What To Do About Race Traitors?

[Vulpix]

I think I can safely assume that the sight of an interracial couple on street (those where one half is white), stirs repulsion and/or anger inside of you all as it does in me.

I usually only try to give them an "icy look" (but I don't think they see it :tongue...). I wonder if someone has a more effective idea, a more obvious way of protesting that doesn't get you arrested for a "hate crime" :lightbul::p...

What is your typical reaction in this scenario?

Should we react at all?

More in general, what do you think we should do about race traitors?

What do you do when you encounter them?

Please share any thoughts / strategies :).

[Beorn]

More in general, what do you think we should do about race traitors?

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Good old tar and feathering would be good.


What do you do when you encounter them?

Usually I give the 'white' half a very long and disdainful look. They notice it alright. ;)

[Arrow Cross]

Upon encountering them, I keep silent while giving the White part - only - a quick gaze of frown and disgust. That being said, IR "couples" are still extremely rare in Hungary, I've only seen a few Black male / White female ones and I don't recall seeing any where the male was White.

When Europe reverts back to healthy societies, there would be very few aliens to mix with and even fewer will to do so. The rest should be barred from that by law, interracial children focibly aborted and the parents imprisoned.

See? There ARE good uses of abortion!

[Æmeric]

I think they should be forced to live among the kind they choose to sleep with. Normally they try to bring the non-Europid partner into the White community.

[Raven]

Socially shunning them would be effective IMO, so BeornWulfWer's tarring and feathering suggestion isn't that far off. That's what would happen back in the day if someone dated or married a foreigner, the foreigner wouldn't be accepted in the family/local community and at worst, the traitor would be disinherited. Nowadays that doesn't work, especially when it comes to the big cities, where society embraces interracialism.

[Loyalist]

The British National Front has the best policy for dealing with race-mixers, that being the individual in question is forcefully repatriated to their non-Europid spouse's place of origin. Extreme measures are required in this matter, as the mainstream of western society today reacts with revulsion towards hostility directed at mixed-race couples.

[Sigurd]

The British National Front has the best policy for dealing with race-mixers, that being the individual in question is forcefully repatriated to their non-Europid spouse's place of origin. Extreme measures are required in this matter, as the mainstream of western society today reacts with revulsion towards hostility directed at mixed-race couples.

Actually, I do not think that repatriation of miscegenators solves any problem. Should they have a problem with such a matter in their own country at some point, who will stop them from wishing to shove them back to be a burden to us? We would not wish another country to send their bastards over, so why should we send ours over? Remember, it may always come back to you at some point. As such, it is a selfish view that could well be a solution for the short term, but is probably not a long-term solution when looking at the bigger picture. :rolleyes:

[Loyalist]

Actually, I do not think that repatriation of miscegenators solves any problem. Should they have a problem with such a matter in their own country at some point, who will stop them from wishing to shove them back to be a burden to us? We would not wish another country to send their bastards over, so why should we send ours over? Remember, it may always come back to you at some point. As such, it is a selfish view that could well be a solution for the short term, but is probably not a long-term solution when looking at the bigger picture. :rolleyes:

We don't accept them back. Keep in mind what I've highlighted could not be done within a democratic system to begin with.

[Skandi]

I tend to give the look of disgust too they notice but I'm afraid that, they'll just put it down to another bigoted racist, I have tried talking to some work colleges who like black men (the girls are Czech) I might even have got through to one of them after the third guy also treated her like a possession but I'm not holding my breath.

[Arrow Cross]

The British National Front has the best policy for dealing with race-mixers, that being the individual in question is forcefully repatriated to their non-Europid spouse's place of origin. Extreme measures are required in this matter, as the mainstream of western society today reacts with revulsion towards hostility directed at mixed-race couples.
I'm okay with that too. After all, at least they wouldn't waste taxpayers' money in prison and would get an ironic share of Africa's(in most cases) beauty.

[Æmeric]

Actually, I do not think that repatriation of miscegenators solves any problem. Should they have a problem with such a matter in their own country at some point, who will stop them from wishing to shove them back to be a burden to us? We would not wish another country to send their bastards over, so why should we send ours over? Remember, it may always come back to you at some point. As such, it is a selfish view that could well be a solution for the short term, but is probably not a long-term solution when looking at the bigger picture. :rolleyes:Well then maybe a special "lepers" colony in some godforsaken place. As for sending them to the country of the non-Europid partner, why not? The usual reason miscegenation takes place (excepting US Negroes) is because these non-Europid countries are shoving the excess population off on the West.

Remember, it may always come back to you at some point. Only if we let it. We did to get some backbone in regards to human migration.

[SouthernBoy]

I may be going soft, but I say forgive them. It's a case of "all's well that ends well," I think. :)

[Æmeric]

I may be going soft, but I say forgive them. It's a case of "all's well that ends well," I think. :)
And how would you define a "all's well that ends well" ending? More mixraced offspring of these unions contributing to our diversity? The more of these couples there, the more normal it becomes. There needs to be a stigma attached to these kinds of relationships & for that there needs to be consequences.

[SouthernBoy]

And how would you define a "all's well that ends well" ending? The racemixers repent before having had children and find mates of their own race.
The more of these couples there, the more normal it becomes. There needs to be a stigma attached to these kinds of relationships & for that there needs to be consequences. There needs to be no way these relationships can take place. Banning miscegenation is the first step and racial segregation is the second.

I envision something like a "multiracial zone" where displaced racemixers may govern themselves.

[Arrow Cross]

And how would you define a "all's well that ends well" ending? More mixraced offspring of these unions contributing to our diversity? The more of these couples there, the more normal it becomes. There needs to be a stigma attached to these kinds of relationships & for that there needs to be consequences.
Well, he appearently found something "romantic" in miscegenation, as seen in the other thread, so I guess there is little to discuss here.

[Allenson]

Alas, there isn't much we can do in the present--from a legal standpoint, meaning.

As others have noted, about all we can do is to socially scorn them without putting ourselves at risk.

I do indeed favour a repatriation effort but there's no way in hell that is happening anytime soon.

Luckily, I don't see many where I live. :thumbs up

[Widukind]

We can't do anything with them, they are lost. The least what we can is having big families with minimum 3 children and give them good, cultural (ethnical) education.

[The Dragonslayer]

I'm so disgusted by it. I'm constantly seeing white girls around here with either black guys or Mexicans. Most of the time if I see a white guy with a non-white girl she's Asian of some sort. It makes me sick. I want to throw up. Whites should not be mixing with non-whites. It ticks me off even more when they've had children. If I had my own country, there would be no non-whites here. Otherwise it would be a crime to be involved interracially. The punishment would have to be something so severe that it would keep most people from even entertaining the thought. I don't see anything wrong with the deportation idea. Make them go live in the country of their minority lover. We don't want them here.

[SouthernBoy]

Well, he appearently found something "romantic" in miscegenation, as seen in the other thread, so I guess there is little to discuss here. Which thread was that?

[Vulpix]

He's talking about the Tolkien miscegenation poll... :p


Which thread was that?

[Vulpix]

May I kindly ask you to focus your replies more on your personal reaction/behavior towards miscegenators :).

Here is a brand new thread specifically for your prescriptive recipes on miscegenation: Society and Miscegenators (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=415).

[Celtic Knight]

I honestly feel sick to my stomach when I see them, usually I give the White party an icy glare whilst shaking my head. To me race traitors become what they associate with...like Heidi Klum and Seal...what the h**l were you thinking Heidi??

The only thing we can do about it is to teach our children that mixing is WRONG.

[The Dragonslayer]

It's always bad to be a race traitor, but it sickens me even more to sick a white woman with a really ugly black guy. Such as Heidi Klum with Seal since they were mentioned.

[Oresai]

What is your typical reaction in this scenario?

Should we react at all?

More in general, what do you think we should do about race traitors?

What do you do when you encounter them?

I`ve never really encountered it. Growing up in the highlands of Scotland, it was ages before I saw a black man (and loudly announced in the bus we were on why hadn`t he had a wash?..:o) and here in Orkney, black people were rare til recently. When I moved to this island twenty years ago, the local GP was a black man from Ghana. (not sure of spelling, will change it later if wrong)
His attitude toward women reflected his homeland..."women don`t have `troubles`"...this to my rather serious fibroid problem...and, "Where I come from , a woman will give birth then half an hour later be out in the fields working with the child upon her back"....this to my daughter who was losing the baby she was carrying.
No, not joking....he was a qualified surgeon but unqualified as a GP but British law means people like him can still practice. He is retired now, thank the gods, and our present doctor is Dutch. :)
Now, it seems the main group of incomers in Orkney are Thai, with foolish Orcadian men buying brides abroad then bringing them home only to have them clean out the bank balance as they vanish to London or elsewhere with their kids. :rolleyes:
I am not sure what I`d do if I encountered it, mainly because I assume they already meet with disapproval or conversely are so used to getting loving support from misguided others who aim for that `coffee coloured` future of the human race, they wouldn`t care about my opinion.
I do like Aemeric`s idea of making them live in the homeland of their partner though.
I have seen a few talk shows, where stupid teenage girls are wooed and won by muslim immigrants. They wed, convert, breed. Then appear on the shows bleating about his beating them, or cheating, or keeping them prisoner in their homes....
I gave up watching when I found myself snarling at the screen, "What the feck did you think was going to happen? Look at the muslim communities around you, you eejit..." :o

[Fortis in Arduis]

It is, however, a question of degree as well. Not all white people should pair with all white people.

We should promote 'optimum outbreeding', and quite apart from offering genetic counselling to existing couples to eliminate genetic disease, bodies could be set up to arrange voluntary DNA match-ups by computer.

It all sounds rather futuristic and scary but I would see in the future where people group themselves together according to genetics.

We will soon enough have the technology to do this. The very first priniciple in choosing a partner should ideally be whether or not your genes match up nicely.

Many foetuses do not go to term because the genes do not match up. I seem to recall reading that some mitochondrial-RNA does not match up very well with some DNA. Surely the risk is greater with interracial couples?

If there is clear scientific evidence that racial mixing is troublesome from a medical point of view (we already know that biracial people are more likely to commit certain crimes, we have all that on file...) and that there are social consequences too, despite everyones' best intentions, biracial people are not always happy about it, then surely we should in the interests of human kindness, try to encourage sensible pairings?

Also: The chances of finding a tissue match for an interracial person are about ...... 0.000000000000000000000000001% :eek:

Do people not realise that there may even be other negative consequences which we do not even know about yet?

I would even go so far as to encourage voluntary genetic discrimination in access to social housing. *:lightbul:*

Social housing is a huge sector in Britain. Given the choice I think that most people would jump at the chance to be offered race-specific social housing. Better chance of getting on with your neighbours, more likelihood of meeting a partner like yourself. I think that it could be very helpful. Race-specific social housing should be set up exclusively for phenotypes which are native to the local area, and in Europe that can be VERY specific. ;)

I have raised the idea of race-specific social housing before and it went down like a lead balloon, but I think that is a winner, not for governments, capitalist, socialist, fascists or multinational drug companies, but for people and communities, yes.

[Revenant]

I think I can safely assume that the sight of an interracial couple on street (those where one half is white), stirs repulsion and/or anger inside of you all as it does in me.

I usually only try to give them an "icy look" (but I don't think they see it :tongue...). I wonder if someone has a more effective idea, a more obvious way of protesting that doesn't get you arrested for a "hate crime" :lightbul::p...

What is your typical reaction in this scenario?

Privately I am repulsed but outwardly, no reaction at all.


Should we react at all?

No. I think misceginators in the main are mentally possibly genetically defective attention seekers. You react they get what they want.

The minority that aren't nutcases are usually extremely ugly or fat.


More in general, what do you think we should do about race traitors?


If it was up to me: Revoke citizenship and deport.


What do you do when you encounter them?

Apart from what I have already said above, I try to remove myself from their presence as quickly as possible.

[Pino]

Anybody who has had intercourse with a none White has gone past the point of no return in my opinion, at the very least they should be steralised as they cannot be trusted to use there sex organs productively, at worst any who have got a house full of mixed race children thanks to there racial crimes should be publicly executed.

[MarcvSS]

Simple... Take one race traitor, put him against a wall, form a nice pile of bricks, get some crazy skinheads in there, and the rest you all can guess looks to me...

Repeat that effort till no puke race puke traitors puke are left... This method can even be used for amusement purposes...

[Gooding]

Very good question and one I think deserves an honest answer.Race traitors have betrayed their race and therefore should not be considered as a member of the people they turned their backs on.I would not consider as white someone who is constantly hostile to other whites.Short answer, but I think it proves my point.

[Sigurd]

I tend to just give them the blank stare. If everyone stares at them disapprovingly, showing them that they're not accepted, that will create social stigma for them and make them feal at unease. Trying to convince them, unless you share a space with them such as class, work or a circle of friends, that their ways are erroneous will just get them their anger at your being "so racist" and will not make them think: "Hell, why is he looking at me with such a blank look?"

If it concerns any of my friends or associates partaking in such a relationship, I would however make them aware of the implications and dangers of an inter-racial relationship. I would let them know that it was their call - but that they should be very wary and could not expect any type of sympathy from me over their errors. I wouldn't immediately give them all seven Hells, that is counterproductive --- I'd just let them feel that it is not appreciated in a subtle, well-portioned manner in the attempt that they will ask themselves as to the backgrounds to my sudden indifference to their problems and start to doubt themselves. You can't force someone to see, you can only point them towards the door - they have to open it themselves.

Since the latter situation has however not yet occurred, I have not yet had any call to make use of such matters. I do not tend to hang around conscienteous miscegenators by nature, for some reason none of my closer friends have yet disappointed me, with the maximum extent to which they have resorted being casual sex with a foreign racial. :coffee:


Well then maybe a special "lepers" colony in some godforsaken place.

Actually, that tends to be my favourite solution to the problem. Ship them all off to Madagascar or Southern Patagonia or Jewish Autonomous Oblast, or something like that. :thumb001:

It would both be best for either of the parent countries and also save them from the social stigma from either of the countries, and they'll be able to live in their multi-racial paradise there.

It is at the same time the most humanitarian method, as well as the one which most decidedly keeps the countries clear of those of their subjects engaging in such shennanigans, better for both countries' long-term welfare.


As for sending them to the country of the non-Europid partner, why not? The usual reason miscegenation takes place (excepting US Negroes) is because these non-Europid countries are shoving the excess population off on the West.

One might wish to adapt that slightly. We cannot on one hand claim that the man should be the provider and that the woman should be the one moving in with the man, not the other way around --- and then claim that one of ours seeing a foreign woman should come to hers.

Adopting a position where the woman goes to the country of the male would effectively get rid of over 95% of the Black/White relationships in most countries except those with a colonial past, where the matter is more complex and a different solution would need to be found, such as the leper colony.

It would not get rid of the White male/Asian female relationships, but since these mail order brides as a general rule tend to ruin their husbands financially and then walk out, chances are that they can still be shipped off at a latter stage, whilst they be receiving the social stigma of being a mixed couple aforehand.

As soon as children are involved with either of all these relationships, then it is evident that the family can stay in no country, and that the other country be sending their racial bastards back at some point would only seem possible. As such, the existence of a "leper colony" would be excellent there, where all the mixed-race parents and their families should be shipped to.

Alternatively, one could just aim at general society giving them a social stigma for so long until they leave voluntarily for not being considered members of society, to a place which treats them less hostile: And there will usually always be such a place. And if they don't leave over it, then at least their children or grandchildren will, whilst an ever decreasing number will want to mate with their kind for the social stigma it entails.

[Fortis in Arduis]

Anybody who has had intercourse with a none White has gone past the point of no return in my opinion, at the very least they should be steralised as they cannot be trusted to use there sex organs productively, at worst any who have got a house full of mixed race children thanks to there racial crimes should be publicly executed.

Interesting opinions, but not very electable... :D

[Pino]

Interesting opinions, but not very electable... :D

indeed, but I'm not a politician :)

[SuuT]

[...]What is your typical reaction in this scenario?

Confusion. My first thoughts are always along the lines of, "If this same woman were dropped by parachute smack into the middle of sub-Saharan Africa she might see things a little differently." But I digress. - after all, America now has a half-caste bastard for a President whose mother lies down for every race on the earth other than her own. So, perhaps I'm a little too optimistic to think that these 'white' women with black men would be all that affected by being made to walk around with animal faeces on their heads in a display of submission to their husband.


should we react at all?

We should; however, we (the West) no longer lives in a cultural milieu of Shame and Honour. Moreover, the taboo has been tactically obliterated: we are considered the nutters.


More in general, what do you think we should do about race traitors?

PM me. ;)


What do you do when you encounter them?

VERY situationally dependent, for me.

I noticed that most people in this thread say that they turn their disdain toward the 'white' individual in the encounter. For whatever reason, that is never my immediate impetus; but always secondary. I guess this lies in my perception of who is, ultimately, gaining the advantage in a bi-racial union with a 'white'. - I want the other race to know that I know what their up to.

[Sigurd]

at worst any who have got a house full of mixed race children thanks to there racial crimes should be publicly executed.

That, I am afraid will not solve any issues, instead just create further issues. If you execute both parents for their miscegenation, who will provide for the children's new accomodation in an orphanage? The tax-payer? :rolleyes:



I noticed that most people in this thread say that they turn their disdain toward the 'white' individual in the encounter. For whatever reason, that is never my immediate impetus; but always secondary. I guess this lies in my perception of who is, ultimately, gaining the advantage in a bi-racial union with a 'white'. - I want the other race to know that I know what their up to.

I feel that we can only direct our immediate scorn at members of our own folk. How the foreign racial is treated by his folk, is entirely up to them, he was a member of their society and it is their call to accept him as such, or to condemn him. We cannot exclude a member from our society if they have never been part of it to begin with. ;)

Of course, I also feel disdain towards an African-descended man gaining advantage from an inter-racial union with a European-descended woman and will hardly applaud him for his choice. However, what he chooses to do is hardly my business. It is the choices of my own folk which I will seek to target. Why focus upon others not of our folk?

If it happens on the soil of my forebears, it is only my business to the extent of 1) the bearing it has upon members of my folk, and 2) upon my folk in general. Condemnation for the foreign part to the union must come from his own background, especially since I doubt he'd be much insulted deeper than superficially if I wished to exclude him from something I'd never consider him part of anyhow.

[Pino]

VERY situationally dependent, for me.

I noticed that most people in this thread say that they turn their disdain toward the 'white' individual in the encounter. For whatever reason, that is never my immediate impetus; but always secondary. I guess this lies in my perception of who is, ultimately, gaining the advantage in a bi-racial union with a 'white'. - I want the other race to know that I know what their up to.

too me every time it is the White person in the relationship who I always put my anger towards, 99/100 it is a White Female with a none white Male. White Women (when they look after themselfs) are the most beautiful and cherished life forms on the earth, absolutely any human being can clearly see this compared to most of these negro Women who are repulsive, or 3 foot chineese Women, or Pakistanni Women who need to shave more than there Husbands!

So I dont blame a none white for wanting a White Woman, White Women seem to be a prized possesion of Black men and I dont blame them for it, I will never blame a Negro for acting like a Negro, it seems people put up news articles of the latest discusting act a Negro has partaken in and the responses are that of the Negro should not be doing these sort of things when he definately should as they are animal like.

I will however blame all day long a White person who does not act like a White person should.

[MarcvSS]

That, I am afraid will not solve any issues, instead just create further issues. If you execute both parents for their miscegenation, who will provide for the children's new accomodation in an orphanage? The tax-payer? :rolleyes: No the execution platoon...

[SuuT]

[...]I feel that we can only direct our immediate scorn at members of our own folk.

And such is your incling. - Both 'work', incidentally: I simply have the welfare of my own, first and foremost, in my 'consideration'; not that you do not - it is simply how misegeneation (the manifestation of it - 'in my face', as it were), animates my reaction: I expect more from a people capable of far more introspection; and, therefore - instinctually - hold them more accountable than the vulture at their side. Analagously, if you were able to form a union with a woman that you knew would better your line - would you not pursue her...?


How the foreign racial is treated by his folk, is entirely up to them, he was a member of their society and it is their call to accept him as such, or to condemn him.

If only things could be plugged into such a simplistic schemata! Do you, or do you not think, that the "collective unconscious" of the Black, acknowledges that it is in their best interest to breed with a Europid/oid varient? Be honest, now! - Mores and Folkways of any given culture give way to the gravity of evolutionary advantage.


We cannot exclude a member from our society if they have never been part of it to begin with.

Sure we can, brother! But first, you, by logical necessity, are required to define what has, and has not, been part of [our] society "to begin with''.


Of course, I also feel disdain towards an African-descended man gaining advantage from an inter-racial union with a European-descended woman and will hardly applaud him for his choice. However, what he chooses to do is hardly my business.

It is this egalitarian attitude (that is the outcome and host of the Christian Neurosis) that has engrossed us in the modern muck and mire that is taken advatage of at every turn amongst lower castes and/or non-Europids/oids that wish - with all of their heart, and souls, to obliterate you - from the face of the earth.

It's time to start taking things such as this personally, Sigurd. - they mistake kindness for weakness.


It is the choices of my own folk which I will seek to target. Why focus upon others not of our folk?

Because it is a noble act to give the benefit of the doubt to our own, regardless of some incipient mental retrogression or retardation induced, by proxy, from alien elements.


If it happens on the soil of my forebears, it is only my business to the extent of 1) the bearing it has upon members of my folk, and 2) upon my folk in general. Condemnation for the foreign part to the union must come from his own background, especially since I doubt he'd be much insulted deeper than superficially if I wished to exclude him from something I'd never consider him part of anyhow.

Already dealt with.


too me every time it is the White person in the relationship who I always put my anger towards, 99/100 it is a White Female with a none white Male. White Women (when they look after themselfs) are the most beautiful and cherished life forms on the earth, absolutely any human being can clearly see this compared to most of these negro Women who are repulsive, or 3 foot chineese Women, or Pakistanni Women who need to shave more than there Husbands!

:D


So I dont blame a none white for wanting a White Woman, White Women seem to be a prized possesion of Black men and I dont blame them for it, I will never blame a Negro for acting like a Negro, it seems people put up news articles of the latest discusting act a Negro has partaken in and the responses are that of the Negro should not be doing these sort of things when he definately should as they are animal like.

The issue is, then, accountability. Who, if not me or you, will hold them accountable...? THAT - is the question. Tell me where I am wrong.


...I will however blame all day long a White person who does not act like a White person should.

Certain 'whites' will act in accord with the socio-cultural milieu that is crammed down their gullets on an instant to intant to instant basis.


We are an intensely stratified Race, when considered as a whole (psychometrically/pysiologically). This is nothing but the signature of an Aristocratic race. To hold one, who is not capable of understanding anything beyond what they are told is right by the 'forces that be', is unjust. Ergo, we flush-out the invader; and, re-educate the individual who has done NOTHING other than act in accordace with the accepted mores of his or her societies.

[Pino]

The issue is, then, accountability. Who, if not me or you, will hold them accountable...? THAT - is the question. Tell me where I am wrong.

I'd say the politicians who allowed them to roam free in our neighborhoods are responsbible for the actions of a Negro just like a Governor of a prison would be accountable should he release all his criminally insane murdering inmates out.

[Cosmic Nordic Supremacy]

What to do with of race-mixers, or what we shall more fittingly call, for mix can be too positive a word: race-diluters, race-debasers, race-debauchers, race-bastardizers, race-spoilers, race-perverters, race-subverters, race-ruiners, race-wasters, race-desolators, race-extinguishers, race-obliviators, race-poisoners or -- perhaps most appropriately -- race-destroyers.

[...] what should be decisive in any case in which anyone, because of the arbitrariness of his individual will and his passivity toward the impulses and feelings of his body, favours a contanimation of race, is an inner motion combined with a clear consciousness of his utter treachery towards his own blood and his ancestors and his crime in regard to his descendants.

[SOURCE: Evola, "The Elements of Racial Education" p. 14]

What to do y'all ask. Let it suffice to say that they'll be a done deed one fine day, having had their own and final taste of ruin, desolation and destruction -- RAHOWA. ;)

[Freomæg]

Allow me to play Devil's Advocate for a moment:


what do you think we should do about race traitors?
We must acknowledge the fact that in their own eyes, they have betrayed nothing! We can call them 'race traitors', but the term is only meaningful in light of our conservative worldview. Clearly, we all believe our worldview to be objectively correct, but we must first - before placing blame - understand that not everyone thinks like us. The modern perspective teaches that there are no separate races, just one world race. This is the crux of the issue and until the sanctity of race and culture is once again revered, universally, the grounds on which we call people 'traitors' will remain marginal.

I'd also like to point out that miscegenation is as detrimental to the African/Asian race as it is the European race. The only difference perhaps being that the white European race is under greater threat so our plight is more severe.

As an aside, I agree that the two most common mixed race couples are black-male/white-female and white-male/asian-female. Unfortunately, my Father has just signed up for the second category :(.

[Vulpix]

As an aside, I agree that the two most common mixed race couples are black-male/white-female and white-male/asian-female. Unfortunately, my Father has just signed up for the second category :(.

:(!
Perhaps material for another thread: how do you deal with that?

[Freomæg]

:(!
Perhaps material for another thread: how do you deal with that?
Well, it's a new development, so I'm still deciding. What I do know is that I am not like my Father so it doesn't affect my future decision-making. Fortunately, he won't be having any new children with this Chinese lady, and for me that's the most important thing.

[Brynhild]

People used to be banished for crimes committed against their kinfolk. Such an effective tool, used so little ...

I'm starting to see it more, much to my disdain. My reaction is usually to the man (I've yet to see it the other way around) and I think "Seriously, is it really that hard to stick with your own kind?" I am bewildered to say the least.

I'm of the opinion that those blokes who choose Asian/African women are those blokes who prefer a woman that has learned to be subservient to her man. Bloody bullies! They haven't the guile to handle a fiery Germanic woman of good stock?

For those women who choose Asian/African men they may be disillusioned by what they see as mundane and are attracted to the exotic? Nothing exotic there, and most definitely not the colour of their old fella!

I don't know what possesses them to be quite honest. All I can do at this point is instill the importance of upholding our heritage to my kids. The oldest has caught on, the other two aren't quite mature enough to see the bigger picture just yet.

Fortunately, we live in a predominantly Germanic environment, a village tucked away from the city fringes. I'm hopeful that since it's a tad too far from the city for those (mostly) Asians who run their businesses up there, they'll stay up there.

[Atlas]

There's nothing much we can do against "race-traitors" in Europe or America. Beating them up would just bring us to jail for "racial hatred" so I guess we can just type here or elsewhere how wrong it is to date any non-white guys/girls.

I'm really jaded of this PC crap.

[Steffan]

I just moved from the US to Malmö, Sweden because I've come to love Europe, especially the Nordic countries, and the US is a pretty bad place to live.

Malmö was possibly a poor choice of cities. It seems at best this city is half populated by Swedes. Mercifully I haven't seen too many public displays of race treason but when I do, it's nothing short of heartbreaking and enraging. Sweden (and of course all of Europe) needs a swift and complete purge of non-Europeans. I'm afraid only in my dreams will such a thing happen. The only thing worse is the generally apathetic attitude towards race treason and the destruction of the Nordic gene pool. I was really happy to find this site, especially to see this thread started by a Sweden. Cheers, Arctic Fox!

As a newcomer to my culturally home continent, I hope I can be a positive force here. I was nothing short of gleeful with the results of the recent EU election. Nearly brought a tear to my eye to see the BNP and PVV get seats.

Sorry if it's off-topic, I just found this thread while Googling for a community discussing race treason in Sweden :)

[Brännvin]

Malmö was possibly a poor choice of cities. It seems at best this city is half populated by Swedes.

Where this source come from?

If you are not a Swedish Scanian then remove their flags please!

[Steffan]

Where this source come from?

If you are not a Swedish Scanian then remove their flags please!

Oh I thought those were simply for current location. Ok, I'll update.

I have no official census source or anything like, I'm just saying, walking around here, doesn't really feel like I'm in the homeland of Swedes...

[Brännvin]

Oh I thought those were simply for current location. Ok, I'll update.

Assumed that is a liar..



I have no official census source or anything like, I'm just saying, walking around here, doesn't really feel like I'm in the homeland of Swedes...

Malmö is just the homeland of Scanians, not of Swedes. Swedes are native of Svealand, not Skåneland ;)

Now, remove the flags as a gentleman :)

[Cato]

I think they should be forced to live among the kind they choose to sleep with. Normally they try to bring the non-Europid partner into the White community.

This makes quite a lot of sense and is the best way to educate someone as to the lifestyles of certain, ahem, less-developed peoples.

[Steffan]

Assumed that is a liar..

I really have no idea what you're on about.



Malmö is just the homeland of Scanians, not of Swedes. Swedes are native of Svealand, not Skåneland ;)

Now, remove the flags as a gentleman :)


You need to relax.

[Aemma]

Where this source come from?

If you are not a Swedish Scanian then remove their flags please!

Hi Balder, :)

Though I appreciate the sense of nationalism in your request, to the best of my knowledge we have all been able to place whatever flags we want in order to determine one's location; some of our members have even posted some other countries' flags in their profile sidebars to denote a certain allegiance to said chosen country. There is nothing untoward about that. Given that White Bread is now living in Sweden I do not think it unreasonable for him to proudly display said flag in his bio sidebar.

Thank you for your understanding. :)

Cheers!...Aemma

[The Lawspeaker]

I think that race-mixing is a secondary problem. The real problem is mass immigration so my solution is plain and simple:

1. Take the honey away from the bear: send the mass waves of immigrants home and limit the involvement with abroad- thus limiting the chance of someone acquiring a non-western spouse.

2. Those race-mixing couples that still have a decent background and a good job and a stable marriage life should be either asked to 1) adopt local children, 2) not to have children or 3) leave the country with full honor and go to a place where they cannot do much genetic damage. If children have already been born there is not much that can be done. Let's just bring those race-mixed children together at a later age and encourage them to stay with each other or encourage the family as a whole to leave the country with full honor.

3. Break all the ("PC fashion") other couples up by kicking out the non-western spouse out and re-educating and later on rehabilitating the western spouse. People make mistakes, teach them the good thing and get over it. Why are they dating foreign ? 1) Because the education system and press always told them that it is good. 2) Because they don't know any better and 3) Most important: because they are available and 4) let's look inward just for once: because we local people, their own kin, never bothered to give them an alternative. Our societies have been eaten away and we can not afford to cast out individuals that have been misled. We'll need our kin---- all of it.

[Brännvin]

I really have no idea what you're on about.

And you're just a worthless troll here.. :eek:



You need to relax.

Now that you removed my flags, yes. And now you can return to the Anthroforum if this is possible :D :thumb001:

[Brännvin]

Remove the Swedish too, if possible as a gentleman!

[Steffan]

I think that race-mixing is a secondary problem. The real problem is mass immigration.

This is exactly correct. And of course race-mixing is only one of the many, many secondary problems associated with mass immigration.

I like the rest of your plan. It really is necessary to cut off the mixed couples like a diseased limb and send them all away together. Then everyone left can rebuild.

When thinking of World War II, everyone laments it as a tragedy. Problem is that most think it a tragedy for all the wrong reasons. The real tragedy was the shrinking of the German homeland, the PC atmosphere that emerged, and the mass import of foreigners to replace the men killed serving in war. Then you had black American soldiers impregnating German women, Indian and African soldiers serving in France and the UK doing the same, and then staying. It's just depressing to even think about.

[Aemma]

Remove the Swedish too, if possible as a gentleman!


Balder,

This is not for you to ask at the moment as far as I'm concerned. Please read my post to you above #51 and please read and respond to the PM I have sent you.

Thank you for your cooperation.

...Aemma

[Steffan]

Remove the Swedish too, if possible as a gentleman!

What would you have me replace it with?

[The Lawspeaker]

What would you have me replace it with?
Your own, I think :) Just keep your American flag for a while until you have decided to stay in Sweden and become a Swede.

Do you have Swedish family ? A spouse ? Any claims to being Swedish ? Do you speak the language ?

[Kempenzoon]

So is this about what we as individuals can do about race traitors? Because that's been said before here, in this current society, sadly nothing.

As to what society should do about race traitors ...

IMO: First act, conditio sine qua non: stop further immigration.

Then:

A) If they had children already or test positive for STDs or the European partner is male: deport both or remove them in another way from society.

B) Childless, healthy women -> re-educate as per LS's proposal nr 3.

Yeah, I guess I may sound sexist for treating women and men differently, but I believe women shouldn't be thrown out as easily as men since a lack of women is more dangerous to preservation than a lack of men is.

[Steffan]

Your own, I think :) Just keep your American flag for a while until you have decided to stay in Sweden and become a Swede.

Do you have Swedish family ? A spouse ? Any claims to being Swedish ? Do you speak the language ?

No. I could live here my whole life and I'd never be Swedish. :p

[Aemma]

Ok, this stops right now guys. Stick to the topic. If either one of you wants to discuss the appropriateness of the use of flags, please start another thread in the Off-Topic or The Lounge sections.

Thanks...Aemma--Administrator

[The Lawspeaker]

No. I could live here my whole life and I'd never be Swedish. :p
Then don't fly the flag and go home as you are part of the problem then.:p


EDIT: sorry Aemma. I'll leave it at this.

[Brännvin]

Hi Balder, :)

Though I appreciate the sense of nationalism in your request, to the best of my knowledge we have all been able to place whatever flags we want in order to determine one's location; some of our members have even posted some other countries' flags in their profile sidebars to denote a certain allegiance to said chosen country. There is nothing untoward about that. Given that White Bread is now living in Sweden I do not think it unreasonable for him to proudly display said flag in his bio sidebar.

Thank you for your understanding. :)

Cheers!...Aemma

He is not an ethnic Swedish, then he should not use the Swedish flag it doens't belong to him, that's all..

[Lady L]

Doesn't a name like White Bread just make you ask yourself if this dude is for real ...? Or a jokester ...? Anyway lol at White Bread :D

Yours truly,

Wheat Bread :cool:

[Aemma]

Your own, I think :) Just keep your American flag for a while until you have decided to stay in Sweden and become a Swede.

Do you have Swedish family ? A spouse ? Any claims to being Swedish ? Do you speak the language ?


Tristan, again this is also not for you to decide. Do none of you read my posts here? :rolleyes: Kindly refer to post #51.

Until such has been cleared up as to the how the flags are to be used, kindly refrain from making such statements. As I've previously mentioned, off the top of my head I know of two other members who have chosen to use other countries' flags to denote other things/stances/whatever.

And I am requesting that this flag issue be discussed in another thread. Please keep this thread topical.

Thank you for your cooperation.

[The Lawspeaker]

Asking my question somewhere else.

[Steffan]

Doesn't a name like White Bread just make you ask yourself if this dude is for real ...? Or a jokester ...? Anyway lol at White Bread :D

Yours truly,

Wheat Bread :cool:

Haha, my typical username is first intial + last name and not that I'm not open about my beliefs, I just want to keep postings here a bit separated from the rest of my personal...googleability. Know what I mean? I couldn't think of anything else. I'll change it later (if possible) if I can think of something better.

[Aemma]

He is not an ethnic Swedish, then he should not use the Swedish flag it doens't belong to him, that's all..

Balder,

I'm expecting an answer to my PM please.

Bring this issue in another thread if it is something you care to discuss.

[Loki]

Balder, you are not a moderator and no-one has given you the go-ahead to bully new members. Listen to Aemma, she is wise as always.

[The Lawspeaker]

the European partner is male:Men can also be rehabilitated. Both men and women have been poisoned by years of multicultural propaganda.
And both men and women need to be re-educated.

[Útrám]

The "race traitor" label strikes me as absurd. How can these "traitors" betray something which they were never loyal to in the first place?

[sturmwalkure]

The "race traitor" label strikes me as absurd. How can these "traitors" betray something which they were never loyal to in the first place?

I agree... if they were racially loyal in the first place they wouldn't be race-mixing. Another thing about the "color blind" crowd, is they deny there is such thing as race, yet they're willing to throw the "racist" label on anyone against interracial relationships, and anyone who doesn't want non-Whites in White countries.

[Kempenzoon]

Men can also be rehabilitated. Both men and women have been poisoned by years of multicultural propaganda.


Yes. They can and they have.

But I consider them less worthwhile of the effort spent on re-education, they're not as necessary and more easily replaced. While the perfect society has 100 men for 100 women, if there has to be an imbalance (which there always will be) - more women than men is always preferrable since single/sexually frustrated can cause much more damage to society than single women.

Plus, there's the fact that men are usually more stubborn and radical. Women are more shallow in their ideology, more impressionable and easier lead astray, thus also easier to set straight again. Re-education doesn't take as much of an effort with them.

[The Lawspeaker]

Yes. They can and they have.

But I consider them less worthwhile of the effort spent on re-education, they're not as necessary and more easily replaced. While the perfect society has 100 men for 100 women, if there has to be an imbalance (which there always will be) - more women than men is always preferrable since single/sexually frustrated can cause much more damage to society than single women.
I think you are wrong there. Sexually frustrated women can be just as bad or even worse since... they can get pregnant if they travel abroad.
So that's why you need both the men and the women- anyways I think that we men have been marginalized for too long. And apparently even by fellow men LOL.



Plus, there's the fact that men are usually more stubborn and radical. Women are more shallow in their ideology, more impressionable and easier lead astray, thus also easier to set straight again. Re-education doesn't take as much of an effort with them.
Now now... come on. As far as I can remember I am a bloke like yourself and I was raised in the system, raised with multiculturalism, raised with the very ideas we are trying to combat here. And I saw the light. Don't be too negative or in view of your second remark " doesn't take as much of an effort with them" plain lazy.
Both men and women need to have an alternative- and frankly I think that the main reason why healthy normal Dutch and Flemish men date foreign girls (like I did) can be found in the (face it) completely effed up, materialistic, hedonistic, downright selfish character of a lot of Dutch and Flemish women now have and the developments that have taken place over the last 30 years leading to that character that turned a lot of them into spoiled little princesses. (Perhaps more so in the Netherlands then in Flanders).

No it isn't fair to blame it all on the women but it is the second feminist wave that is in part to blame. The complete and utter mistake that the 1960's and '70's were.

[Aemma]

Yes. They can and they have.

But I consider them less worthwhile of the effort spent on re-education, they're not as necessary and more easily replaced. While the perfect society has 100 men for 100 women, if there has to be an imbalance (which there always will be) - more women than men is always preferrable since single/sexually frustrated can cause much more damage to society than single women.

Plus, there's the fact that men are usually more stubborn and radical. Women are more shallow in their ideology, more impressionable and easier lead astray, thus also easier to set straight again. Re-education doesn't take as much of an effort with them.

:eek: I beg your pardon?

[Aliandrin]

Why not just do what a Jew would do and report the white half for child abuse if they live in your community? Claim the abuse is racially motivated. "Oh, Mr. Police Officer, you know, she called her poor innocent baby the N word, and she starves him, belittles him, calls him fat and disgusting... I just can't listen to it anymore, not in my own town! I find that kind of racism despicable!" ...And, cry a little.







Of course, I'm not serious. Really and truly, only devious and inhuman individual would do that.

[Groenewolf]

Plus, there's the fact that men are usually more stubborn and radical. Women are more shallow in their ideology, more impressionable and easier lead astray, thus also easier to set straight again. Re-education doesn't take as much of an effort with them.

I remember something German anti-terror forces had said about the RAF, shoot the women because they are the most fanatic.

[Smaland]

In the United States, the state legislatures could re-institute the laws against miscegenation and interracial marriages, which were done away with in the last century.

This does nothing about what has already occurred, but the force of law could be used to strike fear into the hearts of those who were thinking about it.

[SwordoftheVistula]

In the United States, the state legislatures could re-institute the laws against miscegenation and interracial marriages, which were done away with in the last century.

The federal courts threw those out. Some states still have them on the books, they just can't enforce them.

[Kempenzoon]

:eek: I beg your pardon?

If women become radical, in my experience, it's usually (not always) because they like to please the radical men. You notice it in every extreme scene: islamism, neo-nazism, misanthropic black metal, heathen reconstructionism, communism ...

In the extremist couples I know of, whether left- or right-wing, whether atheist or religious, the male was always the leading party while the woman simply followed suit.

But yeah, I can believe it might not always be that way.


the (face it) completely effed up, materialistic, hedonistic, downright selfish character of a lot of Dutch and Flemish women now have and the developments that have taken place over the last 30 years leading to that character that turned a lot of them into spoiled little princesses. (Perhaps more so in the Netherlands then in Flanders).

They're definitely around. But it's easy to spot and thus avoid these girls since the ones most likely to have this sense of entitlement are the ones with dyed blonde hair, more make-up than Ronald McDonald, more gold necklaces than Mr. T and plastic boobs large enough that the entire crew of the Titanic could have held on to them for flotation.

Just find yourself a nice, caring and obedient countryside girl. ^^

[The Lawspeaker]

They're definitely around. But it's easy to spot and thus avoid these girls since the ones most likely to have this sense of entitlement are the ones with dyed blonde hair, more make-up than Ronald McDonald, more gold necklaces than Mr. T and plastic boobs large enough that the entire crew of the Titanic could have held on to them for flotation.
Yes they are easy to spot because they aren't exactly in short supply. LOL.


Just find yourself a nice, caring and obedient countryside girl. ^^
No thanks. Caring,loyal and responsible (the kind that you can form up a twee-eenheid with as I call it. There is no equivalent of the word in English- but Kempenzoon will understand) is difficult enough and I prefer my wife to be my equal- not my servant. And there is the problem I think: this type is in short supply... albeit not... abroad.

[Vulpix]

Just find yourself a nice, caring and obedient countryside girl. ^^

Real men don't go for a doormat :rolleyes2:!...

I can't believe the stuff I read on here sometimes.

[Jamt]

Real men don't go for a doormat :rolleyes2:!...

I can't believe the stuff I read on here sometimes.

Some men go for nice, caring and a bit obedient countryside girls you know Fox.

[Brännvin]

I doubt he will find a young Flemish girl with such characteristics on now days...

[Loki]

Real men don't go for a doormat :rolleyes2:!...


Real men also refuse to be doormats. A little feminine submissiveness (not to be confused with feminism, which is rife unfortunately) is healthy and goes a long way.

[Brännvin]

I go for more idenpendent women (this isn’t to say i'm the submissive one) because they can stand up to me, submissiveness women often can't take me, and I get bored of them, that said, if ever we were in a tricky or difficult situation, i will expect my girl to listen to me and not tolerate any back talk.

[Loki]

, if ever we were in a tricky or difficult situation, i will expect my girl to listen to me and not tolerate any back talk.

Good luck with that mate! No "independent" woman will ever go with that.

[Brännvin]

Good luck with that mate! No "independent" woman will ever go with that.

Thanks, I like the idea of risk in some way :D

I would say an open dialogue when the relationship is in crisis, I doubt that submissive women are sincere and one of the characteristics that I hate is the falsehood.

[Jamt]

I go for more idenpendent women (this isn’t to say i'm the submissive one) because they can stand up to me, submissiveness women often can't take me, and I get bored of them, that said, if ever we were in a tricky or difficult situation, i will expect my girl to listen to me and not tolerate any back talk.

So you wish for women to stand up to you and get bored with real women. How sad.

[Brännvin]

I said equality in a relationship (I do not want a submissive woman), guys! you are interpreting me wrong here! Equality in a relationship has many dynamics, essentially, for a partnership to be healthy, both parties have to feel equally valued in relation to emotions.. :)



So you wish for women to stand up to you and get bored with real women. How sad.

Are "submissive" or "obedient" women as you want, happy? Come on! do you want a woman or a "slave"?

[Jamt]

The age old biological game between men and women are very equal. The modern fab of women standing up to men is nothing but delusion, as is the modern fab of oppression and exploitation of women by men.

The perfect marriage in heaven is equal and spiritually divine. Always.

[Loki]

I said equality in a relationship (I do not want a submissive woman), guys! you are interpreting me wrong here! Equality in a relationship has many dynamics, essentially, for a partnership to be healthy, both parties have to feel equally valued in relation to emotions.. :)


You talk about equality in a relationship, yet you state:




if ever we were in a tricky or difficult situation, i will expect my girl to listen to me and not tolerate any back talk



You have much to learn.

[Tabiti]

Some women love to be slaves, some men like to be masters. I don't support such behavior myself, especially when such relationships and families aren't very successful ones, but that model occurs quite often (even in times of "feminism"), so has its natural meaning.
Yes, many women tend to change their views, depending on their partner, but they aren't devoted in anything, even aren't able to think about any issues outside cosmetics, fashion and girly stuff. Such females only search for protection and maintenance. Today they could be with radical WP skinhead, tomorrow with a black man.
Centuries of religious slavery, demanding female obedience, "the rib of Adam" myth, Eva's apple, myths of female as unclean, unequal, cursed (I'm not even going to discuss Islam here). Women were in quite bad position at all, which lead their later stupidity and instinct to search protection in any case. Then "feminism" appeared "to free" most female bodies, but not their mind. Once free, the misunderstandings of what is freedom and equality created misgeneration, plastic surgery, "blond jokes" and all factors, which enslave our gender even more.

[Brännvin]

You have much to learn.

Oh ok, maybe did I make wrong interpretation from my translation? English is not my mother tongue, and many here I bet already realize that (my english vocabulary is so poor! how to enrich it?). Anyway, I already explained the my point at the my last post.

Now, just wondering where would I find an obedient and submissive woman inside my ethnicity since the topic is about race traitors. Show me a Swedish and Danish girl with 20, 22 years, where would be totally submissive and obedient for me, or with the characteristics do you are talking here?

Let's be honest if I wanted someone from my age with such features nowadays I would have to get a Thai gook or turn a muslim. :eek:

I prefer a woman who is independent and can run her own life, I don't want someone emotionally dependent on me I am very selfish myself to have someone with such features. I honestly can not see a problem with it..

[Freomæg]

that said, if ever we were in a tricky or difficult situation, i will expect my girl to listen to me and not tolerate any back talk.
If it was the other way around and she needed to say something, would you be allowed to give her 'back talk', or would you shut up in the same way you expect her to?

Just curious.

[Brännvin]

If it was the other way around and she needed to say something, would you be allowed to give her 'back talk', or would you shut up in the same way you expect her to?

Just curious.

I already explained that here (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=67265&postcount=90), there was a wrong interpretation of my comment as I'm concerned where I find that I do not need to explain.


By the way, what is this thread about it? :confused: :confused:

[Jarl]

I already explained that here (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=67265&postcount=90), there was a wrong interpretation of my comment as I'm concerned where I find that I do not need to explain.


By the way, what is this thread about it? :confused: :confused:

Balder's got a point. There is some weird sex-role reversal going on in Europe. Modern women are becoming more and more like men - aggressive, materialistic, strong, cocksure and loud... which would be even fine, however they often lack sensitivity and intelligence too (as do many men)... which makes it hardly an appealing mixture ;)

[Loki]

Show me a Swedish and Danish girl with 20, 22 years, where would be totally submissive and obedient for me,

No chance in hell, I'm afraid. Feminism has taken root too deeply for any kind of submissiveness, even beautiful humility, to shine through.

[Jarl]

No chance in hell, I'm afraid. Feminism has taken root too deeply for any kind of submissiveness, even beautiful humility, to shine through.

I know one remedy for that :thumb001:


Daily Life of Eastern Slavs, by Sergei Ivanov:

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/236/livingofeastslavsbyivan.jpg

:D:D:D

[Loki]

I know one remedy for that :thumb001:


What? Get a Slavic woman? ;)

[Smaland]

Men can also be rehabilitated. Both men and women have been poisoned by years of multicultural propaganda.
And both men and women need to be re-educated.

Yes, men can be rehabilitated, because it happened to me. I didn't become racially minded until I was over 50 years old, but I did. We shouldn't give up hope that our "Manchurian Candidates" can be deprogrammed.

[Kempenzoon]

For the record, I probably picked a bad word with obedient. No, I don't look for a slave as a wife, not at all. That kind of thinking is quite opposite to heathen thinking IMO anyway.

I meant more to refer to the regular feminine submissiveness that has also been brought up by Loki in this discussion.

[Vulpix]

What is "regular feminine submissiveness"?

[Cato]

What is "regular feminine submissiveness"?

The stereotype of a proper Asian woman?

[Beorn]

What is "regular feminine submissiveness"?

Stop asking questions! :whip:

[Vulpix]

The stereotype of a proper Asian woman?

LOL. A doormat in other words. I get a kick out of scaring Asian men, they are so easily intimidated :D.


Stop asking questions! :whip:

Why :swl?

[Brännvin]

No chance in hell, I'm afraid. Feminism has taken root too deeply for any kind of submissiveness, even beautiful humility, to shine through.

Since when this has to do only with feminism? Women's independence are consequence of industrialized pos-modern societies.

Why a not "submissiveness" woman can not be feminine? :confused:

[Loki]

Why a not "submissiveness" woman can not be feminine? :confused:

I suppose that's theoretically possible.

[Brännvin]

The stereotype of a proper Asian woman?

This issue reminds me of Swedish middle age men when go to Thailand, in other words they want obedient and submissive women, nice!

And the only reason why those Thai gooks were obedient and submissive to them is because they paid them to be. How sad :(

Asian women who aren't impoverished or prostitutes aren't so obedient and subservient and not would be interested in fat European middle age men, those guys are total losers with low esteem...

[Kempenzoon]

What is "regular feminine submissiveness"?

Accepting the leadership of the male in the relationship, or is that still too vague?

Of course, that requires the male to actually be strong enough to be able to bear the alpha role. Those middle aged gook owners are losers, I totally agree. Nothing is more sickening than a male who behaves submissively or who has to buy 'submission'.

[Vulpix]

Accepting the leadership of the male in the relationship, or is that still too vague?


Yes.

[Loki]

those guys are total losers with low esteem...

Not necessarily. Their main problem is that they don't care about their race and ethnicity, or the future -- only about their own lives and happiness. This is a symptom of our day and age. Maybe they just don't care about communities anymore, they just want a nice life with a wife who be kind to them and not treat them like a piece of shit. Since life is temporal, this is not as invalid a point of view as it would appear at face value.

[Vulpix]

Not necessarily. Their main problem is that they don't care about their race and ethnicity, or the future -- only about their own lives and happiness. This is a symptom of our day and age. Maybe they just don't care about communities anymore, they just want a nice life with a wife who be kind to them and not treat them like a piece of shit. Since life is temporal, this is not as invalid a point of view as it would appear at face value.

Nope, they are unable to attract and retain a European woman as they are losers and the Asian woman is a convenient last resort. How can a European man seriously find an Asian woman more attractive than a European one?

[The Lawspeaker]

Nope, they are unable to attract and retain a European woman as they are losers.
No. It's like Loki said as that is the way it worked for me too. I wanted a nice life and realized that it would not be possible with a Dutch girl- and I still feel that way but now I merely realized that other European ethnicities might be less effed up then ours when it comes to that.

Those "race-mixers" are no losers, nor are they perpetrators of treachery to their own race as their race and kin showed them no alternative-- in essence it is a real social and racial tragedy. It's US as a society that is too blame and WE as a society should look for ways to solve it (by turning back the clock and force both men and women to re-think their roles and force them to think about how to interact with each other and force them to accept responsibility over their own lives and that of their kin).
Because WE as a society have let it come to this. Yes-- and the main perpetrators in this are these so-called "modern, liberated women" that sought for nothing but instant gratification while still footing the men the bill.

[Lulletje Rozewater]

This is near to my heart.
I have often coffee at KFC or Wimpy--in the smokers area--
Strange to me is that a number of inter-racial couples sit there too.
I have a habit starting a conversation with them.
I do make so en passant strange remarks such as

Why does tobacco have a filter and white paper.
Or
Could I offer your kids some hot chocolate.
Or
Do you live in Soweto or Helderkruin.
Other times when I am in a filthy mood, I ask them
1.Do you favour your kids to be black-yellow or white
Or
2.My favorite is: I hate to make albinos(white babies) ,you 2 are on the right path,mongrels is the way to go.
Or
3.What does KFC mean(I speak with a Dutch accent).
They answer" Kentucky Fried Chicken"
Oh I thought it meant
"Kitchen For Coloureds)
Or have you asked your children what colour they want to be before they were born.
Just imagine me asking them with a very innocent and smiley face.

When I see whites lapping it up to blacks,shivers run down my spine.
I do not see them as race traitors,I see them as people with an inferiority complex to have fun with.
The strategy of my remarks are "Confusion and after thought"

[Loki]

How can a European man seriously find an Asian woman more attractive than a European one?

One way of looking at it, is that beauty is not everything. In fact it's a minuscule part of a meaningful relationship.

[Vulpix]

No. It's like Loki said as that is the way it worked for me too. I wanted a nice life and realized that it would not be possible with a Dutch girl

Why not :confused:?

[The Lawspeaker]

Why not :confused:?
Spend a week here in this country and you'll know why.

[Brännvin]

Not necessarily. Their main problem is that they don't care about their race and ethnicity, or the future -- only about their own lives and happiness.

Well, many those guys at least in Sweden are just a sex tourist pervert like all the rest, the worst are when them marry with those Thai gooks, but this is still a small minority.




This is a symptom of our day and age. Maybe they just don't care about communities anymore, they just want a nice life with a wife who be kind to them and not treat them like a piece of shit.

But they are paying for them to be nice and obedient, then the satisfaction of them are just delusion or better "fake".


Since life is temporal, this is not as invalid a point of view as it would appear at face value.

But it is still just low self-esteem and materialism..



I suppose that's theoretically possible.

I know a lot of nice, cute, feminine, and very independent girls.. ;)

[Vulpix]

Spend a week here in this country and you'll know why.
Not much of an answer, is it? Surely not everyone is the same?

[Loki]

I know a lot of nice, cute, feminine, and very independent girls.. ;)

Yes, there are still nice ones in South Africa.

[The Lawspeaker]

Not much of an answer, is it? Surely not everyone is the same?
It is the answer that explains it all (at least for insiders). Dutch girls (I am not generalizing- sure a lot of them are different but off the market as a result) are almost feminist. They go for men as based on their looks, their wallet and their "sexual potential" and they have an incredibly big mouth. They want to be independent in every way but they still expect the men to pay their bills.

They have been very much influenced by stuff like MTV. Kind of annoying to see that grown up women in their 20s still behave like teenagers in many ways.

[Lulletje Rozewater]

Not much of an answer, is it? Surely not everyone is the same?

Every 2 years I spend 3 months in The Netherlands and believe me I have no problems with the Dutch-White girls.
As a matter of fact I am quite popular during those months.
My sisters do get quite annoyed when I bring them 'home'. They find me a "losloper":cool::cool:
I must admit that I do not go for girls in Amsterdam-Rotterdam-Groningen.

[The Lawspeaker]

Every 2 years I spend 3 months in The Netherlands and believe me I have no problems with the Dutch-White girls.
As a matter of fact I am quite popular during those months.
My sisters do get quite annoyed when I bring them 'home'. They find me a "losloper":cool::cool:
I must admit that I do not go for girls in Amsterdam-Rotterdam-Groningen.
Still makes me wonder how old you really are then ? And how old those "girls" are.

[Lulletje Rozewater]

Still makes me wonder how old you really are then ? And how old those "girls" are.

Young enough to make babies and old enough to fly back to South Africa.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[The Lawspeaker]

Young enough to make babies and old enough to fly back to South Africa.:rolleyes::rolleyes:
If I have to believe what you wrote in the Dutch section you have some ties with Batavia. Well.. the Dutch left the Indies in 1949. You went to South Africa. So how old are you ? ;)And why are you at your ripe old age still at "vrijersvoeten" in this country ?

[Kempenzoon]

Yes.

Ok. I'll try to be more specific. Mind you, IMO the specifics are different from relationship to relationship.

In a relationship, I'm the one deciding what direction we'll head in as a couple, and when we'll head in that direction, of course not deciding until hearing her opinions. And yeah, I won't demand anything I know will make her unhappy, but I expect her to trust me to know what'll be best for both of us, and thus best for her.

[The Lawspeaker]

Ok. I'll try to be more specific. Mind you, IMO the specifics are different from relationship to relationship.

In a relationship, I'm the one deciding what direction we'll head in as a couple, and when we'll head in that direction, of course not deciding until hearing her opinions. And yeah, I won't demand anything I know will make her unhappy, but I expect her to trust me to know what'll be best for both of us, and thus best for her.
Sounds reasonable enough.

[Brännvin]

Yes, there are still nice ones in South Africa.

Charlize Theron?!

[Lulletje Rozewater]

If I have to believe what you wrote in the Dutch section you have some ties with Batavia. Well.. the Dutch left the Indies in 1949. You went to South Africa. So how old are you ? ;)And why are you at your ripe old age still at "vrijersvoeten" in this country ?

You see most of what I say is correct and a lot of what I write is my fathers history or my mothers.
I do confuse history for confusing sake and if you make yourself older than that you are,people tend to be kind,besides when I came into this forum guys like Loki and you do check up on your history,so it is best to keep it KISS.

[The Lawspeaker]

Interesting development.. At least I don't use my fathers' or grand fathers' history as my own for the sake of hiding my identity ;) But it is your good right to do so but please don't expect to be taken seriously.

[Loki]

Charlize Theron?!

No, she's not nice.

[Jarl]

What? Get a Slavic woman? ;)

Haha! Any woman will do...as long as you've got a hunting crop handy! :P

[Sally]

Haha! Any woman will do...as long as you've got a hunting crop handy! :P

Ouch!:eek:

[Jarl]

Stop asking questions! :whip:

Now, that's what I am talking about! Haha! :D

Women! Know your place!

[Brännvin]

No, she's not nice.

Why not? :confused:

[Aemma]

If women become radical, in my experience, it's usually (not always) because they like to please the radical men. You notice it in every extreme scene: islamism, neo-nazism, misanthropic black metal, heathen reconstructionism, communism ...

In the extremist couples I know of, whether left- or right-wing, whether atheist or religious, the male was always the leading party while the woman simply followed suit.

But yeah, I can believe it might not always be that way.


Well I hope that you do believe it Kempenzoon, because that is not how it works in my world, I can assure you. There's none of this nonsense of strong, intelligent, thinking women doing anything to pleasea (radical) man. Have you never thought that perhaps, just perhaps, a woman can come to such will and ensuing power all on her own and of her own merit and want to please herself in terms of thought and action that would be genuine to her own person/being? We are very capable of such by the way. It might take us some time to get there for some of us; for others, not. But we're not any different than men in terms of ability and potential for becoming intellectually-powerful beings in our own right. You should be able to find evidence enough of this on this very forum. We're blessed with amazing female intellectuals on this forum. I don't think I need to elucidate the point any further.


Just find yourself a nice, caring and obedient countryside girl. ^^

Oh brother :eek: there's a reason for both partners in a relationship to not include this word in marriage vows these days btw. To want an obedient girl is no different than wanting a woman to wear a burqa in my books. Our people have evolved since eh? ;)

Cheers Kempenzoon and all!...Aemma

[Lulletje Rozewater]

Interesting development.. At least I don't use my fathers' or grand fathers' history as my own for the sake of hiding my identity ;) But it is your good right to do so but please don't expect to be taken seriously.

When I used the correct ages etc in some forums you got an endless tirade of swearwords etc and that upsets me.
In this way I do not have to hit back and believe me I can hit back and hard.
Any one who takes any one else seriously in any forum is somewhat "verdwaalt"

The only times I am serious is in PM and reps and in day to day happenings and advise, not so much what happened in history. Like Ford said :"History is bunk"
I am here for the pleasure and the fun.
Who I am is my business and I am a nice guy :D:D---without history.
Nor do I try to be a womanizer or a 'flikflooier".
But if you insist ,my history is not for the fainthearted.
Would it help you if I was an accidental sperm/egg kid.
Would it help if I were to tell you I could be black.
Would it help if were to tell you I was born one morning when the sun did not shine and I had to wiggle my way out of my mom's womb.
Would it help you if my father did a glorious bunk on his family.
Would it help you to know I am crippled-1 eye--1 leg-1 arm-1 ear-

If it does,then I am afraid,you better do not take me serious.
Yes, I have great pleasure in meeting women like Foxie-Aemma-Lady Lyfing- etc and men like Loki-Barreldriver-you-Lei Talk-Wat Tyler etc in fact all men and women here.
The only true history is known by MuadDib,a man who is despised by many fora, and Katja Lane the wife of RIP David Lane.
You want history?????
Speak to the Angels.
Your knowledge of my history does not bring you one iota nearer to understanding me.
Yet you have glimpses of my history.
You want history. Here it is

http://www.riscura.com/our_team.htm
Please never ask me about my history,it is mine and only mine and not for general consumption. I am like ice cream in a cone:D:D

[Sally]

Oh brother :eek: there's a reason for both partners in a relationship to not include this word in marriage vows these days btw. To want an obedient girl is no different than wanting a woman to wear a burqa in my books. Our people have evolved since eh? ;)


Is the word obey used in Catholic vows? I thought it was more of a Protestant thing.

[Aemma]

I suppose that's theoretically possible.

I'm feminine and far from being submissive as are most women here I would wager. ;) :thumb001:

They need not be diametrically opposed concepts. Not all strong-willed intelligent women are butchy ya know. ;) :D

[Aemma]

Is the word obey used in Catholic vows? I thought it was more of a Protestant thing.

It might just be Sally. I'm not sure. When Tolleson and I got married in the Roman Catholic Church this concept of "obedience" wasn't even an issue. But this was 22 years ago now and neither one of us is none the worse for wear. ;) :D

[Kempenzoon]

To want an obedient girl is no different than wanting a woman to wear a burqa in my books.

To be fair, I never had a problem with traditional islamic culture itself. I only despise islamic presence in the western world. And I don't see the issue with burqas, as long as they're not exported outside of their own nations.

I'd sooner identify anyway with an Afghani dirt farmer living in the middle of nowhere and trying to create an honest living for himself out of the soil his ancestors bled for; than with a Flemish progressive liberal running a marketing company for gays and immigrants in Brussels.

[Jarl]

We're blessed with amazing female intellectuals on this forum. I don't think I need to elucidate the point any further.

Would you be so kind as to elaborate on that bit, please? :P


Is the word obey used in Catholic vows? I thought it was more of a Protestant thing.

Good Lord! I really do hope it is! ;)


I'm feminine and far from being submissive as are most women here I would wager. ;) :thumb001:

They need not be diametrically opposed concepts. Not all strong-willed intelligent women are butchy ya know. ;) :D

I do not think any reasonable man would desire an obedient and submissive spouse. Wife is not a servant. We are not talking about sexual deviations here. That's nonsense. For a marriage to work properly it takes both sides to share responsibility and take the initiative on different issues.

But Loki made a good point about modesty. I reckon, the traditional model of a family has much appeal. And it makes sense too, with mothers being exemplars of modesty, sensitivity and caring attitude. Particularly for the children. Mothers are always at the heart of family life, and they are naturally more suited for the job. A man or a loud "sheman" will not cope with that duty.

[Aemma]

To be fair, I never had a problem with traditional islamic culture itself. I only despise islamic presence in the western world. And I don't see the issue with burqas, as long as they're not exported outside of their own nations.

But you're Heathen. Most people in the Heathen community embrace a certain notion of equality of the sexes in the sense that women have equal rights to speak their minds, to initiate the end of a relationship (divorce), to operate the family business, among other things. These all assume a woman to be an indepndent thinker and not subservient to her man. I doubt obedience was an extolled virtue among our pre-Christian forebears. If anything, for needs of sheer survival of the tribe, I would think that women were encouraged to be independent thinkers.


I'd sooner identify anyway with an Afghani dirt farmer living in the middle of nowhere and trying to create an honest living for himself out of the soil his ancestors bled for; than with a Flemish progressive liberal running a marketing company for gays and immigrants in Brussels.

But this is what I don't understand. As soon as people begin discussing issues of equality between men and women, or "feminism", arguments invariably start being made that strong-willed intelligent women are immediately labelled as "feminist" and then lumped in the group of "pro-other liberal thinking types". One shouldn't make such assumptions. I know many heathen women who are stong willed intelligent women but who still value Natural Law. Again, one need not mutually exclude the other. There are way too many assumed false dichotomies in these types of arguments.

[Aemma]

Would you be so kind as to elaborate on that bit, please? :P

None required Jarl. ;) You need only read our posts. There's ample evidence. :thumb001:

[Jarl]

None required Jarl. ;) You need only read our posts. There's ample evidence. :thumb001:

Modesty, ah modesty! :thumb001:

[Sally]

Good Lord! I really do hope it is! ;)

Jarl, I think you'd like the betrothal vows from fourteenth century France...


Then the priest shall say to the woman:

N., say after me:
N., I pledge to you that I will take you to be my husband and master, etc.


:p

[Aemma]

Would you be so kind as to elaborate on that bit, please? :P


None required Jarl. You need only read our posts. There's ample evidence


Modesty, ah modesty!


I do not think any reasonable man would desire an obedient and submissive spouse. Wife is not a servant. We are not talking about sexual deviations here. That's nonsense. For a marriage to work properly it takes both sides to share responsibility and take the initiative on different issues.

But Loki made a good point about modesty. I reckon, the traditional model of a family has much appeal. And it makes sense too, with mothers being exemplars of modesty, sensitivity and caring attitude. Particularly for the children. Mothers are always at the heart of family life, and they are naturally more suited for the job. A man or a loud "sheman" will not cope with that duty.

Ahh no fair, you added to your post without me knowing until after the fact. ;)

I just wish to note that my wise-ass remarks can be just that, wise-ass remarks. Such is not solely in the purview of a man. ;) Having said that, one also mustn't assume that another is not a modest person despite being very vocal and somewhat opinionated on certain fora. One does not always reveal one's full and true Self in these circumstances, and in my experience most people don't. Again assumptions about people can be dangerous and lead to false perceptions. :)

And now enough from me on this issue. Sunna, Freyr and Jorth await. :)

[Kempenzoon]

But you're Heathen. Most people in the Heathen community embrace a certain notion of equality of the sexes in the sense that women have equal rights to speak their minds, to initiate the end of a relationship (divorce), to operate the family business, among other things. These all assume a woman to be an indepndent thinker and not subservient to her man. I doubt obedience was an extolled virtue among our pre-Christian forebears. If anything, for needs of sheer survival of the tribe, I would think that women were encouraged to be independent thinkers.

Most of those things are things I support. I think not enough focus goes to two other things I said and that I'll clarify further.


In a relationship, I'm the one deciding what direction we'll head in as a couple, and when we'll head in that direction, of course not deciding until hearing her opinions. And yeah, I won't demand anything I know will make her unhappy, but I expect her to trust me to know what'll be best for both of us, and thus best for her.

None of that excludes her from ending the relationship, from operating the family business (when I'm not available), from speaking her mind, and many other things.


Of course, that requires the male to actually be strong enough to be able to bear the alpha role. Those middle aged gook owners are losers, I totally agree. Nothing is more sickening than a male who behaves submissively or who has to buy 'submission'.

Look at a wolf pack. There's one alpha. The other wolves follow the alpha, they obey the alpha. But does that obedience make those wolves into doormats? Does that obedience mean that if a little child runs up to a wolf and yells 'sit', that the wolf will sit?

And fine, maybe it's irrelevant whether the alpha is male or female, but in my experience men tend to go for that role much more naturally. But if it helps the discussion here, I'll try to forego the gender role generalisations and focus on me personally.

And regarding me personally, while I could probably be happy for a month or so with an alpha female as my mate, the relationship would be doomed before it even started. Since I look for a relationship that will last a lifetime, I want someone who complements my character and whose character I complement. I don't need someone with the same character as me, because then we'd spend all of our energy fighting until the unavoidable break-up, and none of our energy on safe-guarding our children's future.

[Steffan]

When I've been drinking I want to batter race traitors.

[The Lawspeaker]

When I've been drinking I want to batter race traitors.
Then don't drink so you can think about what caused it. Getting drunk and violent doesn't reflect good on you either btw.

[Steffan]

Then don't drink so you can think about what caused it. Getting drunk and violent doesn't reflect good on you either btw.

Haha, I don't actually get violent. I just sit around and get angry about it. It's a lot easier to get angry and pseudo-violent from the comfort of your living room than to go out and get felonious about it. I just need to find a good bar in Malmö to get hammered and meet cool girls and forget about miscegenation.

[ironman]

On a different note i will tell you of a personal nature what was expected of me to put up with within my family circle.
My exwife has a sister that is a school teacher, she is rather plain and dowdy, prim and proper, not much to look at and overlooked by men.
But one night she went out with some friends and went to a club.
A Sikh latched on to her and started to romance her, over the next couple of weeks the friendship took over and she took him as her boyfriend.
Cutting to the chase she was asked to marry him, so they got engaged, but as his secrets came out of the woodwork, it was found out that he was still married to an Indian born wife, an arranged wife.
Her family excepted this an he went through a divorce, but in Indian culture you cannot do this.
When they were eventually married(i did not attend the ceremony) his exwife threatened to take their only child back to India.
With this news the other secret came out, he was an alcoholic, so the threat of his wife to take his son back to her own country took over him and he eventually drank himself to death.
Because of my disgust of her choice of spouse, and behaviour to him i was always treated differently, but hey i could live with that.
(she did not have children with him, so that was a good thing)

[Brännvin]

Not necessarily. Their main problem is that they don't care about their race and ethnicity, or the future -- only about their own lives and happiness. This is a symptom of our day and age. Maybe they just don't care about communities anymore, they just want a nice life with a wife who be kind to them and not treat them like a piece of shit. Since life is temporal, this is not as invalid a point of view as it would appear at face value.

I still missed a part of your question or you did not understand the my post as I not answered your question correctly in another post.

When I said they as "losers" that's why inside a social POV unfortunately not racial one in Sweden them are considered as such, middle-age men having young Thai women are not seen with good eyes.. Since that many Swedes would find men who travel to poor Asian countries to purchase prostitutes, or spend money ordering brides to be a low social loser, though I have no idea how this is seen in other European countries but many people here dislike it.

They are only exploiting the women in their desire to have a obedient/submissive girlfriend and where those women want a "better" life standard in Sweden anyway people see this as some form of prostitution, but in the end the relationship is tragic for both, many these relationships are not very durable when the relation ends, which it does, they tend to be in rotten state financially and emotionally with the girls returning to Thailand.. Although many those guys who go to Thailand or others poor Asian countries are just a sex tourist only a few that get a "marriage"..

So I can not see where is all the happiness inside it.. But I understand what you mean, you somehow described some reasons why that happens.


Nope, they are unable to attract and retain a European woman as they are losers and the Asian woman is a convenient last resort.

Yeah, and how loser can a man get to have to order a bride or buy one?

The very man in question is who gets treated as a piece of shit.


How can a European man seriously find an Asian woman more attractive than a European one?

Well, human variation without any exception always ranges between uglitude and beauty, where there's in every race/ethnicity the problem is when someone does not find anyone attractive in their own ethnicity, nationality and culture anymore, I find it a bit sad.


Those "race-mixers" are no losers, nor are they perpetrators of treachery to their own race as their race and kin showed them no alternative-- in essence it is a real social and racial tragedy.

"Race-mixers" are still minorities even within each ethnicity/race, then the issue is not the ethnic group and its race, but the person in question in not being able to deal with the problems of their own ethnic group, I see this as low steem to being honestly..

[Lulletje Rozewater]

"Race-mixers" are still minorities even within each ethnicity/race, then the issue is not the ethnic group and its race, but the person in question in not being able to deal with the problems of their own ethnic group, I see this as low esteem to being honestly..

100 percent correct.
Mostly men and in women too in an ethnic group have lost the ability to be charmant(charming).
It is easier to grab a 'fly by' free-bee without the honey of a bee of ones own group.
If you read the comments in the thread "Asians" and the counter thread "Race traitors" then one wonders the importance of our heritage.
The Vikings-Goths-Franks-Germanic-early Britons, have been stigmatized as barbarians. However their culture were far from it.
Most of the mixing between them are the modern European and if you are not willing or unable to put up with their "nonsense"(you want me, fight for me) then go to Asia(eat a puppy on your wedding day ) or Africa (bojangle an oversized but willing in the air floating bum).
Thank the European women for their fussiness. Without it, Europe would have been a hive of coloreds.
Europe is full of women willing to marry.
So you live in a small village with limited possibilities,go to a town, to a city, to the country,to another country and find your mate,or sit behind your computer and look for one,visit,accept or reject.

We should stop doing the "I can not find a woman/man of my heritage, let's find an easier target. Asians/Mexicans may be good looking for a time,what are you going to do when the wrinkles appear after the second child or in 15 years of marriage.

Falling in love is a commodity which greases the casing and rod and disintegrates.
Love is finding your mate of equal statusculture-a friendship-which should last.

EASY COME,EASY GO

[Vargtand]

Real men don't go for a doormat :rolleyes2:!...

I can't believe the stuff I read on here sometimes.

Says who?

Obedience towards your husband does not = being a doormat. A real man as you put it is dominant, a dominant person requires a submissive partner for it to work, ergo to real men women must be submissive.

And on a side note I don't consider all the thousands of whipped men feminisms have lined up in this country as real men, hell not even pseudo-men.


For the record, I probably picked a bad word with obedient. No, I don't look for a slave as a wife, not at all. That kind of thinking is quite opposite to heathen thinking IMO anyway.


Not at all, remember my ancestors were slavers up till Christianity came along. ^^




Edit: And as far as equality goes, and equality in relationships, and between men and women, all I can say it, Homo sapiens have never had this, we have always been specialised in different areas and at a basic level we have divided us on characteristics such as sex when it comes to tasks.
Look at the Neanderthal instead, archaeological data suggest they preformed the same tasks, eg. they did not specialise. All good and all a true feministic society but look they are dead!

Look at what led up to the industrial evolution and what brought forth all the wealth we now have? the invention of the plow. which enable workers to quit being farmers an meant more people could specialise in other areas.

and now all of a sudden we want to regress to the state of neanderthals where men and women are seen as the same.

A clock maker is a craftsman and a gunsmith is a craftsman but I would never value them equal, it depends on to what purpose I have intended them for. And from that I will value them.

When it comes to men and women, I value men different then women. ergo I value women different then men. (on a side note, due to the current state of political correctness, instinctivly I get a sense that women are seen as negative in both of those scentences).

So to sum it up, Don't be a Neanderthal don't support equalism.
For progress we need to specialise further not regress.

[Lulletje Rozewater]

Says who?

Obedience towards your husband does not = being a doormat. A real man as you put it is dominant, a dominant person requires a submissive partner for it to work, ergo to real men women must be submissive.

It depends what you mean by obedience.
The yes love,no love,at your command love = a doormat.
The way I understand Artic is the cohesion of man and woman(wife and husband) in their day to day execution of jobs,which differ for man and woman but equal in their own right.



Edit: And as far as equality goes, and equality in relationships, and between men and women, all I can say it, Homo sapiens have never had this, we have always been specialised in different areas and at a basic level we have divided us on characteristics such as sex when it comes to tasks.
Look at the Neanderthal instead, archaeological data suggest they preformed the same tasks, eg. they did not specialise. All good and all a true feministic society but look they are dead!

Your first para is correct.Man hunts,woman cleans after the hunting.:D
But the woman had the right to accept or rejects a man's advance on her body.
With regard to the Neander. There was a specialization of jobs more or less the Lion's way. They both hunted(women stalking,men killing).At the kill the man ate firstproviding there were no cubs around.
In the Cave,the women prepared the liar men or women made the fire.
They died out for lack of bed-hopping.:D


Look at what led up to the industrial evolution and what brought forth all the wealth we now have? the invention of the plow. which enable workers to quit being farmers an meant more people could specialise in other areas.
I hate to be a spoils sport,but the 1930 catastrophe was due to specialization.Had men been a generalist he could have adapted.During that period it were the women holding the fort and bringing in the money.




A clock maker is a craftsman and a gunsmith is a craftsman but I would never value them equal, it depends on to what purpose I have intended them for. And from that I will value them.

Oke,but they are equal,they are craftsmen and in the time of Al Capone it were the gunsmiths who prospered,the clockmaker should have abandoned his craft and become condom makers for which there was more demand.
Again specialization is a curse in bad times. I refer also to present day crisis.
IE A farmer could easily plant potatoes i.s.o. corn depending on the demand.
A clockmaker is stuffed and homeschooling to another craft is not on or at least difficult.


When it comes to men and women, I value men different then women. ergo I value women different then men. (on a side note, due to the current state of political correctness, instinctivly I get a sense that women are seen as negative in both of those scentences).

spot on


So to sum it up, Don't be a Neanderthal don't support equalism.
For progress we need to specialise further not regress.

Disagree,again give an explanation on Equal and Specialization.
Men and women are born specialists,regressing is that they become hermaphrodite

The germ of a race is in a mother's longing and the significance of a man is not what he attains,but rather in what he longs to attain,for that he needs a woman and his own children

In race mixing a fast number of children become regrets not justifications for procreation.

[Ariets]

First of all, should we do anything with so called 'race traitors'?

Then, what make them traitors? Does they betrey anyone/thing? Does they sign anything that they will stay sexually pure from other races?:coffee:Who are we to say them with who they should be allowed to sleep?

Then, what should we do with people that doesn't stay in sexual purity:D?

[Kempenzoon]

Regarding the whole discussion on whether race traitors is a good term, I guess it does make kind of sense.

How about reserving the term race traitors to people like politicians and CEOs who actually have influence and power, and rationally decide to use it to further goals against their own people? Like European pro-migration politicians for example.

And using another term for miscegenators ... race defilers perhaps?

[Jarl]

First of all, should we do anything with so called 'race traitors'?

Then, what make them traitors? Does they betrey anyone/thing? Does they sign anything that they will stay sexually pure from other races?:coffee:Who are we to say them with who they should be allowed to sleep?

Then, what should we do with people that doesn't stay in sexual purity:D?

As for sexual purity... many people seem to blame religion, particularly Christianity, for encouraging mixing. Yet, it seems to me that it is rather the non-religious, materialistic individuals, who do not care about their own culture and heritage, that are more likely to marry a person from a totally different background. Religion demands morals, traditional and conservative lifestyle, and also love of ones homeland. Very religious people tend to be also very conservative.

Definitely freedom of every individual human being should be respected. It's morally evil to coerce people and force them to marry only within their own ethnic group. However, another problem is that people get together for all sorts of reasons - not just love, and they seldom think about the long-term effects. People tend to be egoistic and do not usually care about heritage or the rest of the nation while making such key decisions. Impulse and physical passion is too often the main factor here. It is up to the elites to maintain the society in a way that restricts excessive mixing which would compromise the sense of national identity.

[Ariets]

As for sexual purity... many people seem to blame religion, particularly Christianity, for encouraging mixing. Yet, it seems to me that it is rather the non-religious, materialistic individuals, who do not care about their own culture and heritage, that are more likely to marry a person from a totally different background. Religion demands morals, traditional and conservative lifestyle, and also love of ones homeland. Very religious people tend to be also very conservative.

Definitely freedom of every individual human being should be respected. It's morally evil to coerce people and force them to marry only within their own ethnic group. However, another problem is that people get together for all sorts of reasons - not just love, and they seldom think about the long-term effects. People tend to be egoistic and do not usually care about heritage or the rest of the nation while making such key decisions. Impulse and physical passion is too often the main factor here. It is up to the elites to maintain the society in a way that restricts excessive mixing which would compromise the sense of national identity.On egoism:

Well, I think that all of us are bunch of selfish bastards and thats okay, its called evolution, we make ourselfs best way to survive and spread our genes.

[Jarl]

On egoism:

Well, I think that all of us are bunch of selfish bastards and thats okay, its called evolution, we make ourselfs best way to survive and spread our genes.

That is why we need laws to govern our societies, and religion or some ethical system to control our egoism ;)

[Liffrea]

Originally Posted by Cythraul
We must acknowledge the fact that in their own eyes, they have betrayed nothing! We can call them 'race traitors', but the term is only meaningful in light of our conservative worldview. Clearly, we all believe our worldview to be objectively correct, but we must first - before placing blame - understand that not everyone thinks like us. The modern perspective teaches that there are no separate races, just one world race. This is the crux of the issue and until the sanctity of race and culture is once again revered, universally, the grounds on which we call people 'traitors' will remain marginal.

I'd also like to point out that miscegenation is as detrimental to the African/Asian race as it is the European race. The only difference perhaps being that the white European race is under greater threat so our plight is more severe.

This is substantially how I see the issue, how I choose to live my life and what beliefs I choose to hold and practise are my choices, I don’t hold other people to them nor do I want to make them follow my choices, I associate with free individuals of a same mind as me. If someone chooses to marry/procreate with another race then what business is it of mine? I don’t believe it’s wise to state they are “ugly” or “retarded” I have know people in mixed race relationships who are neither, I also don’t believe they are “traitors” to betray you have to consciously make a choice to abide by certain principles. I believe I should have the freedom to live my life in what way seems best to me, I would be hypocritical to deny that right to others.

For me ancestry is important, for me miscegenation is, by it’s nature, anti-diversity and detrimental to the future of any race, but I understand not everyone sees things the same way, as long as they aren’t forcing me to live a life against my conscience and principles then that’s all I can ask for.

[NSFreja]

Well, there is no way to do anything about it without getting arrested for hatecrime...soo, i can't say it here nor anywhere else what i would do about it without risking that they lock me in and throw away the key...

[Arahari]

I think I can safely assume that the sight of an interracial couple on street (those where one half is white), stirs repulsion and/or anger inside of you all as it does in me.

I usually only try to give them an "icy look" (but I don't think they see it :tongue...). I wonder if someone has a more effective idea, a more obvious way of protesting that doesn't get you arrested for a "hate crime" :lightbul::p...

What is your typical reaction in this scenario?

Should we react at all?

More in general, what do you think we should do about race traitors?

What do you do when you encounter them?

Please share any thoughts / strategies :).

What I propose should happen to them once we emerge from the inevitable chaos of the coming Racial Holy War is that these race-traitors should be hanged from lamposts with a sign saying "I betrayed my race".

[Nationalitist]

What I propose should happen to them once we emerge from the inevitable chaos of the coming Racial Holy War is that these race-traitors should be hanged from lamposts with a sign saying "I betrayed my race".

Arahari at his best.

[Jarl]

On egoism:

Well, I think that all of us are bunch of selfish bastards and thats okay, its called evolution, we make ourselfs best way to survive and spread our genes.

:) If we take it strictly biologicall, then spreading our genes means a certain degree of altruism, Particularly towards members of same population / breeding unit. Egoism does not always conform towards the theory of evolution, though some people, like R. Dawkins, pervert this simple truth.

[Sally]

While I never could be branded a race traitor, I've made seriously horrible relationship choices. These unions have been far more damaging to me than a transitory relationship with some swarthy man ever could've been. Not that I advocate relationships with the swarthy, of course. ;)

[Steffan]

What I propose should happen to them once we emerge from the inevitable chaos of the coming Racial Holy War is that these race-traitors should be hanged from lamposts with a sign saying "I betrayed my race".

This isn't far off from what people did to women that slept with Nazi soldiers in occupied countries. I don't see why that was so bad anyways. They were getting some pretty high quality seed.

[Groenewolf]

This isn't far off from what people did to women that slept with Nazi soldiers in occupied countries. I don't see why that was so bad anyways. They were getting some pretty high quality seed.

Here they where shaven bald and in other ways humiliated, but not executed or lynched.

[The Lawspeaker]

Here they where shaven bald and in other ways humiliated, but not executed or lynched.
http://www.digischool.nl/kleioscoop/camerascoop/w.o.ii/moffenhoer.jpg

http://fast.mediamatic.nl/f/fbkd/image/258/439-500-401.png

The treatment these ladies is received is not a page of our history we should be proud. Actually a lot of those heroes who did collaborated economically with the Krau.. errr occupation forces themselves and only joined the resistance during the last five hours of the war.

Poor, poor girls who made no other mistake then picking the wrong mate. A lot of innocent as in that they just had fallen in love with a German (a lot of it mutual) and only a small minority used their bodies in exchange for favors.

[fratelloRocco]

I change clearly side of the road, give a bad look and I ever tell clearly why I hate interracials during conversations.

[Stars Down To Earth]

I laugh maniacally at them and chew on their shoes when I come across them.

[Joe McCarthy]

At this point there isn't much we can do, though I would have preferred American racial laws had been stronger - as it was they were among the strongest and longest lasting in the West, spanning some 300 years, with German racialists citing them as an enviable model of collectivist racial policy in contrast to a more degenerate-individualist ethos prevailing under Weimar.

[gandalf]

I have looked at the first pages of this thread

and saw a high number of banned members : what happened ?

[Efim45]

Send them to the gallows.

[BeerBaron]

realistically nothing, maybe some places of europe where you don't see it but it's very much the norm in north america.

[Cato]

Race-traitor is an amusing word.

[Nameless Son]

I don't really have a problem with them existing, but I would prefer to not be around them. Their children, however, I feel quite sorry for. Even liberals admit the difficulties of being mixed race, I think, (though they give the wrong reasons, and that's where they and I differ).

I don't think the threat to the European gene pool is as great as many preservationists think. If a European mixes, his genes aren't completely lost to us. If his (mixed) descendants keep mixing with full Europeans, the non-European genes will become negligible imo. Though there certainly still is a threat, especially if non-Europeans keep on overpopulating.

(my first post outside of the intro forum, hooray!)

[Boudica]

In my city it is quite common for young white teen girls to find interest in/date thuggish blacks, I never understood it, never tried, I just attempted to help them see the 'light'. However my help was useless, lol they wouldn't listen to me or their parents and it was quite sad because one ended up with a STD another ended up in juvie, and the other pregnant. Whenever I spot a biracial couple (which I do quite often sadly) I just stare at the white person and give them a sort of disgusted wtf look. However they seem to not understand why I am giving them a look because they probably don't think of what they are doing as anything but normal since biracial couples are every where and it is "racist" if you don't want to date outside of your race... ugh..

[Albion]

Round up all the ones in Britain and exile them to Saint Helena where we'll build a bigger settlement for them and leave them to it after that.

[BeerBaron]

Off with their heads:shakefist:

[Stars Down To Earth]

Sterilize them all. It doesn't matter if they produce kids or not. It will make people think twice before they miscegenate, whether it's women spreading their legs for blacks or men sticking their cocks in Asians. If that doesn't work, deport them.

[Laudanum]

Sterilize them all. It doesn't matter if they produce kids or not. It will make people think twice before they miscegenate, whether it's women spreading their legs for blacks or men sticking their cocks in Asians. If that doesn't work, deport them.

You can't just sterilize them because they're doing something you don't agree with. It just doesn't work that way, and it's not realistic. If people want to have children with someone of a different race, that's their choice. All we can try to do is to stimulate ''white'' people to have ''white'' children.

[Joe McCarthy]

There's nothing inherently wrong with anti-miscegenation measures. We had them in the US for about three centuries. They weren't strong enough though as we had thousands of mixed offspring annually even in the 1930s. They're certainly not realistic at this time however.

[Breedingvariety]

We should do nothing about race- mixers.

But on geopolitical level, there needs to be massive population displacements.

[Nameless Son]

You can't just sterilize them because they're doing something you don't agree with. It just doesn't work that way, and it's not realistic. If people want to have children with someone of a different race, that's their choice. All we can try to do is to stimulate ''white'' people to have ''white'' children.

I agree wholeheartedly.

But, how many of us were convinced or "stimulated" into being anti-miscegenation? I think the vast majority of us came to this view of our own accord. Confirm or deny, if you will. I can speak for myself that I did.

I think there will come a time when the number of European-looking people (who may be part non-European but it does not show) gets so low -- but many times higher than the number of European preservationists currently -- that they will join as one in the preservation of our race of their own accord.

So, while I don't think there's much we can to convince people, not now or ever, I still hold out optimism.

[Laudanum]

I agree wholeheartedly.

But, how many of us were convinced or "stimulated" into being anti-miscegenation? I think the vast majority of us came to this view of our own accord. Confirm or deny, if you will. I can speak for myself that I did.

I think there will come a time when the number of European-looking people (who may be part non-European but it does not show) gets so low -- but many times higher than the number of European preservationists currently -- that they will join as one in the preservation of our race of their own accord.

So, while I don't think there's much we can to convince people, not now or ever, I still hold out optimism.

You're right. I got interested in cultural/ethnic European preservation by myself too, but I do think that parents can at least try to make kids proud of their roots, maybe teach them something about their culture etc.

I don't think parents should really try to ''convince'' them, but rather to make them aware of who they are.:)

[Nameless Son]

You're right. I got interested in cultural/ethnic European preservation by myself too, but I do think that parents can at least try to make kids proud of their roots, maybe teach them something about their culture etc.

I don't think parents should really try to ''convince'' them, but rather to make them aware of who they are.:)

Good point. This is why white supremacists and the like are doing more harm than good. The left is very good at attacking them, so it makes their children more vulnerable to becoming leftist and losing pride in their roots.

Unfortunately, even some of our children, despite our best efforts, will not care about preservationism. This is where the fact of our kind's prima facie inescapable decline lies: Every one of our children who race mixes is a portion of our population that is "lost forever" in some sense; but, because it is not realistic to reproduce faster than non-Europeans, there is no way to regain lost portions of our total population.

But, I think this is only prima facie inescapable.

[ironman]

I don't think parents should really try to ''convince'' them, but rather to make them aware of who they are.:)

In my case which is true, my mother often made it quite clear in no uncertain terms not ever think of bringing back to the house, or going out with a girl not of my colour or race.

[Laudanum]

Good point. This is why white supremacists and the like are doing more harm than good. The left is very good at attacking them, so it makes their children more vulnerable to becoming leftist and losing pride in their roots.

Unfortunately, even some of our children, despite our best efforts, will not care about preservationism. This is where the fact of our kind's prima facie inescapable decline lies: Every one of our children who race mixes is a portion of our population that is "lost forever" in some sense; but, because it is not realistic to reproduce faster than non-Europeans, there is no way to regain lost portions of our total population.

But, I think this is only prima facie inescapable.

In the end children should decide for themselves if they want to race mix or not. It's entirely up to them. If the race itself does not want to survive, then what's the point in surviving? All you can do is to just show them their real identity; learn them about their culture, their ancestry and herritage. You can't do anything more than that as a parent.

[Nameless Son]

Yeah I think that's the right attitude.

I don't understand this sentence.

If the race itself does not want to survive, then what's the point in surviving?

Do you understand "what the race wants" as simply what it does? If it doesn't survive, it didn't want to, but if it does, then it did?

But surely that sense of "wanting" is not connected with what individuals of the race want.

[Laudanum]

Yeah I think that's the right attitude.

I don't understand this sentence.


Do you understand "what the race wants" as simply what it does? If it doesn't survive, it didn't want to, but if it does, then it did?

But surely that sense of "wanting" is not connected with what individuals of the race want.

I was talking about the majority of the race. And yeah, I was talking about both actions and opinions of people.

Indeed, it isn't connected to what individuals of the race want.

[Nameless Son]

I was talking about the majority of the race. And yeah, I was talking about both actions and opinions of people.

Indeed, it isn't connected to what individuals of the race want.

Well OK, I just don't think the race as a whole not "wanting" to survive is a good reason not to "force" it to. I think we should "force" it to, but all that means is doing the best we can.

We shouldn't try to force individuals via policy, because, as I said, I think most people come of their own accord, but that has nothing to do with "forcing" the race as a whole. The two uses of "force" -- as with "want" -- are not really related so it's dubious to use both imo.

EDIT: nvm we basically agree, I'm just nitpicking, sorry! :D

[Laudanum]

Well OK, I just don't think the race as a whole not "wanting" to survive is a good reason not to "force" it to. I think we should "force" it to, but all that means is doing the best we can.

We shouldn't try to force individuals via policy, because, as I said, I think most people come of their own accord, but that has nothing to do with "forcing" the race as a whole. The two uses of "force" -- as with "want" -- are not really related so it's dubious to use both imo.

EDIT: nvm we basically agree, I'm just nitpicking, sorry! :D

If ''to force'' means informing our children about their identity, then we agree.:) I don't support forcing people by violence, etc.

[The Lawspeaker]

Change starts with proper education and proper parenting and can't be enforced by mob violence or by the barrel of a gun.

[Laudanum]

Change starts with proper education and proper parenting and can't be enforced by mob violence or by a barrel of a gun.

Exactly! :thumb001:

That's pretty much all we can do.

[The Lawspeaker]

Exactly! :thumb001:

That's pretty much all we can do.
And all that we should do. Mindless violence will only drive preservationists even further from their fellow countrymen and will only work divisively on our ranks, which should be closed.

We are going to need all our fellow countrymen in the coming decades in order to enforce change and speaking of "punishing" those that have a foreign bride or have had foreign partners in the past will only benefit those that seek to destroy our country as it divides our ranks.

[Laudanum]

We are going to need all our fellow countrymen in the coming decades to enforce change and speaking of "punishing" those that have a foreign bride or have had foreign partners in the past will only benefit those that seek to destroy our country as it divides our ranks.


I agree. I don't think those people should be punished. Racial preservation is something that should be happening voluntary. If someone falls in love with a black person and decides to have children, than that's their choice. I don't support it, but I still think people should have the right to do whatever they want.

You can't punish someone for falling in love.

[The Lawspeaker]

I don't agree. I don't think those people should be punished. Racial preservation is something that should be happening voluntary. If someone falls in love with a black person and decides to have children, than that's their choice. I don't support it, but I still think people should have the right to do whatever they want.

You can't punish someone for falling in love.

Besides.. it wouldn't be the first time that an educated foreigner fell in love with this country and would seek to preserve it as best he or she could.

[Laudanum]

Exactly.. that's what I said. :wink

Besides.. it wouldn't be the first time that an educated foreigner fell in love with this country and would seek to preserve it as best he or she could.


Oops! Sorry. Edited my post.:)

[Nameless Son]

If you disagrees with miscegenation, it seems like you ought to want to punish it. There could be a lot of confusion here.

I don't want to punish it, so maybe I don't even "disagree" with it. I just disagree with it in the sense of "if I were you I wouldn't be race mixing."

So if you say you disagree with it, but don't want to punish it, I think there needs to be clarification.

[The Lawspeaker]

If you disagrees with miscegenation, it seems like you ought to want to punish it. There could be a lot of confusion here.

I don't want to punish it, so maybe I don't even "disagree" with it. I just disagree with it in the sense of "if I were you I wouldn't be race mixing."

So if you say you disagree with it, but don't want to punish it, I think there needs to be clarification.
It's a societal error and something like treason. It's not a criminal offence but a social issue. Homelessness is a social issue -- do you want to shoot all homeless people ?

[Nameless Son]

It's a societal error and something like treason. It's not a criminal offence but a social issue. Homelessness is a social issue -- do you want to shoot all homeless people ?

I don't I see the connection. Homeless people don't want to be homeless, but they are anyway. Race-mixers do want to be race-mixers, because if they didn't want to they wouldn't be race mixers.

I take that as the main reason why it is more legitimate to punish mixers than homeless people. Even though both are social issues, you can still validly support punishing mixers but not punishing homeless.

So we need another reason besides what is a social issue in order to justify not punishing mixers even if we "disagree" with it.

But I think you're right, we need to disagree with it in some sense if we don't really want to live in a Europe with mixers or non-Europeans, which we don't.

[The Lawspeaker]

I don't I see the connection. Homeless people don't want to be homeless, but they are anyway. Race-mixers do want to be race-mixers, because if they didn't want to they wouldn't be race mixers.

I take that as the main reason why it is more legitimate to punish mixers than homeless people. Even though both are social issues, you can still validly support punishing mixers but not punishing homeless.

So we need another reason besides what is a social issue in order to justify not punishing mixers even if we "disagree" with it. But I think you're right, we need to disagree with it in some sense if we don't really want to live in a Europe with mixers or non-Europeans.
Wrong. People fall in love with who they fall in love. And that's the majority of the silent "race mixers". Of course there are the people that are like "look at my BLACK boyfriend" but I think that these are there because it has become fashionable.

So what needs to be done is re-educating people. Not punishing them as it will drive them even more to the other side (and I can't blame them then) and people will fall in love in whoever they please regardless of whether you like it or not but if you remove the source (namely: the immigrants) from the country then the problem will diminish.

[Nameless Son]

Wrong. People fall in love with who they fall in love. And that's the majority of the silent "race mixers". Of course there are the people that are like "look at my BLACK boyfriend" but I think that these are there because it has become fashionable.

So what needs to be done is re-educating people. Not punishing them as it will drive them even more to the other side (and I can't blame them then) and people will fall in love in whoever they please regardless of whether you like it or not but if you remove the source (namely: the immigrants) from the country then the problem will diminish.

I'm afraid we are talking past each other, considering your first sentence was "Wrong." yet I completely agree with you. :rolleyes:

Let me take things a few steps back. I don't think race-mixers should be punished either. In my last couple posts I was just trying to grapple with what it means to say you "disagree" with miscegenation.

It is not as easy saying you do this without wanting to punish mescegenaters. We agree directly punishing them is counterproductive and not even possible, but one only ever punishes to get a desired result, anyway. Removing the source, as you say, is a good way to get the desired result, and this might be seen as gentle dissuasion compared to punishment. But I fail to see a strong enough distinction when it comes to telling race-mixer and like our position in a way that will make sense to them.

What individuates punishment in the eyes of the punished? They must be aware of the desired result of their punishment, and so they know the desired result is the cause of their punishment. Therefore they will see the desired result as holding the criterion for what counts as their being punished.

Now saying one disagrees with miscegenation conveys one's desired result very well, so in the eyes of the race-mixers it is as if you already want to punish them.

I know this is irrelevant to what you were talking about for the most part. Mine is just a pragmatic concern for how to characterize our view.

[Indiohammer]

Horse whip em'!!! No, seriously, it's all about education and personal choices I guess, no much you can do about it -unless- is someone of your family, i.e. brother, sister, son, daughter, etc. And even then the most you can do is have conversation and try to convince them of what they are doing is ' wrong ' according to your moral standars, ideals, whatever.

[Hess]

Besides.. it wouldn't be the first time that an educated foreigner fell in love with this country and would seek to preserve it as best he or she could.


As a European Preservationist, I have no problem with a few educated foreigners (perhaps even non Europeans) assimilating and integrating into European culture.

[The Lawspeaker]

As a European Preservationist, I have no problem with a few educated foreigners (perhaps even non Europeans) assimilating and integrating into European culture.
As long as there aren't too many of them and as long as that person is a real addition to the country. Still: (s)he should be on a livelong probation.

[Austin]

You can't just sterilize them because they're doing something you don't agree with. It just doesn't work that way, and it's not realistic. If people want to have children with someone of a different race, that's their choice. All we can try to do is to stimulate ''white'' people to have ''white'' children.


Stalin. = It worked.
Hitler. = It worked.
U.S. Govt. = It worked.
Eastern bloc Communist regimes. = It worked.
Chinese Communist Party. = It works.
Imperialist Japan. = It worked.


Isn't reality wonderful?

[The Lawspeaker]

Stalin. = It worked.
Hitler. = It worked.
U.S. Govt. = It worked.
Eastern bloc Communist regimes. = It worked.
Chinese Communist Party. = It works.
Imperialist Japan. = It worked.


Isn't reality wonderful?
Yes but those were nutters and criminals.

[Austin]

Yes but those were nutters and criminals.


Were? Chinese Communist Party is a respectable, Tier 1 economy. It is a great economic partner and friend. It is an undeniable world leader and respected partner on all levels with Europe and the U.S.

It actively sterilizes people as policy mandated by the government.

[The Lawspeaker]

Were? Chinese Communist Party is a respectable, Tier 1 economy. It is a great economic partner and friend. It is an undeniable world leader and respected partner on all levels with Europe and the U.S.

It actively sterilizes people as policy mandated by the government.
I don't see anything respectable about a regime that shot over a 1000 people on Tienanmen Square in 1989, that censors the internet, is godforsakingly corrupt and that harvests organs from prisoners.

[Austin]

I don't see anything respectable about a regime that shot over a 1000 people on Tienanmen Square in 1989, that censors the internet, is godforsakingly corrupt and that harvests organs from prisoners.


Yes but let us deal in reality, not what sycophantic versions we happen to wish were reality. Europe and America (and every other nation) are deep friends with China. China does what it must. They are our friends. It is not our right to bevy our sick cultural views on it. China is our friend and respected partner and has a demonstrated history of rich culture and people.

It sterilizes people as a form of policy and population control. It is humane and has been deemed such by China. Who are we, continents and oceans away, to cast judgement on the Chinese way of governing themselves? If sterilization works for them then we should provide them with more efficient methods, if anything, as any friendly nation would.

[The Lawspeaker]

I don't care what they do to themselves, frankly, but don't call them respectable because they aren't.

[Austin]

I don't care what they do to themselves, frankly, but don't call them respectable because they aren't.

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/5206/w300px2310midfc.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/263/w300px2310midfc.jpg/)

[The Lawspeaker]

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/5206/w300px2310midfc.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/263/w300px2310midfc.jpg/)
Yeah.. as if Barosso is so well liked and respected here in Europe. (NOT).

[Austin]

Yeah.. as if Barosso is so well liked and respected here in Europe. (NOT).


Oh Civis..... :)

You're going to like this! :)

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/4734/97644euforeignpolicychi.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/823/97644euforeignpolicychi.jpg/)

EU foreign policy chief thanks China for support in buying bonds (http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/145264/20110513/the-european-union-foreign-policy-investor-european-sovereign-bonds.htm)

[The Lawspeaker]

"Shrugs"

http://content.hollywire.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/obama-china.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_9Bx0L3n3uAo/SwPrLTUiEBI/AAAAAAAAGdk/7w2AzqSzIzA/s1600/obamachina.jpg

http://www.rnw.nl/data/files/images/lead/181109%20Obama%20Hu%20Jintao%20ANP-11398419_0.jpg

Pragmatic... but not respectable. You may like all sorts of shady dealings and shady regimes: I don't.

[Cato]

Pragmatic... but not respectable. You may like all sorts of shady dealings and shady regimes: I don't. [/FONT]

Don't be a hypocrite-in-denial mate. As an potential economic superpower, China's ass is being kissed by everyone these days. So don't rag on us when your holier-than-though EU kisses their sinoid asses every bit as much as the Americans do:

http://ec.europa.eu/trade/creating-opportunities/bilateral-relations/countries/china/

"China is the single most important challenge for EU trade policy."

WHAT?

[Joe McCarthy]

Yes but those were nutters and criminals.

It's a shame Austin lumped in the racial and sterilization policies of the US (though they were mostly state by state not a federal concern) with those of mass murderers as American racial policies were responsible, but that doesn't let you off the hook for being ignorant and calling us 'nutters and criminals'.

[The Lawspeaker]

It's a shame Austin lumped in the racial and sterilization policies of the US (though they were mostly state by state not a federal concern) with those of mass murderers as American racial policies were responsible, but that doesn't let you off the hook for being ignorant and calling us 'nutters and criminals'.
Ah yes: the sacred U.S of those days. Eugenic measures that may have been a state to state but mainly targeted the lower classes and were anything but scientifically based. It wasn't too long after the U.S had invaded The Philippines, Haiti, Cuba, Mexico and had also taken control of Guam, and Puerto Rico and tell if I have forgotten about any countries ?

It were during the days that lynchings were a regular occurrence and that suffragets were arrested during Silent Pickets.

And don't try to point it all at the Dutch again in Indonesia.. at least we know we were bastards but the Americans always try to make it as if the saviours of mankind.. which of course they aren't. Just ask your victims.

[Joe McCarthy]

It were during the days that lynchings were a regular occurrence.

Lynchings were extra-judicial and blacks probably kill more of each other in a year in the US than died total from lynching in the over century of it happening.

[Odoacer]

It wasn't too long after the U.S had invaded The Philippines, Haiti, Cuba, Mexico and had also taken control of Guam, and Puerto Rico and tell if I have forgotten about any countries ?

Mexico? The Mexican-American War was 1846-1848. And it's fair to argue whether the U.S. first invaded Mexican territory or Mexico invaded U.S. territory, since the Thornton Affair occurred in territory claimed by both the Republic of Texas (which had won its independence from Mexico & was by now a U.S. state) and Mexico. Haiti was jointly invaded by U.S., British, & German forces in 1914 to protect their citizens residing in Haiti. The U.S. continued to occupy Haiti until 1934, greatly improving infrastructure, healthcare, & education. (The Haitians unsurprisingly haven't improved much since then.) The rest of these territories were gained following the American victory in the Spanish-American War in 1898 - yes, there were questionable causes leading up to this war as well, as with most wars. It should be noted that Cuba received it's long-desired independence as a result of this war (only to go to pot later, & American policy certain bears some blame for that); Puerto Rico & Guam have pretty happily remained under U.S. control. The Philippines is a more difficult case, but they were granted "commonwealth" status in 1935 in preparation toward full independence in the next 10 years (the plans for which were interrupted by the Japanese invasion & occupation).

All of this is pretty damned tame compared to our European counterparts.


And don't try to point it all at the Dutch again in Indonesia.. at least we know we were bastards but the Americans always try to make it as if the saviours of mankind.. which of course they aren't. Just ask your victims.

You lay it on far too thick. The way you continually harp on the evils committed by the Great Satan, one would think you were allied with the Mohamedans. Anyway, it's perfectly acceptable to throw Dutch shit back in your face (although no one's really done much of that - European shit has generally sufficed) when you keep throwing American shit in our faces. :thumb001:

[Pallantides]

Writing angry posts about them on an internet fora will get them to their senses :thumb001:


But I'll try a more gentle approch:

Please dear Race traitors, will you be so kind to stop betraying my race - best regards Pallantides
^
Hopefully some Norwegian race traitor, will read this and stop with their race betraying ways.

[Joe McCarthy]

You lay it on far too thick. The way you continually harp on the evils committed by the Great Satan, one would think you were allied with the Mohamedans. Anyway, it's perfectly acceptable to throw Dutch shit back in your face (although no one's really done much of that - European shit has generally sufficed) when you keep throwing American shit in our faces. :thumb001:

We shouldn't even have to expect these sorts of arguments from European-Western loyalists or whatever. It's treacherous and treasonous.

[_______]

as long as we live in a mixed society, there will be race traitors. sterilizing rapists and murderers, i can support but not sterilizing other races. then again, i know an innocent man who has been accused of both these crimes... :(

[Arne]

You can't just sterilize them because they're doing something you don't agree with. It just doesn't work that way, and it's not realistic. If people want to have children with someone of a different race, that's their choice. All we can try to do is to stimulate ''white'' people to have ''white'' children.

To move something requires sometimes more drastical methods..

[Gamera]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_9Bx0L3n3uAo/SwPrLTUiEBI/AAAAAAAAGdk/7w2AzqSzIzA/s1600/obamachina.jpg


lol @ second guy from the right.

[Troll's Puzzle]

To move something requires sometimes more drastical methods..

it's kind of lame how many 'preservationists' think they can just do nothing about what other people do and we'll be magically saved by everyone just 'choosing' to 'get in touch with their ancestors' while living alongside ethnics who will just 'choose' to leave or not mix or something. Even the word 'preservation' (the current buzzword for pro-european ethnic politics) is limp wristed and contains within itself the spirit of defeat.

I hope the next gen. of europeans is more virile, at least.

[Motörhead Remember Me]

You're right. I got interested in cultural/ethnic European preservation by myself too, but I do think that parents can at least try to make kids proud of their roots, maybe teach them something about their culture etc.

I don't think parents should really try to ''convince'' them, but rather to make them aware of who they are.:)

Agreed. If you know who you are you will do the right choices for you.

Love is stronger than boundaries, physical and mental, and I accept that.
I speak now from a perspective where we have not yet reached critical levels of problems with immigrants. As long as someone raise their mixed child to respect that country's culture, values and traditions it should be fine. After all, a mixed child belong to the country twice as much as a complete foreigner.
(Ok, puke on me, I'm soft)

[Beorn]

After all, a mixed child belong to the country twice as much as a complete foreigner.
(Ok, puke on me, I'm soft)

Define the word 'foreigner' in this particular post of yours.

[Joe McCarthy]

it's kind of lame how many 'preservationists' think they can just do nothing about what other people do and we'll be magically saved by everyone just 'choosing' to 'get in touch with their ancestors' while living alongside ethnics who will just 'choose' to leave or not mix or something. Even the word 'preservation' (the current buzzword for pro-european ethnic politics) is limp wristed and contains within itself the spirit of defeat.

I hope the next gen. of europeans is more virile, at least.

Valid points. Even more annoying though are the 'preservationsts' who so despise other white countries that they will actively root for non-white countries against them or badger them for their supposed mistreatment of non-whites. Fortunately I've only seen a handful of the former and a few more of the latter on this forum.

[Beorn]

Valid points. Even more annoying though are the 'preservationsts' who so despise other white countries that they will actively root for non-white countries against them or badger them for their supposed mistreatment of non-whites. Fortunately I've only seen a handful of the former and a few more of the latter on this forum.

The Jew still eludes you. :swl

[Joe McCarthy]

The Jew still eludes you. :swl

I suppose I could don me an armband, get me a good Jew obsession injection and ignore all of the white folks in England, seeing nothing but your much maligned Jewish population, and consequently hope England becomes a harem for Pakistani gigolos. But then I'm not that malicious or paranoid.

[Pallantides]

Valid points. Even more annoying though are the 'preservationsts' who so despise other white countries that they will actively root for non-white countries against them or badger them for their supposed mistreatment of non-whites. Fortunately I've only seen a handful of the former and a few more of the latter on this forum.

http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/20080403/absolut-aztlan.jpg

:D

[Beorn]

I suppose I could don me an armband, get me a good Jew obsession injection and ignore all of the white folks in England, seeing nothing but your much maligned Jewish population, and consequently hope England becomes a harem for Pakistani gigolos. But then I'm not that malicious or paranoid.

If it makes you happy. I wouldn't question your dedication to a cause because of it. :)

[Hess]

If it makes you happy. I wouldn't question your dedication to a cause because of it. :)

Is that you in your avatar?

[Motörhead Remember Me]

Define the word 'foreigner' in this particular post of yours.

Foreigner is anyone from outside any particular countries borders, of course. But there's a difference between a foreigner from Europe, NA, Oz, Latam, some Asian countries and a foreigner who comes from and lives according to a culture which constantly collides with mine and demands that my culture adjust to his/her.

[Lulletje Rozewater]

Foreigner is anyone from outside any particular countries borders, of course. But there's a difference between a foreigner from Europe, NA, Oz, Latam, some Asian countries and a foreigner who comes from and lives according to a culture which constantly collides with mine and demands that my culture adjust to his/her.
I am a person foreign to you.We both eat at the same restaurant,but I use my fingers and you use your knife and fork.After my breakfast I burp.
That is ok with you until I force you to eat my way,