Swedish Feminists Are So Bored They’re Telling Men How to Sit on the Bus

[CelticViking]

Sweden has a reputation as having the most equal relations between the sexes in the world—it’s a place where male politicians are voted "woman of the year" by feminists, where young dads on paternity leave take toddlers for play dates while their wives work, where a preschool can casually ban gendered pronouns. A recent World Economic Forum report claimed Sweden is the most gender equal country in the world.

Yet some Swedish women apparently think that the image of the Nordic country as a feminist's paradise is just a veneer hiding deep-seated misogyny. Their evidence? Men slouching and taking up more than one seat on buses, trains, and subways.

To counter this "normalized expression of power" (that’s what they call slouching), a group of firebrand feminists have set up a blog called "Macho i Kollektivtrafiken" ("Macho in Public Transport"), encouraging readers to send in sneaky snaps of men in relaxed poses. The aim is to spread awareness of a "symbolic and active recreation not just of power, but of a stereotypical form of masculinity."

Do Swedish women really feel threatened by men who slouch on the subway? Can this seriously be construed as a feminist issue? Do feminists today really view women as weaklings who are traumatized by straddle-legged passengers and who don't have the guts to tell men to scooch over? It's tempting to suggest that the women posting pictures of slouching men online should grow a pair, and point out that feminists have fought hard to shake the image of women as thin-skinned victims off and to prove that women have agency, gumption, and power.

Read more here
http://www.vice.com/read/swedish-feminists-are-so-bored-theyre-telling-men-how-to-sit-on-the-bus

[Mary]

I'm with the Feminists on this one. People here are peasants with no manners, especially the men, it's a matter of common courtesy.

[Styggnacke]

I'm with the Feminists on this one. People here a peasants with no manners, especially the men, it's a matter of common courtesy.
So, sitting like this means that you're acting like a peasant?
http://machoikollektivtrafiken.se/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/2012-02-29-21.20.41.jpg

[Styggnacke]

Russian manner:
http://edge.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/312943/763720.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ahuvxRitU74/TBnxBX_bWNI/AAAAAAAAQjU/29wXwVKc7jw/s1600/drunk_russia.jpg

[Mary]

So, sitting like this means that you're acting like a peasant?
http://machoikollektivtrafiken.se/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/2012-02-29-21.20.41.jpg

Yes.

[Mary]

Russian manner:

This isn't about Russia. You should start a separate thread if you want to discuss that.

[CelticViking]

This isn't about Russia. You should start a separate thread if you want to discuss that.

You were just talking about Romania.

[Mary]

You were just talking about Romania.

No, I was talking about Sweden, I live here. See my location.

[Styggnacke]

Yes.
Please elaborate.

This isn't about Russia. You should start a separate thread if you want to discuss that.
Why? Because me effectively demonstrating the primitive nature of Russians (in comparision to Swedes) makes it look that you're being a pot that is calling the kettle black?

[Olika]

Russian manner:
http://edge.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/312943/763720.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ahuvxRitU74/TBnxBX_bWNI/AAAAAAAAQjU/29wXwVKc7jw/s1600/drunk_russia.jpg
you can enjoy it.

[The Lawspeaker]

I think that it would be a very good idea to slash subsidies to feminist organisations as they clearly have become organisations without any useful goal: equality between Swedish men and woman has been arranged and set in stone.

So these feminists have become so bored that they are trying to look for issues that actually have nothing to do with the equality between men and women (but just with society becoming less and less chivalrous) and have become a meddlesome, irrelevant and costly nuisance.

[Mary]

Please elaborate.

The bum should make room for other people. It's common courtesy.


Why? Because me effectively demonstrating the primitive nature of Russians (in comparision to Swedes) makes it look that you're being a pot that is calling the kettle black?

Two wrongs don't make one right.

[ikki]

I cannot fit on a single bus seat. Its impossible. Those are built for some 120cm and 30kg tiny asians.

Sitting on the outer seat, my shoulders take half of the other seat. Or on the inner, and make it difficult for people to get past who walk past, and the one sitting on the outer seat still has my shoulders over theirs. Most likely my elbows straight between the feminists tits.
And thats me crossing my arms to become as small as possible.

And then if actually going to the gym with clothes etc, or shopping and returning with a single plastic bag of groceries... and im busy taking that whole other seat again.
Let alone being so radical as to haul home a office chair or some such. But maybe i need to hire a truck and pollute 5kg of extra CO2 for that, brutally murdering planet earth?

[Styggnacke]

The bum should make room for other people. It's common courtesy.
Why? There is no one sitting next to him.

[Mary]

Why? There is no one sitting next to him.

So that people have room to walk past him and sit there. It's just rude.

[Óttar]

These are the same who tried to outlaw peeing standing up. They are clearly some kind of Nazi, except to say such would be to insult Nazis.

To them I extend a big, phallic, middle finger.

[Mary]

These are the same who tried to outlaw peeing standing up. They are clearly some kind of Nazi, except to say such would be to insult Nazis.

To them I extend a big, phallic, middle finger.

Classy.

[Hurrem sultana]

some men really sit like if the whole buss is there just for them ...i could sit like that as well if i wanted to,sit like a normal human

[Dacul]

Why swedish feminists are not concerned about the fact that human resources department who in most companies have the last word on hiring someone or not is mostly composed by females?
You do not think those females are disrcriminating males,if let us say a male candidate comes at interview and he have a higher level of knowledgement and he is more tolerant and more willing to accept criticism and more wiling to work hard and a female candidate,intolerant,unwiling to accept criticsm,unwiling to work hard,more concerned about her look than other things come?
And she (the female from human resources) will choose the female,because she is female,instead of choosing the male even though the male behaviour and knowledge will be more fit for the job?
Thing is in some countries anti-discrimination laws were implemented and so on so the females from human resources are forced to behave like human,even though some (no ideea what percentage) are not willing to do so.

Look how this swedish feminist is judging the men from Sweden,because she have the impression (maybe the more proper term would be halucination) that men are staying in wrong possitions in bus and they take more space by doing this...
I think in fac she discriminate men and she make generalisations without having any solid dats.
Did any men got angered by this?
No,becuase most men are not like most women to feel offended when someone told something to them.
Because this,geting offended when someone criticise you,is pretty usual to women and this is because of their dumbness.
In romanian,in Transylvania,mostly,there is an old saying "femeia nu e om" which says that "females are not human" - sure is a wrong generalisation,but those people who said I think they did not tell it for nothing.

[tu_veneno]

Instead of telling men how to sit in public transport, Swedes need to consider what to do with the Monkeys and Jihads that are currently marrying their beautiful blonde Viking girls...
Sweden is too liberal. Not liberal, it's ultra-mega-liberal.

[Comte Arnau]

Pffffff. Let them build buses with wider seats for men then and separate passengers by gender. We'll solve a "discrimination" with a bigger one! :D

[Mary]

Pffffff. Let them build buses with wider seats for men then and separate passengers by gender. We'll solve a "discrimination" with a bigger one! :D

I agree, segregated public transport would be awesome.

[tu_veneno]

What's wrong with sitting on the floor, eh:D

[Hurrem sultana]

I agree, segregated public transport would be awesome.

that is a bit going too far, don't you think?

[Mary]

that is a bit going too far, don't you think?

You know you'd like it too. Do you want to sit next to a strange man who keeps splitting his legs on the bus or train?

Here is the referenced blog: http://machoikollektivtrafiken.se/

[Comte Arnau]

that is a bit going too far, don't you think?

No. All men are pervs and they could take profit from occupying so much space to indulge in frotteurism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frotteurism). Segregated buses right now. Apartbus!!!

[Styggnacke]

So that people have room to walk past him and sit there. It's just rude.
So, he couldn't just move his legs if he saw someone who intended to sit there?

[Mary]

No. All men are pervs and they could take profit from occupying so much space to indulge in frotteurism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frotteurism). Segregated buses right now. Apartbus!!!

It seems 15 countries in the world offer segregated public transport. So it's not that strange.

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/06/30/is_women_only_transportation_the_solution

[Comte Arnau]

Frankly, I don't find it odd at all that separated transport exists in such countries, if getting on a packed bus = grope fest. I'd be the first to recommend my gf to get on one of those pink buses.

[Mary]

So, he couldn't just move his legs if he saw someone who intended to sit there?

Do you, as a man, want to sit next to a guy that just did a splitter for the entire train cart? It's creepy and we're going to end up needing segregation.

Here is a blog with harassment stories: http://www.hollabacknyc.blogspot.se/

[Comte Arnau]

Do you, as a man, want to sit next to a guy that just did a splitter for the entire train cart? It's creepy and we're going to end up needing segregation.

I, as a man, was approached by a guy once who seemed to be approaching his hand to my leg. I took my bag and put it in the middle, just in case. He got it and left soon. That day I'd say I felt a bit like a woman, tbh.

[Mary]

I, as a man, was approached by a guy once who seemed to be approaching his hand to my leg. I took my bag and put it in the middle, just in case. He got it and left soon. That day I'd say I felt a bit like a woman, tbh.

Then you know what it's like. You've probably been approached by gays more often than you think, it's just that as a man you don't notice. Sometimes they'll try to walk close to you. Other times they will walk behind you and check out your ass.

[Hurrem sultana]

I, as a man, was approached by a guy once who seemed to be approaching his hand to my leg. I took my bag and put it in the middle, just in case. He got it and left soon. That day I'd say I felt a bit like a woman, tbh.

poor guy :D

[Aramis]

If Japan (and other countries) did it to protect its female population from perverts, then...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/WomensCar_KeioLine.jpg/800px-WomensCar_KeioLine.jpg

[Hurrem sultana]

If Japan (and other countries) can to it to protect its female population from perverts, then...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/WomensCar_KeioLine.jpg/800px-WomensCar_KeioLine.jpg

that sounds pretty nice when you think about it

[CelticViking]

that sounds pretty nice when you think about it

That wouldn't be allowed in NZ LOL.

[Anarch]

I, as a man, was approached by a guy once who seemed to be approaching his hand to my leg. I took my bag and put it in the middle, just in case. He got it and left soon. That day I'd say I felt a bit like a woman, tbh.
Must be a European thing. I would've punched him in the face.

[The Lawspeaker]

Must be a European thing. I would've punched him in the face.
Probably same here in this country. We are not nearly as liberal and effeminate as FOX-viewers seem to think we are.

The official attitudes held by the government, COC and like-minded crap and the personal attitudes towards such stuff are two completely different things here.

[Styggnacke]

Must be a European thing. I would've punched him in the face.
Yeah, it's really bright to punch someone in a train, which have surveillance cameras, witnesses and conductors, because of that. It's like asking for a fine.

[The Lawspeaker]

Yeah, it's really bright to punch someone in a train, which have surveillance cameras, witnesses and conductors, because of that. It's like asking for a fine.
I would accept that bloody fine. No problem because I could give that poof some real legal problems: harassment, particularly if caught on camera, is not really taken up lightly here. :D

[Styggnacke]

I would accept that bloody fine. No problem because I could give that poof some real legal problems: harassment, particularly if caught on camera, is not really taken up lightly here. :D
If I'd punched a gay person for approaching me, it would end up with me paying 2000-10000 kr in fines and nothing happening to him. The best thing to do is just tell him to fuck off.

[Anarch]

Yeah, it's really bright to punch someone in a train, which have surveillance cameras, witnesses and conductors, because of that. It's like asking for a fine.

As Civis Batavi said, I'd rather get a bit of blood across my knuckles than have some faggot try and touch me up, irrespective of the law. Would the police charge a woman for punching a man in the same circumstances? They have the feminist card to play - and I'd outright tell the cops I violently object to some diseased, perverted excuse for a man to reach for my crotch. What's more, the police are sane enough in my country to say 'fair enough', and let me off. If that's your attitude, no wonder you're losing control of your own countries.


If I'd punched a gay person for approaching me, it would end up with me paying 2000-10000 kr in fines and nothing happening to him. The best thing to do is just tell him to fuck off.

That's also a fair response. But no, the gay guy wouldn't get off with nothing happening - he'd have been punched in the face, and probably won't go reaching for the crotches of other guys.

[The Ripper]

You know you're in for a laugh when Swedish feminists sound their battle cry.

Swedish feminism: All men are pigs, and women are equal to men! :D

byQhV-_1GXs

[rhiannon]

So, sitting like this means that you're acting like a peasant?
http://machoikollektivtrafiken.se/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/2012-02-29-21.20.41.jpg

I can't figure out for the life of me just what that person is doing wrong by sitting like that?!?

[Mary]

I can't figure out for the life of me just what that person is doing wrong by sitting like that?!?

He's exposing his crotch?

[The Lawspeaker]

You know you're in for a laugh when Swedish feminists sound their battle cry.

Swedish feminism: All men are pigs, and women are equal to men! :D

byQhV-_1GXs
She just needs to get laid properly. :lightbul:

[rhiannon]

He's exposing his crotch?

Well then, you all would HATE it here. That's how most people sit....especially guys, LOL!!

[riverman]

This...actually is quite ridiculous. Simple solution, the woman asks the man if he can move over a bit so she can take the available seat. :ranger:

[Mary]

This...actually is quite ridiculous. Simple solution, the woman asks the man if he can move over a bit so she can take the available seat. :ranger:

He should get up and leave. No normal woman is going to want to sit next to strange man. Especially not after he has exposed himself like that.

[The Ripper]

He should get up and leave. No normal woman is going to want to sit next to strange man.

Do you consider yourself a normal woman?

[rhiannon]

He should get up and leave. No normal woman is going to want to sit next to strange man. Especially not after he has exposed himself like that.

On a crowded bus or subway, women do it all the time. It's not a big deal at all:)

[Mary]

Do you consider yourself a normal woman?

No, of course not, I'm the only woman who doesn't want to sit next to a male exhibitionist. :rolleyes:

[Mary]

On a crowded bus or subway, women do it all the time. It's not a big deal at all:)

Whatever floats their boat.

[rhiannon]

No, of course not, I'm the only woman who doesn't want to sit next to a male exhibitionist. :rolleyes:

Um...I actually got stuck sitting next to a genuine male flasher/exhibitionist. I was only 10 years old...and everytime I looked down in my lap...he'd move aside his notebook and show me his schlong! It was HORRIBLE and I was pretty damn scared, truth be told.

The person in the picture on this thread is NOT an exhibitionist in the least. He is just a normal dude sitting the way all normal dudes around here tend to:)

[rhiannon]

Whatever floats their boat.

It's not a matter of floating anyone's boat. More a matter of having the comfort of a seat for a long ride in a busy city. People are generally respectful of each others' space on subways or buses.

[Mary]

Um...I actually got stuck sitting next to a genuine male flasher/exhibitionist. I was only 10 years old...and everytime I looked down in my lap...he'd move aside his notebook and show me his schlong! It was HORRIBLE and I was pretty damn scared, truth be told.

The person in the picture on this thread is NOT an exhibitionist in the least. He is just a normal dude sitting the way all normal dudes around here tend to:)

He's just a younger version of the flasher. In 20 years he'll be pulling down his pants in the park. No one is going expose their privates in public unless there's something wrong with them.


It's not a matter of floating anyone's boat. More a matter of having the comfort of a seat for a long ride in a busy city. People are generally respectful of each others' space on subways or buses.

It's more comfortable to stand than to sit next to a strange man, and you know it.

[rhiannon]

He's just a younger version of the flasher. In 20 years he'll be pulling down his pants in the park. No one is going expose their privates in public unless there's something wrong with them.

I disagree. He is not exposing anything. He's just sitting down. How do you expect him to sit? Like a woman in a skirt?

[Mary]

I disagree. He is not exposing anything. He's just sitting down. How do you expect him to sit? Like a woman in a skirt?

The man is splitting his legs.

[The Ripper]

The man is splitting his legs.

Oh the humanity! Won't anyone think of the children and Mary?

[Graham]

For men that are tall, public transport isn't great with little leg room,need to stretch legs. It also isn't as easy to cross legs or keep close together for men. A bit uncomfy :D

But you do get some right weirdos on public transport, in citys. :)

[Graham]

Oh the humanity! Won't anyone think of the children and Mary?
hehe reminds me of the Simpsons.
http://www.ronanlyons.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/helen-lovejoy.jpg

[Mary]

According to a 25-page report [pdf] released this morning, of the 1,790 responses to the questionnaire, two-thirds identified themselves as women. Of the total, nearly two-thirds said they had been sexually harassed in the subways, one-tenth said they had been sexually assaulted and more than two-thirds percent said they had “felt the threat of sexual assault or harassment” in the subways. More than 9 in 10 of the respondents who reported they had been harassed or witnessed harassment said they never told the M.T.A. or the police.

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/07/26/big-response-to-subway-harassment-question/

Next time it's your mother, sister, daughter or wife that gets harassed.

[The Lawspeaker]

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/07/26/big-response-to-subway-harassment-question/

Next time it's your mother, sister, daughter or wife that gets harassed.
That's New York. New York is a crime-ridden, unsafe hellhole anyway so New York can't be compared to cities in Europe like Prague, Vienna, Stockholm etc.

[Mary]

That's New York. New York is a crime-ridden, unsafe hellhole anyway so New York can't be compared to cities in Europe like Prague, Vienna, Stockholm etc.


FROTTÖR. Rekordmånga sexofredare polisanmäldes i Stockholms län förra året – totalt 1 343 snuskhumrar, där en stor del anmäldes för tafsande i t-banan och på SL-bussar.
– De kallas frottörer, som plötsligt gnuggar sig mot någon i trängseln, berättar sexualbrottsexperten Ulf Åsgård.

http://www.metro.se/nyheter/tafsarna-slar-till-under-rusningen/Objhed!22_1115-45/

Stockholm had 1343 reported cases in 2008.

[Incal]

Must be a European thing. I would've punched him in the face.

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[The Lawspeaker]

http://www.metro.se/nyheter/tafsarna-slar-till-under-rusningen/Objhed!22_1115-45/ (http://www.metro.se/nyheter/tafsarna-slar-till-under-rusningen/Objhed%2122_1115-45/)

Stockholm had 1343 reported cases in 2008.
I wonder how much your average town has with buses etc. I guess it's very few and it only happens in areas with.. guess what: a lot of immigrants. Particularly if these immigrants just happen to be Muslim and/or African. But that's of course not something you want to hear.

I have noticed nothing of that kind here in my home town.

[Mary]

I wonder how much your average town has with buses etc. I guess it's very few and it only happens in areas with.. guess what: a lot of immigrants. Particularly if these immigrants just happen to be Muslim and/or African.

I have noticed nothing of that kind here in my home town.

Stockholm is a very small city, so it's a lot for the size. And it's not immigrants, most immigrants stay in their suburbs because they can't afford public transport. It's older Swedish men.


Hittills har polisen kartlagt upp emot 50 män som tafsar i tunnelbanan.

– Det är vanliga familjefäder, säger Lars Holmqvist, polisinspektör.
Ibland räcker det med en sträng tillsägelse att de har ögonen på sig. Männen har ofta familjer hemma, barn eller barnbarn, och vågar inte riskera sin tillvaro.

Det är en tuff uppgift för polisen att få de antastade kvinnorna, och i vissa fall även männen, att polisanmäla.

Många har inte ens märkt någonting.

http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article10275204.ab

* 30-50 men are systematic harassers in the subway.
* Most are regular family fathers.

Here's a recent case:

http://www.metro.se/_internal/gxml!0/iyadmahxkofrztg2zhhxjldqca0hjgy$2ndqx8tyt48ydv3z4f jbxnb71ebt2mx/tbana2.jpeg

http://www.metro.se/stockholm/har-hamnas-hon-pa-tafsaren/EVHkgh!nYD6O2HxGgZs2/

The woman is an immigrant, the man is a Swede.

[The Lawspeaker]

Stockholm is a very small city, so it's a lot for the size. And it's not immigrants, most immigrants stay in their suburbs because they can't afford public transport. It's older Swedish men.

That's of course Swedish media propaganda because they would never concede that there is an immigrant problem. And Stockholm is not small: it has over a million inhabitants.



http://www.metro.se/_internal/gxml%210/iyadmahxkofrztg2zhhxjldqca0hjgy$2ndqx8tyt48ydv3z4f jbxnb71ebt2mx/tbana2.jpeg



The woman is an immigrant, the man is a Swede.
Well.. we can't see that can we ? The Swedish press is as bad as ours when it comes to anti-local racism and propaganda and will make up whatever story to blacken (no pun intended) the locals.

[Styggnacke]

http://www.metro.se/nyheter/tafsarna-slar-till-under-rusningen/Objhed!22_1115-45/

Stockholm had 1343 reported cases in 2008.
As mentioned in the article, not even a majority of the reported case were harassment in public transport.

[Mary]

As mentioned in the article, not even a majority of the reported case were harassment in public transport.


där en stor del anmäldes för tafsande i t-banan och på SL-bussar.

It says that "a large part" are subways and buses.

[Styggnacke]

Stockholm is a very small city, so it's a lot for the size. And it's not immigrants, most immigrants stay in their suburbs because they can't afford public transport.
Yeah... none of the immigrants can afford the 10-20 kr tickets... and they're also too lazy to planka. :rolleyes:

* 30-50 men are systematic harassers in the subway.
* Most are regular family fathers.
Many Somali men fit in that description.

[Mary]

That's of course Swedish media propaganda because they would never concede that there is an immigrant problem. And Stockholm is not small: it has over a million inhabitants.


Well.. we can't see that can we ? The Swedish press is as bad as ours when it comes to anti-local racism and propaganda and will make up whatever story to blacken (no pun intended) the locals.

1) This is not an immigrant problem. It's something Swedes do.

2) She was interviewed in the press. She spoke with a clear foreign accent.

[The Lawspeaker]

1) This is not an immigrant problem. It's something Swedes do.
Says the Swedish press.


2) She was interviewed in the press. She spoke with a clear foreign accent.
Fake interviews are nothing new.

[Styggnacke]

It says that "a large part" are subways and buses.

Flest sexofredare anmäls på arbetsplatser.
"Most sex offenders are reported at working sites."

[Mary]

Yeah... none of the immigrants can afford the 10-20 kr tickets... and they're also too lazy to planka. :rolleyes:

Many Somali men fit in that description.

They're 40 SEK, one zone one way. It's harder to go without paying now-a-days.

They are described as men that "have a lot to lose". That indicates that they are Middle Class Swedes.

[The Lawspeaker]

"Most sex offenders are reported at working sites."

Flest sexofredare anmäls på arbetsplatser. Arbeidsplaats. Nothing new here since most sexual intimidation takes work on the work floor as well and in schools.

[Mary]

"Most sex offenders are reported at working sites."


en stor del anmäldes för tafsande i t-banan och på SL-bussar.

"A large part were reported for harassment in the subway and on buses"

[Mary]

Says the Swedish press.


Fake interviews are nothing new.

1) The cops described them as men with a lot to lose. That's a codeword for Middle Class Swedes. Immigrants don't have anything to lose.

2) They called her on the phone and had her on tape.

[The Lawspeaker]

"A large part were reported for harassment in the subway and on buses"
And those were probably immigrant youths. It's exactly the same all over Europe. There is no such thing as a Swedish exception apart from the fact that we at least no longer deny it and come up with cherry-picked stories or fake examples.


1) The cops described them as men with a lot to lose. That's a codeword for Middle Class Swedes. Immigrants don't have anything to lose.
Of course and cops don't participate in propaganda. Yes.. Mary we all believe it. :rolleyes: Did you know that Sweden is known as the rape capital of Europe AND THOSE CRIMES ARE NOT DONE BY SWEDES.


2) They called her on the phone and had her on tape.
Ah.. one of those fake interviews. 100 in a dozen.

[The Ripper]

Half of the cases were probably reported by a shocked Mary, who couldn't take her eyes off the crotches of Swedish men.

[Styggnacke]

"A large part were reported for harassment in the subway and on buses"
"A large part" could mean anything from 10-45% of the reported cases. It's a deceiving way to describe it.

[The Lawspeaker]

And most of those "Swedish-born" criminals are probably just born there too but aren't Swedish. Even The Local admitted it in 2005 (http://www.thelocal.se/article.php?ID=2683&date=20051214) that there was an immigrant crime problem in Sweden.


The study underlined that the majority of crimes in Sweden were committed by ethnic Swedes.And even there they try to deflect it. It almost sounds like sheer desperation to me.


"Slightly under 60 percent of the almost 1,520,000 offences ... registered during the period covered by the study can be attributed to persons who were born in Sweden to two Swedish-born parents," it said.What is "Swedish-born" to them ?

[Anarch]

The man is splitting his legs.

http://www.politicsforum.org/images/flame_warriors/fragile.jpg

Harden up. Seriously.

[Mary]

And those were probably immigrant youths. It's exactly the same all over Europe. There is no such thing as a Swedish exception apart from the fact that we at least no longer deny it and come up with cherry-picked stories or fake examples.


Of course and cops don't participate in propaganda. Yes.. Mary we all believe it. :rolleyes: Did you know that Sweden is known as the rape capital of Europe AND THOSE CRIMES ARE NOT DONE BY SWEDES.


Ah.. one of those fake interviews. 100 in a dozen.

1) Again, most immigrants can't afford the public transport system.

2) The cops spoke in the context of that a warning could sometimes be enough to make them stop. Again that indicates that they're Swedes.

Sweden has more reported rapes because Swedish law was changed to label less serious sex crimes as "rapes".

3) No one has claimed that the interview was fake. Not even the most anti-immigrant nutcases.

[The Lawspeaker]

1) Again, most immigrants can't afford the public transport system.
In Sweden ? Yes right.


2) The cops spoke in the context of that a warning could sometimes be enough to make them stop. Again that indicates that they're Swedes.
It indicates nothing but propaganda.


Sweden has more reported rapes because Swedish law was changed to label less serious sex crimes as "rapes".
And how many cases are actually proven as actual rape ?


3) No one has claimed that the interview was fake. Not even the most anti-immigrant nutcases.
That's because the Swedish press would never interview them.

[Mary]

Half of the cases were probably reported by a shocked Mary, who couldn't take her eyes off the crotches of Swedish men.

I'm sorry to disappoint your exhibitionist fantasies, but I wear a net over my eyes, so I can't see much even if I wanted to. And I practically never go on public transport, so I had no idea this phenomenon was so wide spread.

[Mary]

"A large part" could mean anything from 10-45% of the reported cases. It's a deceiving way to describe it.

In either case, you're still looking at several hundred reported cases. And then you have to account for all the cases that are not reported. Why don't you ask some women you know (in Stockholm) about this?

[Mary]

Harden up. Seriously.

That applies to you as well next time some women in your family gets harassed.

[Mary]

In Sweden ? Yes right.


It indicates nothing but propaganda.

And how many cases are actually proven as actual rape ?


That's because the Swedish press would never interview them.

1) Yes, in Sweden.

2) The immigrant issue was not discussed in this case. It is when it comes to other sex crimes, such as rape. That's another thing that labels this as a Swedish-issue.

3) The nutcases? Well, why would they?

[Vasa]

Please already, grow some balls and you will understand why we sit like this.

[Mary]

Please already, grow some balls and you will understand why we sit like this.

You want to "show off" to other guys?

[Hurrem sultana]

mary really loves these fights on the forums :D

[Sarmatian]

Not that I'm keeping track of all this feminist affairs. But one thing surprises me is that I have never seen feminists accusing some colored immigrant guy of being too masculine. Looks like they addressing all their fuss strictly towards white men.

[Mary]

Not that I'm keeping track of all this feminist affairs. But one thing surprises me is that I have never seen feminists accusing some colored immigrant guy of being too masculine. Looks like they addressing all their fuss strictly towards white men.

Look, it's not masculine, it's gay.

[Sarmatian]

You want to "show off" to other guys?

:rotfl:

No Mary, its just physically impossible for a man to keep his legs together without feeling discomfort or even pain.

[Hurrem sultana]

this is just disgusting :


http://farm1.staticflickr.com/27/37208338_a7e6908994.jpg

[Mary]

:rotfl:

No Mary, its just physically impossible for a man to keep his legs together without feeling discomfort or even pain.

You know the boys are checking you out, right?


Are you a crotch watcher?
I've got a bad habit of checking out every guy's crotch I see.
Do you?


you are not alone! it seems that the first thing I look at is a guy's crotch. Always looking at the bulge then the face... I love it!


You bet, it's a bonus if you see the outline of the head on his dick.


I live for the day a guy catches me looking at his crotch, then says would you like to blow me ??????


For as long as I can remember. My first crush in high school had the most amazing bulge in his tight Wranglers!!!


guilty....love doing it while I have my sun glasses on....roving eyes and no one knows. Love the whole package...ass, crotch. I was in coffee shop the other day with friends and there was this guy that had the most amazing, beautiful ass....it was stunning. And when he turned around and I caught his crotch...of man, I wish I was those jeans so I could be that close to him. He was so stunning I was having a hard time following my friends converstations. He was not facially all that handsome - but mascuiline and good looking if not model good looks. I cna't remember when I was so disttracted by a good looking guy. I'm into bodybuilders - and a really hot bber....just stops me. But, this guy was lean and tight. Sigh. I love men! LOL


Straight guys are programed to notice if a guy looks FIRST at their crotch. This is taken as a sure indicator you're gay. Could be used as a subtle flag invitation... if you chew and suck on your bottom lip while undressing them with your eyes.

woof. woof.


I invade the privacy of sexy guys with my eyes and 'molest' them with my imagination all the time...


I do it all the time: on the train, on the bus, at work.
my favourite is my uncle, who must be bull-balled!!
sometimes, when the underground is overcrowded, I even touch men's crotches, pretending it was an accident. My best memory is when I fondled a 60-year-old black man freeballing under his black suit! what a heavy package he had!


I am a lucky guy.All my "customers" are college age.Plenty of crotch watching.

I have a birds eye view,just ask Arnell.


I definitely crotch watch. What's funny is when I catch "straight" guys doing the samething. I pointed a friend of mine out once of course he denied it.


In defense of crotch watchers everywhere:

These past few weeks have been extremely cold and nasty in NY: rain, snow, sleet, high winds, subfreezing temps.

Yet I see many, many, many men wearing zippered warm up jackets that always, always, always leave their crotch and butt exposed to the elements, and to our admiring gaze

All of these men can not be homosexuals

A lot of straight men like to show their stuff--even in the depths of winter


First post here ...
But I definitively had to answer this because I'm a total crotch watcher. I even dit before I realized that I was gay, so I enjoy it since that...
See ya


Hell to the yes! Love it, the best thing is straight guys are kind of predictable,so when I see a guy kind of squat a little I know that he is about to adjust his package and I will say just loud enough for me to hear...."touch it".... and then comes the adjustment. It is so fucking hot. I work with a guy that is married and he wears khakis that do not show anything, but he is constantly adjusting his stuff. It seems like any time the two of us are together he is cupping that shit. It so hot. I'd do him in a second.


I'm a staight guy. And I have seen guys check me out like at the mall and stuff. Cuz I'm always like what is that guy looking at???, not thinking he's actually checking ME out.
Which is pretty hot by the way.
But yeah we do notice & could use a nice hand/blow job in the car Lol.


I love being checked out! When I notice it, or some one tells me I was just eye fucked /undressed I am completely turned on. It makes me want to ... *cough* do things.

[rhiannon]

Please already, grow some balls and you will understand why we sit like this.

That's what hubs says.

Men who sit with their legs more open look....normal to me. A man has to be comfy, right?

Sitting with one's legs ramrod straight out in front of them all prim and proper just isn't very comfy if you're gonna be sitting down for a while.

I cannot understand what's to be offended about, LOL!

[Anarch]

That applies to you as well next time some women in your family gets harassed.

LOL. A man sitting on a train or bus with his legs apart does not constitute harassment, princess. If you're not trolling, I'm actually ashamed of the fact that somewhere within the last ten thousand years our bloodlines have probably crossed.

[Anarch]

this is just disgusting :


http://farm1.staticflickr.com/27/37208338_a7e6908994.jpg

More concerning still is the fact someone actually went to the effort to take that photo.

[Mary]

LOL. A man sitting on a train or bus with his legs apart does not constitute harassment, princess. If you're not trolling, I'm actually ashamed of the fact that somewhere within the last ten thousand years our bloodlines have probably crossed.

It's borderline harassment. He should either sit normally or, preferably, get up and leave.

[Anarch]

It's borderline harassment. He should either sit normally or get up and leave.

You're Russian? I'm sincerely hoping your ancestors were made of sterner stuff. You're an oversocialised, oversensitive hyperfeminist creature who patently hasn't had to deal with anything genuinely abhorrent in your life. Do you call emergency services when you get a papercut?

[The Lawspeaker]

You're Russian? I'm sincerely hoping your ancestors were made of sterner stuff. You're an oversocialised, oversensitive hyperfeminist creature who patently hasn't had to deal with anything genuinely abhorrent in your life. Do you call emergency services when you get a papercut?
Easy does it, Anarch. I know that she is pissing you off (and no doubt many others) but let's not let her get to you. :)

[Sarmatian]

You know the boys are checking you out, right?

Well I can't stop them from looking at me, right. But I'm absolutely comfortable with my sexuality. If some boys with defects in personality development want to play their mental masturbation games its not my concern. So long as they keep it mental.

Otherwise... well I'm also very comfortable with so called 'dark side' of my personality and the boys will be very unhappy to get to know it :dev3

[Mary]

You're Russian? I'm sincerely hoping your ancestors were made of sterner stuff. You're an oversocialised, oversensitive hyperfeminist creature who patently hasn't had to deal with anything genuinely abhorrent in your life. Do you call emergency services when you get a papercut?

This is not Feminism, it's common courtesy. Again, how would you want the women in your family to get treated?

[Mary]

Well I can't stop them from looking at me, right. But I'm absolutely comfortable with my sexuality. If some boys with defects in personality development want to play their mental masturbation games its not my concern. So long as they keep it mental.

Otherwise... well I'm also very comfortable with so called 'dark side' of my personality and the boys will be very unhappy to get to know it :dev3

So you know that men check you out, but you don't intend to change your ways, isn't that a little dubious?

[rhiannon]

This is not Feminism, it's common courtesy. Again, how would you want the women in your family to get treated?

Quite honestly Mary, if seeing a man sitting like this:
http://www.visualphotos.com/photo/1x1800604/tired_man_sitting_on_subway_fl6306.jpg
makes you uncomfortable, or causes consternation on your part because he has not gotten up and LEFT...

Perhaps you ought refrain from going out in public spaces where such things can offend your sensibilities?

You are the person with the issue.....not these men.

Admittedly, this guy is kinda gross, but still within the realm of normal:
http://farm1.staticflickr.com/27/37208338_a7e6908994.jpg

[Sarmatian]

So you know that men check you out, but you don't intend to change your ways, isn't that a little dubious?

Why should I care? Hundreds of people looking at me everyday and paying attention to all of them is waste of my time and energy. Their importance in my life is a little bit less than zero until they get too close.

[Anarch]

This is not Feminism, it's common courtesy. Again, how would you want the women in your family to get treated?

There's nothing common about being forced to sit like a eunuch because a woman like you is getting her panties in a twist over the ergonomic configuration of a clothed man's genitalia.

[Mary]

Quite honestly Mary, if seeing a man sitting like this:
http://www.visualphotos.com/photo/1x1800604/tired_man_sitting_on_subway_fl6306.jpg
makes you uncomfortable, or causes consternation on your part because he has not gotten up and LEFT...

Perhaps you ought refrain from going out in public spaces where such things can offend your sensibilities?

You are the person with the issue.....not these men.

Admittedly, this guy is kinda gross, but still within the realm of normal:
http://farm1.staticflickr.com/27/37208338_a7e6908994.jpg

If this was normal, then the seats would be constructed for it. These guys are deviants and they should bear the cost of their behavior, not women.

[Pallantides]

I can't figure out for the life of me just what that person is doing wrong by sitting like that?!?

Me neither, I guess we are both peasents rhiannon:)

[Mary]

Why should I care? Hundreds of people looking at me everyday and paying attention to all of them is waste of my time and energy. Their importance in my life is a little bit less than zero until they get too close.

If your looks or actions make you attractive to the gay community, wouldn't you want to be "less attractive" to homosexuals?

[Mary]

Me neither, I guess we are both peasents rhiannon:)

Nice yurt, Genghis. :D

[Mary]

There's nothing common about being forced to sit like a eunuch because a woman like you is getting her panties in a twist over the ergonomic configuration of a clothed man's genitalia.

You don't have to sit your legs at 180 degrees. Do you walk with your legs wide open too? I can't understand why anyone would do this.

[Anarch]

If this was normal, then the seats would be constructed for it. These guys are deviants and they should bear the cost of their behavior, not women.

You should buy a car. So should every Swedish feminist that seriously thinks this:

http://farm1.staticflickr.com/27/37208338_a7e6908994.jpg

is as terrifying as being raped. Actually, I take that back. You should lock yourself in a basement, preferably without internet access, so you'll never have to see that picture again.

.... I think I might put it in my signature just to freak you out.

[rhiannon]

If this was normal, then the seats would be constructed for it. These guys are deviants and they should bear the cost of their behavior, not women.

You are the first woman I've ever heard complain about this. Most women don't care and realize it is not our place to tell a man how to sit when we do not have the same anatomy and therefore cannot understand what it's like to have genitals that hang away from your body...

Kinda like men not understanding what it's like to have boobs, a period, or to squeeze a bowling ball through an opening the size of a quarter!!

[Mary]

You should buy a car. So should every Swedish feminist that seriously thinks this:

http://farm1.staticflickr.com/27/37208338_a7e6908994.jpg

is as terrifying as being raped. Actually, I take that back. You should lock yourself in a basement, preferably without internet access, so you'll never have to see that picture again.

.... I think I might put it in my signature just to freak you out.

No, I as a woman should not have to do anything. They as men should not be doing that. And I think guys like that should get beat up.

[The Lawspeaker]

No, I as a woman should not have to do anything. They as men should not be doing that. And I think guys like that should get beat up.
I thought you were in favour of having women wear the burqa, that Semitic cloak of death.

[Styggnacke]

Successful troll is successful. :)

[Mary]

You are the first woman I've ever heard complain about this. Most women don't care and realize it is not our place to tell a man how to sit when we do not have the same anatomy and therefore cannot understand what it's like to have genitals that hang away from your body...

Kinda like men not understanding what it's like to have boobs, a period, or to squeeze a bowling ball through an opening the size of a quarter!!

Maybe you have low standards for how people treat you? Do you think this behavior was acceptable 50 years ago? Then why should we accept it now?

This is a matter of common courtesy. And if some men can't behave themselves, then some form of punishment is required.

[Mary]

I thought you were in favour of having women wear the burqa, that Semitic cloak of death.

Yes, the burqa has nothing to do with men splitting their legs on public transport.

[Sarmatian]

If your looks or actions make you attractive to the gay community, wouldn't you want to be "less attractive" to homosexuals?

On Kinsey scale I'm 0. Which means I don't care about homosexual community at all. I don't care what they think, I don't care what they want, I don't care what they like. And I don't think any single one of them worth me changing my natural behavior.

[Mary]

Successful troll is successful. :)

I'm serious. Didn't you guys get taught any manners?

[Mary]

On Kinsey scale I'm 0. Which means I don't care about homosexual community at all. I don't care what they think, I don't care what they want, I don't care what they like. And I don't think any single one of them worth me changing my natural behavior.

Your natural behavior is considered attractive to gays. You're supposed to attract women, not men.

[The Lawspeaker]

Yes, they burqa has nothing to do with men splitting their legs on public transport.
It has everything to do with it. Both are attacks on personal freedoms without any justification and both are symbols of feminism gone mad: 1) feminism supporting Islam because not doing so would be racist. 2) Continuing the attack on local men while saying nothing at all about the behaviour of immigrants and instead attacking locals again - in a desperate attempt to divert attention.

I believe that you have been very kind to many anti-immigrant members and right-wingers here by constantly proving their point.

[Mary]

It has everything to do with it. Both are attacks on personal freedoms without any justification and both are symbols of feminism gone mad: 1) feminism supporting Islam because not doing so would be racist. 2) Continuing the attack on local men while saying nothing at all about the behaviour of immigrants and instead attacking locals again - in a desperate attempt to divert attention.

I believe that you have been very kind to many anti-immigrant members and right-wingers here by constantly proving their point.

1) Where have Feminists claimed to support Islam? Feminists support women's right to choose their own lives.

2) This is a problem with local men. You cannot get a free pass because someone else acts worse.

[The Lawspeaker]

1) Where have Feminists claimed to support Islam? Feminists support women's right to choose their own lives.
A nice article (http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/000682.html) for you (http://1389blog.com/2012/01/24/is-feminism-deaf-to-the-women-in-islam-updated/).
No they don't. Feminism is simply pushing women away from their own lifes into a costume. The sexual revolution did also not liberate women at all but simply made them more sexually available.


2) This is a problem with local men. You cannot get a free pass because someone else acts worse.
No you attack them because it is cheap and because you, like feminists in general, could face severe retribution if they would attack immigrant men instead so that's why they go for the locals.

[rhiannon]

@Mary:
Please post pics of men sitting in a position you find acceptable, then?

I still don't get it.

[Sarmatian]

Your natural behavior is considered attractive to gays. You're supposed to attract women, not men.

If you didn't get it I can repeat: I don't care what is attractive to gays. I suppose they are called gays because they are attracted to natural male behavior.

[rhiannon]

This is a matter of common courtesy. And if some men can't behave themselves, then some form of punishment is required.

Punishment for what, exactly?

[Mary]

A nice article (http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/000682.html) for you.
No they don't. Feminism is simply pushing women away from their own lifes into a costume. The sexual revolution did also not liberate women at all but simply made them more sexually available.

This isn't about immigrants or the sexual revolution. It's about Swedish men behaving badly towards mainly Swedish women.


No you attack them because it is cheap and because you, like feminists in general, could face severe retribution if they would attack immigrant men instead so that's why they go for the locals.

Immigrants have nothing to do with this issue. So I'm not discussing them in this thread. If you want us to discuss immigrants then you should start a thread about that topic.

[Mary]

@Mary:
Please post pics of men sitting in a position you find acceptable, then?

I still don't get it.

http://i.istockimg.com/file_thumbview_approve/14048936/2/stock-photo-14048936-content-young-man-sitting-meditating-in-comfy-chair-on-white.jpg

[The Lawspeaker]

This isn't about immigrants or the sexual revolution. It's about Swedish men behaving badly towards mainly Swedish women.
Because you're simply too scared to admit that it is an immigrant problem so you launch cheap (let's just call it for what it is: cowardly) attacks on Swedish men. That is the only issue here. But you simply won't say it. I'll make it easy for you: what do you think of immigrant men sitting in such a way ? Would you speak up as well ?


http://i.istockimg.com/file_thumbview_approve/14048936/2/stock-photo-14048936-content-young-man-sitting-meditating-in-comfy-chair-on-white.jpg

Just as I thought: sitting just as indiscreetly but he is black or at least non-European so it's perfectly allowed. No further questions. :rolleyes:

[Mary]

If you didn't get it I can repeat: I don't care what is attractive to gays. I suppose they are called gays because they are attracted to natural male behavior.

If it's so natural, how come it attracts gay men and not women?

[Mary]

Punishment for what, exactly?

For rude behavior.

[Styggnacke]

http://i.istockimg.com/file_thumbview_approve/14048936/2/stock-photo-14048936-content-young-man-sitting-meditating-in-comfy-chair-on-white.jpg
You're seeing his crotch in that position. Aren't you supposed to hide it according to you?

[Mary]

Because you're simply too scared to admit that it is an immigrant problem so you launch cheap (let's just call it for what it is: cowardly) attacks on Swedish men. That is the only issue here. But you simply won't say it. I'll make it easy for you: what do you think of immigrant men sitting in such a way ? Would you speak up as well ?

This is not about immigrants. Look at the pictures on the blog. Most of those men seem to be Swedes. Yes, I would find it equally bad if an immigrant did that.

[Anarch]

No, I as a woman should not have to do anything. They as men should not be doing that. And I think guys like that should get beat up.

I think you should be beaten up.

[Mary]

Just as I thought: sitting just as indiscreetly but he is black or at least non-European so it's perfectly allowed. No further questions. :rolleyes:

I actually picked him because he has long legs.

[The Lawspeaker]

I think you should be beaten up.
Anarch ! Behave yourself. She may be a little coward but you're a Swede and thus a better human being.


I actually picked him because he has long legs.
No because you are to cheap to admit that you would never say the same thing to an immigrant man because you know what would happen. Thanks again for proving my point.


This is not about immigrants. Look at the pictures on the blog. Most of those men seem to be Swedes. Yes, I would find it equally bad if an immigrant did that.
But you would never dare to say and so you would hide behind that cloak of death that you call a burqa and instead attack the Swede because he would try to reason with you instead of giving you a slap on the face - like immigrants (misogynists as they are) would do.

[Mary]

You're seeing his crotch in that position. Aren't you supposed to hide it according to you?

He's not exposing his crotch.

[Styggnacke]

I think you should be beaten up.
Her husband already does that. She has said that several times at another forum.

[The Lawspeaker]

He's not exposing his crotch.
He is.


Her husband already does that. She's has said that several times at another forum.
Then she probably didn't marry a Swede. Wife-beaters. I still think that draw and quartering them on market square would be nice I have a real problem with such cowards.

[Falkata]

Well if Sweden is so bad she can always come back to the Romanian Heaven. I´m sure men are more respectful over there :icon_lol:

[Mary]

He is.

Normal:

http://i.istockimg.com/file_thumbview_approve/14048936/2/stock-photo-14048936-content-young-man-sitting-meditating-in-comfy-chair-on-white.jpg

Exhibitionist:

http://farm1.staticflickr.com/27/37208338_a7e6908994.jpg

[Sarmatian]

If it's so natural, how come it attracts gay men and not women?

Is every element of male behavior must attract females? Lord have mercy... If it would've been true I would've died from exhaustion 10 years ago while trying to satisfy all attracted girls. :naughty:

[The Lawspeaker]

Normal:

http://i.istockimg.com/file_thumbview_approve/14048936/2/stock-photo-14048936-content-young-man-sitting-meditating-in-comfy-chair-on-white.jpg

Exhibitionist:

http://farm1.staticflickr.com/27/37208338_a7e6908994.jpg
Both are too showy but the only reason why you say something about it is because nr 1. isn't white.

[Mary]

Well if Sweden is so bad she can always come back to the Romanian Heaven. I´m sure men are more respectful over there :icon_lol:

They are. But that's not the topic.

[Styggnacke]

Then she probably didn't marry a Swede.
Nah, her husband is most likely a Romanian Gypsy according to his 23andMe results.

[Mary]

Is every element of male behavior must attract females? Lord have mercy... If it would've been true I would've died from exhaustion 10 years ago while trying to satisfy all attracted girls. :naughty:

Well, now you're getting the attracted men instead.

[Albion]

To counter this "normalized expression of power" (that’s what they call slouching), a group of firebrand feminists have set up a blog called "Macho i Kollektivtrafiken" ("Macho in Public Transport"), encouraging readers to send in sneaky snaps of men in relaxed poses. The aim is to spread awareness of a "symbolic and active recreation not just of power, but of a stereotypical form of masculinity."

Do Swedish women really feel threatened by men who slouch on the subway? Can this seriously be construed as a feminist issue? Do feminists today really view women as weaklings who are traumatized by straddle-legged passengers and who don't have the guts to tell men to scooch over? It's tempting to suggest that the women posting pictures of slouching men online should grow a pair, and point out that feminists have fought hard to shake the image of women as thin-skinned victims off and to prove that women have agency, gumption, and

Pathetic. They won't be happy until men are enslaved - "do as we say, you sit like this - or else!"
It's a dumb bit of logic when feminists accuse men of oppressing them and then go and do the very same thing and more to men.

If anything it is sexist. Are they saying that all men sit like this and take up a lot of room? What if a women does it, does that make it ok? Instead of ignorantly targeting men they should target anyone (man or woman!) who takes up two seats without good reason.

Really, Sweden is going to end up being a society with no freedom whatsoever if things like this carry on. I wish the feminists would do this and then get sued for being sexist - their own petty laws would be working against them then. Of course we all know who'd win though... :(

[The Lawspeaker]

They are. But that's not the topic.
Then why not go back if they are so much better then the Swedes ? You are not Swedish either so why are you there ? It's not a personal attack but you do need to tell me that. I think I know the answer: folkhemmet. socialbidrag. massor av pengar. :coffee:

If you and your husband would return to Romania you wouldn't get the welfare payments but at least the men are more respectable. :rolleyes:

[Mary]

Both are too showy but the only reason why you say something about it is because nr 1. isn't white.

Try to imagine him as White.

[The Lawspeaker]

Try to imagine him as White.
No. Because you picked him for that reason: because he isn't. Listen, Mary, we've known you for quite some time and we know your tactics. Please become less obvious and less blatant so things will be, at least a bit, more interesting for us ? Thank you.

[Mary]

Then why not go back if they are so much better then the Swedes ? You are not Swedish either so why are you there ? It's not a personal attack but you do need to tell me that. I think I know the answer: folkhemmet. socialbidrag. massor av pengar. :coffee:

If you and your husband would return to Romania you wouldn't get the welfare payments but at least the men are more respectable. :rolleyes:

This is not a thread about me.

[Anarch]

Anarch ! Behave yourself. She may be a little coward but you're a Swede and thus a better human being.

Um, I'm Irish-Australian.... :thumbs up

But seriously, she's being ridiculous. Someone wrap her up in cotton wool and a vacuum bag so she doesn't get a cold, then bury her so she doesn't get skin cancer or something. That way I can sit on a train with my legs spread at a forty-five degree angle, glad that my testicles won't get cramped and my sperm count won't take a nose dive from overheating, and then fall asleep on that train knowing there's no risk of being harassed by a man-hating reptile from the Eurasian steppes.

[Pallantides]

Pathetic. They won't be happy until men are enslaved

'Women are meant to serve man and never to rule over him', thus spoke Pallantides as he cast down the Swedish empire ruled by feminists.

[The Lawspeaker]

This is not a thread about me.
I was asking you a very simple question. You don't need to answer but by dodging it you show yourself for being not nearly as morally brave as we thought you were. ("ahem") You don't like the Swedes (you have been constantly attacking them here in this thread) and neither you or your husband are Swedish.

Why are you in Sweden ?

[Mary]

No. Because you picked him for that reason: because he isn't. Listen, Mary, we've known you for quite some time and we know your tactics. Please become less obvious and less blatant so things will be, at least a bit, more interesting for us ? Thank you.

Normal:

http://content.answcdn.com/main/content/img/shutterstock/m/a/man_sitting_at_home_on_sofa_looking_miserable.jpg

Weirdo:

http://www.visualphotos.com/photo/1x1800604/tired_man_sitting_on_subway_fl6306.jpg

[The Lawspeaker]

http://content.answcdn.com/main/content/img/shutterstock/m/a/man_sitting_at_home_on_sofa_looking_miserable.jpg
You can still look straight into his crotch.

[Anarch]

http://content.answcdn.com/main/content/img/shutterstock/m/a/man_sitting_at_home_on_sofa_looking_miserable.jpg

See that expression on his face? That's called 'I'm crossing my legs like this because Mary cut my nuts off and now I'm too scared to say no when she makes me wash the dishes'.

[Mary]

I was asking you a very simple question. You don't need to answer but by dodging it you show yourself for being not nearly as morally brave as we thought you were. ("ahem") You don't like the Swedes (you have been constantly attacking them here in this thread) and neither you or your husband are Swedish.

Why are you in Sweden ?

This thread is about Sweden and Swedes. If it was about Norwegians, then I would be talking about them instead.

I'm in Sweden because I get more money here than I would get in a different country.

[Mary]

You can still look straight into his crotch.

Don't be ridiculous. Look at the comparison.

[Pallantides]

I'm in Sweden because I get more money here than I would get in a different country.

You could probably make more money here in Nor... nvm just stay were you are.:D

[The Lawspeaker]

I'm in Sweden because I get more money here than I would get in a different country.
That shows the level of your principles then. No further questions. :thumb001:


Don't be ridiculous. Look at the comparison.
If the issue is that you can look into his crotch: don't worry because you can see his crotch on both pictures and thus your point is null and void again.

This would be more "appropriate" then:

http://www.steazemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/men-who-crossed-legs.jpg

But that's not very comfortable.

[Hurrem sultana]

mary så är din man en zigenare? :D

[Mary]

You could probably make more money here in Nor... nvm just stay were you are.:D

Really? Tell me more. :)

[Anarch]

Don't be ridiculous. Look at the comparison.

Who are you to accuse anyone of being 'ridiculous'?

[Sarmatian]

Well, now you're getting the attracted men instead.

You are speculating.

[Albion]

Normal:

http://content.answcdn.com/main/content/img/shutterstock/m/a/man_sitting_at_home_on_sofa_looking_miserable.jpg

Weirdo:

http://www.visualphotos.com/photo/1x1800604/tired_man_sitting_on_subway_fl6306.jpg

No, just tired. If women don't want to look at men's crotches then they should stop looking in that direction. When women sit right in front of us with their cleavage basically hanging out we have to tolerate it, even if we have to look away.
Women often wear clothes which don't leave much to the imagination and show half their body, but if a fully clothed and covered man steps onto a bus he has to sit tightly to avoid offending any women who may happen to be staring down at his shape!
Why have men suddenly got to hide their crotches because some women are scared of getting accused of staring?

What sort of messed up, car-crash of logic is this???

[Mary]

mary så är din man en zigenare? :D

No, my man is a regular Rumanian.

[Mary]

You are speculating.

I posted lots of examples of how gay men check out the crotches of straight guys. And how they say that this arouses them sexually. You will not find this with straight women.

[Styggnacke]

No, my man is a regular Rumanian.
No, he isn't. He's a Gypsy.

[Mary]

No, just tired. If women don't want to look at men's crotches then they should stop looking in that direction. When women sit right in front of us with their cleavage basically hanging out we have to tolerate it, even if we have to look away.
Women often wear clothes which don't leave much to the imagination and show half their body, but if a fully clothed and covered man steps onto a bus he has to sit tightly to avoid offending any women who may happen to be staring down at his shape!
Why have men suddenly got to hide their crotches because some women are scared of getting accused of staring?

What sort of messed up, car-crash of logic is this???

Look, just because there are women who have cleavages (and I don't agree with that) doesn't mean that we should have men doing splitters. Don't you hold yourself to a higher standard as a man?

[Mary]

No, he isn't. He's a Gypsy.

He's not a Gypsy, you're just jealous. Don't worry, I'm sure there's a girl out there for you too.

[The Lawspeaker]

I posted lots of examples of how gay men check out the crotches of straight guys. And how they say that this arouses them sexually. You will not find this with straight women.
We don't have to protect us as straight men from a bunch of poofs.

[Anarch]

What sort of messed up, car-crash of logic is this???

Mary is a nymphomaniac and has had sex with so many men she's beginning to freak out about sexually transmitted diseases. She now devotes her time to obsessing over the crotches of men, taking particular care to neuter her environment of anything remotely appetising, because she is incapable of restraining herself. To be clear: if, when on a train in her presence, you part your knees greater than a fifteen degree angle, she will rape you.

[Mary]

We don't have to protect us as straight men from a bunch of poofs.

Do you feel comfortable with men looking at you this way:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=806914&postcount=97

[Albion]

This would be more "appropriate" then:

http://www.steazemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/men-who-crossed-legs.jpg

But that's not very comfortable.

Yes, especially if you're well endowed, it's like getting strangled down there. :D Women don't understand, they can never understand.

[The Lawspeaker]

Mary is a nymphomaniac and has had sex with so many men she's beginning to freak out about sexually transmitted diseases. She now devotes her time to obsessing over the crotches of men, taking particular care to neuter her environment of anything remotely appetising, because she is incapable of restraining herself.
That's speculation but let's not turn the thread into an even bigger wreck. She has shown herself to be a hypocrite and let's leave it at that.

[The Lawspeaker]

Do you feel comfortable with men looking at you this way:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=806914&postcount=97
It has never happened to me. So I am not worried in the slightest.

[Mary]

If the issue is that you can look into his crotch: don't worry because you can see his crotch on both pictures and thus your point is null and void again.

This would be more "appropriate" then:

http://www.steazemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/men-who-crossed-legs.jpg

But that's not very comfortable.

It's not about that you can "see" his crotch. It's about that some men consciously "expose" their crotches on public transport.

[Anarch]

You're a buzzkill, Civis, but you did ask nicely, and I will oblige. :)

[Mary]

It has never happened to me. So I am not worried in the slightest.

Ask yourself: if these guys saw you, would they think you were cute?

[Albion]

Look, just because there are women who have cleavages (and I don't agree with that) doesn't mean that we should have men doing splitters. Don't you hold yourself to a higher standard as a man?

OK, let's start again...

If a woman's jugs are at eye level do I have to look away or should she wear a thick jumper? Maybe she should hide them by putting her arms across them as evil man should hide his crotch?

What about women on the bus? Do they have to sit cross-legged for fear that men will stare at their area?

[The Lawspeaker]

It's not about that you can "see" his crotch. It's about that some men consciously "expose" their crotches on public transport.
Whether it is conscious or not - the outcome is the same. I am not into double standards, Mary. So either something is wrong or it isn't.

[Mary]

OK, let's start again...

If a woman's jugs are at eye level do I have to look away or should she wear a thick jumper? Maybe she should hide them by putting her arms across them as evil man should hide his crotch?

What about women on the bus? Do they have to sit cross-legged for fear that men will stare at their area?

I don't think women should expose themselves. But if they do, I think you should look away or leave.

[Albion]

It's not about that you can "see" his crotch. It's about that some men consciously "expose" their crotches on public transport.

Oh come on! They hardly pull it out and start waving it about do they? :D On the other hand, I have seen plenty of flirtatious women clearly cleaving everything on show for all to see.

[Mary]

Whether it is conscious or not - the outcome is the same. I am not into double standards, Mary. So either something is wrong or it isn't.

If you expose you genitals, it's definitively conscious. Because your private parts are something you're conscious about.

So there's really no excuse for this deviant behavior.

[Hess]

Probably same here in this country. We are not nearly as liberal and effeminate as FOX-viewers seem to think we are

Average European Man in the Minds of Americans :p

http://images.nymag.com/fashion/fashionshows/2010/spring/main/europe/womenrunway/houseofholland/images/24.jpg

[Mary]

Oh come on! They hardly pull it out and start waving it about do they? :D On the other hand, I have seen plenty of flirtatious women clearly cleaving everything on show for all to see.

Women obviously find it bothersome. Don't you think men should cut it out then?

[Sarmatian]

I posted lots of examples of how gay men check out the crotches of straight guys. And how they say that this arouses them sexually. You will not find this with straight women.

You don't understand the difference between male and female perception of attention from others.

If a man expressing some interest while looking at a woman there is always some risk of sexual violence. Which makes the woman feel uncomfortable to be a subject of such interest if she is not attracted to this man.

If a man expressing some interest while looking at me I don't feel threatened, I don't feel like I'm harassed or something. Because I'll not hesitate to castrate him with my bare hands if he will do one wrong move.

[Albion]

I don't think women should expose themselves. But if they do, I think you should look away or leave.

Yes, and maybe women should just look away when some men sit like that? Don't you see how hypocritical your arguments are? One rule for men, a completely different one for women.

We have to do as we're told, if a woman does it we have to look away and not complain... :rolleyes:

Really, you'll only be happy when men and women go around dressed like this... :mad:

http://teaandpolitics.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/burqa.jpg

http://cdn.chillnite.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/arab_man.gif

With the man's one you can see his face though, good heavens! You may feel threatened by his nose or his eyes! Better cover them up too!!! On second thoughts, why don't we just banish all men completely? :coffee:

There's a lot of women who need to grow up and get a fucking grip. :rolleyes:

[Styggnacke]

Average European Man in the Minds of Americans

http://images.nymag.com/fashion/fashionshows/2010/spring/main/europe/womenrunway/houseofholland/images/24.jpg
Average American Man in the Minds of Europeans
http://blog.healia.com/files/u6/Fat_guy.jpg

We could do this stereotyping all day long if you want to.

[Mary]

You don't understand the difference between male and female perception of attention from others.

If a man expressing some interest while looking at a woman there is always some risk of sexual violence. Which makes the woman feel uncomfortable to be a subject of such interest if she is not attracted to this man.

If a man expressing some interest while looking at me I don't feel threatened, I don't feel like I'm harassed or something. Because I'll not hesitate to castrate him with my bare hands if he will do one wrong move.

What does it say about you, if your behavior attracts men instead of women?

[Sarmatian]

What does it say about you, if your behavior attracts men instead of women?

That's where you speculating. You know nothing about who am I attracting.

[Albion]

Women obviously find it bothersome. Don't you think men should cut it out then?

No, women just need to stop being bothered by it. Sitting like that doesn't make a man a rapist or anything.

[The Lawspeaker]

If you expose you genitals, it's definitively conscious. Because your private parts are something you're conscious about.

So there's really no excuse for this deviant behavior.
No there isn't.. also not when done without thinking. But you on the hand have shown double standards time and time again. The odd thing is that the only ones have a rather showy way of sitting in this country are mostly young immigrant males: legs wide open, taking whole seats for themselves and looking at every woman walking by. Cat calls and all (sometimes).

http://www.allaboutphones.nl/photos/12334328500131/artikelsebastiaandenbak1.jpg

http://static0.ad.nl/static/photo/2012/3/9/3/20120322155304/media_xll_1155108.jpg

Sitting in public here.

[Mary]

Yes, and maybe women should just look away when some men sit like that? Don't you see how hypocritical your arguments are? One rule for men, a completely different one for women.

We have to do as we're told, if a woman does it we have to look away and not complain... :rolleyes:

Really, you'll only be happy when men and women go around dressed like this... :mad:

http://teaandpolitics.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/burqa.jpg

http://cdn.chillnite.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/arab_man.gif

With the man's one you can see his face though, good heavens! You may feel threatened by his nose or his eyes! Better cover them up too!!! On second thoughts, why don't we just banish all men completely? :coffee:

There's a lot of women who need to grow up and get a fucking grip.

This is how I usually dress:

22489

Only that I usually have the net over the eyes. So I'm not really in the risk demographic here.

But some women might not know better, or have low standards for how they should be treated.

[Mary]

That's where you speculating. You know nothing about who am I attracting.

I can tell you for sure that no woman is attracted to you exposing your crotch on the train.

[The Lawspeaker]

This is how I usually dress:

22489

Only that I usually have the net over the eyes. So I'm not really in the risk demographic here.

But some women might not know better, or have low standards for how they should be treated.
Which makes you the immodest oddball out there because burqa's are worn to shove the ideas of the wearer (or rather the ideas of the husband) into the face of the disapproving general public. Burqa's are completely foreign to Sweden or Europe in general and you and people like you thus wear it to deliberately troll people and that is immodest.

Modesty is if you don't try to draw attention to yourself.

[Mary]

Which makes you the immodest oddball out there because burqa's are worn to shove your ideas (or your husband's wishes) into the face of the general public. Burqa's are completely foreign to Sweden or Europe in general and thus wear it to deliberately troll people and that is immodest.

Modesty is if you don't try to draw attention to yourself.

I don't veil for modesty. That's for Muslims. I veil for submission to my man. There's a thread on veiling already.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44720

There's a difference between looking foreign and being sexually creepy.

[Albion]

This is how I usually dress:

22489

Only that I usually have the net over the eyes. So I'm not really in the risk demographic here.

But some women might not know better, or have low standards for how they should be treated.

You are weird, for Christmas I'll buy you a chastity belt to stop the evil Swedish men raping you, then we'll sign you up for a lifetime at a nunnery whilst we're at it.

Better get a gun too, just in case any dogs start humping on the lawn and offend you.

Mary, I believe you are mentally ill or retarded, one or the other.

[Sarmatian]

If you expose you genitals, it's definitively conscious. Because your private parts are something you're conscious about.

So there's really no excuse for this deviant behavior.

Again that is where man and women are different. Female genitals were a subject of obsession that lead to sexual violation for... err... as long as history goes. So its absolutely natural for women to avoid to expose their genitals.

For men demonstration of genitals is same as saying 'Look, I'm exposing the most vulnerable part of my body and I'm not afraid to do it because I'm stronger.' Its basic behavior of all male primates. They do it without even thinking.

[The Lawspeaker]

I don't veil for modesty. That's for Muslims. I veil for submission to my man. There's a thread on veiling already.
It's immodesty of the worst kind. It's deliberately showing off and trolling the general public.

[Sarmatian]

I can tell you for sure that no woman is attracted to you exposing your crotch on the train.

I don't remember anyone claiming that men do it to attract women. They do it because its just comfortable.

[Albion]

I don't veil for modesty. That's for Muslims. I veil for submission to my man. There's a thread on veiling already.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44720

There's a difference between looking foreign and being sexually creepy.

What? What Sultan did you marry?

You're not creepy, you're just unfortunate. So you don't want men to threaten you with their crotches but yet you'll submit to one? :rolleyes: You must only see one crotch then? Seeing another man's trousers is a sin is it?


Modesty is if you don't try to draw attention to yourself.

Exactly. And how best to blend in than wearing a burqa in Romania, perhaps the most Christian country in Europe... :rolleyes2:

[Mary]

Again that is where man and women are different. Female genitals were a subject of obsession that lead to sexual violation for... err... as long as history goes. So its absolutely natural for women to avoid to expose their genitals.

For men demonstration of genitals is same as saying 'Look, I'm exposing the most vulnerable part of my body and I'm not afraid to do it because I'm stronger.' Its basic behavior of all male primates. They do it without even thinking.

No, I'm sorry, but that's just weird.

[The Lawspeaker]

No, I'm sorry, but that's just weird.
No. That's mother nature.

[Mary]

It's immodesty of the worst kind. It's deliberately showing off and trolling the general public.

I'm just submitting to my man. It's nobody else's business.

[Mary]

I don't remember anyone claiming that men do it to attract women. They do it because its just comfortable.

Even if it is comfortable, they should show courtesy to the women around them.

[The Lawspeaker]

I'm just submitting to my man. It's nobody else's business.
Then please do that submitting in Saudi Arabia because here in Europe it isn't normal at all. So if your husband would sit on the underground with his legs wide open would you tell him ?

[Mary]

No. That's mother nature.

So now "Mother Nature" is making you expose your crotch in public?

[Sarmatian]

No, I'm sorry, but that's just weird.

That is where basic knowledge of nature may help to avoid many social conflicts.

[Albion]

No, I'm sorry, but that's just weird.

No, you're just weird. If you don't like it, just look away like everyone else. Most men think duckface is just weird but plenty of women still do that.

http://everydayfunnyfunny.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/funny-hilarious-pictures-4.jpg
Quack Quack

[The Lawspeaker]

So now "Mother Nature" is making you expose your crotch in public?
Do you even know the anatomy of the man's private parts ? You're married so you should know all about it.

[Mary]

Then please do that submitting in Saudi Arabia because here in Europe it isn't normal at all. So if your husband would sit on the underground with his legs wide open would you tell him ?

I don't care about what is considered normal. I care about what is right.

My man would never do that. But if he did of course I would tell him.

[Albion]

So now "Mother Nature" is making you expose your crotch in public?

No, that's called instinct and all animals (humans included) do things without thinking, often by instinct.

[Mary]

That is where basic knowledge of nature may help to avoid many social conflicts.

This is not "nature" this it weirdo.

[Loddfafner]

I don't veil for modesty. That's for Muslims. I veil for submission to my man.


I'm just submitting to my man. It's nobody else's business.

So what you are doing then is flaunting your BDSM fetish in public. How is that any different from a gay man walking his lover around town with a dog leash?

[The Lawspeaker]

I don't care about what is considered normal. I care about what is right.
But what you do isn't right. It's trolling.


My man would never do that. But if he did of course I would tell him.
Submit to your husband and never address him in a disrespectful way by correcting him. He is a man so he is worth more then you are. Be a good woman so he doesn't need to slap you around as is so common in Muslim circles. You know.. the things you try to emulate.

[Mary]

No, you're just weird. If you don't like it, just look away like everyone else. Most men think duckface is just weird but plenty of women still do that.

Here's how it works:

Men are supposed to show women courtesy, no matter what the women do.

[Mary]

No, that's called instinct and all animals (humans included) do things without thinking, often by instinct.

If "instinct" is making you expose your genitals, you should seek help.

[Albion]

I don't care about what is considered normal. I care about what is right.

My man would never do that. But if he did of course I would tell him.

Mary, whilst I think it's great that you're living by traditional gender roles, I do think you're taking it a bit too far and are quite confused.

[The Lawspeaker]

Here's how it works:

Men are supposed to show women courtesy, no matter what the women do.
Then the circles you try to emulate aren't courteous at all. Women are being molested, stoned, murdered in other ways, sold off like cattle, beaten up, tortured.

[Mary]

So what you are doing then is flaunting your BDSM fetish in public. How is that any different from a gay man walking his lover around town with a dog leash?

This my religion, it has nothing to do with fetish. Do you find turbans to be a fetish too?

[Albion]

If "instinct" is making you expose your genitals, you should seek help.

If a man was getting it out then yes, he needs help. If a man is just sitting there minding his own business with some weirdo in a Burqa getting worried (AKA you) then I think he's just normal.


Here's how it works:

Men are supposed to show women courtesy, no matter what the women do.

Courtesy, yes. Not cut off blood-flow to their manhood and sit there whilst it dies a slow death. :D

Mary, I do show women a lot of courtesy but I think it's going a bit far when you try to destroy harmless, basic male behaviour simply because it doesn't fit your scheme of things.

[Mary]

But what you do isn't right. It's trolling.


Submit to your husband and never address him in a disrespectful way by correcting him. He is a man so he is worth more then you are. Be a good woman so he doesn't need to slap you around as is so common in Muslim circles. You know.. the things you try to emulate.

1) Normal people don't feel trolled by women covering.

2) I still get to tell him my opinion. If he wants to follow it is up to him.

[Albion]

So what you are doing then is flaunting your BDSM fetish in public. How is that any different from a gay man walking his lover around town with a dog leash?

Exactly.


This my religion, it has nothing to do with fetish. Do you find turbans to be a fetish too?

Are you Muslim?

[Mary]

Then the circles you try to emulate aren't courteous at all. Women are being molested, stoned, murdered in other ways, sold off like cattle, beaten up, tortured.

Um, this is about public transport in Sweden... I don't see where you get all this other stuff from.

[The Lawspeaker]

1) Normal people don't feel trolled by women covering.
In European cultures and even stronger in the West it is considered normal if people show an open face and don't walk about all covered up. It's gives people the creeps (to be perfectly honest with you) and the fact that it is a burqa even more so. "God knows what could be hiding under it ! Could be a guy with a bomb strapped to his chest !".


2) I still get to tell him my opinion. If he wants to follow it is up to him.
Be a good obedient wife and know when to shut up. Your husband is worth more then you are. That is the "traditional" (for you. Or Muslim, for me) way.


Um, this is about public transport in Sweden... I don't see where you get all this other stuff from.
Just reading the day to day news and seeing how immigrants treat their women here. The safe houses and refuges are full of wifes and daughters of immigrants that fled in order to save their lifes.

[Mary]

If a man was getting it out then yes, he needs help. If a man is just sitting there minding his own business with some weirdo in a Burqa getting worried (AKA you) then I think he's just normal.



Courtesy, yes. Not cut off blood-flow to their manhood and sit there whilst it dies a slow death. :D

Mary, I do show women a lot of courtesy but I think it's going a bit far when you try to destroy harmless, basic male behaviour simply because it doesn't fit your scheme of things.

If this was normal behavior, do you think women would get upset over it? The fact that they do, and that they start a campaign over it, should tell you that something is up.

[Mary]

In European cultures and even stronger in the West it is considered normal if people show an open face and don't walk about all covered up. It's gives people the creeps (to be perfectly honest with you) and the fact that it is a burqa even more so. "God knows what could be hiding under it ! Could be a guy with a bomb strapped to his chest !".

There's nothing strange about a woman covering herself. And most people understand that.

[Albion]

If this was normal behavior, do you think women would get upset over it? The fact that they do, and that they start a campaign over it, should tell you that something is up.

Women get upset because they like something to moan about and wrongly associate it with men making sexual gestures.
I don't think all women would get upset about it, invite a few to this thread and ask them.

There's just a lot of over-sensitive cry-babies such as yourself who like playing the victim.

[Sarmatian]

This is not "nature" this it weirdo.

So just like that you trashing works of all those scientists who devoted their lives to research of behavior of primates?

In natural world primates always demonstrate their crotch as a sign of superiority. Its instincts and its natural.

[Albion]

There's nothing strange about a woman covering herself. And most people understand that.

No they don't. You cover up if you're ashamed or have low self-confidence and this is what it's really about with you.

[Loddfafner]

If this was normal behavior, do you think women would get upset over it? The fact that they do, and that they start a campaign over it, should tell you that something is up.

The fact that some Swedish prigs have gotten riled up over something is not an indicator that anything is up at all ... except that Swedish feminists are easily riled up.

Now if those exposed crotches reveal that something is up beneath their clothing, then maybe those guys would do well to try a more modest stance.

[Mary]

Women get upset because they like something to moan about and wrongly associate it with men making sexual gestures.
I don't think all women would get upset about it, invite a few to this thread and ask them.

There's just a lot of over-sensitive cry-babies such as yourself who like playing the victim.

Why would they moan about things for no reason?

[Mary]

So just like that you trashing works of all those scientists who devoted their lives to research of behavior of primates?

In natural world primates always demonstrate their crotch as a sign of superiority. Its instincts and its natural.

So you are now demonstrating your crotch as a sign of superiority over other men, is this correct?

[Loddfafner]

Why would they moan about things for no reason?

Maybe they are fantasizing about those crotches?

[Mary]

The fact that some Swedish prigs have gotten riled up over something is not an indicator that anything is up at all ... except that Swedish feminists are easily riled up.

Now if those exposed crotches reveal that something is up beneath their clothing, then maybe those guys would do well to try a more modest stance.

Are you saying that it's irrational for these women to be upset of that men expose their crotches to them? Would you like to sit next to a guy like that?

I think it comes down to that some men haven't been taught proper manners.

[Mary]

Maybe they are fantasizing about those crotches?

Wouldn't they be collecting cock-pics. from the Internet then?

[Smaland]

http://www.visualphotos.com/photo/1x1800604/tired_man_sitting_on_subway_fl6306.jpg

"The Stripper", by David Rose (recorded in 1962):
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[The Lawspeaker]

There's nothing strange about a woman covering herself. And most people understand that.
Wrong again.

This is covered up for us (during winter):

http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/ihmb/ihmb0806/ihmb080600978/3191806-vrouw-in-de-winter-kleding-opwarmen-haar-handen.jpg


During summer (while just wearing jeans):

http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/pekour/pekour1105/pekour110500002/9516662-portret-van-een-vrouw-in-zomerjurk-met-glas-rode-wijn-gea-soleerd-op-wit.jpg


So guess what: in both cases you can see the face. Here too:

http://www.celice.nl/hostess/images/phocagallery/Kleding/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_IMG_0728%20copy.jpg

Covered up and decent without a burqa.

[Styggnacke]

Wouldn't they be collecting cock-pics. from the Internet then?
No, they just need to take photos of random men in public transportation.

[Sarmatian]

So you are now demonstrating your crotch as a sign of superiority over other men, is this correct?

No. Just to make things clear:

1) Normally men would sit with legs open because they are comfortable to sit like that.

2) They do not feel any need of covering because there is no threat for them from exposing their genitals unlike in case of women.

3) Sometimes some men would overexpose their crotch as demonstration of superiority.

Any more questions?

[Mary]

Wrong again.

This is covered up for us (during winter):

http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/ihmb/ihmb0806/ihmb080600978/3191806-vrouw-in-de-winter-kleding-opwarmen-haar-handen.jpg

Covered up and decent without a burqa.

The step is not very big:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2407/2214348141_4296a54bca.jpg

[Loddfafner]

Are you saying that it's irrational for these women to be upset of that men expose their crotches to them? Would you like to sit next to a guy like that?


Yes I am saying that it is irrational. And as for sitting next to a guy like that, it is a moot point because the seat next to me tends to be vacant.... because I am the guy like that.


Wouldn't they be collecting cock-pics. from the Internet then?

They are probably doing that as well ... as preparation for their next anti-porn campaign, of course.

[Mary]

No. Just to make things clear:

1) Normally men would sit with legs open because they are comfortable to sit like that.

2) They do not feel any need of covering because there is no threat for them from exposing their genitals unlike in case of women.

3) Sometimes some men would overexpose their crotch as demonstration of superiority.

Any more questions?

If it makes women uncomfortable, don't you think they should stop it?

[The Lawspeaker]

If it makes women uncomfortable, don't you think they should stop it?
You mean that you are the only one that feels uncomfortable because maybe you could get aroused.... very dangerous. :coffee::cool:


The step is not very big:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2407/2214348141_4296a54bca.jpg

Wrong. The step is very big because it is completely against our culture. Even in the more modest days of the past:

http://www.qm.qld.gov.au/Find+out+about/Histories+of+Queensland/%7E/media/0700535A85CB416E8BF97FC2F56CD5D7.ashx?w=400&h=508&as=1

http://www.thegracefullady.com/civilwargowns/images/cdvs/daydresses/apron.jpg

http://www.stzk.nl/stzk/images/agenda/inklednaarzwits08/IMG_3358%20%28Small%29.jpg