Safest & Least Safest Airlines

[Supreme American]

Hint: Fly an airline operated by white people.

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[The Lawspeaker]

Funny. When I hear about air crash stories they are usually American airliners. I will stick to KLM. :D

[rhiannon]

Funny. When I hear about air crash stories they are usually American airliners. I will stick to KLM. :D

Generally, American-based airlines are safer than those that aren't.

The qualifications to even get to the point of being hired by any of the bigger name airlines are very stringent. My husband flies for one of the most stringent airlines of all....and also one of the safest:thumb001:

To be fair, KLM is no slouch, either:thumb001:

[The Lawspeaker]

Generally, American-based airlines are safer than those that aren't.

The qualifications to even get to the point of being hired by any of the bigger name airlines are very stringent. My husband flies for one of the most stringent airlines of all....and also one of the safest:thumb001:

To be fair, KLM is no slouch, either:thumb001:

Still.. it's quite something that just about every Discovery Channel or National Geographic aeroplane crash investigation program is about an American company. Either American airports have the quality of NAIA or there is something very wrong with the American airliners safety record.

[rhiannon]

Still.. it's quite something that just about every Discovery Channel or National Geographic aeroplane crash investigation program is about an American company. Either American airports have the quality of NAIA or there is something very wrong with the American airliners safety record.

It's media bias. You should know this, silly:)

[Supreme American]

Dana Air of Nigeria recently had its entire fleet grounded due to the whopper of a crash they had recently. Third World airlines are the worst, and it goes without saying.

If you care to go through this list (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incidents_involving_commerci al_aircraft#2012), you'll see it IS usually Third World planes going down, along with a smattering of ex-Eastern Bloc countries also.

[Supreme American]

Still.. it's quite something that just about every Discovery Channel or National Geographic aeroplane crash investigation program is about an American company. Either American airports have the quality of NAIA or there is something very wrong with the American airliners safety record.

That's it? The audiences to those channels are primarily American. You think they want to hear about a Chinese or Russian plane crash? People always pay more attention about things closer to home? THIS is what you base your opinion on?

Don't tell me - You think those assholes on Springer and Maury aren't actors, right?

[The Lawspeaker]

It's media bias. You should know this, silly:)

I don't think so. National Geographic and Discovery Channel ARE American-owned.

[Supreme American]

It's media bias. You should know this, silly:)

His entire hateful opinion of the US comes from the media.

[The Lawspeaker]

That's it? The audiences to those channels are primarily American. You think they want to hear about a Chinese or Russian plane crash? People always pay more attention about things closer to home? THIS is what you base your opinion on?
The fact remains: you have a lot more plane crashes then we do.


Don't tell me - You think those assholes on Springer and Maury aren't actors, right?
No those are actors.

[rhiannon]

I don't think so. National Geographic and Discovery Channel ARE American-owned.

Have you ever flown an American carrier? Our airlines ARE safe. SA is right in saying that the least safe airlines are those in places like Africa and Eastern Europe. I think I am going to know a little more about this than you will, honestly, as I am married to a man who is an airline pilot. I get my information directly from a person who is on the inside and is going to know a fuckload more about airline safety than any layperson. He has to....it's his JOB.:thumb001:

[Supreme American]

I don't think so. National Geographic and Discovery Channel ARE American-owned.

And thus they focus on the US. You think a network in India is going to harp about plane crashes in Canada?

I can't believe we're having this conversation.

[The Lawspeaker]

And thus they focus on the US. You think a network in India is going to harp about plane crashes in Canada?

I can't believe we're having this conversation.

Well.. but it thus gives the impression that the U.S has about the safety record of let's say.. the Philippines.

[The Lawspeaker]

Have you ever flown an American carrier? Our airlines ARE safe.
I am quite sure that international American airlines like Delta Airlines are perfectly safe.

[rhiannon]

I am quite sure that international American airlines like Delta Airlines are perfectly safe.

Here are some stats....numbers reflect # of fatal events per million miles traveled

safest American carriers
Southwest Airlines 0.00 (no fatalities in its history)
Delta Airlines 0.17
Northwest Airlines 0.21
Continental Airlines 0.24
US Air 0.28
United Airlines 0.31
Alaska Airlines 0.33
American Airlines 0.40

safest foreign carriers

British Airlines 0.17
SAS 0.19
Lufthansa 0.22
All Nippon Airlines 0.22
Air France 0.72 (not including the 6/1/09 crash)

carriers with highest fatality records


Turkish Airlines 3.60
Indian Airlines 3.53
Aeromexico 1.76
Japan Airlines 1.36
SwissAir 1.20

SA is right. I do note KLM is not on the (foreign) list, interestingly enough. I honestly would have expected otherwise. For the record, my husband's airline IS on the list for safest airlines:)

[Supreme American]

The fact remains: you have a lot more plane crashes then we do.

Uhm, we have most of the largest airlines in the world (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World's_largest_airlines#Scheduled_passengers_carr ied), and you're a pissant nation. Seriously. Compare number of flights per day. This isn't rocket science, America hater. And none of our airlines have had a crash in years, unless you count two that skidded off the runway in the past few years as "crashes." Oh and one lost engines when a bunch of birds got sucked into them.

KLM is like a little maggot underfoot a stampede of horses. Hell, KLM is headquartered in fucking France. It's not even a true Dutch airline anymore.

But no, you have to troll this thread, too.

[Supreme American]

Here are some stats....numbers reflect # of fatal events per million miles traveled

safest American carriers
Southwest Airlines 0.00 (no fatalities in its history)
Delta Airlines 0.17
Northwest Airlines 0.21
Continental Airlines 0.24
US Air 0.28
United Airlines 0.31
Alaska Airlines 0.33
American Airlines 0.40

I don't know why Frontier isn't on the list. Perhaps it's too small.

[The Lawspeaker]

Uhm, we have most of the largest airlines in the world (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World's_largest_airlines#Scheduled_passengers_carr ied), and you're a pissant nation. Seriously. Compare number of flights per day. This isn't rocket science, America hater. And none of our airlines have had a crash in years, unless you count two that skidded off the runway in the past few years as "crashes." Oh and one lost engines when a bunch of birds got sucked into them.

KLM is like a little maggot underfoot a stampede of horses. Hell, KLM is headquartered in fucking France. It's not even a true Dutch airline anymore.

But no, you have to troll this thread, too.
KLM is the oldest company that still exists today and it shows that your entire list is just purely American-centric with only a few other companies thrown into it to hide that fact that it is Americans trumping their own chest whereas America has a lot of accidents. It has been merged with Air France which means that both companies still very much have their own identity but they just crucially work together. Besides: what you say is even fundamentally untrue: since a foreign-owned company cannot hold the Royal title.

[rhiannon]

KLM is the oldest company that still exists today and it shows that your entire list is just purely American-centric with only a few other companies thrown into it to hide that fact that it is Americans trumping their own chest whereas America has a lot of accidents.

I bid for you to examine the following (http://en.apa.az/news.php?id=102535)

The source is German/Austrian....gives a list of the 60 safest airlines. My husband's is also on that list. KLM is not. I have not found it on any list, and I've been looking lol

[The Lawspeaker]

I bid for you to examine the following (http://en.apa.az/news.php?id=102535)

The source is German/Austrian....gives a list of the 60 safest airlines. My husband's is also on that list. KLM is not. I have not found it on any list, and I've been looking lol
That's peculiar then. Royal Dutch Airlines. Maybe that works. Here is something that does (http://www.eturbonews.com/24925/european-us-carriers-dominate-list-worlds-safest-airlines) show it. Here (http://www.relax.com.sg/relax/news/748860/European_US_carriers_dominate_list_of_world_s_safe st_airlines.html) as well. 2011.

[rhiannon]

That's peculiar then. Royal Dutch Airlines. Maybe that works.

Nope. Not one reference to a single Dutch airline that I can find on any list.

Nevertheless, there are numerous American carriers on these lists.:)

We're not so bad over here, you know:D

[The Lawspeaker]

Nope. Not one reference to a single Dutch airline that I can find on any list.

Nevertheless, there are numerous American carriers on these lists.:)

We're not so bad over here, you know:D

Different list (http://www.relax.com.sg/relax/news/748860/European_US_carriers_dominate_list_of_world_s_safe st_airlines.html). Nr. 1 in 2011.

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[rhiannon]

That's peculiar then. Royal Dutch Airlines. Maybe that works. Here is something that does (http://www.eturbonews.com/24925/european-us-carriers-dominate-list-worlds-safest-airlines) show it. Here (http://www.relax.com.sg/relax/news/748860/European_US_carriers_dominate_list_of_world_s_safe st_airlines.html) as well. 2011.

OK. I see it there:) Note there are numerous American carriers on that list as well, though. Plus, KLM appears to be linked directly to Air France. I am gonna check my husband's workplace website to see if I can link directly off of it. My guess is the data found there will be the most accurate of all

[The Lawspeaker]

OK. I see it there:) Note there are numerous American carriers on that list as well, though. Plus, KLM appears to be linked directly to Air France. I am gonna check my husband's workplace website to see if I can link directly off of it. My guess is the data found there will be the most accurate of all
Well, yes. They are two companies working very closely together. They have merged a while back but unlike SA's claim it's not foreign owned. Otherwise it wouldn't have a Royal title as that is not allowed under Dutch law.

[The Lively Rock]

Here are some stats....numbers reflect # of fatal events per million miles traveled
carriers with highest fatality records


Turkish Airlines 3.60
Indian Airlines 3.53
Aeromexico 1.76
Japan Airlines 1.36
SwissAir 1.20


Uuuh dude... I only flew Turkish airlines, and SwissAir. And if this list is somehow true, i'm lucky to be alive. Hurray for me !!! Lol.

Could you show me the example of fatalities of Turkish Airlines and SwissAir if you have ? Just curious, i wanna check.

[The Lawspeaker]

I have flown Zest Airways (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zest_Airways) from Manila to Puerto Princesa. Nothing happened. The plane was new and it was just a safe ride. For all the other flights in my life it has only been KLM or KLM exel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Exel) (which no longer exists.)

[Le duc d'Abrantès]

Don't trust Russian made aircrafts (e.g., Tupolev). Former USSR states' airlines have them, as well their former "satellite" states. I wouldn't fly on one.

I think most major European airlines are pretty safe. Notable exception would be Air France which had three major accidents from 2000 to 2010, two of them killing everyone on board (Concorde crash and flight from Rio de Janeiro to Paris Charles de Gaulle).

[The Lawspeaker]

Hmm this might be an interesting list (http://planecrashinfo.com/rates.htm).

[The Lawspeaker]

Don't trust Russian made aircrafts (e.g., Tupolev).

I think most major European airlines are pretty safe. Notable exception would be Air France which had three major accidents from 2000 to 2010, two of them killing everyone on board (Concorde crash and flight from Rio de Janeiro to Paris Charles de Gaulle).
Yes. I think that Lufthansa and Garuda would be better partners for KLM then a bunch of frogs that are just trying to sell their Airbus.

On Air-France-KLM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France-KLM#cite_note-10) (Dutch tend to use KLM-Air France when refering to the company):

Air France-KLM was created by the mutually agreed merger between Air France and Netherlands-based KLM on 5 May 2004.
As a result of the deal, the French government's share of Air France was reduced from 54.4% (of the former Air France) to 44% (of the combined airline). Its share was subsequently reduced to 25%, and later to 18.6%.
At the time of the merger in May 2004, Air France and KLM combined offered flights to 225 destinations in the world. In the year ending 21 March 2003, the two companies combined transported 66.3 million passengers.
In October 2005, Air France Cargo and KLM Cargo, the two freight subsidiaries of the group, announced a merge of their commercial activities. The Joint Cargo Management Team now operates the organisation worldwide from the Netherlands.
In a 2007 opening for a majority takeover of the loss-generating Alitalia, Air France-KLM was one of three bidders, and was favoured by the board of Alitalia.[7] However, on 2 April 2008, it was reported that negotiations have been abandoned.[8] After the acquisition of Alitalia and Air One by Compagnia Aerea Italiana on 12 December 2008, Air France-KLM has announced it is interested once again in purchasing a participation in the new merged company. On 12 January 2009, Air France-KLM announced that it will buy a 25% share in this company for €323 million.[9]
February 2011: Air France-KLM with Delta Air Lines are working together to examine a bid for Virgin Atlantic. At the present Richard Branson has 51 percent stake of Virgin Atlantic and the rest is held by Singapore Airlines.[10]
Air France-KLM has categorized as one of World's 10 safest airlines announced by ATRA in August 2011.[11][10]



Here is that list (http://english.kompas.com/read/2011/08/30/08340190/Worlds.Top.10.Safest.Airlines.Named). In 2011.

[rhiannon]

Hmm this might be an interesting list (http://planecrashinfo.com/rates.htm).

That's a good list. Looks to me like American and European carriers are pretty similar.....especially from 2002 forward. This is essentially what my husband says. If I am going to fly, I am going to choose an American or European carrier (Australian can be lumped in as well).

[Siberyak]

The fact remains: you have a lot more plane crashes then we do.


No those are actors.

no U.S. airtravel is very safe.

[The Lawspeaker]

no U.S. airtravel is very safe.

And that's why they feature so prominent in air craft investigation series. :thumb001: And all are of course fake and actors and for an American public etc etc etc.

[Siberyak]

It is extremely rare that a major American airliner crashes.

[The Lawspeaker]

It is extremely rare that a major American airliner crashes.
Exactly. A major.

[Siberyak]

The ones that crash are mainly twin engines planes with commercial pilots.

[The Lawspeaker]

The ones that crash are mainly twin engines planes with commercial pilots.

From smaller companies.

[Siberyak]

mainly just private owned jets with amateur pilots is mostly what happens. Crop dusters crash a lot also.

[Dacul]

British Airways is one of the safest if not safest european company in the last 30 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways#Incidents_and_accidents
British Airways did not had any accident after which someone would die from 1976.

[PetiteParisienne]

My favourite airlines are Air New Zealand, El Al, and British Airways.

[Supreme American]

Exactly. A major.

Kindly post statistics or stop crapping up the thread. :thumb001:

[Supreme American]

From smaller companies.

Source?

Most crashes are single engine private planes. Not commercial.

Scroll down to graph 4 (http://planecrashinfo.com/cause.htm). You're dismissed, good sir.

[The Lawspeaker]

My favourite airlines are Air New Zealand, El Al, and British Airways.

KLM for me. I also want to try Emirates (on the same route) and Singapore Airlines.

[PetiteParisienne]

KLM for me. I also want to try Emirates (on the same route) and Singapore Airlines.

I have heard good things about Emirates.

[The Lawspeaker]

I have heard good things about Emirates.

Me too.. fantastic service against slightly lower rates. :thumb001:

[Riki]

Here are some stats....numbers reflect # of fatal events per million miles traveled

safest American carriers
Southwest Airlines 0.00 (no fatalities in its history)
Delta Airlines 0.17
Northwest Airlines 0.21
Continental Airlines 0.24
US Air 0.28
United Airlines 0.31
Alaska Airlines 0.33
American Airlines 0.40

safest foreign carriers

British Airlines 0.17
SAS 0.19
Lufthansa 0.22
All Nippon Airlines 0.22
Air France 0.72 (not including the 6/1/09 crash)

carriers with highest fatality records


Turkish Airlines 3.60
Indian Airlines 3.53
Aeromexico 1.76
Japan Airlines 1.36
SwissAir 1.20

SA is right. I do note KLM is not on the (foreign) list, interestingly enough. I honestly would have expected otherwise. For the record, my husband's airline IS on the list for safest airlines:)


TAP Air Portugal named Best Airline in Europe by Global Traveler
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TAP Air Portugal was named “Best Airline in Europe” by the Global Traveler Magazine readers.(| December 4, 2011)

This year, Global Traveler’s distinguished readers recognized airlines, hotels, loyalty programs and travel-related products in 66 categories. The results of the survey are announced in the December 2011 issue, available today.

GTreaders are frequent premium travelers averaging 16 international and 16 domestic round-trip flights a year, with an average household income of $340,000 per year. Global Traveler’s elite readers spend an average 80 nights per year away on foreign travel and 40 nights on domestic travel. A whopping 78 percent regularly travel in first or business class.


According to the JACDEC Airliner Safety Report, released in January 2011, TAP Air Portugal was rated the Western Europe’s safest airline and the fourth world’s safest after Qantas, Air New Zealand, and Finnair.