Satanism....

[safinator]

What are your thoughts on Satanism?
Is it compatible with European preservation policies?

[Body And Soul]

It's just for doom disturbed people....

[Boudica]

Sorry.. But who in their right fucking mind would want to worship some thought to be evil horned beast that lives in a pit of fire,shit,and misery? I mean really.. Come on.. Just out of curiosity, in this spectacular religion is the anti christ some form of Jesus?

[Laudanum]

Satanism is a religion/philosophy just like any other.

First of all, there are many different versions of satanism and every satanist has different believes, so it's very hard to talk about it as if its just one religion.

My view on satanism is neutral and pretty much the same as any other religion. If people want to practice satanism, that's fine with me.:)

I don't think it has anything to do with European preservation. Every religion has had its ''dark'' gods or spirits, so Satanism could also be practiced in a European context, so to speak.

[morski]

\m/ :p

[HungAryan]

What are your thoughts on Satanism?
An artificial "religion" invented by a Jew named Anton Szandor LaVey.

Is it compatible with European preservation policies?
No, it's not.
It's only good for attention whores, drug-addicts and other thrash.

[Laudanum]

An artificial "religion" invented by a Jew named Anton Szandor LaVey.


What you're talking about right now is LaVeyan satanism. That's only one of the many versions of satanism. Theistic satanism has nothing to do with LaVey.;)

[Lithium]

I am neutral about this religion. The people who are satanists are quite diverse and you can't place them under one stereotype. It is not an evil worshipping religion, it is more about trusting in yourself and your abilities.

[ironman]

Years ago when i was younger, my friends and i practiced "Satanism" we brought as many girls and girlfriends to our gatherings as we could, the free sex and nudity was great...but now i am older the nudity and free sex has tapered out a bit.

(just kidding)

[Osweo]

Dump the Jew Boss God for the Jew Naughty God? :chin: WHY!? :shrug:

[Laudanum]

Dump the Jew Boss God for the Jew Naughty God? :chin: WHY!? :shrug:

Like I said, ''Satan'' is just a symbol. It could be any dark god from any religion. It has nothing to do with the jewish god whatsoever.;)

I wonder how many books on satanism (written by satanists) you guys have actually read.:P

[Osweo]

Like I said, ''Satan'' is just a symbol. It could be any dark god from any religion. It has nothing to do with the jewish god whatsoever.;)
They use the Semitic name, and thus demonstrate their indebtedness to this foreign culture, and implicitly infer the superiority of the Semitic worldview, which is one in which Satan is a doomed character who will ultimately be defeated by Jehovah/Allah. Why associate with such a figure?

I understand about the appeal of the 'rebel' against an unjust creator, but Prometheus is a figure closer to home who does the same, without the unpleasant attributes attaching to Satan. Why do these people not look to him, or start from scratch with a new cosmology altogether?

Satanists are rebels WITHIN the Christian system, and thus lack the balls to properly rebel against it. If they're mad at Jesus and join his antagonist, they are thus acknowledging Jesus's importance. I don't see the good sense in this idea at all.

As for its utility to Europeans... LoL, how can some weirdos best demonstrate their bizarre perversion and fringe nature better, than get associated with puppy-sacrifice and pointless blasphemy of Europe's long Christian heritage!? Idiotic and childish, doing nobody any good.

[Daos]

Submit to Satan!

http://sysadmins.ru/files/a_8a2d85e0_156.jpg

[Laudanum]

They use the Semitic name, and thus demonstrate their indebtedness to this foreign culture, and implicitly infer the superiority of the Semitic worldview, which is one in which Satan is a doomed character who will ultimately be defeated by Jehovah/Allah. Why associate with such a figure?

I understand about the appeal of the 'rebel' against an unjust creator, but Prometheus is a figure closer to home who does the same, without the unpleasant attributes attaching to Satan. Why do these people not look to him, or start from scratch with a new cosmology altogether?

Satanists are rebels WITHIN the Christian system, and thus lack the balls to properly rebel against it. If they're mad at Jesus and join his antagonist, they are thus acknowledging Jesus's importance. I don't see the good sense in this idea at all.

As for its utility to Europeans... LoL, how can some weirdos best demonstrate their bizarre perversion and fringe nature better, than get associated with puppy-sacrifice and pointless blasphemy of Europe's long Christian heritage!? Idiotic and childish, doing nobody any good.

Like I said, the name ''Satan'' is used the most, but it could just be Loki or Jörmungandr or Seth as well. The whole essence of satanism hasn't go much to do with christianity at all. It's just using well known symbols everyone understands.

It's about worshipping the dark side of nature. Why or how doesn't really matter. I could ask the same questions about many other religions.

[Joe McCarthy]

Dump the Jew Boss God for the Jew Naughty God? :chin: WHY!? :shrug:

I don't think people who dabble in ersatz religions (and yes, this is an especially silly one) ever had much connection to Christianity in the first place, and certainly not any semi-serious study of theology.

[BanjaLuka]

Satanism is bad ....I know...because I tried it :rolleyes2::cool:

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[Baron Samedi]

Satan, as a symbolic tool, could be greatly beneficial to the strengthening of people's Will's for Europe. The concept of the Adversary is worldwide, and could easily be used to morally cripple "the enemy"... Whoever that may be at the time.

Cernunnos/Ol Hornie/Bucca could be seen a British incarnation of "Satan/Trickster" for instance, and was probably demonized as such due to the horns...

Also, the LeVayan concept of Lex Talonis could be applied to Nationalist policies.

Yes, I wonder just how much most of these members have read myself....

[tschort]

i dislike all the christian bullshit including satanism

[Pallantides]

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[Hevneren]

Sorry.. But who in their right fucking mind would want to worship some thought to be evil horned beast that lives in a pit of fire,shit,and misery? I mean really.. Come on.. Just out of curiosity, in this spectacular religion is the anti christ some form of Jesus?

Common misconception. Satanism is a philosophy. It puts self-interest before altruism. It's kind of similar to what Ayn Rand believed.

Satan in the Bible is represented as selfish, as someone who allows for humanity to seek pleasure (sex, drugs, alcohol). It was the "evil" snake that tricked Adam and Eve to leave Eden and seek knowledge.

In the Bible, the "good" Yahweh is responsible for millions of dead, while the "evil" Satan is (at worst) responsible for one, namely Job, and even in the case of Job it was a contest in which Yahweh and Satan competed and Yahweh let Job be subject to Satan's harm.

Wahweh wanted humanity to live in ignorance and to worship Him, while Satan wanted humanity to open up its eyes and learn and understand their surroundings. Eden was nothing but a prison of the mind, a way to keep humanity ignorant. Not that I believe any of this.

Satan was never even part of early Christianity, but he was added because the Christians resented paganism so they turned the horned gods of various pagan religions into one horned demon.

[Baron Samedi]

Common misconception. Satanism is a philosophy. It puts self-interest before altruism. It's kind of similar to what Ayn Rand believed.

Satan in the Bible is represented as selfish, as someone who allows for humanity to seek pleasure (sex, drugs, alcohol). It was the "evil" snake that tricked Adam and Eve to leave Eden and seek knowledge.

In the Bible, the "good" Yahweh is responsible for millions of dead, while the "evil" Satan is (at worst) responsible for one, namely Job, and even in the case of Job it was a contest in which Yahweh and Satan competed and Yahweh let Job be subject to Satan's harm.

Wahweh wanted humanity to live in ignorance and to worship Him, while Satan wanted humanity to open up its eyes and learn and understand their surroundings. Eden was nothing but a prison of the mind, a way to keep humanity ignorant. Not that I believe any of this.

Satan was never even part of early Christianity, but he was added because the Christians resented paganism so they turned the horned gods of various pagan religions into one horned demon.

Concerning this horned demon....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horned_God

[BanjaLuka]

The only thing worse than Satanism is Turkey's (AKA Village Idiot) Oppositism :eek::rolleyes2:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=3185&dateline=1319664638

[Pallantides]

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[safinator]

ROME – Chances are one out of ten that the guy next door is a Satanist!

That’s the shocking conclusion of researcher Dr. James Phillips of Birmingham, England, a British expert in the occult. He says that millions of ordinary citizens are, in fact, Devil worshipers – and they represent a danger to every God-fearing man, woman and child!

“I’m quite certain that it’s at least 10 percent of the population – maybe more,” said Dr. Phillips. “We’re talking about men and women from all walks of life – it’s everywhere.


“I have treated victims of these people and if you listen to what they have to say you will see this is a major problem.

“The terror of the victims is incredible. They are too frightened to speak out, and if they do they’re written off as cranks.”

Phillips’ astounding estimate indicates that as many as 25 million Americans are worshiping Satan, and that means that most of us come into contact with Satanists every day without knowing it.

The good news is that there are ways to identify a Devil worshiper, so you can avoid them and protect your family.

Here, according to experts in the occult, are some of the surefire signs of Satanists:

1. They come and go at odd hours, especially late at night and just before dawn.

2. They never attend church or celebrate religious holidays.

3. They often have no visible means of support, yet live well.

4. They carry strange bags and bundles, never revealing the contents.

5. They rarely laugh, or laugh under the wrong circumstances – for example, when a child is hit by a car.

6. They are often openly interested in magic tricks or the occult.

7. They may excite instinctual fear in children and animals.

8. They are not afraid of blood – in fact, they seem attracted by it.

9. They collect weird things, such as animal skeletons or fingernail clippings.

10. They tend to dress warmly even in hot weather, as if they constantly feel chilled.

[Pallantides]

Lol guess I'm a Satanist:D

[Matritensis]

In Catholicism,Satan is a real entity,not a symbol.I know that in these materialistic times it must sound like a joke,but the phenomenon of the diabolical possession is still an unsolved mystery and its symptoms are very well documented and unmistakable.I have read a couple of books written by real exorcists and they go to extremes to be sure that they're not witnessing the effects of a mental disease.I know it sounds passé,"medieval" if you want.But the world is actually an incredibly mysterious place,and there are many things that we ignore or misinterpret.Here you have an interview with one of the most experimented exorcists in Vatican:

http://www.vaticans.org/index.php?/archives/61-An-interview-with-the-Vaticans-chief-excorcist,-Father-Gabriele.html

[safinator]

Lol guess I'm a Satanist:D
http://images.sodahead.com/polls/001564453/3038265151_cross_vs_vampire_answer_1_xlarge.jpeg

[Baron Samedi]

In Catholicism,Satan is a real entity,not a symbol.I know that in these materialistic times it must sound like a joke,but the phenomenon of the diabolical possession is still an unsolved mystery and its symptoms are very well documented and unmistakable.I have read a couple of books written by real exorcists and they go to extremes to be sure that they're not witnessing the effects of a mental disease.I know it sounds passé,"medieval" if you want.But the world is actually an incredibly mysterious place,and there are many things that we ignore or misinterpret.Here you have an interview with one of the most experimented exorcists in Vatican:

http://www.vaticans.org/index.php?/archives/61-An-interview-with-the-Vaticans-chief-excorcist,-Father-Gabriele.html

If only it could happen to me....

[Eldritch]

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[Norse Sword]

Satanists are just dip shits like the morons who send cash to pedophile priests.

Satanists are historically the followers of one of two men, who pioneered modern Satanism. Allister Crowley, and Anton Levey.

Crowley,This demented asshole forced his wife to copulate with a goat, in hopes of birthing the son of Satan. She went insane.

I remember running into Satanists In one particular city in the historical district.

They were always causing commotion, chanting shit in front of shops to intimidate shoppers. The police would run them off for demonstrating without a permit.

They were punk little dickheads who would harass young women minding their own business. The girls, would refuse to talk to them and they would follow them around and tell them they were cursed for not submitting to Satan's followers.

In one incident a former Marine beat the shit out of three of them for harassing his girlfriend.

Pimply faced dip shits with faith in a fake underworld God who was invented by the same hypocritical religion out of need for a bad guy.

Nothing more tragic than a European stupid enough to believe any facet of the religion that did more to kill off Europeans than the Black Plague.

[Norse Sword]

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Gorgoroth? it is part of Mordor in the fictional book by JRR Tolkien, the Lord of the Rings.

[Eldritch]

Gorgoroth? it is part of Mordor in the fictional book by JRR Tolkien, the Lord of the Rings.

Yes, I'm aware. The plains of Gorgoroth are located in central Mordor. Tolkien has influences many other Black Metal groups as well.

http://www.patriotresource.com/lotr/pics/locations/mordor.jpg

[askra]

how can anyone believe in an ugly goat with anthropomorphic features that succeeds to survive inside the flames? :lol:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7BaynCRQGY4/TZ4Ik6lXsMI/AAAAAAAAAHA/IBCXyddNCGI/s1600/animal-goat-satan_881.jpg

[Supreme American]

The Church of Satan was founded by a bizarre Jew. Need this thread go further?

[Alex Delarge]

I voted neutral. I put it on the same level as adam, eve, the talking snake or santa klaus. People are free to believe in what they want.

[Eldritch]

The Church of Satan was founded by a bizarre Jew. Need this thread go further?

While the Temple of Set was founded by an individual who had risen moderately high in the ranks of the US military. So yes, basically.

[Logan]

I voted neutral. I put it on the same level as adam, eve, the talking snake or santa klaus. People are free to believe in what they want.

I might agree up to a particular point. One might be better off, or no worse, following Hela. At least it hasn't been ballsed up, yet.

http://pyreaus.com/image_article/article_days_week/hermod_hel_sleipnir2_full.jpg

[Baron Samedi]

I might agree up to a particular point. One might be better off, or no worse, following Hela. At least it hasn't been ballsed up, yet.

http://pyreaus.com/image_article/article_days_week/hermod_hel_sleipnir2_full.jpg

Considering I do.... (look at my username) we may have a thread here....

Also don't compare Hel to Satan.... Completely different beings there.

[Joe McCarthy]

I have a feeling there may be a Christian religious revival if for no other reason than because people who dabble in goofy replacement religions will tire of getting ridiculed.

[Baron Samedi]

I have a feeling there may be a Christian religious revival if for no other reason than because people who dabble in goofy replacement religions will tire of getting ridiculed.

And "we" shall be right there to spit in their faces.

[Sally]

While the Temple of Set was founded by an individual who had risen moderately high in the ranks of the US military. So yes, basically.

Are Setians considered Satanists? I don't recall. :confused:

Michael Aquino is intelligent and it seems very fitting that he is the son of a child genius. Aquino's wife, Lilith, is equally intelligent and scores points with me for being involved in animal rescue. Both seem down to earth, from what little I know.

On the other hand, the type of nuisances Norse Sword describes could probably be attributed more to proselytising Christians on any given day, though. Recently, one such fellow charged into a grocery store I was visiting, shrieking about the end of the world.


I remember running into Satanists In one particular city in the historical district.

They were always causing commotion, chanting shit in front of shops to intimidate shoppers. The police would run them off for demonstrating without a permit.

[Pallantides]

Satanists are historically the followers of one of two men, who pioneered modern Satanism. Allister Crowley, and Anton Levey.


In Norway and pretty much in the entire Northern-European Black Metal scene nobody was ever impressed or influenced by those two.

[SwordoftheVistula]

I picked 'neutral'. The imagery associated with the movement is pretty cool, but the people who are seriously involved in it are not.

Cool:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wwgbqd8E6C0/S9e3xdIIp0I/AAAAAAAAAA8/QtllHN_rVwg/S660/satanic-skull.jpg


Lame:

http://www.satanservice.org/real-satanist/manuela-ruda.jpg

[rhiannon]

Satanism is a religion/philosophy just like any other.

First of all, there are many different versions of satanism and every satanist has different believes, so it's very hard to talk about it as if its just one religion.

My view on satanism is neutral and pretty much the same as any other religion. If people want to practice satanism, that's fine with me.:)

I don't think it has anything to do with European preservation. Every religion has had its ''dark'' gods or spirits, so Satanism could also be practiced in a European context, so to speak.

I read LaVey's Satanic Bible when I was 16-17. Afterwards, I realized Satanism likely is NOT the hellfire and damnation version Christians like to present it as. I could not help but laugh at the point he made about *Satanism* keeping Christianity in business all these years...lol.

I am not bothered by the less extreme versions of Satanism at all. Now, if you are entering the realm of human or animal sacrifice....my opinion obviously changes.

[Eldritch]

Are Setians considered Satanists? I don't recall. :confused:

Michael Aquino is intelligent and it seems very fitting that he is the son of a child genius. Aquino's wife, Lilith, is equally intelligent and scores points with me for being involved in animal rescue. Both seem down to earth, from what little I know.

Setians do not describe themselves as Satanists, as far as I know. Of course, they are lumped together with satanists often, mostly by people who do not, cannot and do not want to understand the distinction. It goes without saying that the opinions of such people are of no consequence whatsoever, but the point I was making was that Aquino used to be a member of the Church of Satan, and as you point out, he is an intelligent an accomplished person, so there is more to it than just one weird Jew.

[Pallantides]

Fuck Set, I'm with Ibis!
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/17880/352645-108201-kalanthes_thumb.jpg

[Laudanum]

I read LaVey's Satanic Bible when I was 16-17. Afterwards, I realized Satanism likely is NOT the hellfire and damnation version Christians like to present it as. I could not help but laugh at the point he made about *Satanism* keeping Christianity in business all these years...lol.


I read the satanic bible for the first time when I was 11 years old.:rolleyes:

LaVeyan satanism is basically the same as atheism but they use Satan as a symbol of freedom.



I am not bothered by the less extreme versions of Satanism at all. Now, if you are entering the realm of human or animal sacrifice....my opinion obviously changes.

Agreed. :thumb001:

[Magister Eckhart]

I have the same view toward Satanism that I have toward Wicca and Neopaganism. It's not even worthy of the title "false religion": it's just an excuse for a bunch of idiotic teenagers to get together and cut themselves, fornicate a lot, and get drunk to piss off their parents and satisfy their conviction that "society, like, totally doesn't understand me".

It has no real philosophy, no unifying doctrine, no real religious aspect to it at all. It's an ideology for slave-minded children to gather in a clique and "hate the world", just like Wicca. The fact that it exists speaks to how disorganised, morally corrupted, and childish our society has become, so naturally I should vote "bad".

Probably the worst part about Satanism is the way it feeds into the fundamentalist Christian materialist understanding of Satan and Evil are positive quantities (i.e. as opposed to negative, or void, quantities). It creates a childish fear among blind believers among the heretics that fuels heresy and demands some form of reaction, which only makes Christians in general look sillier than these idiots already make us look. I suppose this, is, ironically, the only truly satanic quality of the movement.

Satan, we must recall, is nothing more than a prosecutor and a tester - these literary notions of a silly little horned man with breasts and cloven feet who whispers evil into people's ears are peasant fantasy, not Christian doctrine. Even demonic possession isn't actually Satan, or his "lieutenants" - a demon is little more than an evil spirit who sets out to accomplish its own goal; people can point to instances of possession and say "well the possessed said they were Satan", but frankly if you actually believe that its a demon in the possessed person, I would be suspicious if the creature told me the sky was blue. But, as Caesar said, "men willingly believe what they wish"; if you want it to be Satan in the little girl on the farm screaming in Aramaic, then you will readily believe the demon when it claims to be Satan. The fantasy of Satan - literally "the adversary" - as some kind of tangible being is a literally reading of a myth that ought to teach us something about ourselves and how we interact with the world.

Frankly, Satanism isn't really the great and tangible evil it's made out to be; it's immoral, certainly, in that it engages in immoral acts, but the worship of evil is all an act. All something needs to be evil is to be devoid of God - that's what evil is, the void created when the Truth of God is distanced from something; it's not a positive quantity that requires a little horned representative. So if we rank Satanism compared to the other aspects of our society that are devoid of God, or other movements that actively seek to create evil, we will find that Satanism ranks rather low on the totem pole. Satanists at least believe in God (they have to, if you oppose God, you must believe in what you are opposing.)

[research_centre]

I picked 'neutral'. The imagery associated with the movement is pretty cool, but the people who are seriously involved in it are not.

Cool:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wwgbqd8E6C0/S9e3xdIIp0I/AAAAAAAAAA8/QtllHN_rVwg/S660/satanic-skull.jpg


Lame:

http://www.satanservice.org/real-satanist/manuela-ruda.jpg

The joke of the matter is that real Satanists don't look any different than anyone else and likely would be highly sophisticated. That second picture is nothing but a real clown in my view.

The problem is that too many lost souls are attracted to what they perceive as the "evil" associations, the "alternative" aspects when in reality I think some just need a fucking psychiatrist.

[Pallantides]

Anton LaVey and Alistair Crowley were "wannabe evil" poseur faggots.


This is real evil:
http://filesarena.com/wp-content/uploads/images/richard-ramirez.gif

[Joe McCarthy]

Originally Posted by Magister Eckhart
I have the same view toward Satanism that I have toward Wicca and Neopaganism. It's not even worthy of the title "false religion": it's just an excuse for a bunch of idiotic teenagers to get together and cut themselves, fornicate a lot, and get drunk to piss off their parents and satisfy their conviction that "society, like, totally doesn't understand me".

It has no real philosophy, no unifying doctrine, no real religious aspect to it at all. It's an ideology for slave-minded children to gather in a clique and "hate the world", just like Wicca. The fact that it exists speaks to how disorganised, morally corrupted, and childish our society has become, so naturally I should vote "bad".


Too true, and this is part of why I think ersatz religions may ultimately give way to Christian revivalism. Lord Egan, Anton Lavey, and similar clownish trash cannot compete with Calvin, Aquinas, or even moderns like Rushdoony. Currents like Satanism are an exercise of rebellious people lacking in self-restraint.

[Flintlocke]

Those stupid Gothic kids have nothing in common with ancient paganism. They just go on about being "non conformist" and gather around in small groups and sing yabba dabba or some other crap that makes them feel they are dark and eeeevil. If you wanna see evil go to the nearest jail and see all the lifers in there. I bet they will piss their pants immediately and go crying home for mommy.

And what is this "sacrifice" thing? Just because one kills an animal and sings some incomprehensible mantra it makes it something else? No, killing an animal is killing an animal whatever other tag you wanna pin on it. Do those people really believe that the dead puppy's "soul" goes to the devil and then what? It becomes its pet? Get real people!

[rhiannon]

Anton LaVey and Alistair Crowley were "wannabe evil" poseur faggots.


This is real evil:
http://filesarena.com/wp-content/uploads/images/richard-ramirez.gif

I lived within striking distance of his stomping grounds back in 1985, when he was on his killing spree...all of my friends and myself used to lock up our houses tightly at night out of fear this scumbag would show himself.:eek:

[Saturni]

There is only one Church of Satan, founded in 1966 by Anton LaVey. It has nothing to do with goths, drug addled Crowley-ites, rapist, devil worshipping spics, paganism, or libertinism.

The Temple of Set was established by a disgruntled former member of the CoS. They have absolutely no ties, either philosophically or personally, with the CoS today.

[Sally]

I lived within striking distance of his stomping grounds back in 1985, when he was on his killing spree...all of my friends and myself used to lock up our houses tightly at night out of fear this scumbag would show himself.:eek:

Ugh, that was a horrible summer in Los Angeles. It was stifling that summer, and I begged to close the windows at night, despite the scorching heat (we didn't have air conditioning).

As a 12 year old, I was terrified of that sick scumbag! :eek:

[Hevneren]

It's an ideology for slave-minded children to gather in a clique and "hate the world",

Sounds like Christianity. ;)


these literary notions of a silly little horned man with breasts and cloven feet who whispers evil into people's ears are peasant fantasy,

Replace "horned man with breasts and cloven feet" with "invisible sky god who also takes the form of a zombie Jew", and it would be equally true. :)


But, as Caesar said, "men willingly believe what they wish";

Still sounds like Christianity. :shrug:


All something needs to be evil is to be devoid of God - that's what evil is, the void created when the Truth of God is distanced from something

That would make me, all other Atheists, toddlers and animals of the world evil. The bloody history of the Christian faith seems to prove otherwise.

[rhiannon]

Ugh, that was a horrible summer in Los Angeles. It was stifling that summer, and I begged to close the windows at night, despite the scorching heat (we didn't have air conditioning).

As a 12 year old, I was terrified of that sick scumbag! :eek:

I thought of you even as I was making my post to this thread. Ramirez's territory was not that far from where you lived, either.

Do you remember the Hillside Stranglers at all? I was about 11-12 when those scumbags were on the loose....and I vividly recall the terror we lived under, especially because those assholes targeted girls in my age range

[Bloodeagle]

Satanism is a joke! :D Practiced by lunatics and drug addicts.

[research_centre]

Satanism is a joke! :D Practiced by lunatics and drug addicts.

I agree, the types often seen in the media surely. Yes.

[Bloodeagle]

I agree, the types often seen in the media surely. Yes.

I think evil is to illusive to worship in a religious context. It just sort of happens to people who don't ask for it. ;)

[Saturni]

Well there certainly seems to be no shortage of 5 watt types posting in this thread.

Perhaps it might help by explaining the difference between Satanism and devil worship.

A Satanist is someone who adheres to the philosophy of Satanism as codified by Anton LaVey. It should be noted that prior to the CoS' inception in 1966, no one had previously codified Satanism into a complete religion. But getting back on point, Satanism is a belief system founded on the idea of rational self-interest. Magically, the CoS' teaching focus on Lesser and Greater magic. Lesser Magic being the art mundane manipulation, whereas Greater Magic is ceremonial.

As for Satan, he is not worshipped, or even recognized, as a individual/isolated entity. Instead, Satan is seen as the externalized archetype of human perfection, the idealized version of the Satanist, if you will.

Contrast this mode of thought with that of the devil-worshipper, who believes in and worships Satan as actual (meta)physical entity. In actuality, these people are just heretical Xtians, who choose to worship the bad guy of Xtian mythology.

Another important distinction here is that the devil-worshipper does not engage in Greater Black Magic. Yes, this might sound a little contradictory in principle, but the purpose of devil-worshippery is to enslave oneself to a mythical being, just in the same way the Xtian does with their Jehovah. The devil-worshipper asks/begs/grovels for favors. The Satanist's world view, magically speaking, is 180 degrees in opposition to this mode of behavior. Instead of seeing themselves as a servant, the Satanist sees themselves as the center of their own subjective universe. They do not beg, but demand what they've willed to come to pass.

As for illegal activity, this is, of course, shunned, by the Satanist, but often eagerly indulged in by the devil-worshipper. For instance, drug abuse is something that no Satanist would be caught dead doing. Why? Well aside from being illegal, drugs cloud the mind, leading to distorted perceptions of reality. Something the Satanist avoids at all costs, but something very often that is eagerly sought by the devil-worshipper.

[Pallantides]

Isn't the Church of Satan made up mostly of geeky Jewish lawyers playing dress up once a week?

[Joe McCarthy]

Isn't the Church of Satan made up mostly of geeky Jewish lawyers playing dress up once a week?

I think your appraisal is overly-positive.

[Jake Featherston]

A "Satanist" is just someone who never grew up, and is still stuck in the mode of always trying to "shock" his parents with what a wascally wabbit he can be.

[Jake Featherston]

Well there certainly seems to be no shortage of 5 watt types posting in this thread.

Perhaps it might help by explaining the difference between Satanism and devil worship.

A Satanist is someone who adheres to the philosophy of Satanism as codified by Anton LaVey. It should be noted that prior to the CoS' inception in 1966, no one had previously codified Satanism into a complete religion. But getting back on point, Satanism is a belief system founded on the idea of rational self-interest. Magically, the CoS' teaching focus on Lesser and Greater magic. Lesser Magic being the art mundane manipulation, whereas Greater Magic is ceremonial.

As for Satan, he is not worshipped, or even recognized, as a individual/isolated entity. Instead, Satan is seen as the externalized archetype of human perfection, the idealized version of the Satanist, if you will.

Contrast this mode of thought with that of the devil-worshipper, who believes in and worships Satan as actual (meta)physical entity. In actuality, these people are just heretical Xtians, who choose to worship the bad guy of Xtian mythology.

Another important distinction here is that the devil-worshipper does not engage in Greater Black Magic. Yes, this might sound a little contradictory in principle, but the purpose of devil-worshippery is to enslave oneself to a mythical being, just in the same way the Xtian does with their Jehovah. The devil-worshipper asks/begs/grovels for favors. The Satanist's world view, magically speaking, is 180 degrees in opposition to this mode of behavior. Instead of seeing themselves as a servant, the Satanist sees themselves as the center of their own subjective universe. They do not beg, but demand what they've willed to come to pass.

As for illegal activity, this is, of course, shunned, by the Satanist, but often eagerly indulged in by the devil-worshipper. For instance, drug abuse is something that no Satanist would be caught dead doing. Why? Well aside from being illegal, drugs cloud the mind, leading to distorted perceptions of reality. Something the Satanist avoids at all costs, but something very often that is eagerly sought by the devil-worshipper.

Whatever questions I may have had about you (none I can think of, really), this post has laid them all to rest.

[bluesky]

Satanism is bad! i mean who wants to worship something evil and disgusting it just doesnt make any sense all satanists must be mentally sick ...:sick2: :crazy: :ranger:

[Pallantides]

41GGuDlGRh4

[Saturni]

Whatever questions I may have had about you (none I can think of, really), this post has laid them all to rest.

Good, now stfu.

[Saturni]

Satanism is bad! i mean who wants to worship something evil and disgusting it just doesnt make any sense all satanists must be mentally sick ...:sick2: :crazy: :ranger:

You mustn't try to hard to think about these things. You'll be liable to sprang something.

[Óttar]

Anton LaVey and Alistair Crowley were "wannabe evil" poseur faggots.
I hate the former, but I like the latter. LaVey stole everything from Crowley and Ragnar Redbeard (Might is Right) and changed the words around slightly.

Crowley on the other hand, was well-read about occultism, eastern religion, and ancient paganism.

The only thing I don't care for is his naming his "guardian angel" Aiwass (a completely ahistorical, non-sensical, unetymological, unattested name) and the fact that he modeled his 'Gnostic Mass' too much on Orthodox Liturgy (he even went so far as to write the Trinitarian Formula (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinitarian_formula) into the ritual, something which didn't exist in pre-Christian religion. Triune gods notwithstanding.)


Also, the LeVayan concept of Lex Talonis could be applied to Nationalist policies.
No one need use LaVey for anything. Lex Talonis is a Roman (or, at least, Babylonian i.e. Hammurabi's Code) concept and need not be attributed to a plagiarist.

[Saturni]

I hate the former, but I like the latter. LaVey stole everything from Crowley and Ragnar Redbeard (Might is Right) and changed the words around slightly.

Crowley on the other hand, was well-read about occultism, eastern religion, and ancient paganism.

The only thing I don't care for is his naming his "guardian angel" Aiwass (a completely ahistorical, non-sensical, unetymological, unattested name) and the fact that he modeled his 'Gnostic Mass' too much on Orthodox Liturgy (he even went so far as to write the Trinitarian Formula (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinitarian_formula) into the ritual, something which didn't exist in pre-Christian religion. Triune gods notwithstanding.)


No one need use LaVey for anything. Lex Talonis is a Roman (or, at least, Babylonian i.e. Hammurabi's Code) concept and need not be attributed to a plagiarist.

LMFAO!

LaVey fully acknowledged the fact that he took passages from Might Is Right in the intro he wrote for an edition of the book that came out several years ago. As he said there, he would have fully given credit to the author if the author used his real name.

It was LaVey's research into the book that lead him to believe that Redbeard was, in fact, Jack London.

As for Crowley, he was nothing but a drug addict and poser. And you can stuff that RHP BS right where you found it, in the garbage, with all the other navel-gazing losers looking to kill their egos.

Actually, it was LaVey who didn't have a need for you.

-bSgbvQ3oY4

And like the song says, "Some to serve and some to feast."

[Óttar]

LaVey fully acknowledge the fact that he took passages from from Might Is Right in the intro he wrote for an edition of the book that came out several years ago.
Doesn't change the fact that he stole everything from other people. His book was so shit I donated it to the Salvation Army.

[Saturni]

Doesn't change the fact that he stole everything from other people. His was book so shit I donated it to the Salvation Army.

It must be hell for you to live in such a constant state of LaVeyan jealousy.

Btw, what does "his was book" mean? Is this some new bit of Crowleyanity I haven't heard of yet?

[Matritensis]

It must be hell for you to live in such a constant state of LaVeyan jealousy.

Btw, what does "his was book" mean? Is this some new bit of Crowleyanity I haven't heard of yet?


It means go bugger off.That's what it means,you smart ass.Now go suck some black goat's dick,you prick.

[Saturni]

It means go bugger off.That's what it means,you smart ass.Now go suck some black goat's dick,you prick.

Sounds like you are struggling with some repressed issues, to me. You weren't molested by a Catholic priest, were you?

[research_centre]

Revelation 2:9

[Laudanum]

*yawn*

[Sally]

Doesn't change the fact that he stole everything from other people. His book was so shit I donated it to the Salvation Army.

Sorry to veer off topic, but...

I'm curious what the Salvation Army does with the Satanic Bible or occult/parapsychology themed material (astrology, fortune telling) that folks donate to them. For instance, I read that they won't distribute donated toys that they think promote the occult (i.e., Harry Potter and Twilight) at Christmas time. Someone pointed out that they do accept toy guns, though.

Sorry. :embarrassed

[Midori]

As long as they keep their beliefs to themselves and don't do any harm, I don't see what the problem with satanism is. Could be that stereotypes and films led people to believe all of them are evil or cannibals, but in reality there are many different types of satanists and some of them indeed have messed up ideas, like burning churches or torturing/killing animals, even humans. I think these people aren't really satanists, but just immature kids or psychos who need serious help.

[Pallantides]

As long as they keep their beliefs to themselves and don't do any harm

One could wish that Christians had done the same.

[research_centre]

One could wish that Christians had done the same.

Why not continue? Any other group? Or you stop there?

[Pallantides]

Why not continue? Any other group? Or you stop there?

Sure

One could wish that Christians, Jews and Muslims would do the same!


Happy now?:D

[Saturni]

Yes, I already explained, at length, the difference between Satanists, and there is only one Satanism btw, and devil-worshippers.

Want an ideal of who a Satanist is, think Franklin, Jefferson, Mencken, and HPL.

Devil-worshippers are those goofy Scandinavian kids in corpse paint or people like Richard Ramiez.

Also, it will help to keep Nietzsche's concepts of Master and Slave morality in mind when contemplating the difference between the two.

[Magister Eckhart]

Yes, I already explained, at length, the difference between Satanists, and there is only one Satanism btw, and devil-worshippers.

Want an ideal of who a Satanist is, think Franklin, Jefferson, Mencken, and HPL.

Devil-worshippers are those goofy Scandinavian kids in corpse paint or people like Richard Ramiez.

Also, it will help to keep Nietzsche's concepts of Master and Slave morality in mind when contemplating the difference between the two.

I think that those men would be very taken aback at the accusation of Satanism; in fact, I'm quite sure they would contradict you vehemently. I have no idea how you came to such a conclusion, except that you feel you are a Satanist and want to classify all the men you admire likewise, but this is not a legitimate manner of approaching this subject.

[Joe McCarthy]

I wouldn't confuse the ethical precepts of Franklin as laid down in his autobiography with Satanism. Franklin was little more than a de-Christianized Puritan in outlook.

[Redar14]

In my personal opinion satanism is not serious Faith! This is extreme form of anti-Christianity hate. I think that majority satanists aren't belive in christianity God or Satan.

[Saturni]

In my personal opinion satanism is not serious Faith! This is extreme form of anti-Christianity hate. I think that majority satanists aren't belive in christianity God or Satan.

Satanism is an atheistic belief system. No gods or devils required.

As for it being anti-Xtian, this is true, but it would be a mistake to assume that Satanism exists solely as a knee-jerk reaction against Xtianity. The nature of Satanism and the Satanist is that of the accuser.

[Redar14]

Satanism= Atheism (or spiritualism) + anti- christianity hate. Nothing more!

[Saturni]

Satanism= Atheism (or spiritualism) + anti- christianity hate. Nothing more!

Your post makes no sense.

[Redar14]

Your post makes no sense.


My post is true but I mean "normal" satanist (black- metal fans, members of the Church of Satan etc.) Illuminati or Freemasons think that Satan is giver of freedom, wisdom and light

[research_centre]

My post is true but I mean "normal" satanist (black- metal fans, members of the Church of Satan etc.) Illuminati or Freemasons think that Satan is giver of freedom, wisdom and light

Normal? <-- Is that opposed to abnormal? WTF are you on?

[Redar14]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_xmvSb0xy3tw/RwESOilKBSI/AAAAAAAAAd8/m2zJtqlj6II/s320/MASON+EYE.jpg

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRCp2yVTHR2SImUhagGHxYh_RNr33dwN k1qSzhDnu-t3EYGhQozB8Lb603O

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_pxLN_7EPr8E/TIVjje4BLtI/AAAAAAAAACs/L73KR3LtAnk/s1600/coca-cola.jpg

http://vigilantcitizen.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/vodafone666_hr.jpg

http://www.menphis75.com/images/foto_varie/Heineken666.JPG

http://blabaweb.x10hosting.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/heineken_evil.jpg

[research_centre]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_xmvSb0xy3tw/RwESOilKBSI/AAAAAAAAAd8/m2zJtqlj6II/s320/MASON+EYE.jpg

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRCp2yVTHR2SImUhagGHxYh_RNr33dwN k1qSzhDnu-t3EYGhQozB8Lb603O

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_pxLN_7EPr8E/TIVjje4BLtI/AAAAAAAAACs/L73KR3LtAnk/s1600/coca-cola.jpg

http://vigilantcitizen.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/vodafone666_hr.jpg

http://www.menphis75.com/images/foto_varie/Heineken666.JPG

http://blabaweb.x10hosting.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/heineken_evil.jpg

I see Flying Pigs too. Jeez.

[Redar14]

Baphomet:

http://images.gildia.pl/magia/artykuly/symbole/bafomet/bafomet01/w200/

Lady Gaga:

http://radtrap.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/gaga7.jpg

http://www.conspirazzi.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/lady-gaga-illuminati.jpg

Beyonce:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ElQ6uj_xmu0/S6j9YCUv5xI/AAAAAAAABb4/g0Ul8qzA6II/s400/beyonce-illuminati-satanic-occult-sasha_fierce.jpg

[Tabiti]

For what type of Satanism we're talking about?

[research_centre]

For what type of Satanism we're talking about?

The type they think makes them look cool in the Eighth Grade of Jr. High School.

[Tabiti]

The type they think makes them look cool in the Eighth Grade of Jr. High School.
This is called puberty, not Satanism of any form...

[Norse Sword]

In Norway and pretty much in the entire Northern-European Black Metal scene nobody was ever impressed or influenced by those two.


No, they are even more mentally challenged rejects of society.

"Oh look at me, I am rebelling! Look Look Look!".

Maybe they make some medicine to get these clowns past puberty before they turn 30.

[Norse Sword]

Baphomet:

http://images.gildia.pl/magia/artykuly/symbole/bafomet/bafomet01/w200/

Lady Gaga:

http://radtrap.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/gaga7.jpg






Satan looks like it has nicer tits than freak show Gaga, it will give the Satanists something to play with when they go down on the goat meat.

[Redar14]

I mean children of widow and illuminated from Bavaria. They are really satanist and they have gigantic power.

[Redar14]

Other pictures:

http://www.echochrystusakrola.org/assets/images/2011-03/pierscien3.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/__vvMNZbcPWU/Sxvd8JNPJ4I/AAAAAAAAAUk/cI2vJ3spF9Y/s400/WaltDisney666.jpg



Picture of Satan from XVI century:

http://www.greendevils.pl/f_to_f/pacyfisci/1s.gif

[Baron Samedi]

Satan looks like it has nicer tits than freak show Gaga, it will give the Satanists something to play with when they go down on the goat meat.

Baphomet does not = Satan.

[Baron Samedi]

Considering my paradigm is Anti-Cosmic/Chaos-Gnostic Satanism.... There is a serious spiritual component that isn't some "dark" atheistic bullshit like LaVey's followers still spew out to this day.

Yes, there are "real" Satanists out there, who are legitimate and not some fucking angst-ridden "looking for attention" person. Quit making generalizations. We exist... Trust me.

That's like me saying all Atheists are boring, materialistic pricks. It's not the case at all.

[Saturni]

Considering my paradigm is Anti-Cosmic/Chaos-Gnostic Satanism.... There is a serious spiritual component that isn't some "dark" atheistic bullshit like LaVey's followers still spew out to this day.

Yes, there are "real" Satanists out there, who are legitimate and not some fucking angst-ridden "looking for attention" person. Quit making generalizations. We exist... Trust me.

That's like me saying all Atheists are boring, materialistic pricks. It's not the case at all.

"Real" Satanists?!?

There is only one Church of Satan. Everyone else just rides LaVey's coattails.

[Breedingvariety]

Jehovah & The arch-angels-27 The Soul Travelers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VoueRAjPhI

Jesus, Tiamat-28 The Soul Travelers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sPZMP65ZOk

Whore of Babylon & Hades-29 The Soul Travelers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Lj3gNiGCDE

Hades & Satan-30 The Soul Travelers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVdslNaWBj4

Lucifer, the Nephilim & Asmodeus-31 The Soul Travelers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RITDas6Myiw

[Joe McCarthy]

Considering my paradigm is Anti-Cosmic/Chaos-Gnostic Satanism.... There is a serious spiritual component that isn't some "dark" atheistic bullshit like LaVey's followers still spew out to this day.

Yes, there are "real" Satanists out there, who are legitimate and not some fucking angst-ridden "looking for attention" person. Quit making generalizations. We exist... Trust me.

That's like me saying all Atheists are boring, materialistic pricks. It's not the case at all.

Atheists are a void of spiritual emptiness; a vessel to be filled and people that lose much due to their ignorance of Church history, themes, etc. They lose out on much of their civilization's cultural history through lack of knowledge-lack of interest in Christianity.

Satanists on the other hand are just silly.

[Baron Samedi]

Atheists are a void of spiritual emptiness; a vessel to be filled and people that lose much due to their ignorance of Church history, themes, etc. They lose out on much of their civilization's cultural history through lack of knowledge-lack of interest in Christianity.

Satanists on the other hand are just silly.

Do you have a logical reason why Satanists are silly, other than your obvious bias?

Also, which group of Satanists are you speaking of?

[Electronic God-Man]

Sorry to veer off topic, but...

I'm curious what the Salvation Army does with the Satanic Bible or occult/parapsychology themed material (astrology, fortune telling) that folks donate to them. For instance, I read that they won't distribute donated toys that they think promote the occult (i.e., Harry Potter and Twilight) at Christmas time. Someone pointed out that they do accept toy guns, though.

Sorry. :embarrassed

I can tell you that I once bought a Ouija board from a Salvation Army store. It may or may not have been haunted.

[Pallantides]

Satanists are a bit silly, but at least the crazy ones are interesting to read about ...oh sorry I mean Devil worshippers and not Je ...whatever!

[Argyll]

Dump the Jew Boss God for the Jew Naughty God? :chin: WHY!? :shrug:

Just curious Oswy, what religion do you follow?

My opinion about Satanism is that I don't care, really. I view it with as much contempt as christianity. Like Oswy said, they're just both Jew gods. I've known two Satanists in my life and I was okay with them.

Now, we do here about the evil, human sacrificing (as if that's bad, as long as it's a willing and or animal who is treated well and not suffering, or criminal), evil maniacs, etc, but they generally aren't part of the "official" Church of Satan. The Church of Satan opperates as an organised religion, which has it's own set do dogma/doctrine.

http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/Theory.html

You must remember that the cultists and the "churchgoers" are different sects, though I don't know if either of them are doing it "right".

[Joe McCarthy]

Just curious Oswy, what religion do you follow?

My opinion about Satanism is that I don't care, really. I view it with as much contempt as christianity. Like Oswy said, they're just both Jew gods. I've known two Satanists in my life and I was okay with them.


Christianity is an integral part of the West. Satanism is a stupid hobby.

One has to be alienated from our civilization indeed to think they're in any way comparable.

[Pallantides]

Lol, that just applies to you. No go put on your corpse paint and prance around in the forest like a retard.

Taking a walk in the woods once a day is good for your health, you should try it sometimes.

[Pallantides]

I like to run naked in the woods at midnight and howl at the moon.

[Joe McCarthy]

I like to run naked in the woods at midnight and howl at the moon.

Sounds like the basis for a new religion. Maybe knock off a few passages from an obscure New Zealander's pamphlet and hope no one notices while you're at it in the process of writing the 'Naked Bible' or some such.

[Beorn]

I became a Satanist when I was 12 to get drugs and loose women. Coincidently, I started hanging around a pro-Stalinist group when I was 15 to get drugs and loose women.

[Magister Eckhart]

Vulgar bickering makes this forum less worth visiting. Keep it in PMs or on each other's visitor message boards, please.

[Absinthe]

To me it's a fad, just like most neo-religions in the West. Alternative forms of spirituality is a very profitable business.

[Eldritch]

Vulgar bickering makes this forum less worth visiting.

...

Exactly. Saturni, you need to calm down now.

[Loki]

Dump the Jew Boss God for the Jew Naughty God? :chin: WHY!? :shrug:

Well ... there's a heathen alternative and he's called Loki. :D ;)

[research_centre]

I like to run naked in the woods at midnight and howl at the moon.

Of course you do, you're Norwegian.

[Óttar]

Sorry to veer off topic, but...

I'm curious what the Salvation Army does with the Satanic Bible or occult/parapsychology themed material (astrology, fortune telling) that folks donate to them.
I actually just threw it out. I almost accidentally put it into the Salvation Army bag, which was right next to the trash. :D

I didn't want the book hanging around, not so much because I would have to justify having the "Satanic Bible", but rather the fact that I would have to justify owning a piece of crap literature plagiarised from Crowley and Redbeard.

[Magister Eckhart]

I actually just threw it out. I almost accidentally put it into the Salvation Army bag, which was right next to the trash. :D

I didn't want the book hanging around, not so much because I would have to justify having the "Satanic Bible", but rather the fact that I would have to justify owning a piece of crap literature plagiarised from Crowley and Redbeard.

I don't really feel the need to justify it; it seemed like an interesting concept and it was cheap, so I bought it. Same thing with The Devil's Notebook. I think he plaigerises Nietzsche a great deal more than Crowley or Redbeard, even. There's a lot of that silly thuggish understanding of the Übermensch in there that made Nietzsche so popular with the Nazis.

[Argyll]

I don't really feel the need to justify it; it seemed like an interesting concept and it was cheap, so I bought it. Same thing with The Devil's Notebook. I think he plaigerises Nietzsche a great deal more than Crowley or Redbeard, even. There's a lot of that silly thuggish understanding of the Übermensch in there that made Nietzsche so popular with the Nazis.

Some of LeVay's stuff is pretty interesting to read, if not a rabble of "fluffy Satan".

[Argyll]

Well ... there's a heathen alternative and he's called Loki. :D ;)

Heathenry is the best form of religion :thumb001:

[Argyll]

Sorry.. But who in their right fucking mind would want to worship some thought to be evil horned beast that lives in a pit of fire,shit,and misery? I mean really.. Come on.. Just out of curiosity, in this spectacular religion is the anti christ some form of Jesus?

The funny thing is, a long time ago, when christianity (and maybe even Judaism) was first starting, Satan was viewed as blue and hell was an icy cold place because: "it was far from the light". Satan's horns came from the Greek god Pan and the Celtic god Cernunnos. His tritan came from Poseiden. Hell's name itself comes from the Norse goddess Hel.

[Absinthe]

Hands up who thinks that "The Satanic Witch" and "Cosmopolitan" are essentially the same thing :D

[Argyll]

Hands up who thinks that "The Satanic Witch" and "Cosmopolitan" are essentially the same thing :D

:eek: Now that you've mentioned it......

[Osweo]

Just curious Oswy, what religion do you follow?


Heathenry is the best form of religion :thumb001:

Funny you should say that. ;)