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Quorra
06-15-2012, 07:35 PM
poll.

I've spent quite a bit of time with leftists in my life. I find them very nice. However I'm undecided because from my youth I remeber a lot of destructive and seedy elements.

PetiteParisienne
06-15-2012, 07:35 PM
I think they're as likely to be nice as anyone.

Quorra
06-15-2012, 07:41 PM
I think they're as likely to be nice as anyone.

Well not necessarliy. They are to an extent, extremists, so they might be generally more nice than others or less.

PetiteParisienne
06-15-2012, 07:42 PM
Well not necessarliy. They are to an extent, extremists, so they might be generally more nice than others or less.

Ah, ok. I didn't see that you specified them as being extreme Leftists.

safinator
06-15-2012, 07:44 PM
Quite the opposite.

Ánleifr
06-15-2012, 07:44 PM
I think this pretty much sums them up:

http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i461/Tuck479/wolf.jpg

Quorra
06-15-2012, 07:46 PM
Ah, ok. I didn't see that you specified them as being extreme Leftists.

I suppose I consider that because they aren't mainstreamers. I don't call your average labour party voter a "leftist". lol that would be a dramatic description for them.

Dacul
06-15-2012, 07:48 PM
I am leftist but I am not nice.

SilverKnight
06-15-2012, 07:57 PM
Hard to say, everyone is different.

Quorra
06-15-2012, 08:00 PM
Hard to say, everyone is different.

Not necessarily. Extremist point of view can draw extreme personalities.

For instance, far right people are often very aggressive and more often male.

Ariets
06-15-2012, 09:35 PM
if you chellenge (both intelectual and physical) their ideology then definitly not.

Contra Mundum
06-15-2012, 09:46 PM
NO..They're some of the worst people on this planet.

SilverKnight
06-15-2012, 10:58 PM
Not necessarily. Extremist point of view can draw extreme personalities.

For instance, far right people are often very aggressive and more often male.

I usually go by statistics then mere speculations. But I must agree with you in the case that extremist people I seen tend to be very aggressive.

Edelmann
06-15-2012, 11:00 PM
Sure.

Just keep them off the subject of politics. (Well, race/immigration mostly.)

Hess
06-15-2012, 11:02 PM
I don't know about nice or mean, but here's some interesting (http://pewinternet.org/Reports/2012/Social-networking-and-politics/Main-findings/Social-networking-sites-and-politics.aspx#) research showing that leftists are more likely than Conservatives to "de-friend" someone online over their political views.

Arthur Scharrenhans
06-15-2012, 11:05 PM
Yes, we are!

Albion
06-16-2012, 12:28 AM
No. They're usually whiny little backstabbers who just happen to follow whatever ideology is fed to them by their idols.
They're essentially a herd animal, akin mostly to sheep.

Kazimiera
06-18-2012, 04:47 PM
As nasty or nice as anyone else. Individual people have differing traits which may or may not be liked by others. Everyone has good and everyone has bad.

But I think this is a case of "political blinkers".

One will always see people of the opposing ideology as having more negative traits than positive and people of the same ideology as more positive.

In the case of war, the opponent is always the enemy and therefore bad and must be killed, destroyed. It is hard to imagine that the enemy also has family and that most citizens of the "enemy" are just trying to make a living and get on with their life.

There are bad people everywhere and good people everywhere, regardless of what their political affinity is.

The Lawspeaker
06-18-2012, 04:51 PM
Nicer than many rightists that I have met. Less angry.

Graham
06-18-2012, 04:53 PM
You can't generalise a whole group of thought like this, as being nice or not. Some are nice, some not so.

Osprey
06-18-2012, 04:53 PM
Okay, until they have met some Arts College Professors and become hardline marxists....

Vasconcelos
06-18-2012, 04:55 PM
I voted no simply because I think most people aren't nice, and they aren't any different..

rhiannon
06-18-2012, 04:57 PM
I dunno. But I can add that this leftist is a nice person:)

Osprey
06-18-2012, 04:59 PM
I dunno. But I can add that this leftist is a nice person:)

I agree :)

aimar
06-18-2012, 05:02 PM
they are nice to blacks and gypsies

Breedingvariety
06-18-2012, 05:07 PM
If they are nice looking it doesn't matter if they are nice, for all Osprey cares.;)

Osprey
06-18-2012, 05:09 PM
If they are nice looking it doesn't matter if they are nice, for all Osprey cares.;)

If they are not dictatorial, that's all I care :rolleyes:

Siberian Cold Breeze
06-18-2012, 05:13 PM
...describe nice please ..

Contra Mundum
06-18-2012, 05:15 PM
they are nice to blacks and gypsies

White leftists are more hostile to whites and Western Civilization than non-whites are.

Midori
06-18-2012, 05:21 PM
most people aren't nice

This.

Albion
06-18-2012, 08:12 PM
Nicer than many rightists that I have met. Less angry.

But not nearly as rational and the left like to subtly insult the people they purport to help (the downtrodden lower classes). I see them, they talk down at these people as if they're children, many leftists are all "mightier than thou" and it shows in their patronising attitudes.
I'm not saying this is all leftists, just many (especially those in a position of power).

The working classes need to stop associating with the left by default and to actually think about which ideologies work best for them. To often I see working class people associating with the left because "that's what us working class people do".
I grew up in rather humble surroundings but my experiences actually made me rather right-wing in outlook. I incorporate some left-wing views such as a belief that we should have basic welfare and public funded hospitals, Libertarianism is just a bit too extreme for me (Libertarianism = shitholes verging on anarchy).

Kazimiera
06-18-2012, 08:22 PM
But not nearly as rational and the left like to subtly insult the people they purport to help (the downtrodden lower classes). I see them, they talk down at these people as if they're children, many leftists are all "mightier than thou" and it shows in their patronising attitudes.
I'm not saying this is all leftists, just many (especially those in a position of power).

The working classes need to stop associating with the left by default and to actually think about which ideologies work best for them. To often I see working class people associating with the left because "that's what us working class people do".
I grew up in rather humble surroundings but my experiences actually made me rather right-wing in outlook. I incorporate some left-wing views such as a belief that we should have basic welfare and public funded hospitals, Libertarianism is just a bit too extreme for me (Libertarianism = shitholes verging on anarchy).

I agree very much with this. I was actually thinking about it today. All those bleeding hearts who leave their country behind to go and "help" in poor countries. I suppose the motivation behind this is noble BUT charity begins at home. If you want to make a difference, then start with your own country which I am sure has more than enough problems. Secondly, the shithole countries need to sort their own problems out.

I find nothing more irritating than the bleeding hearts who come with all this "love", convinced that they are going to change the world.

The Lively Rock
06-18-2012, 08:23 PM
Uuuh i think im kinda nice, lol, what do you think
OK guys i might be a little sarcastic when i talk but c'mon that's my way

Quorra
06-18-2012, 08:36 PM
Uuuh i think im kinda nice, lol, what do you think
OK guys i might be a little sarcastic when i talk but c'mon that's my way

Your not a leftist. Unless you want Negroes to come and live in Turkey?

Siberian Cold Breeze
06-18-2012, 08:39 PM
Your not a leftist. Unless you want Negroes to come and live in Turkey?

We have our blacks -rare, but they have been living here hundreds of years ..we have no problem..http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Turks
They are decent people ,no violence ,no gangs ,no drugs..
may be problem is your culture,not Africans..

Melina
06-18-2012, 08:42 PM
Most leftist are liberals and multi cultural fanatics.. They do more harm than good..

Kazimiera
06-18-2012, 08:54 PM
Most leftist are liberals and multi cultural fanatics.. They do more harm than good..

Not necessarily. Not all leftists are liberals and multiculti fanatics.

I am left but I am not necessarily the most liberal. As the world is getting smaller and people live closer to each other meeting up with other races is inevitable.

I don't advocate that we must all live together and embrace each other and live happily ever after, because that is not going to happen. But if we are going to be in close proximity, lets at least keep as much peace as is possible.

And I don't think that making a government responsible for the welfare of its citizens is a harmful exercise. I think it is a prerequisite that governments should care for it's citizens. Not to the point where the government funds lazy asses that don't want to work and supports immigrants. Immigrants should stay at home. It is not the business of another country to support them. If they do not bring anything to the table in terms of education and being a contributing member to that country, then go home. But a government should ensure that all its citizens have free and accessible health care as well as decent housing for everyone with at least the basic amenities in place. A government should also provide its citizens with an education. It is the least that a country can do for its own people. And they will also reciprocate with loyalty.

Supreme American
06-18-2012, 09:01 PM
http://i49.tinypic.com/k3kjf7.jpg

Supreme American
06-18-2012, 09:02 PM
Most leftist are liberals and multi cultural fanatics.. They do more harm than good..

Most of what they do is harmful as it is by design against nearly every tradition and basic structure of Western Civilization itself.

Melina
06-18-2012, 09:11 PM
Most of what they do is harmful as it is by design against nearly every tradition and basic structure of Western Civilization itself.

They want to impose their beliefs on everyone else. I have seen some comments from liberal Americans saying they want the U.S to cut their economic trade with Russia because Russia doesn't except homosexuals.

The Lively Rock
06-18-2012, 09:11 PM
Your not a leftist. Unless you want Negroes to come and live in Turkey?

I like negnoes :D And there are black people in Turkey-rare though like Siberian says-


We have our blacks -rare, but they have been living here hundreds of years ..we have no problem..http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Turks
They are descent people ,no violence ,no gangs ,no drugs..

PS- I like Michael Jordan :p

Albion
06-18-2012, 09:12 PM
I find nothing more irritating than the bleeding hearts who come with all this "love", convinced that they are going to change the world.

That's the thing - I don't think they go to Africa out of compassion for the people, I think most of them go to further their own ego and experience the world rather than to help the poor.
If they really felt so bad about the poor then why is it most of these people are usually Upper Middle Class, quite affluent people who'd never give up their lifestyle?
I see the sorts of people, they fly off to Africa and want to be seen as god when they get back because they've handed out some rations to a few Somalis instead of actually doing something worth while like digging a well or showing them how to farm drought-tolerant crops.
They're the sorts of people that bang on about helping poor people, combating global warming and tolerating others whilst they do the exact reverse - they're usually the most materialistic, decadent people around and "toleration" only extends to those who totally agree with them. Do they tolerate opposing views to theirs? No. Do they tolerate the right wing? Hell no!

You only have to read comments on the Guardian website to get a rough idea of what the left is like. There's also the student leftist problem - too many ideological students busy worshipping Marx as their god and bitching about inequality to notice that they're the ones actually creating it.

Leftist hypocrisy makes me sick. The right wing may go light on empathy but at least we admit to it unlike those liers on the left.

Albion
06-18-2012, 09:28 PM
Not necessarily. Not all leftists are liberals and multiculti fanatics.

Just most of them. ;)

Kazimiera
06-18-2012, 09:29 PM
That's the thing - I don't think they go to Africa out of compassion for the people, I think most of them go to further their own ego and experience the world rather than to help the poor.

True.


If they really felt so bad about the poor then why is it most of these people are usually Upper Middle Class, quite affluent people who'd never give up their lifestyle?

Isn't it always like that?


I see the sorts of people, they fly off to Africa and want to be seen as god when they get back because they've handed out some rations to a few Somalis instead of actually doing something worth while like digging a well or showing them how to farm drought-tolerant crops.

I agree with this 110%. If you are going to go to the effort then use your time there to do something constructive. Then again, I feel it is the responsibility of the government to show its citizens how to do this in the first place.


They're the sorts of people that bang on about helping poor people, combating global warming and tolerating others whilst they do the exact reverse - they're usually the most materialistic, decadent people around and "toleration" only extends to those who totally agree with them. Do they tolerate opposing views to theirs? No. Do they tolerate the right wing? Hell no!

Agreed. But the right wing doesn't tolerate the left wing much either.


You only have to read comments on the Guardian website to get a rough idea of what the left is like. There's also the student leftist problem - too many ideological students busy worshipping Marx as their god and bitching about inequality to notice that they're the ones actually creating it.

This pisses me off to no end. These type of leftists are the Nutzi brigade of the right. Equally deluded. What I find so amusing is that these "leftists" are students whose parents are funding their education and haven't worked a day in their lives, and many are wealthy enough never to have to work. They think the left is about having dreadlocks and smoking weed, which is why they want it legalised so desperately.


Leftist hypocrisy makes me sick. The right wing may go light on empathy but at least we admit to it unlike those liers on the left.

Hypocrisy makes me sick no matter which angle it is coming from. There are hypocrites on the left and hypocrites on the right. You will find hypocrisy and liars everywhere and it's not limited to politics or religion.

Queen B
06-18-2012, 09:33 PM
No, generally, they aren't.

Kazimiera
06-18-2012, 09:44 PM
There is a rather big difference between THIS

http://www.pbs.org/behindcloseddoors/tmp_assets/stalin-bio.jpg
http://www.marxists.org/espanol/lenin/023.jpg
http://strittprojects.wikispaces.com/file/view/5826_Mao%2520Zedong.jpg/135752461/331x475/5826_Mao%2520Zedong.jpg

and THIS

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/RussianRainbowGathering_4Aug2005.jpg

The Lively Rock
06-18-2012, 09:46 PM
[B][SIZE="6"]and THIS

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/RussianRainbowGathering_4Aug2005.jpg

This is better ;)))
Music rocks maaan !

Albion
06-18-2012, 09:46 PM
There is a rather big difference between THIS

http://www.pbs.org/behindcloseddoors/tmp_assets/stalin-bio.jpg
http://www.marxists.org/espanol/lenin/023.jpg
http://strittprojects.wikispaces.com/file/view/5826_Mao%2520Zedong.jpg/135752461/331x475/5826_Mao%2520Zedong.jpg

and THIS

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/RussianRainbowGathering_4Aug2005.jpg

Yes, Stalin and Lenin wouldn't stand for these workshy layabouts - it'd be off to Magadan with them!

Kazimiera
06-18-2012, 09:48 PM
Music rocks maaan !

I'm sure it does, but it doesn't contribute to anything other than the music industry or people's earache.

Kazimiera
06-18-2012, 09:53 PM
Yes, Stalin and Lenin wouldn't stand for these workshy layabouts - it'd be off to Magadan with them!

I'm Left and I don't have much time for them either. I think when most people hear Left they think of people like this guy.

The Lawspeaker
06-18-2012, 09:57 PM
I'm Left and I don't have much time for them either. I think when most people hear Left they think of people like this guy.
I am left-wing and I think that those hippies were just dirty, work-shy layabouts. And when it comes to the communists ? Well I don't think we share an ideology and they seem as dangerous and crazy to me as the average Nazi.

When I think about the Left I think of the Socialist Party here, I think of people like Willem Drees, I think about honesty, hard work and the we stand together- mentality of the 1950s.

PetiteParisienne
06-18-2012, 10:00 PM
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers. Trust fund babies wearing expensive Birkenstocks and organising pro-Muslim marches will be the end of us.

Albion
06-18-2012, 10:03 PM
I'm Left and I don't have much time for them either. I think when most people hear Left they think of people like this guy.

Well, yes - and those I described earlier in the thread. The problem is that they make up a huge proportion of the left.
The right has Nazis, but the left has these people and they're quite a sizeable and influential group.

Kazimiera
06-18-2012, 10:06 PM
I am left-wing and I think that those hippies were just dirty, work-shy layabouts. And when it comes to the communists ? Well I don't think we share an ideology and they seem as dangerous and crazy to me as the average Nazi.

When I think about the Left I think of the Socialist Party here, I think of people like Willem Drees, I think about honesty, hard work and the we stand together- mentality of the 1950s.

I tend to think that the Communists are also a bit hardcore, although I can sympathise with them more than the Nazi's.

Although I am definitely left I am a little afraid to do so in South Africa because when you say 'left' here, the ANC and those crackpots come to mind. The problem with 'leftism' in South Africa is that it is just a disguise for racism in reverse. I am all for education, healthcare, affirmative action BUT not at the disadvantage of another group which is exactly what is happening here. It's a race issue (again) and not about equal opportunity. If it was equal white people wouldn't be living in trailer parks and moving out of the country.

The Lawspeaker
06-18-2012, 10:07 PM
Hmmm back in the day we had the nozems (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nozem) (during the 1950s - a bit like the teddy boys) and they were trouble: they tore down a concert hall and all and provoked the police. What do you think the left-wing government did ? That's right: they send in the police and beat their little asses down and put them under lock and key when they were looking for trouble.

Sultan Suleiman
06-18-2012, 10:09 PM
More nicer and saner than most right wing dipshits I've met in Balkans :P


P.S.: I am a conservative.

Albion
06-18-2012, 10:11 PM
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers. Trust fund babies wearing expensive Birkenstocks and organising pro-Muslim marches will be the end of us.

Sometimes I do wonder whether the voting age should be raised rather than lowered.
I vote but do note have much faith in most people of my age, people around 20 are still immature and haven't experienced much to make judgements yet. The voting age needs to be more like 25, not lowered to 16 like the SNP say.
Regarding the SNP - they'd let 12 year olds vote for Scottish independence if they could get away with it. Just imagine that, little versions of that former member Argyll voting based on Scottish romanticism and doing as their teachers command.

I'd also be tempted to say restrict voting to taxpayers but it would be too easy for the wealthy to exploit and restrict the voter base even more that way.

Kazimiera
06-18-2012, 10:12 PM
Well, yes - and those I described earlier in the thread. The problem is that they make up a huge proportion of the left.
The right has Nazis, but the left has these people and they're quite a sizeable and influential group.

I think it also depends what country. But yes, there are more of these than Nazi's. I joined a left-wing forum but when I realised that half these people were teenagers who didn't want to go to school, or twenty year old students wasting daddy's money on useless degrees I made a dash back to The Apricity. At least here I don't need to listen to the whining about what a bad trip the LSD from a new dealer sent the OP on.

Albion
06-18-2012, 10:13 PM
Hmmm back in the day we had the nozems (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nozem) (during the 1950s - a bit like the teddy boys) and they were trouble: they tore down a concert hall and all and provoked the police. What do you think the left-wing government did ? That's right: they send in the police and beat their little asses down and put them under lock and key when they were looking for trouble.

Whilst today the left teaches us how great "rehabilitating" convicts is. It is a sad excuse for telling them off and hoping they won't do it again.

The Lawspeaker
06-18-2012, 10:15 PM
Whilst today the left teaches us how great "rehabilitating" convicts is. It is a sad excuse for telling them off and hoping they won't do it again.

But the thing is though.. that crime only began to become an issue again under right-wing governments and they usually let criminals off the hook and blame it all on the left. A bit like back under Colijn when crime was not blamed on poverty but on " socialist agitation". Now it is blamed on " decisions taken by previous left-wing governments".

I think the difference is this: the left always promoted the idea of community, of standing together and with that law and order was included. The right talked off law and order only to cut back on it and promote individualism and " do it yourself".

Kazimiera
06-18-2012, 10:17 PM
But the thing is though.. that crime only began to become an issue again under right-wing governments and they usually let criminals off the hook and blame it all on the left. A bit like back under Colijn when crime was not blamed on poverty but on " socialist agitation". Now it is blamed on " decisions taken by previous left-wing governments".

Or "previous right-wing governments".

The Lawspeaker
06-18-2012, 10:20 PM
Or "previous right-wing governments".

They don't do that here. They always blame it on the " foppish layabouts, those lefties that always throw away money that isn't there..." left. Whereas cabinets with the VVD (right-wing) have always created higher national debts and has sorted out less isssues and created more. The latest right-wing government is another beautiful example of saying one thing and doing the other..

Kazimiera
06-18-2012, 10:27 PM
They don't do that here. They always blame it on the " foppish layabouts, those lefties that always throw away money that isn't there..." left. Whereas cabinets with the VVD (right-wing) have always created higher national debts and has sorted out less isssues and created more. The latest right-wing government is another beautiful example of saying one thing and doing the other..

Here in South Africa you hear about the previous right-wing government all the time. And granted, the previous government was only great if you fitted into their criteria of what human was. Instead of real progression we have just had a swing-around. Look, the new government has made HUGE strides towards a better life for the previously disadvantaged but most of the money which is supposed to go on projects like this is going into the back pockets of politicians who like to stay in expensive hotels.

The Lawspeaker
06-18-2012, 10:32 PM
Here in South Africa you hear about the previous right-wing government all the time. And granted, the previous government was only great if you fitted into their criteria of what human was. Instead of real progression we have just had a swing-around. Look, the new government has made HUGE strides towards a better life for the previously disadvantaged but most of the money which is supposed to go on projects like this is going into the back pockets of politicians who like to stay in expensive hotels.
Here it is just the other way around.

Albion
06-18-2012, 11:19 PM
But the thing is though.. that crime only began to become an issue again under right-wing governments and they usually let criminals off the hook and blame it all on the left. A bit like back under Colijn when crime was not blamed on poverty but on " socialist agitation". Now it is blamed on " decisions taken by previous left-wing governments".

I think the difference is this: the left always promoted the idea of community, of standing together and with that law and order was included. The right talked off law and order only to cut back on it and promote individualism and " do it yourself".

Well that's just the Netherlands, here in England and most of the Anglosphere the left is terrible.
Politicians always blame other parties for their problems, that is unique to nowhere.

Graham
06-19-2012, 12:15 AM
Well that's just the Netherlands, here in England and most of the Anglosphere the left is terrible.
Politicians always blame other parties for their problems, that is unique to nowhere.

England/UK hasn't had a true left wing party in charge for a while. Blair's New Labour model, I don't recognise as left. Labour widened economic inequality in charge.

Blair & Thatcher are neo-liberals.

Jedthehumanoid
06-19-2012, 07:01 AM
England/UK hasn't had a true left wing party in charge for a while. Blair's New Labour model, I don't recognise as left. Labour widened economic inequality in charge.Blair & Thatcher are neo-liberals.


How does the introduction of tax credits fit into this argument?

rhiannon
06-19-2012, 07:41 AM
I agree very much with this. I was actually thinking about it today. All those bleeding hearts who leave their country behind to go and "help" in poor countries. I suppose the motivation behind this is noble BUT charity begins at home. If you want to make a difference, then start with your own country which I am sure has more than enough problems. Secondly, the shithole countries need to sort their own problems out.

I find nothing more irritating than the bleeding hearts who come with all this "love", convinced that they are going to change the world.
I understand your gist.

I think it depends on what services they plan to provide. Healthcare is not accessible to a large part of the third world, and what healthcare there is tends to be substandard, at best. Nonetheless, because I believe everyone deserves basic healthcare and the right to live life free of pain and suffering, I may someday be one of those healthcare workers who chooses to go work in the African bush for a few months.

I cannot and will not retract my beliefs that treating and possibly curing diseases of little kids who had no say in where they were born is, in any way, bad.

No child deserves to suffer for circumstances they had no part in creating. If I was rich like Gates or had the opportunity to provide love, as well as cure the ills of all the world's downtrodden children myself, I sure as hell would.....in a heartbeat.:)

It cannot be helped that I feel so strongly....becoming a mother at a pretty young age really changed my perspective on many things.

rhiannon
06-19-2012, 07:46 AM
Whilst today the left teaches us how great "rehabilitating" convicts is. It is a sad excuse for telling them off and hoping they won't do it again.

Fuck rehab.

All vicious murdering scum deserve death. No one has to pay for their upkeep if they're DEAD.

Our appeals system is totally fucked up in this regard:rolleyes:

The Lawspeaker
06-19-2012, 08:01 AM
Fuck rehab.

All vicious murdering scum deserve death. No one has to pay for their upkeep if they're DEAD.

Aye. Hang them high !

Quorra
06-19-2012, 08:13 AM
Originally Posted by Albion
Whilst today the left teaches us how great "rehabilitating" convicts is. It is a sad excuse for telling them off and hoping they won't do it again.

Fuck rehab.

All vicious murdering scum deserve death. No one has to pay for their upkeep if they're DEAD.

Our appeals system is totally fucked up in this regard:rolleyes:

Yeah! and all the shop lifters too. Kill 'em all!:angryw

:p