Which of these do you perceive as "immoral"?

[Sikeliot]

Check off all of the things you think of as immoral.

[Osprey]

Of course, thees are strictly my opinion.
Not like to impose them on anyone.

:)

[Vixen]

Honor Killings
Murder
Lying
Adultury
Cheating
Perjury
Stealing
Miscegenation (only for myself, I don´t care what others do)
Polygamy

Abortion and Physical Altercation, only in some cases.

[Loki]

In order of seriousness:

1. Honor killings
2. Murder
3. Adultery (cheating on spouse)
4. Perjury
5. Cheating
6. Physical altercation (minus self defense)
7. Lying
8. Stealing

[Sikeliot]

I picked;

Honor Killings
Murder
Lying
Adultery
Cheating
Perjury
Stealing
Physical Altercations
Polygamy

[Osprey]

I picked;

Honor Killings
Murder
Lying
Adultery
Cheating
Perjury
Stealing
Physical Altercations
Polygamy

What about racemixing?

[Sikeliot]

What about racemixing?

No.

[Sigur Rós]

Honor killings
Murder
Adultery (cheating on spouse)
Stealing

[Anarch]

While I dislike the term 'morality' (which I consider to incorporate both psychological and behavioural prohibitions derived from some transcendental realm, supposedly comprehensible to some degree to the human mind), I'll take the bait and throw in my two cents. I hold life to be the cornerstone of ethics - not the preservation of all life, because that would outlaw the species of homo sapiens as being the apex predator par excellence, but rather, that what is right for a being to do is to be determined by its form and 'function'. I consider humans to be organic, living creatures with the definitive capacity to rationally percieve, excogitate and act.

Accordingly... I find homosexuality to be aesthetically disgusting and fundamentally anti-life, being contrary to the requirement of any successful living being to reproduce.

Lying is the purposeful distortion of rationally comprehensible reality, the same reality which one must understand through the use of reason in order to survive. Therefore, lying is unethical, and must be discouraged.

Adultery, being the violation of reproductively-orientated pair bonding between two humans of the opposite sex, is tanamount to moral fraud, and disrupts the cohesion of a society - a society being a cluster of human interrelationships which result in vastly increased standards of living, resources and the securing of conditions necessary for human life.
I cannot condemn both honour killing (understood in the most narrow definition, being the destruction of parties to adultery) while opposing adultery, though I find honour killing distasteful and liable to be perverted by the passions of the injured party. Instead, I would advocate the abolition of no-fault divorce, a fair and open trial by one's peers, and outlawry/exile.

In this context, it is likewise logically necessary to condemn cheating on a boyfriend/girlfriend, such a phase of life essentially being a training exercise for the formation of long-term relationships which ought to result in offspring. However, justice must be proportionate to the offence, and so the sanction must be much lesser than that for adultery. Shame is a powerful behavioural corrective tool where self-respect is encouraged as a virtue - and it ought to be.

Justice, considered as the means by which the good life is upheld and advanced, is both applicable to the individual on his own and society on a broader scale. Perjury is therefore an offence against the community and a distortion of reality on a personal level, and must be condemned.

It is obvious that life may be handed out willy-nilly to anything that survives gestation, though the means of survival beyond that point are certainly not guarenteed. The greatest tool for man's survival is his mind - it is his means of apprehending reality as well as formulating the means to modifying that reality in accordance with his will. It is his application of labour to effect his plans which distinguishes plans from pipe-dreams, however, and man is entitled to the exclusive ownership of the product of his labour. Accordingly, theft violates a condition necessary for life, and must be sanctioned.

Man, asides from being a rational animal, is also a social animal. He is raised in a family, into a broader community, with customs, values and mores which provide a broad outline for his own identity, the origins of which stretch far back beyond living memory, forged by triumphs and defeats of both those who came before him and those who presently surround him. In addition to this, he is also he living being, a vehicle for the transmission of life in the most elemental, biological sense. In seeking to reproduce beyond the scope of his cultural and biological (racial) group, he does disseminate the life of which he is the vehicle, both culturally and biologically, though he also dilutes what of his own life may survive his own death. It therefore should be discouraged.

As for the other options listed... I can't stomach abortion, though I'll readily recognise that in cases such as incest and rape, some things are better of not being. Divorce, unfortunately, is necessary on occasion. Sometimes old people are wrong. I think some people need to be beaten up occasionally, because nothing instills good conduct like a broken nose - though predatory aggression contradicts the value of life. Polygamy must be condemned as a potential threat to the stability of society. Masturbation, while useless, is harmless. I'll not begrudge a man his choice of Gods or lack thereof, though that's a reflection of the values of my own society. Values and personal conduct are far more important.

In-group predatory aggression that takes the form of killing, needless to say, violates the conditions necessary for life. Aggression towards an out-group... that's more complicated, and should (and does) rightfully fall under the domain of politics. I have no objections to the theory of Just War.

[Breedingvariety]

-Adultery and cheating are immoral not because of the act, but because of the lie.
-Perjury is immoral if it was given with free will, not in a court where witnesses must swear. Any coercion to give oath releases oath giver from obligation to uphold it. That should be acknowledged by those in power, so as not to render oaths meaningless.

[Skandi]

Mine in order, where two are on the same line, well I consider them the same.

Honor killings
Murder (there can be modifiers that make this imo moral)
Adultery (cheating on spouse), Cheating.
Physical altercation (minus self defense)
Perjury, Lying,
Stealing

[finþaų]

Honour killing, murder, and miscegenation are the most serious ones in my book.

I cannot say I find homosexuality immoral as long as it is closeted homosexuality.

Stealing is a serious offense, but not as immoral as the big three. Adultery and cheating are both very immoral practises also.

Pre-marital sex and masturbation are good to avoid in order to develop a strong, disciplined character I think, but I don't really view them as highly immoral.

[Quorra]

Immoral:

Pre-marital sex
Abortion
Homosexuality
Divorce
Adultery (cheating on spouse)
Cheating on boyfriend/girlfriend
Stealing
Miscegenation (race-mixi

[Quorra]

Honour killing, murder and miscegenation are the most serious ones in my book.

Honour killing is fine.:)

[finþaų]

Honour killing is fine.:)

Well, one could view it as rational "self-sanitation" of incompatible elements, but I'd say that is also quite immoral if there are other solutions to the problem. :p

[Quorra]

Well, one could view it as rational "self-sanitation" of incompatible elements, but I'd say that is also quite immoral if there are other solutions to the problem. :p

actually I'm not sure what it is. Is it if a man has sex with another's wife then he kills him?

[Breedingvariety]

Lying is the most immoral act. The Devil is The Deceiver.

Notice lying is being propagated as good in films and TV entertainment.

[Anarch]

actually I'm not sure what it is. Is it if a man has sex with another's wife then he kills him?

No, that's just a crime of passion. It's when he kills her with the entire tribe chanting enthusiastically. Not even necessarily for adultery. Muslims do it over fashion.

[Quorra]

Lying is the most immoral act. The Devil is The Deceiver.

Notice lying is being propagated as good in films and TV entertainment.

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/45/burnsbestpost.jpg

Lying was never ok in my grandparents day. You would have been looked down on as a Jew if you did it.

[Contra Mundum]

I guess I'm the only one that respects the elderly.:(

[Loki]

Immoral:

Pre-marital sex
Abortion
Homosexuality
Divorce
Adultery (cheating on spouse)
Cheating on boyfriend/girlfriend
Stealing
Miscegenation (race-mixi

Murder is surely more serious than all of these.

[finþaų]

I guess I'm the only one that respects the elderly.:(

Not ever arguing with elders who are clearly wrong and respecting them in general are hardly comparable.

[Quorra]

Murder is surely more serious than all of these.

It's not more serious than lying. But I did vote murder on the poll. I don't know why I left it off that post.

[Contra Mundum]

Not ever arguing with elders who are clearly wrong and respecting them in general are hardly comparable.

I don't think it's wise to argue with old folks. We should listen to them more and be respectful.

[Quorra]

I don't think it's wise to argue with old folks. We should listen to them more and be respectful.

We bloody well should not! Our elders are nothing but shysters.

[Loki]

It's not more serious than lying.

Murder is not more serious than lying? :confused:

[Contra Mundum]

We bloody well should not! Our elders are nothing but shysters.

:eek:

[Quorra]

Murder is not more serious than lying? :confused:

Well you can't get away with murder if you don't lie. Lying is the cause of the problem and honesty makes people do the right thing.

[Skandi]

Murder is not more serious than lying? :confused:

Would probably depend on the lie and what the consequences of the lie were. If it was one that put peoples lives at risk or killed them.. then surely it is just as serious as murder?

Equally murder can have a reason that mitigates it (imo)

[Breedingvariety]

Murder is not more serious than lying? :confused:
Murder and killing are conditions of life. Death is inevitability of life.

But the best liars are the best murderers. Cold blooded animals are poisonous killing machines. Snakes will get you when you least expect it.

So I don't know.

[Breedingvariety]

Serpent deceptively caused humanities downfall from Divine Grace.

[Anarch]

Well you can't get away with murder if you don't lie. Lying is the cause of the problem and honesty makes people do the right thing.

Not if there's a complete lack of fear.

[Quorra]

Not if there's a complete lack of fear.

It's still lying:mad:

[Loki]

Murder and killing are conditions of life. Death is inevitability of life.

But the best liars are the best murderers. Cold blooded animals are poisonous killing machines. Snakes will get you when you least expect it.

So I don't know.

I do not comprehend you guys. Busy but want to make a few statements, ponder on that:

not all murderers are liars
not all liars are murderers
not all lies lead to murder
i don't condone lying and don't practice it myself (in case anyone wondered), but murder is more serious than lying!
all courts of law would agree with me on that, except perhaps those in saudi arabia.. not sure.

[Waidewut]

Abortion is the most immoral in absolute majority of cases, but I did not vote for it because there are some situations when it is clearly not immoral.

[Quorra]

I do not comprehend you guys. Busy but want to make a few statements, ponder on that:

not all murderers are liars
not all liars are murderers
not all lies lead to murder
i don't condone lying and don't practice it myself (in case anyone wondered), but murder is more serious than lying!
all courts of law would agree with me on that, except perhaps those in saudi arabia.. not sure.

I'm not convinced.

[Osprey]

Abortion is the most immoral in absolute majority of cases, but I did not vote for it because there are some situations when it is clearly not immoral.

Rape
Down's Syndrome
AIDS

[Breedingvariety]

I do not comprehend you guys. Busy but want to make a few statements, ponder on that:

not all murderers are liars
not all liars are murderers
not all lies lead to murder
i don't condone lying and don't practice it myself (in case anyone wondered), but murder is more serious than lying!
all courts of law would agree with me on that, except perhaps those in saudi arabia.. not sure.
Murder is the most serious crime. But lives can be wrecked in many ways.

Death is release from sufferings of life. Many consider capital punishment to be less of a punishment than life in prison.

Lying is the cause of many sufferings of life.

[Quorra]

Rape
Down's Syndrome
AIDS

cerebral palsy

[Loki]

I'm not convinced.

I'm not convinced that you are not a troll.

[Alberta1]

All of them accept for racemixing which is prefectly fine and Polygamy depending on the context. I doubt my parents are immoral because of that lol it's nonsense and it should not even be in the poll.

[Leliana]

My clear choices of immoral acts are:

Abortion
Homosexuality
Honor killings
Divorce
Murder
Lying
Adultery
Cheating on boyfriend/girlfriend
Perjury
Stealing
Physical alteration
Miscegenation
Polygamy

Acceptable or at least not immoral are:

Pre-marital sex, Arguing with an elder, Masturbation, Not following a religion, Not believing in a god of any kind/Atheism.

[Pallantides]

Honor killings
Murder
Lying
Stealing
Adultery and cheating
Prejury
Physical altercation (minus self defense)


damn I forgot to vote "Adultery (cheating on spouse)" and "Cheating on boyfriend/girlfriend"

[Alberta1]

If racemixing/Miscegenation is immoral then that makes many men as such, when it clearly is not. It's the person's choice in the long run. Certainly it's like any relationship it can be immoral and sinful, but if it was legit then not at all. People will fall in love with whom they want regardless and they should express it, it would be immoral not to let them do so.

[Pallantides]

People will fall in love with whom they want regardless and they should express it, it would be immoral not to let them do so.

One could say the same about homosexuality.

[Mraz]

Abortion
Honor killings
Murder
Adultery
Cheating on boyfriend/girlfriend
Stealing
Physical altercation

[Siberian Cold Breeze]

Honour killing is a part of feudal laws, not moral /religious laws and it takes it's bases from ownership ,humans are not respected as a person but a property to be kept under control.so defending a feudal law is immoral.

[Alberta1]

One could say the same about homosexuality.

True, but from my prespective miscegenation is no more immoral or moral than anything posted in the poll, it's just what it is a neutral force that can be either one. As for homosexuality it's complex and most often it's not netural at all and it goes into the relam of immorality, and universally seen to be wrong, well the first is just a byproduct of nature. This how I see it, it always happened and continues to happen, homosexuality is the same but I just don't agree with it and most often it has been said to be wrong and has been more banished than so called miscengation ever was, because it was not based on the unity of two different genders but one same gender and seen as unatural universally.