Classify Ibrahim Afellay and parents

[Hurrem sultana]

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/207233_10150163693654510_753614509_6599703_5806924 _n.jpg

[Mordid]

They can pass as muslim Bosnian.

[Hurrem sultana]

They can pass as muslim Bosnian.

Ibrahim and his dad can

[brunette]

Berber?

[dralos]

both arabid
bosnian you fancy him,don't you

[Hurrem sultana]

arabid? really?!?

[dralos]

arabid? really?!?
yes i was surprised he could pass in bosnia,land of the swedes:D
where is my money,we're dying here:mad:

[Hurrem sultana]

obviously you have no idea how arabids look like :D especially since this guy is not even arab

[dralos]

obviously you have no idea how arabids look like :D especially since this guy is not even arab
he's moroccan

[Alvarado]

Berberid.

[Mordid]

Berberid.
He look quite Spanish, don't you think?

[GeistFaust]

Yes, Berberid sounds about right.

[GeistFaust]

He look quite Spanish, don't you think?


Enough with your trolling, and hatred of the Spanish people. :)

[Sikeliot]

He look quite Spanish, don't you think?

Not particularly.

[Mordid]

Enough with your trolling, and hatred of the Spanish people. :)
Don't mordid me.

[GeistFaust]

Don't mordid me.

I think Mordid just needs loving constantly. ;)

[Hurrem sultana]

Enough with your trolling, and hatred of the Spanish people. :)

why is it hating? the Spaniards them self feel inferior for some reason

i admit here he could pass in Bosnia

[Alvarado]

why is it hating? the Spaniards them self feel inferior for some reason


Inferior to who?

[Hurrem sultana]

Inferior to who?

whiter europeans

[Alvarado]

whiter europeans

I hope you are not including your crappy country in the list. Otherwise I'll wet my pants laughing.

[Walter Overdick]

whiter europeans

Like Bosnians?

[GeistFaust]

why is it hating? the Spaniards them self feel inferior for some reason

i admit here he could pass in Bosnia


I have never seen the Spanish feeling inferior to other peoples, and I have known some Spanish people straight from Spain.

They were arrogant about being Spanish and self-confident that they were better the rest, including the Portuguese, Negroes, and North Africans.

I would have to say the Spanish are the ubermensch of the Mediterranean world along with Northern Italians.

[Sikeliot]

I would have to say the Spanish are the ubermensch of the Mediterranean world along with Northern Italians.

They are.

[Kanuni]

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/207233_10150163693654510_753614509_6599703_5806924 _n.jpg

He reminds me of this Albanian

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KViCuBK9c_0/T2-Xz9IIVDI/AAAAAAAAAes/3PScpxXcgSQ/s1600/shaqiri1.JPG

Must be the E1b1b connection.:coffee:

[Altay]

^ It seems there is another ethnic Albanian player in the same team who look alike those two:

http://xhaka.net/images/granit/4535203,300.jpg

What's up with this?

[Hurrem sultana]

Like Bosnians?

Like Swedes,Germans,French,Dutch

[Walter Overdick]

Like Swedes,Germans,French,Dutch

French are hardly "whiter" than Spaniards. If I selected 10 French persons x 10 Spaniards you would not be able to discern them easily.

[Hurrem sultana]

I have never seen the Spanish feeling inferior to other peoples, and I have known some Spanish people straight from Spain.

They were arrogant about being Spanish and self-confident that they were better the rest, including the Portuguese, Negroes, and North Africans.

I would have to say the Spanish are the ubermensch of the Mediterranean world along with Northern Italians.

I have no idea but i notice it a lot on forums like these

[Hurrem sultana]

^ It seems there is another ethnic Albanian player in the same team who look alike those two:

http://xhaka.net/images/granit/4535203,300.jpg

What's up with this?

they all look the same:eek:

[Hurrem sultana]

I hope you are not including your crappy country in the list. Otherwise I'll wet my pants laughing.

At least we don't feel inferior-too dark,too short

sure we are poor :D but we can change that..how will you change your genetics? :P


no please go back to the topic!

[Walter Overdick]

At least we don't feel inferior-too dark,too short

Spaniards don't have any reason to feel inferior. They left a huge legacy on Americans, whether good or bad it was a good conquest. Bosnians on the other hand got Islamized by Ottomans and were oppressed for many years. It is also the reason why most of you look like slightly taller Turks.



sure we are poor :D but we can change that..how will you change your genetics? :P


no please go back to the topic!

If I'm not mistaken, average Spaniards score more European components than Bosnians (and most other Balkanians).

[Hurrem sultana]

If I'm not mistaken, average Spaniards score more European components than Bosnians (and most other Balkanians).


yet we don't look like we are half north african ;)

[Saruman]

At least we don't feel inferior-too dark,too short

sure we are poor :D but we can change that..how will you change your genetics? :P


no please go back to the topic!

What genetics? lol
Spaniards are mostly authentic Iberians genetically and they have clearly less West-Asian genetical influences than balkans generally. They are somewhat darker than S.Slavs in pigmentation but in terms of unquestionably European genetical components they are slightly ahead of even the likes of Croats for ex.
They are very European by race, genetics, history and culture.

[Walter Overdick]

yet we don't look like we are half north african ;)

Ironic that you say that when you previously said that this Moroccan can pass as Bosnian. It would mean you look full North African and not half. That Moroccan would not pass in Spain.

[Hurrem sultana]

Ironic that you say that when you previously said that this Moroccan can pass as Bosnian. It would mean you look full North African and not half. That Moroccan would not pass in Spain.

this one yeah,i did not say all of them could


don't jump into conclusions my friend

[Walter Overdick]

this one yeah,i did not say all of them could

It means your phenotype approaches the North African one more than that of Iberians.

[Hurrem sultana]

It means your phenotype approaches the North African one more than that of Iberians.

:D:thumbs up

[Saruman]

yet we don't look like we are half north african ;)

They don't look part North African either, there are North Africans who are quite Europid and without noticeable negroid influences, and they can be European-like such as Zidane, but still even such people aren't particularly Iberian looking, plus obviously there are some expelled muslim Iberians among North Africans so that might give an illusion of similarity.

[Walter Overdick]

:D:thumbs up

I think it is you who feel inferior. Your beliefs say "Islam" so why take that as a negative light a lot of people in your country can pass for Muslim ethnicities?

[Mordid]

Ironic that you say that when you previously said that this Moroccan can pass as Bosnian. It would mean you look full North African and not half. That Moroccan would not pass in Spain.
Respect bro :rotfl:

[Saruman]

It means your phenotype approaches the North African one more than that of Iberians.

No it doesn't, Iberians do have more N-African influences than balkans does. This particular individual looks like a North African Cromagnid, with some slight alpinisation going on. Overall he is of European-like N-African variety. Generally in Spain a more archaic and more alpinised Berid variant is more common though there are some Palaeatlantids, but this guy doesn't look Palaeatlantid, and he does have similarities to some balkan Cromagnoids.

[Alvarado]

At least we don't feel inferior-too dark,too short

sure we are poor :D but we can change that..how will you change your genetics? :P


no please go back to the topic!

A Bosnian talking about "inferiority"...

I rest my case.

[Hurrem sultana]

A Bosnian talking about "inferiority"...

I rest my case.

you should not

[Sikeliot]

Moroccans are Berbers who speak Arabic, they're not Arabs.

[Dilberth]

...

[Alex Delarge]

I supposed he's one of the nordic berbers Coon was talking about.

[ariaka]

The father has a look that reminds me of the way some Irish people look.

[Kanuni]

What genetics? lol
Spaniards are mostly authentic Iberians genetically and they have clearly less West-Asian genetical influences than balkans generally. They are somewhat darker than S.Slavs in pigmentation but in terms of unquestionably European genetical components they are slightly ahead of even the likes of Croats for ex.
They are very European by race, genetics, history and culture.

The Med component is Middle Eastern as much as WestAsian one.

[Saruman]

The Med component is Middle Eastern as much as WestAsian one.

I don't think so, it's center is Sardinia.

[Kanuni]

I don't think so, it's center is Sardinia.

Doesn't matter,it seems to be close to SouthWestAsian component and brought by Neolithic Mediterraneans EV13/G2a.

[Saruman]

Doesn't matter,it seems to be close to SouthWestAsian component and brought by Neolithic Mediterraneans EV13/G2a.

The fact that Sardinians have it so high and that all types other than Mediterranid proper and Berid are basically foreign in Sardinia speaks enough. In South-West Asian center Arabids predominate.

[askra]

I don't think so, it's center is Sardinia.


in fact the Med component peaks undoubtedly in Sardinia, followed from italy, greece, catalonia and some other mediterranean islands.
it's the component "southern" in dodecad eurasia7 (or k=7, idk exactly the correct name) that peaks in south west asia, but in that plot was cancelled the med component, so the lack of "med" was filled by "southern", that is very common also among many mediterranean people,
according to it now sardinians are more atlantic-baltic (56%) and 42% southern.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArAJcY18g2GadExjVnpKbHFEeGVZOEZPOXBxWnA2W nc#gid=0

probably if in a next genetic plot will be cancelled the north european component, the north europeans will get magically mediterraneans or west asians, or something else,
if they will cancel the med, south west asian, west asian component, southern europeans will get surprisingly more north africans and more northern europeans...

[Padre Organtino]

To be honest a person from Balkans has a higher chance to be attacked by skinheads than a Spaniard.

[Aramis]

To be honest a person from Balkans has a higher chance to be attacked by skinheads than a Spaniard.

Depends which skinheads :D

http://www.slobodnadalmacija.hr/Portals/0/images/2008-04-16/Svijet/uvodnatxtThumbnail.jpg

http://www.skrewdriver.org/image005.jpg

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg99/scaled.php?server=99&filename=ahproslava1.jpg&res=landing

http://www.skrewdriver.org/serb2.jpg

[Hurrem sultana]

To be honest a person from Balkans has a higher chance to be attacked by skinheads than a Spaniard.

I have never heard a bosnian getting attacked

maybe an albanian,greek yeah..but slavs from ex Yu-hardly

[Saruman]

To be honest a person from Balkans has a higher chance to be attacked by skinheads than a Spaniard.


I have never heard a bosnian getting attacked

maybe an albanian,greek yeah..but slavs from ex Yu-hardly

Yes Iberians, Albanians, Greeks are genetically closer to Southern Europe than Northern Europe, whereas most South Slavs are genetically closer to Northern Europe, and how close you are to Northern Europe is how being European is measured. Or how Aryan you are because obviously Mediterraneans have little to do with real Aryans who are most responsible for the development of European civilization, or to put it differently for what is the "highest quality civilization" for sure, as of course Mediterraneans had their own cultures, but I'm speaking of the absolute peak here.;)

[Aramis]

Yes Iberians, Albanians, Greeks are genetically closer to Southern Europe than Northern Europe, whereas most South Slavs are genetically closer to Northern Europe, and how close you are to Northern Europe is how being European is measured. Or how Aryan you are because obviously Mediterraneans have little to do with real Aryans who are most responsible for the development of European civilization, or to put it differently for what is the "highest quality civilization" for sure, as of course Mediterraneans had their own cultures, but I'm speaking of the absolute peak here.;)

It turned out to be... a germanic implementation of the Roman civilisation.

[Supreme American]

Undoubtedly descended of kidnapped Europeans. I've met Moroccans as light as any white person I've ever met.

[Aviane]

French are hardly "whiter" than Spaniards. If I selected 10 French persons x 10 Spaniards you would not be able to discern them easily.

I beg to differ Spaniards are far more Mediterranean than most French people are except for the Southern French who are much much more Mediterranean and less Atlantid, North Atlantid, Dinarid and Alpinid than other French.


Doesn't matter,it seems to be close to SouthWestAsian component and brought by Neolithic Mediterraneans EV13/G2a.

That is exactly right Baton Southwest Asian component is more closer to the Mediterranean one.

For definite when someone's from South France to Greece(Not including most Balkan people).



Yes Iberians, Albanians, Greeks are genetically closer to Southern Europe than Northern Europe, whereas most South Slavs are genetically closer to Northern Europe, and how close you are to Northern Europe is how being European is measured. Or how Aryan you are because obviously Mediterraneans have little to do with real Aryans who are most responsible for the development of European civilization, or to put it differently for what is the "highest quality civilization" for sure, as of course Mediterraneans had their own cultures, but I'm speaking of the absolute peak here.;)

Yes Iberians and Greeks are very close to being the most Southern European but I can't really see how Albanians fit otherwise but I see them as more East European.

To be hones South Slavs and most Balkanians are indeed more Eastern, Central and even Northern European looking to me.

To rest of what you are talking about I have no quarrels to. :thumbs up

[Aviane]

That Moroccan could pass for South European(Iberia, Malta, Sicily, Greece and Cpyrus) to me.

[Aramis]

Indeed, not your stereotypical moroccan speciman.

http://www.picgifs.com/soccer-graphics/soccer-graphics/ibrahim-afellay/soccer-graphics-ibrahim-afellay-059835.jpg

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lga0zdJsFy1qfev2vo1_500.jpg


But he still has got a north african face to me. That's actually how I imagined Berbers to have looked like before the Arab conquest. You know, the good old times (http://shipofstate.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/roman_empire_map.png).

[Joseph Capelli]

He is not the average Moroccan for sure.

[dralos]

and still hitler bashed the slavs,while the slavs keep praising him LOL

[Aviane]

He may not be your typical Moroccan but I have seen some like him while on my travels.

[Alex Delarge]

Yes Iberians, Albanians, Greeks are genetically closer to Southern Europe than Northern Europe, whereas most South Slavs are genetically closer to Northern Europe, and how close you are to Northern Europe is how being European is measured. Or how Aryan you are because obviously Mediterraneans have little to do with real Aryans who are most responsible for the development of European civilization, or to put it differently for what is the "highest quality civilization" for sure, as of course Mediterraneans had their own cultures, but I'm speaking of the absolute peak here.;)

That seems to apply to Croatians only

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JaGiUw4mQmg/TffHa_JB8CI/AAAAAAAAB70/K6O0Oi20jhQ/s1600/nihms132060f1.jpg

[Padre Organtino]

I have never heard a bosnian getting attacked

maybe an albanian,greek yeah..but slavs from ex Yu-hardly

I was talking about Russia. For majority of Russian Hardcore Nazis/Skinheads this Georgian guy's obviously non-white:

http://www.spletnik.ru/img/2009/09/anya/20090929_para_post.JPG

[Hurrem sultana]

I was talking about Russia. For majority of Russian Hardcore Nazis/Skinheads this Georgian guy's obviously non-white:

http://www.spletnik.ru/img/2009/09/anya/20090929_para_post.JPG

i doubt they attack the slavs though :D you can find palestinians who look french,, doesn't make them european

[Aviane]

The Georigan guy could still pass for some certain Europeans.

[Hurrem sultana]

The Georigan guy could still pass for some certain Europeans.

yeah he can but how many georgians look like that? i doubt he would have problems in the russian streets he does not look georgian

[Mordid]

That georgian fatty dralos guy look rather Chechen to me

[Padre Organtino]

yeah he can but how many georgians look like that? i doubt he would have problems in the russian streets he does not look georgian

He looks quite Georgian just with fairer than average pigmentation. My point was that for Russian Nazis pigmentation is not that uber-important - they can attack folks that have "Caucasus" traits. And Balkan dinarids can sometimes have those traits.

[Mordid]

He looks quite Georgian just with fairer than average pigmentation. My point was that for Russian Nazis pigmentation is not that uber-important - they can attack folks that have "Caucasus" traits. And Balkan dinarids can sometimes have those traits.
I think I'd beaten up by Russian skinhead even though I don't have ''Caucasus'' traits. ;(

[Padre Organtino]

I think I'd beaten up by Russian skinhead even though I don't have ''Caucasus'' traits. ;(

No, you look racially OK Slav. Not churka certainly.

[Mordid]

No, you look racially OK Slav. Not churka certainly.
now you're talking non sense. *Dralos* I look nigger like a true balkan, of course I'd get beaten up by a bunch of russian ost europid migets skinhead *dralos mode off*

[Saruman]

That seems to apply to Croatians only



On 23andme all Croats, Bosnians, and almost all Serbs (few that don't are equal) have stronger N.Euro component than S.Euro.

[Joseph Capelli]

The fact that Sardinians have it so high and that all types other than Mediterranid proper and Berid are basically foreign in Sardinia speaks enough. In South-West Asian center Arabids predominate.

South West Asian and Med components are close, but not the same.