers scholarship to students from all origins, Iranian and non-Iranian, who have high academic performance and proven interest in promoting Iran's great culture, heritage, language and civilization. The candidates for the award must demonstrate leadership ability and the desire to make a difference in the society, where they reside. The Houtan Foundation has a strong interest in each of these students’ achievements throughout the scholarship period and beyond, as the foundation’s goal is to participate in each student’s success....At the present time, the Houtan Foundation offers the award of $2,500 per semester which will be given toward a graduate school education for the selected applicant. The award will be offered each fall and spring semester. Please submit the application no later than (June 1st) for fall semester and (Oct. 1st) for spring semester.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Hispanic Scholarships
http://www.educationcorner.com/hispanic-scholarships.html (http://www.educationcorner.com/hispanic-scholarships.html)
A compilation of scholarships from Education Corner.
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Hyatt Hotels Fund for Minority Lodging Management Students
http://www.ahlef.org/content.aspx?id=19828 (http://www.ahlef.org/content.aspx?id=19828)
In 1988, Hyatt established this fund to provide financial aid to minority students pursing a degree in hotel management. Over the years, Hyatt has continued its investment to permanently endow the fund, currently valued at more than $850,000. Since 1988, approximately 237 minority students have received $474,000 through this scholarship.
Also listed under Grants for Individuals : Business
(Last checked 02/24/11)
IBM Research Internship for Black, Hispanic, and Native American Students
http://www.almaden.ibm.com/almaden/diversity/ (http://www.almaden.ibm.com/almaden/diversity/)
IBM sponsors a research internship program for under-represented minorities. The goal is to encourage under-represented sophomore and junior minority students to pursue graduate studies in science and engineering. The internships are salaried positions typically 10 weeks long at one of three IBM research locations (San Jose, CA, Austin, TX, or Yorktown Heights, NY), and include in addition a $2,500 grant, plus the opportunity to work with an IBM mentor. The Watson lab has a full range of research, as does the Almaden lab, and the Austin lab focuses on software and systems. Research areas of the internship are individually chosen so as to optimize the match between the skills and interests of the student, and the ongoing research programs of the laboratory.
Also listed under Grants for Individuals : Internships
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Jackie Robinson Foundation Scholarships for Minority Youth
http://www.jackierobinson.org/ (http://www.jackierobinson.org/)
JRF awards four-year scholarships of up to $6,000 per year to attend so students may attend the four year, accredited college or university of their choice.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Japanese American Citizens League Scholarships
http://www.jacl.org/ (http://www.jacl.org/)
The JACL began its National Scholarship and Awards Programin 1946. The JACL recognizes education as a key to greater opportunities for its members and therefore offers over 30 awards, with an annual total of over $60,000 in scholarships to qualified students nationwide. The National Scholarship and Awards Program offers scholarships to entering freshman, undergraduate, graduate, law, and creative & performing arts students. The National Scholarship and Awards Program also offers a student aid award. All scholarships are one-time awards.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Julian Samora Research Institute Endowed Scholarships
http://www.jsri.msu.edu/commconn/scholarships/jsri.shtml (http://www.jsri.msu.edu/commconn/scholarships/jsri.shtml)
Reserved for full-time Chicano/Latino Michigan State University students. For more information, call (517) 432-1317.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Korean American Scholarship Foundation
http://www.kasf.org/ (http://www.kasf.org/)
The Korean American Scholarship Foundation (KASF) is a non-profit, volunteer-managed organization established to help meet the financial needs of Korean-American students seeking higher education. Founded in 1969 by a small group of concerned individuals in Washington, D.C., the KASF began as a local organization with limited focus and funding resources. However, with the dramatic growth of Korean immigrant communities in the U.S., the KASF has expanded to include other regions and to broaden its funding base. The KASF seeks 1) to assist Korean American students in pursuit of academic and personal achivement, 2) to encourage community and civic service as an integral part of leadership development, and 3) to nurture the sense of pride and confidence in Korean cultural heritage and tradition.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Magic Johnson Foundation
Taylor Michaels Scholarship Program
http://www.magicjohnson.com/index.php?/foundation/programs/taylormichaels/ (http://www.magicjohnson.com/index.php?/foundation/programs/taylormichaels/)
The Taylor Michaels Scholarship Program is designed to provide support for deserving minority high school students who exemplify a strong potential for academic achievement but face social-economic conditions that hinder them from reaching their full potential. Since its inception in 1998, over 200 students have received financial assistance to attend the college/university of their choice. We have scholarship recipients attending Cornell, MIT, UC Berkeley, Morehouse, Azusa Pacific University, Clark-Atlanta University. Unlike most scholarship programs, the Magic Johnson Foundation/Taylor Michaels Scholarship Fund has made a commitment to assist the recipients through their entire undergraduate experience through several unique components including a mentoring program, internship program, and Life and Practical Skills classes.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
MALDEF : The Latino Legal Voice for Civil Rights in America
https://www.maldef.org/assets/pdf/Scholarship_List_2010_2011.pdf (https://www.maldef.org/assets/pdf/Scholarship_List_2010_2011.pdf)
MALDEF provides a comprehensive list of over 100 scholarships offered to students regardless of citizenship status, including undocumented students.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Media Action Network for Asian Americans (MANAA)
Media Scholarship
http://www.manaa.org/2009scholarship.html (http://www.manaa.org/2009scholarship.html)
Deadline : October 30
Offering one $1000 scholarship for currently enrolled graduate and undergraduate students interested in pursuing careers as filmmakers and in television production (not broadcast journalism). Formed in 1992, MANAA is the only organization solely dedicated to monitoring the media and advocating balanced, sensitive, and positive depiction and coverage of the Asian American community.
Also listed under Grants for Individuals -- Communications; Film.
(Last checked 02/24/11)

Pallantides
07-13-2011, 12:28 PM
:eusa_doh:

Closest I could find to a facepalm smiley.

OOPS!! Sorry about that. There seem to be a lot of posters on here who confuse me because their avatars show people of opposing gender to the poster.

Better pay closer attention. LOL

That's me... maybe I need to find a less confusing picture then...:embarrassed

Fortis in Arduis
07-13-2011, 12:28 PM
:eusa_doh:

Closest I could find to a facepalm smiley.

OOPS!! Sorry about that. There seem to be a lot of posters on here who confuse me because their avatars show people of opposing gender to the poster.

Better pay closer attention. LOL

Actually, his avatar is a photo of himself.

rhiannon
07-13-2011, 12:36 PM
That's me... maybe I need to find a less confusing picture then...:embarrassed

You have long hair...and you're pretty. I don't mean that offensively, but you are very nice-looking. Are you into Norse Metal?

The Lawspeaker
07-13-2011, 12:42 PM
^I thought you were married. :p
No flirting allowed.

rhiannon
07-13-2011, 12:42 PM
Actually, yes.


But I'm not saying you have to agree (though I know you're wrong).


<center>Grants for Individuals: Minorities

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Actuarial Scholarships for Minority Students
http://www.actuarialfoundation.org/programs/actuarial/scholarships.shtml#diversity (http://www.actuarialfoundation.org/programs/actuarial/scholarships.shtml#diversity)
To provide scholarships at the undergraduate or graduate level for certain minority students who are interested in pursuing actuarial careers.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
African American Scholarship and Internship Opportunities
http://www.littleafrica.com/resources/scholarships.htm (http://www.littleafrica.com/resources/scholarships.htm)
Courtesy of LittleAfrica.com
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African American Scholarships
http://www.educationcorner.com/african-american-black-scholarships.html (http://www.educationcorner.com/african-american-black-scholarships.html)
A compilation of scholarships from Education Corner.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
American Association of Law Libraries
George A. Strait Minority Scholarship
http://www.aallnet.org/services/sch_strait.asp (http://www.aallnet.org/services/sch_strait.asp)
The $3500 George A. Strait Minority Scholarship is awarded annually to college graduates with meaningful law library experience who are members of a minority group as defined by current U.S. government guidelines, are degree candidates in an accredited library or law school, and who intend to have a career in law librarianship. Applicants must show evidence of financial need. Web page includes application form.
Also listed under Grants for Indviduals - Minorities, Law, Libraries
(Last checked 02/24/11)
American Bar Association (ABA)
Legal Opportunity Scholarship Program
http://www.abanet.org/fje/losfpage.html (http://www.abanet.org/fje/losfpage.html)
The ABA Legal Opportunity Scholarship Program was established to improve diversity in the legal profession by encouraging and supporting racial and ethnic minority law students. The scholarship provides $5,000 of financial assistance annually to each scholarship recipient attending an ABA-accredited law school. Assuming the recipient achieves satisfactory performance in law school, an award made to an entering freshman may be renewed for two additional years, resulting in financial assistance totaling $15,000 during his or her time in law school.
Also listed under Grants for Individuals - Law
(Last checked 02/24/11)
American Chemical Society
Scholars Program
http://portal.acs.org/portal/acs/corg/content?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=PP_TRANSITIONMAIN&node_id=1234&use_sec=false&sec_url_var=region1 (http://portal.acs.org/portal/acs/corg/content?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=PP_TRANSITIONMAIN&node_id=1234&use_sec=false&sec_url_var=region1)
ACS sponsors scholarship programs for qualified applicants who want to enter the fields of chemistry, biochemistry, or chemical engineering, and students seeking a two-year degree in chemical technology. The programs are designed to encourage African-American, Hispanic, and American Indian students to pursue undergraduate college degrees in the chemical sciences and chemical technology. For additional opportunities, check the American Chemical Society Grants and Awards web page (http://portal.acs.org/portal/acs/corg/content?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=PP_FUNDING&node_id=136&use_sec=false)
(Last checked 02/24/11)
American Dream Scholarship Program
http://www.thesalliemaefund.org/smfnew/scholarship/american_dream.html (http://www.thesalliemaefund.org/smfnew/scholarship/american_dream.html)
Established in partnership with the United Negro College Fund, the American Dream Scholarship Program is open to African Americans with financial need. Applicants must be U.S. citizens or permanent residents, with a minimum 2.5 grade point average (on a 4.0 scale), who meet Pell Grant eligibility criteria, and are enrolled full time at approved, accredited, undergraduate institutions. Scholarships range from $500 to $5,000. If you have specific questions about this program, please call UNCF at 1-800-331-2244.
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APS Scholarship for Minority Undergraduate Physics Majors
http://www.aps.org/programs/minorities/honors/scholarship/index.cfm (http://www.aps.org/programs/minorities/honors/scholarship/index.cfm)
Each year, the APS Committee on Minorities in Physics (COM) acts as the selection committee for this scholarship which attracts many excellent applicants. The award consists of $2000 per year for new corporate scholars, and $3000 per year for renewal students to be used for tuition, room & board, educational materials. In addition, each physics department that hosts one or more APS minority undergraduate scholars and assigns a mentor for their student/s will receive a $500 award for programs to encourage minority students. The program is usually able to fund 20-25 new recipients each year.
Also listed under Grants for Individuals - sciences, minorities.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Arab American Institute
Scholarships for American Students of Arab Descent, Arab Students Studying in the United States, and Other Scholarships
http://www.aaiusa.org/foundation/33/scholarships (http://www.aaiusa.org/foundation/33/scholarships)
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Armenian General Benevolent Union
Scholarships and Loans
http://www.agbu.org/programs/projects.asp?program_id=4 (http://www.agbu.org/programs/projects.asp?program_id=4)
The AGBU offers interest-free loans to full-time graduate students of Armenian descent enrolled in most competitive colleges and universities in the United States. Students must start repayment of their loans one year after graduating or leaving school. Awards are in the range of $2,500-7,500. Deadline for returning a completed application is April 1.
The AGBU offers financial assistance to full-time U.S. undergraduate students of Armenian descent enrolled in colleges and universities outside of the U.S. Some selected fields of graduate study will be considered.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Asian American Giving : The Asian American Philanthropy Journal
http://www.asianamericangiving.com/grantsawardsscholarships/ (http://www.asianamericangiving.com/grantsawardsscholarships/)
Asian American Giving serves as the link between Asian American donors, leaders, and the non-profit community. We promote stories of individuals engaged in philanthropy, draw attention to the issues in our community, and highlight trends and patterns in charitable giving. We aspire to be the ultimate source for Asian American philanthropy. Also posts information about scholarships from time to time.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Asian Women in Business Scholarship
http://www.awib.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=Page.ViewPage&PageID=811 (http://www.awib.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=Page.ViewPage&PageID=811)
Deadline : August 1
The Asian Women In Business Scholarship encourages and promotes exceptional Asian female students who have demonstrated scholarship, leadership, community service and/ or entrepreneurship. The AWIB Scholarship Fund awards scholarships to students who have the attributes to be our next generation of leaders. Candidates for the scholarship must be female of Asian (includes those who can trace their ancestry from Bangladesh, Cambodia, China, India, Indonesia, Japan, Korea, Laos, Mongolia, Myanmar, Nepal, Philippines, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Taiwan, Thailand, and Vietnam) or Pacific Islander ancestry.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Aspira Scholarship Information
http://www.aspira.org/manuals/college-information (http://www.aspira.org/manuals/college-information)
The ASPIRA Association, Inc. is the only national nonprofit organization devoted solely to the education and leadership development of Puerto Rican and other Latino youth. ASPIRA takes its name from the Spanish verb aspirar, "aspire." The web page provides links to both financial aid resources specifically geared for Hispanic students as well as more general sources.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Association on American Indian Affairs
http://www.indian-affairs.org/ (http://www.indian-affairs.org/)
Since 1922, the Association on American Indian Affairs has been dedicated to helping Native people and their communities in meeting the challenges they face. One of these challenges is that of paying for a higher education. AAIA assists college students in meeting this challenge through our eight scholarship programs. AAIA offers two graduate fellowships, one scholarship which is open to graduate and undergraduates and five undergraduate scholarships, one of which is available to students from tribes that are state recognized but not federally recognized. AAIA depends on the generosity of our donors to fund our scholarship programs, therefore, availability may change from year to year.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Association on American Indian Affairs
Displaced Homemaker Scholarships
http://www.indian-affairs.org/scholarships/displaced_homemakers.htm (http://www.indian-affairs.org/scholarships/displaced_homemakers.htm)
The Association on American Indian Affairs offers Displaced Homemaker Scholarships in the amount of $1,500 each to those men and women who would not otherwise be able to complete their educational goals due to family responsibilities. This scholarship is for older students who have put off college to raise their children, students who are entering or are returning to college when their children enter school, men or women who have been divorced and had to leave college to singlehandedly care for their children and are now returning, etc. If you have questions about whether you qualify as a displaced homemaker contact Lisa Wyzlic at lw.aaia@verizon.net or 240-314-7155. Funds may be used to assist with childcare, transportation and basic living expenses in addition to educational costs. Disbursement in the amount of $750 is made directly to the college fall and spring semesters pending satisfacotry progress. Spring disbursement requires a copy of the fall semester's grades and a spring semester class schedule. This scholarship does not automatically renew. Students are eligible to apply on a yearly basis.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Association of Latino Professionals in Finance and Accounting
formerly called the American Association of Hispanic Certified Public Accountants
Student Scholarships
http://www.alpfa.org/ (http://www.alpfa.org/)
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Berrien Fragos Thorn, see Thorn
Black College Dollars : Scholarships for African American Students
http://www.thesalliemaefund.org/smfnew/scholarship_directory/index.html (http://www.thesalliemaefund.org/smfnew/scholarship_directory/index.html)
This free scholarship search, geared for African-American students, contains more than 300 scholarships searchable by GPA requirement, academic and career interest, and application deadline.
This directory is a part of The Sallie Mae Fund’s multi-faceted African-American College Access Initiative, launched in October 2005, to improve access to higher education among African-American students. Produced by the Pell Institute for the Study of Opportunity in Higher Education.This free scholarship search, geared for African-American students, contains more than 300 scholarships searchable by GPA requirement, academic and career interest, and application deadline.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Black Excel's 100 Minority Scholarship Gateway List
http://www.blackexcel.org/100minority.htm (http://www.blackexcel.org/100minority.htm)
Black Excel has presented gateways to well over 1000 Scholarships for students nationwide. In the Black Excel African American Student's College Guide (available at major bookstores and at Amazon.com), we list hundreds of scholarships and provide a step-by-step tutorial as to what to do after you get a gigantic list like the one below. Knowing the "rules of play" gives you a tremendous advantage in regard to the A, B, C's of winning scholarships. Note that Black Excel is linked to over 900 websites, and that many colleges are directing their students to our resources and info. -- Isaac Black, Black Excel Founder and Author
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Black Excel's 200 Free Scholarships for Minorities
http://www.blackexcel.org/200-Scholarships.html (http://www.blackexcel.org/200-Scholarships.html)
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Black Greek Scholarships for Books and Supplies
http://www.collegegreekbooks.com/cashaward.html (http://www.collegegreekbooks.com/cashaward.html)
All students with a minimum 2.0 GPA or C Average in any accredited college or university that has a Greek Social setting may apply. Each Applicant will be asked to fill out a one-page application, provide a copy of their current school registration and transcript, and write or photocopy their school’s “hazing policy”.
Also listed under Grants for Individuals - Undergraduates.
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Black Men Building Resources Scholarship
http://www.grfoundation.org/scholarshipslist (http://www.grfoundation.org/scholarshipslist)
Restricted to African American Kent County high school graduates or GED recipients who have been accepted to an accredited institution to pursue a degree, certificate, or license in an occupational-related curriculum. Administered by the Grand Rapids Community Foundation.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Chaldean Federation of America
Offers up to 10 scholarships to students of Chaldean heritage. For more informtion contact Chaldean Federation of American, 1874 West 10 Mile Road, Southfield, MI 48075, (248) 557-2362.
Chippewa County Community Foundation
Paul and Emily Shagen Scholarship
Reserved for enrolled members of the Sault Ste Marie Tribe of Chippewa Indians to attend college or vocational schools. Contact the foundation via letter at P.O. Box 1979, 138 Ridge St., Sault Ste. Marie, MI 49783-7979; by telephone at (906) 635-1046; by fax at (906) 635-7368 for more information.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
CINTAS Foundation Fellowships.
http://www.cintasfoundation.org/ (http://www.cintasfoundation.org/)
Cintas Fellowships acknowledge creative accomplishments and encourage excellence in architecture, literature, music composition and the visual arts. Eligibility is limited to artists of Cuban citizenship or direct descent (having a Cuban parent or grandparent). Artists are recommended for fellowships by panels of qualified members from each artistic discipline. The Board of the Cintas Foundation, Inc., awards fellowhips based on the recommendations of the panels. Cintas Fellows are free to pursue their artistic activities as they wish. The fellowships are not awarded for academic study or research, or to performing artists. Fellowships are not awarded more than twice to the same person. Second awards are granted only to candidates demonstrating outstanding artistic development. Fellowships are awarded annually in the amount of $15,000 each and are paid in quarterly stipends, beginning in September, for twelve consecutive months. The award is currently considered taxable income.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
The CIRI Foundation (TCF)
http://www.thecirifoundation.org (http://www.thecirifoundation.org/)
“A 501(c)(3) private foundation, the CIRI Foundation awards scholarships to Alaska Natives who are original enrollees of CIRI and their direct lineal descendants as defined by the Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act of 1971 (ANCSA).”
Our (TCF) mission is to promote individual self-development and economic self-sufficiency through education and to maintain pride in culture and heritage among Alaska Natives who are original enrollees of Cook Inlet Region and their descendants. The major goal of The CIRI Foundation (TCF) is to encourage the education and career development of the Foundation’s Alaska Native beneficiaries through post secondary scholarships and grants, research and other education projects. A second goal is to perpetuate and enhance the heritage of Cook Inlet Region’s Alaska Native people through programs that foster appreciation and understanding by the general public.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Coca-Cola Scholars Foundation Scholarships
https://www.coca-colascholars.org/cokeWeb/index.jsp (https://www.coca-colascholars.org/cokeWeb/index.jsp)
The program is open to all high school seniors in the United States from 26,000 high schools. Coca-Cola Scholars come from all 50 states and more than one-third are minorities. The Scholars represent a cross-section of outstanding young people, characterized by their educational excellence, leadership in their schools and commitment to their communities. web site provides application form.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Coleman A. Young Foundation
http://www.cayf.org/ (http://www.cayf.org/)
Coleman A. Young Scholars Program sponsors 4 year, renewable scholarships with a total value of $16,000, payable in annual $4,000 increments. Program focuses on assisting Detroit minority youth.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Colgate Haz La U (Make the U) Hispanic Scholarship Program
http://www.colgate.com/app/Colgate/US/Corp/CommunityPrograms/Haz-La-U.cvsp (http://www.colgate.com/app/Colgate/US/Corp/CommunityPrograms/Haz-La-U.cvsp),br> Deadline : December 31, 2010
This program, launched in partnership with the Hispanic Scholarship Fund (HSF), aims to award educational grants to eligible Hispanic students pursuing higher education. High school seniors are encouraged to apply for the opportunity to win a $15,000 educational grant, or one of ten $2,500 additional grants. In order to apply, you must answer each of the following questions in 500 words or less:


How has your Hispanic heritage influenced your academic and personal long term goals?
How do you contribute to your community? What you have learned from your experiences?
Describe a recent academic challenge you have faced, and how you have overcome it.


(Last checked 02/24/11) College Scholarships for African American Students
http://www.abetterchance.org/abetterchance.aspx?pgID=1078 (http://www.abetterchance.org/abetterchance.aspx?pgID=1078)
Courtesy of a Better Chance.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
College Scholarships for Asian American Students
http://www.abetterchance.org/abetterchance.aspx?pgID=1080 (http://www.abetterchance.org/abetterchance.aspx?pgID=1080)
Courtesy of a Better Chance.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
College Scholarships for Latinos and Hispanic Students
http://www.abetterchance.org/abetterchance.aspx?pgID=1081 (http://www.abetterchance.org/abetterchance.aspx?pgID=1081)
Courtesy of a Better Chance.
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College Scholarships for Native American Students
http://www.abetterchance.org/abetterchance.aspx?pgID=1082 (http://www.abetterchance.org/abetterchance.aspx?pgID=1082)
Courtesy of a Better Chance.
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College Scholarships, Graduate Fellowships, and Postdoctoral Awards : African Americans / Blacks
http://scholarships.fatomei.com/african.html (http://scholarships.fatomei.com/african.html)
A compilation of resources by Francisco Alberto Tomei Torres, Ph.D.
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College Scholarships, Graduate Fellowships and Postdoctoral Awards for Minorities
http://scholarships.fatomei.com/minorities.html (http://scholarships.fatomei.com/minorities.html)
Covers African Americans, Hispanics, Latinos (Mexican Americans, Chicanos, Puerto Ricans, Cubans, Dominicans, South and Central Americans), Native Alaskans (Aleuts, Inuit, Eskimos), Native Americans, Native Pacific Islanders (Hawaiians, Polynesians or Micronesians). A compilation of resources by Francisco Alberto Tomei Torres, Ph.D.
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College Scholarships, Graduate Fellowships, and Postdoctoral Awards for Native Americans
http://scholarships.fatomei.com/native.html (http://scholarships.fatomei.com/native.html)
Covers Aboriginal Canadians, Native Alaskans (Aleuts, Inuit, Eskimos), Native Americans, Native Pacific Islanders (Hawaiians, Polynesians or Micronesians). A compilation of resources by Francisco Alberto Tomei Torres, Ph.D.
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Committee on Institutional Cooperation (CIC)
Minority Graduate Application Fee Waiver
http://www.cic.net/Home/Students/FreeApp/Introduction.aspx (http://www.cic.net/Home/Students/FreeApp/Introduction.aspx)
The CIC FreeApp program is designed to expand participation of underrepresented students in graduate education. Through this program, prospective students can apply for a graduate application fee waiver or request graduate information for Ph.D. or Master of Fine Arts programs at CIC institutions, which includes all Big Ten schools plus the University of Chicago.
MSU students desiring more information about the FreeApp program can contact : Trina Trefil, Michigan State University, The Graduate School, 118 Linton Hall, East Lansing, Michigan 48824; Phone: 517-353-4738; Email: trefiltr@msu.edu
Also listed under Grants for Individuals -- Graduate
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Committee on Institutional Cooperation (CIC)
Summer Research Opportunities Program (SROP)
http://www.cic.net/Home/Students/SROP/Introduction.aspx (http://www.cic.net/Home/Students/SROP/Introduction.aspx)
Minority undergraduates are invited to apply for a summer program designed to prepare them for graduate study and faculty careers. Eligible applicants are African Americans, Native Americans, Mexican Americans and Puerto Ricans who are sophomores or juniors majoring in any field. During the eight-to-ten week summer session, students work on a research project guided by a faculty mentor and are able to explore a topic of interest at one of 15 host CIC universities (University of Chicago, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, University of Illinois at Chicago, Indiana University, Indiana University/Puurdue University at Indianapolis, University of Iowa, University of Michigan, Michigan State University, University of Minnesota, Northwestern University, Ohio State University, Pennsylvania State University, Purdue University, University of Wisconsin-Madison and the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee). Each student receives a stipend of at least $2,500 for the summer, plus up to $1,100 toward board and travel to and from the host institution. The faculty mentor may receive $500 toward the cost of the student's research project.
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Community Development Work Study Program (CDWS)
http://www.oup.org/programs/aboutCDWSP.asp (http://www.oup.org/programs/aboutCDWSP.asp)
To attract more minority and disadvantaged students to academic programs in community planning and development, HUD's Office of University Partnerships has created the Community Development Work Study Program (CDWSP). Colleges and universities throughout the United States use this program to offer financial aid and work experience to students enrolled in a full-time graduate program in community development or a closely related field such as urban planning, public policy, or public administration.
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Conference on Asian Pacific American Leadership (CAPAL)
http://www.capal.org (http://www.capal.org/)
The Conference on Asian Pacific American Leadership (CAPAL) is awarding $2,000 scholarships to three outstanding Asian Pacific American (APA) college students interning in the Washington, D.C., area during the summer of 2005. Eligibility is open to both undergraduate and graduate students. Awarded annually since 1992, CAPAL scholarships are intended to enable outstanding APA students to work full-time and learn about ways to affect public policy that benefit their communities. With these scholarships, CAPAL hopes to provide APA students with the financial means to successfully complete their summer internships. Applications can be downloaded from the CAPAL website. For more information, call (202) 270-6897 or e-mail capalscholar@gmail.com.
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Congressional Black Caucus Foundation
Scholarship Opportunities
http://cbcfinc.org/cbcf-scholarships.html (http://cbcfinc.org/cbcf-scholarships.html)
Consistent with its mission to provide educational opportunities to a new generation of leaders, the CBC Foundation demonstrates its commitment by sponsoring a number of educational programs. Current opportunities include:
(1) CBC Spouses Flexible Education Scholarship
(2) CBC Spouses Education Scholarship Fund
(3) CBC Spouses Cheerios Brand Health Initiative Scholarship
(4) CBC Spouses Performing Arts Scholarship Program
(5) CBC Spouses Visual Arts Scholarship
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Congressional Hispanic Caucus Institute
Scholarship Opportunities
http://www.chci.org/scholarships/ (http://www.chci.org/scholarships/)
Scholarships are awarded to Latino students who have a history of performing public service-oriented activities in their communities and who demonstrate a desire to continue their civic engagement in the future. There is no GPA or major requirement. Students with excellent leadership potential are encouraged to apply. In 2008, through our partnerships with Dell, Inc. and Microsoft, CHCI distributed fully loaded Dell Notebooks to 100 first-year, undergraduate Scholars.
Also check out the 2011 National Directory of Scholarships, Internships, and Fellowships for Latino Students (http://www.chci.org/doclib/20112141737204152-CHCIDirectory6thEdition.pdf?trail=201152785733)
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Costco Pharmacy Scholar Program
http://scholarships.hispanicfund.org/applications/subsectionID.1,pageID.150/default.asp (http://scholarships.hispanicfund.org/applications/subsectionID.1,pageID.150/default.asp)
Award: A multi-year scholarship, up to $9,500 to cover tuition, books and fees, through their education
Deadline: March 15
Eligibility Requirements:
(1) be pursuing a degree in Pharmacy
(2) come from an Hispanic background
(3) be a U.S. Citizen or Permanent Resident
(4) demonstrate financial need
(5) have a GPA of 3.0 or higher
(6) have completed one-year of pharmacy school or are in their second year into their pharmacy education
If you have any questions, you can contact us at hcf-info@hispanicfund.org or you can reach our main contact Angelina Paniagua at 1-800-644-4223. Source: Hispanic College Fund Staff.
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Council of Higher Education Scholarship Program for Students of Czech, Slovak or Ruthenian Descent
http://sms.scholarshipamerica.org/councilofhighereducation/ (http://sms.scholarshipamerica.org/councilofhighereducation/)
Deadline : April 1
The Council of Higher Education has established a scholarship program for U.S. and Canadian students of Czech, Slovak, or Ruthenian descent who plan to continue education in undergraduate and graduate programs. Renewable scholarships are offered each year for full-time study at an accredited academic institution of the student's choice.
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Cuban American Scholarship Fund
http://www.aie.org/Scholarships/detail.cfm?ID=15597 (http://www.aie.org/Scholarships/detail.cfm?ID=15597)
The Cuban American Scholarship Fund awards scholarships to high school seniors and undergraduate students of Cuban descent. Students must have a GPA of 3.0 or better and must attend a university in California on a full-time basis. Awards range from $500 to $2,000. For more information, contact: Mr. Victor Cueto, Cuban American Scholarship Fund, P.O. Box 6422, Santa Ana, CA 92706; Tel: (714) 835-7676; Fax: (714) 835-7776; E-mail: lawvictorcueto@aol.com
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Detroit Branch of the NAACP Scholarships
http://www.detroitnaacp.org/education/naacpscholarships.asp (http://www.detroitnaacp.org/education/naacpscholarships.asp)
Current offerings include:
(1) Earl G. Graves Scholarship
Award Amount - $5,000 ($2,500/semester)
For enrolled junior or seniors majoring in Business or a Graduate student enrolled to a Masters or Doctorial program within a Business School.
(2) Agnes Jones Jackson Scholarship
Undergraduate Award Amount - $1,500
Graduate Award Amount - $2,500
For Undergraduate and Graduate students under the age of twenty-five.
(3) Louis Stokes Scholarship
Award Amount - $2,000 ($1,000/semester)
For incoming freshman majoring in Engineering, Science, Computer Science or Mathematical Sciences.
(4) Lillian and Samuel Sutton Scholarship
Undergraduate Award Amount - $1,000 ($500/semester)
Graduate Award Amount - $2,000 ($1,000/semester)
For Undergraduate and Graduate students majoring in Education.
(5) Roy Wilkins Scholarship
Award Amount - $1,000 ($500/semester)
For entering freshman only.
(6) Hubertus W. V. Willems Scholarship
Undergraduate Award Amount - $2,000 ($1,000/semester)
Graduate Award Amount - $3,000 ($1,500/semester)
For Undergraduate and Graduate male students majoring in Engineering, Chemistry, Physics or Mathematics.
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Detroit College Promise
http://www.detroitcollegepromise.com/ (http://www.detroitcollegepromise.com/)
FAQs (http://www.detroitcollegepromise.com/dcpfaq.html)
Follow us on Twitter (http://twitter.com/detroitcollege).
To find us on Facebook, just search for Detroit College Promise.
The Detroit College Promise is a 501(c)(3) public charity that provides tuition scholarships to Michigan public colleges and universities for Detroit Public School students. It is improving the Detroit Public Schools by encouraging DPS parents and students to plan for a college education, and by motivating parents with college aspirations for their children to move into Detroit and the Detroit Public Schools. As a result, it is helping to transform Detroit into a center of brainpower with a high proportion of college graduates, and is promoting economic development for Detroit and the region.
As of December 2009, we are providing scholarships to the following schools (including number and amount):
(1) Cody Upper: unlimited, $500/year for 4 years
(2) Douglass: unlimited, $500/year for 4 years
(3) Cass Tech: 2, $500 for one year
(4) Central: 2, $500 for one year
(5) Pershing: 2, $500 for one year
(6) Trombly: 2, $500 for one year
(7) Coming soon : no scholarships for other DPS high schools this year, but we hope to offer at least 2 scholarships at each of the remaining DPS high schools next year.
For more information, please contact Nat Pernick, M.D., Executive Director, The Detroit College Promise, 30100 Telegraph Road, Suite 408, Bingham Farms, MI 48025; Telephone: (248) 646-3269; Email: NatPernick@hotmail.com.
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Diversity Pipeline Alliance
http://www.diversitypipeline.org/ (http://www.diversitypipeline.org/)
A comprehensive resource for African Americans, Hispanic Americans and Native Americans interested in pursuing business and management studies. You'll find information about MBA programs, financial aid, internships and business careers.
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Financial Aid Directory for Students of Armenian Descent
http://www.aaainc.org/fileadmin/aaainc/pdf_1/2010_Q1/Financial_Aid_Directory-2006.pdf (http://www.aaainc.org/fileadmin/aaainc/pdf_1/2010_Q1/Financial_Aid_Directory-2006.pdf)
Armenian Assembly of America, 7th edition, October 2006.
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Financial Aid, College Scholarships, Graduate Fellowships and Postdoctoral Awards for Hispanic Americans
http://scholarships.fatomei.com/hispanics.html (http://scholarships.fatomei.com/hispanics.html)
Covers Puerto Ricans, Jíbaros, Boricuas, Cubanos, Guajiros, Dominicanos, Quisqueyanos, South and Central Americans, Mexican Americans, Chicanos, Latinos. A compilation of resources by Francisco Alberto Tomei Torres, Ph.D. Focuses on Latinos, Hispanics, Chicanos, Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, Cubans, Dominicans, South and Central Americans.
(Last checked 02/24/11)
Financial Aid for Native American Students
http://www.finaid.org/otheraid/natamind.phtml (http://www.finaid.org/otheraid/natamind.phtml)
This page provides information about financial aid for Native American students, compiled with the assistance of Donovan Gomez, Executive Director of the San Juan Pueblo Department of Education. In addition to spelling out requirements for Native American status, the FastWEB scholarship search lists 70 active award sources for Native American students only, 11 award sources for Native American or Native Alaskan students, and hundreds of awards for minority students.
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Financial Aid, Scholarships, Fellowships, and Postdoctoral Awards : Ethnic Groups and Studies
http://scholarships.fatomei.com/ethnic.html (http://scholarships.fatomei.com/ethnic.html)
A compilation of resources by Francisco Alberto Tomei Torres, Ph.D.
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First in My Family Scholarship Program
http://www.thesalliemaefund.org/smfnew/scholarship/first_family.html (http://www.thesalliemaefund.org/smfnew/scholarship/first_family.html)
The First in My Family Scholarship Program, developed in partnership with the Hispanic College Fund, offers scholarships to Hispanic-American students who are the first in their family to attend college and have financial need. The program is open to Hispanic Americans who are U.S. citizens or permanent residents enrolled as full time undergraduate students at approved, accredited institutions. Students must have a minimum grade point average of 3.0 (on a 4.0 scale). Scholarships range from $500 to $5,000. If you have specific questions about this program, please call HCF at 1-800-644-4223.
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Ford Foundation Dissertation Diversity Fellowships
http://www7.nationalacademies.org/fordfellowships/forddiss.html (http://www7.nationalacademies.org/fordfellowships/forddiss.html)
Through its program of Diversity Fellowships, the Ford Foundation seeks to increase the diversity of the nation’s college and university faculties by increasing their ethnic and racial diversity, to maximize the educational benefits of diversity, and to increase the number of professors who can and will use diversity as a resource for enriching the education of all students. This year the program will award approximately 35 dissertation fellowships.
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Hispanic Heritage Foundation
Youth Awards
http://hhfawards.hispanicheritage.org/2010/forms/login.php (http://hhfawards.hispanicheritage.org/2010/forms/login.php)
Graduating high school seniors of Hispanic Heritage planning to enroll in college in the fall, minimum 3.0 GPA, and willing to travel to the awards ceremony in your selected region (Chicago; New York; Los Angeles; Washington, D.C; Phoenix; Dallas; San Antonio; San Diego; Northern California; Miami; Houston; Philadelphia) are eligible. Awards up to $8,000, a laptop computer, and all expenses trip to the 2010 National Youth Award Ceremony.
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Hispanic Scholarship Fund Online
http://www.hsf.net (http://www.hsf.net/)
The Education Gateway for U.S. Hispanics. Brought to you by AT&T. HSF scholarships ranging from $500 to $2,500 are available to undergraduate and graduate students of Hispanic parentage who have completed at least fifteen units/credits of undergraduate college work with a minimum GPA of 2.5. Applicants must be enrolled for the fall and spring semester of each year as full-time students, carrying at least six units if they are graduate students or twelve units if they are undergraduates. Applicants must be U.S. citizens or permanent residents and at least half Hispanic background. Send a self-addressed, stamped, business-size (9" x 14") envelope to the Fund's office between August 3 and October 9 to receive an application form or download the application from the Fund's website. For more information, contact: Hispanic Scholarship Fund, One Sansome Street, Suite 1000, San Francisco, CA 94104; telephone: (415) 445-9930; e-mail: info@hsf.net.
Currently offers listings in the following categories:
(1) Gates Millennium Scholars (GMS)
(2) Scholarship Programs for Graduating High School Seniors
(3) College Scholarship Programs
(4) Community College Transfer Scholarship Programs
(5) University Alliance Scholarship Programs
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Houtan Scholarship Foundation
http://www.houtan.org/ (http://www.houtan.org/)
In an attempt to spread the word of the abundant Iranian culture, the Houtan Foundation offers scholarship to students from all origins, Iranian and non-Iranian, who have high academic performance and proven interest in promoting Iran's great culture, heritage, language and civilization. The candidates for the award must demonstrate leadership ability and the desire to make a difference in the society, where they reside. The Houtan Foundation has a strong interest in each of these students’ achievements throughout the scholarship period and beyond, as the foundation’s goal is to participate in each student’s success....At the present time, the Houtan Foundation offers the award of $2,500 per semester which will be given toward a graduate school education for the selected applicant. The award will be offered each fall and spring semester. Please submit the application no later than (June 1st) for fall semester and (Oct. 1st) for spring semester.
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Hispanic Scholarships
http://www.educationcorner.com/hispanic-scholarships.html (http://www.educationcorner.com/hispanic-scholarships.html)
A compilation of scholarships from Education Corner.
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Hyatt Hotels Fund for Minority Lodging Management Students
http://www.ahlef.org/content.aspx?id=19828 (http://www.ahlef.org/content.aspx?id=19828)
In 1988, Hyatt established this fund to provide financial aid to minority students pursing a degree in hotel management. Over the years, Hyatt has continued its investment to permanently endow the fund, currently valued at more than $850,000. Since 1988, approximately 237 minority students have received $474,000 through this scholarship.
Also listed under Grants for Individuals : Business
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IBM Research Internship for Black, Hispanic, and Native American Students
http://www.almaden.ibm.com/almaden/diversity/ (http://www.almaden.ibm.com/almaden/diversity/)
IBM sponsors a research internship program for under-represented minorities. The goal is to encourage under-represented sophomore and junior minority students to pursue graduate studies in science and engineering. The internships are salaried positions typically 10 weeks long at one of three IBM research locations (San Jose, CA, Austin, TX, or Yorktown Heights, NY), and include in addition a $2,500 grant, plus the opportunity to work with an IBM mentor. The Watson lab has a full range of research, as does the Almaden lab, and the Austin lab focuses on software and systems. Research areas of the internship are individually chosen so as to optimize the match between the skills and interests of the student, and the ongoing research programs of the laboratory.
Also listed under Grants for Individuals : Internships
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Jackie Robinson Foundation Scholarships for Minority Youth
http://www.jackierobinson.org/ (http://www.jackierobinson.org/)
JRF awards four-year scholarships of up to $6,000 per year to attend so students may attend the four year, accredited college or university of their choice.
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Japanese American Citizens League Scholarships
http://www.jacl.org/ (http://www.jacl.org/)
The JACL began its National Scholarship and Awards Programin 1946. The JACL recognizes education as a key to greater opportunities for its members and therefore offers over 30 awards, with an annual total of over $60,000 in scholarships to qualified students nationwide. The National Scholarship and Awards Program offers scholarships to entering freshman, undergraduate, graduate, law, and creative & performing arts students. The National Scholarship and Awards Program also offers a student aid award. All scholarships are one-time awards.
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Julian Samora Research Institute Endowed Scholarships
http://www.jsri.msu.edu/commconn/scholarships/jsri.shtml (http://www.jsri.msu.edu/commconn/scholarships/jsri.shtml)
Reserved for full-time Chicano/Latino Michigan State University students. For more information, call (517) 432-1317.
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Korean American Scholarship Foundation
http://www.kasf.org/ (http://www.kasf.org/)
The Korean American Scholarship Foundation (KASF) is a non-profit, volunteer-managed organization established to help meet the financial needs of Korean-American students seeking higher education. Founded in 1969 by a small group of concerned individuals in Washington, D.C., the KASF began as a local organization with limited focus and funding resources. However, with the dramatic growth of Korean immigrant communities in the U.S., the KASF has expanded to include other regions and to broaden its funding base. The KASF seeks 1) to assist Korean American students in pursuit of academic and personal achivement, 2) to encourage community and civic service as an integral part of leadership development, and 3) to nurture the sense of pride and confidence in Korean cultural heritage and tradition.
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Magic Johnson Foundation
Taylor Michaels Scholarship Program
http://www.magicjohnson.com/index.php?/foundation/programs/taylormichaels/ (http://www.magicjohnson.com/index.php?/foundation/programs/taylormichaels/)
The Taylor Michaels Scholarship Program is designed to provide support for deserving minority high school students who exemplify a strong potential for academic achievement but face social-economic conditions that hinder them from reaching their full potential. Since its inception in 1998, over 200 students have received financial assistance to attend the college/university of their choice. We have scholarship recipients attending Cornell, MIT, UC Berkeley, Morehouse, Azusa Pacific University, Clark-Atlanta University. Unlike most scholarship programs, the Magic Johnson Foundation/Taylor Michaels Scholarship Fund has made a commitment to assist the recipients through their entire undergraduate experience through several unique components including a mentoring program, internship program, and Life and Practical Skills classes.
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MALDEF : The Latino Legal Voice for Civil Rights in America
https://www.maldef.org/assets/pdf/Scholarship_List_2010_2011.pdf (https://www.maldef.org/assets/pdf/Scholarship_List_2010_2011.pdf)
MALDEF provides a comprehensive list of over 100 scholarships offered to students regardless of citizenship status, including undocumented students.
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Media Action Network for Asian Americans (MANAA)
Media Scholarship
http://www.manaa.org/2009scholarship.html (http://www.manaa.org/2009scholarship.html)
Deadline : October 30
Offering one $1000 scholarship for currently enrolled graduate and undergraduate students interested in pursuing careers as filmmakers and in television production (not broadcast journalism). Formed in 1992, MANAA is the only organization solely dedicated to monitoring the media and advocating balanced, sensitive, and positive depiction and coverage of the Asian American community.
Also listed under Grants for Individuals -- Communications; Film.
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Those are all private. Most of them are very honorable and should exist. Of course, I am a big proponent of education, especially for those who've had a helluva lot more to overcome to even think about college.

I'm curious about something, do you know any nonwhites, Austin? If so, have you ever sat and had a talk with one about his/her life experiences as a nonwhite person? If not, would you ever consider doing such a thing in order to broaden your own perspective? I am not trying to ram the whole *bleeding heart thing* down your gullet or anything, but you really might learn something if you did. :)

One more thing, I had enough stuff to keep me busy during my college years that I never even looked that hard for any scholarship. I did not have the time to apply.

Pretty sure I could have found a few for me, if I had really taken the time to look, however.

rhiannon
07-13-2011, 12:44 PM
^I thought you were married. :p
No flirting allowed.

I am married, but I'm not dead. LOL:p

Austin
07-13-2011, 12:46 PM
Those are all private. Most of them are very honorable and should exist. Of course I am a big proponent of education, especially for those who've had a helluva lot more to overcome to even think about college.

I'm curious about something, do you know any nonwhites, Austin? If so, have you ever sat and had a talk with one about his/her life experiences as a nonwhite person? If not, would you ever consider doing such a thing in order to broaden your own perspective? I am not trying to ram the whole *bleeding heart thing* down your gullet or anything, but you really might learn something if you did. :)

One more thing, I had enough stuff to keep me busy during my college years that I never even looked that hard for any scholarship. I did not have the time to apply.

Pretty sure I could have found a few for me, if I had really taken the time to look, however.


What city did you grow up in?

I have lived in a 75%, non-white, Mestizo rape-spawn city my whole life. I've known many of them.

They speak bad Spanish. They abuse the welfare system. They steal. They engage in gang-activity. They sell drugs. They corrupt police forces.


You sound somewhat to me like a North Western, white, liberal, dunce with no real minority experience, pardon my wording.

The Lawspeaker
07-13-2011, 12:48 PM
Frankly. I don't think you have, Austin, you sound like the typically gated-community suburbian that has been watching too much FOX.

I have a couple of Mexican, Venezuelan and black friends and at least those people are not like what you claim they are but then again two of them are upper-middle class in their own countries, one of them is just a normal girl and the other one a trained nurse.

rhiannon
07-13-2011, 12:50 PM
What city did you grow up in?

I have lived in a 75% non-white Mestizo rape-spawn city my whole life. I've knows many of them.

They speak bad Spanish. They abuse the welfare system. The steal. They engage in gang-activity. They sell drugs. They corrupt police forces.


You sound somewhat to me like a North Western, white, liberal, dunce with no real minority experience, pardon my wording.

I'm from Los Angeles. I've known plenty of them, too. Kindly refrain from insults, please, if you wish to continue discussing anything with me. I am a product of the second largest school district in the nation, and even when I was growing up, about half of the population of that district was Hispanic. Now it's even larger.

I lived amongst people of many backgrounds.

I am no dunce, and did not appreciate your commentary.

Austin
07-13-2011, 12:53 PM
I'm from Los Angeles. I've known plenty of them, too. Kindly refrain from insults, please, if you wish to continue discussing anything with me. I am a product of the second largest school district in the nation, and even when I was growing up, about half of the population of that district was Hispanic. Now it's even larger.

I lived amongst people of many backgrounds.

I am no dunce, and did not appreciate your commentary.


I never started insulting you, you called me a Nazi and a few other things and I responded. =-)

Fortis in Arduis
07-13-2011, 12:53 PM
I think that interracial works in prosperous times, but bec

The Lawspeaker
07-13-2011, 12:53 PM
I never started insulting you, you called me a Nazi and a few other things and I responded. =-)
You're not a Nazi. German National Socialists usually had some class and a lot of them were very well-rounded, well-educated people.

rhiannon
07-13-2011, 12:55 PM
I never started insulting you, you called me a Nazi and a few other things and I responded. =-)

That was yesterday. I even apologized. Do you forget things that fast? Today, I have not insulted you once. Don't plan to, either. But if you wish to engage with me at all, I wish you'd do the same.

Thank you!

Austin
07-13-2011, 12:58 PM
That was yesterday. I even apologized. Do you forget things that fast? Today, I have not insulted you once. Don't plan to, either. But if you wish to engage with me at all, I wish you'd do the same.

Thank you!


I think we're on the same side. I support feminism because it is a superb racial apartheid stealth movement.

I just wish you could admit that you engage in colorblind racism via white feminism.

rhiannon
07-13-2011, 01:00 PM
I think we're on the same side. I support feminism because it is a superb racial apartheid stealth movement.

I just wish you could admit that you engage in colorblind racism via white feminism.

Fair enough. Any 'racism' I may be engaging in, though, is certainly not being done so intentionally.

Institutional racism is a fact of life. It affects everyone, and can sometimes go in different directions.

Austin
07-13-2011, 01:09 PM
Fair enough. Any 'racism' I may be engaging in, though, is certainly not being done so intentionally.

Institutional racism is a fact of life. It affects everyone, and can sometimes go in different directions.


You should just accept the racialist aspects inside your default ideology whatever that may be. Racism created the wonderful world you reside in currently. You would never have gone to college had it not been for white supremacy in various forms that you refuse to acknowledge.

I believe in liberal values, yet I understand full well that liberalism only works in a white society as does democracy. Racialism is a core aspect to all modern white liberals whether they know it or not, the difference is you have never internally accepted this and I have.

Whites areas are the only liberal areas of the world, no matter where you are.

Fortis in Arduis
07-13-2011, 01:11 PM
I think that interracial works best in prosperous times, but becomes a liability in times of strife.

People often forge such relationships as a result of a reduction in circumstances, lack of access to, or rejection by members of their own ethnic community.

Optimum outbreeding is union between those not too closely related and those not too distanced.

Mixed-race individuals are more heavily represented in the prison population than minorities in the UK.

Whether this is because interracial is a low class activity, or because mixed individuals face negative discrimination, or feel unrelated to the society they are born into, or fall prey to autonomic nervous system disorders which affect behaviour, I have no idea and will not theorise, but it looks like a negative trend to me, and I know that such individuals find it even harder to find a tissue match, for bone marrow transplants, should they require one.

History suggests that people do mix, and then their societies fail.

I am against the experiment but very much for identity, and for full unbridled investigation into this phenomenon with no politically-correct sacred cows.

I am against the negative trends which seem to act as harbingers for this indignity, which often seem to suggest an iniquitous imbalance of power, such as poor women marrying rich men of another ethnicity, or women choosing to 'down-date' men whose ethnicity holds a lower status in their collective society.

Pallantides
07-13-2011, 01:14 PM
You have long hair...and you're pretty. I don't mean that offensively, but you are very nice-looking. Are you into Norse Metal?

Yeah.;)

rhiannon
07-13-2011, 01:15 PM
Yeah.;)

Very cool, indeed. I have a thing for Germanic Gothic Music. LOVE it.

rhiannon
07-13-2011, 01:49 PM
Couple of things also here..
1.- has this thread gone sideways from an original question of thoughts on interracial relationships to something else?
2.- it is a genetic fact that even though some trades are "lost" in the next generation of off-springs, those same trades will come back in the later generations, so basically the x-y cromozomes just need their time to mix in the right conditions.

You are correct. This explains why two biracial (black/white mix) individuals can end up with a child with light blonde hair, light eyes, and europid features. Simple Mendelian genetics.

rhiannon
07-13-2011, 01:53 PM
Right but it isn't a European. It's a mixed race person.

Austin, I am not getting the impression you understand how genetics really work. You're a pretty young guy still, so this is not meant as an insult....just an observation based on your posts discussing Heidi Klum's children.

Grumpy Cat
07-13-2011, 01:59 PM
You're just angry that you can't piss standing up like men :D!

Sure we can, with the help of P-Mates. :lol:

http://www.femalefreedom.ca/images/pmate/package.gif

P-Mate - Female Freedom - The Freedom to Pee Standing Up (http://www.femalefreedom.ca/)

Seriously, feminists have their priorities off. 1 in 4 women are still victims of domestic violence but who cares? We can now pee standing up! :coffee:

rhiannon
07-13-2011, 02:04 PM
Ja riktig. : D


Yeah right:) Ja, richtig en Deutch, aber Ja riktig en Niederlyndisch?

You guys are driving me crazy because my German is really, really rusty. I'm gettin' the gist of about 75% of all these non-English posts, but just can't quite get over the hump of a full translation.

Dammit!

rhiannon
07-13-2011, 02:05 PM
Sure we can, with the help of P-Mates. :lol:

http://www.femalefreedom.ca/images/pmate/package.gif

P-Mate - Female Freedom - The Freedom to Pee Standing Up (http://www.femalefreedom.ca/)

Seriously, feminists have their priorities off. 1 in 4 women are still victims of domestic violence but who cares? We can now pee standing up! :coffee:

:rofl:

Grumpy Cat
07-13-2011, 02:11 PM
I dunno, those things might be useful on a bad date haha:

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rhiannon
07-13-2011, 02:13 PM
White America is culturally European by its nature. We didn't disconnect the connection and invent something new over here. We took Europe with us, and her fingerprints are everywhere.

Cheesypie....coming from a fellow American, mind you, our American culture is, well, kind of 'Cheesy' to be brutally honest, and bereft of a whole lot of 'true' substance.

It's movies, rockstars, hollywood, baseball, football, etc etc etc. There's no real culture in any true sense to any of it. It's pop culture, nothing more, and nothing less.

Our country is not old enough to know what true culture is. Not in the grand scheme of things...

rhiannon
07-13-2011, 02:18 PM
Why are you guys trying so hard to be Europeans anyway? Just be proud of who you are, not what your ancestors were 200 years ago :lol:

This question requires a thoughtful answer. One I would like to give when my head stops hurting. I will answer this later tonight for sure. Just wanted you to know:)

rhiannon
07-13-2011, 02:22 PM
Well that's obvious. Mostly in what is now the UK, Germany, France, Italy, Poland, Ireland, Scandinavia and Russia, with all the others to lesser extents.

:noidea::confused3::scratch:

Huh??? (response after above poster gave the above answer after being shown a map of Europe and asked to show where the United States could be found on that map.....lolololol)

:rofl_002:

Austin
07-13-2011, 02:33 PM
Austin, I am not getting the impression you understand how genetics really work. You're a pretty young guy still, so this is not meant as an insult....just an observation based on your posts discussing Heidi Klum's children.


Someone who is the offspring of a white woman and a black man is not white nor are they black. They are mixed race. They are a non-entity.


They are not a member of the black race. They are not a member of the white race. They are officially a non-racially definable entity. They are mixed race. They are a nothing. Or if you prefer PC language, they are half bloods.

rhiannon
07-13-2011, 02:38 PM
Someone who is the offspring of a white woman and a black man is not white nor are they black. They are mixed race. They are a non-entity.


They are not a member of the black race. They are not a member of the white race. They are officially a non-racially definable entity. They are mixed race. They are a nothing. Or if you prefer PC language, they are half bloods.

This is true, but how a person tends to define themselves can usually be attributed to phenotypical traits.

Two biracial, black/white mixed individuals can have a child that is phenotypically indistinguishable from you or I....and thus have a child that would later identify as white.

Here's the thing....once those recessive traits are fully expressed, assuming this phenotypically white individual reproduces with another white person, their subsequent children are still going to be by and large, white.

All of this is hypothetical.....but these situations are more common than you might realize.

Smaland
07-13-2011, 02:43 PM
I'm fairly new here. Not sure what the collective vibe is on this forum yet....still working my way around.

Here is a good question to give me an idea:

What are everyone's opinions about interracial relationships?

Are they morally wrong? Morally acceptable? Please give an answer and the reason for that answer.

I know this is a European Preservation forum...but preservation might mean different things to different people.

Please be respectful. I am just curious as to what everyone thinks. Thank you!

Another way of stating my own position is this: if White people become so indoctrinated and so browbeaten that all of us flock to interracial marriages, then the beautiful woman in your avatar will cease to exist.

Austin
07-13-2011, 02:45 PM
This is true, but how a person tends to define themselves can usually be attributed to phenotypical traits.

Two biracial, black/white mixed individuals can have a child that is phenotypically indistinguishable from you or I....and thus have a child that would later identify as white.

Here's the thing....once those recessive traits are fully expressed, assuming this phenotypically white individual reproduces with another white person, their subsequent children are still going to be by and large, white.

All of this is hypothetical.....but these situations are more common than you might realize.


Or it could be that you want to blur the lines for some ideological reasons.

You're wrong. A mixed race persons offspring are not pure white or anywhere close gene or intelligence wise. Black features stick around and are easily identifiable several generations later even. In South Africa there are whole populations of mixed race people that are neither accepted by the white or black communities. Both pure races know and can visibly tell the difference.

Cheesypie
07-13-2011, 02:59 PM
Two biracial, black/white mixed individuals can have a child that is phenotypically indistinguishable from you or I....and thus have a child that would later identify as white.

I've never seen this. Mulattoes produce mulattoes, which is why the US has so many of them. They're rarely darker than the darkest parent or lighter than the lightest one.

Ibericus
07-13-2011, 03:04 PM
Two biracial, black/white mixed individuals can have a child that is phenotypically indistinguishable from you or I....and thus have a child that would later identify as white.
Show us a single mulatto that looks White.

Cheesypie
07-13-2011, 03:10 PM
Cheesypie....coming from a fellow American, mind you, our American culture is, well, kind of 'Cheesy' to be brutally honest, and bereft of a whole lot of 'true' substance.

It's movies, rockstars, hollywood, baseball, football, etc etc etc. There's no real culture in any true sense to any of it. It's pop culture, nothing more, and nothing less.

Our country is not old enough to know what true culture is. Not in the grand scheme of things...

The same could be said for anywhere that media advertising and mass communications are common. True we don't have the history that the mother continent has, however, as I've said on this thread, Europe's fingerprints are all over the place. The basic value systems, the architecture, the educational system, economics, literature, inventiveness... These are all European and parts of European culture. It can seem inconsequential and ho-hum when you live in it all the time, but if you even watch a video of tribal blacks, for example, in contrast to one of Europeans, you can see which one we bear so much resemblance to and which one is completely and wholly alien.

Every culture has its entertainment and diversions. Here, it's such a big business that it gets more attention than it is due. Perhaps soccer/football was/is that way in the UK and Europe. Our culture, and frankly Europe's, have both taken a nosedive into the toilet, especially since the 60s, but that doesn't mean that there is no culture or that no redeeming traits remain. There are plenty, and one need only take a look at places like Mogadishu to see that.

Fortis in Arduis
07-13-2011, 03:12 PM
Cheesypie....coming from a fellow American, mind you, our American culture is, well, kind of 'Cheesy' to be brutally honest, and bereft of a whole lot of 'true' substance.

It's movies, rockstars, hollywood, baseball, football, etc etc etc. There's no real culture in any true sense to any of it. It's pop culture, nothing more, and nothing less.

Our country is not old enough to know what true culture is. Not in the grand scheme of things...

I agree to an extent, but this is self-hating drivel.

Americans have a rich literary tradition, and have a wider range of socially acceptable thought and dialogue than the old world.

Might you need to be deprogrammed and rescued from the cult of white guilt and white self-hatred?

Your posts have a recurring cultural Marxist theme, like a 'whiteness studies' class. Perhaps you have been influenced too much by left-leaning academics and their logic-defying political motivations.

Cheesypie
07-13-2011, 03:21 PM
Inner-city white women are so immensely fucked up mentally CelticViking you cannot comprehend. Don't listen to any of them, their main concerns in life are to be able to work 45 hours a week so they can buy another new pair of $75 dollar heels every two weeks with another persons money. Let me assure you, they're single and miserable characters to be around. They're little consumerist monsters in every sense.

I went through a materialist-type period in my early 20s which I long ago shook. IMO, it seems a combination of consumerism with what females think men like.

Austin
07-13-2011, 03:22 PM
I agree to an extent, but this is self-hating drivel.

Americans have a rich literary tradition, and have a wider range of socially acceptable thought and dialogue than the old world.

Might you need to be deprogrammed and rescued from the cult of white guilt and white self-hatred?

Your posts have a recurring cultural Marxist theme, like a 'whiteness studies' class. Perhaps you have been influenced too much by left-leaning academics and their logic-defying political motivations.


She's anti-history apparently too. America has tons of culture. She just dislikes it because it is racist. America has a splendid culture from the founding fathers all the way through it's various inventions and it's successful historically-modern slave economy for much of its existence.

She also claims that whites are responsible for destroying more cultures throughout all of history than any other.... Someone never liked history very much. That can be dispelled with a mere Google search.

Cheesypie
07-13-2011, 03:23 PM
I agree to an extent, but this is self-hating drivel.

I agree with you in general, but I wouldn't be so hard on him. I don't think a lot of people realize the culture we actually do have because they're fixated on media trash and don't realize how drastic things are in truly alien cultures. Europe's fingerprints are all over every single country that whites settled and founded. Superior farming methods, infrastructure, etc. These are all a part of our people, and we invented outright much of it. This is part of our culture, and we have done some astounding things. The world owes us much.

Cheesypie
07-13-2011, 03:31 PM
She also claims that whites are responsible for destroying more cultures throughout all of history than any other.... Someone never liked history very much. That can be dispelled with a mere Google search.

I don't know this person so really can't comment a whole lot, but in general it doesn't surprise me that someone may be infected with this propaganda. People need to understand that this hostile interpretation of European history didn't come about until really the 1960s, when it sprung from radical leftists, be they Marxists or those who copied the Marxian view of social relations and applied them to other areas such as race.

Fighting, invasion, tribal and cultural destruction have been going on since the dawn of man. One big myth the left like to push is that places like Africa were heavens on earth until the white man got there. Usually that lie is mostly confined to Afrocentrist lunatics, but somehow, like other utter trash, it seeped enough into the mainstream that unknowing white people swallow this crap.

It reminds me sadly of something I heard on campus last fall. A white student was talking to an Asian one, and the Asian guy was going on and on about how great American history is, and the white kid just said, "I don't like it, our history isn't a very good one," and the Asian guy said, "Are you crazy?!"

This is what brainwashing has done to our people.

Do you see Mexicans trashing their history due to the endless tribal wars, the imperialist empires, the human sacrifice and wanton slaughter of captives? Do you see Muslims trashing themselves because of 1,400 years of endless colonial expansion, endless raids, endless kidnappings of non-Muslim women forced into harems, endless oppression of occupied lands? Blacks bitch and moan about how evil we are for slavery and turn around and hold their heads high in the belief that slave-holding Egypt was a black civilization. Same with Timbuktu - slavery galore. These people are assholes and not to be taken seriously.

White people need to wake up and stop being so damned gullible. When I awakened on this subject, not only did I drop my leftism, I became quite enraged about it. I felt like I'd been sold a turd I was told was a diamond, and that's basically what happened.

Boudica
07-13-2011, 03:31 PM
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Austin
07-13-2011, 03:32 PM
You find this a lot though. The noble left are the first to lecture on morals and culture yet are always the people that dropped the history class and took an art class or a feminist-theory class.

No wonder they don't know about the Mongols and do not consider America, one of perhaps the richest cultures there is in the new world, to be of cultural white significance.

I do agree though that many WASPS are lost, void, anti-white types who have no foundation so they turn around and attack those that still do. I truly pity this. We see it all too much in the states. The very people who lecture us on how to live are the exact ones who have forgotten who they are.

Cheesypie
07-13-2011, 03:41 PM
I know what you mean. I'm American...and because my family has been in this country for a VERY long time, my sense of kinship toward any European heritage doesn't exist. This is one of the purposes for my joining this forum.

I wish I could say I wasn'ta mongrel, or mutt as I like to call it.

But I am.:ohwell:

Perhaps because I am a first generation American on my mother's side and was raised by my immigrant mother and spent holidays listening to a table full of German immigrants speak with their accents, I have a closer sense of kinship that Americans who have been here much longer do not have. It's a real shame - Europeans are our close relations, they are our kindred. We need to renew these bonds. Glad you're here. Europe and Europeans are beautiful.

By the way, you're not a mongrel. You're white, European, or whatever you want to call it.

The Lawspeaker
07-13-2011, 03:44 PM
No she is a mongrel because she doesn't belong to a European ethnicity. "American" is not an ethnicity judging from the fact that few Americans use it to describe themselves. They are GermanFrenchSwedishDutchEnglishmen.

Cheesypie
07-13-2011, 03:47 PM
You find this a lot though. The noble left are the first to lecture on morals and culture yet are always the people that dropped the history class and took an art class or a feminist-theory class.

One of the biggest rhetorical weapons the left has is to claim the moral high road. Claiming to be moral and being moral are two different things, and this is one of many ways in which the left outright lie to con people.

In the past 100 years who have murdered more people: leftist or rightist governments? Not even close.

Cheesypie
07-13-2011, 03:50 PM
Institutional racism is a fact of life. It affects everyone, and can sometimes go in different directions.

Beware of internalizing rhetoric from the left. Is it wrong for a population that founded a country and form its vast majority to control the institutions for which they founded?

Does anyone complain that black-controlled Ghana is "institutionally racist" in favor of blacks? Does anyone call this situation a "good-old-boys club"? No. Why not?

Why are such condemnations only aimed at whites? Don't be a dupe.

Cheesypie
07-13-2011, 03:55 PM
You are correct. This explains why two biracial (black/white mix) individuals can end up with a child with light blonde hair, light eyes, and europid features. Simple Mendelian genetics.

They can get those features to a degree. Another aspect of Mendelian genetics is the concept of incomplete dominance, which is what it is when parents of 2 races have offspring mostly, but not totally, resembling one of the parents. There is no such thing as a black-white couple producing a white child. It simply doesn't happen. High yellow, yes. White? No. Mixing two colors of humans doesn't give the same result as mixing two colors of snapdragons.

As I've stated, mulatto parents do not produce either dark black or white children. They produce mulattoes.

Boudica
07-13-2011, 03:55 PM
No she is a mongrel because she doesn't belong to a European ethnicity. "American" is not an ethnicity judging from the fact that few Americans use it to describe themselves. They are GermanFrenchSwedishDutchEnglishmen.

Now, that is not very nice civis, :worried1: I'm American, but I'm not 300 pounds, and at least I'm half of something ethnicity wise. American is not an ethnicity and it is more then a few that sadly say that they are american when they are asked about their background. :puppy_dp:

Boudica
07-13-2011, 03:57 PM
They can get those features to a degree. Another aspect of Mendelian genetics is the concept of incomplete dominance, which is what it is when parents of 2 races have offspring mostly, but not totally, resembling one of the parents. There is no such thing as a black-white couple producing a white child. It simply doesn't happen. High yellow, yes. White? No.

As I've stated, mulatto parents do not produce either dark black or white children. They produce mulattoes.

Is there some sort of mixed race breeding program that I'm unaware of? As I said earlier, studies have shown that the majority of mixed people reproduce with a member of their dominant half's race, (non white). Let me know about this strict mixed breeding program though.

(by the way that was directed towards the person you were responding to)

Cheesypie
07-13-2011, 04:00 PM
Is there some sort of mixed race breeding program that I'm unaware of? As I said earlier, studies have shown that the majority of mixed people reproduce with a member of their dominant half's race, (non white). Let me know about this strict mixed breeding program though.

It's not a strict breeding program. It's basic genetics taught in college biology classes.

The Lawspeaker
07-13-2011, 04:00 PM
Now, that is not very nice civis, :worried1: I'm American, but I'm not 300 pounds, and at least I'm half of something ethnicity wise. American is not an ethnicity and it is more then a few that sadly say that they are american when they are asked about their background. :puppy_dp:
I know. It wasn't supposed to be nice but the truth isn't nice. Fact is: Americans are no Europeans. They are Europid nation (in general) but not European. There is a big difference between the two and I really think that Americans should think of themselves as a seperate people. They have been independent for what ? 250 years ?

Time to shed off their GermanFrenchSwedishDutchPolishEnglishIrish skin and move on. You are not in the motherland, not of the motherland.. you are your own motherland. And Americans should learn to deal with that fact instead of clinging on to something they are not.

Boudica
07-13-2011, 04:06 PM
I know. It wasn't supposed to be nice but the truth isn't nice. Fact is: Americans are no Europeans. They are Europid nation (in general) but not European. There is a big difference between the two and I really think that Americans should think of themselves as a seperate people. They have been independent for what ? 250 years ?

Time to shed off their GermanFrenchSwedishDutchPolishEnglishIrish skin and move on. You are not in the motherland, not of the motherland.. you are your own motherland. And Americans should learn to deal with that fact instead of clinging on to something they are not.

I consider myself European by blood. On both sides of my family my grandparents came here from Europe, not my greatgreatgreatgreatgreatgreatgreatgreatgreat grandparents. If a man from Ireland moves to Peurto Rico does he automatically become less Irish then the people back home? Maybe he potentially will culture wise, but not physically or blood wise.

edit: Plus you act as if there are not 'mutts' in Europe as well.

Cheesypie
07-13-2011, 04:06 PM
I know. It wasn't supposed to be nice but the truth isn't nice. Fact is: Americans are no Europeans. They are Europid nation (in general) but not European. There is a big difference between the two and I really think that Americans should think of themselves as a seperate people. They have been independent for what ? 250 years ?

Time to shed off their GermanFrenchSwedishDutchPolishEnglishIrish skin and move on. You are not in the motherland, not of the motherland.. you are your own motherland. And Americans should learn to deal with that fact instead of clinging on to something they are not.

For some odd reason, you seem to be on this anti-American crusade here demanding that we identify yourselves in terms you agree with. Is there some reason we should be taking cues from angry Dutch hypocrite?

Honestly. Must you keep repeating this same garbage page after page? Quit crapping up threads with this shit.

The Lawspeaker
07-13-2011, 04:08 PM
I consider myself European by blood. On both sides of my family my grandparents came here from Europe, not my greatgreatgreatgreatgreatgreatgreatgreatgreat grandparents. If a man from Ireland moves to Peurto Rico does he automatically become less Irish then the people back home? Maybe he potentially will culture wise, but not physically or blood wise.

You know what - let this man speak:

"We've been children long enough. We must unshackle our minds and begin to act like independent beings. Let's not waste our lives mimicking our parents from other nations. We now have our own empire to defend and a national character to develop."

-- Noah Webster, writer of first American dictionary, on what Americans needed to do, 1786


Your ancestors sailed out of Europe many generations ago. You're no longer here: get over it.

Psychonaut
07-13-2011, 04:11 PM
angry Dutch hypocrite?

:lightbul:

Can a kindly admin please make this Civis' signature?

Cheesypie
07-13-2011, 04:14 PM
You know what - let this man speak:

"We've been children long enough. We must unshackle our minds and begin to act like independent beings. Let's not waste our lives mimicking our parents from other nations. We now have our own empire to defend and a national character to develop."

-- Noah Webster, writer of first American dictionary, on what Americans needed to do, 1786


Your ancestors sailed out of Europe many generations ago. You're no longer here: get over it.

Wow, one guy said it so it must be true. :thumb001:

Boudica
07-13-2011, 04:14 PM
You know what - let this man speak:

"We've been children long enough. We must unshackle our minds and begin to act like independent beings. Let's not waste our lives mimicking our parents from other nations. We now have our own empire to defend and a national character to develop."

-- Noah Webster, writer of first American dictionary, on what Americans needed to do, 1786


Your ancestors sailed out of Europe many generations ago. You're no longer here: get over it.


Never once did I claim that I am still there. And if my grandparents came here that isn't really many generations ago.. Anyway my point is that I am European BLOOD WISE. Is there some sort of machine in America (besides people interbreeding with nonwhites) that extracts your European DNA?
http://oi51.tinypic.com/2nu25p2.jpg
Doesn't look like it, at least for me.
Yes we are our own nation, no we are not stripped of our European blood.

The Lawspeaker
07-13-2011, 04:16 PM
Because maybe.. if you people just keep on clinging to the idea that you're European.. then maybe the War of Independence was a costly mistake and this flag should once more fly over British North America:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/Union_flag.jpg

God save the Queen. The Colonial Office in London will deal with all your issues and grievances.

The Lawspeaker
07-13-2011, 04:18 PM
Never once did I claim that I am still there. And if my grandparents came here that isn't really many generations ago.. Anyway my point is that I am European BLOOD WISE. Is there some sort of machine in America (besides people interbreeding with nonwhites) that extracts your European DNA?
http://oi51.tinypic.com/2nu25p2.jpg
Doesn't look like it, at least for me.
Yes we are our own nation, no we are not stripped of our European blood.
European blood, yes, but that's about it. And what European blood ? Of what nation ? Are you fully Dutch ? Do you speak Dutch ? Are you Swedish ? Do you speak Swedish ? Are you English ? And do you speak British English and do you have tea instead of dinner ?

Cheesypie
07-13-2011, 04:19 PM
:lightbul:

Can a kindly admin please make this Civis' signature?

You could always put it in yours. ;)

Grumpy Cat
07-13-2011, 04:20 PM
For some odd reason, you seem to be on this anti-American crusade here demanding that we identify yourselves in terms you agree with. Is there some reason we should be taking cues from angry Dutch hypocrite?

Honestly. Must you keep repeating this same garbage page after page? Quit crapping up threads with this shit.

I actually agree with him, and I am a "colonial". I am Acadian, that is my identity and culture I am not French/Portuguese/Spanish/Faroese/Scottish like what my ancestors were. The Quebecois do the same pretty much.

And oh yeah, don't bring up the "French-Canadian" bullshit because that was actually a term given to us by English speakers as I've said before on this forum. I actually hate that term, I just use it on forums because that is the term the world is most familiar with.

Boudica
07-13-2011, 04:20 PM
Because maybe.. if you people just keep on clinging to the idea that you're European.. then maybe the War of Independence was a costly mistake and this fly should once more fly over British North America:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/Union_flag.jpg

I think that you are failing to understand my point. America is OUR country. There are AMERICANS in a geographic sense, but there are no ethnic Americans since America is a melting pot and the only 'true' Americans are Native Americans who were here way, way, way, way before EUROPEAN COLONISTS for a very long time. In history strong nations have taken over countries that are not of their own, in some cases not even white nations, are their inhabitants no longer of European descent? I'm trying to make my point in a genetic view.

Cheesypie
07-13-2011, 04:21 PM
European blood, yes, but that's about it. And what European blood ? Of what nation ? Are you fully Dutch ? Do you speak Dutch ? Are you Swedish ? Do you speak Swedish ? Are you English ? And do you speak British English and do you have tea instead of dinner ?

You seem to enjoy not only obsessively nitpicking, but fighting here. Is this something you do with everyone or just females?

The Lawspeaker
07-13-2011, 04:22 PM
You seem to enjoy not only obsessively nitpicking, but fighting here. Is this something you do with everyone or just females?
No I do it gladly with people that claim to be something they are not. What the hell is it with Americans that they so desperately want to cling on to something they are not. Is it the fact that they have no identity ?

In that case: check your spelling and pronunciation. From now on it's Received Pronunciation and British spelling for you. Because if there is no such thing as an American identity separate from Europe then why use American English ?

Boudica
07-13-2011, 04:23 PM
European blood, yes, but that's about it. And what European blood ? Of what nation ? Are you fully Dutch ? Do you speak Dutch ? Are you Swedish ? Do you speak Swedish ? Are you English ? And do you speak British English and do you have tea instead of dinner ?


Once again you talk as if there are no mutts in any European nation, please don't be so silly to say so. There are plenty of European mutts EVERYWHERE in Europe. And no, unfortunately I don't have tea instead of dinner. I prefer a big thick bloody steak.

Grumpy Cat
07-13-2011, 04:24 PM
Because maybe.. if you people just keep on clinging to the idea that you're European.. then maybe the War of Independence was a costly mistake and this flag should once more fly over British North America:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/Union_flag.jpg

God save the Queen. The Colonial Office in London will deal with all your issues and grievances.

:lol: Here in Moncton, the English-speakers whined because the Acadian flag was up at the casino and made them this put up. To be politically correct and accommodating, the Union Jack is everywhere next to the Acadian flag now.

The Lawspeaker
07-13-2011, 04:24 PM
I think that you are failing to understand my point. America is OUR country. There are AMERICANS in a geographic sense, but there are no ethnic Americans since America is a melting pot and the only 'true' Americans are Native Americans who were here way, way, way, way before EUROPEAN COLONISTS for a very long time. In history strong nations have taken over countries that are not of their own, in some cases not even white nations, are their inhabitants no longer of European descent? I'm trying to make my point in a genetic view.
There is more then genetics. Become a nation. You have basically a different language ( a completely different form of English), you have a couple of local traditions, you lot are all mixed up as a people (that's why no one is purely German or purely anything).

Boudica
07-13-2011, 04:26 PM
No I do it gladly with people that claim to be something they are not. What the hell is it with Americans that they so desperately want to cling on to something they are not. Is it the fact that they have no identity ?

In that case: check your spelling and pronunciation. From now on it's Received Pronunciation and British spelling for you. Because if there is no such thing as an American identity separate from Europe then why use American English ?


I see no spelling errors.

The Lawspeaker
07-13-2011, 04:28 PM
I see no spelling errors.
Me neither at the moment. Although I advise you to read up on British English (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_spelling_differences) and forget all the Americanisms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_differences) if you so desperately want to be European.

Psychonaut
07-13-2011, 04:29 PM
I actually agree with him, and I am a "colonial". I am Acadian, that is my identity and culture I am not French/Portuguese/Spanish/Faroese/Scottish like what my ancestors were. The Quebecois do the same pretty much.

And oh yeah, don't bring up the "French-Canadian" bullshit because that was actually a term given to us by English speakers as I've said before on this forum. I actually hate that term, I just use it on forums because that is the term the world is most familiar with.

I agree, and like Allenson and Electronic God-Man do think that we can meaningfully speak of Old Stock American ethnicities in the same way we speak of the English, Germans, etc. But, that doesn't excuse in the least Civis' faggotronic ramblings about "you are not European!!!!" and "we are not kin!!!!!" and "OMG why haven't you had 10 white babies!!!!!" That's just douchetastic faggotry of the first order.

Cheesypie
07-13-2011, 04:29 PM
No I do it gladly with people that claim to be something they are not. What the hell is it with Americans that they so desperately want to cling on to something they are not. Is it the fact that they have no identity ?

In that case: check your spelling and pronunciation. From now on it's Received Pronunciation and British spelling for you. Because if there is no such thing as an American identity separate from Europe then why use American English ?

You obsess over irrelevant and bizarre things. You seem to have quite a chip on your shoulder and an innate anti-American hostility that you can't shake. Have fun, buddy.

The answer to your silly point is the word dialects. German has far many more than English does, yet using any of them doesn't make a southern German lesser of a German, or Germans in Missouri or Pennsylvania speaking a late 18th century German dialect, for that matter. But then, as I said, you obsess on irrelevancies. Hopefully you won't get too angry over itinerant Americans who resist your definition of their identity. In the end, you'll only end up giving yourself headaches and possibly a nice ulcer. :thumbs up

The Lawspeaker
07-13-2011, 04:31 PM
You obsess over irrelevant and bizarre things. You seem to have quite a chip on your shoulder and an innate anti-American hostility that you can't shake. Have fun, buddy.

The answer to your silly point is the word dialects. German has far many more than English does, yet using any of them doesn't make a southern German lesser of a German, or Germans in Missouri or Pennsylvania speaking a late 18th century German dialect, for that matter. But then, as I said, you obsess on irrelevancies. Hopefully you won't get too angry over itinerant Americans who resist your definition of their identity. In the end, you'll only end up giving yourself headaches and possibly a nice ulcer. :thumbs up
No. I said that you people should grow up and stop being a pseudo-German (you don't fool anyone here) or a GermanFrenchEnglishDutchIrishSwede.

Boudica
07-13-2011, 04:31 PM
There is more then genetics. Become a nation. You have basically a different language ( a completely different form of English), you have a couple of local traditions, you lot are all mixed up as a people (that's why no one is purely German or purely anything).

O'h doll, we are a Nation, the strongest Nation in the world :) I think that you are completely missing the point.
A: Many people have different forms of the same language.
B: I said nothing about traditions, once again I AM SAYING WE ARE EUROPEAN GENETICALLY, I don't know if you can't read or if you are unable to comprehend that. It seems as if you strangely believe there to be some sort of magnetic European blood draining device as soon as one comes to America, interesting theory.
C:Once again, America isn't the only place with people of mixed European descent, THAT IS IN EUROPE AS WELL.
D:There are no "full blooded" people in America? I actually know quite a few.

This conversation is going absolutely no where besides to a dark retarded place where you mumble the same shit like a broken record. Bye ;)

Cheesypie
07-13-2011, 04:31 PM
Me neither at the moment. Although I advise you to read up on British English (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_spelling_differences) and forget all the Americanisms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_differences) if you so desperately want to be European.

But the British don't identify themselves as European and and can be offended when people call them that. D'oh.

Grumpy Cat
07-13-2011, 04:32 PM
I agree, and like Allenson and Electronic God-Man do think that we can meaningfully speak of Old Stock American ethnicities in the same way we speak of the English, Germans, etc. But, that doesn't excuse in the least Civis' faggotronic ramblings about "you are not European!!!!" and "we are not kin!!!!!" and "OMG why haven't you had 10 white babies!!!!!" That's just douchetastic faggotry of the first order.

I agree to an extent. I do actually think Europeans not accepting their diaspora as kin is due to cultural Marxist brainwashing. No other race does this.

Even when Ghadaffi was blaming Canadians of Libyan descent were responsible for the unrest there by "putting ideas into the heads of Libyans", he was de facto acknowledging them as kin, even though he was still expressing anger at them.

I do, by an large, accept the Acadian diaspora as kin, as long as they respect our culture.

But still, you have to accept you're a new nationality. Related but not the same.

We Acadians hate it when people call us "French".

Cheesypie
07-13-2011, 04:32 PM
No. I said that you people should grow up and stop being a pseudo-German (you don't fool anyone here) or a GermanFrenchEnglishDutchIrishSwede.

Yet again your drivel is allowed to derail the thread. We'll identify ourselves how we choose, and if you choose to bellyache and bitch your brains out about it, that's your problem.

The Lawspeaker
07-13-2011, 04:33 PM
Once again you talk as if there are no mutts in any European nation, please don't be so silly to say so. There are plenty of European mutts EVERYWHERE in Europe. And no, unfortunately I don't have tea instead of dinner. I prefer a big thick bloody steak.
Ooh yes there are. But they are not as numerous as in America. But if you want to be so European. It's back to fish 'n chips for you. :)

And be careful when you take to the street as this is the only "right" way if you want to be European (a British subject):

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0XmWqOlFpcs/SsMv8kiyyLI/AAAAAAAABeA/P-egrr8iuyU/s400/Driving+on+the+left.JPG

Psychonaut
07-13-2011, 04:34 PM
No. I said that you people should grow up and stop being a pseudo-German (you don't fool anyone here) or a GermanFrenchEnglishDutchIrishSwede.

Go tell a Pennsylvania Dutchie that he's not German. I'd be willing to bet that, after he punched you in the nose, would curse you out in Deitsch.

The Lawspeaker
07-13-2011, 04:37 PM
Go tell a Pennsylvania Dutchie that he's not German. I'd be willing to bet that, after he punched you in the nose, would curse you out in Deitsch.
I'd say so to him.. any day of the week that he is not a German. No problemo - because he damn well isn't and he should get over it. Just as you should get over being a European frog.

The Lawspeaker
07-13-2011, 04:39 PM
But the British don't identify themselves as European and and can be offended when people call them that. D'oh.
Ouch that would be difficult for you then because who should rule you then? Not you yourselves. Only nations can rule themselves and you are no nation.. you are all just newly arrived full-blooded Europeans, right ? Or should I say: Von nun werden Ihre Unternehmen sonst von den Gouverneur der Kolonie beobachtet. Since you're apparently so German.

So some colonial office has to be put it all in order for you.

Groenewolf
07-13-2011, 04:40 PM
I'd say so to him.. any day of the week that he is not a German. No problemo - because he damn well isn't and he should get over it. Just as you should get over being a European frog.


Do you use the same standard towards Afrikaners/Boers?

Boudica
07-13-2011, 04:40 PM
I'd say so to him.. any day of the week that he is not a German. No problemo - because he damn well isn't and he should get over it. Just as you should get over being a European frog.


This guy is fucking hilarious, I'm not going to continue to argue with him because just reading what he has to say makes me feel like I am retarded, but everyone should continue to argue with him, there is more good stuff to come.

Cheesypie
07-13-2011, 04:42 PM
Ouch that would be difficult for you then because who should rule you then? Not you yourselves. Only nations can rule themselves and you are no nation.. you are all just newly arrived full-blooded Europeans, right ?

So some colonial office has to be put it all in order for you.

Yet again you shoot yourself in the ideological foot. That must smart. Amazing you keep doing it anyway.

:rolleyes2:

Cheesypie
07-13-2011, 04:42 PM
This guy is fucking hilarious, I'm not going to continue to argue with him because just reading what he has to say makes me feel like I am retarded, but everyone should continue to argue with him, there is more good stuff to come.

He clearly enjoys talking down to people.

Psychonaut
07-13-2011, 04:42 PM
Just as you should get over being a European frog.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Ys9cZa7RiRk/TMBwIJeLRBI/AAAAAAAAAF4/PVTjJh_KSgo/s1600/Douche.jpg

Boudica
07-13-2011, 04:43 PM
Ouch that would be difficult for you then because who should rule you then? Not you yourselves. Only nations can rule themselves and you are no nation.. you are all just newly arrived full-blooded Europeans, right ?

So some colonial office has to be put it all in order for you.

OMG. No one ever said that ahhhh! LOL NO ONE IS CLAIMING THAT WE ARE NOT A NATION OR THAT WE ARE NOT AMERICAN IN THE SENSE OF NATIONALITY, WE LIVE HERE, YES, BUT WE ARE OF EUROPEAN DESCENT (EUROPE IS WHERE THE WHITE RACE GREW FROM EVOLUTION) THERE IS NO ETHNICITY CALLED "AMERICAN" BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THERE TO BE, GO FOR IT, GOOD LUCK. Ah seriously this time, I'm only going to observe from here out :D

The Lawspeaker
07-13-2011, 04:45 PM
OMG. No one ever said that ahhhh! LOL NO ONE IS CLAIMING THAT WE ARE NOT A NATION OR THAT WE ARE NOT AMERICAN IN THE SENSE OF NATIONALITY, WE LIVE HERE, YES, BUT WE ARE OF EUROPEAN DESCENT (WHICH IS WHERE THE WHITE RACE GREW FROM EVOLUTION) THERE IS NO ETHNICITY CALLED "AMERICAN" BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THERE TO BE, GO FOR IT, GOOD LUCK. Ah seriously this time, I'm only going to observe from here out :D
No you still claim not to be an ethnicity and thus not to be a nation. So.. you shouldn't rule yourselves then and others will do it for you.

Boudica
07-13-2011, 04:45 PM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Ys9cZa7RiRk/TMBwIJeLRBI/AAAAAAAAAF4/PVTjJh_KSgo/s1600/Douche.jpg

lolollloolll

Grumpy Cat
07-13-2011, 04:45 PM
Do you use the same standard towards Afrikaners/Boers?

I've noticed people who like to slag North Americans generally don't.

Nothing against Civis nor am I referring to him, I like the guy.

I've just noticed that there's not as much vitriol towards them.

And well, I can perfectly understand anti-Americanism because of US government policies plus the hegemony of US culture, but why is Canada lumped in? I've noticed a lot of anti-Canadianism on this forum as well (though not from Civis) which I do not understand because Canada doesn't put its nose in the business of other sovereign nations like the US does or tries to push its values on others. We've become Americanised, yes, but Canada is more of a victim not a perpetrator, and what I would think is what Europeans are trying to avoid.

Acadians and Quebecois, and even many Anglo-Canadians, have been fighting tooth and nail against mainly Americanisation. We don't dislike Americans but their way is not for us.

The Lawspeaker
07-13-2011, 04:46 PM
Do you use the same standard towards Afrikaners/Boers?
They consider themselves to be a people and ethnicity in their own right and they have their own ethnic nationalism. So no. And if they wouldn't then maybe we should indeed step in. At best then they would be divided into gemeentes and become a province under the Kingdom.

Boudica
07-13-2011, 04:47 PM
No you still claim not to be an ethnicity and thus not to be a nation. So.. you shouldn't rule yourselves then and others will do it for you.

Are you saying that people in the past from other places who took over other countries and then claimed it as their own were not able to rule the country? Dude, you should seriously stop here is the scoreboard:
You:0 (and making yourself look like a fucking retard) Everyone else:34534543545

Scathach
07-13-2011, 04:48 PM
No you still claim not to be an ethnicity and thus not to be a nation. So.. you shouldn't rule yourselves then and others will do it for you.

You're right. We should invade Europe and have you submit to our will, bitch.

We will reject egalitarianism and embrace the law of the jungle.

Boudica
07-13-2011, 04:50 PM
You're right. We should invade Europe and have you submit to our will, bitch.

We will reject egalitarianism and embrace the law of the jungle.

lollooooooooool

The Lawspeaker
07-13-2011, 04:50 PM
You're right. We should invade Europe and have you submit to our will, bitch.

We will reject egalitarianism and embrace the law of the jungle.
That's what you have already done.

The Lawspeaker
07-13-2011, 04:52 PM
Are you saying that people in the past from other places who took over other countries and then claimed it as their own were not able to rule the country? Dude, you should seriously stop here is the scoreboard:
You:0 (and making yourself look like a fucking retard) Everyone else:34534543545
I am saying that a people that does not consider itself a people and an ethnicity have no right to self-determination. None whatsoever as you don't need it. As Americans would still feel they are European they should be ruled from Europe.

If Americans would consider themselves to be a nation, then of course they should let go of "being so European" and rule themselves with their own language, their own traditions. Like the Boer of South Africa who consider themselves a separate nation and good on them.

Psychonaut
07-13-2011, 04:59 PM
If Americans would consider themselves to be a nation, then of course they should let go of "being so European" and rule themselves with their own language, their own traditions.

Since when did cultural and linguistic similarities necessitate a singular government? I suppose all those stupid Deutsch speaking Swiss and Austrians had better bow down to Merkel since they don't have their own language, eh?

The Lawspeaker
07-13-2011, 05:00 PM
Since when did cultural and linguistic similarities necessitate a singular government? I suppose all those stupid Deutsch speaking Swiss and Austrians had better bow down to Merkel since they don't have their own language, eh?
Wrong. Both the Swiss and the Austrians have their own forms of German and they consider themselves to be a nation of their own and a people of their own while you Americans still cling on to Europe. So.. bow down to Paris for you.

Are you still in the National Guard ? That's treason to France.

Scathach
07-13-2011, 05:03 PM
Wrong. Both the Swiss and the Austrians have their own forms of German and they consider themselves to be a nation of their own and a people of their own while you Americans still cling on to Europe. So.. bow down to Paris for you.

Are you still in the National Guard ? That's treason to France.



Nope. Americans do not cling to Europe. Where in the hell do you get that? Our blood is European but most of us consider ourselves fully American. How do we know we are American and not European? We don't crap ourselves when we pick up a high powered rifle.

Psychonaut
07-13-2011, 05:04 PM
Wrong. Both the Swiss and the Austrians have their own forms of German and they consider themselves to be a nation of their own and a people of their own while you Americans still cling on to Europe.

So a slight difference in pronunciation and diction (say, like the differences between British and American) English is enough to distinguish the Austians from the Germans, but not the Americans from the English? I think I smell...

























































...bullshit. And I'm getting a whiff of...

















































...faggotry. And just a hint of...




















































...Internet Warrior Syndrome.

Boudica
07-13-2011, 05:04 PM
Since when did cultural and linguistic similarities necessitate a singular government? I suppose all those stupid Deutsch speaking Swiss and Austrians had better bow down to Merkel since they don't have their own language, eh?

Lololol this guy is so funny and you are provoking him and making it even funnier.

Fortis in Arduis
07-13-2011, 05:25 PM
Hmm...

There is a problem of America not being an ethnostate, and of the US administration not tolerating the existence of ethnostates, and of American identity being skewed towards statehood, rather than ethnicity... which makes Americans particularly vulnerable to tyrannical government.

It's all quite ridiculous.

Hess
07-13-2011, 06:02 PM
He clearly enjoys talking down to people.

He's trying articulate a point that you guys don't seem to be getting.

Americans are just on a whole different cultural level than Europeans. The way you talk, the way you reason, your body language, etc. Everything about you is foreign to Europe. Dont believe me? Try going to Europe and see how many people you can fool into thinking you're a native. Before open your mouth, before you even make a movement, I can already tell if you're an American just by the look in your eye.

I can't explain it to you because you're not a European, but in my experience I have found there to be a very subtle bond between all Europeans (I'm sure Civis know what I'm talking about). I never felt this bond with an American before.

Hess
07-13-2011, 06:07 PM
Nope. Americans do not cling to Europe. Where in the hell do you get that? Our blood is European but most of us consider ourselves fully American. How do we know we are American and not European? We don't crap ourselves when we pick up a high powered rifle.

....

You do realize that every Swiss citizen is taught how to use an Assault rifle, right?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland

Wyn
07-13-2011, 06:14 PM
Nope. Americans do not cling to Europe. Where in the hell do you get that? Our blood is European but most of us consider ourselves fully American.

Odd coincidence that you're posting this. Just yesterday I was having a discussion along these lines with one of your fellow New Worlders. I was discussing the "European when we like you, not when we don't" attitude of North Americans in particular.

Lots of talk of "European blood" is a kind of common denominator, as it allows you to claim - what you recognise as - admirable European historical heritage, whilst emphasising your sense of being 'cut off' from Europe, so to speak, thereby dissociating yourself from recent European history filled with increased liberalisation and other undesirable things.

I most often see it among Odinists (or Asatruars, or heathens, or...whatever) and the like, who talk up their 'Norse' and 'Viking' and 'Northern European' heritage in one breath, whilst going out of their way to insult actual-Europeans in another. I'm not the first/only person to notice this sort of behaviour, either. But credit where credit is due, the biggest perpetrators of it haven't been at this forum - it mainly takes place somewhere else.

But I digress.


So a slight difference in pronunciation and diction (say, like the differences between British and American) English is enough to distinguish the Austians from the Germans, but not the Americans from the English? I think I smell...

Come on, it's more than "slight."

I mean, you call a backside a "fanny"!

Joe McCarthy
07-13-2011, 06:16 PM
Most white Americans do not see themselves as Europeans in any essential way. It's mostly relegated to 'pan-white' romanticists who more often than not hate their own country.

Sikeliot
07-13-2011, 06:19 PM
Come on, it's more than "slight."

I mean, you call a backside a "fanny"!


Only old people do ;):thumb001:

Troll's Puzzle
07-13-2011, 06:21 PM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Ys9cZa7RiRk/TMBwIJeLRBI/AAAAAAAAAF4/PVTjJh_KSgo/s1600/Douche.jpg

Imagine being the girl who ended up being the face on the box :D

"yeah, I'm a model.

a douche model.

:("

Grumpy Cat
07-13-2011, 06:24 PM
I most often see it among Odinists (or Asatruars, or heathens, or...whatever) and the like, who talk up their 'Norse' and 'Viking' and 'Northern European' heritage in one breath, whilst going out of their way to insult actual-Europeans in another. I'm not the first/only person to notice this sort of behaviour, either. But credit where credit is due, the biggest perpetrators of it haven't been at this forum - it mainly takes place somewhere else.


I've noticed this as well an I am a New Worlder. Funny I agree with the Europeans on here most of the time. I identify as Acadian not any European ethnicity.

Americans in Asatru forums I've noticed do insult actual Scandinavians, because of said countries' gun control laws, I have even heard them say they don't deserve a place in Valhalla (this statement insulted me as a Canadian first, but then I thought about how much WORSE it is to say that to a Scandinavian).

I have never insulted Europeans on here, unless they're of the stripe that deserve to be insulted (I'm talking about the closed-minded superiority complex ones, which don't exist on this forum but I have seen, and owned, elsewhere - but they exist in the US and Canada too and I am just as quick to insult them).

But I'm sorry there is more anti-Americanism on this forum than the other way around. And yes, I am somewhat guilty of it myself. What shocks me is the anti-Canadianism on this forum that goes along with it. It comes from both Americans and Europeans. Thing is, I understand anti-Americianism because of government policies that negatively affected Europe (and Canada too, BTW), but anti-Canadianism from Europeans I don't understand because by an large, we're on your side in US vs Europe debates.

And there's no vitriol towards other colonials (white South Africans, Australians, New Zealanders). What gives?

And then I see this other thing: You don't want us to see ourselves as Europeans but then you also don't like when we see ourselves as different. So, which is it? Just seems to me you'll have a problem no matter what.

GeistFaust
07-13-2011, 06:28 PM
Most white Americans do not see themselves as Europeans in any essential way. It's mostly relegated to 'pan-white' romanticists who more often than not hate their own country.

I agree although I think there are alot of reasons to hate America not so much for what it is supposed to represent to the world but because for what it has become. There are alot of things Americans should not take for granted and should cherish and the more we allow the minorities to take the upper hand in this country we should always be cognizant that this is just going to lead to the destruction of our country.

Race-Mixing helps to accomplish the minorities agenda which is seize the power from "evil" white people and than try to get affirmative action like groups to step in on their behalf so they can get benefits they don't deserve. The double standards set by the government and racially oriented institutions is becoming disgusting white people have to pay for the negligence and indolence of the Negro even though the white man is 2 times as qualified as the negro and works 4 times harder than him.

I mean the founders of the America were mostly British, Scottish, and Ulster Scots it only seems that people would try to preserving the Anglo Saxon culture and mindset instead they are trying to undermine and destroy it. I think we should recognize this is at the core of our issues. Wherever a minority wins a case and they claim victory over the superiority of the Anglo Saxon mentality a Jew sits in the shadows waiting to kill.

Joe McCarthy
07-13-2011, 06:33 PM
He's trying articulate a point that you guys don't seem to be getting.

Americans are just on a whole different cultural level than Europeans. The way you talk, the way you reason, your body language, etc. Everything about you is foreign to Europe. Dont believe me? Try going to Europe and see how many people you can fool into thinking you're a native. Before open your mouth, before you even make a movement, I can already tell if you're an American just by the look in your eye.

I can't explain it to you because you're not a European, but in my experience I have found there to be a very subtle bond between all Europeans (I'm sure Civis know what I'm talking about). I never felt this bond with an American before.

And here, ladies and gentlemen, is the European answer to American 'pan-white' nonsense. There is no 'subtle bond' existing between an Irishman in Dublin and a Russian in the Urals. And an American of Irish extraction from Southie will fit in far better there than our Comrade from the Urals.

That being said, Americans are not Europeans, nor should should they feel a need to prove they are such. We are Americans... that is good enough, though of course there is a real transatlantic tie that the anti-American crowd ludicrously downplays.

Joe McCarthy
07-13-2011, 06:36 PM
I agree although I think there are alot of reasons to hate America not so much for what it is supposed to represent to the world but because for what it has become. There are alot of things Americans should not take for granted and should cherish and the more we allow the minorities to take the upper hand in this country we should always be cognizant that this is just going to lead to the destruction of our country.


If there is a reason to hate America for liberalism, decadence, corruption, irreligion, and immorality - all the more should we hate Europe, and what is typical of self-hating Americans is that they know little about today's debauched Europe and have a romanticized view of it. The grass is always greener on the other side, in other words.

GeistFaust
07-13-2011, 06:39 PM
If there is a reason to hate America for liberalism, decadence, corruption, irreligion, and immorality - all the more should we hate Europe, and what is typical of self-hating Americans is that they know little about today's debauched Europe and have a romanticized view of it. The grass is always greener on the other side, in other words.

Yes but the corruption of Europe is produced by the same phenomena called the Jews there is no doubting this and American corruption has sort of set a bad example for Europe in many aspects of its society, culture, and politics.

Fortis in Arduis
07-13-2011, 06:40 PM
Most white Americans do not see themselves as Europeans in any essential way. It's mostly relegated to 'pan-white' romanticists who more often than not hate their own country.

These are new to me.

Are they like PANF's people?

Joe McCarthy
07-13-2011, 06:44 PM
Yes but the corruption of Europe is produced by the same phenomena called the Jews there is no doubting this and American corruption has sort of set a bad example for Europe in many aspects of its society, culture, and politics.

It's interesting how even with 'the Jews' America remains much more socially conservative than most of Europe. That tells me one of two things, maybe a bit of both: either American Gentiles are hardier than Europeans, or Jews are not quite the problem some think they are.

Electronic God-Man
07-13-2011, 06:44 PM
I think Civis has been hitting the crack pipe. Recently he's gone overboard.

Anyway, I wish I had actually popped into this thread earlier. I would have had fun.

Wyn
07-13-2011, 06:46 PM
And there's no vitriol towards other colonials (white South Africans, Australians, New Zealanders). What gives?

I spoke of New Worlders, and made a distinction (specifying North Americans in particular) when I thought it necessary.


And then I see this other thing: You don't want us to see ourselves as Europeans but then you also don't like when we see ourselves as different. So, which is it? Just seems to me you'll have a problem no matter what.

Who is the "you" in this context? Me personally, or Europeans in general? Because I certainly don't have a problem with you seeing yourselves as different. Would many? :confused: As I say, for me, and for others, a major peeve is the double-standard that you admit to having seen yourself.

Not intending to be offensive, just trying to clarify.

Joe McCarthy
07-13-2011, 06:48 PM
I think Civis has been hitting the crack pipe. Recently he's gone overboard.

Anyway, I wish I had actually popped into this thread earlier. I would have had fun.

Civis consistently seeks to create tension between Europeans and Americans out of his own inferiority complex. It's an old story.

Loki
07-13-2011, 06:50 PM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0d1DmPlgHCw/TfkPymBIwcI/AAAAAAAAIjc/T7CwRz2N_bA/s400/homer-eating-popcorn-small-c78.jpg

Electronic God-Man
07-13-2011, 06:52 PM
Civis consistently seeks to create tension between Europeans and Americans out of his own inferiority complex. It's an old story.

I've actually known him as an online personality for years now. I promise you he wasn't always this whacko. Thus my crackpipe theory.

Joe McCarthy
07-13-2011, 06:54 PM
I've actually known him as an online personality for years now. I promise you he wasn't always this whacko. Thus my crackpipe theory.

I'll take your word for it. Maybe an American girl dumped him or something.

Grumpy Cat
07-13-2011, 06:59 PM
I spoke of New Worlders, and made a distinction (specifying North Americans in particular) when I thought it necessary.



Who is the "you" in this context? Me personally, or Europeans in general? Because I certainly don't have a problem with you seeing yourselves as different. Would many? :confused: As I say, for me, and for others, a major peeve is the double-standard that you admit to having seen yourself.

Not intending to be offensive, just trying to clarify.

You is just in general, not you specifically. But basically, I see a damned if you do damned if you don't scenario.

Also, I know I get a little mad because people lump Canadians and Americans together. This is VERY offensive to Canadians and even if you do see similarities, I suggest you don't voice them. I've had to explain this to many Europeans before. Even calling Canada "America" (even though it's part of North America) is seen as offensive.

It is even listed on the tourist etiquette site concierge.com (http://www.concierge.com) to not mention similarities between Canadians and Americans because it is seen as offensive (and this site is actually American-based and geared towards Americans, not Europeans or anybody else). They actually listed criticising the health care system as a worse offense, but I'd say comparing the US in Canada is more offensive considering most Canadians complain about health care themselves.

As for the good Americans on this forum (and there are many), there is a reason for the anti-Americanism and it's not you guys. I have apologised in the past for my outbursts.

Anyways, here it is from Concierge Etiquette 101


CANADA
Absolutely verboten: Impugning Canada's national health-care system. Canadians are fiercely proud of it. In a television contest, viewers voted the founder of the system the greatest Canadian hero.
Radioactive: Remarking how similar Canada is to the United States can be tantamount to calling it the fifty-first state.
Definitely not: Any reliance on a few stereotypes (e.g., making fun of how they say, "Eh?") may unearth the sarcasm beneath their (stereotypical) politeness.
Not a good idea: Be careful in discussing Toronto and how wonderful it is; many regional Canadians, especially out west, don't like it.
Ill-advised: Don't mistake politeness for the casual oversharing so common in the United States. Canadians, like Europeans, will bristle if you get too personal too fast.
Talk away! Hockey—they really do love it as much as we think they do. The runner-up in the Canadian-hero contest was a hockey coach turned sportscaster.

http://www.concierge.com/cntraveler/articles/501931?pageNumber=2

Joe McCarthy
07-13-2011, 07:09 PM
These are new to me.

Are they like PANF's people?

I personally encountered them years ago in chat rooms on various servers.

Hess
07-13-2011, 08:19 PM
And here, ladies and gentlemen, is the European answer to American 'pan-white' nonsense. There is no 'subtle bond' existing between an Irishman in Dublin and a Russian in the Urals. And an American of Irish extraction from Southie will fit in far better there than our Comrade from the Urals.

That being said, Americans are not Europeans, nor should should they feel a need to prove they are such. We are Americans... that is good enough, though of course there is a real transatlantic tie that the anti-American crowd ludicrously downplays.

I do believe that the Irishman from Dublin and the Russian from the Urals would understand each other quicker (providing they know a common language) than a completely americanized Irishman from and an Irishman from Ireland.

However, such extreme examples are the exception and not the norm. In practice, the European bond is a feeling of mutual understanding among two European countries with a long timeline of shared history.

Joe McCarthy
07-13-2011, 08:38 PM
I do believe that the Irishman from Dublin and the Russian from the Urals would understand each other quicker (providing they know a common language) than a completely americanized Irishman from and an Irishman from Ireland.

However, such extreme examples are the exception and not the norm. In practice, the European bond is a feeling of mutual understanding among two European countries with a long timeline of shared history.

Many Irish-Americans have relatives in Ireland and travel there. A Russian has no such connection, and while that is one of the more marked examples, I think it can be demonstrated that Americans, or other 'colonials' have more in common with some Europeans than some Europeans have with each other. Who has more in common with France, Quebec or Bulgaria? Who has more in common with Britain, Poland or New Zealand? Who has more in common with Ulster, Romania or Appalachia? I could go on...

Grumpy Cat
07-13-2011, 08:41 PM
Who has more in common with France, Quebec

And something else verboten. Just as all Canadians don't like being compared to Americans, Quebecers don't like being compared to the French. They really get peeved when American stereotypes about France are applied to Quebec (hence why they chimped out on Conan O'Brien that time).

See what I said yesterday about the perception and treatment of Canadians on this forum? It comes from both Americans are Euros.

Hess
07-13-2011, 08:48 PM
Many Irish-Americans have relatives in Ireland and travel there. A Russian has no such connection, and while that is one of the more marked examples, I think it can be demonstrated that Americans, or other 'colonials' have more in common with some Europeans than some Europeans have with each other. Who has more in common with France, Quebec or Bulgaria? Who has more in common with Britain, Poland or New Zealand? Who has more in common with Ulster, Romania or Appalachia? I could go on...

Hmm, it seems we're just going to have to agree to disagree. I am currently living in Boston (which is packed with Irishmen), and In my experience most of them couldn't care less about Ireland. Aside from getting hammered on St. Paddy's day, they are cultururally as close to Ireland as any Romanian or Bulgarian.

Joe McCarthy
07-13-2011, 08:52 PM
I don't think it's controversial or offensive to note that Quebec is closer to France culturally than Bulgaria is. If people in Quebec would find that observation offensive, they're pretty sensitive.

Grumpy Cat
07-13-2011, 08:55 PM
I don't think it's controversial or offensive to note that Quebec is closer to France culturally than Bulgaria is. If people in Quebec would find that observation offensive, they're pretty sensitive.

They just don't like being compared to the French.

Heh. In Quebec the word "francais" (as in referring to the nationality from France) is often preceded by "maudit". Maudit Francais = Fucking French :lol:

Joe McCarthy
07-13-2011, 08:57 PM
Hmm, it seems we're just going to have to agree to disagree. I am currently living in Boston (which is packed with Irishmen), and In my experience most of them couldn't care less about Ireland. Aside from getting hammered on St. Paddy's day, they are cultururally as close to Ireland as any Romanian or Bulgarian.

Erm, try going into a bar in Southie and tell them they have no more in common with Ireland than Bulgaria. If you like, post the pics of the black eye and bloody nose in the members pictures thread.

Hess
07-13-2011, 09:02 PM
Erm, try going into a bar in Southie and tell them they have no more in common with Ireland than Bulgaria. If you like, post the pics of the black eye and bloody nose in the members pictures thread.

*shrugs*

I'm not sure what this "southie" that you keep on bringing up is. if you are talking about first or even second generation immigrants, I completely agree with you by the way.

Beyond that, however, the average Irish-American just really wouldn't know much about Ireland.

Osweo
07-13-2011, 09:11 PM
But the British don't identify themselves as European and and can be offended when people call them that. D'oh.
Hello, I'm a European! :)

Many Irish-Americans have relatives in Ireland and travel there. A Russian has no such connection, and while that is one of the more marked examples,

I have Irish American relatives in New Jersey. We share a great great grandad. Oddly enough, however, I now have some affinal Belorussian relatives in New Jersey too.

Before the Great War, there were more links with Eastern Europe, on this sort of personal level. Our esteemed Welsh moderator, Treffie, actually has cousins from this time out there in Rus'. Now, the links are reforging. The divide was temporary and artificial.

Joe McCarthy
07-13-2011, 09:13 PM
*shrugs*

I'm not sure what this "southie" that you keep on bringing up is. if you are talking about first or even second generation immigrants, I completely agree with you by the way.

Beyond that, however, the average Irish-American just really wouldn't know much about Ireland.

Southie is a nickname for South Boston, which is a mostly Irish neighborhood. It used to be one of the main centers for IRA fundraising in the US.

Boudica
07-13-2011, 09:46 PM
Lol, come on guys.

Austin
07-13-2011, 10:22 PM
Is there some sort of mixed race breeding program that I'm unaware of? As I said earlier, studies have shown that the majority of mixed people reproduce with a member of their dominant half's race, (non white). Let me know about this strict mixed breeding program though.

(by the way that was directed towards the person you were responding to)


There's no point in going into detailing just how thoroughly mixed Europeans in Europe are along ethnic lines, but let's just say that if we did note in detail and by history that Europeans are in many cases just as mixed as many Americans with different European ethnicities, that the "Americans are too mixed" crowd wouldn't like it all too much.

It is a very bad argument either way and they know it that's why they never go into very much detail on it other than to throw it casually out there then to instantly disappear upon being shown European internal historical immigration trends and levels of intermixing.

GeistFaust
07-13-2011, 10:26 PM
There's no point in going into detailing just how thoroughly mixed Europeans in Europe are along ethnic lines, but let's just say that if we did note in detail and by history that Europeans are in many cases just as mixed as many Americans with different European ethnicities, that the "Americans are too mixed" crowd wouldn't like it all too much.

It is a very bad argument either way and they know it that's why they never go into very much detail on it other than to throw it casually out there then to instantly disappear upon being shown European internal historical immigration trends and levels of intermixing.

This is a good point but ethnic mixing is more of an exception or somewhere between the minority and majority of cases in Europe. Usually when they marry someone outside of their ethnic group they marry with someone that is relatively close regionally. In more local and tradtional regions this is not the case so it is important to preserve the tribalism of each European ethnic group in order to preserve the culture and ethnic roots of a people.

Fortis in Arduis
07-13-2011, 10:31 PM
Austin, Europe is not how you imagine it.

Everywhere you go the culture will change a lot, especially from country to country.

Off the beaten track lie pockets of quite extraordinary difference and variety.

The culture tends to gradually change from one place to another, some places are extremely friendly. You would be amazed. :)

Austin
07-13-2011, 10:38 PM
This is a good point but ethnic mixing is more of an exception or somewhere between the minority and majority of cases in Europe. Usually when they marry someone outside of their ethnic group they marry with someone that is relatively close regionally. In more local and tradtional regions this is not the case so it is important to preserve the tribalism of each European ethnic group in order to preserve the culture and ethnic roots of a people.


Yes I understand and realize this I'm just saying, the notion that the large, non-localized populations of Europe historically speaking didn't intermix with all the ethnicities at millions upon millions of points is simply illogical. British people are Germanic barbarian remnants in many respects with a dash of other ethnicities. Russia spread it's seed far and wide through being a neighborly rapist in recent times. Poland was essentially Russiacided.

Allenson
07-13-2011, 10:42 PM
He's trying articulate a point that you guys don't seem to be getting.

Americans are just on a whole different cultural level than Europeans. The way you talk, the way you reason, your body language, etc. Everything about you is foreign to Europe. Dont believe me? Try going to Europe and see how many people you can fool into thinking you're a native. Before open your mouth, before you even make a movement, I can already tell if you're an American just by the look in your eye.

I can't explain it to you because you're not a European, but in my experience I have found there to be a very subtle bond between all Europeans (I'm sure Civis know what I'm talking about). I never felt this bond with an American before.

Ms. Driftwood will like this one--most people think that I'm Canadian when I'm in Europe. Not sure why, but it seems to be a trend when folks ask where I'm from.

Gotta read the rest of this thred now......

Joe McCarthy
07-13-2011, 11:10 PM
Ms. Driftwood will like this one--most people think that I'm Canadian when I'm in Europe. Not sure why, but it seems to be a trend when folks ask where I'm from.

Gotta read the rest of this thred now......

In many ways we out west think of New Englanders as Canadians too.

Boudica
07-14-2011, 03:29 AM
There's no point in going into detailing just how thoroughly mixed Europeans in Europe are along ethnic lines, but let's just say that if we did note in detail and by history that Europeans are in many cases just as mixed as many Americans with different European ethnicities, that the "Americans are too mixed" crowd wouldn't like it all too much.

It is a very bad argument either way and they know it that's why they never go into very much detail on it other than to throw it casually out there then to instantly disappear upon being shown European internal historical immigration trends and levels of intermixing.

Someone said that if a mixed (white and non white) person were to mate with another mixed person and so on then the white genes/features would come back. I was saying that this is ridiculous because there is no mixed breeding program and mixed people usually tend to reproduce with the dominant race (the non white) I'm not talking about "mixed" Europeans. People really need to begin to understand that practically every European is a mixed European to an extent, there's not really such a thing as "pure".

Austin
07-14-2011, 03:44 AM
Someone said that if a mixed (white and non white) person were to mate with another mixed person and so on then the white genes/features would come back. I was saying that this is ridiculous because there is no mixed breeding program and mixed people usually tend to reproduce with the dominant race (the non white) I'm not talking about "mixed" Europeans. People really need to begin to understand that practically every European is a mixed European to an extent, there's not really such a thing as "pure".


It was a questionable, history-void, neo-feminist who I seriously doubt is a European based on her attempted suppressed fury, who claimed this dribble but anyways. to your point.



You're correct of course, mixed race people never end up procreating with non mixed race people because on average they aren't accepted and have to revert to non-whites or other mixed race people. Neo-leftist, anti-white types don't like to deal in reality, but instead prefer to deal in ideological-ideals, which is to say they prefer that golden equality world with sparkling cupcakes that doesn't actually exist, but of which we are evil and racist for pointing such out.

rhiannon
07-14-2011, 03:47 AM
I've never seen this. Mulattoes produce mulattoes, which is why the US has so many of them. They're rarely darker than the darkest parent or lighter than the lightest one.

Well,l I HAVE seen it.

GeistFaust
07-14-2011, 03:51 AM
The color of mulattoes vary from individual from individual and the existence of mulattoes as a racial type of sorts will only allow for more racially disastrous behavior within in the confines of society.

rhiannon
07-14-2011, 03:58 AM
Show us a single mulatto that looks White.

You misread what I said. Anyway, here is a photo a a mother (50/50 black white mix), and her daughter and granddaughter.

Both daughter and granddaughter look pretty white to me. I see no evidence that anyone could even guess they were anything other than fully Europid.

I'll post more if this is not to your satisfaction.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=12431&stc=1&d=1310615916

rhiannon
07-14-2011, 04:02 AM
It was a questionable, history-void, neo-feminist who I seriously doubt is a European based on her attempted suppressed fury, who claimed this dribble but anyways. to your point.

So, you go from saying my opinion matters because of my life experiences yesterday....to name-calling today. You really are a piece of work, Austin. I'm finished with attempting any sort of discourse with you, as you clearly have shown your inability to retain some semblance of dignity in the art of debate.

GeistFaust
07-14-2011, 04:03 AM
You misread what I said. Anyway, here is a photo a a mother (50/50 black white mix), and her daughter and granddaughter.

Both daughter and granddaughter look pretty white to me. I see no evidence that anyone could even guess they were anything other than fully Europid.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=12431&stc=1&d=1310615916

This is because the grandmother looks to be somewhere between a mulatto and a griffe the mother is probably between a mulatto and a quadroon and the daughter looks to be in between a Quadroon and Octoroon. Either way they don't deserve to be called white Europeans proper because their blood has been tainted by SSA genetics. I think that even trying to weed out their SSA genetics will not be worth it because than they will just be introducing SSA genetics no matter how small to other pure Europeans.

rhiannon
07-14-2011, 04:05 AM
This is because the grandmother looks to be somewhere between a mulatto and a griffe the mother is probably between a mulatto and a quadroon and the daughter looks to be in between a Quadroon and Octoroon. Either way they don't deserve to be called white Europeans proper because their blood has been tainted by SSA genetics. I think that even trying to weed out their SSA genetics will not be worth it because than they will just be introducing SSA genetics no matter how small to other pure Europeans.

Mom is 50/50, as given in my description. Daughter is 25%, and granddaughter is 12.5%

Unless you are demanding a DNA test from every potential mate of yours, you could easily mate with someone of similar percentage African and never even know they had any African ancestry.

That is the point I am making.

GeistFaust
07-14-2011, 04:07 AM
Still trying to get into the percentages defeats the purpose with what you were trying to tackle with. There is no way in my honest opinions any racially mixed individuals should be allowed to intermarry with pure Europeans. It should be considered illegal and an outright blasphemous.

Austin
07-14-2011, 04:07 AM
So, you go from saying my opinion matters because of my life experiences yesterday....to name-calling today. You really are a piece of work, Austin. I'm finished with attempting any sort of discourse with you, as you clearly have shown your inability to retain some semblance of dignity in the art of debate.


I know this mixed race guy that got to the top. His mom was white, his father pure black from Africa.

For some reason he married a pure black woman.

You know why? He couldn't find a white woman but not just that, he had aspirations within the black community, and knew he had to marry a black woman to achieve what he wanted.


He sure looks like he is genetically blending-in with Europeans.

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/6227/obamaqs.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/89/obamaqs.jpg/)

GeistFaust
07-14-2011, 04:10 AM
Racial composition and ethnic composition should not be based off of mere appearance but off of genetic structure as well.

rhiannon
07-14-2011, 04:15 AM
Racial composition and ethnic composition should not be based off of mere appearance but off of genetic structure as well.

But unless you know a person's genetic ancestry, there is no way of knowing a person's ethnic or racial composition when a certain level of intermixing has occured.

I understand the point you are trying to make, though.

GeistFaust
07-14-2011, 04:18 AM
The common man is too dense, thick minded, and ignorant to understand that the surface only accounts for the aspect of a man what is predetermined and fixed rarely goes noticed!

Hess
07-14-2011, 04:19 AM
Hmm, if a person looks and acts European that's good enough for me. I would never demand a DNA test from someone

Boudica
07-14-2011, 04:21 AM
You misread what I said. Anyway, here is a photo a a mother (50/50 black white mix), and her daughter and granddaughter.

Both daughter and granddaughter look pretty white to me. I see no evidence that anyone could even guess they were anything other than fully Europid.

I'll post more if this is not to your satisfaction.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=12431&stc=1&d=1310615916

While this does happen SOMETIMES, it is a rarity. People that are half black/white tend to reproduce with a black. Many times you can't even tell if a mixed person is mixed at all because they will just look like a light skinned black. I'm going to say this for like the 5th time on this thread. Studies/statistics have shown that mixed people tend to enter the culture of their dominant side (for example:Black, white, mexican, whatever) they do this because they look the most like them and it makes them feel comfortable, people naturally feel more comfortable around people that they look like, because they can relate to each other and they are not the "black sheep" of the group. If we are talking about a black and white mix or some sort of black and hispanic mix, they have an even higher possibility of going with the other non white race because, lets just face it, most blacks/mestizos are not exactly middle class/upper middle class, they usually live in a very racially diverse/ghettoish area, and lets just face it again you don't really see very many middle/upper middle class people with a different raced spouse.. This makes it much easier for them to go with the other nonwhite race.

BeerBaron
07-14-2011, 04:23 AM
Hmm, if a person looks and acts European that's good enough for me. I would never demand a DNA test from someone

Ya it'd be a bit embarrassing to bust out a DNA kit or the cranial calipers on a date. I could see some on this forum doing that, if they got out of their parents basement long enough to even go on a date.:rolleyes:

Austin
07-14-2011, 04:23 AM
So, you go from saying my opinion matters because of my life experiences yesterday....to name-calling today. You really are a piece of work, Austin. I'm finished with attempting any sort of discourse with you, as you clearly have shown your inability to retain some semblance of dignity in the art of debate.


I never valued your poverty-corrupted, anti-white garbage opinions. I just meant that I understand where your delusion comes from because you have suffered and in that suffering have misplaced blame due to being indoctrinated that it is a white society that oppressed you, when in fact it is the opposite.

Don't ever assume that I value anything you've said so far. It's complete garbage meshed with the typical kind words here and there to offset the poison being spewed. I've had feminist, nut-job doctorate professors in race studies who I openly called nuts and fringe educators who should be fired. I see through you :)

GeistFaust
07-14-2011, 04:26 AM
While this does happen SOMETIMES, it is a rarity. People that are half black/white tend to reproduce with a black. Many times you can't even tell if a mixed person is mixed at all because they will just look like a light skinned black. I'm going to say this for like the 5th time on this thread. Studies/statistics have shown that mixed people tend to enter the culture of their dominant side (for example:Black, white, mexican, whatever) they do this because they look the most like them and it makes them feel comfortable, people naturally feel more comfortable around people that they look like, because they can relate to each other and they are not the "black sheep" of the group. If we are talking about a black and white mix or some sort of black and hispanic mix, they have an even higher possibility of going with the other non white race because, lets just face it, most blacks/mestizos are not exactly middle class/upper middle class, they usually live in a very racially diverse/ghettoish area, and lets just face it again you don't really see very many middle/upper middle class people with a different raced spouse.. This makes it much easier for them to go with the other nonwhite race.

This is very true which is why racial mixing should be discouraged at all cost because the children will lack a positive sense of identity and will be racially confused so to speak. Their instinctual and spritiual powers will be lessened and they will be easier to be controlled and manipulated by materalism and secullarism. Not only this if you are a white person and you marry a black or Arabic person most likely you are going to bred children that will belong to the lower level of the class spectrum unlike if you kept within your own race.

Boudica
07-14-2011, 04:27 AM
It was a questionable, history-void, neo-feminist who I seriously doubt is a European based on her attempted suppressed fury, who claimed this dribble but anyways. to your point.



You're correct of course, mixed race people never end up procreating with non mixed race people because on average they aren't accepted and have to revert to non-whites or other mixed race people. Neo-leftist, anti-white types don't like to deal in reality, but instead prefer to deal in ideological-ideals, which is to say they prefer that golden equality world with sparkling cupcakes that doesn't actually exist, but of which we are evil and racist for pointing such out.

I think that she is more or less active on this site for amusement and entertainment since she obviously has no views of a european preservationist. I don't see how anyone who would race mix can be a european preservationist, because when you race mix, and you have a mixed offspring you are pretty much throwing away your white culture, and your family's future generations are sure as hell not going to look white/have a white culture.

rhiannon
07-14-2011, 04:28 AM
I never valued your poverty-corrupted, anti-white garbage opinions. I just meant that I understand where your delusion comes from because you have suffered and in that suffering have misplaced blame due to being indoctrinated that it is a white society that oppressed you, when in fact it is the opposite.

Don't ever assume that I value anything you've said so far. It's complete garbage meshed with the typical kind words here and there to offset the poison being spewed. I've had feminist, nut-job doctorate professors in race studies who I openly called nuts and fringe educators who should be fired. I see through you :)

So much I could learn from a young boy whose generation is known to suck off the collective tit of mommy and daddy until well into their 30s.....:goodnight:

Go get yourself a real job and live out in the real world for about ten years....then maybe your opinion will be taken more seriously.

rhiannon
07-14-2011, 04:30 AM
I think that she is more or less active on this site for amusement and entertainment since she obviously has no views of a european preservationist. I don't see how anyone who would race mix can be a european preservationist, because when you race mix, and you have a mixed offspring you are pretty much throwing away your white culture, and your family's future generations are sure as hell not going to look white/have a white culture.

My husband and children are of NW European ancestry. I just don't tell others who they should fall in love with.

It amazes me how many people on here try to invalidate a person's reason for coming here merely on the basis of disagreement.

GeistFaust
07-14-2011, 04:31 AM
So much I could learn from a young boy whose generation is known to suck off the collective tit of mommy and daddy until well into their 30s.....:goodnight:

Go get yourself a real job and live out in the real world for about ten years....then maybe your opinion will be taken more seriously.

You need not attack Austin by grouping him into a generation of children I am sure the norm does not necessarily apply to him but it might. It might be best in your circumstance to avoid Ad hominem attacks unless they have an empirical backing of sorts. I think you just need to continue to argue within the confines of the issue at hand.

Austin
07-14-2011, 04:33 AM
So much I could learn from a young boy whose generation is known to suck off the collective tit of mommy and daddy until well into their 30s.....:goodnight:

Go get yourself a real job and live out in the real world for about ten years....then maybe your opinion will be taken more seriously.


I know you exactly. You married up didn't you? I don't doubt you had it hard, but royally you are the problem with the West.

I work and have worked till 16. I had a hard time because of ideological scum like you. You're trash and I hate you. You're horrible for working class whites. You hurt them immensely with your pro-minority, anti-white nonsense.


You're a spoiled brat, white feminist who benefited from white feminism racism against minorities.

Boudica
07-14-2011, 04:34 AM
My husband and children are of NW European ancestry. I just don't tell others who they should fall in love with.

It amazes me how many people on here try to invalidate a person's reason for coming here merely on the basis of disagreement.

I didn't say you shouldn't be here, I'm happy to have you here, I just said that I don't see how anyone could be a european preservationist with those views.

BeerBaron
07-14-2011, 04:34 AM
So much I could learn from a young boy whose generation is known to suck off the collective tit of mommy and daddy until well into their 30s.....:goodnight:

Go get yourself a real job and live out in the real world for about ten years....then maybe your opinion will be taken more seriously.

Lets not throw around shit about generations, X is no better and baby boomers, who are the parents of Y, created this economic mess then blame their kids. So lets just not go there

Plus many in gen Y are quite successful despite the mess;)

rhiannon
07-14-2011, 04:34 AM
You need not attack Austin by grouping him into a generation of children I am sure the norm does not necessarily apply to him but it might. It might be best in your circumstance to avoid Ad hominem attacks unless they have an empirical backing of sorts. I think you just need to continue to argue within the confines of the issue at hand.

Fair enough. I just get sick of the insults from a person who has so much of life yet to live. He really ought to stop thinking he can school others who have dissenting opinions.

In the context of this discussion, I have remained very civil with him...much more so than he has been with me or others of similar viewpoints.

GeistFaust, even if you disagree, at least you have been polite. I do appreciate that.

GeistFaust
07-14-2011, 04:34 AM
I know you exactly. You married up didn't you? I don't doubt you had it hard, but royally you are the problem with the West.

I work and have worked till 16. I had a hard time because of ideological scum like you. You're trash and I hate you. You're horrible for working class whites. You hurt them immensely with your pro-minority, anti-white nonsense.

Austin calm down you and her need to stop this Ad Hominem nonsense may we stay within the confines of the argument and not attack others personally. I think if we disagree on something perhaps we should just accept that as it is and move on. Its not that serious where you have to get all upset over what someone says over cyber space.

rhiannon
07-14-2011, 04:37 AM
Lets not throw around shit about generations, X is no better and baby boomers, who are the parents of Y, created this economic mess then blame their kids. So lets just not go there

Plus many in gen Y are quite successful despite the mess;)

This GenXer did not follow suit with most others of her generation. I was out of the house and on my own at 18. My daughter was born shortly thereafter, and I became a responsible member of society rather fast, because of it.

Many others of my same generation did not do this, but none of us have been so dependent upon our parents as the Y Generation has.

That may be the Boomer's fault...lol. I don't know.

His attacks grew thin, finally, so he got a little bit dished right back at him!

rhiannon
07-14-2011, 04:38 AM
Austin calm down you and her need to stop this Ad Hominem nonsense may we stay within the confines of the argument and not attack others personally. I think if we disagree on something perhaps we should just accept that as it is and move on. Its not that serious where you have to get all upset over what someone says over cyber space.

GF: Don't worry. He's on my ignore list now.

GeistFaust
07-14-2011, 04:38 AM
Fair enough. I just get sick of the insults from a person who has so much of life yet to live. He really ought to stop thinking he can school others who have dissenting opinions.

In the context of this discussion, I have remained very civil with him...much more so than he has been with me or others of similar viewpoints.

GeistFaust, even if you disagree, at least you have been polite. I do appreciate that.

Yes well as your experience is concerned I must say a person's experience of life should apply to merely to themselves and to no one else. I think an individual's thoughts and ideas are validated by testing them and experimenting them against the real world. That is when rather great thoughts and ideals become truly legendary. Also I think for a thought or idea to be necessarily accepted it does not need to be considered right to be right for that person because the truth in most circumstances is merely a matter of opinion. That opinion though can have alot of weight on the public mass when one applies power and force behind that opinion and especially when you are self confident in that opinion as the truth due to life experiences.

Austin
07-14-2011, 04:40 AM
Austin calm down you and her need to stop this Ad Hominem nonsense may we stay within the confines of the argument and not attack others personally. I think if we disagree on something perhaps we should just accept that as it is and move on. Its not that serious where you have to get all upset over what someone says over cyber space.


She's anti-white working class.

The typical poverty white leftist who is now going to lecture everyone on how to be a good equality advocate and moral person because unbeknown to her she benefited from a racial apartheid system called feminism which enabled her to go to college and attain work in front of minorities.

It's sickening is all. Thank god her generation is on the out.

Boudica
07-14-2011, 04:40 AM
Yes, Austin.. You are being a little bit over the top, although you don't agree with a persons opinion(s) it doesn't mean you need to insult them so harshly which is what you have been doing.

BeerBaron
07-14-2011, 04:40 AM
I know you exactly. You married up didn't you? I don't doubt you had it hard, but royally you are the problem with the West.

I work and have worked till 16. I had a hard time because of ideological scum like you. You're trash and I hate you. You're horrible for working class whites. You hurt them immensely with your pro-minority, anti-white nonsense.


You're a spoiled brat, white feminist who benefited from white feminism racism against minorities.

Well, the scrapping of the middle class, labour unions then outsourcing is what hurt working gen Y'ers and that was largely done by the baby boomer generation. I think she mentioned she was part of generation X.

Boudica
07-14-2011, 04:41 AM
She's anti-white working class.

The typical poverty white leftist who is now going to lecture everyone on how to be a good equality advocate and moral person because unbeknown to her she benefited from a racial apartheid system called feminism which enabled her to go to college and attain work in front of minorities.

It's sickening is all. Thank god her generation is on the out.

once again, way over the top, especially with the feminist stuff. cool down dude, make your own thread about this stuff, i'm sure it will be exciting.

GeistFaust
07-14-2011, 04:43 AM
This GenXer did not follow suit with most others of her generation. I was out of the house and on my own at 18. Many others of my same generation did not do this, but none of us have been so dependent upon our parents as the Y Generation has.

That may be the Boomer's fault...lol. I don't know.

His attacks grew thin, finally, so he got a little bit dished right back at him!

I have realized it is the nature of my generation to be ressentful, aggressive, and schizoid isolationist due to lack of interactment with the real world. The same applies to myself for the most part but I find academic pursuits to find a civil and rational method of making myself understood and expressing myself. Overstimulus because off spending too much time on techologies, watching hyper sexualized material, and being overly self absorbed could be some other reasons why people have taken on such a degenerate and demorphed psychology this does not apply to you Austin but this applies simply to people who would even think twice about race mixing.

Austin
07-14-2011, 04:45 AM
Yes, Austin.. You are being a little bit over the top, although you don't agree with a persons opinion(s) it doesn't mean you need to insult them so harshly which is what you have been doing.


I can be against feminism if I want. It is a racist apartheid movement. Put me on ignore if you prefer. Honestly I'd rather you did as I don't care for your opinions honestly much either.

rhiannon
07-14-2011, 04:45 AM
once again, way over the top, especially with the feminist stuff. cool down dude, make your own thread about this stuff, i'm sure it will be exciting.

It's no biggie. I must have hit some sort of nerve with him, though. Lashing out of the nature he is doing is usually indicative of there being nothing of substance to add to the discussion.

The rest of you are at least being civil and showing ability to engage in intellectual discourse.

This thread has definitely been a hoot. :D

GeistFaust
07-14-2011, 04:46 AM
She's anti-white working class.

The typical poverty white leftist who is now going to lecture everyone on how to be a good equality advocate and moral person because unbeknown to her she benefited from a racial apartheid system called feminism which enabled her to go to college and attain work in front of minorities.

It's sickening is all. Thank god her generation is on the out.

I am not going to apply this assertion to her because I simply don't know her in real life to make such accussations. I think there are quite a few women out there that I know that are like this. They feel like woman have been marginalized for such a long period of time and so this is their time to empower themselves and by this they mean suck the energy and power from the white male in the working class.

BeerBaron
07-14-2011, 04:47 AM
I have realized it is the nature of my generation to be ressentful, aggressive, and schizoid isolationist due to lack of interactment with the real world. The same applies to myself for the most part but I find academic pursuits to find a civil and rational method of making myself understood and expressing myself. Overstimulus because off spending too much time on techologies, watching hyper sexualized material, and being overly self absorbed could be some other reasons why people have taken on such a degenerate and demorphed psychology this does not apply to you Austin but this applies simply to people who would even think twice about race mixing.

Thats a bit over the top, every generation goes through different hardships than other gens, doesn't really make them any more degenerate I remember my grandparents gen complaining about rock and roll and how it will destroy the world:rolleyes:

Plus gen Y is the most pacified gen that has come to age so far.

rhiannon
07-14-2011, 04:48 AM
I have realized it is the nature of my generation to be ressentful, aggressive, and schizoid isolationist due to lack of interactment with the real world. The same applies to myself for the most part but I find academic pursuits to find a civil and rational method of making myself understood and expressing myself. Overstimulus because off spending too much time on techologies, watching hyper sexualized material, and being overly self absorbed could be some other reasons why people have taken on such a degenerate and demorphed psychology this does not apply to you Austin but this applies simply to people who would even think twice about race mixing.

For a person of only 20, you are very articulate and well-spoken. That is meant as a compliment. I had a lot to learn still, when I was younger.

GeistFaust
07-14-2011, 04:49 AM
I can be against feminism if I want. It is a racist apartheid movement. Put me on ignore if you prefer. Honestly I'd rather you did as I don't care for your opinions honestly much either.

I am against feminism as well and find it not only to be an attack on masculine ideals but also on women's ideals. Although masked behind feminine lingo the feminist movement is nothing more than to control, manipulate, and abuse men and women even more so. The feminist movement has done more harm to woman than it has done good despite the fact that it has said it will seek to empower them after being marginalized for such a long period of time.

BeerBaron
07-14-2011, 04:50 AM
It's no biggie. I must have hit some sort of nerve with him, though. Lashing out of the nature he is doing is usually indicative of there being nothing of substance to add to the discussion.

The rest of you are at least being civil and showing ability to engage in intellectual discourse.

This thread has definitely been a hoot. :D

To be fair, it's easy to see why a working class gen Y would be angry. If you are a working class gen Y and aren't in highly skilled trade like electrician or something, you are pretty much destined for poverty. Plus we are the first gen that is slated to live worse than our parents as a whole, and largely because of them.

rhiannon
07-14-2011, 04:51 AM
It's been great discussion with most of you. I may come back later tonight. Have a great day/afternoon/night whereever you all may be! Even you, Austin.

Cheers!

Austin
07-14-2011, 04:51 AM
To be fair, it's easy to see why a working class gen Y would be angry. If you are a working class gen Y and aren't in highly skilled trade like electrician or something, you are pretty much destined for poverty. Plus we are the first gen that is slated to live worse than our parents as a whole, and largely because of them.


I work at a bank. The deluded nut, spoiled house mom doesn't know what she's talking about. I think I struck a nerve when I said she married up. ;)

GeistFaust
07-14-2011, 04:52 AM
Thats a bit over the top, every generation goes through different hardships than other gens, doesn't really make them any more degenerate I remember my grandparents gen complaining about rock and roll and how it will destroy the world:rolleyes:

Plus gen Y is the most pacified gen that has come to age so far.

Its not over the top my generation is the worst of all generations and will probably produce a worse and more corrupt generation when all is said and done. I think race mixing is an obvious sign and indication that this generation is heading in the wrong direction. In order to keep the physical and spiritual energies at their appropriate levels in any society one must always make sure to tackle each action with a rational thought and this generation either does not do or has the incapacity to do so.

Boudica
07-14-2011, 04:53 AM
It's no biggie. I must have hit some sort of nerve with him, though. Lashing out of the nature he is doing is usually indicative of there being nothing of substance to add to the discussion.

The rest of you are at least being civil and showing ability to engage in intellectual discourse.

This thread has definitely been a hoot. :D

He is just an odd, unhappy little man that can't stand it if some one agrees with him. He is the typical troll internet warrior that will lash out if he is losing in an argument because the internet is his only source of "power". I don't think that race mixing is right, but I'm not a dictator, I'm not going to tell people they shouldn't, it's their choice. He, however is a woman hating extremist who really needs to get laid, but can't since all women reject him.

Austin
07-14-2011, 04:55 AM
He is just an odd, unhappy little man that can't stand it if some one agrees with him. He is the typical troll internet warrior that will lash out if he is losing in an argument because the internet is his only source of "power". I don't think that race mixing is right, but I'm not a dictator, I'm not going to tell people they shouldn't, it's their choice. He, however is a woman hating extremist who really needs to get laid, but can't since all women reject him.


Yes they all reject me. It's so horrible. :D


Problem for you guys is I don't spill my coffee and throw a five minute fit to Loki when people insult me on ideological grounds, unlike some other high post count users..... ;)

BeerBaron
07-14-2011, 04:57 AM
Its not over the top my generation is the worst of all generations and will probably produce a worse and more corrupt generation when all is said and done. I think race mixing is an obvious sign and indication that this generation is heading in the wrong direction. In order to keep the physical and spiritual energies at their appropriate levels in any society one must always make sure to tackle each action with a rational thought and this generation either does not do or has the incapacity to do so.

Well I am part of your generation, and it's certainly not the most corrupt. Morality isn't something written in stone, it is dynamic and changes. If you think the generation is corrupt because of a different moral compass than more "traditional" generations like the parents of the baby boomers than so be it. Though, I would point out this generation, while perhaps more sexually deviant than other generations, is less violent. Depending on your personal moral standpoint, that could be better or worse.

While I agree with you that race mixing is wrong, the sad reality is it is only going to become more prevalent, and there isn't anything that is going to stop that.

BeerBaron
07-14-2011, 05:00 AM
He is just an odd, unhappy little man that can't stand it if some one agrees with him. He is the typical troll internet warrior that will lash out if he is losing in an argument because the internet is his only source of "power". I don't think that race mixing is right, but I'm not a dictator, I'm not going to tell people they shouldn't, it's their choice. He, however is a woman hating extremist who really needs to get laid, but can't since all women reject him.

Social scientists think there is something to that statement, they point to mens inability to deal with it as a major point of lashing out. We had huge debates over this at university.

Though I think some concerns are valid, it is something that can be seen all over the western world.

Boudica
07-14-2011, 05:01 AM
I can be against feminism if I want. It is a racist apartheid movement. Put me on ignore if you prefer. Honestly I'd rather you did as I don't care for your opinions honestly much either.

The fact that I didn't even disagree with you and just told you to act like a civil human being yet you still attacked me just proves that you are an emotionally unbalanced retard with a large inferiority complex. You are trashing this thread that a new user made and you obviously lack the capability of hearing a person with different views thoughts but controlling yourself at the same time. That being said, stop fucking up this thread, stop leaving me idiotic reputation comments, and go do something else you like, perhaps you can find Hitler's dead body and suck his dick, or perhaps you can go back to your normal routine and fuck your cat, bye buddy.

GeistFaust
07-14-2011, 05:03 AM
Well I am part of your generation, and it's certainly not the most corrupt. Morality isn't something written in stone, it is dynamic and changes. If you think the generation is corrupt because of a different moral compass than more "traditional" generations like the parents of the baby boomers than so be it. Though, I would point out this generation, while perhaps more sexually deviant than other generations, is less violent. Depending on your personal moral standpoint, that could be better or worse.

While I agree with you that race mixing is wrong, the sad reality is it is only going to become more prevalent, and there isn't anything that is going to stop that.

Yes well I think alot of the corruption found in this generation is found behind closed doors as cowards seek to cover their crimes and make them look respectable and civil. This age is determined by cowards individuals who are willing to make laws cloaked in civility and justice only to sneak a context in that is barbaric and unjust. Perhaps it is less violent because it is so focused on being sexually deviant and I think a good morality is which upholds rationality as the crux of a good culture and society. Unfortunately people tend to like to use reason for their own manical reasons and to live a piggish existence. It can be stopped and a wall must be constructed that will be able to keep this tidal wave of destruction at bay!

Austin
07-14-2011, 05:04 AM
The fact that I didn't even disagree with you and just told you to act like a civil human being yet you still attacked me just proves that you are an emotionally unbalanced retard with a large inferiority complex. You are trashing this thread that a new user made and you obviously lack the capability of hearing a person with different view's thoughts yet still acting like a human being and not some sort of damn pissed off internet lurking badger. That being said, stop fucking up this thread, stop leaving me idiotic reputation comments, and go do something else you like, perhaps you can find the Hitler's dead body and suck his dick, or perhaps you can go back to your normal routine and fuck your cat, bye buddy.


I don't have cats. I'm a dog person. You definitely don't want to hear my dealings with cats. If my ideological views upset you, then my actions in respect to cats would probably send you on a fit of rage.

Let's just say the cats didn't come out of their interactions with me.

GeistFaust
07-14-2011, 05:06 AM
Social scientists think there is something to that statement, they point to mens inability to deal with it as a major point of lashing out. We had huge debates over this at university.

Though I think some concerns are valid, it is something that can be seen all over the western world.

I think that subconsciously a man feel rejected when he has not aquainted himself with a woman whether or not that experience was related to having sex. For me I am quite chipper just being able to engage in indulge in an intellectually rich conversation which has at its forefront the highest concerns of a civilized society. I think the cyber world has more to teach me than I have to teach it.

GeistFaust
07-14-2011, 05:07 AM
I don't have cats. I'm a dog person. You definitely don't want to hear my dealings with cats. If my ideological views upset you, then my actions in respect to cats would probably send you on a fit of rage.

Let's just say the cats didn't come out of their interactions with me.

I don't see where relationships with animals would determine your emotional and psychological status I quite abhor animals and see them rather as filthy and uncouth whether they be trained or untrained.

BeerBaron
07-14-2011, 05:09 AM
Yes well I think alot of the corruption found in this generation is found behind closed doors as cowards seek to cover their crimes and make them look respectable and civil. This age is determined by cowards individuals who are willing to make laws cloaked in civility and justice only to sneak a context in that is barbaric and unjust. Perhaps it is less violent because it is so focused on being sexually deviant and I think a good morality is which upholds rationality as the crux of a good culture and society. Unfortunately people tend to like to use reason for their own manical reasons and to live a piggish existence. It can be stopped and a wall must be constructed that will be able to keep this tidal wave of destruction at bay!

Well our generation isn't old enough to enact laws, so that is largely the gen X'ers, I think you are overlapping the generations a bit. White collar crime, which is what I am assuming you are referring to, has largely been a baby boom and gen X issue, so that has yet to be seen, I think you are jumping the gun a bit.

I can't really address the rest of your comment, as it is irrational and emotional, ironically you speak about rationality as the crux of a good culture and display the opposite. Not picking on you, just an observation.

Austin
07-14-2011, 05:11 AM
I don't see where relationships with animals would determine your emotional and psychological status I quite abhor animals and see them rather as filthy and uncouth whether they be trained or untrained.


Oh you don't really think I'm going to judge my emotions off some malcontented house-wife feminist and her sycophant on a forum do you? I work at a bank and deal with blacks and Jews and REAL corporate feminists every day. It is amusing though.


As to cats, I see them as pests yes. They breed too much and kill the local birds. I catch them in a cage and retire them in garbage cans, simply chucking the cage in the filled up garbage can and waiting 10 minutes.

Boudica
07-14-2011, 05:12 AM
You definitely don't want to hear my dealings with cats.
Um yes, please don't tell me about your "dealings with cats", I beg you to spare me. :puke:


my actions in respect to cats would probably send you on a fit of rage.
Yes, beastiality is not very easy on my stomach..


Let's just say the cats didn't come out of their interactions with me.
Jesus christ you are one sick little man. I'm not religious, but I'll pray for you because it seems as if you are a cat serial rapist/murderer...

GeistFaust
07-14-2011, 05:12 AM
Well our generation isn't old enough to enact laws, so that is largely the gen X'ers, I think you are overlapping the generations a bit. White collar crime, which is what I am assuming you are referring to, has largely been a baby boom and gen X issue, so that has yet to be seen, I think you are jumping the gun a bit.

I can't really address the rest of your comment, as it is irrational and emotional, ironically you speak about rationality as the crux of a good culture and display the opposite. Not picking on you, just an observation.

Yes perhaps it is too young to enact laws but I have yet to observe that it can approach the world with a sensible mindset opposed to an irrational and diluted mindset which is degenerate. Their jdugments in ordinary day to day life are reflective to in my mind their possible inability to enact proper laws that will not be completely based around their own piggish selfishness which is infantile. And as for the rest of my comments that was not irrational but merely a passionate advocation for my system of beliefs whether they be too idealistic for your likings I will leave that to you to think about.

Boudica
07-14-2011, 05:14 AM
Oh you don't really think I'm going to judge my emotions off some malcontented house-wife feminist

I wasn't aware that feminists were housewives.. I thought that they were usually people that fire your ass and step on your face in the workforce.

BeerBaron
07-14-2011, 05:14 AM
I think that subconsciously a man feel rejected when he has not aquainted himself with a woman whether or not that experience was related to having sex. For me I am quite chipper just being able to engage in indulge in an intellectually rich conversation which has at its forefront the highest concerns of a civilized society. I think the cyber world has more to teach me than I have to teach it.

That was never really brought up in debate, the issue was largely the power dynamic and shift from a hierarchical society to a much more linear one. The historical context was also brought into question, as well as gender roles. But something as simplistic as "not being with a woman make man feel bad" was not given attention in this sort of deabte.

Austin
07-14-2011, 05:14 AM
Um yes, please don't tell me about your "dealings with cats", I beg you to spare me. :puke:


Yes, beastiality is not very easy on my stomach..


Jesus christ you are one sick little man. I'm not religious, but I'll pray for you because it seems as if you are a cat serial rapist/murderer...


They kill the birds on my property. The city just kills them anyways if I call them. They don't care.

GeistFaust
07-14-2011, 05:15 AM
Oh you don't really think I'm going to judge my emotions off some malcontented house-wife feminist and her sycophant on a forum do you? I work at a bank and deal with blacks and Jews and REAL corporate feminists every day. It is amusing though.


As to cats, I see them as pests yes. They breed too much and kill the local birds. I catch them in a cage and retire them in garbage cans, simply chucking the cage in the filled up garbage can and waiting 10 minutes.

It does seem like this whole issue has let out of alot of issues and frustrations you have with reality as a whole which is quite odd to say the least.

Austin
07-14-2011, 05:16 AM
It does seem like this whole issue has let out of alot of issues and frustrations you have with reality as a whole which is quite odd to say the least.


Says the political Anarchist 20 year old :)

GeistFaust
07-14-2011, 05:17 AM
That was never really brought up in debate, the issue was largely the power dynamic and shift from a hierarchical society to a much more linear one. The historical context was also brought into question, as well as gender roles. But something as simplistic as "not being with a woman make man feel bad" was not given attention in this sort of deabte.

I must be mistaken but this was in regards to your perspective of Austin's behavior it has nothing to do with the issue as I recall it. A Hierarchial society is a linear society as far as I interpret it to be. I was not directly relating the "not being with a woman to making a man feel bad" to this particular topic in general but rather to a specific case which sort of was sidetracked from the matter at hand.

BeerBaron
07-14-2011, 05:17 AM
Yes perhaps it is too young to enact laws but I have yet to observe that it can approach the world with a sensible mindset opposed to an irrational and diluted mindset which is degenerate. Their jdugments in ordinary day to day life are reflective to in my mind their possible inability to enact proper laws that will not be completely based around their own piggish selfishness which is infantile. And as for the rest of my comments that was not irrational but merely a passionate advocation for my system of beliefs whether they be too idealistic for your likings I will leave that to you to think about.

A harken back to the old way that ignores how most of the people of your generation thinks is, what I would consider, irrational.

I think a more sensible way would be to address the concerns, the differences, and make a logical move that advances people and can largely accommodate everyone, this rarely means going back to the old way because the world isn't that world anymore.

GeistFaust
07-14-2011, 05:19 AM
Says the political Anarchist 20 year old :)

I agree with you about it. :rolleyes: But on the other hand I am trying to act civil about things here as much as possible because I subtly agree with most of what your saying. Actually I think you and me think quite similarly and should set up a team to tackle the issues in society with an iron will.

GeistFaust
07-14-2011, 05:23 AM
A harken back to the old way that ignores how most of the people of your generation thinks is, what I would consider, irrational.

I think a more sensible way would be to address the concerns, the differences, and make a logical move that advances people and can largely accommodate everyone, this rarely means going back to the old way because the world isn't that world anymore.

I never said harken back to the old ways but we must never forget them and to abandon them completely is dangerous and suicidal in my mind. I think we should incorporate them into the ever changing dynamics of society and develop social and cultural frameworks that will focus on integrating tradition with new and youthful thought. In order for the young mind to become cultivated with rich fruits and ideals they should allows harken back to the wisdom of tradition which has stored within itself the unaltered truth.

Boudica
07-14-2011, 05:23 AM
I agree with you about it. :rolleyes: But on the other hand I am trying to act civil about things here as much as possible because I subtly agree with most of what your saying. Actually I think you and me think quite similarly and should set up a team to tackle the issues in society with an iron will.

would you all dress like this?
http://static.metal-archives.com/images/2/4/0/2/24025_photo.jpg

Austin
07-14-2011, 05:24 AM
I agree with you about it. :rolleyes: But on the other hand I am trying to act civil about things here as much as possible because I subtly agree with most of what your saying. Actually I think you and me think quite similarly and should set up a team to tackle the issues in society with an iron will.


They cannot read me at all. They never have been able to, which immensely frustrates them.

I am pretty liberal actually. I'm definitely not a conservative. I've just seen what feminism is basically, and it is essentially white, female racism against hard-working minorities and anti-patriarchy. Feminism has done more direct damage to liberalism and the West than any other ideology ten fold. I hate modern conservatives, but I also hate feminists, as ironically most minority intellectuals do as well (I've had several minority feminist/leftist professors, whoaaaa!!!! talk about different perspectives on feminism).

GeistFaust
07-14-2011, 05:25 AM
No not at all I am not willing to be an extremist about something I prefer moderation to be a racial Nazi of sorts because more can be accomplished in an appropriate fashion that way.

GeistFaust
07-14-2011, 05:29 AM
They cannot read me at all. They never have been able to, which immensely frustrates them.

I am pretty liberal actually. I'm definitely not a conservative. I've just seen what feminism is basically, and it is essentially white, female racism against hard-working minorities and anti-patriarchy. Feminism has done more direct damage to liberalism and the West than any other ideology ten fold. I hate modern conservatives, but I also hate feminists, as ironically most minority intellectuals do as well (I've had several minority feminist/leftist professors, whoaaaa!!!! talk about different perspectives on feminism).

Sir if you believe in half of the Liberals dogmas than you are no longer qualified to be an intellectual but an intellectual under sheep's skin. I am a libertarian and an advocater of individualism as long as it is kept in check and does not run in a disorderly fashion. I think feminism is definitely distorted and deranged and the madness and insanity produced by it should be stopped at all cost to ensure the safety of sane, rational, and moral members of society.

BeerBaron
07-14-2011, 05:30 AM
I never said harken back to the old ways but we must never forget them and to abandon them completely is dangerous and suicidal in my mind. I think we should incorporate them into the ever changing dynamics of society and develop social and cultural frameworks that will focus on integrating tradition with new and youthful thought. In order for the young mind to become cultivated with rich fruits and ideals they should allows harken back to the wisdom of tradition which has stored within itself the unaltered truth.

Perhaps I went to far with going back to the old days, that was the conclusion I drew from the points you expressed in your posts.

I think the reality is that we are dealing with a very different world that is changing at an ever increasing pace, and while I would personally prefer a homogenous culture, it simply isn't realistic anymore so finding a realistic common ground is imperative to save what we still have, which is a tall order because of the changing demographic, and exacerbated by the job crisis.

I feel bad for most of our generation, in the US unemployment is terrible, and the employment many of gen Y has is unstable and grossly underpaid. This will largely lead not to a a retraction in social welfare, but an expansion later when our gen makes laws and policy which intern will up immigration.

BeerBaron
07-14-2011, 05:33 AM
They cannot read me at all. They never have been able to, which immensely frustrates them.

I am pretty liberal actually. I'm definitely not a conservative. I've just seen what feminism is basically, and it is essentially white, female racism against hard-working minorities and anti-patriarchy. Feminism has done more direct damage to liberalism and the West than any other ideology ten fold. I hate modern conservatives, but I also hate feminists, as ironically most minority intellectuals do as well (I've had several minority feminist/leftist professors, whoaaaa!!!! talk about different perspectives on feminism).

I think if we are going to address this we need to make the distinction between moderate and extreme feminists. Extreme feminists, i agree, have done huge amounts of damage, but US media only paying attention to them is just as much to blame.

I don't see moderate sensible feminists as an issue at all though.

GeistFaust
07-14-2011, 05:36 AM
Perhaps I went to far with going back to the old days, that was the conclusion I drew from the points you expressed in your posts.

I think the reality is that we are dealing with a very different world that is changing at an ever increasing pace, and while I would personally prefer a homogenous culture, it simply isn't realistic anymore so finding a realistic common ground is imperative to save what we still have, which is a tall order because of the changing demographic, and exacerbated by the job crisis.

I feel bad for most of our generation, in the US unemployment is terrible, and the employment many of gen Y has is unstable and grossly underpaid. This will largely lead not to a a retraction in social welfare, but an expansion later when our gen makes laws and policy which intern will up immigration.

Yes perhaps I might come from a very archiac and old school mentality. On the other hand I think trying to grow and advance out of old ideas can produce quite the opposite if we are not careful as to how we seek change in society and culture. There has never been such a thing as a homogenous culture and there never will be one it is merely a fantasy and delusion concocted by fanatics and radical individuals who seek to do the impossible. Also alot of our issues in today's present day society is that we have to put up with ill consequences of past generations lack of proper judgment mostly because they wanted a homogenous culture and society look at how far that has gotten us.

Austin
07-14-2011, 05:40 AM
I think if we are going to address this we need to make the distinction between moderate and extreme feminists. Extreme feminists, i agree, have done huge amounts of damage, but US media only paying attention to them is just as much to blame.

I don't see moderate sensible feminists as an issue at all though.


Ah yes the all-elusive, moderate, sensible feminist. The rarest in all the land. So rare that nobody has ever seen one in modern-form but alas they are surely there for there exist numerous wonderful stories detailing them that abound.

I've known and do know several women who work and have kids at the same time. None of them consider themselves "Feminist", as I've asked them such. Many even openly oppose the term.

Every woman I've ever met who insisted on being called an actual feminist was the worst order of whacko-leftist ever to be encountered. All were at universities or over the age of 40 and usually from a time long gone, such as the sixties.

Sikeliot
07-14-2011, 05:41 AM
I don't have cats. I'm a dog person. You definitely don't want to hear my dealings with cats. If my ideological views upset you, then my actions in respect to cats would probably send you on a fit of rage.

Let's just say the cats didn't come out of their interactions with me.

You're evil.

GeistFaust
07-14-2011, 05:42 AM
Ah yes the all-elusive, moderate, sensible feminist. The rarest in all the land. So rare that nobody has ever seen one in modern-form but alas they are surely there for there exist numerous wonderful stories detailing them that abound.

I've known and do know several women who work and have kids at the same time. None of them consider themselves "Feminist", as I've asked them such. Many even openly oppose the term.

Every woman I've ever met who insisted on being called an actual feminist was the worst order of whacko-leftist ever to be encountered. All were at universities or over the age of 40 and usually from a time long gone, such as the sixties.

The irony of being a sensible and moderate feminist does not elude me even when moderate feminist are able to cloack their feminine lingo and terminologies in rather masculine compatible and supportive sayings.

Austin
07-14-2011, 05:43 AM
You're evil.


According to the city humane-society I'm helpful.

You do realize what the city does with stray cats after 24 hours yes?

BeerBaron
07-14-2011, 05:44 AM
Yes perhaps I might come from a very archiac and old school mentality. On the other hand I think trying to grow and advance out of old ideas can produce quite the opposite if we are not careful as to how we seek change in society and culture. There has never been such a thing as a homogenous culture and there never will be one it is merely a fantasy and delusion concocted by fanatics and radical individuals who seek to do the impossible. Also alot of our issues in today's present day society is that we have to put up with ill consequences of past generations lack of proper judgment mostly because they wanted a homogenous culture and society look at how far that has gotten us.

I agree with that to a point, but we need to advance out of some old ideas and almost all ideologies qualify in this as far as I am concerned, a simple middle ground is almost impossible to achieve when you bring peoples ideologies into question.

There are homogenous cultures, Japan for example is one they are considered homogenous. there is no 100% homogenous culture, but there are cultures that are considered homogenous, say 90% or above.

GeistFaust
07-14-2011, 05:47 AM
I agree with that to a point, but we need to advance out of some old ideas and almost all ideologies qualify in this as far as I am concerned, a simple middle ground is almost impossible to achieve when you bring peoples ideologies into question.

There are homogenous cultures, Japan for example is one they are considered homogenous. there is no 100% homogenous culture, but there are cultures that are considered homogenous, say 90% or above.

Yes a middle ground is good and positively oriented towards a collective progressivism. I misinterpreted what you meant by homogenous but still a homogenous society is an idealistic dream in the minds of the few today. It can only be put forth into action if we are willing to maintain and preserve a tribalistic mentality in today's rather multicultural world.

BeerBaron
07-14-2011, 05:47 AM
Ah yes the all-elusive, moderate, sensible feminist. The rarest in all the land. So rare that nobody has ever seen one in modern-form but alas they are surely there for there exist numerous wonderful stories detailing them that abound.

I've known and do know several women who work and have kids at the same time. None of them consider themselves "Feminist", as I've asked them such. Many even openly oppose the term.

Every woman I've ever met who insisted on being called an actual feminist was the worst order of whacko-leftist ever to be encountered. All were at universities or over the age of 40 and usually from a time long gone, such as the sixties.

I mostly agree with this statement, and I have had the same experience when a woman insists she is feminist then she is almost always extreme. I did a search on youtube for a sensible feminist, I mostly agree with this girls view on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSdZlPKHpUQ

Austin
07-14-2011, 06:18 AM
I want to point something out to all white feminist (racist apartheid) supporters.

Sun May 22, 2011 at 10:35 AM PDT
White Privilege Diary Series #1 - White Feminist Privilege in Organizations (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/05/22/957012/-White-Privilege-Diary-Series-#1White-Feminist-Privilege-in-Organizations)

by hepshiba (http://www.dailykos.com/user/hepshiba)


Over the last thirty years I've worked with a variety of white-dominated feminist organizations that have expressed a wish to "diversify." While feminist organizations differ in structure and intent, the reasons these various organizations gave for bringing me in as a consultant or to hold workshops were strikingly similar. "Why," they wanted to know, "can't we attract women of color to our organization? And when they do show up, why don't they stay?" Sometimes I worked alone, but often I worked with an African American feminist partner. We found, over time, a depressing similarity of pattern as, one after another, the organizations we counseled decided that our suggestions would be "too difficult" to implement. This diary describes my experiences in the world of white feminist organizations and NGOs, and offers an analysis of the key problems of white privilege and the investment of many white feminist institutions in racist practices.


I'll start this essay with this comment: If you're a white feminist and an anti-racist, I'm not talking about you (though I would be interested in talking with you). If you're a white feminist and you don't like how I'm talking about racist white feminists, that's fine. But if you want to convince me that most white feminists aren't also racists (conscious or unconscious), forget it because it won't work. You'll be doing the racists' work for them, by distracting from a discussion about racism, and diverting to a lament about poor, misunderstood white feminists. Finally, if you're a white, racist feminist and you know it, get a clue, or take a hike. Or show your ass. And if you're not any sort of feminist at all, go bark up somebody else's tree.
One spring afternoon in the late 1990s I get a call from an African American feminist colleague. (We'll call her Mary, though that's not her name.) There's a white feminist 501(c)(3) that is interested in bringing in diversity counselors to help them... diversify. Let's call the organization Too White For Comfort (TWFC). (There's no point in picking on a single organization in this diary, because this story was repeated countless times.) They're too cheap or too broke to pay for diversity counselors, so we're asked if we'll volunteer. Because we believe in what we do, and also have university jobs, we agree. We set up a time to meet together with the TWFC Board.
When we all meet, Mary and I find ourselves at a table with thirteen white women, two Latinas, and one African American woman. Like many feminist NGOs, this one clearly has a small core leadership group of about 4-5 women, all of whom are white. The white women are the ones who describe the problem: they simply can't get women of color, and especially African American women, to join the organization or to get involved with programs in any real numbers. Mary looks at the women of color and invites them to contribute to the discussion, but they generally demur or repeat what the white women have said. We're used to this -- Mary will hear something different when she gets them alone.
And that's our first proposal -- we'd like Mary to meet with the women of color in the organization and brainstorm, while I meet with the white women and discuss possible strategies to invite more participation. The women of color nod in agreement, but the white women are nervous. "Is this a good idea?" one of them asks. "Won't it divide us instead of bringing us together?" Mary explains that women of color are often able to speak more freely when they don't have to fear offending or being misinterpreted by white colleagues. I explain that white women also need a space to open up about feelings and attitudes without fear of offending non-white peers. Only when we can be open about our attitudes can we begin to address any problems that are caused by our beliefs. We both explain that meeting separately is temporary, and that the goal is for everyone to come together and to express themselves in constructive ways. So we set a date for the meetings, which take place at the same time in different parts of the building. Afterwards, Mary and I meet to discuss our findings. For us, it's business as usual.
Mary reports that most of the women of color associated with the organization showed up -- 25 attended the meeting. It took a little while to break the ice, but after introductions and a brief discussion of the expectations that participants had, Mary asked her usual questions, which elicited the usual answers. The women of color felt strongly that the organization was mainly "white" and that "white issues" had priority. All of the women present were aware of working "outside" their own communities, and most did so because they felt "the cause" was of primary importance. A majority felt that TWFC had not been responsive to their attempts to introduce issues of importance to their communities, and some had agitated for exactly the kind of diversity counseling that Mary and I were supposed to provide. Mary broke the women out into focus groups based on interest and suggested that each group concentrate on the specific, constructive, and realistic measures they felt TWFC could take to serve the communities they felt were excluded. After 45 minutes in break-out groups, the whole group came together to discuss and compile a document that included all suggestions for improvement. Emotions ran strong at several points during the meeting, when women described situations of racial friction that had caused them pain or angered them, but the bulk of the meeting was spent working cooperatively with the intent of offering the organization a path to improvement.
What I had planned for my meeting with the white women of TWFC was a set of introductions, and an initial discussion of what, in their opinion, a truly diverse organization would look and feel like. As I expected, their views were universally that a diverse TWFC would be just like the current TWFC, except there would be more women of color attending events and volunteering for the organization. Their focus was on "attracting" more women of color. I urged them to shift the focus in two separate directions:
Question 1: "How do women of color stand to benefit by joining the current TWFC?"
Question 2: "Can you see anything about the current structure of TWFC that might serve as an impediment to attracting women of color."
Answers to Question 1 were clustered around the belief that TWFC helped "all women" and that a woman of color's interests were also served by the work of the organization because "they're women too." No one on the board suggested that the category of "women" was not universal, and that communities of women (or women from different communities) might have different needs, and different opinions on how to achieve those needs. There was a distinct air, in some of the comments, that women of color should be "grateful" that organizations like TWFC were fighting for "their" interests, and that the failure of women of color to join TWFC was a kind of ingratitude.
Answers to Question 2 were a bit more interesting. Some suggested that TWFC events were not held in black or Hispanic neighborhoods, that public transportation in the city was terrible for people who needed to travel from those neighborhoods, and that perhaps the hours of meetings were not convenient. Others attempted to argue that TWFC placed no impediments in the way, but that women of color "were just not interested" in participating -- the flaw was in them and not in the organization. The President of TWFC seemed to be in the latter camp. She mentioned, repeatedly, that they did have women of color on the Board, and that Jeannie (the African American board member) had no problems participating.
After that part of the discussion ended, I suggested that they not think about race in isolation, but also include the dimension of class. Is it easier to be a contributing member of TWFC if you are upper- or comfortably middle-class? Is it harder to attend events if you are a working mother? What class of women were TWFC events attracting? Were they serving poor women as well as they were serving everyone else? I asked them to take notes and return with their observations.
Mary and I held two more separate sessions. Mary's group refined their suggestions and researched what it would take for the organization to implement each of them. Her group worked cooperatively to come up with strategies to support each others' attempts to bring about change and to diversify TWFC. I met with the white women to further discuss the issues we had raised in the first meeting. Several white members reported back that TWFC events and meetings attracted primarily white middle- and upper-class members, with private transportation, copious free time, and a history of volunteerism for women's causes. The black and Hispanic women on the Board were also upper- and middle-class, with similar characteristics. Charity fundraising events were priced out of the range of working-class and poor women, although the funds were being raised in part to provide services to women in those communities. TWFC meetings and general assemblies were held in places that were difficult for poor women to reach. And when working class women and poor women did attend, they didn't seem to "fit in" -- some women confessed to feeling uncomfortable around "them." It became clear that working class & poor women of color fell into the category most like to inspire thoughts about "not fitting in." This was something new for most of the white women in the meeting, who became very uncomfortable when they realized their biases. During these meetings, the white consensus evolved to accept that both the attitudes of the white women and some of the characteristics of the organization indeed had to change.
In my third meeting with "my" women, the tone of the meeting shifted to the confessional. My observation, in these situations, is that when white feminists come face to face with their prejudices, they feel bad about them. They talk about their realizations as if their lives have already changed by the mere fact of their recognition. They tell stories to show each other how "bad" they have been, and are consoled by their peers, who describe similar mistakes. The meeting usually gets quite emotional, and it takes a lot of moderation to make sure that it doesn't dissolve into a mass pity-fest about how bad making other people feel bad makes white women feel. Our next meeting will be a joint meeting where we will begin to discuss concrete ways that TWFC can meet the needs of women of color, both as members and in terms of services it provides.
Mary and I meet jointly with our groups. The women of color present their document to the white women, who are given an hour to read and reflect on its content, and to prepare constructive responses. (The women of color sip coffee in another room.) And the big meeting reconvenes. Again, the pattern is predictable. The white women apologize to the women of color, still a bit mired in confessional murk. The women of color speak encouragingly to the white women, and forgive them for their sins, because the women of color want to move things along to a discussion of the meat of their proposals. White women's reactions to the suggestions of women of color vary from, "Oh, that would be easy to implement! Let's do it!" to "I'm not sure that's the mission of this organization," to "But isn't that too specialized and wouldn't that exclude white women?" to "But we'd have to restructure the whole organization!" Costs and resource allotment are mulled over. The women of color want movement and some pay-off for their efforts. The majority of the white women want time to think the suggestions over. There is always some tension in the room, and virtually always there is one woman of color (often on the Board) and one white women who attempt to ease the others' discomfort by serving as bridges and conciliators.
We hold two more joint meetings to further discuss the philosophy and practice of changing the organization. Both are focused on examining concrete suggestions and devising practical implemenations. It is at this juncture that it becomes clear to Mary and me if the task of diversification will succeed or fail. If it is successful, we will see women of color and white women increasingly begin to separate into multi-racial groups based on interest in particular program changes, and we will hear a lot of exchanging of phone numbers, and suggestions for meeting dates. This delights me and Mary when we see it, though, sadly, it happens rarely.
More often, however, splits emerge along racial lines -- the white women simply aren't receptive to the core ideas put forward by the women of color. Those ideas are "too expensive" in money, time or resources. They're outside the boundaries of "the purpose of the organization." The white women "don't think they'll work" or don't feel they're "fair." The donors might object. And so on. White rejection is usually passive aggressive, and resembles the Transactional Analysis game of "Yes, but..." The women who attempt to bridge are shut down by both communities because the women of color feel that "it's happening all over again," and the white women experience the list of proposals as some kind of "attack."
This is the moment when personal prejudice can be coupled with power to enforce discrimination at an institutional level: this, in short, is where racism lives. It is a small group of 4-5 women who really control all the decisions and resources of the organization, and who will set a tone of cooperation or poison the atmosphere. 501(c)(3)s -- especially the small ones -- are personality driven. This means that a small group of women pour their hearts and souls and much of their financial resources into building the organization, and feel a strong proprietary interest. They are comfortable with each other, often because they are all the same race and class, etc. Mary and I eventually came to realize that unless the core group wants the change, no change will ever happen. Short of voting with their feet (which many feminists do), the members of the organization have no instrument with which they can force positive change that the Powers That Be don't want to make.
I could go on for quite a while, talking about the passive aggressive and covert power relationships that thrive in many "feminist" environments, but a lot has been written about that already, and about "trashing," so I won't take up more time repeating those analyses. Instead I want to focus on the incredible rarity of genuine and committed diversity in feminist organizations. In the beginning, when Mary and I hadn't experienced this process enough times to see the patterns clearly, we used to meet "our" groups separately for one final time, to see what each constituency thought had happened. But if the group meeting had degenerated into "choosing sides," my final meetings with the white women were monumentally unproductive -- I inevitably faced a wall of resistance more entrenched than it had been when I met them.
Mary and I believe that this isn't because we were bad teachers, but because were were good ones. The core group began by thinking it was easy to go beyond tokenism to integrate women of color into the organization. They ended, however, with the realization that genuine integration means not only attracting more women of color to events, but also shifting the structure of the organization to include women of color as powerful forces in shaping the organization. Perhaps because their racism made them see me as a "white ally," these resistant white feminists were often very up-front with me about their decision not to share power with women of color. One Board president told me it "simply isn't worth it" to consult women of color about what they want, because she realized it would take the organization in a direction she didn't want it to go, and serve a constituency she now realized (as a result of our "counseling") she didn't want to serve. Other white women said that it would make them "too uncomfortable," and that, for them, TWFC would no longer be a refuge and a place that boosted their egos by affirming they "did good." Instead, they'd have to be "careful" all the time, and would be self-conscious about what the women of color thought of them. In short, given the comfort of racism, and the discomfort of active anti-racism, they chose racism, outright. What was there for me to do at that point, except clarify that they had chosen to perpetuate racism, rather than to end it?
Mary, however, did continue her final meetings with the women of color, and invited me to participate in them. Eventually she changed her tactics and invited everyone to participate -- even the white women who didn't want to change. In this meeting, we laid it out like we'd seen it unfold -- we praised and offered further assistance to the few organizations that faced or embraced the difficult process of true diversification. And if the core group decided not to pursue diversification, we called them on it, in front of the entire constituency. We then encouraged women of color to find other ways to get their needs met, and offered to share resources so they could start their own foundations to serve their own -- and other -- communities.
Anyone who has done anti-racist work for more than a few years has run up against this problem: most racists are happy being racists, and simply don't want to change. But at the same time they want to be protected from accusations of racism, and resent anyone who makes them "feel bad" about it. White feminists are no different from other white people in that regard, as feminists of color well know. A few are truly committed to diversity and anti-racist action, but the majority of us are not, and get angry and nasty when we're driven out of our comfort zone. In my estimation, however, a racist feminist is no feminist at all.
Eventually I stopped doing diversity counseling for white feminist organizations -- it's a task best left to people who still possess the idealism and energy that I no longer have. There's the old joke about the therapist and the light bulb: Q: How many therapists does it take to change a light bulb? A: One, but it has to want to change. So the only feminists I have time for these days are the ones for whom anti-racism is a motivating force...

Mercury
07-14-2011, 06:18 AM
If cats were killing birds near my house they would only be benefiting the environment. The great majority of birds that live in my yard belong to an invasive species (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Sparrow). But I could see killing cats off if they're exterminating native species, such as jaybirds or something.

Austin
07-14-2011, 06:20 AM
If cats were killing birds near my house they would only be benefiting the environment. The great majority of birds that live in my yard belong to an invasive species (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Sparrow).


Domesticated cats are actually the greatest numerical killers of natural wildlife in the world.

If you want to be an animal preservationist, start retiring domestic stray cats.

I remember my friends cat in one year killed something like 200 birds, 50 rabbits, and a couple dozen snakes/frogs/lizards/squirrels. Cats are horrible, horrible creatures. It's anti-nature to have more than one cat.

Dario Argento
07-14-2011, 06:25 AM
Interracial relationships thread turns into Animal sadism thread... I like where this thread is going :thumb001::thumb001:

Since when this thread is Animal sex? Since now LOL.

Mercury
07-14-2011, 06:29 AM
Domesticated cats are actually the greatest numerical killers of natural wildlife in the world.

If you want to be an animal preservationist, start retiring domestic stray cats.

Pretty much. They're causing huge problems on certain isolated islands. They systematically kill the native lizards/birds or whatever who haven't adapted to deal with mammalian predators like cats.

By the way, it would be cool to fast-forward time a few million years and see how domestic cats fully adapt to their new environments. May be they'll become the dominant predators, perhaps they'll take the lion niche (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Lion) in North America. Or may be they'll even become the new whales :D

http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs44/f/2009/100/b/4/b41273f4a553be64f6cd86013629cc79.jpg

Austin
07-14-2011, 06:36 AM
Pretty much. They're causing huge problems on certain isolated islands. They systematically kill the native lizards/birds or whatever who haven't adapted to deal with mammalian predators like cats.

By the way, it would be cool to fast-forward time a few million years and see how domestic cats fully adapt to their new environments. May be they'll become the dominant predators, perhaps they'll take the lion niche (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Lion) in North America. Or may be they'll even become the new whales :D

http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs44/f/2009/100/b/4/b41273f4a553be64f6cd86013629cc79.jpg


Yes there's nothing that can really be done it is sorta sad for the native birds and other small animals. They're all essentially being wiped out. One cat kills something like 1000+ small creatures a year.

This would really upset the hypocritical animal-rights crowd but what should really happen and would be the true animal-rights thing to do would be to literally enforce a mass-cull of all domesticated cats to prevent mass extinction of birds and other species.

HungAryan
07-14-2011, 07:01 AM
If you ask me, Interracial relations are immoral, sinful and unnatural.
What God has separated should not be glued together again by a mere mortal. There is a good reason why God has separated the human species into different sub-species - or as some of you call it, races.
Alright, I know that unlike me, not all of you are Christian, so I'll stop this religious talk and get right into business :D

So, the deal is that interracial relationships produce biracial children that are neither A (the race of the mother) neither B (the race of the father), but something else.
Does Barack Obama look like a White European to you?
Does Barack Obama look like a Black African to you?
To me, he looks like neither one of them. He is a mixed mongrel, who should have never been born in the first place.

A parent who is involved in an interracial relationship is selfish. Why? Because the biracial child will not be accepted by society.
He/she won't be white enough to be accepted by the white community, nor black enough to be accepted by the black community.
Biracial children won't have any heritage to be proud of, they will be forced to face a dilemma of choosing between embracing the mother's culture or father's culture.
Biracial children have health problems and are in very dangerous situation, since it's nearly impossible to find substitute body parts for them if such thing is needed.
Race-mixing equally contributes to the extinction of all races and should be punished.
Many of us Europeans are already mixed - you know, Mongoloid admixture in Scandinavians (thanks to the presence of the Saami in Norway and Sweden) and Russians, Mid Eastern admixture in Spain and Italy... - We shouldn't destroy our purity further, but attempt to preserve it as much as we can.

BeerBaron
07-14-2011, 07:14 AM
Never fails, someone always injects "god" into everything. There should be some sort of law against doing so. Most of the civilized world doesn't even believe in god, yet it shows up all the damn time.

HungAryan
07-14-2011, 07:16 AM
Never fails, someone always injects "god" into everything. There should be some sort of law against doing so. Most of the civilized world doesn't even believe in god, yet it shows up all the damn time.

Speak for yourself only, I do believe in God. And so does the vast majority of other Hungarian nationalists like me.

BeerBaron
07-14-2011, 07:19 AM
Speak for yourself only, I do believe in God. And so does the vast majority of other Hungarian nationalists like me.

I don't need to speak for myself only, I can look up the statistics on nations and include them when i say "most of the civilized world"

Dario Argento
07-14-2011, 07:36 AM
Speak for yourself only, I do believe in God. And so does the vast majority of other Hungarian nationalists like me.

Do you believe in Santa Claus too?

Austin
07-14-2011, 07:37 AM
Speak for yourself only, I do believe in God. And so does the vast majority of other Hungarian nationalists like me.


Better watch out. TA has a lot of atheists and such that aren't always in touch with most nationalist sentiments.

HungAryan
07-14-2011, 07:58 AM
I don't need to speak for myself only, I can look up the statistics on nations and include them when i say "most of the civilized world"

I know. And I don't like that.

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/7371/medievalmagyars.png


Do you believe in Santa Claus too?

Nope.


Better watch out. TA has a lot of atheists and such that aren't always in touch with most nationalist sentiments.

I will watch out then.

Moustache
07-14-2011, 08:26 AM
Do you believe in Santa Claus too?

Do you believe that the smug cynism of the 9 year-old ("there ain't no Santa, idot!") is a lot better than the belief of the 5-year old eager to open his presents, when it will just end in another fight and tears anyway?

BeerBaron
07-14-2011, 09:47 AM
Better watch out. TA has a lot of atheists and such that aren't always in touch with most nationalist sentiments.

Ya because everyone knows you gotta believe in a sky daddy to be in touch with nationalist sentiments. Although since you seem to believe in the extremes, the belief in a sky daddy fits nicely along side your nonsensical jew conspiracy theories and your subsequent, illogical love for arabs.

:confused:

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Murphy
07-14-2011, 10:19 AM
There should be some sort of law against doing so.

This one of your old-school anti-secular Europeans you were talking about earlier Austin :rolleyes2:?

Murphy
07-14-2011, 10:24 AM
Do you believe in Santa Claus too?

Did you just compare belief in God to belief in Santa Claus? You just compared belief in a supreme deity that has been the topic of discussion and debate between the greatest philosophers and theologians of European history going all the way back to ancient Greece.. to Santa Claus?

Aristotle would bitch slap you right now if he could. Even Nietzsche would bitch slap you for such a facetious and trollish reply.

CelticViking
07-14-2011, 10:37 AM
You're just angry that you can't piss standing up like men :D!

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Give me this any day.
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http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12793&page=72

[QUOTE=Murphy;201615]What is wrong with inter-racial relationships? Diversity is a good thing. on't be afraid to colour outside of the lines, after all.
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14937&page=6

Well make sure you don't run into these Asian woman that would chop your dick off.

[QUOTE]In 1987, Hong Kong, a woman Tsui Mei-Ying, age 39, cut off the tip of her husband Lin Yuk-sang's, age 40, penis with a pair of scissors while he was asleep and flushed the penis down the toilet. She was sentenced to four and a half years in

In May 1987, Hong Kong, a 38 year old woman cut off her 42 year old husband's penis and flushed it down the toilet. The man was rushed to a hospital and doctors were unable to save his penis

On December 12, 1988, Singapore, Lee Chwee Lim, age 37, had his penis cut off by his girlfriend's 55 year old mother with scissors after she gave him a soft drink which was spiked. His penis was thrown into a drain in Chinatown and could not be recovered. Lee's penis was completely cut off and he underwent surgery at Singapore General Hospital

On July 19, 1993, a Chinese wife cut off her husband's penis with scissors. The official Heilongjiang Legal News reported that the woman acted July 19 on the advice of a soothsayer who said "if she wanted her marriage to be as good as it was at the beginning, she should wait until her husband is drunk and then use scissors to cut off his penis so he can grow a new one

On November 24, 1993, in Cebu, Philippines, Avelina Rule, a 35 year old Filipino woman, severed the penis of her drunken husband Avelino Rule, with a machete

In January, 1994, Taichung, Taiwan, Chien Liu-liang, age 51, cut off Yao Kuan-jung's penis with scissors, and threw it into the toilet after learning of his affairs. Yao bled to death.

In January, 1994, Turkey, Zeynep Atici got her boyfriend Abdullah Kemal Konak drunk, tied him up, then severed his penis with a bread knife after he threatened to leave her for another woman. The penis was reattached

In May 1994, Hong Kong, China, the wife of Wong Cheong-do, 43, sliced his penis off in a domestic dispute in Hong Kong in May, but doctors were able to sew it back on because Wong had thought to bring it to the hospital

In February 1995, China, Xinyang county of Henan province, a Chinese woman surnamed Zhang cut off her 27 year old husband Hu Changfa's penis while he was sleeping because he was gambling, and then killed herself by drinking pesticide. The news was reported by Tianjin Today Evening News

In February 1996, a woman in southern China, Cheng Meiping, was executed for cutting off her husband's penis and murdering him.[27]

In 1996, March, a Vietnamese woman in Sydney, Australia attempted to cut off her husband's penis with scissors. By the time her husband, Tom Thong Tran, was rushed to the hospital, his penis was hanging by a thread. His wife, Tran Nhu Tran, pleaded guilty to malicious wounding after the prosecution agreed not to pursue a more serious charge of malicious wounding with intent to cause grievous bodily harm. Following her arrest, Ms. Tran was granted bail but ordered not to harass, molest, intimidate or interfere with her husband. She was also ordered not to come within 500 metres of the west Sydney home where the offence took place. At a later hearing, Ms. Tran changed her plea to not guilty, and her husband also told the judge that he has forgiven her and was no longer willing to testify against her

On January 3, 1998, Kampong Cham Province, Cambodia, a 19 year old woman Nuon Sim attempted to cut off the penis of her 22 year old husband Kem Run after becoming enraged at his requests for sex. After arousing him, she attempted to cut his penis in half but did not succeed

On January 13, 1998, in Beijing, China, a 28 year old woman used scissors to cut her husband's penis off. She accused him of philandering and physical abuse

In October 1999, in Cambodia, A jealous woman slashed her cheating husband's throat and chopped up his penis after learning he planned to leave her for a younger woman. The Khmer-language Rasmei Kampuchea newspaper said mother-of-five Pao Eng, 46, "used a big chopper to cut her sleeping husband's throat twice and then chopped off his penis and destroyed it with the chopper". "I wanted to give the chopped penis to the mistress as a warning to stay away from other people's husbands," the report quoted the wife, from the eastern Cambodian province of Kompong Cham, as telling police

On December 24, 2000, the newspaper the The Sun (Hong Kong) reported that in Hong Kong, China, a man aged 45 had his penis bitten during sexual intercourse by his wife, since she suspected infidelity

In Hong Kong, China, Chan Lai-ching, age 46, cut off her 30 year old boyfriend Lai Kwok-fai's foreskin away with the scissors after sexual intercourse, when he told her they were breaking up. She was jailed for two years and nine months

On March 4, 2001 Hong Kong, China Lam Yuk-kam, a 42 year old woman who cut off her 41 year old husband Chu Chi-lik's penis with scissors after drugging him. The penis was reattached and she was freed after pleading guilty

On November 9, 2001, in Hong Kong, China Poon Shuk-yee, age 27, cut off Chan Chi-keung's, aged 35, penis with a paper cutter after he insisted they break up when she refused marriage. She then allegedly requested one last night of passion and while performing a sexual act, on him, she sliced his penis off. Chan's penis was reattached

On November 29, 2001, in Taipei, Taiwan, an enraged Taiwanese woman cut off her husband's penis with a pair of scissors during an argument, prompting the shocked man to rush to a hospital carrying his severed member. The 42-year-old man, surnamed Wang from Taipei County was forced to change hospitals after the first was unable to re-attach the penis

In December 2001, Hong Kong, China, a woman was jailed for four years after cutting off her husband's penis

On May 31, 2002, Haizhu District, China, Liu Ying cut off her husband Zhang's penis with a pair of scissors. She was sentenced to 5 years in prison

On July 10, 2002, Guangdong, China, Mo Mou cut off her husband Lu's penis with scissors then flushed the penis down the toilet. Lu was sexually disabled permanently

On July 22, 2002, Hunan province, China, a 28 year old woman Xie Mouju, born in Yuanling County, Hunan August 27, 1974, drugged her husband Lu Yinchun, then tied him up in bed, and severed his penis with a kitchen knife. He then bled to death

On September 21, 2002, China, Futian, Shenzhen, a 29 year old man surnamed He had his penis cut off by his wife Jiang Haiyun with a fruit knife. She drugged his water and fled for over 12 hours before returning the penis. The penis suffered from necrosis, and was blackened from root to tip, so it could not be re attached. She had learned from her cousin, who attempted to cut off her husband's penis with scissors, only for it to be re attached, that it had to be completely separated for a long period of time to prevent re attachment. The operation was unsuccessful. The couple were from Shaoyang, Hunan

In 2003, in Phnom Penh, Cambodia a popular karaoke performer was hospitalized after his jealous wife tried, but failed, to cut off his penis while he slept Wednesday, Phnom Penh police said. Kan Bun Hou, 26, was asleep when his wife, Ma Len, attacked him with a razor blade, said Touch Sarin, a Phnom Penh police chief. Police were looking for the woman, who fled after the attack

In 2003, China, Wuxi in Jiangsu province a man had his penis cut off by his wife

On February 12, 2003, China, Liu Yeqing(pseudonym) cut off her 30 year old boyfriend Chun Xiong's penis with a fruit knife. It was reattched at a hospital

In April, 2003, in Shihlin, Taipei, Taiwan, a Filipino woman, Virginia Chun, aged 46, cut off the penis of her husband, surnamed Tsai, on a Tuesday while Tsai was asleep in their house. After flushing his penis down the toilet, she fled back to the Philippines to return home. Tsai was sent to the hospital by their 17 year old son where doctors stitched up the wound. Hung Cheng-sheng, the surgeon who treated Tsai, reported that Tsai was in stable condition. "But he is traumatized because only 2.5 centimetres of his penis is left and he won't be able to have sex again,"

In May, 2003, A doctor in central Vietnam had half his penis cut off by a jealous girlfriend

On May 4, 2003, Guangzhou, China Zhang cut off her lover Lai's penis with a knife and placed it into a pot of boiling water

On Jun 9, 2003, in Fuzhou, Fujian, China, Chen cut off her boyfriend's penis with a pair of scissors and threw it in the trash. The penis was reattached

On July 2, 2003, in Shanghai, China, a woman Liu Li bit her 27 year old boyfriend Wang Lin's penis, completely severing the Corpus cavernosum penis, leaving a small bit of skin. She brought him to the hospital with his pants stained with blood

On July 11, 2003, in Dongfang, Hainan, China, a woman used a fruit knife to cut off the penis of her 40 year old husband Huang.[64]
On August 14, 2003, Guangzhou, China, a woman cut off the penis of her 52 year old husband. The penis was reattached.[65]
On August 30, 2003, in Zhangjiagang, China, a woman surnamed Yin from Henan cut off her 30 year old husband Jiang Chen's penis with scissors. He was also from Henan

On November 4, 2003, Nguyen Thi Thu H, 31, said she took a pair of scissors to her husband's genitalia and decided to hack off her 38-year-old husband's penis while he lay in a drunken stupor in bed.


On September 17, 2003, Nanjing, China, a 44 year old woman cut off her husband's penis with a pair of scissors

On December 18, 2003, China, a public hearing was held against a woman called Yang who cut off her husband's penis

In March 2004 in Vietnam, A 17-year-old schoolboy helped his mother slice off his father's penis after she accused her husband of being unfaithful

On May 24, 2004, Yunan County, China, a woman cut off her 30 year old husband Zhang's penis

On July 26, 2004, China, Gaochun, Jiangsu province, a man named Li had his penis cut off by his wife with a pair of scissors, she then threw the penis into a soybean field. Li bled and fainted. The penis was lost

In September, 8 2004, in China, Chengdu city in Sichuan province, a Chinese woman cut off her boyfriend Wang's penis during a dispute

On October 9, 2004, Kandal province Cambodia, A Cambodian woman Tuy Narin, 35, stabbed her husband 37-year-old Chhun Saran in the penis with a knife

On Oct 18 2004, Bangkok, Thailand, Sornlam Yotbanya (24) had a heated argument with his wife, Rungnapha Pongalee (32), on Sunday night about his mistress. He went to bed and was rudely awoken hours later when his wife sliced off his member, reported ITV.

2005-2010
On January 29, 2005, in China, a woman, A Ju, cut off her husband A Qing's penis with a pair of scissors and then flushed it down the toilet. The penis was not re attached.[80]
In February 2005, police arrested Anchorage woman Kim Tran for a knife attack which occurred during an argument involving a 44-year-old man that wanted out of their relationship. The penis was retrieved from a toilet where the woman had flushed it down, and it was successfully re-united with its owner.[81]
On April 10, 2005, China, a 37 year old woman cut off the penis of her husband Lu Ping with scissors.[82]
On June 11, 2005, Sichuan province, China, 43 year old Tang Hongying, born in Luojiang County, Deyang, stabbed her lover Lan in the leg, and cut off his penis when he tried to escape with a knife. She threw the penis into the garbage. He died of his injuries. Tang was sentenced to life in prison.[83]
On June 30, 2005, Fuqing, China, a 31 year old woman Mou Mou cut off her husband Yu Yang's penis with a kitchen knife. Over 12 hours passed before the penis was found, so no reattachment occurred.[84]
On July 15, 2005, in China, a 30 year old man had his penis cut off by his wife. The penis was reattached.[85]
On July 21, 2005, Zhenjiang, China, 41 year old Yang Xuemei cut off her 44 year old husband Gu Ming's penis and then flushing it into the toilet, aftet knocking his teeth out and blinding him. The couple had a 15 year old daughter.[86][87]
On July 27, 2005, Hangzhou, China, a woman cut off her 27 year old boyfriend's penis with a razor blade.[88]
On September 20, 2005, the first successful penis transplant was begun in a military hospital in Guangzhou, China. A 44-year-old man had sustained an injury that severed his penis in an accident. Despite atrophy of blood vessels and nerves after a protracted period of time had elapsed, the arteries, veins, nerves and the Corpus spongiosum penis were successfully matched. After seven hours' surgery, the penis regained its function and even managed to attain erection. The extent to which the penis' function was restored and occurrence of rejection or infection remain to be seen.[89]
In 2005, A Thai woman cut off her husband's penis after he asked her to make love one more time before he left her for another woman. Saithong Wantha, 53, then asked neighbours to take Udom Phorit, 35, to hospital while she turned herself in to police, reports The Nation. Neighbours got hold of Udom's sister, Boonsong Ansanghan, but they could not find the severed organ. They had to call Saithong on her mobile phone. She told them she had tossed it behind the fence in the front yard. Nearly two hours went by before surgeons at Khon Kaen University's Srinakharin Hospital could operate. Finally, they reattached Udom's penis, but said there was only a 50-50 chance it would function properly.[90]
In January 2006, Kampong Cham province, Cambodia, a Cambodian man Khay Kaing, 40 received 25 stitches to his penis after his wife attempted to sever the organ with scissors after a domestic dispute. An argument ensued and he allegedly slapped his wife. As the man got into bed his wife came at him with the scissors and attempted to cut off his penis, the newspaper reported, not detailing whether she succeeded.[91]
In 2006 in Taiwan, a Kaohsiung County woman bludgeoned her husband and cut off his penis on June 11, 2006, according to local media reports. The 62 year-old woman, surnamed Pan (潘), struck her husband, surnamed Li (李), with a pick as he sat on their couch passed out from a bout of drinking, the Liberty Times reported. Li was reportedly unconscious when Pan then sliced off his penis with a razor blade and flushed the organ down the toilet. Li later died at a hospital from severe head injuries, and Pan is in police custody. Pan claimed that she had suffered years of physical abuse at the hands of her husband, who she also suspected of having an affair.[92]
On May 21, 2006, in Luzhou, Sichuan, China, Huang cut off her husband Shi Mou's penis, he then died in the hospital.[93]
On June 12, 2006, Hong Kong, China, a domestic helper sliced around the cirumference of a 5 month old boy's penis. The child was had emergency surgery to its penis in order to stop the bleeding from it and to repair the damage.[94]
On July 19, 2006, in Shenyang, China, a man cut off his own penis after an argument with his wife.[95][96]
On August 5, 2006, China, a woman cut off her ex husband's penis.[97]
On September 2, 2006, in Shanghai, China, a man surnamed Lin from Sichuan, 43 years old, had his penis burnt by radiation treatment at a hospital. the dead tissue was removed, and he was left with a 1 cm stump. He was told he had prostate cancer, it was found that he did not have it after his penis was treated with radiation. It was reported he was unable to have sexual relations with his wife after this, and he received 729,000 yuan (US$91,600).[98]
On September 16, 2006, Shifang, Deyang, China, a woman Yefang (a pseudonym) cut off her 35 year old husband Wei Jian's penis with a knife, then committed suicide by drinking pesticide. The penis was not reattached, the couple had a daughter.[99]
On October 2, 2006, in Harbin, China a woman cut off the penis of her boyfriend 24 year old Hu Mou. The penis was reattached.[100]
On October 6, 2006 Nanjing, China Li Gengbao's penis was cut off by his wife Yao Fengfang because she believed he was cheating on her. After hearing Li Gengbao plead for his penis back, the wife threw it out the window where the neighbor's dog ate it. The wife was given a three-year suspended sentence after her husband asked the judge to be lenient.[101][102][103][104]
On November 16, 2006,in Yangzhou, China, Zhou had his penis cut off by his ex wife when he refused to remarry her. He lost sexual function in the penis. Video of Zhou and Ex wife who severed his penis[105]
In March 2007, in Ipoh, Malaysia, two one month old twin boys had their penises and testicles cut off by their 4 year old sister with a pair of scissors. The penises were cut off at the root. The penises and testicle were re attached except for one testes that could not be found.[106]
On August 2, 2007, in Ca Mau province of Vietnam a woman used a 20 cm knife to cut off the penis of her husband BT Hai, 44, and throw it in a ditch near the house. The hospital could not reattach the penis.[102][107]
On April 22, 2007, a man cut off his penis with a knife in a packed London restaurant.[108]
On April 10, 2007, in Tanglang New Village, Xili Nanshan District, Shenzhen, China, a 24 year old woman Wang, from Xinyang, Henan province, used scissors to completely sever the penis of her boyfriend, surnamed Yi who was from Hunan, after tying him up. Yi was around 20 years old and was treated at Xili People's Hospital. She flushed the penis down the toilet, which leaked blood into the downstairs apartment. The couple had one daughter born in 2002. Since the penis could not be found, there was no reattachment operation. He was tightly bound with ropes, and she completely severed his penis at the roots. She did it because she found pictures of other girls on his cellphone. Yi had surgery to restore urination, but with his penis cut off, he was permanently sexually disabled and can no longer have children. Wang was given a light punishment of 5 years in prison.[109][110][111]
On July 13, 2007, it was reported that in Kupang, Indonesia, a 22 year old woman, Erlin Mafefa severed the penis of her 23 year old boyfriend Markus Hunbani, since she suspected infidelity. She ran away with the penis, and what happened to it was unknown. She was then arrested and Markus reached a hospital four days later, described as "well, but baffled"[112][113]
In October, 2007, China, Wang Youxiang's penis was completely cut off by his wife. IT was reattached at a hospital.[114]
On January 17, 2008, in Jinshui District, Zhengzhou city, Henan province, China, a woman bound her husband's hand and feet with nylon rope while he slept, using scissors to cut off his penis at the root. He begged her to untie him and take him to the hospital.[115]
On February 22, 2008, Lijiang, Yunnan province China, Ye Moumou cut off her boyfriend Zhang's penis with a fruit knife.[116]
On March 11, 2008, Mouyu of Zhangzhou City, China, chopped off her husband's penis while he slept. Her husband Peng Wang confessed to her that he was having sexual intercourse with other women after Mouyu discovered text messages on his cell phone. After her husband fell asleep that night, Mouyu took a kitchen knife and sliced off her husband's penis. Afterwards, she gave the severed penis to their 6 year old son as a warning of being unfaithful.[117]
On April 24, 2008, a Pakistani woman in Lahore, Pakistan, chopped off her lover's penis after he wedded his cousin in a marriage arranged by his parents, The man, 24-year-old Muhammad Shehzad, began a relationship with a 30-year-old married woman named Jamila after they met at a zoo in the eastern city of Lahore two years ago, police officer Asghar Bhatti said. "Shehzad had promised he would marry Jamila if she got a divorce from her husband, but he married his cousin two weeks ago," Bhatti said, adding that this "infuriated her and she decided to take revenge. She invited him to her house last Wednesday and after serving some intoxicant cut off his sexual organ." Police arrested the woman and she remains in custody, Bhatti said. Doctor Sanaullah, who treated Shehzad at Lahore General Hospital, said they have been unable to reattach the penis. "He has become impotent for the rest of his life and will be unable to perform his conjugal duties. He can never become a father," the doctor said. She got out on March 12, 2009[118][119]
In April 2008, in Pasig in the Philippines, a woman cut off 32 year old Joelito Bayabado's penis due to suspected infidelity. It was later reattached.[26]
Adelaide, South Australia. In 2008 Ragini Narayan set first to her husband's penis (Satish Narayan) as she had discovered that he was having an affair. Narayan did not intend to kill her husband, she only wanted to scar his penis so that no other woman would want it. Murder charges against Ragini Narayan have been dropped and she is currently facing manslaughter charges.
On May 22, 2008, in Guangxi, China, a woman cut off her husband's penis with a knife. They were married with a son and a daughter.[120]
On July 14, 2008, Yueqing, Zhejiang province in China, Lin Zi's wife severed his penis with a knife, and surrendered the police two hours later. A bloody knife was found in the refrigerator, and a trail of blood led to the toilet, leading police to conclude that the penis was flushed down the toilet. Lin was 36 years old. Most of the penis was severed, leaving only the scrotum.[121][122]
On July 21, 2008, in Nanjing, China, it was reported that several wives cut off their husband's penis because they could not stand that their husbands were gambling or cheating on them. These are classified as a "crime of impulsion" by prosecutors in Nanjing, because the women go through an "emotional crisis". Most of these female criminals were younger than 35, and receive only a suspended sentence or one below three years, and are sent back home.[123]
On July 22, 2008, in Zhengzhou, China, a Chinese woman, An Hua, cut off her husband Zhang Yang's penis with scissors. When she learned that zhang had an affair, she gave hima yoghurt drink laced with sleeping pills, and tied his hands and feet to the bed before cutting off his penis. She was sentenced to 10 years in prison.[124]
September 2, 2008 in China, Wang Hui, 28 years old, had his penis severed by his wife after she gave him a drink of wine. They were married for 5 years, with a 5 year old daughter.[125]
On October 8, 2008, in Zhanjiang, Guangdong province, China, a 25 year old woman, Huang, cut off her 29 year old boyfriend Luo's penis with a fruit knife after sexual intercourse, since he admitted to sleeping with other girlfriends. She threw the penis into a sugarcane field.[126]
On October 20, 2008, in China, a 7 year old boy, Xiao Yang had his penis partially cut by a woman.[127]
October 20, 2008, A 12 year old boy was admitted to a Chengdu hospital with head injuries and a severed penis earlier that year.[128][129]
On November 15, 2008, in China, Guangdong province, a 30 year old woman, Ruan Roudan cut off the penis of a 4 year old Chinese boy, surnamed Xiao. Ruan did it because Xiao's father, Xiao Ming had fired her from her job, and kicked her out after having an affair with her, and she wanted him to die without an heir. Xiao bled until his penis was re attached at the Guangdong Provincial People's Hospital. Whether it would affect future sexual functions is unknown. Ruan was from Guangyuan in Sichuan province.[130][131][132]
In 2009, A 68 year old mentally unsound man had difficulty passing urine, so he cut off his penis, Nanyang Siang Pau and China Press reported. The man only identified as Yap, later underwent a corrective surgery after family members rushed him to the hospital in Ipoh. The doctors could not re-attach the severed part. He was in stable condition although he continued to have fever.[133]
On February 6, 2009, in China, Dongguan, Guangdong province, Xie Lin had sex with her husband Lin, then cut off his entire penis with scissors. He was sent to Dongguan People's Hospital, and the penis was not re attached. He is forced to squat when urinating , and suffered from pain, urethral contraction, and itchiness. He and his wife had 3 children.[134][135]
On April 13, 2009, Huangjiang, Dongguan, China, a 39 year old man, A Zhi, had his penis cut off by his girlfriend Yang Mou, who was 6 years older than he was. They had been together for 6 months. She had told him before "If you are a playboy, I will cut you." The penis was reattached at the hospital.[136]
On April 18, 2009, in Yunnan, China a 42 year old woman Lin severed the penis of a 58 year old man Wang Dayou.[137][138]
On May 2009, in Singapore, A secretary accidentally bit off the penis of her employer while giving him oral sex in a car. On reaching the park, they did not alight from the car. Not long after, the car started to shake violently. After the car was hit by the van, there was a loud scream from the woman whose mouth was covered with blood,' he said. The woman later followed her lover to the hospital with part of the sexual organ.[139]
In May, 2009, Russia, a woman Kira V. attached firecrackers to her boyfriend Alik D's penis after he turned down her offer of marriage after being together for 2 years, saying he would rather return to his ex wife and son. Kira convinced him to stay for a farewell dinner. The two dined together and got to drinking heavily. Alik finally passed out from drinking excessively. After Kira blew up his penis, he was rushed to intensive care in the hospital.[140]
On July 13, 2009, A woman in Yueqing (Leqing), Zhejiang province, China, named Hu used a kitchen knife to slice the penis off her husband Nan while he was asleep, after a fight over his infidelity, she gave herself up to police. She threw away the penis, cleaned the knife, and after wrapping it in plastic bags, placed it into the refrigerator. She then called her lawyers, then left their daughter more than 94,000 yuan. Their daughter was 7 years old. Hu had a history of mental illness, according to their family. The penis could not be found, and Nan had surgery to urinate successfully, but failed to reconstruct the penis. She was sentenced to 13 years in jail, and ordered to pay her husband 168975.9 yuan in October.[141]
In 2009, in Guangzhou, China, Mrs. Xie cut off her husbands penis after he brought his mistress home and made love in front of her. Angrily, Mrs. Xie waited until her husband had fallen asleep and snipped his penis off while he was sleeping. She 10 years of prison for her crime.[142]
On August 10, 2009, in Shenzhen, China, 27 year old Yang Xiaomei cut off her husband Tang Mouzhong's penis with a fruit knife. She suspected he had an affair, and drugged his red bull drink. She then took off his shorts, and tied his hands and feet with plastic wire on bed, and tied a blue cord around his neck. Yang then sealed Tang's mouth and nose with white tape. She then sliced his penis off, and strangled him to death. Yang then fled the scene and threw Tang's penis into a ditch by the road. She plead guilty in court. Yang and Tang had 2 children, aged 6 and 2. Yang hoped her in laws would raise 30,000 yuan for the children.[143]* On August 16, 2009, in Nanjing, China, Li Li cut off her husband Zhang Min's penis with a pair of scissors. They were married over 20 years with a 20 year old daughter. Zhang was sent to the Provincial People's Hospital for treatment to reattach the penis.[144]
On August 22, 2009, Wuchang, China, Liu Shifu's penis was cut off by his wife. He was taken to the hospital in time to have it reattached. Liu was 47 years old.[145][146]
On October 9, 2009, A woman severed her husband's penis during his sleep with a pair of scissors about 3 am in their apartment in Shanghai, China on Sanmenzhi Road in Hongkou District. The woman suspected that her 34-year-old husband surnamed Lu was having an affair. He was sent to nearby Changhai Hospital by his wife's sister. His penis was stitched up. The couple came from Guizhou Province and the wife was said to have some mental problems, according to her mother.[147]
On November 1, 2009, in Yiwu, Zhejiang, China, a 30 year old man, known by the pseudonym A Song, had his penis cut off by his 30 year old extramarital girlfriend with scissors. He had a wife and daughter, and his girlfriend also had a family. His penis was reattached at a hospital.[148]
In 2009, Trabzon, Turkey a 39 year old Turkish woman cut off the penis off her 28 year old lover and threw it on the roof of a neighboring building. Surgeons worked for 11 hours to re-attach the penis in an operation which they described as successful, and said full sexual function should return within six months. She claimed she did it because he "had broken his promise to marry her and forced her into prostitution and beat her".[149]
On January , 2010, in Luohu District, Shenzhen, China, a woman from Hunan, surnamed Huang, poured sulfuric acid over the penis of her boyfriend Chen who was from Henan. She was 47 years old, born in 1963, her boyfriend was 29, 18 years younger than her.[150][151][152]
On May 9, 2010, in Kaifeng, China, a 38 year old woman named Zhang cut off her husband Lee's penis. They had a 9 year old son.[153]
On May 30, 2010, Wenzhou, China, a 35 year old man, Wei had his penis cut off with scissors by his wife. It was reattached.[154]
On August 23, 2010, in Ho Chi Minh City Vietnam, a man had his penis reattached after his wife cut it off with a fruit knife.[155]
On September 10, 2010, in Yuelu District, Hunan, China, a 41 year old woman, Wang stunned her husband Li with a broom and then used a pair of scissors to sever his penis, after which he passed out. She suspected him of having an affair She then called emergency and Li was brought to the hospital. She was then arrested.[156]
On September 11, 2010, it was reported by Robert Fisk that five years previously in Palestine, a Palestinian woman cut off the penis of her husband after drugging his tea, since he used her money to buy a second wife. He died of the injury and she was jailed


On January 2, 2011, in Xi'an, China, a woman named Liu Nuo cut off the penis of her husband Dong Feng with a knife. She was then arrested.[158]
On February 9, 2011, in Ruse St, North Ryde, Sydney, Australia, a Chinese man named Xian Peng, aged 48 was served soup mixed with sleep inducing drugs by his Chinese Australian ex girlfriend Chen Jian, aged 47, who then tied his hands and feet after he fell asleep, pinned him on a couch, slicing his penis off and stabbing him. He bled to death at Royal North Shore Hospital. They had a son together and Chen also had another son from a first marriage. She was detained by the police and is expected to face murder charges
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http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/07/woman-accused-of-cutting-off-husbands-penis-held-on-1-million-bail.html


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Grumpy Cat
07-14-2011, 11:42 AM
This thread has become totally gay. I'm sorry, the level of immaturity on this forum in recent months astounds me.

Laudanum
07-14-2011, 11:43 AM
This thread has become totally gay. I'm sorry, the level of immaturity on this forum in recent months astounds me.

Actually I thought this thread was rather interesting when it started. I wanted to know what people really thought about this.

Once again,

Thank you for ruining this thread, Austin and CelticViking.

Wyn
07-14-2011, 11:45 AM
This thread has become totally gay. I'm sorry, the level of immaturity on this forum in recent months astounds me.

We salvaged it briefly. :p

But, aye.

Grumpy Cat
07-14-2011, 11:45 AM
Actually I thought this thread was rather interesting when it started. I wanted to know what people really thought about this.

Once again,

Thank you for ruining this thread, Austin and CelticViking.

It was interesting when it started, but then the people who can't disagree with people in a civilized manner showed up. And I love how one of them still makes cloaked passive-aggressive insults at me even though I've pretty much stopped dealing with their sorry ass months ago.

Grumpy Cat
07-14-2011, 11:46 AM
We salvaged it briefly. :p

But, aye.

Where?

Bridie
07-14-2011, 11:48 AM
This thread has become totally gay. I'm sorry, the level of immaturity on this forum in recent months astounds me.What do you mean "has become" totally gay? :icon_neutral:

We should start a poll... was this thread gay from the start? Or did take a while to develop its homosexual tendencies?

Murphy
07-14-2011, 11:50 AM
What do you mean "has become" totally gay? :icon_neutral:

We should start a poll... was this thread gay from the start? Or did take a while to evolve its homosexual tendencies?

It's the whole debate of nature vs nurture again :D! Was the thread predestined to its homosexual tendencies? Or did Austin's involvement in raising this thread have adverse effects on it?

CelticViking
07-14-2011, 11:51 AM
Why do non-Europeans always want to be European?:D

You might have European ancestry, but you live in New Zealand. That makes you non-European.:)

So an Arab born in England is English and Abraham Lincoln is not?
A Black lady born is Ireland is Irish and Hayley Westenra is not?
African Americans should be called Americans?
White Africans should be called Africans?
New Zealand Europeans should be push aside and called no bodies and race mix with everyone else because there is only one race the human race, we are all the same and we should love each other?
Interracial relationships are the best?
Multiculturalism is cool?
And there is no point at having a websites like this because it is racist and preservation of your heritage is for racist only?
Everyone hold hands and be friends?

Wyn
07-14-2011, 11:51 AM
Where?

I think you'll find I made a good three posts in this thread (one of them was early on) before the one you just quoted.

Yours weren't up to much, but I was a temporary shining beacon of light in a sea of angry back-and-forths. :cool: ;)

I jest, of course. :P The level of immaturity, generally, has become noticeable though.

Laudanum
07-14-2011, 11:52 AM
It's the whole debate of nature vs nurture again :D! Was the thread predestined to its homosexual tendencies? Or did Austin's involvement in raising this thread have adverse effects on it?

This thread became gay from the moment CelticViking posted here. It became totally gay from the moment Austin started posting as well.

Bridie
07-14-2011, 11:55 AM
It's the whole debate of nature vs nurture again :D! Was the thread predestined to its homosexual tendencies? Or did Austin's involvement in raising this thread have adverse effects on it?
Sound and very scientifically minded question there, Paddy. :sherlock:

I think that after reviewing the relevant material, the reasonable conclusion would have to be that Austin, among others, has totally fucked the thread. This, of course, has led to all manner of psychological problems, of which sexual perversions are perhaps the least concerning. :richter: