Caucasian Avars (people in south russia) [Archive] - The Apricity Forum: A European Cultural Community

SKYNET

06-22-2012, 06:45 PM

Maarulal (Highlanders)

The Caucasian Avars are one of several ethnic groups living in the Russian republic of Dagestan where they are the predominant group. The Avars reside in a region known as the North Caucasus, the northern section of a larger area between the Black and Caspian Seas.

Alongside the other ethnic groups in the North Caucasus region, the Caucasian Avars live in ancient villages located approximately 2,000 m above sea level and the Avar language spoken by the Caucasian Avars people belongs to the Northeast Caucasian language family (also known as Nakh–Dagestanian).

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SKYNET

06-22-2012, 06:46 PM

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SKYNET

06-22-2012, 06:48 PM

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Hurrem sultana

06-22-2012, 06:48 PM

they look balkan,the last guy i would bet on was from Balkan :D

SKYNET

06-22-2012, 06:49 PM

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SKYNET

06-22-2012, 06:50 PM

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SKYNET

06-22-2012, 06:52 PM

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SKYNET

06-22-2012, 06:53 PM

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SKYNET

06-22-2012, 06:55 PM

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SKYNET

06-22-2012, 06:57 PM

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SKYNET

06-22-2012, 06:59 PM

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Hurrem sultana

06-22-2012, 07:01 PM

i hate the male hair syle that seems to be modern in N.Caucasus :D

SKYNET

06-22-2012, 07:02 PM

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SKYNET

06-22-2012, 07:04 PM

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SKYNET

06-22-2012, 07:05 PM

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SKYNET

06-22-2012, 07:06 PM

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SKYNET

06-22-2012, 07:07 PM

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SKYNET

06-22-2012, 07:09 PM

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SKYNET

06-22-2012, 07:10 PM

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Rastko

06-22-2012, 07:10 PM

They seem pretty robust people.

I can see certain overlaps.

Onur

06-22-2012, 07:12 PM

These people are either all male or all female. They never hang out together in there? How strong is the islamic traditions among these people?

Btw i noticed that some pictures here are taken in Turkey.

SKYNET

06-22-2012, 07:12 PM

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SKYNET

06-22-2012, 07:14 PM

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SKYNET

06-22-2012, 07:15 PM

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SKYNET

06-22-2012, 07:18 PM

These people are either all male or all female. They never hang out together in there? How strong is the islamic traditions among these people?

the law of the mountains plays an important role

Btw i noticed that some pictures here are taken in Turkey.

:confused:

SKYNET

06-22-2012, 07:19 PM

http://s011.radikal.ru/i315/1105/6f/c1ae8fef0f79.jpg
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SKYNET

06-22-2012, 07:20 PM

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SKYNET

06-22-2012, 07:22 PM

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SKYNET

06-22-2012, 07:23 PM

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SKYNET

06-22-2012, 07:24 PM

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SKYNET

06-22-2012, 07:25 PM

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SKYNET

06-22-2012, 08:00 PM

the language

The literary language is based on the болмацӀ (bolmacʼ) — bo = "army" or "country", and macʼ = "language" — the common language used between speakers of different dialects and languages. The bolmacʼ in turn was mainly derived from the dialect of Khunzakh, the capital and cultural centre of the Avar region, with some influence from the southern dialects. Nowadays the literary language is influencing the dialects, levelling out their differences.

The most famous figure of modern Avar literature is Rasul Gamzatov (died November 3, 2003), the People's Poet of Dagestan. Translations of his works into Russian have gained him a wide audience all over the former Soviet Union.

Dialects

There are two main dialect groups: the northern, which includes Khunzakh, Kazbek, Gunib, Gumbet and others; and the southern, which includes Andalal, Gidatl', Antsukh, Charoda, Tlyarata, Cumada, Cunta and others.

Alfabet

А а Б б В в Г г Гъ гъ Гь гь ГI гI Д д
/a/ /b/ /w/ /ɡ/ /ʁ/ /h/ /ʕ/ /d/
Е е Ё ё Ж ж З з И и Й й К к Къ къ
/e/, /je/ /jo/ /ʒ/ /z/ /i/ /j/ /k/ /q͡χːʼ/
Кь кь КI кI КIкI кIкI Кк кк Л л М м Н н О о
/t͡ɬ’/ /k’/ /kːʼ/ /kː/ /l/ /m/ /n/ /o/
П п Р р С с Т т ТI тI У у Ф ф Х х
/p/ /r/ /s/ /t/ /t’/ /u/ /f/ /χ/
Хх хх Хъ хъ Хь хь ХI хI Ц ц Цц цц ЦI цI ЦIцI цIцI
/q͡χː/ /x/ /ħ/ /t͡s/ /t͡s’/
Ч ч ЧI чI ЧIчI чIчI Ш ш Щ щ Ъ ъ Ы ы Ь ь
/t͡ʃ/ /t͡ʃ’/ /ʃ/ /ʃː/ /ʔ/ /ɨ/
Э э Ю ю Я я
/e/ /ju/ /ja/

the language is horrible :blink: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMdQGRkn-M0

Hurrem sultana

06-22-2012, 08:07 PM

well i have heard worse languages(chinese,finnish,arabic :D)

StonyArabia

06-22-2012, 08:16 PM

http://s009.radikal.ru/i307/1108/7b/a63a117dd62f.jpg

This girl is almost the doppleganger of my fiance who is Adyghe

Han Cholo

01-03-2013, 05:34 AM

Interesting looks. I've noticed they're the only North Caucasians who don't use the cherkesska.

Are they Vainakhs? I moved the thread to anthropology.

Artek

01-04-2013, 08:56 AM

http://s009.radikal.ru/i307/1108/7b/a63a117dd62f.jpg
OMG, she is amazing:85563001::85563001:

Illancha

01-04-2013, 09:08 AM

Interesting looks. I've noticed they're the only North Caucasians who don't use the cherkesska.

Are they Vainakhs? I moved the thread to anthropology.
People of the North Caucasus are very similar, but no they're not Waynakh. If you're interested in knowing the exact make up of the Waynakhs read this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vainakh).
They do wear the Cherkesska. I don't know why WesternBoy didn't post a picture of the most famous Avar, Imam Shamil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imam_Shamil).

http://istanbulalti.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/imam-shamil.jpg

His sons.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/files/fp_uploaded_images/110218_1_1.JPG

All wearing Cherkesskas.

Han Cholo

01-04-2013, 09:18 AM

People of the North Caucasus are very similar, but no they're not Waynakh. If you're interested in knowing the exact make up of the Waynakhs read this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vainakh).
They do wear the Cherkesska. I don't know why WesternBoy didn't post a picture of the most famous Avar, Imam Shamil.

http://istanbulalti.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/imam-shamil.jpg

His sons.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-SZVUz_UAFc8/Tnq0-NX4iYI/AAAAAAAAAgM/jZzGvwFVT4o/s1600/images.jpg
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/files/fp_uploaded_images/110218_1_1.JPG

All wearing Cherkesskas.

I see. What's that animal fur dress some of them have? I notice a few of them have Karakuls. But is this fur dress some sort of more ancient clothing?
http://s002.radikal.ru/i197/1101/eb/2d0d789a614a.jpg

Some Georgians use different clothing as well:
http://www.avonbiehl.com/avb-lab/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/20120720_georgia_5D_21day_IMG_0645_FB1-290x290.jpg

But I imagine it's a bit different with South Caucasians.

Illancha

01-04-2013, 09:27 AM

I see. What's that animal fur dress some of them have? I notice a few of them have Karakuls. But is this fur dress some sort of more ancient clothing?
http://s002.radikal.ru/i197/1101/eb/2d0d789a614a.jpg

In Chechen it's called a wert. I didn't know what it is called elsewhere but it turns out it is confusingly named the burka (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burka_%28Caucasus%29).
Basically it's a large full body sleeveless covering made of treated felt wool. Worn to keep warm obviously, but it was used for multiple purposes such as keeping the horse warm while riding (when on horseback it drapes over the back of the horse), as a blanket and even building tents and shelters.

RussiaPrussia

01-04-2013, 09:34 AM

Žołnir

01-04-2013, 09:34 AM

Illancha

01-04-2013, 09:36 AM

look how russian they look like, many russian blood
Cool! If you're being serious, I guess you're the only one who sees it.

Illancha

01-04-2013, 09:43 AM

It's interesting how they got name Avar. There were also Avars in pannonian basin; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasian_Avars

Altho it is theorised they were Turkic i think it's still fascinating these caucasians have same name. :)
You have to consider that Caucasians (particulary North Caucasians) have remained isolated in the mountains for thousands of years. I think there being similar names is a coincidence.

Illancha

01-04-2013, 09:55 AM

Also I doubt that they call themselves Avar, I think it is the name Russia gave them.
For example in Chechnya we call ourselves Noxchi (pronounced Nokhchi) not Chechen as the rest of the world knows us. Chechens is the name that Russia gave us.

Sky earth

01-04-2013, 11:38 AM

Why are they named after a Turkic tribe?

sevruk

01-04-2013, 12:29 PM

Illancha

01-04-2013, 12:30 PM

Why are they named after a Turkic tribe?
Because Russia is ignorant about their history.

Lol, this name gave the neighboring Caucasian tribes, not Russian
No. Simple example: in Chechnya we call them Seeli not Avar.

RussiaPrussia

01-04-2013, 01:14 PM

Illancha

01-04-2013, 01:29 PM

so what swedes gave also our name
So nothing. I'm just explaining that it is unlikely that Eurasian and Caucasians Avars are related.

Blackout

01-04-2013, 07:42 PM

Beautiful scenery! Im ethnically a mountain / valley person myself! They seem like interesting people... :)

Demhat

01-04-2013, 08:17 PM

In Chechen it's called a wert. I didn't know what it is called elsewhere but it turns out it is confusingly named the burka (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burka_%28Caucasus%29).
Basically it's a large full body sleeveless covering made of treated felt wool. Worn to keep warm obviously, but it was used for multiple purposes such as keeping the horse warm while riding (when on horseback it drapes over the back of the horse), as a blanket and even building tents and shelters.

Its a shepherd/horseman clothing worn by pastors. Kurds do wear it also.

memobekes

01-04-2013, 08:25 PM

Many of them are round-headed like the Ossetians and less robust than the Chechens.

I can discern many elements like Mtebids/Kaukasids, Arrmenids (Asia Minor), Iranids (Caspian), Alpinoids, Eastmediterranids/Pontids (Mediterranean/Balkan), Norids, Nordids and Dinarids.

Overall, they look extremely N Caucasian.

But they could also fit into the Balkans, Anatolia, the S Caucasus and western Iran.

SKYNET

01-04-2013, 09:54 PM

all about the North Caucasian race you can find here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northcaucasian_race

interes

04-04-2014, 08:49 AM

Avars are not lighter people. Avars are very darkers.

Kalimtari

04-04-2014, 12:42 PM

good looking people, they can fit everywhere around Black Sea

interes

04-04-2014, 12:44 PM

good looking people, they can fit everywhere around Black Sea

No they like only North Caucasians

Kalimtari

04-04-2014, 12:55 PM

No they like only North Caucasians

you meant they look like? They can pass in the Balkans without even trying, too similar. Ukraine as well.

SKYNET

04-04-2014, 01:31 PM

Avars are not lighter people. Avars are very darkers.

please take off your sunglasses and look at the pictures properly

Kiyant

04-04-2014, 01:41 PM

please take off your sunglasses and look at the pictures properly

Are you an Avar? (or anyother caucasian ethnicy)

SKYNET

04-04-2014, 01:56 PM

Are you an Avar? (or anyother caucasian ethnicy)

Nope, I'm not, I only met a few of them, those Avars in Ukraine, Poland and Germany and also I've read and learned a lot of the nature and geography of Caucus mountains and history about the Caucasian indigenous tribes, as well. I know that I have Caucasian blood, it's something that makes me proud sometimes.
The similarity you can also hear from member Nabatea1, his ancestors came from that area

Kiyant

04-04-2014, 01:56 PM

Nope, I'm not, I only met a few of them, those Avars in Ukraine, Poland and Germany and also I've read and learned a lot of the nature and geography of Caucus mountains and history about the Caucasian indigenous tribes, as well. I know that I have Caucasian blood, it's something that makes me proud sometimes.
The similarity you can also hear from member Nabatea1, his ancestors came from that area

Nice since im also from the caucasus (Georgia to be exact)

RussiaPrussia

04-04-2014, 01:59 PM

highlanders heh?

Kiyant

04-04-2014, 02:01 PM

highlanders heh?

Pretty much all Caucasian are Highlanders (for example im also from there

interes

04-04-2014, 04:45 PM

please take off your sunglasses and look at the pictures properly

If Avars are lighters Gurians look like finnis .

SKYNET

04-04-2014, 04:51 PM

If Avars are lighters Gurians look like finnis .

https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1390/81/1390816108519.png

interes

04-04-2014, 05:00 PM

https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1390/81/1390816108519.png

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?115446-Gurians

interes

04-04-2014, 05:05 PM

Nice since im also from the caucasus (Georgia to be exact)

Qartuli ici? :)))

SKYNET

04-04-2014, 05:09 PM

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?115446-Gurians

you are still cherry-picking from the different sources on the internet, my dear Georgian. Could you please elaborate why are you so always obsessed with gingers or white-skinned individuals?

interes

04-04-2014, 05:14 PM

you are still cherry-picking from the different sources on the internet, my dear Georgian. Could you please elaborate why are you so always obsessed with gingers or white-skinned individuals?

No why see tis page https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002008548855&ref=ts&fref=ts

SKYNET

04-04-2014, 05:18 PM

No why see tis page https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002008548855&ref=ts&fref=ts

I'm waiting for your answer to my question

interes

04-04-2014, 05:22 PM

I'm waiting for your answer to my question

I like gingers

aherne

04-05-2014, 08:24 PM

Chichic

04-05-2014, 08:32 PM

Mavlet Batirov

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/dailypix/2008/Aug/19/hawaii80819020AR_b.jpg

Kastrioti1443

04-05-2014, 08:32 PM

aherne

04-05-2014, 08:35 PM

These ones look pure Aryan:
http://s49.radikal.ru/i125/1108/3b/77735d259f64.jpg
http://s017.radikal.ru/i407/1110/7a/6962e8e0f91f.jpg (guy on left)
Avars and Chechens have neighbored Aryans for thousands of years. Despite having a strong society that frowned upon admixture, over time (as with kikes) Aryan influence accumulated, producing plenty of mixbreeds and even individuals that look wholesale Aryan.

Chichic

04-05-2014, 08:39 PM

I swear I would confuse a lot of them for Albanians, especially Highlanders and Kosovar Albanian Villagers:

For example:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?119318-Classify-Pure-Descendants-of-Illyrians-(-thread-39)

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?45915-Kosovar-Albanians(Pictures)/page119

Normally, Albanians don't look like the people from Dagestan!

Kastrioti1443

04-05-2014, 08:41 PM

Normally, Albanians don't look like the people from Dagestan!

Of course they don't, we are just discussing.

SKYNET

04-05-2014, 08:44 PM

Caucasians are warriors

interes

04-06-2014, 05:36 PM

Interesting. They are certainly lighter than Romanians. Look much like Nakh (Chechen/Ingush), with whom they are related (but with lesser Aryan influence)...However, as Chechens, they do include a minority of Near Eastern types that stick out like a sore thumb in Europe. In Balkans, I would say they resemble Albanians a lot. What do you guys think?

Lol? if you think Avars are lighter than Romanians , Georgians to have more Lighters than Romanians ,. Georgians are not darker than Avar people

Chichic

04-06-2014, 07:35 PM

Lol? if you think Avars are lighter than Romanians , Georgians to have more Lighters than Romanians ,. Georgians are not darker than Avar people

Avars are lighter than Georgians.

Kiyant

04-06-2014, 07:41 PM

I dont really think that anyone from the caucasus thinks about who is whiter........

SKYNET

04-06-2014, 07:49 PM

I dont really think that anyone from the caucasus thinks about who is whiter........

yeah, but you'll read many posts about whiteness only here in The Apricity in our daily life :lol:

Kiyant

04-06-2014, 07:53 PM

yeah, but you'll read many posts about whiteness only here in The Apricity in our daily life :lol:

One question do you consider people of non caucasian langauge groups who live in the caucasus as caucasians (Armenians/Ossetians/Balkars and my peeple the Ahiska)?

SKYNET

04-06-2014, 08:05 PM

One question do you consider people of non caucasian langauge groups who live in the caucasus as caucasians (Armenians/Ossetians/Balkars and my peeple the Ahiska)?

I certainly do, I could consider them as native Caucasians if it would concern only about the geographical issues, of course. As you know, those Caucasians are isolates and they have nothing in common with other groups living in the same region and following the same religion (However, most of them follow a pagan religion)

interes

04-06-2014, 09:05 PM

Avars are lighter than Georgians.

Much or bit?

Chichic

04-06-2014, 09:08 PM

Much!

interes

04-06-2014, 09:16 PM

Much!

And abkhazians ? are much lighter than Georgians?

interes

04-06-2014, 09:37 PM

Much!

And abkhazians ? are much lighter than Georgians?

blogen

04-06-2014, 09:39 PM

interes

04-06-2014, 11:36 PM

Avars are lighter than Georgians.

I think Gurians are much lighter than Avar people in pics

Black Wolf

04-06-2014, 11:43 PM

I dont really think that anyone from the caucasus thinks about who is whiter........

Exactly....Who really gives a fuck?

Black Wolf

04-06-2014, 11:45 PM

Also I believe that the Avars are dominated by Y-DNA haplogroup J1* while their distant linguistic neighbours the Vainakhs (Chechens and Ingush) are dominated by Y-DNA haplogroup J2a-M67.

Chichic

05-22-2014, 12:13 AM

they look balkan,the last guy i would bet on was from Balkan :D

Avars have a typical Eurasian appearance and would definitely stand out in the Balkans.

Chichic

05-22-2014, 01:01 AM

I swear I would confuse a lot of them for Albanians, especially Highlanders and Kosovar Albanian Villagers:

For example:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?119318-Classify-Pure-Descendants-of-Illyrians-(-thread-39)

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?45915-Kosovar-Albanians(Pictures)/page119

I really laughed. Avars/Dagestanis are nowhere like Albanians or Southern Europeans.

Chichic

05-22-2014, 01:10 AM

random

05-22-2014, 02:12 AM

SKYNET

05-23-2014, 02:06 AM

They don't even speak an indo-european language.

but afro-americans can speak English very well

Chichic

05-23-2014, 09:43 AM

you meant they look like? They can pass in the Balkans without even trying, too similar. Ukraine as well.

Are you blind or what? These people could definitely not pass in Balkans or Ukraine.

interes

05-23-2014, 10:23 AM

I really laughed. Avars/Dagestanis are nowhere like Albanians or Southern Europeans.

Tehy look ossetians to me

Chichic

05-23-2014, 12:09 PM

Tehy look ossetians to me

No, they look like Chechens/South Russians.

interes

05-23-2014, 12:46 PM

No, they look like Chechens/South Russians.
OSsetians look south russians also

Chichic

05-23-2014, 02:45 PM

OSsetians look south russians also

Some do, but some look more like Balkars and Circassians who are way darker and as a whole a lot different from Chechens or Russians.

Wild North

11-15-2014, 11:49 AM

Bump.

There seem to be 2 kinds of Avars: 1. Eurasian Avars (in Central Europe, now extinct) and 2. Caucasian Avars (Caucasus). There was some mention here that these two may have been connected in ancient times, not impossible but not necessarily. A name may simply be overtaken by another group of people..

However this wiki article indicates, that there was a link between Caucasian and "Eurasian" Avars:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_Avars

As said not imposible, it is assumed that the first group of Avars made a stop in the Northern Caucasus on their way to Central Europe. But the former are believed to have been heavily mongoloid, which apparently is not the case with the latter.

Paluga

11-15-2014, 11:55 AM

Please answer on my thread

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?147634-How-does-the-Avar-language-sound-to-you

Cern

11-15-2014, 07:35 PM

They look balkanoid, this is neolithic relationships.

Wild North

11-15-2014, 07:44 PM

They look balkanoid, this is neolithic relationships.

They do. But do you believe they may be related to the Eurasian Avars that invaded Europe and settled to rule in Central Europe in the 500s?

Cern

11-15-2014, 07:51 PM

They do. But do you believe they may be related to the Eurasian Avars that invaded Europe and settled to rule in Central Europe in the 500s?

Nope. They descendants the neolithic farmers hence the similarity. Avars mostly mongoloid.

An Avar reconstruction.

http://kurultaj.hu/wp-content/uploads/a1-625x420.jpg

Wild North

11-15-2014, 07:56 PM

Nope. They descendants the neolithic farmers hence the similarity. Avars mostly mongoloid.

An Avar reconstruction.

http://kurultaj.hu/wp-content/uploads/a1-625x420.jpg

So it´s just a coincidence they happen to have the same name?

Illancha

11-15-2014, 10:34 PM

They do. But do you believe they may be related to the Eurasian Avars that invaded Europe and settled to rule in Central Europe in the 500s?
They are unrelated.

StonyArabia

11-17-2014, 06:42 PM

They do. But do you believe they may be related to the Eurasian Avars that invaded Europe and settled to rule in Central Europe in the 500s?

The Eurasian Avars were not from the Caucasus, they were a Turkic branch belonging to the Oghurs.

Leto

11-17-2014, 06:59 PM

aherne

11-17-2014, 08:25 PM

Nope. They descendants the neolithic farmers hence the similarity. Avars mostly mongoloid.

An Avar reconstruction.

http://kurultaj.hu/wp-content/uploads/a1-625x420.jpg
Purest Turanid possible! Based on this skull alone, any other ancestry than Turkic should not be even considered.

Красавчик

11-17-2014, 09:35 PM

Interesting. The pecentage of swarthy and non-Euro-looking Caucasians in Moscow and its surroundings seems to be much higher, but obviously not all of them are Avars, there are plenty of other ethnicities in the North Caucasus.

I am sure that you are not even a Russian.

North Caucasians are never swarthy. They may often have pitch black hair, but they're as light as Russians.

blogen

11-17-2014, 09:39 PM

Purest Turanid possible! Based on this skull alone, any other ancestry than Turkic should not be even considered.

The guy in the reconstruction is a Baikal type Mongoloid and clearly not Turanid. Since this is the fact about the Kunbábony grave 1 person, based on the survey of his remains. The Baikal type, the Tungid and the North Mongoloid races were the most common Mongoloid subraces between the Avars.

Leto

11-17-2014, 09:40 PM

I am sure that you are not even a Russian.
You know nothing about me.

North Caucasians are never swarthy. They may often have pitch black hair, but they're as light as Russians.
There are a lot of Middle Eastern-like types among them. I'm not saying all of them are like that, but if they were all European-looking, nobody would call them "black". I personally don't use this terminology, but I understand why it exists. Again, I didn't say people I had seen were Avars, I don't know their exact ethnicity, but I do know they come from someplace in the Caucasus.

blogen

11-17-2014, 09:42 PM

So it´s just a coincidence they happen to have the same name?

Not the same name:

Eurasian Avars = uarhun
Caucasian Avars = avaral

Красавчик

11-17-2014, 09:51 PM

One question do you consider people of non caucasian langauge groups who live in the caucasus as caucasians (Armenians/Ossetians/Balkars and my peeple the Ahiska)?

Ossetians and Circassians are pretty similar to Chechens and Dagestanis in appearance.

They all share the same Eurasian look which is common in the North Caucasus, but everyone has an own nuance.

Balkars live in the North Caucasus too but they look strikingly different and are somewhat like mavericks.

Armenians and Azerbaijanis are even more different, far darker and more like Turks and Middle Easterners with a Caucasian influence.

Leto

11-17-2014, 09:57 PM

Armenians and Azerbaijanis are even more different, far darker and more like Turks and Middle Easterners with a Caucasian influence.
I think I often see Azerbaijanis.

http://6.firepic.org/6/images/2014-11/18/kv8vkr7bygjs.jpg (http://firepic.org/)
http://6.firepic.org/6/images/2014-11/18/p53afdzw6q5g.jpg (http://firepic.org/)
http://6.firepic.org/6/images/2014-11/18/2gkh545n56pr.jpg (http://firepic.org/)

Azerbaijani football team

http://6.firepic.org/6/images/2014-11/18/r31ik512kzul.jpg (http://firepic.org/)

altin

11-17-2014, 10:12 PM

They look Balkan because most of Balkan population has been brought in as slaves from south-west Asia north-east Africa during the times of Alexander and later.

Wild North

11-17-2014, 10:16 PM

Interesting. The pecentage of swarthy and non-Euro-looking Caucasians in Moscow and its surroundings seems to be much higher, but obviously not all of them are Avars, there are plenty of other ethnicities in the North Caucasus.

Are the Caucasians in Moscow, mostly from Dagestan?

Красавчик

11-17-2014, 10:18 PM

They look Balkan because most of Balkan population has been brought in as slaves from south-west Asia north-east Africa during the times of Alexander and later.

They don't look like people from the Balkan. Maybe you dream of something.

Красавчик

11-17-2014, 10:19 PM

Are the Caucasians in Moscow, mostly from Dagestan?

Most come from Chechnya and Dagestan.

Wild North

11-17-2014, 10:21 PM

Not the same name:

Eurasian Avars = uarhun
Caucasian Avars = avaral

Well in English, they have the same name. I don´t know but there are indications in some sources of a connection between these two.

Btw, where in Hungary is Kunabony?

altin

11-17-2014, 10:24 PM

They don't look like people from the Balkan. Maybe you dream of something.

Well, people do change over millenniums when they move from one region in another. As several members have observed, many of them can still pass in Balkan.

Leto

11-17-2014, 10:30 PM

Are the Caucasians in Moscow, mostly from Dagestan?
I think so. But Azerbaijanis (Az. Turks) are called Caucasians as well and they are quite numerous in Moscow and other big cities. Btw, there are Dagestani Azerbaijanis too. Derbent was historically their city.

Красавчик

11-17-2014, 10:35 PM

Well, people do change over millenniums when they move from one region in another. As several members have observed, many of them can still pass in Balkan.

Maybe some as atypical, but most of them couldn't fit in the Balkans.

They're rather like a more Caucasoid version of Afghans and would rather fit in Russia, Belarussia or Ukraine.

blogen

11-17-2014, 10:45 PM

Well in English, they have the same name. I don´t know but there are indications in some sources of a connection between these two.

Yes, but not in their language. For example the uarhun = vaːɾhun = vaarhoun in english

Btw, where in Hungary is Kunabony?

Here. (https://www.google.hu/maps/place/Kunb%C3%A1bony,+Kunszentmikl%C3%B3s,+6090/@47.0225125,19.220761,15z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x474226618eba04dd:0xa00c42b85758c 90)

altin

11-17-2014, 10:45 PM

Maybe some as atypical, but most of them couldn't fit in the Balkans.

They're rather like a more Caucasoid version of Afghans and would rather fit in Russia, Belarussia or Ukraine.

There's just on individual in that video. Take a look at people here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmB8om2p_RU

Красавчик

11-17-2014, 10:54 PM

There's just on individual in that video. Take a look at people here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmB8om2p_RU

Albos don't look like Caucasians.

SKYNET

11-18-2014, 12:00 AM

There's just on individual in that video. Take a look at people here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmB8om2p_RU

that background song sounds like arab-kurdish-turkish

Wild North

11-18-2014, 01:54 AM

I think so. But Azerbaijanis (Az. Turks) are called Caucasians as well and they are quite numerous in Moscow and other big cities. Btw, there are Dagestani Azerbaijanis too. Derbent was historically their city.

I think, Azerbaijanis, or Azeris, are only partly Caucasians. I mean there is the former Russian/Soviet Azerbaijan, what is commonly meant as Azerbaijan. And then there is the Iranian Azerbaijan (northern Iran). So historical Azerbaijan stretching from the Caucasus in the North down South to Iran. Both parts are populated by ethnic Azeris.
I´m not sure, but Azerbaijanis are maybe quite distinct from the northern Caucasian we now are Discussing.

For instance their music and culture, seems to be different:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OT6boLrGhlo

aherne

11-18-2014, 05:25 AM

The guy in the reconstruction is a Baikal type Mongoloid and clearly not Turanid. Since this is the fact about the Kunbábony grave 1 person, based on the survey of his remains. The Baikal type, the Tungid and the North Mongoloid races were the most common Mongoloid subraces between the Avars.

What's the difference between "Baikal type", "Tungid" and "North Mongoloid"? This guy does not resemble Buryats, who approach the Chinese:
https://www.google.ro/search?q=buryats&espv=2&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=IeNqVKWdFOrnywPgmYLgAg&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1745&bih=890

He does resemble Kazakhs:
http://cdn.vellance.com/beforethey/beforetheypassaway/media/images/Kazakh/K6.jpg

Although heterogeneous and polyglot, they likely spoke Oghuric, a language related to, but distinct from Turkic.[4][5][6][7]
...
Anthropological research has revealed few skeletons with Mongoloid-type features, although there was continuing cultural influence from the Eurasian nomadic steppe. The late Avar period shows more hybridization, resulting in higher frequencies of Euro-Mongoloids.[17] Mongoloid and Euro-Mongoloid types compose about one-third of the total population of the Avar graves of the eighth century.[18] According to Pál Lipták the early Avar anthropological material was almost exclusively Europoid in the 7th century, while grave-goods indicated Middle and Central Asian parallels.[19] On the other hand, cemeteries dated for the 8th century contained Mongoloid elements among others. He analysed population of the Danube-Tisza midland region in the Avar period and found that 80% of them showed Europoid characteristics.[19] The Turanid was most common Europoid (sic) type among the Avars graves.[20]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasian_Avars

Proto-Shaman

11-24-2014, 06:40 PM

Not the same name:

Eurasian Avars = uarhun
Caucasian Avars = avaral

my tricky Sumerian comrade :D uarhun is written as VAR-HUN. It's the same name as Basque IBERIA btw.

Proto-Shaman

11-24-2014, 07:02 PM

blogen

11-24-2014, 07:28 PM

Original Avars were Europoid + Europo-Mongoloid. Later Mongoloid character became strong. And Turanid was most common Europoid type among the Avars graves.

The original Avars were clear Mongoloids with a small Europo-Mongoloid element. The Europid and Europo-Mongoloid elements between the Avars were the assimilated Iranian, Slavonic and other elements from the Steppe and Eastern Europe, because the closest anthropological relatives of the Europid and Europo-Mongoloid clusters of the Avars were the Sarmatian elements of Eastern Europe and Kazahstan. So these Europid elements were not the carriers of the supposed Turkic language of the Avars.

source: Éry Kinga : Újabb összehasonlító statisztikai vizsgálatok a Kárpát-medence 6-12. századi népességeinek embertanához - A Veszprém Megyei Múzeumok Közleményei 16. (1982.) (http://epa.oszk.hu/01600/01610/00016/pdf/vmm_16_1982_05_ery.pdf)

ChechenBorz

11-24-2014, 07:28 PM

Proto-Shaman

11-24-2014, 07:36 PM

"Baikal type"
This:

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3053/2813052753_e1767f3efd_z.jpg?zz=1
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3119/2813221754_56a25c4aa3_z.jpg?zz=1
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3223/2813050521_950750b7d6_z.jpg?zz=1
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=51679&d=1414011047
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=51680&d=1414011482

mostly Evenks are of this type.

Proto-Shaman

11-24-2014, 07:37 PM

Proto-Shaman

11-24-2014, 07:39 PM

The original Avars were clear Mongoloids with a small Europo-Mongoloid element. The Europid and Europo-Mongoloid elements between the Avars were the assimilated Iranian, Slavonic and other elements from the Steppe and Eastern Europe, because the closest anthropological relatives of the Europid and Europo-Mongoloid clusters of the Avars were the Sarmatian elements of Eastern Europe and Kazahstan. So these Europid elements were not the carriers of the supposed Turkic language of the Avars.

source: Éry Kinga : Újabb összehasonlító statisztikai vizsgálatok a Kárpát-medence 6-12. századi népességeinek embertanához - A Veszprém Megyei Múzeumok Közleményei 16. (1982.) (http://epa.oszk.hu/01600/01610/00016/pdf/vmm_16_1982_05_ery.pdf)
Tell me which Z93 mutation is Iranian :cool:

Dorian

11-24-2014, 07:41 PM

many albanoid-looking faces,no wonder why..

ChechenBorz

11-24-2014, 07:42 PM

so you consider them as subhumans?

I do not consider nobody subhuman and will never do anything to them because of what they are or what they believe, but if it means destroying and taking over the villages of my ancestors? fuck no. Their used to be 20 villages next to mine in the mountains but now 13 of them are inhabited by dagestanis who we in the summer always have to kick out. Oh yeah btw, why the fuck does your profile you are from Chechnya?

Proto-Shaman

11-24-2014, 07:44 PM

Oh yeah btw, why the fuck does your profile you are from Chechnya?
because I love Chechens ;)

blogen

11-24-2014, 07:44 PM

mostly Evenks are of this type.

Yep, the real Avars. The closest anthropological analogy of the Avar elite between the living populations in Eurasia:

http://www.sulinet.hu/oroksegtar/data/muzeumok/Csongrad_megye/Muzeumi_kotetek/pages/studia_archaeologica/images/009_tanulmanyok_clip_image002_0000.jpg

This is the Evenki and Buryat populated lands. Buryats, the face of the original Avars:

http://transformsiberia.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/dsc_0076.jpg

Leto

11-24-2014, 07:44 PM

blogen

11-24-2014, 07:45 PM

Tell me which Z93 mutation is Iranian :cool:

All of them.

ChechenBorz

11-24-2014, 07:46 PM

because I love Chechens ;)

You can love Chechens, be from Turkic Origin, be a Christian,Jew,Shiit Muslim(altho i hate all 3) i will never see you as subhuman. But just for the info, Chechens don't fire warning shots.

Illancha

11-24-2014, 07:54 PM

Avars and all other dagestanis were not originally from the Caucasus they were used by Chechens to work for us, most of them were run-away slaves or left their countries from the middle east or Asia. There are some mixed with Chechens. But most are all non-caucasian. They call themselves "Suliy" that means "My slave(s)" in Chechen. You can ask any Chechen if you do not believe that. It was a name giving by us to the slaves or lower people. My conclusion: Fuck those sandniggers!
Hun eh ca het har buh boc habarsh duyc? Dukh gen wol ho naggah, ca zim ozd hilch tel hun.

What you say is almost entirely false. Avars are actually indigenous people in the Caucasus, they've been inhabitants of the region and our neighbours for thousands of years. The name Suliy is not what they call themselves, it's what we call them and it is derived from the name of the river Suli around which they historically lived. "My slave" in Chechen is not Suliy, it is sa layi (сан лай).

My advice for you is to pipe it down a bit.

Proto-Shaman

11-24-2014, 07:58 PM

All of them.
You must mean the Martian mutations then. mr. prof. dr. blogen. You were always good in misinterpreting sources for your own purposes.

Proto-Shaman

11-24-2014, 08:01 PM

You can love Chechens, be from Turkic Origin, be a Christian,Jew,Shiit Muslim(altho i hate all 3) i will never see you as subhuman. But just for the info, Chechens don't fire warning shots.
Yes, I know, Chechens have fiery temperament, that's why I find them so cool :p

Leto

11-24-2014, 08:01 PM

...
Let me ask you. What is your knowledge of Chechen? I guess the language is mostly spoken, because it lacks terms for many modern concepts and things. If Chechens need to write or talk about something serious, they usually use Russian or other languages (in the diaspora).

Leto

11-24-2014, 08:03 PM

You can love Chechens, be from Turkic Origin, be a Christian,Jew,Shiit Muslim(altho i hate all 3)
What is your religion? Are you irreligious or do you follow pre-Muslim Chechen paganism?

ChechenBorz

11-24-2014, 08:10 PM

What is your religion? Are you irreligious or do you follow pre-Muslim Chechen paganism?

Some see me as Heathen others as Muslim

KawaiiKawaii

11-24-2014, 08:14 PM

Some see me as Heathen others as Muslim

There is Chechen paganism? Interesting. Do you have some links?

ChechenBorz

11-24-2014, 08:16 PM

Hun eh ca het har buh boc habarsh duyc? Dukh gen wol ho naggah, ca zim ozd hilch tel hun.

What you say is almost entirely false. Avars are actually indigenous people in the Caucasus, they've been inhabitants of the region and our neighbours for thousands of years. The name Suliy is not what they call themselves, it's what we call them and it is derived from the name of the river Suli around which they historically lived. "My slave" in Chechen is not Suliy, it is sa layi (сан лай).

My advice for you is to pipe it down a bit.

As sun hetag duc i ah hun hetag duc. Suli is a river also yes, we named it that way because when the turkic dagestanis settled there, Chechens got their attention and you what happens next. No fucker enters Chechen territory but of course nowadays some of the Chechens are huge pussies who don't give a fuck about being Chechen or knowing anything about their ancestors. I respect you Illancha, i really do. But some opinions of mine are totally different from yours. oh yeah, ever heard of that Chechen tradition where we can't talk a language in front of others so they don't understand? Yeah, talk English so everyone can follow what we are talking about.

ChechenBorz

11-24-2014, 08:21 PM

There is Chechen paganism? Interesting. Do you have some links?

Haha i don't know about links on the internet but a lot of Chechen families most of the time pure Chechens follow paganism, most of Chechnya are muslim but follow some traditions and than you have a minority who are heathen(most are secret) They believe Odin came from the Chechen mountains to northern Europe. Our God of all Gods we call "Dela" that means "God" but some believe it is actually Odin. When vikings made their conquests in Europe lots of them came to the Caucasus to Chechen lands not to fight but to praise the mountains because they believe Asgard was there. I know it is interesting. Luckily where i live in Europe i know a lot of Pagans with whom i can share ideas and old stories :)

Illancha

11-24-2014, 08:36 PM

Let me ask you. What is your knowledge of Chechen? I guess the language is mostly spoken, because it lacks terms for many modern concepts and things. If Chechens need to write or talk about something serious, they usually use Russian or other languages (in the diaspora).
For Chechens of my age, my knowledge of the language is exceptionally good. I speak fluently at a high level without any need to pause and think about what I'm about to say and I never use loan words as my vocabulary is deep enough to know the older original Chechen words that have been replaced with foreign substitutes over time. The reason being that I was raised in a household and community that spoke purely in Chechen, my grandparents used to reprimand me whenever I used a foreign word and would not let it pass uncorrected. Obviously, my case is something of an exception for most Chechens nowadays, who struggle to form full coherent sentences in Chechen when discussing deeper topics. But, if you're a high level speaker then the only area you'll find wanting is technological, scientific and mathematical vocabulary.

Proto-Shaman

11-24-2014, 08:37 PM

Yep, the real Avars. The closest anthropological analogy of the Avar elite between the living populations in Eurasia:

http://www.sulinet.hu/oroksegtar/data/muzeumok/Csongrad_megye/Muzeumi_kotetek/pages/studia_archaeologica/images/009_tanulmanyok_clip_image002_0000.jpg

This is the Evenki and Buryat populated lands. Buryats, the face of the original Avars:

http://transformsiberia.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/dsc_0076.jpg
= 80% Europid?

holy shit...

blogen

11-24-2014, 09:54 PM

= 80% Europid?
holy shit...

Old Turks in the Turkic homeland: almost zero Europid. Any Europid phenomenon between the Turks are not Turkic origin. And again: the Avar elite, the real Avars = Mongoloids. The Avar common peoples were various origin assimilated Iranian, Slavic, Finno-Ugrian (not Magyar!) elements from Central Asia and Eastern Europe (the Eastern European steppic and forest steppic populations and not the Europeans!)

Peter Nirsch

11-24-2014, 09:57 PM

They look like Turkish

War Chef

11-25-2014, 07:15 AM

Yep, the real Avars. The closest anthropological analogy of the Avar elite between the living populations in Eurasia:

They were Rouran Khaganate refugees kicked out by the rising Gokturks. The Gokturks told the Byzantines the Avars are actually "fugitive Scythians" so I would say the Avar ruling class was split 50-50 Mongoloid-Caucasoid with commoners being +75% Caucasoid. Whoever they were exactly, the Avars were first to bring Spangelhem style helmets into Europe, which was used by all Germanic tribes.

http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/k573/maurimy/hs20.gif~original

The prototype of this helmet is found in 0 A.D. Korea:

http://i.imgur.com/b3m3t4z.jpg

1st century B.C. Korean Armor:

http://i.imgur.com/MsyhssQ.jpg

Avar helmet:

http://i.imgur.com/rPtiFXQ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/59xUZKu.jpg

Proto-Shaman

11-25-2014, 04:11 PM

Old Turks in the Turkic homeland: almost zero Europid. Any Europid phenomenon between the Turks are not Turkic origin. And again: the Avar elite, the real Avars = Mongoloids. The Avar common peoples were various origin assimilated Iranian, Slavic, Finno-Ugrian (not Magyar!) elements from Central Asia and Eastern Europe (the Eastern European steppic and forest steppic populations and not the Europeans!)
As always Martian, I can't read such unscientific delusional nonsense anymore.

blogen

11-25-2014, 04:42 PM

As always Martian, I can't read such unscientific delusional nonsense anymore.

Of course these anthropological results about the origin of the Avars are not panTurkist shit, but Hungarian science. Your reaction is typical. :D

http://freeradicalnetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Ostrich-man-head-in-sand.gif

Proto-Shaman

11-25-2014, 05:11 PM

Of course these anthropological results about the origin of the Avars are not panTurkist shit, but Hungarian science. Your reaction is typical. :D

http://freeradicalnetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Ostrich-man-head-in-sand.gif
Yep, I understand, you mean the Hungarian anthropological science which clearly states that Avars were almost 80% Europoid and you have problems with interpreting your own sources? Not to mention your hardcore delusional "Z93 mutation" and "Old Turkic" statements :picard1: How do you explain Turkic P-M45 then? ... travelling back in time? :picard2: Science is one thing, but your illusory eurocentric opinion is another thing. Learn the difference, blogen.

blogen

11-25-2014, 06:30 PM

Yep, I understand, you mean the Hungarian anthropological science which clearly states that Avars were almost 80% Europoid and you have problems with interpreting your own sources?

This is your problem. The Avars in the Carpathian-basin. But not the original Avars! Since this was the fundamental statement of the survey: the absolute majority of the Avars in the Carpathian basin are Eastern European, Sarmatian and Finno-Ugric (not Magyar!) origin anthropologically, only the Avar elite was Mongoloid, but they were hardcore Mongoloids. That means: this Europidness is the non-Avar origin component between the Avars. Since the original Avars were not Eastern European origin peoples!

Proto-Shaman

11-25-2014, 07:48 PM

This is your problem. The Avars in the Carpathian-basin. But not the original Avars! Since this was the fundamental statement of the survey: the absolute majority of the Avars in the Carpathian basin are Eastern European, Sarmatian and Finno-Ugric (not Magyar!) origin anthropologically, only the Avar elite was Mongoloid, but they were hardcore Mongoloids. That means: this Europidness is the non-Avar origin component between the Avars. Since the original Avars were not Eastern European origin peoples!
My problem is that 80% Europoid vs YOU. Get it?

blogen

11-25-2014, 07:53 PM

My problem is that 80% Europoid vs YOU. Get it?

Ok, the reality is not exist anymore for you, so any talk with you is meaningless. Bye!

Proto-Shaman

11-25-2014, 07:55 PM

Ok, the reality is not exist anymore for you, so any talk with you is meaningless. Bye!
80% Europoid says rather bye to you.

Wild North

11-27-2014, 12:59 AM

There is Chechen paganism? Interesting. Do you have some links?

If you want to know more. Here´s a thread:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?48887-Similarity-of-Vainakh-Celtic-and-Baltic-Mythology

Imamudin

08-24-2015, 05:44 PM

you meant they look like? They can pass in the Balkans without even trying, too similar. Ukraine as well.

They are too distinctive North Caucasian with features adapted to the environment of the Caucasus mountains to fit anywhere else.

Imamudin

08-24-2015, 05:47 PM

By the way, the singer in my signature is Avar from Dagestan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=17&v=kd9BwNdo3F0

Imamudin

08-25-2015, 09:19 AM

Well, people do change over millenniums when they move from one region in another. As several members have observed, many of them can still pass in Balkan.

Average people from the Balkans are not a bit like them, nor is there any kind of connection. They don't have the genetics to pass in the Balkans. Seeing such a nonsense coming even from an Albanian/Balkanite merely illustrates how out of touch with reality you must be.

Imamudin

08-25-2015, 12:39 PM

look how russian they look like, many russian blood

Have you ever been in Russia? Because you won't find such faces among Russians, they look like everyone in this region.

Terror-Night

08-25-2015, 01:39 PM

Arif Magomedov
http://cs622025.vk.me/v622025752/405c/bavUG3KK9J4.jpg

Imamudin

08-25-2015, 01:46 PM

Arif Magomedov
http://cs622025.vk.me/v622025752/405c/bavUG3KK9J4.jpg

From where do you know him? :D

Imamudin

08-25-2015, 02:37 PM

I swear I would confuse a lot of them for Albanians, especially Highlanders and Kosovar Albanian Villagers:

For example:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?119318-Classify-Pure-Descendants-of-Illyrians-(-thread-39)

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?45915-Kosovar-Albanians(Pictures)/page119

How is that possible? Not even a blind man would confuse them. Albanians are way more south western in appearance with features which would make them appear totally out of place in Caucasus.

aherne

08-25-2015, 07:24 PM

Arif Magomedov
http://cs622025.vk.me/v622025752/405c/bavUG3KK9J4.jpg

Aryan pred. Could be Romanian easily...

Terror-Night

08-26-2015, 06:17 AM

From where do you know him? :D

From youtube )))

Imamudin

08-26-2015, 09:40 AM

Interesting. They are certainly lighter than Romanians. Look much like Nakh (Chechen/Ingush), with whom they are related (but with lesser Aryan influence)...However, as Chechens, they do include a minority of Near Eastern types that stick out like a sore thumb in Europe. In Balkans, I would say they resemble Albanians a lot. What do you guys think?

Chechens and Avars literally nowhere resemble Albanians or Romanians and it's a mystery to me why some Albanians and Romanians support this obvious nonsense. And neither are we related to the Near East.

Terror-Night

08-26-2015, 11:14 AM

Avar Murad Machaev on the right.
https://pp.vk.me/c621922/v621922064/23afb/px_XefpALJc.jpg

Vorg

08-26-2015, 11:27 AM

Aryan party

http://cs403531.vk.me/v403531014/4a6c/TxRnGA2A1s4.jpg

Imamudin

08-26-2015, 11:42 AM

Aryan party

http://cs403531.vk.me/v403531014/4a6c/TxRnGA2A1s4.jpg

Russians should not speak about Aryans.

aherne

08-26-2015, 03:05 PM

Most people presented here can pass in Romania (especially Moldova) and even better as Albanian. It would be hard to make a distinction even in groups. They are absolutely European in looks...

aherne

08-26-2015, 03:08 PM

Avar Murad Machaev on the right.
https://pp.vk.me/c621922/v621922064/23afb/px_XefpALJc.jpg

Odd types: first is a dark CM (almost indian/gypsy, but I don't think it's the case), second looks Aryan mixed with Iranid (I know someone from Badakhshan who looks like him) producing pseudo-Italian looks. Based on pictures already given, they are atypical folk.

Imamudin

08-26-2015, 03:18 PM

Most people presented here can pass in Romania (especially Moldova) and even better as Albanian. It would be hard to make a distinction even in groups. They are absolutely European in looks...

Definitely not. I mean, maybe they can pass in Albania or Romania but you can definitely not pass in Dagestan/Caucasus.

Imamudin

08-26-2015, 03:40 PM

Odd types: first is a dark CM (almost indian/gypsy, but I don't think it's the case), second looks Aryan mixed with Iranid (I know someone from Badakhshan who looks like him) producing pseudo-Italian looks. Based on pictures already given, they are atypical folk.

The left guy looks Ukrainian or Russian, the guy on the right is typical for the region. Most people aren't familiar with this region and out of ignorance they are trying desperately to assign them to some places like you. But this look is common and native in Caucasus and not in Romania, Moldova, Albania or wherever, so it's inacceptable to place them outside of the Caucasus mountains.

Anima Libera

08-26-2015, 03:42 PM

Why so light? Did they mix with the pontids or scythians?

Imamudin

08-26-2015, 03:58 PM

Why so light? Did they mix with the pontids or scythians?

And another proof how dumb and ignorant people are regarding this. Oh wait, you're American.

Anima Libera

08-26-2015, 05:58 PM

And another proof how dumb and ignorant people are regarding this. Oh wait, you're American.

What the fuck is your problem bitch? Who would know this shit? The average person doesn't understand anthropology and caucasians are very rare in America.

Root

02-03-2017, 12:08 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQKsgxJ_XaY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiAgBcVuihk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd4vSyTtcaE

black hole

02-03-2017, 06:27 PM

their language like other Caucasic languages is similar to Na-Dene

Root

02-03-2017, 07:43 PM

their language like other Caucasic languages is similar to Na-Dene

yep, that's why a Russian historical linguist Sergei Starostin has included us native Caucasian peoples in Dene-Caucasian language family group..

Nanushka

06-18-2017, 06:06 PM

Avar Murad Machaev on the right.
https://pp.vk.me/c621922/v621922064/23afb/px_XefpALJc.jpg

They look definitely Avar, especially the one on the right-hand side. His colour and features represent a typical Avar or even cherkess (as northern Caucasians are usually called) and this typology is very common in our Avar village in Yalova near Istanbul too

Полковник 95

06-18-2017, 06:26 PM

They look definitely Avar, especially the one on the right-hand side. His colour and features represent a typical Avar or even cherkess (as northern Caucasians are usually called) and this typology is very common in our Avar village in Yalova near Istanbul too

You must be another Turkish fake account. North Caucasian Avars are no Turkic ethnicity, you confuse them with Pannonian Avars in the Balkans.

Cristiano viejo

06-18-2017, 06:30 PM

They seem quite primitive, being honest.

Nanushka

06-18-2017, 07:04 PM

You must be another Turkish fake account. North Caucasian Avars are no Turkic ethnicity, you confuse them with Pannonian Avars in the Balkans.

You are wrong, I am genuine and my account is not fake! I live in Istanbul and my family are sad but proud Avar immigrants from Daghestan. Our people just look like these guys in this picture, almost all fair and beautiful. And yes, Avars are of turkic ethnicity of course, those who study ancient history knows about it, please dont come over me as I study this for a very long time

Полковник 95

06-18-2017, 07:05 PM

They seem quite primitive, being honest.

It only seems unusual for your eurafrican eyes because the your Spanish combo (western european cuck + nigger admix) is absent.

Cristiano viejo

06-18-2017, 07:16 PM

It only seems unusual for your eurafrican eyes because the your Spanish combo (western european cuck + nigger admix) is absent.
My Euroafrican eyes are quite more developed than the yours, who are quite primitive and Middle Eastern, sorry.

Nanushka

06-18-2017, 07:17 PM

They seem quite primitive, being honest.

Your comment is disappointing, maybe they are not well-educated but they definitely look nice and handsome. They by no means look primitive, would you say the same thing if they were from Norway or Russia?

Cristiano viejo

06-18-2017, 07:19 PM

Your comment is disappointing, maybe they are not well-educated but they definitely look nice and handsome. They by no means look primitive, would you say the same thing if they were from Norway or Russia?

Yes.

Nanushka

06-18-2017, 07:30 PM

My Euroafrican eyes are quite more developed than the yours, who are quite primitive and Middle Eastern, sorry.

Neither chechens nor avars and other cherkess are of middle-eastern origin. We are caucasians about whom americans say 'cradle of white race'. Looking at the phenotype and facial features, it is so true. And calling someone 'primitive' shouldnt be so easy Cristiano, another disappointing comment on behalf of latinos

Полковник 95

06-18-2017, 07:38 PM

My Euroafrican eyes are quite more developed than the yours, who are quite primitive and Middle Eastern, sorry.

Then you would see that your Spanish mongrel tribe has too much overlap with nearby African countries to be in a position to perceive anyone as primitive.

Cristiano viejo

06-18-2017, 07:41 PM

Then you would see that your Spanish mongrel tribe has too much overlap with nearby African countries to be in a position to perceive anyone as primitive.

The Spanish tribe is developed and First World.
You Chechens and these people are Third World and indeed very African in every aspect.

Nanushka

06-18-2017, 07:51 PM

The Spanish tribe is developed and First World.
You Chechens and these people are Third World and indeed very African in every aspect.

This is getting harder:( Then you need to tell us how you spanish-latin tribe developed my dear, through colonialism and slavery? In this case being third world is not something to be ashamed of. and indeed Africans are very decent and well-mannered people:mad:

Cristiano viejo

06-18-2017, 07:54 PM

This is getting harder:( Then you need to tell us how you spanish-latin tribe developed my dear, through colonialism and slavery? In this case being third world is not something to be ashamed of. and indeed Africans are very decent and well-mannered people:mad:

Any "tribe" developed though colonialism (and many times thorugh slavery too), true.
I am thinking in British, Romans, Russians...

Полковник 95

06-18-2017, 07:55 PM

The Spanish tribe is developed and First World.
You Chechens and these people are Third World and indeed very African in every aspect.

Spanish singer agrees with your post:

http://asal-sarekhat.persiangig.com/image/5C9B018D-9D98-1AA0-8E05F2C3D6D8221C%5B1%5D.jpg

Cristiano viejo

06-18-2017, 07:56 PM

Spanish singer agrees with your post:

http://asal-sarekhat.persiangig.com/image/5C9B018D-9D98-1AA0-8E05F2C3D6D8221C%5B1%5D.jpg

Try it with other, his father side comes from Puerto Rico and his mother is from Philipines.
And still Chechenia is Third World.

Полковник 95

06-18-2017, 08:24 PM

You are wrong, I am genuine and my account is not fake! I live in Istanbul and my family are sad but proud Avar immigrants from Daghestan. Our people just look like these guys in this picture, almost all fair and beautiful. And yes, Avars are of turkic ethnicity of course, those who study ancient history knows about it, please dont come over me as I study this for a very long time

But Avars are a Caucasian non-Turkic ethnic group who speak a Caucasian non-Turkic language related to other languages of the Caspian language family.

And you are obviously a new sock account of Turkish impostor Kazbolat/Shahqulu/Massagetae because nobody except a Turkish wannabe like you could write such rubbish.

Böri

06-18-2017, 08:32 PM

Modern Kavkaz Avars from Daghestan and early medieval Pannonian Avars who invaded Europa, enslaved Slavs and besieged Constantinople are 2 different stories ofc Lol

Nanushka

06-18-2017, 08:49 PM

But Avars are a Caucasian non-Turkic ethnic group who speak a Caucasian non-Turkic language related to other languages of the Caspian language family.

And you are obviously a new sock account of Turkish impostor Kazbolat/Shahqulu/Massagetae because nobody except a Turkish wannabe like you could write such rubbish.

Hey why are you so aggressive? You look like a very rude hillbilly this way, contrary to the chechens that I met here. Its so embarrassing on your account. Whats wrong with being turkish? You and others know nothing about them and only talking hearsay from a distance! Who the hell are Kazbolat/Shahqulu? They are nothing to me. I have been researching for my roots as well as turks and will start doctorating on this very soon so I am not bullshitting like you and many others:mad: Anyway, you will be informed but you can at least try to read more and follow new academics & findings not to sound weird

Myapologies

06-18-2017, 08:56 PM

The Spanish tribe is developed and First World.
You Chechens and these people are Third World and indeed very African in every aspect.

Apparently Caucasus people are too masculine for the modern effeminate Spanish men with 5'9 height usually.

Полковник 95

06-18-2017, 09:02 PM

Hey why are you so aggressive? You look like a very rude hillbilly this way, contrary to the chechens that I met here. Its so embarrassing on your account. Whats wrong with being turkish? You and others know nothing about them and only talking hearsay from a distance! I have been researching for my roots as well as turks and will start doctorating on this very soon so I am not bullshitting like you and many others:mad: Anyway, you will be informed but you can at least try to read more and follow new academics & findings. Then you may look less ignorant

Well, I have an Avar friend. If you are not a fake then answer in Avar language. Дуда маг|арул мац|алъ к|алъазе лъали?

Nanushka

06-18-2017, 09:25 PM

Modern Kavkaz Avars from Daghestan and early medieval Pannonian Avars who invaded Europa, enslaved Slavs and besieged Constantinople are 2 different stories ofc Lol

no Siyendi, not exactly

Nanushka

06-18-2017, 09:58 PM

Well, I have an Avar friend. If you are not a fake then answer in Avar language. Дуда маг|арул мац|алъ к|алъазе лъали?

Yes I know some Avar language (Magarul mats) but I dont have to prove anything to you! I can understand it to a certain level as my beautiful, beloved grandma taught me but I can't write, I can read because I know intermediate-level russian. Change your point of view, you dare to ask me this question but you are not aware that youre being rude. I can show you new things about the history of northern caucasians and undercover truth about turks here and discuss neatly, but you should be open and ready. I ask this to all the threaders here actually

Loki

06-20-2017, 07:43 AM

Well, I have an Avar friend. If you are not a fake then answer in Avar language. Дуда маг|арул мац|алъ к|алъазе лъали?

Listen here mate, STOP harasssing new members. She doesn't have to prove anything to you. You're not a forum staff member even.

Полковник 95

06-20-2017, 04:55 PM

Listen here mate, STOP harasssing new members. She doesn't have to prove anything to you. You're not a forum staff member even.

Why do I have to be staff member to prove the authenticity of someone who communicates with me who appears here out of the blue and spreads turkifying absurdities (which remind of Kipchak Hakan, Kazbolat and other Turks)? I mean, I didn't say that I want to ban him/her. But "her" reaction is self-explanatory.

Nanushka

06-21-2017, 09:05 AM

Why do I have to be staff member to prove the authenticity of someone who communicates with me who appears here out of the blue and spreads turkifying absurdities (which remind of Kipchak Hakan, Kazbolat and other Turks)? I mean, I didn't say that I want to ban him/her. But "her" reaction is self-explanatory.

Did anybody or any staff member here test your authenticity when you first entered here? I can easily ask you the same question then, are you genuinely chechen really? I didnt appear here out of blue, I have every right to come and contribute as you and all others, especially considering the name of the thread 'Caucasian Avars' which is my precious root.

I am not trying to convince anybody that Avars are turks but this is an academic claim and I am researching on this, so I can write and inform. Actually there is a discussion about avars in history; it is because one tribe is attributed to mongol-originated juan-juans since they ruled Avars for a short time but they are fake. The others are real Avars who didnt accept juan-juan rule and broke away from central asia then settled to northern caucasia. We are their descendants. However some of them didnt stay there and moved again until hungarian plains and become one of the founding tribes in the origin of Hungarians. Thus we are strongly connected to them as well, we have common names and customs; in our own language we call ourselves magarul and hungarians call themselves magyar, also Mohach/Mahach is an important name in both culture. Still reading and investigating.

We can discuss all these here neatly I hope, I believe we are all decent adults

Полковник 95

06-21-2017, 02:15 PM

Did anybody or any staff member here test your authenticity when you first entered here? I can easily ask you the same question then, are you genuinely chechen really? I didnt appear here out of blue, I have every right to come and contribute as you and all others, especially considering the name of the thread 'Caucasian Avars' which is my precious root.

I am not trying to convince anybody that Avars are turks but this is an academic claim and I am researching on this, so I can write and inform. Actually there is a discussion about avars in history; it is because one tribe is attributed to mongol-originated juan-juans since they ruled Avars for a short time but they are fake. The others are real Avars who didnt accept juan-juan rule and broke away from central asia then settled to northern caucasia. We are their descendants. However some of them didnt stay there and moved again until hungarian plains and become one of the founding tribes in the origin of Hungarians. Thus we are strongly connected to them as well, we have common names and customs; in our own language we call ourselves magarul and hungarians call themselves magyar, also Mohach/Mahach is an important name in both culture. Still reading and investigating.

We can discuss all these here neatly I hope, I believe we are all decent adults

No one in the North Caucasus gives a fuck about the pan-Turkic wannabeism of some Anatolian Turks. Anyway, I'm not interested in who or what is hiding behind your account.

Nanushka

06-22-2017, 11:26 AM

No one in the North Caucasus gives a fuck about the pan-Turkic wannabeism of some Anatolian Turks. Anyway, I'm not interested in who or what is hiding behind your account.

Very good, then I am not interested in your posts form now on either, lets ignore each other. As I told earlier, I am a genuine Avar from northern caucasia and know our language to survive enough. If you have a complexity or such towards turks, it is your problem. Mind you, I am not hiding anything because I dont need it but you might be hiding an orthodox wahabi scum behind yours, considering your attack on a woman so rudely. You are an insult to your people. So it is you who have to fuck off here right away as I AM the Avar here, not you chechen

Loki

06-22-2017, 08:38 PM

Loki

06-22-2017, 08:40 PM

Very good, then I am not interested in your posts form now on either, lets ignore each other. As I told earlier, I am a genuine Avar from northern caucasia and know our language to survive enough. If you have a complexity or such towards turks, it is your problem. Mind you, I am not hiding anything because I dont need it but you might be hiding an orthodox wahabi scum behind yours, considering your attack on a woman so rudely. You are an insult to your people. So it is you who have to fuck off here right away as I AM the Avar here, not you chechen

This is very interesting. I didn't know the Avars still have living descendants, and haven't just disappeared in history?

Nanushka

06-23-2017, 08:48 AM

This is very interesting. I didn't know the Avars still have living descendants, and haven't just disappeared in history?

Northern caucasia is an interesting place full of people from many different origins including some arab-origins who came at very early ages as well as wahabis today spoiling the nature and beliefs of caucasians. But majority is ethnic caucasians. My family is from Daghestan and its also a very complicated place in terms of people and languages. We are few in number but yes we do survive:) I think I will be writing a thesis on the root of avars and their hungarian connection. Will visit the place for sure

Nanushka

06-23-2017, 02:29 PM

Güneyköy, Avar immigrants village in Yalova
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Former Parliament members, Mehmet Gölhan & Abdullah Başturk from Güneyköy
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Renowned TV producer and journalist Banu Avar
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Böri

06-23-2017, 03:05 PM

Güneyköy, Avar immigrants village in Yalova
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Former Parliament members, Mehmet Gölhan & Abdullah Başturk from Güneyköy
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Renowned TV producer and journalist Banu Avar
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How many people are you in total in Turkey as Kavkaz Avars?

Aurelio

06-23-2017, 03:09 PM

Good example of people who avoided mixing with Turks and other Non Whites.

Nanushka

06-23-2017, 03:29 PM

How many people are you in total in Turkey as Kavkaz Avars?

Approx. 650-700 families in whole Turkey. Güneyköy is the biggest one though

Böri

06-23-2017, 03:36 PM

Approx. 650-700 families in whole Turkey. Güneyköy is the biggest one though

İ see, it's few. Pretty much similar with Ossetian community in Turkey.

Nanushka

06-23-2017, 03:50 PM

Good example of people who avoided mixing with Turks and other Non Whites.

I dont think that you know turks very well. Ethnic turks are white and some of them are as fair as avars, especially Cuman-Kiptchak-Pechenek descendants living in northern and western turkey today. So you'd rather say 'good example of people avoided mixing with arabs, kurdish and iranians' I guess. Turks tend to get married with muslims mostly and thats why they get easily darker in the east and south. This is a very big country with people from many ethnic roots.

Nanushka

06-23-2017, 03:52 PM

İ see, it's few. Pretty much similar with Ossetian community in Turkey.

Are you ossetian?

Böri

06-23-2017, 04:07 PM

Are you ossetian?

:) no, I gave it as example of small community. When the community is small İ guess relation is warmer and people are like an extended family. That's nice. You also bear more responsibility in the same time, like that of surviving and carrying on which is more difficult.

Pahli

06-23-2017, 04:21 PM

I dont think that you know turks very well. Ethnic turks are white and some of them are as fair as avars, especially Cuman-Kiptchak-Pechenek descendants living in northern and western turkey today. So you'd rather say 'good example of people avoided mixing with arabs, kurdish and iranians' I guess. Turks tend to get married with muslims mostly and thats why they get easily darker in the east. This is a very big country with people from many ethnic roots.

If you're white then I'm Tatar from Kazan :lol:

Nanushka

06-23-2017, 04:34 PM

If you're white then I'm Tatar from Kazan :lol:

Obviously you are not. If you are kurdish you must naturally be brown (of course if you didnt mix with an avar or cherkess or cuman or Baskhir tatar or pomak or yörük or laz or etc my dear)

Nanushka

06-23-2017, 04:46 PM

If you're white then I'm Tatar from Kazan :lol:

You can fool romantic europeans with your bullshit but not me Pahli, I know kurdish ppl very well in this country so dont you dare to mess with me and check out the photos I upload

Nanushka

06-23-2017, 04:52 PM

from my family, first-generations in turkey and their offspring
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Hadouken

06-23-2017, 04:58 PM

Buusra and her family are whiter than kurds . how will we live with this ? :(

Полковник 95

06-23-2017, 05:07 PM

It's none of your business, it's personal. I consider this harassment. So, if you continue with this you risk penalty.

Let's not exaggerate. Everything's fine.

This is very interesting. I didn't know the Avars still have living descendants, and haven't just disappeared in history?

There are plenty descendants, they normally don't live in Turkey though. Most of them live in Dagestan obviously and in other parts of Russia.

Nanushka

06-23-2017, 05:08 PM

Buusra and her family are whiter than kurds . how will we live with this ? :(

well its your problem but I kindly ask you to discuss it with somewhere else e.g. in another thread like 'kurdish ppl from middle-east', but not here under the thread Avars please

Pahli

06-23-2017, 05:08 PM

Obviously you are not. If you are kurdish you must naturally be brown (of course if you didnt mix with an avar or cherkess or cuman or Baskhir tatar or pomak or yörük or laz or etc my dear)

LOL, I don't have any Turkic in my family and we have all the light traits as well in my family. Laz are not even that much lighter, bashkir and cuman are churkas and asian as fuck, yörük can be dark too. Send Danishmend my regards, he has done a nice job recruiting people for his agenda :laugh:

Hadouken

06-23-2017, 05:12 PM

well its your problem but I kindly ask you to discuss it with somewhere else e.g. in another thread like 'kurdish ppl from middle-east', but not here under the thread Avars please

there is no "problem" . my people look good enough for me and I dont give a fuck about whiteness either but we dont look as people like you portrait us either . we look like what I have in my signature and anything else is just forum propaganda by people want to put other people "down" by saying they are whiter than them . how pathetic

also let me guess you are in the same racial family with all turkics from balkans to yakutia no ? but of course you are white as fuck at the same time . you are also european and muslim at the same time too I guess

whatever ...dont mention my ethnicity girl . dont mind member Pahli either he is just joking around often

Nanushka

06-23-2017, 05:19 PM

LOL, I don't have any Turkic in my family and we have all the light traits as well in my family. Laz are not even that much lighter, bashkir and cuman are churkas and asian as fuck, yörük can be dark too. Send Danishmend my regards, he has done a nice job recruiting people for his agenda :laugh:

Beware, you are talking to a history doctorant from turkey and I know every race and every ethnicity in this mixed land. So dont give me that! If you have light genes in your family (very unlikely for a middle eastern in Iran), you should thank to another source for it like Cuman descendants settled there long ago, or we all know how you look like. Also you gave them your dark genes.
Please dont reply if you are not going to write about Avars and discuss neatly, or else I will have to ignore it

Hadouken

06-23-2017, 05:22 PM

wtf is this girl talking about

light kurds are to find even in the most isolated provinces . often mountainous types and such . look at many pkk fighters to see what I mean . they are as kurdish as this forum is trollish . so very much so

just lol

Aurelio

06-23-2017, 05:24 PM

Obviously you are not. If you are kurdish you must naturally be brown (of course if you didnt mix with an avar or cherkess or cuman or Baskhir tatar or pomak or yörük or laz or etc my dear)

Not all Kurd are naturally brown, but they have a variety of looks. Turkish people look the way they are because they have many different levels of genetic admixtures from Cambodians to Celts. They have no average look, but the Avars seem relatively unmixed and look more like Albanians than Anatolian Turks.

Hadouken

06-23-2017, 05:25 PM

you first have to define brown anyway . the term can mean anything from a tanned olive picker south euro to a tamil .

Nanushka

06-23-2017, 05:28 PM

there is no "problem" . my people look good enough for me and I dont give a fuck about whiteness either but we dont look as people like you portrait us either . we look like what I have in my signature and anything else is just forum propaganda by people want to put other people "down" by saying they are whiter than them . how pathetic

also let me guess you are in the same racial family with all turkics from balkans to yakutia no ? but of course you are white as fuck at the same time . you are also european and muslim at the same time too I guess

whatever ...dont mention my ethnicity girl . dont mind member Pahli either he is just joking around often

No, I am a humanist and love the colour of every race on this earth. I dont mention your ethnicity deliberately or to put you down at all. I just want to write because of my lust for the truth, otherwise I have no problem with kurdish or persian etc. However I see very ugly and humiliating comments about turks flying around so I want to point out my research results and observations about them. I live in this land and I witness everything. But I didn't write a bad word about kurds, did I?

Hadouken

06-23-2017, 05:32 PM

No, I am a humanist and love the colour of every race on this earth. I dont mention your ethnicity deliberately or to put you down at all. I just want to write because of my lust for the truth, otherwise I have no problem with kurdish or persian etc. However I see very ugly and humiliating comments about turks flying around so I want to point out my research results and observations about them. I live in this land and I observe everything. But I didn't write a bad word about kurds, did I?

love the color of every race on this earth xD as if we are so different looking people . 99% of turks who meet me and/or know me dont even know that I am kurdish until I tell them

"kurdish or persian" . persians look different from us . I dont know why the fuck everybody sees us as the same . most persians I have seen wouldnt even pass as atypical among us . that being said persians are good people and I like them so I dont say this because I dont want to be associated with them but they are different from us ffs

this forum is hosting so many trolls who create douzens of sockpuppets and on top of it dont know what the fuck they are talking about and seem to have no knowledge and real life experience worth shit whatsoever

Stears

06-23-2017, 05:34 PM

Nanushka

06-23-2017, 05:37 PM

:) no, I gave it as example of small community. When the community is small İ guess relation is warmer and people are like an extended family. That's nice. You also bear more responsibility in the same time, like that of surviving and carrying on which is more difficult.

That is true, we have a strong culture and so many different traditions to carry on. I may put some of them here as well from time to time:)

Aurelio

06-23-2017, 05:38 PM

Nanushka

06-23-2017, 05:48 PM

There is no any historical connection between Panonnian Avars (mixed unknown origin tribes) and Kavkaz Avars. Hungarian people are not culturally gentically anthopologically related to any Turkic people. Only the supporters of conspiracy theories believe in that. According to the turanist proletarian conspiracy theories all academic historians, genetic scientists and linguist globally conspired against the turanism....

Well I have been studying this for a very long time and the reserach results dont show it that way. I am speaking with evidence, not subjectively. Many turkish scholars have been studying this matter in deep lately. If you dont want to be relatives according to your feelings to turks so be it, but the rules of the world is not working that way.

However, there is only one real Avar empire in history, know this, and those who bear this name in any way are closely related to them. Read about their expansion routs in history, then you may be familiar with it

Stears

06-23-2017, 06:02 PM

Well I have been studying this for a very long time and the reserach results dont show it that way. I am speaking with evidence, not subjectively. Many turkish scholars have been studying this matter in deep lately. If you dont want to be relatives according to your feelings to turks so be it, but the rules of the world is not working that way.

However, there is only one real Avar state in history, know this, and those who bear this name in any way are closely related to them. Read about their expansion roots in history, then you may be familiar with it

If turks want to find genetic relatived, they must go to the balkans, if Central Asian turkic people want to find European relatives, they must go to Eastern Slavic countries.

De facto, Hungarians are the most genetically western country among the former Eastern block countries.

See autosomal maps here: http://www.eupedia.com/europe/autosomal_maps_dodecad.shtml