Why Turk and Albaninan members open topics about origins of Serbs, Croats, Bulgarians etc

[Amarantine]

I am really curious about above. Some good intentions may be? Some quality theories that everyone could learn something?

Or some second thought theories which irritate members of mentioned "origins". I would like to know, how they exactly want to really improve topics on this forum?

Every time I expect some serious debate, some serious theory...and on the end...nothing just well known anymosyties.

It is a little boring every time to see small forum wars, to pointed Balkan small forum wars (not just Yugoslavs but Macedonians, Greeks, Bulgarians, Albanians and now even Turks (from which I expected much more serious approach, obviously they failed).

I am soooo disappointed.

[Drawing-live]

Yea sure serbs macedonians croats greeks Are all so mixed and they hate us albanians for being the only survivers of old original balkanians. These people are like bad guests and refuse to learn and respect. Kids, correlates with their fresh off the boat existence in balkans.

[Osprey]

These Balkanites are a confusing mass of humanity. What their fights, alliances, etc are always get me confused.

[Viljuska]

I am really curious about above. Some good intentions may be?They are trolling.
Not many albanians here are serious posters.

[morski]

These Balkanites are a confusing mass of humanity. What their fights, alliances, etc are always get me confused.

Butting in is Balkanian.

[Osprey]

Butting in is Balkanian.

A bird of prey also butts in :dance nerd

[safinator]

It's for improving our relations.

[Ushtari]

We can take Serbs as an example

The national sport of Serbs is lying, and most of their "brave" history is based on lies. They also like to claim all sorts of things about their neighbors such as that they have their origin outside Europe, that they are mixed, that they have been stealing others land etc etc. Fact is however, that all these things that Serbs keep accusing others for, apply to themselves and therefor its important to highlight it.

[Minesweeper]

We can take Serbs as an example

The national sport of Serbs is lying, and most of their brave "history" is based on lies. They also like to claim all sorts of things about their neighbors such as that they have their origin outside Europe, that they are mixed, that they have been stealing others land etc etc. Fact is however, that all these things that Serbs keep accusing others for, apply to themselves and therefor its important to highlight it.

Ushtari is a third world immigrant. ;)

[kabeiros]

Because they have always been muslim allies who want to expand their sharia low in Europe. Good Christian European peoples like Greeks, Serbs, Bulgarians stand in the way. It's not that hard to understand their attitude...

[Drawing-live]

First of all this thread outhor is either total ingorant blind, or a born twisted liar. Not looking good either way.
It is serbs and macedonins doing this.

Plus serbs greeks and macedonians are no saviours of christianity nor europe but the exact oppossite. They're blood sucking non-europeans in everyway.

History proves me right 120% and only ingonrants wouldn't understand this crystall clear reality.

[Grizzly]

To the OP are you blind? It seems every day there is a new thread about Albanians having origins in the Caucasus and it's usually started by a Serb..


I don't post anything harmful about my Balkan cousins for the most part. As for the others I think they are trolling and it's part of the Balkan mentality. Some are extremely prideful even if they are living abroad(like me).

[Útrám]

The pattern has a tendency to repeat itself.

http://i.imgur.com/8AtQb.jpg

[rashka]

To the OP are you blind? It seems every day there is a new thread about Albanians having origins in the Caucasus and it's usually started by a Serb..


I don't post anything harmful about my Balkan cousins for the most part. As for the others I think they are trolling and it's part of the Balkan mentality. Some are extremely prideful even if they are living abroad(like me).

Are you blind? The biggest trolling here are coming from Albanians yet to you it is called "prideful". You are not better than them.
Constant lies and name calling by XxX. Some of their worthless posts had to get deleted but many still remain.

Btw, Caucasus people are too good looking to look like Albanians of today.

[Grizzly]

Are you blind? The biggest trolling here are coming from Albanians yet to you it is called "prideful". Constant lies and name calling by XxX. You are not better than them.

Btw, Caucasus people are too good looking to look like Albanians of today.

LOL, thanks for proving my point.

[rashka]

LOL, thanks for proving my point.

No, I thank you. I am so glad you were smart enough to pick up on it. I guess you're not blind after all.

[derLowe]

This thread is on the same level as the subject it is complaining about.

[Drawing-live]

Btw, Caucasus people are too good looking to look like Albanians of today. rashka dont make me mad callin us ugly everyother post. You gone force me to make you my girlfirend, make you fall in love with me then i'll dump you and leave you crying for eternity, just to prove an "i told you so" point.
Dont push it now

[Ergenekon]

Because they have always been muslim allies who want to expand their sharia low in Europe. Good Christian European peoples like Greeks, Serbs, Bulgarians stand in the way. It's not that hard to understand their attitude...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-0X5Lw6iCFZo/T76YVPLikPI/AAAAAAAAARw/XjfWytPYfEo/s1600/picard_WTF.jpg

[Azalea]

Because they have always been muslim allies who want to expand their sharia low in Europe. Good Christian European peoples like Greeks, Serbs, Bulgarians stand in the way. It's not that hard to understand their attitude...

Which Sharia law? :lol:

Both groups and countries are secular. It would've made more sence if you said that these groups wanted to expand their territory.

Anyway, I rarely follow the Albanian-Serbian related threads but while certain Turks in this forum seem to be more interested in Greeks/Greece than vice versa, my experience with Greek in these kind of forums overal is that it's the other way around. Also, for the people here who have an account at Anthroscape, who doesn't remember the '*Insert ethnicity* partially Hellenes' threads? There was a thread made about the Hellenic origin of Balkan/Anatolian/West Asian ethnicities almost every day. :confused:

[Flintlocke]

Albanians want the chickz, Turks are just dumb. :P

[shshmuk]

rashka dont make me mad callin us ugly everyother post. You gone force me to make you my girlfirend, make you fall in love with me then i'll dump you and leave you crying for eternity, just to prove an "i told you so" point.
Dont push it now

How cruel the Albanians are...

[kabeiros]

Which Sharia law? :lol:
Come on now, can't you take a joke? I know that there is not official sharia low in Turkey but I think that a lot of Turks would like that...Anyway it is a well known fact that Turkey is an ally with Muslims in the Balkans (like Albanians, Kossovars and Bosnians) and an enemy to all Christians here (like Greeks, Serbs etc.)

[Ergenekon]

Come on now, can't you take a joke? I know that there is not official sharia low in Turkey but I think that a lot of Turks would like that...Anyway it is a well known fact that Turkey is an ally with Muslims in the Balkans (like Albanians, Kossovars and Bosnians) and an enemy to all Christians here (like Greeks, Serbs etc.)

Yeah Turks and Albanians are creating threads about origin of Serbs, Croats and Bulgarians because they want Sharia law in Europe, cool story bro.

[Flintlocke]

Come on now, can't you take a joke? I know that there is not official sharia low in Turkey but I think that a lot of Turks would like that...Anyway it is a well known fact that Turkey is an ally with Muslims in the Balkans (like Albanians, Kossovars and Bosnians) and an enemy to all Christians here (like Greeks, Serbs etc.)

The only Muslims in Albania are some few hundreds that converted after communism fell and those goddamn Saudi funded organizations came in.

[Onur]

Come on now, can't you take a joke? I know that there is not official sharia low in Turkey but I think that a lot of Turks would like that...
You better look for your own Greek state about that. Your politicians doesn't even give an oath to the people but to the few big bearded child molesters. Your priests are into daily Greek politics, interfering everything in your social life.

You are already living in a sharia state of orthodoxy for centuries. This is how the ministries and presidents of Greece are able to start their duty. This is Greek parliament building in Athens;
6OGoFmGZBkc

Now, can you tell me who rules who? As far as i see, you are being ruled by the unelected, so-called divine and supreme beings (in reality, they are probably pedophiles)

You live in an undeveloped society ruled by freaks and their medieval mambo-jumbos and you come up here accusing 90 year old secular state of Turkey with sharia?

[Su]

I am really curious about above. Some good intentions may be? Some quality theories that everyone could learn something?

Or some second thought theories which irritate members of mentioned "origins". I would like to know, how they exactly want to really improve topics on this forum?

Every time I expect some serious debate, some serious theory...and on the end...nothing just well known anymosyties.

It is a little boring every time to see small forum wars, to pointed Balkan small forum wars (not just Yugoslavs but Macedonians, Greeks, Bulgarians, Albanians and now even Turks (from which I expected much more serious approach, obviously they failed).

I am soooo disappointed.

We got a few Turkish members, who do you mean with Turk members? I am a Turk and I didnt open up threads like these since they are boring. Is it just 1 Turk member or more than 1 ? I think you shouldnt generalize things since Turks like me, Orangepulp, Ashina etc. are not into opening up these sort of threads.

[shshmuk]

You better look for your own Greek state about that. Your politicians doesn't even give an oath to the people but to the few big bearded child molesters. Your priests are into daily Greek politics, interfering everything in your social life.

You are already living in a sharia state of orthodoxy for centuries. This is how the ministries and presidents of Greece are able to start their duty. This is Greek parliament building in Athens;
6OGoFmGZBkc

Now, can you tell me who rules who? As far as i see, you are being ruled by the unelected, so-called divine and supreme beings (in reality, they are probably pedophiles)

You live in an undeveloped society ruled by freaks and their medieval mambo-jumbos and you come up here accusing 90 year old secular state of Turkey with sharia?

Those clergy and the Church for the Greeks and some other Christian countries have the same role as the Queen of Great Britain has for her country. They exhibit more symbolic than real power.

[Ushtari]

Greek national dances and dress are copied from Turks and Albanians

[kabeiros]

You better look for your own Greek state about that. Your politicians doesn't even give an oath to the people but to the few big bearded child molesters. Your priests are into daily Greek politics, interfering everything in your social life.
How ignorant a Turk can be...if you think that priests control anything here you are hillarious. The fact is that Orthodoxy is an advanced religion which doesn't have sharia like lows and is totally uninfluential in Greek politics, unlike Islam wherever it is dominant. You don't see Greek women wearing burga in the streets neither is group raping a common Orthodox practice...unlike your super ''modern'' religion. As for the child molestures don't judge Orthodoxy by Catholic or Rabbinical standards, they have been the real child molestures. As for Islam I'm sure that you don't even learn it when one of your precious imams sexually assaults young boys and girls...and even if you do learn it you blame it on the kids who seduced the monsters.

[shshmuk]

Greek national dances and dress are copied from Turks and Albanians

If those dances and dresses are like the dances and dresses of other Turkic, Tataric and Mongolic people, then yes. But if not, you have to think that the contrary happened. Or those dances and dresses are regional mixed products.

[Thraex]

Greek national dances and dress are copied from Turks and Albanians

Yep, Albanian culture was rebranded as ancient Hellenic by these pseudohellenes. It's comical.

[safinator]

If those dances and dresses are like the dances and dresses of other Turkic, Tataric and Mongolic people, then yes. But if not, you have to think that the contrary happened. Or those dances and dresses are mixed products.
This is more the case with Armenians.

[Ergenekon]

How ignorant a Turk can be...if you think that priests control anything here you are hillarious. The fact is that Orthodoxy is an advanced religion which doesn't have sharia like lows and is totally uninfluential in Greek politics, unlike Islam wherever it is dominant. You don't see Greek women wearing burga in the streets neither is group raping a common Orthodox practice...unlike your super ''modern'' religion. As for the child molestures don't judge Orthodoxy by Catholic or Rabbinical standards, they have been the real child molestures. As for Islam I'm sure that you don't even learn it when one of your precious imams sexually assaults young boys and girls...and even if you do learn it you blame it on the kids who seduced the monsters.

You're asking him to not to confuse Catholic or Rabbinical standards with Orthodoxy while you're confusing Turkey with Saudi Arabia. How ignorant can you be...

[shshmuk]

This is more the case with Armenians.

Which one? My post includes three opinions.

[safinator]

Which one? My post includes three opinions.
Just trolling..

[Drawing-live]

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[Pallantides]

The pattern has tendency to repeat itself.

http://i.imgur.com/8AtQb.jpg

Haha so true.

[Grizzly]

How ignorant a Turk can be...if you think that priests control anything here you are hillarious. The fact is that Orthodoxy is an advanced religion which doesn't have sharia like lows and is totally uninfluential in Greek politics, unlike Islam wherever it is dominant. You don't see Greek women wearing burga in the streets neither is group raping a common Orthodox practice...unlike your super ''modern'' religion. As for the child molestures don't judge Orthodoxy by Catholic or Rabbinical standards, they have been the real child molestures. As for Islam I'm sure that you don't even learn it when one of your precious imams sexually assaults young boys and girls...and even if you do learn it you blame it on the kids who seduced the monsters.

Your the ignorant one here. First, you describe Albania and Turkey as some Islamic society like Pakistan where there a few civil liberties which is the exact opposite. Second, only peasants think Albanians are threat to Europe because some of them are Muslim. Is this the crusades again?

[kabeiros]

Your the ignorant one here. First, you describe Albania and Turkey as some Islamic society like Pakistan where there a few civil liberties which is the exact opposite. Second, only peasants think Albanians are threat to Europe because some of them are Muslim. Is this the crusades again?
If there are similar troubles with that era then similar defense strategy should be applied. There are at least 1,5 million illegal immigrants in Greece and many more in Europe who are mostly Muslims who came from fundamental countries like Afghanistan and Pakistan with the aid of Turkey...Albanians and Kossovars always buck up those fundamentalists because of their common religion and interests so it's normal for us to form alliances with other European Christian peoples to defend our selves...

[Azalea]

If those dances and dresses are like the dances and dresses of other Turkic, Tataric and Mongolic people, then yes. But if not, you have to think that the contrary happened. Or those dances and dresses are regional mixed products.

:lol:

So I can compare Armenian clothing and music with other Indo-European people and if they are not similar, then you can not claim them as Armenian?

[Ergenekon]

If there are similar troubles with that era then similar defense strategy should be applied. There are at least 1,5 million illegal immigrants in Greece and many more in Europe who are mostly Muslims who came from fundamental countries like Afghanistan and Pakistan with the aid of Turkey...Albanians and Kossovars always buck up those fundamentalists because of their common religion and interests so it's normal for us to form alliances with other European Christian peoples to defend our selves...

You're making too much religious bullshit up your mind. There's no such a Christian alliance in Balkans since the region is suffering so much from ethnic conflicts. And neither Albania, Kosovo nor Turkey help Afghans or Pakis to settle in Europe because they want to form a jihadist alliance against European Christians or something... They have nothing to do with them at all. Go try to convince ignorant fools with your non-sense. The only thing I can suggest you to is to stop watching too much Crusade films, because you're living in world of fantasy and today's reality is far from what you're saying.

[shshmuk]

:lol:

So I can compare Armenian clothing and music with other Indo-European people and if they are not similar, then you can not claim them as Armenian?


Ha! Very funny!
You have read my post, however you haven't understood what I have written there. Read more carefully, pls.

[Flintlocke]

If there are similar troubles with that era then similar defense strategy should be applied. There are at least 1,5 million illegal immigrants in Greece and many more in Europe who are mostly Muslims who came from fundamental countries like Afghanistan and Pakistan with the aid of Turkey...Albanians and Kossovars always buck up those fundamentalists because of their common religion and interests so it's normal for us to form alliances with other European Christian peoples to defend our selves...

There's no such thing as muslim or christian Albanian. There's only Albanian. When did Albo immigrants funded crazy ass jihadists anyway? Never.

[kabeiros]

And neither Albania, Kosovo nor Turkey help Afghans or Pakis to settle in Europe because they want to form a jihadist alliance against European Christians or something... They have nothing to do with them at all.
All those Pakis come through Turkey into Greece and your government does nothing to stop them...so I'm justified to believe that you help them come here with some plan into the back of your heads. I wonder what that plan is...
As for Albanians I'll have to clarify that a lot of them who migrated here were just normal people who were looking for a job but there are elements among them who have real anti-Greek mentality and are fierce supporters of everything against Greek interests. Do you deny the fact that Albania, Kossovo, Bosnia and Turkey are allies???

[Azalea]

All those Pakis come through Turkey into Greece and your government does nothing to stop them...so I'm justified to believe that you help them come here with some plan into the back of your heads. I wonder what that plan is...
As for Albanians I'll have to clarify that a lot of them who migrated here were just normal people who were looking for a job but there are elements among them who have real anti-Greek mentality and are fierce supporters of everything against Greek interests. Do you deny the fact that Albania, Kossovo, Bosnia and Turkey are allies???

Why would we? They are not our problem.

[Altay]

All those Pakis come through Turkey into Greece and your government does nothing to stop them...
What effort would Greece make to stop illegal immigrants leaving its borders for other EU states if they knew they wouldn't be obliged to accept them back?

[Ergenekon]

All those Pakis come through Turkey into Greece and your government does nothing to stop them...so I'm justified to believe that you help them come here with some plan into the back of your heads. I wonder what that plan is...
As for Albanians I'll have to clarify that a lot of them who migrated here were just normal people who were looking for a job but there are elements among them who have real anti-Greek mentality and are fierce supporters of everything against Greek interests. Do you deny the fact that Albania, Kossovo, Bosnia and Turkey are allies???

Turkey don't help any fugitives to into Greece. In fact we've been capturing many fugitives in recent years and most of them are either from East Asians (Myannmar mostly), Africans or Arabs. We sent them back regardless where they are from, yes including Pakis. Besides, as far as I know Greece already has harsh policies against illegal immigration on it's borders, and I don't think they can cross easy even if they weren't caught in Turkey.

And yes, there's no specific alliance between those countries.

[Grizzly]

Do you deny the fact that Albania, Kossovo, Bosnia and Turkey are allies???

Albanian and Kosova are allies as we are the same, Albanians. As for Bosnia most and almost all Albanians don't give a crap about them and we often view them as slavs. In fact I think it's the opposite of friendly for Bosnians. For Turkey we are basically neutral and we feel no ill will or bad will.

There is no islamic jihadist brotherhood forming in the Balkans lol. And why would we want a influx of third world muslims in Greece? Wouldn't that just leave less jobs for the Albanian immigrants as Paki's would work for far less cheaper? Wouldn't that create an increased anti-immigrant feeling in Greece? And many of the Albanian immigrants in Greece aren't muslim and alot are either Orthodox or simply atheist/agnostic.

Get your propaganda BS out of here

[Flintlocke]

And why would we want a influx of third world muslims in Greece? Wouldn't that just leave less jobs for the Albanian immigrants as Paki's would work for far less cheaper? Wouldn't that create an increased anti-immigrant feeling in Greece?


Sorry to tell you but this has already happened. Most of them don't have jobs, they deal drugs or eat street animals, dogs cats and pigeons, In an economic catastrophe they'd probably start eating people!

[Prengs]

Because they have always been muslim allies who want to expand their sharia low in Europe. Good Christian European peoples like Greeks, Serbs, Bulgarians stand in the way. It's not that hard to understand their attitude...

And why you dont include also Macedonians, aren't they Orthodox?, Currently the main enemy of you Greeks are "Macedonians" and ofcourse the fault of this problems are bad Jihad Islamic! :ohwell:

[Incal]

Because they are insecure about their own.

[safinator]

By the way this topic talks about Albaninans not about Albanians.
The OT isn't referring to us :cool:

[Midori]

And why you dont include also Macedonians, aren't they Orthodox?, Currently the main enemy of you Greeks are "Macedonians" and ofcourse the fault of this problems are bad Jihad Islamic! :ohwell:

We and Greeks aren't enemies. :)

[kabeiros]

And why you dont include also Macedonians, aren't they Orthodox?, Currently the main enemy of you Greeks are "Macedonians" and ofcourse the fault of this problems are bad Jihad Islamic! :ohwell:
Because your beloved Fyromians are their only allies from the Christian peoples of the area...I guess they think that ''my enemy's enemy is my friend''

[Gospodine]

Predominantly because of a hidden Neo-Ottoman agenda.

The Turks want to lay claim to the Balkans by searching for very vague or non-relevant ties in anything from last names, linguistic traces, toponymic traces, historical traces and genetic traces.

Everything Onur posts is geared towards proving that some Balkanians have Turkish ancestry, which by his severely deluded powers of deduction, means the Balkans belongs to Turkey.

The Albanians on here are rarely attempting to challenge another state's territorial integrity aside from the Kosovo issue.

They mainly debate over who has the most historical claim and attachment to the Balkans and Illyrian continuity theories.

I have more issue with Turks who see the Ottoman Empire through rose-tinted glasses and try and make out the Balkan people to be conniving, lying, murderous bastards.

They also seem to have some delusional, romanticized notions of Bosnians and Albanians as being their "blood brothers" and long-lost Ottoman kin, when in reality most Bosnians and Albanians couldn't give a shit to be frank and are tired of Turks emphasizing their links with the Balkans in order to appear more "European".

[Kertol]

Albanians became Muslim to preserve their ethnicity.

serbs preserved their religion but by doing so they mixed with turks

[morski]

Albanians became Muslim to preserve their ethnicity.

serbs preserved their religion but by doing so they mixed with turks

That doesn't make much sense.

[kabeiros]

Predominantly because of a hidden Neo-Ottoman agenda.

The Turks want to lay claim to the Balkans by searching for very vague or non-relevant ties in anything from last names, linguistic traces, toponymic traces, historical traces and genetic traces.

Everything Onur posts is geared towards proving that some Balkanians have Turkish ancestry, which by his severely deluded powers of deduction, means the Balkans belongs to Turkey.
Not only that but he uses this alleged Turkish ancestry as an offense...he sure has much respect for his people...

[kabeiros]

Albanians became Muslim to preserve their ethnicity.

serbs preserved their religion but by doing so they mixed with turks
So the Albanians became Muslims to keep themselves pure from Turkish influence while all other peoples of the Balkans who didn't, have huge amount of Turkish influence, although the marriage of a Muslim with a Christian was forbidden unless the Christian became Muslim, right???

[Viljuska]

Albanians became Muslim to preserve their ethnicity.

serbs preserved their religion but by doing so they mixed with turks

Says who?

[Ushtari]

Albanians became Muslim to preserve their ethnicity.

serbs preserved their religion but by doing so they mixed with turks
indeed, by converting to islam, turks left us alone, while serbs got turkish kebab everyday for not listening to their ruler

[Gospodine]

Ushtari does have a point.

Ottoman statesmen and Sultans took more Christian Balkan and Armenian brides than any other ethnic group.

Go look at the list of Osman Dynasty Sultans. Nearly every single one of them has a Greek/Armenian/South Slavic/Christian Albanian mother.

Ottoman harems were filled with young Christian Balkan women and their undisciplined Bashi-Bazouks had an obsession with raping Orthodox women.

Part of the reason why the Ottomans have such a horrible connotation in Serbian and Greek oral traditions and history.

Christians had less rights period. Those who were Muslims didn't pay tax, didn't have their kids sent into Devshirme (Janissaries) and were generally of a better social standing (many became military commanders, statesmen, sailors, viziers, etc.)

[Optimus]

^Albanians are the Jews of Europe,very sneaky people.

[morski]

Ushtari does have a point.

Ottoman statesmen and Sultans took more Christian Balkan and Armenian brides than any other ethnic group.

Go look at the list of Osman Dynasty Sultans. Nearly every single one of them has a Greek/Armenian/South Slavic/Christian Albanian mother.

Ottoman harems were filled with young Christian Balkan women and their undisciplined Bashi-Bazouks had an obsession with raping Orthodox women.

Part of the reason why the Ottomans have such a horrible connotation in Serbian oral traditions and history.

Christians had less rights period. Those who were Muslims didn't pay tax, didn't have their kids sent into Devshirme (Janissaries) and were generally of a better social standing (many became military commanders, statesmen, sailors, viziers, etc.)

That can only mean that the Turks themselves have a massive Balkan admix and not the other way around as suggested by yankeesfan.

[Midori]

That can only mean that the Turks themselves have a massive Balkan admix and not the other way around as suggested by yankeesfan.

This. In Ottoman times, Christian+Muslim=Muslim

[Gospodine]

That can only mean that the Turks themselves have a massive Balkan admix and not the other way around as suggested by yankeesfan.

That's what I've argued all along.

There are roughly 10-15 million people of Balkan descent in Turkey. Yet guys like Onur want to focus on the limited number of people in the Balkans with "Turkish" surnames.

[Gospodine]

See what I posted here for instance:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=985776&postcount=84
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=985160&postcount=66

And yet the "Turks" or people who self-identify as Turks in the Balkans still continue to live here largely without any trouble whatsoever.
They have political representation, free use of their language in schools/newspapers/radio, and live in ethnically-pure communities.

[Viljuska]

indeed, by converting to islam, turks left us alone, while serbs got turkish kebab everyday for not listening to their ruler
Just post som sources from your "scholars", like you always do :)

[kabeiros]

That's what I've argued all along.

There are roughly 10-15 million people of Balkan descent in Turkey. Yet guys like Onur want to focus on the limited number of people in the Balkans with "Turkish" surnames.
It's not only you. Every geneticist and historian would affirm the large native Anatolian, Balkanic and Caucasian origin of Turks but they will never admit it. They feel akin to Turanid and Mongoloid peoples although only a few of them have this traits (and they try to present Greeks and other Balkanians as partly Turanid, lol)

[Viljuska]

The Turks want to lay claim to the Balkans by searching for very vague or non-relevant ties in anything from last names, linguistic traces, toponymic traces, historical traces and genetic traces.
Neo-Ottoman agenda.. could be.
Balkan countries are weak, as always.
Turks are actually getting stronger and more powerful these days.
Right now it does not make sense, but maybe in the future Turks could try to gain influence in Balkans by force once again.
I wish we will all.. if that happens, and if necessary, use our last breath to kill as many of them as possible. But as long as they stick to Turkey, they don't bother me and I don't have a problem with Turks.

[Duskfall]

^Albanians are the Jews of Europe,very sneaky people.

My great grandfather was Orthodox Albanian from Dibra. Only ones who were sneaky here were you Fyromskis who tried to assimilate all Orthodox Albanians into your population.

Get a clue and learn some grammar you BulgaroAlboVlach.

[Midori]

you Fyromskis who tried to assimilate all Orthodox Albanians into your population.

Sounds like bullshit to me.

[Duskfall]

Sounds like bullshit to me.

Just had to google it up http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=5694

[Gospodine]

Neo-Ottoman agenda.. could be.


Or a pro-EU integration stance, in a vague attempt to present themselves as "European".

Whatever it is, it's universally seen in the Balkans as unwelcome and unwanted interference and influence, and the Turks keep bringing this sh*t up like we would consider changing our minds anyway.

Balkan people may hate each other to some degree, but no one seriously wants the Turks to have any influence over our politics.

I'm not anti-Turkish, but I am thoroughly anti-Pan-Turkism and Neo-Ottomanism.

The English ruled the world for 300 years and you don't see them trying to lay claim to India, Australia, America, Canada, South Africa, etc...

The Turks just do not want to let go of their Ottoman heritage.
Nationalist sentiment and historical revisionism is very strong in Turkey.

[Altay]

That can only mean that the Turks themselves have a massive Balkan admix and not the other way around as suggested by yankeesfan.
No, that doesn't mean anything as the Ottoman royal family consisted of extremely few people and what little they numbered were exiled at the beginning of the republican era in Turkey.


There are roughly 10-15 million people of Balkan descent in Turkey.
If you mean ethnically non-Turkish Balkan peoples, there is just no way. :lol:

Adults in Turkey identify themselves like this:


Turkish: 81,33%

Local Identity: 1,54%
- Manav; 0,59%
- Laz; 0,28%
- Turkmen; 0,24%
- Domestic regions; 0,22%
- Yörük; 0,18
- Anatolian Turkish tribes; 0,03%

Asian Turks: 0,08%
- Tatar; 0,04%
- Azeri; 0,03%
- Central Asian Turkic tribes; 0,01%

Of Caucasian descent: 0,27%
- Circassian; 0,19%
- Georgian; 0,08%
- Chechen; 0,004%

Of Balkan descent: 0,22%
- From Balkan countries; 0,12%
- Bosniak; 0,06%
- Turkish from Bulgaria; 0,04%

Immigrants: 0,40%
- "Muhacir"; 0,22%
- Balkan immigrants; 0,16%
- Regions in foreign countries; 0,02%

"Muslim Turkish": 1,02%
- Muslim; 0,58%
- Muslim Turkish; 0,44%

Alevi: 0,35%

General definitions: 0,36%
- From Turkey; 0,23%
- From the Earth; 0,12%
- Ottoman; 0,01%

Kurdish-Zaza: 9,02%
- Kurdish; 8,61%
- Zaza; 0,41%

Arab: 0,75%

Non-Muslims: 0,10%
- Armenian; 0,08%
- Greek; 0,01%
- Jewish; 0,004%
- Assyrian; 0,004%

Roma/Gypsies: 0,03%

From other countries: 0,05%
- European; 0,02%
- Asian; 0,01%
- Russian; 0,01%
- Iranian; 0,004%
- The Americas or Africa; 0,004%

Citizen of the Turkish Republic: 4,45%

[Midori]

Just had to google it up http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=5694

So, some Fyromskis have Albo ancestry? That's cool to know :D

[Optimus]

My great grandfather was Orthodox Albanian from Dibra. Only ones who were sneaky here were you Fyromskis who tried to assimilate all Orthodox Albanians into your population.

Get a clue and learn some grammar you BulgaroAlboVlach.

hehe people have right when they say the best defend is attacking which is what you are doing to mask out the context of topic and to avoid the feel of guilt.Albanians have assimilated a lot of Muslim Slavs/Macedonians not reverse.Your phenotype is a proof of it.;)

[Gospodine]

If you mean ethnically non-Turkish Balkan peoples, there is just no way. :lol:

No I mean Turks with parents and grandparents from the Balkans who have been Turkified.

There is a also a large amount of Turks with Armenian ancestry they have no idea about.

Of course they can't self-identify as Serbs, Greeks, Romanians or Bulgarians... they were forced to change their names when they came to Turkey and they're prohibited from speaking their native language.

Your "cousins" in the Balkans still speak Turkish and self-identify as Turks. They still have Turkish names (some Bulgarian ones were forced to change their names during the Bulgarian Communist era I will concede).

Tell me when was the last time you met a Turkish citizen that self-identified as anything other than a Turk?

[Duskfall]

hehe people have right when they say the best defend is attacking which is what you are doing to mask out the context of topic and to avoid the feel of guilt.Albanians have assimilated a lot of Muslim Slavs/Macedonians not reverse.Your phenotype is a proof of it.;)

I dont even look Slavic. You come with baseless facts.

[Viljuska]

Christians had less rights period. Those who were Muslims didn't pay tax, didn't have their kids sent into Devshirme (Janissaries) and were generally of a better social standing (many became military commanders, statesmen, sailors, viziers, etc.)
Those who were Muslims were the ones who forced the "raya" to pay taxes, and burned their houses if they didn't. Let's not make mistakes about this, those were local muslims of course. Back in those days, they called themselves "Turks", just like the christian population called them.

[dralos]

metal is albo,whoever wants to bother with that,feel my wrath you pussy optimus i'm gonna smack you till i get the albo out of you:D

[Optimus]

I dont even look Slavic. You come with baseless facts.

You are probably gonna say like the other delusional Alboz you have nothing to do with us but you guys have partial Slavic ancestry just like us.

Don't be ashamed of your Slavicness.:lol:

[Dilberth]

I dont even look Slavic. You come with baseless facts.

Nordids on Balkans mostly came with Slavs(apart of assimilation of different ethnicities that lived in Habsburg Monarchy,but that didn't happen in Albania).

[Altay]

No I mean Turks with parents and grandparents from the Balkans.
Then your statement was a bit too obvious, as the territorial portion Turkey has in the Balkans houses more population than any Balkan country besides Greece and Romania.


Of course they can't self-identify as Serbs, Greeks, Romanians or Bulgarians...
Yes, they can. Especially Greeks, who are a recognized minority. It's just that you inflate their numbers by a hundredfold.


they were forced to change their names when they came to Turkey
Some sort of standardization of names are always inevitable with immigrants.


they're prohibited from speaking their native language.
No, they weren't/aren't.


Tell me when was the last time you met a Turkish citizen that self-identified as anything other than a Turk?
Some of my best friends.

[Onur]

I see that little balkanites starting 3rd Balkan wars on the internet and trying to unite with their common anti-turkish propaganda.

Just go on, it`s funny to read your posts for a while :)

[Optimus]

I see that little balkanites starting 3rd Balkan wars on the internet and trying to unite with their common anti-turkish propaganda.

Just go on, it`s funny to read your posts for a while :)

Don't be ashamed like MetallWarrior my Macedonian compatriot.Embrace your truth roots.:cool:

[safinator]

Nordids in Balkans could very well be Offshots of Saxon Miners,Norman,Goths not Slavs really. Kosovo,North Albania have 6-7% of I1 + I2b :cool:
So most likely Germanic heritage :D

[Gospodine]

Those who were Muslims were the ones who forced the "raya" to pay taxes, and burned their houses if they didn't. Let's not make mistakes about this, those were local muslims of course. Back in those days, they called themselves "Turks", just like the christian population called them.

True to some degree, guys like Pasha Sokolovic were renowned for their cruelty.

My main point was, the Turks preferred taking Christian brides/concubines/slaves as opposed to Muslim ones, which they felt a moral aversion to.

Hence, the Balkan admixture in Turkey is far stronger on this account than vice versa, since the Christians couldn't marry Turks.

[Optimus]

Nordids in Balkans could very well be Offshots of Saxon Miners,Norman,Goths not Slavs really. Kosovo,North Albania have 6-7% of I1 + I2b :cool:
So most likely Germanic heritage :D

Yeah sure, dream on that you have partial Germanic ancestry if that makes you feel cool but it is irrelevant if you compare with the Slavic part.

Slava!:wink

[Ushtari]

Nordids in Balkans could very well be Offshots of Saxon Miners,Norman,Goths not Slavs really. Kosovo,North Albania have 6-7% of I1 + I2b :cool:
So most likely Germanic heritage :D
indeed, those ancient germanics even gave us the word for Trousers(alb: Tirq(Goth. þiubrokis)), i wonder how come :rolleyes:

[dralos]

Yes sure, dream on that you have partial Germanic ancestry which is irrelevant if you compare with the Slavic part.

Slava!:wink
get the fuck out with your slava:D
slavs are untermenschen,we'll keep ya under control we'll kick ya and we'll rule monkeydonia once again,when you die out:D

[Viljuska]

True to some degree, guys like Pasha Sokolovic were renowned for their cruelty.

My main point was, the Turks preferred taking Christian brides/concubines/slaves as opposed to Muslim ones, which they felt a moral aversion to.

Hence, the Balkan admixture in Turkey is far stronger on this account than vice versa, since the Christians couldn't marry Turks.
I agree, the Turks took Christian brides and there are lots of Balkan genes in Turkey. Many balkanites moved to Turkey when the empire collapsed also, today part of Turkish admixture.
But Ushtari said that Serbs are mixed with Turks, which is not the same thing.

[safinator]

Yeah sure, dream on that you have partial Germanic ancestry if that makes you feel cool but it is irrelevant if you compare with the Slavic part.

Slava!:wink
I'm not dreaming since i'm not a wannabe anything, just stating a fact.
And i'm not negating Slavic genetic influence(Minimal confronted to a lot of Albanians that lost their heritage) on Albos that was mainly limited to the South...

[Gospodine]

But Ushtari said that Serbs are mixed with Turks, which is not the same thing.

Turks don't cluster closely with people from the Balkans:
http://s48.radikal.ru/i119/0809/e0/7b4a5449dd3f.jpg

[dralos]

lol kosovalbanians cluster far from eevrybody:D

[safinator]

Turks don't cluster closely with people from the Balkans:
http://s48.radikal.ru/i119/0809/e0/7b4a5449dd3f.jpg
I hope they start doing serious Autosomal testing again cause Slovakia there can't be seen :D

[Midori]

Turks don't cluster closely with people from the Balkans:
http://s48.radikal.ru/i119/0809/e0/7b4a5449dd3f.jpg

So much for the ''Macedonians are Bulgarians'' bullshit. We cluster closer to Romanians than to Bulgarians :coffee: (probably because of Vlach admixture)

[Viljuska]

Turks don't cluster closely with people from the Balkans
I know, but Ushtari doesn't :)

[Viljuska]

So much for the ''Macedonians are Bulgarians'' bullshit. We cluster closer to Romanians than to Bulgarians :coffee: (probably because of Vlach admixture)
I'm sure some of you are closer to Bulgars, don't you think?

[dralos]

I know, but Ushtari doesn't :)
balkan people are turks,final

[Midori]

I'm sure some of you are closer to Bulgars, don't you think?

No I don't think we're closer to them than to our other neighbours.

[Gospodine]

So much for the ''Macedonians are Bulgarians'' bullshit. We cluster closer to Romanians than to Bulgarians :coffee: (probably because of Vlach admixture)

Actually it's because of the heavy Near-Eastern+Caucasian component in Bulgaria which is the highest in the Balkans aside from Greece:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AkbFGFGkvhh9dF9Va3ZpU3VnRVBTb1ZJckJBYWhGc mc&output=html

[Solin]

I hope they start doing serious Autosomal testing again cause Slovakia there can't be seen :D

There was only one man from Slovakia participating in a study and it seems he was very atypical or "mixed" Slovakian.

[dralos]

No I don't think we're closer to them than to our other neighbours.
we makis and you are just albanians we all know that

[morski]

I don't think

Don't be so harsh on yourself.

[safinator]

There was only one man from Slovakia participating in a study and it seems he was very atypical or "mixed" Slovakian.
Do you have the number of partecipants for each country?

[Solin]

Do you have the number of partecipants for each country?

No but it ranges from around 5 and above for each country

[Archduke]

So much for the ''Macedonians are Bulgarians'' bullshit. We cluster closer to Romanians than to Bulgarians :coffee: (probably because of Vlach admixture)

Romanians are our closest nation according to this fucking map, so again you failed. :D

[safinator]

No but it ranges from around 5 and above for each country
It's strange then why there was only one Slovakian.

[Solin]

It's strange then why there was only one Slovakian.

Because its just so

[dralos]

Romanians are our closest nation according to this fucking map, so again you failed. :D
and romanians are alboz in denial so you all are alboz,case closed:D

[Midori]

Romanians are our closest nation according to this fucking map, so again you failed. :D

We still cluster closer to them than to you, which is kinda strange considering we're neighbours. (If I were a participant the result would've been different though :D)

[Gospodine]

and romanians are alboz in denial so you all are alboz,case closed:D

Dude, you out-do the Serbs in your aim of Great Albania, lol. They stop at Croatia.

You guys stop at Ireland I think. Since Illyrians were apparently Hallstatt descended, and Hallstatts were Celts, so Irish = Albanians in denial, rofl.

[Mordid]

It's strange then why there was only one Slovakian.
and it is so strange that Slovakia is closer to Italy than Czech republic, since Slovaks and Czechs are supposed to be very similar.

[Flintlocke]

blah blah blah this topic sucks I already said it's for the chickz and you come up with sociopolitical theories. No more debates on this issue.

ena arxidi kai ena mydi kanane ton arximidi

game over