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SKYNET
06-22-2012, 07:45 PM
Maarulal (Highlanders)

The Caucasian Avars are one of several ethnic groups living in the Russian republic of Dagestan where they are the predominant group. The Avars reside in a region known as the North Caucasus, the northern section of a larger area between the Black and Caspian Seas.

Alongside the other ethnic groups in the North Caucasus region, the Caucasian Avars live in ancient villages located approximately 2,000 m above sea level and the Avar language spoken by the Caucasian Avars people belongs to the Northeast Caucasian language family (also known as Nakh–Dagestanian).

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SKYNET
06-22-2012, 07:46 PM
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SKYNET
06-22-2012, 07:48 PM
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Hurrem sultana
06-22-2012, 07:48 PM
they look balkan,the last guy i would bet on was from Balkan :D

SKYNET
06-22-2012, 07:49 PM
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SKYNET
06-22-2012, 07:50 PM
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SKYNET
06-22-2012, 07:52 PM
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SKYNET
06-22-2012, 07:53 PM
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SKYNET
06-22-2012, 07:55 PM
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SKYNET
06-22-2012, 07:57 PM
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SKYNET
06-22-2012, 07:59 PM
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Hurrem sultana
06-22-2012, 08:01 PM
i hate the male hair syle that seems to be modern in N.Caucasus :D

SKYNET
06-22-2012, 08:02 PM
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SKYNET
06-22-2012, 08:04 PM
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SKYNET
06-22-2012, 08:05 PM
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SKYNET
06-22-2012, 08:06 PM
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SKYNET
06-22-2012, 08:07 PM
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SKYNET
06-22-2012, 08:09 PM
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SKYNET
06-22-2012, 08:10 PM
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Rastko
06-22-2012, 08:10 PM
They seem pretty robust people.

I can see certain overlaps.

Onur
06-22-2012, 08:12 PM
These people are either all male or all female. They never hang out together in there? How strong is the islamic traditions among these people?

Btw i noticed that some pictures here are taken in Turkey.

SKYNET
06-22-2012, 08:12 PM
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SKYNET
06-22-2012, 08:14 PM
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SKYNET
06-22-2012, 08:15 PM
http://s53.radikal.ru/i139/1103/74/1411ec06262c.jpg
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http://s012.radikal.ru/i320/1105/67/0aee0a42eb6b.jpg

SKYNET
06-22-2012, 08:18 PM
These people are either all male or all female. They never hang out together in there? How strong is the islamic traditions among these people?

the law of the mountains plays an important role



Btw i noticed that some pictures here are taken in Turkey.


:confused:

SKYNET
06-22-2012, 08:19 PM
http://s011.radikal.ru/i315/1105/6f/c1ae8fef0f79.jpg
http://i001.radikal.ru/1105/a4/d2ba2fda21a9.jpg
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SKYNET
06-22-2012, 08:20 PM
http://i012.radikal.ru/1107/fd/4cdeed5cc6dc.jpg
http://s08.radikal.ru/i181/1107/6b/3bb02941b0ef.jpg
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http://s49.radikal.ru/i126/1108/0b/2c1918bcfea8.jpg

SKYNET
06-22-2012, 08:22 PM
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SKYNET
06-22-2012, 08:23 PM
http://i009.radikal.ru/1111/cb/e12db7bac9bc.jpg
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SKYNET
06-22-2012, 08:24 PM
http://s51.radikal.ru/i134/1201/2d/80621b436c14.jpg
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SKYNET
06-22-2012, 08:25 PM
http://s019.radikal.ru/i616/1204/b5/83505af946c3.jpg
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http://s019.radikal.ru/i639/1206/e1/61342e4ee52a.jpg

SKYNET
06-22-2012, 09:00 PM
the language


The literary language is based on the болмацӀ (bolmacʼ) — bo = "army" or "country", and macʼ = "language" — the common language used between speakers of different dialects and languages. The bolmacʼ in turn was mainly derived from the dialect of Khunzakh, the capital and cultural centre of the Avar region, with some influence from the southern dialects. Nowadays the literary language is influencing the dialects, levelling out their differences.

The most famous figure of modern Avar literature is Rasul Gamzatov (died November 3, 2003), the People's Poet of Dagestan. Translations of his works into Russian have gained him a wide audience all over the former Soviet Union.


Dialects


There are two main dialect groups: the northern, which includes Khunzakh, Kazbek, Gunib, Gumbet and others; and the southern, which includes Andalal, Gidatl', Antsukh, Charoda, Tlyarata, Cumada, Cunta and others.




Alfabet


А а Б б В в Г г Гъ гъ Гь гь ГI гI Д д
/a/ /b/ /w/ /ɡ/ /ʁ/ /h/ /ʕ/ /d/
Е е Ё ё Ж ж З з И и Й й К к Къ къ
/e/, /je/ /jo/ /ʒ/ /z/ /i/ /j/ /k/ /q͡χːʼ/
Кь кь КI кI КIкI кIкI Кк кк Л л М м Н н О о
/t͡ɬ’/ /k’/ /kːʼ/ /kː/ /l/ /m/ /n/ /o/
П п Р р С с Т т ТI тI У у Ф ф Х х
/p/ /r/ /s/ /t/ /t’/ /u/ /f/ /χ/
Хх хх Хъ хъ Хь хь ХI хI Ц ц Цц цц ЦI цI ЦIцI цIцI
/q͡χː/ /x/ /ħ/ /t͡s/ /t͡s’/
Ч ч ЧI чI ЧIчI чIчI Ш ш Щ щ Ъ ъ Ы ы Ь ь
/t͡ʃ/ /t͡ʃ’/ /ʃ/ /ʃː/ /ʔ/ /ɨ/
Э э Ю ю Я я
/e/ /ju/ /ja/



the language is horrible :blink: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMdQGRkn-M0

Hurrem sultana
06-22-2012, 09:07 PM
well i have heard worse languages(chinese,finnish,arabic :D)

Nabatea1
06-22-2012, 09:16 PM
http://s009.radikal.ru/i307/1108/7b/a63a117dd62f.jpg


This girl is almost the doppleganger of my fiance who is Adyghe

Han Cholo
01-03-2013, 06:34 AM
Interesting looks. I've noticed they're the only North Caucasians who don't use the cherkesska.

Are they Vainakhs? I moved the thread to anthropology.

Artek
01-04-2013, 09:56 AM
http://s009.radikal.ru/i307/1108/7b/a63a117dd62f.jpg
OMG, she is amazing:85563001::85563001:

Illancha
01-04-2013, 10:08 AM
Interesting looks. I've noticed they're the only North Caucasians who don't use the cherkesska.

Are they Vainakhs? I moved the thread to anthropology.
People of the North Caucasus are very similar, but no they're not Waynakh. If you're interested in knowing the exact make up of the Waynakhs read this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vainakh).
They do wear the Cherkesska. I don't know why WesternBoy didn't post a picture of the most famous Avar, Imam Shamil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imam_Shamil).

http://istanbulalti.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/imam-shamil.jpg

His sons.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/files/fp_uploaded_images/110218_1_1.JPG

All wearing Cherkesskas.

Han Cholo
01-04-2013, 10:18 AM
People of the North Caucasus are very similar, but no they're not Waynakh. If you're interested in knowing the exact make up of the Waynakhs read this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vainakh).
They do wear the Cherkesska. I don't know why WesternBoy didn't post a picture of the most famous Avar, Imam Shamil.

http://istanbulalti.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/imam-shamil.jpg

His sons.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-SZVUz_UAFc8/Tnq0-NX4iYI/AAAAAAAAAgM/jZzGvwFVT4o/s1600/images.jpg
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/files/fp_uploaded_images/110218_1_1.JPG

All wearing Cherkesskas.

I see. What's that animal fur dress some of them have? I notice a few of them have Karakuls. But is this fur dress some sort of more ancient clothing?
http://s002.radikal.ru/i197/1101/eb/2d0d789a614a.jpg



Some Georgians use different clothing as well:
http://www.avonbiehl.com/avb-lab/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/20120720_georgia_5D_21day_IMG_0645_FB1-290x290.jpg

But I imagine it's a bit different with South Caucasians.

Illancha
01-04-2013, 10:27 AM
I see. What's that animal fur dress some of them have? I notice a few of them have Karakuls. But is this fur dress some sort of more ancient clothing?
http://s002.radikal.ru/i197/1101/eb/2d0d789a614a.jpg

In Chechen it's called a wert. I didn't know what it is called elsewhere but it turns out it is confusingly named the burka (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burka_%28Caucasus%29).
Basically it's a large full body sleeveless covering made of treated felt wool. Worn to keep warm obviously, but it was used for multiple purposes such as keeping the horse warm while riding (when on horseback it drapes over the back of the horse), as a blanket and even building tents and shelters.

RussiaPrussia
01-04-2013, 10:34 AM
http://s019.radikal.ru/i616/1204/b5/83505af946c3.jpg
http://s45.radikal.ru/i107/1204/65/f180e5b566a7.jpg
http://s019.radikal.ru/i626/1204/a6/7e51a26f9d9d.jpg
http://s019.radikal.ru/i643/1204/df/bbff95ef2c3c.jpg
http://s019.radikal.ru/i607/1204/63/e4ba009295dd.jpg
http://s019.radikal.ru/i605/1204/c4/82154486f08b.jpg
http://s019.radikal.ru/i622/1204/7b/934f5b9add63.jpg
http://s009.radikal.ru/i309/1205/bf/dd3b015f143e.jpg
http://s019.radikal.ru/i618/1205/e6/421b197d0afe.jpg
http://s019.radikal.ru/i602/1205/a5/da42be378321.jpg
http://s019.radikal.ru/i639/1206/e1/61342e4ee52a.jpg

look how russian they look like, many russian blood

Žołnir
01-04-2013, 10:34 AM
It's interesting how they got name Avar. There were also Avars in pannonian basin; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasian_Avars

Altho it is theorised they were Turkic i think it's still fascinating these caucasians have same name. :)

Illancha
01-04-2013, 10:36 AM
look how russian they look like, many russian blood
Cool! If you're being serious, I guess you're the only one who sees it.

Illancha
01-04-2013, 10:43 AM
It's interesting how they got name Avar. There were also Avars in pannonian basin; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasian_Avars

Altho it is theorised they were Turkic i think it's still fascinating these caucasians have same name. :)
You have to consider that Caucasians (particulary North Caucasians) have remained isolated in the mountains for thousands of years. I think there being similar names is a coincidence.

Illancha
01-04-2013, 10:55 AM
Also I doubt that they call themselves Avar, I think it is the name Russia gave them.
For example in Chechnya we call ourselves Noxchi (pronounced Nokhchi) not Chechen as the rest of the world knows us. Chechens is the name that Russia gave us.

Sky earth
01-04-2013, 12:38 PM
Why are they named after a Turkic tribe?

sevruk
01-04-2013, 01:29 PM
Also I doubt that they call themselves Avar, I think it is the name Russia gave them.
For example in Chechnya we call ourselves Noxchi (pronounced Nokhchi) not Chechen as the rest of the world knows us. Chechens is the name that Russia gave us.
Lol, this name gave the neighboring Caucasian tribes, not Russian

Illancha
01-04-2013, 01:30 PM
Why are they named after a Turkic tribe?
Because Russia is ignorant about their history.


Lol, this name gave the neighboring Caucasian tribes, not Russian
No. Simple example: in Chechnya we call them Seeli not Avar.

RussiaPrussia
01-04-2013, 02:14 PM
Also I doubt that they call themselves Avar, I think it is the name Russia gave them.
For example in Chechnya we call ourselves Noxchi (pronounced Nokhchi) not Chechen as the rest of the world knows us. Chechens is the name that Russia gave us.

so what swedes gave also our name

Illancha
01-04-2013, 02:29 PM
so what swedes gave also our name
So nothing. I'm just explaining that it is unlikely that Eurasian and Caucasians Avars are related.

Blackout
01-04-2013, 08:42 PM
Beautiful scenery! Im ethnically a mountain / valley person myself! They seem like interesting people... :)

Demhat
01-04-2013, 09:17 PM
In Chechen it's called a wert. I didn't know what it is called elsewhere but it turns out it is confusingly named the burka (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burka_%28Caucasus%29).
Basically it's a large full body sleeveless covering made of treated felt wool. Worn to keep warm obviously, but it was used for multiple purposes such as keeping the horse warm while riding (when on horseback it drapes over the back of the horse), as a blanket and even building tents and shelters.


Its a shepherd/horseman clothing worn by pastors. Kurds do wear it also.

memobekes
01-04-2013, 09:25 PM
Many of them are round-headed like the Ossetians and less robust than the Chechens.

I can discern many elements like Mtebids/Kaukasids, Arrmenids (Asia Minor), Iranids (Caspian), Alpinoids, Eastmediterranids/Pontids (Mediterranean/Balkan), Norids, Nordids and Dinarids.

Overall, they look extremely N Caucasian.

But they could also fit into the Balkans, Anatolia, the S Caucasus and western Iran.

SKYNET
01-04-2013, 10:54 PM
all about the North Caucasian race you can find here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northcaucasian_race

interes
04-04-2014, 09:49 AM
Avars are not lighter people. Avars are very darkers.

Kalimtari
04-04-2014, 01:42 PM
good looking people, they can fit everywhere around Black Sea

interes
04-04-2014, 01:44 PM
good looking people, they can fit everywhere around Black Sea

No they like only North Caucasians

Kalimtari
04-04-2014, 01:55 PM
No they like only North Caucasians

you meant they look like? They can pass in the Balkans without even trying, too similar. Ukraine as well.

SKYNET
04-04-2014, 02:31 PM
Avars are not lighter people. Avars are very darkers.




please take off your sunglasses and look at the pictures properly

Kiyant
04-04-2014, 02:41 PM
please take off your sunglasses and look at the pictures properly

Are you an Avar? (or anyother caucasian ethnicy)

SKYNET
04-04-2014, 02:56 PM
Are you an Avar? (or anyother caucasian ethnicy)



Nope, I'm not, I only met a few of them, those Avars in Ukraine, Poland and Germany and also I've read and learned a lot of the nature and geography of Caucus mountains and history about the Caucasian indigenous tribes, as well. I know that I have Caucasian blood, it's something that makes me proud sometimes.
The similarity you can also hear from member Nabatea1, his ancestors came from that area

Kiyant
04-04-2014, 02:56 PM
Nope, I'm not, I only met a few of them, those Avars in Ukraine, Poland and Germany and also I've read and learned a lot of the nature and geography of Caucus mountains and history about the Caucasian indigenous tribes, as well. I know that I have Caucasian blood, it's something that makes me proud sometimes.
The similarity you can also hear from member Nabatea1, his ancestors came from that area

Nice since im also from the caucasus (Georgia to be exact)

RussiaPrussia
04-04-2014, 02:59 PM
highlanders heh?

Kiyant
04-04-2014, 03:01 PM
highlanders heh?

Pretty much all Caucasian are Highlanders (for example im also from there

interes
04-04-2014, 05:45 PM
please take off your sunglasses and look at the pictures properly

If Avars are lighters Gurians look like finnis .

SKYNET
04-04-2014, 05:51 PM
If Avars are lighters Gurians look like finnis .



https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1390/81/1390816108519.png

interes
04-04-2014, 06:00 PM
https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1390/81/1390816108519.png

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?115446-Gurians

interes
04-04-2014, 06:05 PM
Nice since im also from the caucasus (Georgia to be exact)

Qartuli ici? :)))

SKYNET
04-04-2014, 06:09 PM
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?115446-Gurians




you are still cherry-picking from the different sources on the internet, my dear Georgian. Could you please elaborate why are you so always obsessed with gingers or white-skinned individuals?

interes
04-04-2014, 06:14 PM
you are still cherry-picking from the different sources on the internet, my dear Georgian. Could you please elaborate why are you so always obsessed with gingers or white-skinned individuals?

No why see tis page https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002008548855&ref=ts&fref=ts

SKYNET
04-04-2014, 06:18 PM
No why see tis page https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002008548855&ref=ts&fref=ts



I'm waiting for your answer to my question

interes
04-04-2014, 06:22 PM
I'm waiting for your answer to my question

I like gingers

aherne
04-05-2014, 09:24 PM
Interesting. They are certainly lighter than Romanians. Look much like Nakh (Chechen/Ingush), with whom they are related (but with lesser Aryan influence)...However, as Chechens, they do include a minority of Near Eastern types that stick out like a sore thumb in Europe. In Balkans, I would say they resemble Albanians a lot. What do you guys think?

Chichic
04-05-2014, 09:32 PM
Mavlet Batirov

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/dailypix/2008/Aug/19/hawaii80819020AR_b.jpg

Kastrioti1443
04-05-2014, 09:32 PM
I swear I would confuse a lot of them for Albanians, especially Highlanders and Kosovar Albanian Villagers:

For example:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?119318-Classify-Pure-Descendants-of-Illyrians-(-thread-39)

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?45915-Kosovar-Albanians(Pictures)/page119

aherne
04-05-2014, 09:35 PM
These ones look pure Aryan:
http://s49.radikal.ru/i125/1108/3b/77735d259f64.jpg
http://s017.radikal.ru/i407/1110/7a/6962e8e0f91f.jpg (guy on left)
Avars and Chechens have neighbored Aryans for thousands of years. Despite having a strong society that frowned upon admixture, over time (as with kikes) Aryan influence accumulated, producing plenty of mixbreeds and even individuals that look wholesale Aryan.

Chichic
04-05-2014, 09:39 PM
I swear I would confuse a lot of them for Albanians, especially Highlanders and Kosovar Albanian Villagers:

For example:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?119318-Classify-Pure-Descendants-of-Illyrians-(-thread-39)

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?45915-Kosovar-Albanians(Pictures)/page119

Normally, Albanians don't look like the people from Dagestan!

Kastrioti1443
04-05-2014, 09:41 PM
Normally, Albanians don't look like the people from Dagestan!

Of course they don't, we are just discussing.

SKYNET
04-05-2014, 09:44 PM
Caucasians are warriors

interes
04-06-2014, 06:36 PM
Interesting. They are certainly lighter than Romanians. Look much like Nakh (Chechen/Ingush), with whom they are related (but with lesser Aryan influence)...However, as Chechens, they do include a minority of Near Eastern types that stick out like a sore thumb in Europe. In Balkans, I would say they resemble Albanians a lot. What do you guys think?

Lol? if you think Avars are lighter than Romanians , Georgians to have more Lighters than Romanians ,. Georgians are not darker than Avar people

Chichic
04-06-2014, 08:35 PM
Lol? if you think Avars are lighter than Romanians , Georgians to have more Lighters than Romanians ,. Georgians are not darker than Avar people

Avars are lighter than Georgians.

Kiyant
04-06-2014, 08:41 PM
I dont really think that anyone from the caucasus thinks about who is whiter........

SKYNET
04-06-2014, 08:49 PM
I dont really think that anyone from the caucasus thinks about who is whiter........




yeah, but you'll read many posts about whiteness only here in The Apricity in our daily life :lol:

Kiyant
04-06-2014, 08:53 PM
yeah, but you'll read many posts about whiteness only here in The Apricity in our daily life :lol:

One question do you consider people of non caucasian langauge groups who live in the caucasus as caucasians (Armenians/Ossetians/Balkars and my peeple the Ahiska)?

SKYNET
04-06-2014, 09:05 PM
One question do you consider people of non caucasian langauge groups who live in the caucasus as caucasians (Armenians/Ossetians/Balkars and my peeple the Ahiska)?



I certainly do, I could consider them as native Caucasians if it would concern only about the geographical issues, of course. As you know, those Caucasians are isolates and they have nothing in common with other groups living in the same region and following the same religion (However, most of them follow a pagan religion)

interes
04-06-2014, 10:05 PM
Avars are lighter than Georgians.

Much or bit?

Chichic
04-06-2014, 10:08 PM
Much!

interes
04-06-2014, 10:16 PM
Much!

And abkhazians ? are much lighter than Georgians?

interes
04-06-2014, 10:37 PM
Much!

And abkhazians ? are much lighter than Georgians?

blogen
04-06-2014, 10:39 PM
These ones look pure Aryan:
http://s49.radikal.ru/i125/1108/3b/77735d259f64.jpg
http://s017.radikal.ru/i407/1110/7a/6962e8e0f91f.jpg (guy on left)
Avars and Chechens have neighbored Aryans for thousands of years. Despite having a strong society that frowned upon admixture, over time (as with kikes) Aryan influence accumulated, producing plenty of mixbreeds and even individuals that look wholesale Aryan.

They are Eastern Dinarids, typical Middle Eastern/Caucasian stock.

interes
04-07-2014, 12:36 AM
Avars are lighter than Georgians.

I think Gurians are much lighter than Avar people in pics

Jaxman
04-07-2014, 12:43 AM
I dont really think that anyone from the caucasus thinks about who is whiter........

Exactly....Who really gives a fuck?

Jaxman
04-07-2014, 12:45 AM
Also I believe that the Avars are dominated by Y-DNA haplogroup J1* while their distant linguistic neighbours the Vainakhs (Chechens and Ingush) are dominated by Y-DNA haplogroup J2a-M67.

Chichic
05-22-2014, 01:13 AM
they look balkan,the last guy i would bet on was from Balkan :D

Avars have a typical Eurasian appearance and would definitely stand out in the Balkans.

Chichic
05-22-2014, 02:01 AM
I swear I would confuse a lot of them for Albanians, especially Highlanders and Kosovar Albanian Villagers:

For example:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?119318-Classify-Pure-Descendants-of-Illyrians-(-thread-39)

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?45915-Kosovar-Albanians(Pictures)/page119

I really laughed. Avars/Dagestanis are nowhere like Albanians or Southern Europeans.

Chichic
05-22-2014, 02:10 AM
Many of them are round-headed like the Ossetians and less robust than the Chechens.

I can discern many elements like Mtebids/Kaukasids, Arrmenids (Asia Minor), Iranids (Caspian), Alpinoids, Eastmediterranids/Pontids (Mediterranean/Balkan), Norids, Nordids and Dinarids.

Overall, they look extremely N Caucasian.

But they could also fit into the Balkans, Anatolia, the S Caucasus and western Iran.

Maybe some of them could pass in Georgia but certainly not in Anatolia or Iran.

random
05-22-2014, 03:12 AM
These ones look pure Aryan:
http://s49.radikal.ru/i125/1108/3b/77735d259f64.jpg
http://s017.radikal.ru/i407/1110/7a/6962e8e0f91f.jpg (guy on left)
Avars and Chechens have neighbored Aryans for thousands of years. Despite having a strong society that frowned upon admixture, over time (as with kikes) Aryan influence accumulated, producing plenty of mixbreeds and even individuals that look wholesale Aryan.

They don't even speak an indo-european language.

SKYNET
05-23-2014, 03:06 AM
They don't even speak an indo-european language.



but afro-americans can speak English very well

Chichic
05-23-2014, 10:43 AM
you meant they look like? They can pass in the Balkans without even trying, too similar. Ukraine as well.

Are you blind or what? These people could definitely not pass in Balkans or Ukraine.

interes
05-23-2014, 11:23 AM
I really laughed. Avars/Dagestanis are nowhere like Albanians or Southern Europeans.

Tehy look ossetians to me

Chichic
05-23-2014, 01:09 PM
Tehy look ossetians to me

No, they look like Chechens/South Russians.

interes
05-23-2014, 01:46 PM
No, they look like Chechens/South Russians.
OSsetians look south russians also

Chichic
05-23-2014, 03:45 PM
OSsetians look south russians also

Some do, but some look more like Balkars and Circassians who are way darker and as a whole a lot different from Chechens or Russians.

Wild North
11-15-2014, 12:49 PM
Bump.

There seem to be 2 kinds of Avars: 1. Eurasian Avars (in Central Europe, now extinct) and 2. Caucasian Avars (Caucasus). There was some mention here that these two may have been connected in ancient times, not impossible but not necessarily. A name may simply be overtaken by another group of people..

However this wiki article indicates, that there was a link between Caucasian and "Eurasian" Avars:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_Avars

As said not imposible, it is assumed that the first group of Avars made a stop in the Northern Caucasus on their way to Central Europe. But the former are believed to have been heavily mongoloid, which apparently is not the case with the latter.

Traumzeit
11-15-2014, 12:55 PM
Please answer on my thread

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?147634-How-does-the-Avar-language-sound-to-you

Cern
11-15-2014, 08:35 PM
They look balkanoid, this is neolithic relationships.

Wild North
11-15-2014, 08:44 PM
They look balkanoid, this is neolithic relationships.

They do. But do you believe they may be related to the Eurasian Avars that invaded Europe and settled to rule in Central Europe in the 500s?

Cern
11-15-2014, 08:51 PM
They do. But do you believe they may be related to the Eurasian Avars that invaded Europe and settled to rule in Central Europe in the 500s?

Nope. They descendants the neolithic farmers hence the similarity. Avars mostly mongoloid.

An Avar reconstruction.

http://kurultaj.hu/wp-content/uploads/a1-625x420.jpg

Wild North
11-15-2014, 08:56 PM
Nope. They descendants the neolithic farmers hence the similarity. Avars mostly mongoloid.

An Avar reconstruction.

http://kurultaj.hu/wp-content/uploads/a1-625x420.jpg

So it´s just a coincidence they happen to have the same name?

Illancha
11-15-2014, 11:34 PM
They do. But do you believe they may be related to the Eurasian Avars that invaded Europe and settled to rule in Central Europe in the 500s?
They are unrelated.

Nabatea1
11-17-2014, 07:42 PM
They do. But do you believe they may be related to the Eurasian Avars that invaded Europe and settled to rule in Central Europe in the 500s?

The Eurasian Avars were not from the Caucasus, they were a Turkic branch belonging to the Oghurs.

Sojourner
11-17-2014, 07:59 PM
Interesting. The pecentage of swarthy and non-Euro-looking Caucasians in Moscow and its surroundings seems to be much higher, but obviously not all of them are Avars, there are plenty of other ethnicities in the North Caucasus.

aherne
11-17-2014, 09:25 PM
Nope. They descendants the neolithic farmers hence the similarity. Avars mostly mongoloid.

An Avar reconstruction.

http://kurultaj.hu/wp-content/uploads/a1-625x420.jpg
Purest Turanid possible! Based on this skull alone, any other ancestry than Turkic should not be even considered.

Красавчик
11-17-2014, 10:35 PM
Interesting. The pecentage of swarthy and non-Euro-looking Caucasians in Moscow and its surroundings seems to be much higher, but obviously not all of them are Avars, there are plenty of other ethnicities in the North Caucasus.

I am sure that you are not even a Russian.

North Caucasians are never swarthy. They may often have pitch black hair, but they're as light as Russians.

blogen
11-17-2014, 10:39 PM
Purest Turanid possible! Based on this skull alone, any other ancestry than Turkic should not be even considered.

The guy in the reconstruction is a Baikal type Mongoloid and clearly not Turanid. Since this is the fact about the Kunbábony grave 1 person, based on the survey of his remains. The Baikal type, the Tungid and the North Mongoloid races were the most common Mongoloid subraces between the Avars.

Sojourner
11-17-2014, 10:40 PM
I am sure that you are not even a Russian.
You know nothing about me.

North Caucasians are never swarthy. They may often have pitch black hair, but they're as light as Russians.
There are a lot of Middle Eastern-like types among them. I'm not saying all of them are like that, but if they were all European-looking, nobody would call them "black". I personally don't use this terminology, but I understand why it exists. Again, I didn't say people I had seen were Avars, I don't know their exact ethnicity, but I do know they come from someplace in the Caucasus.

blogen
11-17-2014, 10:42 PM
So it´s just a coincidence they happen to have the same name?

Not the same name:

Eurasian Avars = uarhun
Caucasian Avars = avaral

Красавчик
11-17-2014, 10:51 PM
One question do you consider people of non caucasian langauge groups who live in the caucasus as caucasians (Armenians/Ossetians/Balkars and my peeple the Ahiska)?

Ossetians and Circassians are pretty similar to Chechens and Dagestanis in appearance.

They all share the same Eurasian look which is common in the North Caucasus, but everyone has an own nuance.

Balkars live in the North Caucasus too but they look strikingly different and are somewhat like mavericks.

Armenians and Azerbaijanis are even more different, far darker and more like Turks and Middle Easterners with a Caucasian influence.

Sojourner
11-17-2014, 10:57 PM
Armenians and Azerbaijanis are even more different, far darker and more like Turks and Middle Easterners with a Caucasian influence.
I think I often see Azerbaijanis.

http://6.firepic.org/6/images/2014-11/18/kv8vkr7bygjs.jpg (http://firepic.org/)
http://6.firepic.org/6/images/2014-11/18/p53afdzw6q5g.jpg (http://firepic.org/)
http://6.firepic.org/6/images/2014-11/18/2gkh545n56pr.jpg (http://firepic.org/)

Azerbaijani football team

http://6.firepic.org/6/images/2014-11/18/r31ik512kzul.jpg (http://firepic.org/)

altin
11-17-2014, 11:12 PM
They look Balkan because most of Balkan population has been brought in as slaves from south-west Asia north-east Africa during the times of Alexander and later.

Wild North
11-17-2014, 11:16 PM
Interesting. The pecentage of swarthy and non-Euro-looking Caucasians in Moscow and its surroundings seems to be much higher, but obviously not all of them are Avars, there are plenty of other ethnicities in the North Caucasus.

Are the Caucasians in Moscow, mostly from Dagestan?

Красавчик
11-17-2014, 11:18 PM
They look Balkan because most of Balkan population has been brought in as slaves from south-west Asia north-east Africa during the times of Alexander and later.

They don't look like people from the Balkan. Maybe you dream of something.

Красавчик
11-17-2014, 11:19 PM
Are the Caucasians in Moscow, mostly from Dagestan?

Most come from Chechnya and Dagestan.

Wild North
11-17-2014, 11:21 PM
Not the same name:

Eurasian Avars = uarhun
Caucasian Avars = avaral

Well in English, they have the same name. I don´t know but there are indications in some sources of a connection between these two.

Btw, where in Hungary is Kunabony?

altin
11-17-2014, 11:24 PM
They don't look like people from the Balkan. Maybe you dream of something.

Well, people do change over millenniums when they move from one region in another. As several members have observed, many of them can still pass in Balkan.

Sojourner
11-17-2014, 11:30 PM
Are the Caucasians in Moscow, mostly from Dagestan?
I think so. But Azerbaijanis (Az. Turks) are called Caucasians as well and they are quite numerous in Moscow and other big cities. Btw, there are Dagestani Azerbaijanis too. Derbent was historically their city.

Красавчик
11-17-2014, 11:35 PM
Well, people do change over millenniums when they move from one region in another. As several members have observed, many of them can still pass in Balkan.

Maybe some as atypical, but most of them couldn't fit in the Balkans.

They're rather like a more Caucasoid version of Afghans and would rather fit in Russia, Belarussia or Ukraine.

blogen
11-17-2014, 11:45 PM
Well in English, they have the same name. I don´t know but there are indications in some sources of a connection between these two.

Yes, but not in their language. For example the uarhun = vaːɾhun = vaarhoun in english


Btw, where in Hungary is Kunabony?

Here. (https://www.google.hu/maps/place/Kunb%C3%A1bony,+Kunszentmikl%C3%B3s,+6090/@47.0225125,19.220761,15z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x474226618eba04dd:0xa00c42b85758c 90)

altin
11-17-2014, 11:45 PM
Maybe some as atypical, but most of them couldn't fit in the Balkans.

They're rather like a more Caucasoid version of Afghans and would rather fit in Russia, Belarussia or Ukraine.

There's just on individual in that video. Take a look at people here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmB8om2p_RU

Красавчик
11-17-2014, 11:54 PM
There's just on individual in that video. Take a look at people here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmB8om2p_RU

Albos don't look like Caucasians.

SKYNET
11-18-2014, 01:00 AM
There's just on individual in that video. Take a look at people here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmB8om2p_RU




that background song sounds like arab-kurdish-turkish

Wild North
11-18-2014, 02:54 AM
I think so. But Azerbaijanis (Az. Turks) are called Caucasians as well and they are quite numerous in Moscow and other big cities. Btw, there are Dagestani Azerbaijanis too. Derbent was historically their city.

I think, Azerbaijanis, or Azeris, are only partly Caucasians. I mean there is the former Russian/Soviet Azerbaijan, what is commonly meant as Azerbaijan. And then there is the Iranian Azerbaijan (northern Iran). So historical Azerbaijan stretching from the Caucasus in the North down South to Iran. Both parts are populated by ethnic Azeris.
I´m not sure, but Azerbaijanis are maybe quite distinct from the northern Caucasian we now are Discussing.

For instance their music and culture, seems to be different:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OT6boLrGhlo

aherne
11-18-2014, 06:25 AM
The guy in the reconstruction is a Baikal type Mongoloid and clearly not Turanid. Since this is the fact about the Kunbábony grave 1 person, based on the survey of his remains. The Baikal type, the Tungid and the North Mongoloid races were the most common Mongoloid subraces between the Avars.

What's the difference between "Baikal type", "Tungid" and "North Mongoloid"? This guy does not resemble Buryats, who approach the Chinese:
https://www.google.ro/search?q=buryats&espv=2&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=IeNqVKWdFOrnywPgmYLgAg&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1745&bih=890

He does resemble Kazakhs:
http://cdn.vellance.com/beforethey/beforetheypassaway/media/images/Kazakh/K6.jpg



Although heterogeneous and polyglot, they likely spoke Oghuric, a language related to, but distinct from Turkic.[4][5][6][7]
...
Anthropological research has revealed few skeletons with Mongoloid-type features, although there was continuing cultural influence from the Eurasian nomadic steppe. The late Avar period shows more hybridization, resulting in higher frequencies of Euro-Mongoloids.[17] Mongoloid and Euro-Mongoloid types compose about one-third of the total population of the Avar graves of the eighth century.[18] According to Pál Lipták the early Avar anthropological material was almost exclusively Europoid in the 7th century, while grave-goods indicated Middle and Central Asian parallels.[19] On the other hand, cemeteries dated for the 8th century contained Mongoloid elements among others. He analysed population of the Danube-Tisza midland region in the Avar period and found that 80% of them showed Europoid characteristics.[19] The Turanid was most common Europoid (sic) type among the Avars graves.[20]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasian_Avars

Kipchak Hĺkan
11-24-2014, 07:40 PM
Not the same name:

Eurasian Avars = uarhun
Caucasian Avars = avaral

my tricky Sumerian comrade :D uarhun is written as VAR-HUN. It's the same name as Basque IBERIA btw.

Kipchak Hĺkan
11-24-2014, 08:02 PM
The guy in the reconstruction is a Baikal type Mongoloid and clearly not Turanid. Since this is the fact about the Kunbábony grave 1 person, based on the survey of his remains. The Baikal type, the Tungid and the North Mongoloid races were the most common Mongoloid subraces between the Avars.
Original Avars were Europoid + Europo-Mongoloid. Later Mongoloid character became strong. And Turanid was most common Europoid type among the Avars graves.

blogen
11-24-2014, 08:28 PM
Original Avars were Europoid + Europo-Mongoloid. Later Mongoloid character became strong. And Turanid was most common Europoid type among the Avars graves.

The original Avars were clear Mongoloids with a small Europo-Mongoloid element. The Europid and Europo-Mongoloid elements between the Avars were the assimilated Iranian, Slavonic and other elements from the Steppe and Eastern Europe, because the closest anthropological relatives of the Europid and Europo-Mongoloid clusters of the Avars were the Sarmatian elements of Eastern Europe and Kazahstan. So these Europid elements were not the carriers of the supposed Turkic language of the Avars.

source: Éry Kinga : Újabb összehasonlító statisztikai vizsgálatok a Kárpát-medence 6-12. századi népességeinek embertanához - A Veszprém Megyei Múzeumok Közleményei 16. (1982.) (http://epa.oszk.hu/01600/01610/00016/pdf/vmm_16_1982_05_ery.pdf)

ChechenBorz
11-24-2014, 08:28 PM
Avars and all other dagestanis were not originally from the Caucasus they were used by Chechens to work for us, most of them were run-away slaves or left their countries from the middle east or Asia. There are some mixed with Chechens. But most are all non-caucasian. They call themselves "Suliy" that means "My slave(s)" in Chechen. You can ask any Chechen if you do not believe that. It was a name giving by us to the slaves or lower people. My conclusion: Fuck those sandniggers!

Kipchak Hĺkan
11-24-2014, 08:36 PM
"Baikal type"
This:

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3053/2813052753_e1767f3efd_z.jpg?zz=1
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3119/2813221754_56a25c4aa3_z.jpg?zz=1
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3223/2813050521_950750b7d6_z.jpg?zz=1
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=51679&d=1414011047
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=51680&d=1414011482

mostly Evenks are of this type.

Kipchak Hĺkan
11-24-2014, 08:37 PM
Avars and all other dagestanis were not originally from the Caucasus they were used by Chechens to work for us, most of them were run-away slaves or left their countries from the middle east or Asia. There are some mixed with Chechens. But most are all non-caucasian. They call themselves "Suliy" that means "My slave(s)" in Chechen. You can ask any Chechen if you do not believe that. It was a name giving by us to the slaves or lower people. My conclusion: Fuck those sandniggers!
so you consider them as subhumans?

Kipchak Hĺkan
11-24-2014, 08:39 PM
The original Avars were clear Mongoloids with a small Europo-Mongoloid element. The Europid and Europo-Mongoloid elements between the Avars were the assimilated Iranian, Slavonic and other elements from the Steppe and Eastern Europe, because the closest anthropological relatives of the Europid and Europo-Mongoloid clusters of the Avars were the Sarmatian elements of Eastern Europe and Kazahstan. So these Europid elements were not the carriers of the supposed Turkic language of the Avars.

source: Éry Kinga : Újabb összehasonlító statisztikai vizsgálatok a Kárpát-medence 6-12. századi népességeinek embertanához - A Veszprém Megyei Múzeumok Közleményei 16. (1982.) (http://epa.oszk.hu/01600/01610/00016/pdf/vmm_16_1982_05_ery.pdf)
Tell me which Z93 mutation is Iranian :cool:

Dorian
11-24-2014, 08:41 PM
many albanoid-looking faces,no wonder why..

ChechenBorz
11-24-2014, 08:42 PM
so you consider them as subhumans?

I do not consider nobody subhuman and will never do anything to them because of what they are or what they believe, but if it means destroying and taking over the villages of my ancestors? fuck no. Their used to be 20 villages next to mine in the mountains but now 13 of them are inhabited by dagestanis who we in the summer always have to kick out. Oh yeah btw, why the fuck does your profile you are from Chechnya?

Kipchak Hĺkan
11-24-2014, 08:44 PM
Oh yeah btw, why the fuck does your profile you are from Chechnya?
because I love Chechens ;)

blogen
11-24-2014, 08:44 PM
mostly Evenks are of this type.

Yep, the real Avars. The closest anthropological analogy of the Avar elite between the living populations in Eurasia:

http://www.sulinet.hu/oroksegtar/data/muzeumok/Csongrad_megye/Muzeumi_kotetek/pages/studia_archaeologica/images/009_tanulmanyok_clip_image002_0000.jpg

This is the Evenki and Buryat populated lands. Buryats, the face of the original Avars:

http://transformsiberia.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/dsc_0076.jpg

Sojourner
11-24-2014, 08:44 PM
Avars and all other dagestanis were not originally from the Caucasus they were used by Chechens to work for us, most of them were run-away slaves or left their countries from the middle east or Asia. There are some mixed with Chechens. But most are all non-caucasian. They call themselves "Suliy" that means "My slave(s)" in Chechen. You can ask any Chechen if you do not believe that. It was a name giving by us to the slaves or lower people. My conclusion: Fuck those sandniggers!
Haha, very funny post.:D

blogen
11-24-2014, 08:45 PM
Tell me which Z93 mutation is Iranian :cool:

All of them.

ChechenBorz
11-24-2014, 08:46 PM
because I love Chechens ;)

You can love Chechens, be from Turkic Origin, be a Christian,Jew,Shiit Muslim(altho i hate all 3) i will never see you as subhuman. But just for the info, Chechens don't fire warning shots.

Illancha
11-24-2014, 08:54 PM
Avars and all other dagestanis were not originally from the Caucasus they were used by Chechens to work for us, most of them were run-away slaves or left their countries from the middle east or Asia. There are some mixed with Chechens. But most are all non-caucasian. They call themselves "Suliy" that means "My slave(s)" in Chechen. You can ask any Chechen if you do not believe that. It was a name giving by us to the slaves or lower people. My conclusion: Fuck those sandniggers!
Hun eh ca het har buh boc habarsh duyc? Dukh gen wol ho naggah, ca zim ozd hilch tel hun.

What you say is almost entirely false. Avars are actually indigenous people in the Caucasus, they've been inhabitants of the region and our neighbours for thousands of years. The name Suliy is not what they call themselves, it's what we call them and it is derived from the name of the river Suli around which they historically lived. "My slave" in Chechen is not Suliy, it is sa layi (сан лай).

My advice for you is to pipe it down a bit.

Kipchak Hĺkan
11-24-2014, 08:58 PM
All of them.
You must mean the Martian mutations then. mr. prof. dr. blogen. You were always good in misinterpreting sources for your own purposes.

Kipchak Hĺkan
11-24-2014, 09:01 PM
You can love Chechens, be from Turkic Origin, be a Christian,Jew,Shiit Muslim(altho i hate all 3) i will never see you as subhuman. But just for the info, Chechens don't fire warning shots.
Yes, I know, Chechens have fiery temperament, that's why I find them so cool :p

Sojourner
11-24-2014, 09:01 PM
...
Let me ask you. What is your knowledge of Chechen? I guess the language is mostly spoken, because it lacks terms for many modern concepts and things. If Chechens need to write or talk about something serious, they usually use Russian or other languages (in the diaspora).

Sojourner
11-24-2014, 09:03 PM
You can love Chechens, be from Turkic Origin, be a Christian,Jew,Shiit Muslim(altho i hate all 3)
What is your religion? Are you irreligious or do you follow pre-Muslim Chechen paganism?

ChechenBorz
11-24-2014, 09:10 PM
What is your religion? Are you irreligious or do you follow pre-Muslim Chechen paganism?

Some see me as Heathen others as Muslim

PuppyCute
11-24-2014, 09:14 PM
Some see me as Heathen others as Muslim

There is Chechen paganism? Interesting. Do you have some links?

ChechenBorz
11-24-2014, 09:16 PM
Hun eh ca het har buh boc habarsh duyc? Dukh gen wol ho naggah, ca zim ozd hilch tel hun.

What you say is almost entirely false. Avars are actually indigenous people in the Caucasus, they've been inhabitants of the region and our neighbours for thousands of years. The name Suliy is not what they call themselves, it's what we call them and it is derived from the name of the river Suli around which they historically lived. "My slave" in Chechen is not Suliy, it is sa layi (сан лай).

My advice for you is to pipe it down a bit.

As sun hetag duc i ah hun hetag duc. Suli is a river also yes, we named it that way because when the turkic dagestanis settled there, Chechens got their attention and you what happens next. No fucker enters Chechen territory but of course nowadays some of the Chechens are huge pussies who don't give a fuck about being Chechen or knowing anything about their ancestors. I respect you Illancha, i really do. But some opinions of mine are totally different from yours. oh yeah, ever heard of that Chechen tradition where we can't talk a language in front of others so they don't understand? Yeah, talk English so everyone can follow what we are talking about.

ChechenBorz
11-24-2014, 09:21 PM
There is Chechen paganism? Interesting. Do you have some links?

Haha i don't know about links on the internet but a lot of Chechen families most of the time pure Chechens follow paganism, most of Chechnya are muslim but follow some traditions and than you have a minority who are heathen(most are secret) They believe Odin came from the Chechen mountains to northern Europe. Our God of all Gods we call "Dela" that means "God" but some believe it is actually Odin. When vikings made their conquests in Europe lots of them came to the Caucasus to Chechen lands not to fight but to praise the mountains because they believe Asgard was there. I know it is interesting. Luckily where i live in Europe i know a lot of Pagans with whom i can share ideas and old stories :)

Illancha
11-24-2014, 09:36 PM
Let me ask you. What is your knowledge of Chechen? I guess the language is mostly spoken, because it lacks terms for many modern concepts and things. If Chechens need to write or talk about something serious, they usually use Russian or other languages (in the diaspora).
For Chechens of my age, my knowledge of the language is exceptionally good. I speak fluently at a high level without any need to pause and think about what I'm about to say and I never use loan words as my vocabulary is deep enough to know the older original Chechen words that have been replaced with foreign substitutes over time. The reason being that I was raised in a household and community that spoke purely in Chechen, my grandparents used to reprimand me whenever I used a foreign word and would not let it pass uncorrected. Obviously, my case is something of an exception for most Chechens nowadays, who struggle to form full coherent sentences in Chechen when discussing deeper topics. But, if you're a high level speaker then the only area you'll find wanting is technological, scientific and mathematical vocabulary.

Kipchak Hĺkan
11-24-2014, 09:37 PM
Yep, the real Avars. The closest anthropological analogy of the Avar elite between the living populations in Eurasia:

http://www.sulinet.hu/oroksegtar/data/muzeumok/Csongrad_megye/Muzeumi_kotetek/pages/studia_archaeologica/images/009_tanulmanyok_clip_image002_0000.jpg

This is the Evenki and Buryat populated lands. Buryats, the face of the original Avars:

http://transformsiberia.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/dsc_0076.jpg
= 80% Europid?

holy shit...

blogen
11-24-2014, 10:54 PM
= 80% Europid?
holy shit...

Old Turks in the Turkic homeland: almost zero Europid. Any Europid phenomenon between the Turks are not Turkic origin. And again: the Avar elite, the real Avars = Mongoloids. The Avar common peoples were various origin assimilated Iranian, Slavic, Finno-Ugrian (not Magyar!) elements from Central Asia and Eastern Europe (the Eastern European steppic and forest steppic populations and not the Europeans!)

Peter Nirsch
11-24-2014, 10:57 PM
They look like Turkish

Reptile
11-25-2014, 08:15 AM
Yep, the real Avars. The closest anthropological analogy of the Avar elite between the living populations in Eurasia:


They were Rouran Khaganate refugees kicked out by the rising Gokturks. The Gokturks told the Byzantines the Avars are actually "fugitive Scythians" so I would say the Avar ruling class was split 50-50 Mongoloid-Caucasoid with commoners being +75% Caucasoid. Whoever they were exactly, the Avars were first to bring Spangelhem style helmets into Europe, which was used by all Germanic tribes.

http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/k573/maurimy/hs20.gif~original

The prototype of this helmet is found in 0 A.D. Korea:

http://i.imgur.com/b3m3t4z.jpg

1st century B.C. Korean Armor:

http://i.imgur.com/MsyhssQ.jpg

Avar helmet:

http://i.imgur.com/rPtiFXQ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/59xUZKu.jpg

Kipchak Hĺkan
11-25-2014, 05:11 PM
Old Turks in the Turkic homeland: almost zero Europid. Any Europid phenomenon between the Turks are not Turkic origin. And again: the Avar elite, the real Avars = Mongoloids. The Avar common peoples were various origin assimilated Iranian, Slavic, Finno-Ugrian (not Magyar!) elements from Central Asia and Eastern Europe (the Eastern European steppic and forest steppic populations and not the Europeans!)
As always Martian, I can't read such unscientific delusional nonsense anymore.

blogen
11-25-2014, 05:42 PM
As always Martian, I can't read such unscientific delusional nonsense anymore.

Of course these anthropological results about the origin of the Avars are not panTurkist shit, but Hungarian science. Your reaction is typical. :D

http://freeradicalnetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Ostrich-man-head-in-sand.gif

Kipchak Hĺkan
11-25-2014, 06:11 PM
Of course these anthropological results about the origin of the Avars are not panTurkist shit, but Hungarian science. Your reaction is typical. :D

http://freeradicalnetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Ostrich-man-head-in-sand.gif
Yep, I understand, you mean the Hungarian anthropological science which clearly states that Avars were almost 80% Europoid and you have problems with interpreting your own sources? Not to mention your hardcore delusional "Z93 mutation" and "Old Turkic" statements :picard1: How do you explain Turkic P-M45 then? ... travelling back in time? :picard2: Science is one thing, but your illusory eurocentric opinion is another thing. Learn the difference, blogen.

blogen
11-25-2014, 07:30 PM
Yep, I understand, you mean the Hungarian anthropological science which clearly states that Avars were almost 80% Europoid and you have problems with interpreting your own sources?

This is your problem. The Avars in the Carpathian-basin. But not the original Avars! Since this was the fundamental statement of the survey: the absolute majority of the Avars in the Carpathian basin are Eastern European, Sarmatian and Finno-Ugric (not Magyar!) origin anthropologically, only the Avar elite was Mongoloid, but they were hardcore Mongoloids. That means: this Europidness is the non-Avar origin component between the Avars. Since the original Avars were not Eastern European origin peoples!

Kipchak Hĺkan
11-25-2014, 08:48 PM
This is your problem. The Avars in the Carpathian-basin. But not the original Avars! Since this was the fundamental statement of the survey: the absolute majority of the Avars in the Carpathian basin are Eastern European, Sarmatian and Finno-Ugric (not Magyar!) origin anthropologically, only the Avar elite was Mongoloid, but they were hardcore Mongoloids. That means: this Europidness is the non-Avar origin component between the Avars. Since the original Avars were not Eastern European origin peoples!
My problem is that 80% Europoid vs YOU. Get it?

blogen
11-25-2014, 08:53 PM
My problem is that 80% Europoid vs YOU. Get it?

Ok, the reality is not exist anymore for you, so any talk with you is meaningless. Bye!

Kipchak Hĺkan
11-25-2014, 08:55 PM
Ok, the reality is not exist anymore for you, so any talk with you is meaningless. Bye!
80% Europoid says rather bye to you.

Wild North
11-27-2014, 01:59 AM
There is Chechen paganism? Interesting. Do you have some links?

If you want to know more. Here´s a thread:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?48887-Similarity-of-Vainakh-Celtic-and-Baltic-Mythology