Where will the next European war start?

[Joe McCarthy]

Where are the potential trouble spots for a new European war and how would it start?

To cover this in detail would require an article and rather than bother with that I'll just briefly mention the places where I think there is some plausibility of a new European war beginning.

Greece vs. Turkey.

Hungary vs. Romania.

Hungary vs. Slovakia.

Hungary vs. Serbia.

Russia vs. Estonia.

Russia vs. The Ukraine.

Serbia vs. Kosovo.

War in Bosnia.

I didn't include possible German belligerence in the above as though I believe it is a possibility, it's not likely for the moment as the German population will take considerable goading for it to put aggressive nationalists in power.

So what are your thoughts?

[AussieScott]

The EU(under banker supervision) Vs the European peoples.

[Alex Delarge]

I don't see the possibility of any war anywhere. If anything happens Russia will probably be involved.

[Mercury]

Russians are too cowardly to start a European war. But they won't have problem backing Serbia if they started some nonsense.

[Joe McCarthy]

Fears of New Ethnic Conflict in Bosnia (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/14/world/europe/14bosnia.html?pagewanted=all)
SARAJEVO, Bosnia and Herzegovina — Thirteen years after the United States brokered the Dayton peace agreement to end the ferocious ethnic war in the former Yugoslavia, fears are mounting that Bosnia, poor and divided, is again teetering toward crisis.

On the surface, this haunted capital, its ancient mosques and Orthodox churches still pocked by mortar fire, appears to be enjoying a renaissance. Young professionals throng to stylish cafes and gleaming new shopping malls while the muezzin heralds the morning prayer. The ghosts of Srebrenica linger — recalling the worst massacre in Europe since World War II — but Sarajevans prefer to talk about President-elect Barack Obama or the global financial crisis.

Yet for the first time in years, talk of the prospect of another war is creeping into conversations across the ethnic divide in Bosnia, a former Yugoslav republic that the Dayton agreement divided into two entities, a Muslim-Croat Federation and a Serbian Republic.


Full story at link.

[Korbis]

Greeks vs Greece. Is already happening.

[Scrapple]

Yeah I would think the Balkans most likely.

[Riki]

Giving the current situation,and having in mind that money its involved.predictions became difficult due to the extent of possibilities.

[Joe McCarthy]

Russians are too cowardly to start a European war. But they won't have problem backing Serbia if they started some nonsense.

The problem with the Russians is that they seem to delight in inflaming tensions by speaking openly of nuking their neighbors. This happened again just last December. In addition Estonia's president has accused Medvedev of threatening war and Russia and Ukraine could potentially get into it.

I'd say conflict is unlikely but I'd feel better if we didn't have guys like the Russian general that threatened to nuke Poland a few years ago in the Kremlin.

[AR89]

I bet that as soon as NATO soldiers leave balkan countries there will be a war.

I know some italian soldiers that have been there, and they say that they are ready to do it.

[Peyrol]

Where are the potential trouble spots for a new European war and how would it start?

To cover this in detail would require an article and rather than bother with that I'll just briefly mention the places where I think there is some plausibility of a new European war beginning.

Greece vs. Turkey.

Hungary vs. Romania.

Hungary vs. Slovakia.

Hungary vs. Serbia.

Russia vs. Estonia.

Russia vs. The Ukraine.

Serbia vs. Kosovo.

War in Bosnia.

I didn't include possible German belligerence in the above as though I believe it is a possibility, it's not likely for the moment as the German population will take considerable goading for it to put aggressive nationalists in power.

So what are your thoughts?

Secession of northern Italy from central government or vice versa (division of the country in two states north/south).

Unfortunately the party "Lega Nord" (Northern League), a northern italian independentis party, is near 20% on the polls, so this isn't a far possibiliy.

[Karl]

Russia will definitely be involved and the side fighting Russia will be the one who was attacked.

But there will be no wars in Europe, that's quite certain.

[Magyar the Conqueror]

Hungary vs neighbours, most likely Slovaks.
Hungarians who were unlucky enough to be governed by that Banana-"Government" get oppressed every single day and once Jobbik comes to power they wont tolerate it.

I could also imagine a Szekely war for independence, if Kosovo can have theirs then so can we.

[Loddfafner]

If the EU and NATO become weakened, I could see conflict breaking out between Slovakia and Hungary, between any logical combination in Bosnia, and between Serbian and Kosovo.

[Magyar the Conqueror]

Some possibilities for a Eastern/South-Eastern European shitfest.

http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o559/magyarthegreat/blank_europe_map7.gif

[Magyar the Conqueror]

And the result of this 'shitfest' will be

http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o559/magyarthegreat/blank_europe_map8.gif

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:cheer_icoon::grouphug::grouphug::love0044::fdgd: :bearhug: :bearhug:

In Central and SouthEastern Europe forever and ever and ever!!!

This is the most natural and optimum layout of the region, we must settle this amongst ourselves, otherwise there will never be peace.

[Karl]

Some possibilities for a Eastern/South-Eastern European shitfest.

http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o559/magyarthegreat/blank_europe_map7.gif

Hungary attacking 5 countries at the same time and winning?

Makes perfect sense.

[Indiohammer]

Serbia vs Kosovo.

[AR89]

Secession of northern Italy from central government or vice versa (division of the country in two states north/south).

Unfortunately the party "Lega Nord" (Northern League), a northern italian independentis party, is near 20% on the polls, so this isn't a far possibiliy.

I higly doubt it, many people don't vote Lega Nord for the secession, but to have less immigrants, and most of all for money. These aren't good reason to start a war, and in any case they are a minority, and wold lost.

[Peyrol]

I higly doubt it, many people don't vote Lega Nord for the secession, but to have less immigrants, and most of all for money. These aren't good reason to start a war, and in any case they are a minority, and wold lost.

I hope :D

[Ánleifr]

Not in Europe but will impact and/or cause European's to enter will probably be Iran. As much as I hate to say that Iran is getting closer and closer each day to either strike, or defend from a strike from Israel. When these two clash who knows what is going to happen, I am sure Russia and the US will jump in.

[Peyrol]

And the result of this 'shitfest' will be

http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o559/magyarthegreat/blank_europe_map8.gif

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:cheer_icoon::grouphug::grouphug::love0044::fdgd: :bearhug: :bearhug:

In Central and SouthEastern Europe forever and ever and ever!!!

This is the most natural and optimum layout of the region, we must settle this amongst ourselves, otherwise there will never be peace.


Why not this?

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090219102137/nonciclopedia/images/c/cc/Neuropa.jpg

[Magyar the Conqueror]

Why not this?

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090219102137/nonciclopedia/images/c/cc/Neuropa.jpg

Because its stupid, thats why.

[Peyrol]

Because its stupid, thats why.

Well, your map of Great Hungary includes Istria, that was a venetian land from centuries (from middle ages until 1815 when was given to Absburg Empire) and italian until 1945.

[Magyar the Conqueror]

Well, your map of Great Hungary includes Istria, that was a venetian land from centuries (from middle ages until 1815 when was given to Absburg Empire) and italian until 1945.

It doesnt?

[Loddfafner]

And the result of this 'shitfest' will be

http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o559/magyarthegreat/blank_europe_map8.gif


A more likely result is one that will leave the Hungarians wishing they had been satisfied with the comparatively generous Trianon borders.

[Magyar the Conqueror]

A more likely result is one that will leave the Hungarians wishing they had been satisfied with the comparatively generous Trianon borders.

:confused::confused:

[Mordid]

This one is much accurate:
http://i903.photobucket.com/albums/ac236/david100_photo/europe.jpg

[Loddfafner]

:confused::confused:

All that remains to be determined is exactly where the borders will lie between the Slovak, Romanian, Serbian, and Austrian occupation zones. It will be a disaster of course. I doubt that Slovaks are capable of administrating Budapest. Maybe the capital should be a special UN zone, similar to Kosovo.

[Thraex]

And the result of this 'shitfest' will be



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:cheer_icoon::grouphug::grouphug::love0044::fdgd: :bearhug: :bearhug:

In Central and SouthEastern Europe forever and ever and ever!!!

This is the most natural and optimum layout of the region, we must settle this amongst ourselves, otherwise there will never be peace.

Northern Dobrudja is Romanian these days, no point to have it incorporated into Bulgaria. Also a majority of territories given to Hungary on the map is majority non-Hungarian...

Greece:

North Epirus, Cyprus and Southern portion of Eastern Thrace + Constantinople annexed to Greece

Bulgaria:

Vardar Macedonia excluding Tetovo and Debar, Odrin, Western Outlands annexed to Bulgaria

Serbia:

Annexes Montenegro and maybe Serbian Bosnia

Croatia:

Annexes Herzegovinan areas where Croats are the majority

Hungary:

Annexes Szeklerland and Southern Slovakia... and maybe Subotica too.

Albania:

Albanian Kosovo (excluding Northern Kosovo) and Tetovo, Debar annexed to Albania

Romania:

In exchange for losing Szeklerland, they get to annex Moldova finally...

[Joe McCarthy]

:confused::confused:

Think this:

Third Partition of Poland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Partition_of_Poland)

Think very carefully my Magyar friends. VERY carefully.

[Man of Steel]

England v Cornish National Liberation Army

[Magyar the Conqueror]

All that remains to be determined is exactly where the borders will lie between the Slovak, Romanian, Serbian, and Austrian occupation zones. It will be a disaster of course. I doubt that Slovaks are capable of administrating Budapest. Maybe the capital should be a special UN zone, similar to Kosovo.

Yes, they all want our land, and have wanted it for the past 1100 years :coffee:

[Magyar the Conqueror]

Think this:

Third Partition of Poland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Partition_of_Poland)

Think very carefully my Magyar friends. VERY carefully.

Oh we already have experiences with this my American friends.

http://fusz.hu/uploadpic/Trianon_mapa(1).jpg

[Duke]

Well, your map of Great Hungary includes Istria, that was a venetian land from centuries (from middle ages until 1815 when was given to Absburg Empire) and italian until 1945.

yet only italians there were immigrants and soldiers, who after all of their time there didnt manage to Italianate people

Dude it was mostly native Istrians who kicked your butts out once they got weapons

[Duke]

Oh we already have experiences with this my American friends.

http://fusz.hu/uploadpic/Trianon_mapa(1).jpg

Haha, Magyar land my ass, go back to steppe

[Magyar the Conqueror]

Haha, Magyar land my ass, go back to steppe

Do you want me to edit out Croatia? Because I don't want it on there either, its just hard to find posters like these without it.

Imagine it without Croatia, better now?

[Thraex]

Northern Dobrudja is Romanian these days, no point to have it incorporated into Bulgaria. Also a majority of territories given to Hungary on the map is majority non-Hungarian...

Greece:

North Epirus, Cyprus and Southern portion of Eastern Thrace + Constantinople annexed to Greece

Bulgaria:

Vardar Macedonia excluding Tetovo and Debar, Odrin, Western Outlands annexed to Bulgaria

Serbia:

Annexes Montenegro and maybe Serbian Bosnia

Croatia:

Annexes Herzegovinan areas where Croats are the majority

Hungary:

Annexes Szeklerland and Southern Slovakia... and maybe Subotica too.

Albania:

Albanian Kosovo (excluding Northern Kosovo) and Tetovo, Debar annexed to Albania

Romania:

In exchange for losing Szeklerland, they get to annex Moldova finally...

Of course, this kind of suggestion isn't extreme enough. All of Balkans to Hungary.

[Duke]

Oh we already have experiences with this my American friends.

http://fusz.hu/uploadpic/Trianon_mapa(1).jpg


Do you want me to edit out Croatia? Because I don't want it on there either, its just hard to find posters like these without it.

Imagine it without Croatia, better now?

o yea its better, i just think we are lucky we still exist, since most of our neighbors think our land is theirs, plus the turks who took the middle.

For instance that Italian midget, thinks Istria is Itallian because it was occupied, not by Italians BTW since they didnt exist back then, but Venetians.

[Joe McCarthy]

Oh we already have experiences with this my American friends.

http://fusz.hu/uploadpic/Trianon_mapa(1).jpg

No, you haven't. Trianon didn't wipe Hungary off the map. The Third Partition destroyed Polish sovereignty for over a century.

[Magyar the Conqueror]

No, you haven't. Trianon didn't wipe Hungary off the map. The Third Partition destroyed Polish sovereignty for over a century.

Poland is still there, and Poles still exist.
You lose, Poland wins.

Anyway, Trianon wiped MOST of Hungary off the map.
The Turks wiped quite a bit of Hungary off the map, but we recovered from that, we will recover from Trianon.

[Thraex]

Poland is still there, and Poles still exist.
You lose, Poland wins.

Anyway, Trianon wiped MOST of Hungary off the map.

... and gave back non-Hungarian lands filled with non-Hungarians to non-Hungarian countries meanwhile Hungary proper gets to maintain absolute ethnic majority. A win-win situation.

[Magyar the Conqueror]

... and gave back non-Hungarian lands filled with non-Hungarians to non-Hungarian countries meanwhile Hungary proper gets to maintain absolute ethnic majority. A win-win situation.

1/3 of the Hungarian population was outside the Hungary "proper" borders.

Also the fact that we have minorities there doesnt change anything, even with 0 Hungarians those lands would still be hours.

We were a majority there, but Turks killed a lot of villages, so Vlach and Slav settlers came on cow wagons and settled illegally in Hungarian villages.

Population means nothing, if you think it does go and talk to a Serb about Albanian majority in Kosovo :thumbs up

[Geminus]

I didn't include possible German belligerence in the above as though I believe it is a possibility, it's not likely for the moment as the German population will take considerable goading for it to put aggressive nationalists in power.

Don't worry about German belligerence. We know that as long as the USA are the worlds superpower it would be like a Third Punic War for Germany, if it would start any major conflict...

[Peyrol]

yet only italians there were immigrants and soldiers, who after all of their time there didnt manage to Italianate people

Dude it was mostly native Istrians who kicked your butts out once they got weapons

300,000 people (most of them lived in Istria since venetian times) were kicked out by Tito after annexation of Istria to Jugoslavia, and many others (about 30,000) were killed by slovene partizans (http://sh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fojbe).
That's a matter of fact, not an opinion.

[Corraidh]

My guess would be somewhere in the Balkans.

[rashka]

Hungary vs neighbours, most likely Slovaks.
Hungarians who were unlucky enough to be governed by that Banana-"Government" get oppressed every single day and once Jobbik comes to power they wont tolerate it.


They should be so lucky to consider themselves Slovakian. :D

[rashka]

Some possibilities for a Eastern/South-Eastern European shitfest.

http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o559/magyarthegreat/blank_europe_map7.gif

You forgot Slovenia and Italy, Germany and Poland.

[Guapo]

Oh we already have experiences with this my American friends.

http://fusz.hu/uploadpic/Trianon_mapa(1).jpg

Trianon kmee kmee



For instance that Italian midget, thinks Istria is Itallian because it was occupied, not by Italians BTW since they didnt exist back then, but Venetians.

But after World War I and the dissolution of Austria-Hungary, Istria was given to Italy. Croatia didn't exist back then.

[rashka]

We were a majority there, but Turks killed a lot of villages, so Vlach and Slav settlers came on cow wagons and settled illegally in Hungarian villages.
That whole area was the primeval homeland of the Slavs, the real majority, so how could they have come in illegally? :mad:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=21185&stc=1&d=1329886041

[derLowe]

“If there is ever another war in Europe, it will come out of some damned silly thing in the Balkans”. Otto von Bismarck quotes

[Loddfafner]

Shouldn't Istria be Slovenian?

[Joe McCarthy]

“If there is ever another war in Europe, it will come out of some damned silly thing in the Balkans”. Otto von Bismarck quotes

Uttered pre-Trianon.

Jobbik is a fascist threat:

Jobbik ties with Socialists in new Ipsos poll (http://www.politics.hu/20111215/jobbik-ties-with-socialists-in-new-ipsos-poll/)


The opposition radical nationalist and Socialist parties are neck-and-neck in the polls while the pool of uncommitted voters is exceptionally high, according to a December survey by Ipsos published on Wednesday.

The ratio of voters turned off politics rose to 54 percent in December, the Ipsos poll found.

Jobbik’s star has risen steadily, and the radical party now commands 24 percent of decided voters and 10 percent of the whole sample, up from 9 percent in November. This compares to 11 and 24 percent respectively for the Socialists, which has seen its support dwindle from 12 percent in the previous month.


http://publici.ucimc.org/2011/12/%E2%80%9Chungarian-tea-party%E2%80%9D-or-%E2%80%9Coccupy-brussels%E2%80%9D/


The Jobbik are known for their demands for the ‘lost’ Hungarian territory, allocated to neighboring countries in the post-World War I settlement; overt racism and violence against Roma, gays and foreigners; and an associated paramilitary arm that carries out street demonstrations in uniform and employing insignia and a salute reminiscent of the Arrow Cross, the Hungarian fascist movement of the 1930s and ‘40s. Yet they are the only parliamentary party calling outright for withdrawal from the European Union, are harshly critical of the international financial system, and strongly defend (at least rhetorically) the living standards of ordinary Hungarians.

[derLowe]

Uttered pre-Trianon.

Jobbik is a fascist threat:

Jobbik ties with Socialists in new Ipsos poll (http://www.politics.hu/20111215/jobbik-ties-with-socialists-in-new-ipsos-poll/)



http://publici.ucimc.org/2011/12/%E2%80%9Chungarian-tea-party%E2%80%9D-or-%E2%80%9Coccupy-brussels%E2%80%9D/

I know the date of the quote and what has transpired since. What I find interesting, is that after all this time the quote might still apply.

[Joe McCarthy]

I know the date of the quote and what has transpired since. What I find interesting, is that after all this time the quote might still apply.

Yes, the Balkans is an ever present cauldron. We see it even on this forum. I had the misfortune of stepping into yet another Balkan shitfest a little while ago, and found myself in a crossfire. :)

The Magyars though are stirring and I wouldn't be surprised if they have to be dealt with in the near future.

[derLowe]

Yes, the Balkans is an ever present cauldron. We see it even on this forum. I had the misfortune of stepping into yet another Balkan shitfest a little while ago, and found myself in a crossfire. :)

The Magyars though are stirring and I wouldn't be surprised if they have to be dealt with in the near future.

When the shit hits the fan between Balkan people it is best to retreat and watch. Luckily for us on the internet world these "wars" are fought only with words so no one can get injured.

The Magyars are certainly getting more aggressive and Nationalistic, which I believe it is a good thing in the context of a nation. In the context of a larger union like the EU these qualities are detrimental and might destabilize the union. I think you are right, the EU might try to handle them, probably they will not do it the right way. Until that day comes, I will enjoy watching the developments in Hungary, the rest of the EU seems rather dull and listless in comparison.

[Magyar the Conqueror]

Uttered pre-Trianon.

Jobbik is a fascist threat:

Jobbik ties with Socialists in new Ipsos poll (http://www.politics.hu/20111215/jobbik-ties-with-socialists-in-new-ipsos-poll/)



http://publici.ucimc.org/2011/12/%E2%80%9Chungarian-tea-party%E2%80%9D-or-%E2%80%9Coccupy-brussels%E2%80%9D/

Please that quote it so old, Jobbik has beaten the Socialists and is the second largest party in Hungary. 2011 was the year of Jobbik, and they are rising while the situation in Hungary is darkening.

[dralos]

Please that quote it so old, Jobbik has beaten the Socialists and is the second largest party in Hungary. 2011 was the year of Jobbik, and they are rising while the situation in Hungary is darkening.

magyar you think hungary is strong enough to cause a war against some other country but first against gypsies

[Magyar the Conqueror]

The Magyars though are stirring and I wouldn't be surprised if they have to be dealt with in the near future.

What we do is our problem, nobody has a right to tell Hungarians what they want.

[Nixon]

My guess is it will start in the suburbs surrounding Paris that are filled with all those Muslims and North African blacks. It's pretty much a war zone there now from I understand.

[пустиняк]

I hope to not be on the Balkan peninsula. All people are tired of wars except brave Serbs on this forum.

[Magyar the Conqueror]

My guess is it will start in the suburbs surrounding Paris that are filled with all those Muslims and North African blacks. It's pretty much a war zone there now from I understand.

Yup, a civil war with Muslims demanding more rights for their faith (aka everyone has to be muslim or they will get stoned to death) is pretty likely.

[dralos]

I hope to not be on the Balkan peninsula. All people are tired of wars except brave Serbs on this forum.
it probably will be in the balkan with lena as a commander and minesweeper would be the general bcs he seems to be an expert on guns:D and some other loonies as footsoldiers.this all will happen in the dreams of all brave serbs while in real life everyone in serbia would be sitting on their fat ass:D

[Radojica]

it probably will be in the balkan with lena as a commander and minesweeper would be the general bcs he seems to be an expert on guns:D and some other loonies as footsoldiers.this all will happen in the dreams of all brave serbs while in real life everyone in serbia would be sitting on their fat ass:D

Yes, Albanians would know everything about winning some war on their own :yawn:


@topic

According to you, I either: pack my things and leave while I still have time, or take that old, rusty gun to clean it, oil it, and prepare for fireworks...

How nice of you, now go and make your own wars with and within your countries involved, leave Serbia out of your wicked dreams as 20 years of wars in last 100 years is more than enough...

[dralos]

According to you, I either: pack my things and leave while I still have time, or take that old, rusty gun to clean it, oil it, and prepare for fireworks...

How nice of you, now go and make your own wars with and within your countries involved, leave Serbia out of your wicked dreams as 20 years of wars in last 100 years is more than enough...
radojica to who is this directed,and it is the serbs who here are thinking and preparing for war while all the others don't want war

[Magyar the Conqueror]

radojica to who is this directed,and it is the serbs who here are thinking and preparing for war while all the others don't want war

Thats easy for somebody to say whose profited from the last war.

How about this, Greece annexes half of Albania, and then me and the Serbs will tell you to stop wanting war and remain peaceful.

[Radojica]

radojica to who is this directed,and it is the serbs who here are thinking and preparing for war while all the others don't want war

not to you, but to topic and I gave you the reply to your own...

neither of us here is specialist on arms, have some serious war experience and what is more neither of us is above 30 (excluding Guapo who don't live in Serbia), so all of us were between 10 and 17 years old when the war happened. This is just forum and I am more than sure that not a single sane person would be eager to go to war.

[dralos]

Thats easy for somebody to say whose profited from the last war.

How about this, Greece annexes half of Albania, and then me and the Serbs will tell you to stop wanting war and remain peaceful.
who did profit from the last war,my whole house was burned to the ground i certantely did not profit anything,thousands of albanians died,where is the profiting here,serbia still hasn't accepted our independance so where is the profiting here

[dralos]

Yes, Albanians would know everything about winning some war on their own :yawn:


@topic

According to you, I either: pack my things and leave while I still have time, or take that old, rusty gun to clean it, oil it, and prepare for fireworks...

How nice of you, now go and make your own wars with and within your countries involved, leave Serbia out of your wicked dreams as 20 years of wars in last 100 years is more than enough...
radojica serbs neither,you guys always had the backing of russia go look at serbia's worst enemy thread

[Radojica]

radojica serbs neither,you guys always had the backing of russia go look at serbia's worst enemy thread

and :icon_ask: in that particular thread some serious and world known historians were debating, or?

Russia surely helped Serbia on political stage and in some cases indirectly (after Russian-Turkish war where Westerners actually were helping Ottomans which helped Serbia and other Balkan states to gain their independence from Ottoman Empire, so it was not help to the Serbs only, but other Slavic people from the Balkans), also, there were no Russian soldiers in Serbia in 1st, 2nd Balkan wars, neither in WWI and in WWII they helped "liberation" of Serbia by pillaging, raping and killing of the villagers where they were passing by (especially in Eastern Serbia), many were not, but many did, as Tito told to his comrade Stalin that those are mostly of those Serbs who support Royal colonel Draza Mihajlovic and not Communist Partisans. After Infobiro in 1948 Yugoslavia was one of a few European countries who actually disobeyed to Soviets and even wanted to send help to Hungary when Soviet tanks rolled to Budapest, BUT in the case Russia REALLY helped Serbia in the last 20th years, I am more than sure you would not be writing here now and your burned home would be your last worry. US managed to put a stick between Russia and Serbia and I am not sure if Serbia and Russia will ever again be in the same, or at least similar position as before...

[EWtt]

In addition Estonia's president has accused Medvedev of threatening war

The thing is that Russians are moving more and more hardware into Pskov/Leningrad oblasts (i.e. our direct vicinity) and Kaliningrad, in response to the NATO missile shield plan as they have stated themselves. They also like to probe the security of our airspace, pretty often NATO fighters have to escort them out (though Russians probe like this everywhere).

A conflict here is improbable, I think. Alright, we don't have a proper border treaty with them. A conflict over that? Finnish Winter War false flag vol II? Our parliament would have given the Petserimaa and Viru-Ingeri areas away, Russians didn't like the mention of the Treaty of Tartu as the basis of Estonian independence (they think it would still give us a chance to claim those areas). Russians have showed continued interest in signing a treaty, though (perhaps it's important for them since they have showed interest in EU visa freedom).

We also have the largely Russian-settled Ida-Virumaa county, yet I doubt they would pull off another South Ossetia/Abkhazia type of situation. The Russians here aren't so organized and only a few pro-commie extremists might take this seriously. This would be the most viable threat, though, and so the well-known Russian humanitarians would come "defend their citizens". And why couldn't they do this in case of Latvia or better yet, Eastern Ukraine?

I tend to think a war here would only break out as part of a larger confrontation between NATO and Russia, whether it jumps off in the Balkans or Iran or elsewhere.

[dralos]

and :icon_ask: in that particular thread some serious and world known historians were debating, or?

Russia surely helped Serbia on political stage and in some cases indirectly (after Russian-Turkish war where Westerners actually were helping Ottomans which helped Serbia and other Balkan states to gain their independence from Ottoman Empire, so it was not help to the Serbs only, but other Slavic people from the Balkans), also, there were no Russian soldiers in Serbia in 1st, 2nd Balkan wars, neither in WWI and in WWII they helped "liberation" of Serbia by pillaging, raping and killing of the villagers where they were passing by (especially in Eastern Serbia), many were not, but many did, as Tito told to his comrade Stalin that those are mostly of those Serbs who support Royal colonel Draza Mihajlovic and not Communist Partisans. After Infobiro in 1948 Yugoslavia was one of a few European countries who actually disobeyed to Soviets and even wanted to send help to Hungary when Soviet tanks rolled to Budapest, BUT in the case Russia REALLY helped Serbia in the last 20th years, I am more than sure you would not be writing here now and your burned home would be your last worry. US managed to put a stick between Russia and Serbia and I am not sure if Serbia and Russia will ever again be in the same, or at least similar position as before...
what about all those russian mercenaries,in the yuglsavian war then?

[lepa]

One greek historian of turkish origin said that there will be war between Bulgaria and Albania for FYROM.

[пустиняк]

One greek historian of turkish origin said that there will be war between Bulgaria and Albania for FYROM.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Thraex]

One greek historian of turkish origin said that there will be war between Bulgaria and Albania for FYROM.

Albanian tank:

Tya70rtLhqg

:laugh:

[Duke]

300,000 people (most of them lived in Istria since venetian times) were kicked out by Tito after annexation of Istria to Jugoslavia, and many others (about 30,000) were killed by slovene partizans (http://sh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fojbe).
That's a matter of fact, not an opinion.

Lol, there is no houses even now in Istria that would even come close to housing that much population.

It was native Istrians who kicked you out, with bit of outside help.

Why, you may ask?
Maybe because you guys were occupators.

Even in Venetia, there weren't many Venetians there, just beurocarts, and their families.

You also forget Italians were arming, and inviting Chethnicks all over Croatia, and BiH

[Peyrol]

Lol, there is no houses even now in Istria that would even come close to housing that much population.

It was native Istrians who kicked you out, with bit of outside help.

Why, you may ask?
Maybe because you guys were occupators.

Even in Venetia, there weren't many Venetians there, just beurocarts, and their families.

You also forget Italians were arming, and inviting Chethnicks all over Croatia, and BiH

Thnic composition of Istria in 1910

It seems that not all were "occupators", don't you?

http://www.lagrangenew.it/MEMORIALE/10febbraio/IMMAGINI/Istria_etnie_rid.jpg

And this is the actual italophone parts

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/it/thumb/6/69/Istria_italiani_2001.png/300px-Istria_italiani_2001.png


I'm not talking about "return of Istria to Italy" (we are in 2012, not in 1918), i'm only show the fact that Tito's slovene partizans made a genocide and a forced leaving for most part of italo-istriots, in the same ways soviet pushed out germans from Schlesien, Ostpommern and Preussen.

[Duke]

Thnic composition of Istria in 1910

It seems that not all were "occupators", don't you?

http://www.lagrangenew.it/MEMORIALE/10febbraio/IMMAGINI/Istria_etnie_rid.jpg

And this is the actual italophone parts

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/it/thumb/6/69/Istria_italiani_2001.png/300px-Istria_italiani_2001.png


I'm not talking about "return of Istria to Italy" (we are in 2012, not in 1918), i'm only show the fact that Tito's slovene partizans made a genocide and a forced leaving for most part of italo-istriots, in the same ways soviet pushed out germans from Schlesien, Ostpommern and Preussen.


One think is italophone, and other is Italians.
Remember, you guys were trying to Venetinaze all the parts Venetia had.



Even today most of these italophone Istrians have italianized Croatian surnames, and to me thats just funny.

On another note, you were arming chethnicks, and sole purpose of them was to kill as many Croats as they could, even those in Istria.

300.000 number you stated before is funny, because Istria is mostly small villages of few thousand people, with biggest town of 50.000.

Today there are 200.000 people living in Istria.

As for "genocide", and what we call "Jazovke" where Croats were also thrown by commies, i know its fucked up.

[Geronimo]

Russia REALLY helped Serbia in the last 20th years

How exactly did Russia helped Serbia in the last 20 years, apart from voting against NATO's intervention in Serbia and not recognizing Kosovo (actions that count for nothing, really) ?

[Guapo]

Albanian tank:

Tya70rtLhqg

:laugh:

:laugh:

[Gordon Bennett]

So, in reference to the original question 'Where will the next European war start?', the answer is: The Apricity Forum.

[Peyrol]

One think is italophone, and other is Italians.
Remember, you guys were trying to Venetinaze all the parts Venetia had.



Even today most of these italophone Istrians have italianized Croatian surnames, and to me thats just funny.

On another note, you were arming chethnicks, and sole purpose of them was to kill as many Croats as they could, even those in Istria.

300.000 number you stated before is funny, because Istria is mostly small villages of few thousand people, with biggest town of 50.000.

Today there are 200.000 people living in Istria.

As for "genocide", and what we call "Jazovke" where Croats were also thrown by commies, i know its fucked up.

Not "we" as whole ethniticy, was the fascist general Rodolfo Graziani ( governor of Ethiopia and after commander of the italian forces in Carnia/Friul), that was one of Pavelic (who had no esitation to give to Mussolini the entire Dalmazia from Krk to Dubrovnik, a very "nationalist" :laugh:) best friends, who armed some chethnicks brigades in the last year of War.

The number (that comprend also the slovene part) it's true, you can read the diary of Milovan Gilas for this.

[Guapo]

dalmazia je albanija

[Peyrol]

dalmazia je albanija

Albania je Indonesia.

[Magyar the Conqueror]

Istria je Hrvatska

[Joe McCarthy]

How exactly did Russia helped Serbia in the last 20 years, apart from voting against NATO's intervention in Serbia and not recognizing Kosovo (actions that count for nothing, really) ?

One thing very detrimental to US and NATO interests was accomplished by the Serbs: Russia (and China, as Milosevic was their shoeshine boy too) vetoing the use of force in the UN Security Council forced the Western powers to coordinate the attack through NATO, which is only supposed to be a defensive alliance. It damaged NATO's credibility somewhat, which could have long term adverse consequences for the Atlantic alliance.

[Duke]

Not "we" as whole ethniticy, was the fascist general Rodolfo Graziani ( governor of Ethiopia and after commander of the italian forces in Carnia/Friul), that was one of Pavelic (who had no esitation to give to Mussolini the entire Dalmazia from Krk to Dubrovnik, a very "nationalist" :laugh:) best friends, who armed some chethnicks brigades in the last year of War.

The number (that comprend also the slovene part) it's true, you can read the diary of Milovan Gilas for this.

Jazovke in Slovenia that were found till today we consisting mostly of Croats, and Slovens, because of uniforms, and metal parts of them, that were found by remains

;)

[Duke]

.....

[Magyar the Conqueror]

South Tyrol je Deutschland

[Peyrol]

Jazovke in Slovenia that were found till today we consisting mostly of Croats, and Slovens, because of uniforms, and metal parts of them.

;)

Well, maybe you don't understand...i'm not arguing that there was no killing of yugloslav soldier/partizans by italian fascists and german nazis, i'm only saying that there was a persecution, many massacres and a forced exodus of italian childrens, women, older people and men after the war.
That's all.

[Dilberth]

dalmazia je albanija

No,you confused it with Kosovo

[Peyrol]

South Tyrol je Deutschland

With the birthrate of 0,9 children/woman, austrian sudtirolers would become extinct until 2050, if they don't make more babies.

[Duke]

Well, maybe you don't understand...i'm not arguing that there was no killing of yugloslav soldier/partizans by italian fascists and german nazis, i'm only saying that there was a persecution, many massacres and a forced exodus of italian childrens, women, older people and men after the war.
That's all.

It was comie thing, mostly influenced by Stalinists.

Commies were worst if you ask me, but we needed to get rid of Italian leeches, who were upon our people to long.

My only regret is wasn't done peacefully, or with integration

[Peyrol]

It was comie thing, mostly influenced by Stalinists.

Commies were worst if you ask me, but we needed to get rid of Italian leeches, who were upon our people to long.

My only regret is wasn't done peacefully, or with integration

That's the point: for centuries, both italians and croats have lived in Istria in peace, with great cooperation between each others.

I always wonder, if fascism never come, if the multiethnic state of "Slobodna Drzava Rjieka / Stato Libero di Fiume / Fiumei Szabadállam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_State_of_Fiume)" could work well. Unfortunately, first italian fascism and then titoism/communism ruined everything.

[Romanion]

To Hungarian posters that want peices of every country around them, have you thought exactly how you would acomplish this? I looked at Hungaries army and it pales in comparison to even Romania, so I think this is just a pipe dream.

[mymy]

Let's hope that the new European war won't start and work on it, instead to make predictions about it... :)

[Joe McCarthy]

Let's hope that the new European war won't start and work on it, instead to make predictions about it... :)

Identifying the trouble areas early enough could prevent it before it's too late. Personally, I think the main attention should probably shift away from the Balkans and toward Jobbik in Hungary. These guys are lunatics and they're rising rapidly.

[Siberyak]

Identifying the trouble areas early enough could prevent it before it's too late. Personally, I think the main attention should probably shift away from the Balkans and toward Jobbik in Hungary. These guys are lunatics and they're rising rapidly.

The neo cons in the USA are lunatics

[mymy]

Identifying the trouble areas early enough could prevent it before it's too late. Personally, I think the main attention should probably shift away from the Balkans and toward Jobbik in Hungary. These guys are lunatics and they're rising rapidly.

I agree. Better find the way to prevent the war than suffer latter and deal damage and the most important-death of the innocent. Why do you think the ways of prevention are?

As for the Jobbik and other similar parties, everything is about people of certain country, in case you mentioned, Hungary.

[Joe McCarthy]

I agree. Better find the way to prevent the war than suffer latter and deal damage and the most important-death of the innocent. Why do you think the ways of prevention are?

As for the Jobbik and other similar parties, everything is about people of certain country, in case you mentioned, Hungary.

A good economy can solve much of it as well as the credible threat of force as a response to aggression. Currently Hungary has an unemployment rate over 10%. Jobbik is playing on that.

[Jake Featherston]

Cyprus

I predict (and hope for) a Greek victory.

[Soul System]

The neo cons in the USA are lunatics

This is more in the line of what I believe the next European war to be. Looking like a general civil war at a micro scale between conflicting views of the world.

The neocons are "artifacts", their ideology is not backed by clear spiritual or moral choices. They serve interests of the the wealthy who created them.

Now, a "red state" US American is something different than a neocon or a Tea Party artifact. He has something he willing to die for (and to kill for before it comes to the end).

I don't see people willing to die for some middle-class nonsense like anarchism or liberlaism (in the US sense of the word), but I certainly do see people wanting to get rid of extremists of any colour or creed.

The aftermath of the Thirty Years War had such a widespread aversion against fanatics.

[lepa]

I hope yes, it should be epic. :D