Most racially pure Slavic ethnic group?

[poiuytrewq0987]

Which ethnic group do you think is the most Slavic and racially pure?

[Mordid]

Belarusians and secondly is Poles. Now, close this thread!

[Pallantides]

http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/1418/admixturebelorussian12.png
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/7697/admixturepolishd12.png
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/8162/admixturerussian12.pnghttp://img708.imageshack.us/img708/4587/admixturerussiand12.png
http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/4437/admixtureslovenian12.png
http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/4533/admixturebalkansd12.png

[beaver]

Which ethnic group do you think is the most Slavic and racially pure?
"The most Slavic" - Poles. "racially pure" - is a strange point.

Now, close this thread!
Agreed.

[Frederick]

I add some "Dodecad Oracle" suggestions, Slavic nations compared to "Mixed Slav".

Mixed Slav are people of mixed (but completely Slavonic speaking anchestry) Like Russian/Polish, Serbian mixes and the like.

Poles = 97.5% identical with "Mixed Slav" + 2.5% of any western European nation.

Slovenians want to be 42% of those "Mixes Slavs" mixed by 58% Western Europeans.

Russians claim 72% "Mixed Slavs" together with 28% Lithuanians

Belorussian 47% "Mixed Slav" and 53% Lithuanian.

The "Balkans" (various people of Southslavic speaking countries, amoung them Bulgars, Serbs, Croats) come out as 20% "mixed Slav" with 80% Romanian. Since Romanians could be Slavic admixed themselfs I look for Alternatives and found... they could be 50/50 mixed Slav and Greek... or 60% mixed Slav with 40% Italian.

Whatever, it suggests them to be heavily Mediteranid mixed Slavs.

So, the prize goes to Poles.
BUT.... the question is.... how good are these "Mixed Slav" as Proxy for "Slavic"?

It claims that the "Mixed Slav" are best described as: 10.7% Chuvashs + 89.3% Polish. I bet a lot of this group are actually part Polish.

[Osweo]

For most complete and unadulterated inheritance from the proto-Slavs, I'd say look in Slovakia. Too much Germanic, Baltic and even Iranic in Poles, compared to Slovaks, I'd say. Anything to the west has Germanic and even Celtic in it, anything south is full of Palaeo-Balkan, and the east has all sorts of Finnic, Ugric, Iranic, Baltic, Asiatic, you name it.

Unless anyone can state good evidence for non-Slavonic admixture in Slovaks, I stand by my choice. :p

[Sturmgewehr]

Ukrainians.

[beaver]

Too much Germanic, Baltic and even Iranic in Poles
Yeah, but Slavs appeared just on the intersection of Balts and North-Iranians (meaning Scythians, Sarmatians etc). Btw, some noble Polish families derive themselves from Sarmatians (if I'm wrong, let the Polish comrades correct me). And, finally, Poland is max close to the so-called "area of ​​Slavic antiquities".

[Sikeliot]

Belarusians or Russians maybe?

Definitely not anyone in the Balkans.

[Mordid]

Belarusians or Russians maybe?

Definitely not anyone in the Balkans.

You have got to be kidding me, right ?

[Mordid]

For most complete and unadulterated inheritance from the proto-Slavs, I'd say look in Slovakia. Too much Germanic, Baltic and even Iranic in Poles, compared to Slovaks, I'd say. Anything to the west has Germanic and even Celtic in it, anything south is full of Palaeo-Balkan, and the east has all sorts of Finnic, Ugric, Iranic, Baltic, Asiatic, you name it.

Unless anyone can state good evidence for non-Slavonic admixture in Slovaks, I stand by my choice. :p

By Agrippa

The elements which dominate in Slovaks today were not common in ancient Slavs, Eastalpinid and Dinarid I mean.

The Slovaks have some nice looking people and even Eastalpinids can be more progressive, you also find a lot of Nordid, Osteuropid and Pontid variants, which come much closer to the ancient Slavs, but still they are typologically not that close to the ancient Slavs.

[Nurzat]

northwest ukraine, east poland, south belarus - the slavic core

[Mordid]

Please, define the pure Slavic, Apot.

[Osweo]

By Agrippa

The elements which dominate in Slovaks today were not common in ancient Slavs, Eastalpinid and Dinarid I mean.

The Slovaks have some nice looking people and even Eastalpinids can be more progressive, you also find a lot of Nordid, Osteuropid and Pontid variants, which come much closer to the ancient Slavs, but still they are typologically not that close to the ancient Slavs.

Demonstrate to me that the physical varieties not seen in the Slavic ancestors are present among Slovaks as a result of foreign admixture.

Otherwise, I am forced to conclude that, if Agrippa is correct, the physical types and frequencies have changed as a result of internal processes. Selection has been at work on all of us for centuries. Even without foreign admixture, we will change.

As I understand it, Pannonians, Celts and so on were followed by Germanics in the Slovakian Carpathians. The disruptions of the Age of Migrations saw the Slavs move in in force, and the Germanics largely rush off in search of adventure in the falling Empire. I can't see Magyars and Avars and so on making much genetic impact on the mountain dwellers, so here we have 'pure' descendants of the original Slavonic colonists, no?

[Basil]

Eastern Poles, Belarusians, Central Russians, North-Western Ukrainians (Volyn).
The peaks of R1a1a concentration in Europe clearly reflect Slavicness.

http://gentis.ru/img/y/M198.gif

[beaver]

Poles beat all just by the definition. Otherwise one has to come up with some other history of the Slavs.

[safinator]

Polish and Belarussian people.

[Äike]

Ukrainians.

[Äike]

Eastern Poles, Belarusians, Central Russians, North-Western Ukrainians (Volyn).
The peaks of R1a1a concentration in Europe clearly reflect Slavicness.

http://gentis.ru/img/y/M198.gif

Mind you that every 3rd Norwegian male is R1a1a, but the Slavs have never been to Scandinavia.

R1a1a in Northern-Europe has more to do with the initial Corded Ware expansion, when the Balto-Slavs didn't exist yet. The 2nd R1a1a expansion from the Slavic homeland didn't affect Northern-Europe, it more affected Central- and Eastern-Europe.

[Basil]

Mind you that every 3rd Norwegian male is R1a1a, but the Slavs have never been to Scandinavia.

R1a1a in Northern-Europe has more to do with the initial Corded Ware expansion, when the Balto-Slavs didn't exist yet. The 2nd R1a1a expansion from the Slavic homeland didn't affect Northern-Europe, it more affected Central- and Eastern-Europe.

The peaks (50-60 + %) correlate with Slavs. I think one day geneticists will be able to go further and separate common Indo-European R1a1a from more recent and specific Slavic one, but it's still valid to make some conclusions and generalisations about Slavicness based on current knowledge.

[W. R.]

Belarusians and secondly is Poles.
http://www.myfacewhen.net/uploads/75-blushing-.png

[d3cimat3d]

Poles have some Germanic ancestry.
Slovaks have some Vlach, Celtic Boii and Germanic ancestry.
Ukrainians have some obvious Tatar ancestry.
Russians have Finno-Ugric and Swedish ancestry.

Belarusians are the purest Slavs.

[Frederick]

This R1a1 subclade is possibly better than R1a1 as awhole. At least if it comes to Western Slavs:
the Y-Chromosom mutation M458

http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v18/n4/images/ejhg2009194f2.jpg

50% of the R1a1 of Czechia and Slovakia belong to it and 60% of the R1a1 of Southern Poland.

Also 50% of the R1a1 of Southern Germany (R1a1 level there is 10%)
While only 10% of the R1a1 of northern Germany belong to that clade (R1a1 level of Northern Germany is 20%)

Then, there are these Y-DNA STR cluster maps:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/TNLyVNbffHI/AAAAAAAAC0E/vsEQYTTobHQ/s1600/Ystrclusters.png

And then, this map here reflects distribution of Eastern European autosomal DNA into rest-Europe:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=12050&d=1309955735

Unfortunately this maps does not have Ukrainians, Slovakians, Czechians....
And another thing is, the Eastern European autosomal DNA has no Date stamp on it.

With other words, some of these autosomal mutations could have spread with the Corded Ware wave aswell as with the Slavs (and is likely if you check the Eastern European aDNA in Scandinavia, wich was outside of a Slavic colonisation)

[d3cimat3d]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/TNLyVNbffHI/AAAAAAAAC0E/vsEQYTTobHQ/s1600/Ystrclusters.png


First time I'm seeing this one. How exactly do you interpret that, what do all the colors represent? Looks like southern Slavs came from north of Moldova and brought I2 with them.

[Osweo]

First time I'm seeing this one. How exactly do you interpret that, what do all the colors represent? Looks like southern Slavs came from north of Moldova and brought I2 with them.

Or it might be influenced by the formerly wider distribution of Rumanians beyond the Dnestr... Augmented by Bulgar, Slav, Greek and other Balkan refugees into Russia's newly conquered lands... perhaps even obscure movements of Slavs from Dacia into the Ukraine in some of the lesser known parts of mediaeval history... Or movements of Dacians northward in much earlier times (aren't there some 'Dechyane' all the way as far as Vilnius?)... Or who knows? :p

Anyway, why do you say there's some Vlach in the Slovaks? Is there any particular historical time you had in mind for that? I know there's influence from a Vlach quarter in the Hutsuls, but is it in the Lemko, Rusyny, and Bojko too?

I'm doubtful about much being left of the Boii in Bohemia, though.

[Logan]

For most complete and unadulterated inheritance from the proto-Slavs, I'd say look in Slovakia. Too much Germanic, Baltic and even Iranic in Poles, compared to Slovaks, I'd say. Anything to the west has Germanic and even Celtic in it, anything south is full of Palaeo-Balkan, and the east has all sorts of Finnic, Ugric, Iranic, Baltic, Asiatic, you name it.

Unless anyone can state good evidence for non-Slavonic admixture in Slovaks, I stand by my choice. :p

Quite logical but:

Slovakia 42% R1a. 23% R1b

Poland: 55% R1a 16% R1b

Russia 46% R1a 6% R1b

http://www.beautiful-russian-women-dating.com/images/3831.jpg


Seems the Russians win through on numbers. I would have thought it might be Mordy's Polish as they invented Vodka.

[Frederick]

But then again, R1a doesnt automaticaly mean Slavic.
The "Polish" clade of R1a is 9000 years old.

But (added the M458 frequency):

Slovakia 42% R1a (20% M458) 23% R1b
Czechia: 34% R1a (17% M458), 22% R1b

Poland: 55% R1a (33% M458) 16% R1b

Russia 46% R1a (5% M458) 6% R1b


it seems "the Slavs" are not a single people. Because Russian and Polish Y-DNA split 9000 years ago but, so the "common knowlegde" goes, the "Slavs" left NorthWest Ukraine only 1500 years ago and pushed Northwest, West and Southwest (dont know of there are literate eyewitnesses for Eastward expansion)

With Russian/Ukrainian R1a beeing totaly incompatible to Polish, Czech and Slovakian R1a, after having 8000 years of time to soak itself into a hypothetical "Proto_Slav people" it leaves the Question, if "Slavs" (in general) exist on a genetical stange.

It rather seems that Westslavs and Eastslavs are two seperate ethnicies for up to 9000 years.

[d3cimat3d]

Or it might be influenced by the formerly wider distribution of Rumanians beyond the Dnestr...


Right, or the Cucuteni-Tryptillian culture which extended into western Ukraine.



Anyway, why do you say there's some Vlach in the Slovaks?


Well, there are some Vlache names in Slovakia, like:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spi%C5%A1sk%C3%A9_Vlachy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moravian_Wallachia



I'm doubtful about much being left of the Boii in Bohemia, though.

The etymology of Bohemia literally means Boii-heim (Boii-home). I think that's a big enough clue in itself. You are right though, most of the Boii vacated Bohemia but I still think their must be at least some trace of them in Czechs. Some probably stayed behind and lingered around in the forests away from Roman scribblers.

[Osweo]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moravian_Wallachia


A remarkable aspect of Vlachs found everywhere along the western Carpathian Mountains is that the traditional Romanian culture remained the same despite the evolution in language, especially the traditions regarding sheepherding and rural architecture, essentially identical along the entire belt of the Carpathian Mountains from Moravia to Romania and then along the adjacent mountains into Serbia and Bulgaria. As with those aspects of language associated with animal husbandry, this cultural aspect of the Vlachs likely did not change because there was no competing culture. Although animal husbandry was long associated with agriculture practiced in the lowlands adjacent to the Western Carpathians, the Vlach methods and associated rituals of sheep and goat tending were unique and newly introduced by them, as were the introduction of grazing in the highlands and the emphasis upon the production of milk and cheese (bryndza). Variants of the traditional Romanian costume are still important elements of the ethnography of the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Poland. The music of the area was also influenced by the Vlachs (e.g. see Lachian Dances).

:eek: I had no idea the Vlachs had crept THAT far along the Carpathian ridge! I suppose this supports the notion that they'd crossed the Danube into Dacia, if they'd managed to get even further north and west. :thumb001:



The etymology of Bohemia literally means Boii-heim (Boii-home). I think that's a big enough clue in itself. You are right though, most of the Boii vacated Bohemia but I still think their must be at least some trace of them in Czechs. Some probably stayed behind and lingered around in the forests away from Roman scribblers.
Well, the fact that Boiiheim ends in a German word means that the name was applied by outsiders, for which it is not even necessary that any Boii were left at the time. I don't deny that there's a lot of Boii left in the Baiuwares of Bayern, but I wouldn't stress their role in the Czech ethnogenesis.

[Saruman]

Probably areas in Central-Southern Russia, and East Ukrainian areas adjacent to them. :cool:

[Mordid]

Probably areas in Central-Southern Russia, and East Ukrainian areas adjacent to them. :cool:

Hardly. Belarusians and Poles are the most purest Slav, whereas Russians and Ukrainians are very mixed. :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::(:(:(:(:(:tong ue

[stefans]

Belarusian ! :)

[Barbarossa]

Slovenian. Racialy we are very pure, but we have many Germanic influences.

[Mordid]

Slovenian. Racialy we are very pure, but we have many Germanic influences.

No shit, bruv ? You guy look nothing like the people from Poland, Ukraine, Belarus and Russia. :rotfl:

[Anthropologique]

I voted Polish.

[Mordid]

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:laugh:

[Lisa]

Slavs is a linguistic term.

[Mordid]

Slavs is a linguistic term.

So, everyone who speak Slavic language is immediately Slavic ? :laugh:

[Lisa]

So, everyone who speak Slavic language is immediately Slavic ? :laugh:

Yes of course. But not immigrants.

[Mordid]

Yes of course. But not immigrants.

Why not immigrants ? The people who were born in Slavic country are of immigrant descent make them Slavic ? I dont think so. Blood is more important than anything.

[Lisa]

Why not immigrants ? The people who were born in Slavic country are of immigrant descent make them Slavic ? I dont think so. Blood is more important than anything.

And immigrants and their children. Correctly they were not origin Slavs.

[poiuytrewq0987]

Poles = Russo-German Slavs
Belarusians, Ukrainians = Russian Slavs
Russians = Tatar Slavs
Czechs = German Slavs
Slovaks = Celtic Slavs
Serbocroats = Illyrian Slavs
Slovenes = Austrian Slavs
Macedonians = Grecobulgar Slavs
Bulgarians = Turkish Slavs

Discuss.

[W. R.]

Your thread:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31120

[Geronimo]

Polackos - both genetically and culturally.

[Mordid]

Did you make similar thread from last time?

Have a look at it:
http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/1418/admixturebelorussian12.png
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/7697/admixturepolishd12.png
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/8162/admixturerussian12.pnghttp://img708.imageshack.us/img708/4587/admixturerussiand12.png
http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/4437/admixtureslovenian12.png
http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/4533/admixturebalkansd12.png

The answer goes to Belarusians.

[пустиняк]

Bulgarians = Turkish Slavs

:D:D:D

says the turkolover from firomistan

[Lemon Kush]

The purest Slavs come from Mordidland.

[Crn Volk]

I'd say Belarussians

[alfieb]

Czechs are definitely the most racially pure. Poles are mixed with Jews, Russians, Hungarians, Turkic tribes, Finnic tribes, you name it.

Czechs are only mixed with Germans and other Slavs.

Are they the most Slavic? No. They're fairly Western.

[Kastrioti1443]

Czechs are definitely the most racially pure. Poles are mixed with Jews, Russians, Hungarians, Turkic tribes, Finnic tribes, you name it.

Czechs are only mixed with Germans and other Slavs.

Are they the most Slavic? No. They're fairly Western.

You are totally wrong.

[Mans not hot]

[QUOTE=alfieb;1557320] Poles are mixed with, Finnic tribes, you name it[/quoted]
You're hilarious in an idiotic way.

[Kastrioti1443]

[QUOTE=alfieb;1557320] Poles are mixed with, Finnic tribes, you name it[/quoted]
You're hilarious in an idiotic way.

loooooooooool

[Hevo]

Czechs are definitely the most racially pure. Poles are mixed with Jews, Russians, Hungarians, Turkic tribes, Finnic tribes, you name it.

Czechs are only mixed with Germans and other Slavs.

Are they the most Slavic? No. They're fairly Western.

:rotfl::rotfl:

[Mans not hot]

If it's ethnic group who are most racially mixed in Europe, It's sicilians. They are mixed with Arabs, Negroes and Moors.

[Kastrioti1443]

If it's ethnic group who are most racially mixed in Europe, It's sicilians. They are mixed with Arabs, Negroes and Moors.

No they didn't, not with arabs and negros at least. In my opinion poles and belarusians are maybe the purest slavs.

[alfieb]

Your country is filled with crypto-Jews, Lithuanians, and the like, but you want to talk about our own admixture? Okay. Kind-of off topic, though.

[Mans not hot]

Your country is filled with crypto-Jews, Lithuanians, and the like, but you want to talk about our own admixture? Okay. Kind-of off topic, though.
Poland is a homogenous country with something like 96% ethnic Poles and 3% non-ethnic Poles. Poles never mixed with Jews, Lithuanians (although, some Poles from North East Poland have Lithuanian roots due to Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth), Finnic and Turkic tribes never went in Poland. Poles are basically proto-Slavs with Germanic and some Baltic admixtures. Even the geneticists can confirm it.

Besides, Sicilians are genetically more mixed than Poles and also, Sicilians are genetically closer to Jews than to Poles.

[alfieb]

Sicilians are more similar to Jews because we have ancestry from the Middle East, Northern Europe, and Southern Europe like they do. People who have similar backgrounds are going to cluster similarly. There's no evidence that Ashkenazim and Sicilians have common ancestry. :icon_yawn:

But Poles and Jews? It's rather straightforward. You had the largest Jewish population in the world. Hitler may have exterminated the people who identified as Jewish, but there's little question that kosher blood flows through your veins.


And negative rep messages are for cowardly faggots. You're not a coward are you? :no:

I didn't intend to troll with my post. I genuinely believe Czechs are the most racially pure of the Slavs. :nod:

[Lemon Kush]

Hitler called the Czechs the "shiftiest" of the Slavs.

[Mans not hot]

But Poles and Jews? It's rather straightforward. You had the largest Jewish population in the world.:
Yeah, so? It doesn't mean Poles were mixed with Jews. Besides for that, Jewish religious law doesn't allow marrying out. So any mixing would have to be the result of conversions, which were very rare till the 19th century. Socially there was little mixing between Poles and Jews till the 20th century, and by 1944, most Polish Jews were dead. So even unofficial relationships wouldn't create too many offspring. In short, it's hard to believe there is much Jewish blood among non-Jewish Poles.

If your looking for non-Jews with lots of Jewish blood, look in Portugal, Spain, Italy. Or for more recent mixing, look in France and the US. The intermarriage rates there are huge.

And negative rep messages are for cowardly faggots. You're not a coward are you?

You deserved a negrep because you're an ignorant cunt.

I genuinely believe Czechs are the most racially pure of the Slavs.

Czech people are descend from Germanic and Celtic tribes who intermingled with Slavic invaders. Proto Slavs come from East Poland, South Belarus and North Ukraine. Therefore, Czechs aren't the purest ''Slavs''. In fact, it's Sorbs who are the purest Slavs (http://polishgenes.blogspot.com.au/2012/09/y-dna-of-west-slavs-vs-eastern-germans.html).

[Mans not hot]

Hitler called the Czechs the "shiftiest" of the Slavs.
Well, I can tell you one thing about Hitler; he was a lunatic.

[Twistedmind]

Question is utterly idiotic. I mean all Slavs are European, White, Europid, whatever. Exotic examples among us are East Meds, Gracile Meds, Armenoids (not Armenids, Armenoids could be find among ethnic Germans), Lappids... all of mentioned are still fully European Europid aka White.
Genneticaly least mixed Slavs would be Lusatian Serbs aka Sorbs. And no Slavic group cluster with extra Europeans be it Central, Eastern or Western Asians.

[Dombra]

Belarus I think

By the way, "not most pure" but "least tainted" :)

[Lemon Kush]

Well, I can tell you one thing about Hitler; he was a lunatic.

Adolf Hitler said Czechs were the most dangerous and had the most Mongoloid blood of all the Slavs.

[Hevo]

Belarus I think

By the way, "not most pure" but "least tainted" :)

Why Belarus?

[Mans not hot]

Adolf Hitler said Czechs were the most dangerous and had the most Mongoloid blood of all the Slavs.
http://www.thetruthabouteverything.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Funny-hitler-pics-image-photo-of-kid.jpeg

[Damião de Góis]

If your looking for non-Jews with lots of Jewish blood, look in Portugal, Spain, Italy. Or for more recent mixing, look in France and the US. The intermarriage rates there are huge.


You can look for non-jews with lots of jewish blood here, but you won't find much i'm afraid.

[Prince Carlo]

If your looking for non-Jews with lots of Jewish blood, look in Portugal, Spain, Italy. Or for more recent mixing, look in France and the US. The intermarriage rates there are huge.

No South European group scores very high on the Ashkenazi component on the Jtest from Eurogenes. Not even Sicilians and Greeks.

[Smaug]

I'll go for Belarussians.

[Austo]

Adolf Hitler said Czechs were the most dangerous and had the most Mongoloid blood of all the Slavs.

Source?
I doubt it.

[Crn Volk]

[QUOTE=XtraXavier;1557461You deserved a negrep because you're an ignorant cunt.

[QUOTE]

And a semite to boot!

[Arathor]

Poles are probably the most Slavic of all the Slavs.

[Útrám]

Every other (north)western pole looks German to me.

[Arathor]

Every other (north)western pole looks German to me.

Probably because there's a lot of German blood in the region. I've never seen a pure Pole who looks remotely German.

[Mans not hot]

Probably because there's a lot of German blood in the region. I've never seen a pure Pole who looks remotely German.
There's a lot of Slavic blood in Germany (East parts) as much as Germanic blood in Poles.

[Mans not hot]

Every other (north)western pole looks German to me.
I trust Jusia more than your opinion because she lives in Szczecin which is in NW Poland. It's Germans who look Slavic/Polish, not vice versa.

[Prince Carlo]

http://imageshack.us/a/img4/3564/jtestmapssmall.png

The last Image shows the Ashkenazi admixture in West Eurasia.

[Útrám]

I trust Jusia more than your opinion because she lives in Szczecin which is in NW Poland.

Experience is not opinion. I haven't seen many, but I've seen a few. Sure, it's not enough for generalizing a whole demographic, nor did I claim so.


It's Germans who look Slavic/Polish, not vice versa.

Why can't it be a shared phenotype? Sub-races are not completely endemic to meta-ethnicities.

[Ianus]

I npresume Russian, Belarussian and Polish people should be the most similar to protoslavs

[Twistedmind]

I npresume Russian, Belarussian and Polish people should be the most similar to protoslavs

Hm, after mixing with Finnics, Balts, Uralians etc etc?. Sure. :D

[Lemon Kush]

Probably Sorbs since they absorbed the least amount of foreign influence.

[HellLander87]

Greeks

[Mortimer]

belorussians

[armenianbodyhair]

My favorite drink

[alexkid]

Sorbians and Croations.

[Not a Cop]

Estonians

[Trebal]

Poles are definitely not pure. Hell, they're one of the most mixed peoples on the whole European continent. These votes are probably just from themselves.