New Defense Minister of Greece interviews terrorist PKK leader Ocalan in 1990s

[Onur]

Meet with the new defense minister of Greece, Panos Panagiotopoulos;
http://www.birlikgazetesi.info/images/stories/2012/06_Haziran/panagiotopolos.jpg

It turned out he gone to the terrorist training camps of PKK in 1990s and interviewed their leader Abdullah Ocalan;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mi8HVThHh14

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoETDsmlCso

Panos Panagiotopoulos asks about what would Kurdish people do if a war erupts between Greece and Turkey. Ocalan responds to him with a bit of complaint and says that Greece couldn't dare to act against Turkey when the time was right. He says that if Greece would attack Turkey from the west, they could have beat Turkey with the kurdish forces attacking from the east at the same time.

He kinda complains about Greece`s cowardliness and says that they shouldn't miss the chance to destroy Turkish regime while they have the chance to do so all together.

Ocalan criticizing Greece for missing the chance of destroying Turkey together with PKK. Greece should be brave to resolve the Cyprus and Aegean sea problems and attack Turkey. He claims that such a war between Turkey vs Greeks+Kurds would be the most legitimate war ever in history. He says that this is the only way to win for both Kurds and Greeks, otherwise the barbarians (Turks) will win.


Once again i see that it`s some kind of norm in Greece to involve anti-Turkish acts to be able to rise in Greek politics and supporting terror groups against Turkey is a big plus for them too (!!!)

[ChildOfTheJin]

One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. Simply calling the PKK "militants" would be approved by both sides. Anyway I don't like Greek politics, they were involved in capturing Ocalan in Kenya. And so did Israel

[Kemalisté]

One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. Simply calling the PKK "militants" would be approved by both sides. Anyway I don't like Greek politics, they were involved in capturing Ocalan in Kenya. And so did Israel

A head of a terrorist organization targeting civilians, school and tourist buses, village houses could only be called a '' freedom fighter '' by an extremely desperate fanatic creature like you.

You just degrade the nobility of the term by using it for a contemptible mountain bear. Real freedom fighters were Che Guevara, Yasser Arafat, Mahatma Gandhi etc.

[ChildOfTheJin]

A head of a terrorist organization targeting civilians, school and tourist buses, village houses could only be called a '' freedom fighter '' by an extremely desperate fanatic creature like you.

You just degrade the nobility of the term by using it for a contemptible mountain bear. Real freedom fighters were Che Guevara, Yasser Arafat, Mahatma Gandhi etc.

Turkish state has killed over 4 million Kurds in the past 100 years and you keep arresting our children! Who is the real terrorist here?

And show me sources that the PKK has done this stuff, and please, do not post Turkish website sources. Everyone knows they chat shit.

The PKK love Che Guevera. And Mandela supports the PKK. Is Mandela a terrorist?

No one believes your propaganda.

How many towns have the PKK liberated in the past few months? Semdinli was the first. The Turkish army is losing its war against the PKK. Kerdogan has realised this and thats why he is open for negotiations when before this happened he said "he will not negotiate with terrorists"

Try again :thumb001:

[Altay]

How many towns have the PKK liberated in the past few months? Semdinli was the first.
In what universe? It was a full rout for PKK in Şemdinli, assuming there was any contest to begin with, of course.

[Demhat]

A Pomak interested so much in Anatolian affairs surprises me. And this person is permanently crying about "bad" Kurds, Greeks, Armenians bashing him. Why are you bringing up such threads if you are not interested in getting flame war.

[ChildOfTheJin]

In what universe? It was a full rout for PKK in Şemdinli, assuming there was any contest to begin with, of course.

In our universe. In the milky way. On Planet Earth :)

http://www.ekurd.net/mismas/articles/misc2012/8/turkey4103.htm


“We came across guerrilla forces on the way back from the villages we visited but there were no security forces in the region except for a military point on the way out of Şemdinli province. A large number of cultivated areas and yards were completely burnt out in the villages where people say they are deliberatively targeted by the bombardment of security forces”, said Kışanak.

Kurdish politicians: "We saw PKK guerrillas in Şemdinli, not Turkish security forces"

[Ergenekon]

In our universe. In the milky way. On Planet Earth :)

http://www.ekurd.net/mismas/articles/misc2012/8/turkey4103.htm


“We came across guerrilla forces on the way back from the villages we visited but there were no security forces in the region except for a military point on the way out of Şemdinli province. A large number of cultivated areas and yards were completely burnt out in the villages where people say they are deliberatively targeted by the bombardment of security forces”, said Kışanak.

Kurdish politicians: "We saw PKK guerrillas in Şemdinli, not Turkish security forces"

Your universe needs an update, mate. Haven't you even heard about last Operation Dawn carried out by TAF in Şemdinli, which killed 137 terrorists between 8-19 September? Now majority of the area is under TAF control, including the area where BDP members hugged PKK.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Dawn_%282012%29

[annihilus]

I fail to see what PKK has got to do with Ocalan anyway. The PKK is no longer run by Turkish Kurds, even their fighters have become a minority now. Nowadays it's Syrians, Iraqi's and to a lesser extent Armenians (with huge backing from Iran).

[ChildOfTheJin]

Your universe needs an update, mate. Haven't you even heard about last Operation Dawn carried out by TAF in Şemdinli, which killed 137 terrorists between 8-19 September? Now majority of the area is under TAF control, including the area where BDP members hugged PKK.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Dawn_%282012%29

Guess what? Its all a Turkish claim ;)

And there is only one source and it was from a pro turkish website.

Try again

[Ergenekon]

Guess what? Its all a Turkish claim ;)

And there is only one source and it was from a pro turkish website.

Try again

Because eKurd is far from pro-Kurdish website and Kışanak's words are certainly something more than just some Kurdish claim, both are very reliable sources. :rolleyes:

Anyway these "claims" were also all around TV news it's not specific to the source in the Wikipedia article.

[ChildOfTheJin]

Because eKurd is far from pro-Kurdish website and Kışanak's words are certainly something more than just some Kurdish claim, both are very reliable sources. :rolleyes:

Anyway these "claims" were also all around TV news it's not specific to the source in the Wikipedia article.

eKurd doesn't actually write articles. It gets them from all websites but only if they think it is reliable. I know some of them.

Which TV news?

The problem is is that PKK and the Turkish army both claim they have the upper hand so both of them aren't reliable. We can only find out if we actually watch the battles for ourselves.

[Kemalisté]

Turkish state has killed over 4 million Kurds in the past 100 years and you keep arresting our children! Who is the real terrorist here?

And show me sources that the PKK has done this stuff, and please, do not post Turkish website sources. Everyone knows they chat shit.

The PKK love Che Guevera. And Mandela supports the PKK. Is Mandela a terrorist?

No one believes your propaganda.

How many towns have the PKK liberated in the past few months? Semdinli was the first. The Turkish army is losing its war against the PKK. Kerdogan has realised this and thats why he is open for negotiations when before this happened he said "he will not negotiate with terrorists"

Try again :thumb001:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Ankara_bombing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Hakkâri_bus_attack
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Istanbul_bomb_blast
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Kuşadası_minibus_bombing

4 million death Kurds ? lol, what are you smoking dude :D and I know that PKK claims to love Che, but most probably he is spinning in his grave now. He was not a terrorist, he never killed civilians or babies.

And the wrong things Turkish government did in the past will not justify the terroristic actions of PKK.

[ChildOfTheJin]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Ankara_bombing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Hakkâri_bus_attack
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Istanbul_bomb_blast
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Kuşadası_minibus_bombing

4 million death Kurds ? lol, what are you smoking dude :D and I know that PKK claims to love Che, but most probably he is spinning in his grave now. He was not a terrorist, he never killed civilians or babies.

And the wrong things Turkish government did in the past will not justify the terroristic actions of PKK.

Do not confuse the PKK with TAK. The TAK is different to the PKK.

And the PKK hasn't claimed these attacks, it is only suspected that they have. No solid evidence

Explain this :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir0Dd7WkoUQ

[annihilus]

İran sınır karakollarını PJAK'a verdi... Dağa çıkanlar öldürülecek

Teslim olan bir terörist, ifadesinde önemli bilgiler verdi.


Teslim olan bir terörist çarpıcı bir iddiada bulundu. Önce dağa terörist kazandırılıyor. Sonra o teröristler saldırıya gönderiliyor. Amaç teröristlerin dağa çıkar çıkmaz öldürülmesi ve ailelere cenazelerin gitmesi. Bu yolla ailelerin devlete tepki duymasının sağlanması hedefleniyor. Tüm bu planlar Hakkari Şemdinli'de teslim olan bir teröristin ifadeleriyle ortaya çıktı.

'İRAN PJAK İLE ANLAŞTI ' İDDİASI

İfadelerde sadece bu hain plan yoktu. Teröristin iddiasına göre terör örgütünün İran kanadı PJAK, İran'la anlaşma yaptı. Anlaşma gereği İran sınırdaki karakollarını terör örgütüne bıraktı. Böylelikle terör örgütü, İran ve Rusya yapımı ağır silahlara sahip oldu. Şemdinli'de yapılmak istenen büyük saldırılarda bu ağır silahlar kullanıldı.

FEHMAN HÜSEYİN'DEN 'SURİYE SINIRINDA EYLEM ' TALİMATI

Kadın teröristin anlattıklarına göre Suriye uyruklu terörist ele başı Fehman Hüseyin, Suriye sınırında kanlı saldırılar talimatı verdi. Yaklaşık 700 kişilik bir grup, terör örgütünün Suriye kanadına destek için gönderildi. Hedef sınır bölgesinde olaylar çıkarıp dikkatleri buraya toplamak ve örgüt üzerindeki baskıyı azaltmak. Kadın terörist itiraflarında Son olarak kırsalda teröristlerin çok zor şartlar altında yaşamaya çalışırken Kandil'deki elebaşları sefa içinde olduğunu söyledi. Kadın terörist gerçeklerin farkına vardıktan Sonra uygun bir anı kollayıp kaçtığını ve güvenlik güçlerine teslim olduğunu ifade etti.

http://beyazgazete.com/haber/2012/10/9/iran-sinir-karakollarini-pjak-a-verdi-daga-cikanlar-oldurulecek-1446132.html

[Su]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Ankara_bombing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Hakkâri_bus_attack
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Istanbul_bomb_blast
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Kuşadası_minibus_bombing

4 million death Kurds ? lol, what are you smoking dude :D and I know that PKK claims to love Che, but most probably he is spinning in his grave now. He was not a terrorist, he never killed civilians or babies.

And the wrong things Turkish government did in the past will not justify the terroristic actions of PKK.

He must have been smoking something very strong.

[Osprey]

eKurd doesn't actually write articles. It gets them from all websites but only if they think it is reliable. I know some of them.

Which TV news?

The problem is is that PKK and the Turkish army both claim they have the upper hand so both of them aren't reliable. We can only find out if we actually watch the battles for ourselves.

Yes. Like in the Eastern Front of World War II, Germans reported they had killed millions of Slavs while lost only a few thousand, Russians reported the opposite.

[dandelion]

What exactly makes this thread worth creating?:confused::confused:

That a journalist took an interview 20 years ago?