WOOHP vs Iberians

[Optimus]

I nominate Spaniards,Albanians, and Serbs.

[Mordid]

Nero, no doubt.

[Rouxinol]

Another thread on this? Use search...

[Optimus]

Another thread on this? Use search...

I mean nationwise as a collective bunch.

[Lithium]

Karl, he even tries to makes his entire ethnicity from Baltic to Nordic :D

[Optimus]

I mean nationwise as a collective bunch.

I edited the thread title.It is nationwise.Despite Spaniards,Albanians and Serbs i also nominate Armenians and Turks.

[sturmwalkure]

China.

[safinator]

Macedonians

[Mordid]

Japan, the biggest Asianordicist nations
Fixed.

[Rouxinol]

I mean nationwise as a collective bunch.

Hard to tell. There's this sort of fixation with pigmentation with many users seemingly wanting to be the most progressive, tallest, fairest, blondest and bluest-eyed nation in each own's geographical region so to speak. Thinking on it and from my experience here I think that the Baltic countries would step up to the 1st place on the podium. :lol:

[Optimus]

Macedonians

If it was personal wise you would have toped the list as biggest Nordicist together with rashka and Sorab.

[safinator]

If it was personal wise you would have toped the list as biggest Nordicist together with rashka and Sorab.
I'm a Nordicist!
I learn new things everyday...

[Útrám]

Throughout my time on the anthro fora I've been getting this vibe from some of the southern anthro enthusiasts.

http://i.qkme.me/3pzxcl.jpg

[sturmwalkure]

Throughout my time on the anthro fora I've been getting this vibe from some of the southern anthro enthusiasts.

http://i.qkme.me/3pzxcl.jpg

LOL!!!

[Optimus]

Throughout my time on the anthro fora I've been getting this vibe from some of the southern anthro enthusiasts.

http://i.qkme.me/3pzxcl.jpg

This applies to our dear Albanians and Serbs.It doesn't work with swarthy Dinarids post our best Norids.:D

[Pallantides]

I nominate Spaniards,Albanians, and Serbs.

Russians should be on the list.

[Damião de Góis]

I nominate Spaniards,Albanians, and Serbs.

How do you conclude that spaniards on apricity are nordicist?

P.S. - I don't ask about the other ones because i don't know them too well.

[Gospodine]

Russians, Serbs, Albos, Spaniards, Portuguese and to a lesser extent Italians and Greeks.

And don't take it personally; no butthurt intended.

[Minesweeper]

This applies to our dear Albanians and Serbs.It doesn't work with swarthy Dinarids post our best Norids.:D

Or bring out Mr. Minesweeper, the most Aryan Aprician. ;)

[Damião de Góis]

Russians, Serbs, Albos, Spaniards, Portuguese and to a lesser extent Italians and Greeks.

And don't take it personally; no butthurt intended.

You've got to be kidding me :picard1:

[Gospodine]

Or bring out Mr. Minesweeper, the most Aryan Aprician. ;)

Metalwarrior and Minesweeper: The hope of a nation on their backs.

:D

[Panopticon]

I don't really see why Albanians are on any of those lists, from an objective point of view, there's little Nordicism going on there. That goes for other groups as well.

In many of the cases, it seems like some of the groups portrayed as being Nordicists are also some of those who object - and rightly so - to being portrayed as extra-Europeans.

Interestingly, the by far most phenotypically "Nordish or Nordid" individuals from the Balkans are also the ones who cares the least about it.

[Midori]

Russians and Balts probably.

[Gospodine]

Interestingly, the by far most phenotypically "Nordish or Nordid" individuals from the Balkans are also the ones who cares the least about it.

So then... what does Sorab look like? We have to wonder...

[Minesweeper]

So then... what does Sorab look like? We have to wonder...

I've seen him actually. He's light haired and eyed and quite robust. West Baltid maybe.

[Damião de Góis]

Things work like this on the internets: if someone posted this portuguese fan, and if i made any comment about her not being portuguese, i would be accused of "whitewashing" my country and of being a closet nordicist among other things. I experienced this recently.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-06/25/xin_450601250851375237903.gif

[Archduke]

Serbs and Armenians.

[Atlantic Islander]

You've got to be kidding me :picard1:

You have Anthropologique to thank for that.

[Breedingvariety]

Things work like this on the internets: if someone posted this portuguese fan, and if i made any comment about her not being portuguese, i would be accused of "whitewashing" my country and of being a closet nordicist among other things. I experienced this recently.
I've met one guy who looks some kind of mutt and claims to be Portuguese. So I know what you mean.

Half Negroes like to claim they are Portuguese.

Just as bad are people who think there is Brazilian nation.

[arcticwolf]

Things work like this on the internets: if someone posted this portuguese fan, and if i made any comment about her not being portuguese, i would be accused of "whitewashing" my country and of being a closet nordicist among other things. I experienced this recently.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-06/25/xin_450601250851375237903.gif

Alex why are you trying to convince us she isn't Portuguese? Are you trying to whitewash your country? Are you a closet nordicist among other things? :laugh:

[Ianus]

Some members show some nordicist view, but isn't correct to relate them to an entire country.

[Smeagol]

Croatia.

[WOOHP]

There should a poll.

Either Spain or Portugal. I would have voted Portugal just because there has been some Spanish members who didn't feel like sucking British "Atlantic facade" cock.

[Dombra]

Hard to tell any nation but Karl himself takes the cake

[Smeagol]

Oh, and Spain too.

[Damião de Góis]

There should a poll.

Either Spain or Portugal. I would have voted Portugal just because there has been some Spanish members who didn't feel like sucking British "Atlantic facade" cock.

It's definitely us. I pray to Odin every night and i'm sure Vasconcelos and Catrau do to.

[Vasconcelos]

There should a poll.

Either Spain or Portugal. I would have voted Portugal just because there has been some Spanish members who didn't feel like sucking British "Atlantic facade" cock.

Neither, really. You really should see a shrink, you can't seem o talk about anything else. Obcession is really bad for your mental health.

Oh, and your preposterous and uncalled for language is disgusting, but typical of likes of you.

[Atlantic Islander]

It's definitely us. I pray to Odin every night and i'm sure Vasconcelos and Catrau do to.


http://imageshack.us/a/img707/6298/zte.gif

[Vasconcelos]

It's definitely us. I pray to Odin every night and i'm sure Vasconcelos and Catrau do to.

Haven't I told you of our family shirne yet?

Every winter solstice we gather on our shrine atop of a mountain near Póvoa de Varzim near the viking ruins, we draw some runes on the ground, sprinkle some blood on our faces and sacrifice a black illegal immigrant to get the God's divine blessings. Last year I asked for trolls on TA and the Gods were kind enough to grant them.

[MfA_]

Albanians, Bosniaks, Dominicans, Jews.. There is only one Estonian and a Croation wacko here pretends nordicist but posters from the listed countries mostly have serious Nordicist attitude..

[WOOHP]

Neither, really. You really should see a shrink, you can't seem o talk about anything else. Obcession is really bad for your mental health.

Oh, and your preposterous and uncalled for language is disgusting, but typical of likes of you.

Oh please, go take a nightly swim in your beloved Atlantic ocean and never come back. Thanks.

[Vasconcelos]

Oh please, go take a nightly swim in your beloved Atlantic ocean and never come back. Thanks.

That behaviour fits your mentally ill types well.

[WOOHP]

That behaviour fits your mentally ill types well.

Can it be cured with water from the Atlantic ocean? If so, then I'll take the first flight to Lisbon.

[Gaijin]

There should a poll.

Either Spain or Portugal. I would have voted Portugal just because there has been some Spanish members who didn't feel like sucking British "Atlantic facade" cock.

Atlantic is Nordic now?
We learn new things everyday.

I'm sure the Portuguese identify themselves as Atlantic, because it's the only thing they relate themselves too.

Ask them about their geography, and they will answer: Atlantic.
Ask them about their history, and they will answer: Atlantic.
Ask them about their culture and they will answer: Atlantic.
As them about their people and they will answer: Atlantic.

Perhaps yourself, being more knowledgeable about Iberian cultivation, you could teach them about themselves. Foreigners are more wise about a country, than inhabitants. It seems.

[Vasconcelos]

Can it be cured with water from the Atlantic ocean? If so, then I'll take the first flight to Lisbon.

Thanks for proving my point.

[WOOHP]

Atlantic is Nordic now?

I'm sure the Portuguese identify themselves as Atlantic, because it's the only thing they relate themselves too.

That's because you force other people, from northern Europe like Brits and even Norwegians into that useless imaginary term. Have you ever wondered why it's almost exclusively Iberians who seem so eager to talk about the Atlantic facade and the "Atlantic facade brotherhood"?

You define yourself as "Atlantics" but it doesn't change the fact that your mentality, mindset, view of life and other telling information is much closer to Italians and other "Meds".

[HispaniaSagrada]

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[Atlantic Islander]

That's because you force other people, from northern Europe like Brits and even Norwegians into that useless imaginary term. Have you ever wondered why it's almost exclusively Iberians who seem so eager to talk about the Atlantic facade and the "Atlantic facade brotherhood"?

I doubt you can find an instance where an ACTUAL Iberian said that there is an "Atlantic Facade."


You define yourself as "Atlantics" but it doesn't change the fact that your mentality, mindset, view of life and other telling information is much closer to Italians and other "Meds".

Funny how Anthony Bourdain went to the Azores expecting a Mediterranean culture, and came away saying that it's not Mediterranean at all. ;)

You just can't handle that your views are wrong.

[Graham]

Have never been, but do the Galician's come across as closer to the Italian?. It seems like they have their own ways. The Basques don't even speak a Latin language.

[Smeagol]

I doubt you can find an instance where an ACTUAL Iberian said that there is an "Atlantic Facade.

Labaru in his profile.:D

[Gaijin]

That's because you force other people, from northern Europe like Brits and even Norwegians into that useless imaginary term. Have you ever wondered why it's almost exclusively Iberians who seem so eager to talk about the Atlantic facade and the "Atlantic facade brotherhood"?

You define yourself as "Atlantics" but it doesn't change the fact that your mentality, mindset view of life and other telling information is much closer to Italians and other "Meds".

Force?
I don't force anything onto anybody.
I solely identify myself accordingly to my countrys cultural costumes.

I already had this argument with you. Yet, your motor skills haven't been upgraded.
Seems to be some sort of deficiency. I won't encore this further.

I've been classified as Atlantic, I live by the Atlantic coastline, I bath in the Atlantic ocean, I practice Atlantic costumes and eat Atlantic food.

What do you want me to say? Do you want me to identify as Mediterranean, simply because you feel somewhat threatened?
That is who I am, and that is how I was born.

Just 2 months, I went to a music festival entitled "Roots of the Atlantic".
They probably got the name of the festival wrong wrong. They should have called it "Roots of the Mediterranean".

Great music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtO9bkbtdC4

[Atlantic Islander]

Labaru in his profile.:D

pretty sure he's poking fun.

[Graham]

^^^
Didn't Spain play the Gaita at this Eurovision, can remember?

[Smaug]

Britain is not a Nordic nation boyo, are you twp?

[WOOHP]

Um, nerp? Before I could wonder why I'd have to actually think it was true first.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Europe

Atlantic facade for the win, yo?

Go to Wikipedia and propose the article deletion.
Uhmm yes?

The most obsessed people with the resemblance between the popluations of the Atlantic facade here at TA are Iberians and a Brazilian member, Uhtred.

A Wikipedia article explaining the Atlantic facade as an anthropological term referring to all the people from Scandinavian/Iceland to Portugal(LOL!) should ofc not be taken seriously.
Obviously you Iberians have nothing against it, but if you showed this article to a random northwesterner they would laugh their ass off.

[Asgardsrei]

French

[WOOHP]

Force?
I don't force anything onto anybody.
I solely identify myself accordingly to my countrys cultural costumes.

Stop pretending. We both know why you guys always post that "Atlantic facade" map and why you always distance yourself from Italians when the "culture" that really matters ie: mindset, view of life, popluar culture, work ethic etc is not any different in comparision with them or other meds.

[Smaug]

Ey Whoop, calm down boyo, don't talk about me, I've got nothing to do with your PMS.

[WOOHP]

Ey Whoop, calm down boyo, don't talk about me, I've got nothing to do with your PMS.

What have I said about you that's untrue? You're a Brazilian and you seem to be very fond of the Atlantic facade. Right?

[Smeagol]

pretty sure he's poking fun.

Nope. He's an Atlantic Facade conquistador.:cool:

[Pjeter Pan]

I nominate Spaniards,Albanians, and Serbs.

Kastrioti/pleurat are the only nordist albanians idk why

[Graham]

Obviously you Iberians have nothing against it, but if you showed this article to a random northwesterner they would laugh their ass off.

They wouldn't know what it was, but would probably think of this instead. More connected to Atlantic folk music.

http://www.blog-city.info/en/img1/1020_CelticNations.jpg

[Smaug]

What have I said about you that's untrue? You're a Brazilian and you seem to be very fond of the Atlantic facade. Right?

And what do I have to do with all this shite. This is you vs. Iberians, don't put me in the middle of this war. As a Celt I see nothing wrong with Iberians being proud of their Celtic ancestry.

[Äike]

Karl, he even tries to makes his entire ethnicity from Baltic to Nordic :D

Estonians have never been Baltic, lol. What's next? Bulgarians are Illyrian?

There are like 4000 Balts living in Estonia.

[WOOHP]

They wouldn't know what it was, but would probably think of this instead. More connected to Atlantic folk music.

http://www.blog-city.info/en/img1/1020_CelticNations.jpg

Since when is Galicia a Celtic nation? They don't even speak a Celtic language.

I don't know where you got that picture from but this is from Wiki about "Celtic nations". Don't know why the Channel Islands are included though.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6e/Map_of_Celtic_Nations-flag_shades.svg

[Atlantic Islander]

that really matters ie: mindset, view of life, popluar culture, work ethic etc is not any different in comparision with them or other meds.

Your ignorance is hilarious.

[WOOHP]

And what do I have to do with all this shite. This is you vs. Iberians, don't put me in the middle of this war. As a Celt I see nothing wrong with Iberians being proud of their Celtic ancestry.

But it was part of my comment to show that the members here who seem so freakishly obsessed with the Atlantic facade are mostly Iberians with the exception being you(a Brazilian).

[WOOHP]

Your ignorance is hilarious.

Why do you hate Italy so much that you feel like every post you make needs to distance the Portuguese from the Italians?

[Atlantic Islander]

Why do you hate Italy so much that you feel like every post you make needs to distance the Portuguese from the Italians?

I don't hate Italy. Saying that we are basically the same people is a lie. We are not allowed to have our own unique culture?

[Gaijin]

^^^
Didn't Spain play the Gaita at this Eurovision, can remember?

I have no idea.
I don't watch Eurovision.

Here is another video. This is perhaps more illustrative.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8JrVqBJHjs

The instruments played by the band are strictly traditional Portuguese, with origins in Trás-os-Montes and Minho.
Such musical instruments include the Bagpipe, Bombo and Cavaquinho.

Below are images of the Band.
I can't find an image where they were all frontwards holding the instruments.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/8055_330304523722215_1521352177_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s720x720/64266_448225138596819_1117663154_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s720x720/579002_448224968596836_1515787969_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/301513_448224675263532_1758764989_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s720x720/582065_448224451930221_1006954358_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/s720x720/428866_330320500387284_1118298740_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/s720x720/562850_330320707053930_908667422_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/428417_330320390387295_1083809126_n.jpg

[WOOHP]

I don't hate Italy. Saying that we are basically the same people is a lie. We are not allowed to have our own unique culture?

No one has said that. Don't worry your still "Atlantic".

Read again what I wrote. There is a difference between Culture and "Culture".

[Smaug]

But it was part of my comment to show that the members here who seem so freakishly obsessed with the Atlantic facade are mostly Iberians with the exception being you(a Brazilian).

Oh please, I'm not obsessed with it, for me it is a reality as much as the Nordic nations. And I'm not the only non-Iberian who supports the idea, Anthropologique does it as well.

[Not a Cop]

Estonians have never been Baltic, lol. What's next? Bulgarians are Illyrian?

There are like 4000 Balts living in Estonia.

Are you Atlantic then?

[Atlantic Islander]

No one has said that. Don't worry your still "Atlantic".

Read again what I wrote. There is a difference between Culture and "Culture".

My ancestors lived in the middle of the North Atlantic for 500 years. This is my culture (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?94277-Azores-Travel-Article), deal with it. :ranger:

[WOOHP]

My ancestors lived in the middle of the North Atlantic for 500 years. This is my culture (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?94277-Azores-Travel-Article), deal with it. :ranger:

I don't want to deal with you at all. You're a hypocrite.

[Balmung]

Russians should be on the list.

Most Russians i know around here are lighter and taller than a lot of the Anglos & Germans (the self proclaimed ones that is) with even more defined cheek & jawbones than them.

[Atlantic Islander]

I don't want to deal with you at all.

You always try to stop the conversation once you've been proven wrong. Funny how that goes.

My culture in a nutshell:



The Cultural Appeal of an Azores Cruise

Social life on the Azores Islands tends to center on the family. People from Flanders, Belgium settled in the Azores beginning in 1450. These Flemish settlers played an important role in the creation of the Azorean culture. And many other inhabitants settled the islands after leaving their home province in Portugal, bringing with them local culture, including their language. Today, visitors on a cruise of the Azores will hear Portuguese being spoke, which is the official language of the islands.

Gothic elements from the initial settlement period appear in a few churches and buildings. Renaissance and Baroque architecture is present even today. Ties with Flanders in the 16th and 17th centuries provide the Azores with Flemish sculptures. Each island has both art and ethnographic museums.

Cultural festivals are a way of life in the Azores. Religious feelings are expressed in celebrations, such as the festival of the Holy Spirit that helps to preserve the past. Inhabitants also celebrate Fat Tuesday as well as Semana dos Baleeriros (whaler’s week) in Lajes do Pico. During an Azores cruise, you can enjoy the local wine festivals and religious processions, plus celebrations of folk dancing and cattle play. Bullfighting by rope is a colorful activity that takes place in the plazas of various towns on the island of Terceira.

Locals and visitors enjoy the recreational culture that the islands provide. The Azores are ideal for sailing, windsurfing, rowing and surfing. Fishing, especially for large-game fish, is also popular. Many of the islands also offer challenging golf courses as well as enjoyable tennis opportunities.

It's a hybrid culture. Nothing more, nothing less.

So stop trying to tell people what they are, you have no clue.

[Benacer]

You always try to stop the conversation once you've been proven wrong. Funny how that goes.

My culture in a nutshell:



It's a hybrid culture. Nothing more, nothing less.

So stop trying to tell people what they are, you have no clue.

Oh, he definitely knows more about your culture than yourself. He's read about it on the Internet.

[HispaniaSagrada]

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[Guapo]

albanians or iberians

[HispaniaSagrada]

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[Smaug]

Indeed, another point Woohp my friend is that there's no reason why someone wouldn't like to be associated with Italy. Why would Iberians want it? What's wrong with Italy?

[Ouistreham]

"People from Flanders, Belgium settled in the Azores beginning in 1450. These Flemish settlers played an important role in the creation of the Azorean culture.
Ties with Flanders in the 16th and 17th centuries..."
It's a hybrid culture. Nothing more, nothing less.
This Germanic legacy is far from obvious when we look at those Azorean school-children:
http://www.holidaysinazores.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Escola-Poço-Velho.jpg
They may be nice kids but they don't seem differ significantly from conventional continental Portuguese young people.

[Atlantic Islander]

This Germanic legacy is far from obvious when we look at those Azorean school-children:
They may be nice kids but they don't seem differ significantly from conventional continental Portuguese young people.

Whoever said there was a big genetic impact? And who would even care about that?

It's a cultural and architectural influence.

[Anthropologique]

Indeed, another point Woohp my friend is that there's no reason why someone wouldn't like to be associated with Italy. Why would Iberians want it? What's wrong with Italy?

WOOHP has a major problem with perspective. He misunderstands what the Atlantic facade (AF) is. Maybe his myopia is having a serious impact on his cognitive processes. He just loves to treat everything in racial terms - not surprising since he's always operating under a very selective and biased world view.

The Atlantic facade goes back to the Bronze and Iron ages. It is exceedingly well documented that significant and continuous social and commercial exchange occurred between Iberia, Armorica (Brittany), the British Isles and further north. The genetic composition changed with the Norse invasions of the NW - much more substantial than in Iberia. However, the cultural connections continue - music, traditions, etc. Even today there are social and cultural organizations emphasizing the Atlantic Facade, such as the "Atlantic Arch." There is also an ancient shared genetic substratum that has been well researched.

Now, as far as linguistics goes, the Celtic languages of the Atlantic facade may well have been influenced by Tartessian (SW Iberia script), which could be the oldest Celtic language of all. At the very least, there are Celtic elements to it. Fully 70% (the Celtic population) of Iberia was part and parcel of the Atlantic Celtic / Atlantic facade world. Currently there are efforts to reconstruct the Celtic and Proto-Celtic languages of the Iberian west, such as Galaeic and Lusitanian (already partially reconstructed).

The Atlantic facade is a socio-cultural - even somewhat political - reality that very much exists and will surely strengthen, especially when there are documented Galaeic and Lusitanian (there are currently ~ 100 speakers of this language) speakers. Celticity is the capstone of Atlantic facade culture and, to a lesser extent, ethnicity.

To say that NW Iberia is not Celtic influenced today is plain ludicrous. To deny the Celticity of one Celtic nation is to deny the Celticity of ALL Celtic lands.

[Smaug]

WOOHP has a major problem with perspective. He misunderstands what the Atlantic facade (AF) is. Maybe his myopia is having a serious impact on his cognitive processes. He just loves to treat everything in racial terms - not surprising since he's always operating under a very selective and biased world view.

The Atlantic facade goes back to the Bronze and Iron ages. It's is exceedingly well documented that significant and continuous social and commercial exchange occurred between Iberia, Armorica (Brittany), the British Isles and further north. The genetic composition changed with the Norse invasions of the NW - much more substantial than in Iberia. However, the cultural connections continue - music, traditions, etc. Even today there are social and cultural organizations emphasizing the Atlantic Facade, such as the "Atlantic Arch." There is also an ancient shared genetic substratum that has been well researched.

Now, as far as linguistics goes, the Celtic languages of the Atlantic facade may well have been influenced by Tartessian (SW Iberia script), which may be the oldest Celtic language of all. At the very least, there are Celtic elements to it. Fully 70% (the Celtic population) of Iberia was part and parcel of the Atlantic Celtic / Atlantic facade world. Currently there are efforts to reconstruct the Celtic and Proto-Celtic languages of the Iberian west, such as Galaeic and Lusitanian (already partially reconstructed).

The Atlantic facade is a socio-cultural - even somewhat political - reality that very much exists and will surely strengthen, especially when there are documented Galaeic and Lusitanian (there are currently ~ 100 speakers of this language) speakers. Celticity is the capstone of Atlantic facade culture and, to a lesser extent, ethnicity.

To say that NW Iberia is not Celtic influenced today is ludicrous.

Perfect!

[Aunt Hilda]

Karl, he even tries to makes his entire ethnicity from Baltic to Nordic :D
yep.

[HispaniaSagrada]

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[HispaniaSagrada]

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[Anthropologique]

To me, that's a relief. Just try to tell certain Azorean independentists that.

Another myopic individual. This place is filled with outre' "thinking."

[Anthropologique]

And if you could only read (maybe you can?) what Carlos Castelo says about the Konii and their language it might blow your mind. His book is supposed to come out this year. He told me he'd save me one. Unfortunately most Portuguese don't care about this kind of stuff.

Yes, I read Portuguese well. I'll look for it.

You should read Celtic from the West (2010, 2011) Cunliffe and Koch eds.

[HispaniaSagrada]

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[Smeagol]

Bengalis here are quite Nordicist.

[Shah-Jehan]

Ze Mischling here in tehapricity:D

[Smeagol]

Ze Mischling here in tehapricity:D

So me, and Anglojew only are the most Nordicist?

[Anthropologique]

Thanks. Full name is Carlos Alberto Basilio Castelo and he's an epigraphist.

You can start here:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?77539-Origin-of-Portuguese-amp-Castilian-has-Always-Been-the-Same-%28Latin-came-from-Proto-Iberian-Konii%29

He's also planning to come out with a book on Atlantis.

The Konii may well have ben Celtic. Read Tartessian (2009) and Tartessian 2 (2011) By J. Koch, University of Wales.

[Anthropologique]

Bengalis here are quite Nordicist.

Bengalis are highly delusional when it comes to race.

[Shah-Jehan]

Bengalis are highly delusional when it comes to race.

My heavens:D

[Smeagol]

Bengalis are highly delusional when it comes to race.

Very true.

[Smeagol]

My heavens:D

I see what you did there.

[Anthropologique]

My heavens:D

Really? You disagree?

[Shah-Jehan]

Really? You disagree?

Yes, Captain Obvious...

[Rouxinol]

Whoever said there was a big genetic impact? And who would even care about that?
It's a cultural and architectural influence.

En français on dirait « On s'en fout ! ». Perhaps he understands better in his own non-Germanic language. :lol:

[WOOHP]

You might be right but I have no clue what you're talking about so I couldn't say.
It's the truth. The mindset is far more similar to that of Italy than lets say Britain or Scandinavia. The Germanic countries differ quite alot in comparision with other parts of Europe.

Are you hung up on the Brazilian thing because it suits your argument trying to connect it with Iberians? You seem to ignore that he's Welsh.
Again, what's so wrong about my statement? He is infact a Brazilian and he's quite fond of the "Atlantic facade". Why, well Idk but I have my guesses ofc.

I'm not really. Can you make me a list of those who are obsessed? And post examples? It shouldn't be too laborious :rolleyes:
Pretty much the vast majority of all Iberians. The reason why is simple. It associates you guys with Brits and even Scandinavians and distance you from other southern Europeans. You don't care that the term is pretty much useless when it comes to culture, physical anthropology and genetics

That's why i suggested you go there and ask for a deletion. You do seem to get a point though in that it appears that Wiki Project Portugal is the only one that claimed the article, but a few Wikifreaks out of millions isn't saying much.
Whatever. Obviously they know very little about Europe if they think that the anthropological continument from Iceland/Scandinavia to Portugal is that strong that a new term had to be created.

The only northwest I care about is the northwest of the Iberian peninsula and it's I who randomly gets called Celtic brother by Irish and the like who have strong Celtic identities. I think it's sweet but I don't pay much mind and I don't really care about most of France, either.
Ok sure. Irish Americans you mean? Yes they go hard with the Celtic thingy, everything just to distance themself from the Anglo and so they can "stick out" from other whites in America.

Huh? What are you talking about? Real culture versus fake culture?
No. There is a difference between culture like typical dishes, folk dances and such things and "culture" like mindset, view of life, work ethic, family and so on. Iberians are ofc much closer to Italians if we go by the latter.

But they have culture. It's true that the League of Celtic nations says you have to have a Celtic language because their definition of nation seems to be that language comes first but culture counts for a lot. If you want to say it's not Celtic you are denying history.
The Celtic language died out long time ago in Gallicia. There should be no exception just because they once were Celtic speaking. Why not just include whole of France/Britain then?

Could this kid pass in Ireland or somewhere similar?
:confused:

[Behrouz]

Jews

[Atlantic Islander]

useless when it comes to culture, physical anthropology and genetics
No. There is a difference between culture like typical dishes, folk dances and such things and "culture" like mindset, view of life, work ethic, family and so on.


You tell people not to pretend to have knowledge on groups they no nothing of, and yet here you are pretending you have knowledge on groups you know nothing of.

[WOOHP]

WOOHP has a major problem with perspective. He misunderstands what the Atlantic facade (AF) is. Maybe his myopia is having a serious impact on his cognitive processes. He just loves to treat everything in racial terms - not surprising since he's always operating under a very selective and biased world view.

The Atlantic facade goes back to the Bronze and Iron ages. It is exceedingly well documented that significant and continuous social and commercial exchange occurred between Iberia, Armorica (Brittany), the British Isles and further north. The genetic composition changed with the Norse invasions of the NW - much more substantial than in Iberia. However, the cultural connections continue - music, traditions, etc. Even today there are social and cultural organizations emphasizing the Atlantic Facade, such as the "Atlantic Arch." There is also an ancient shared genetic substratum that has been well researched.

Now, as far as linguistics goes, the Celtic languages of the Atlantic facade may well have been influenced by Tartessian (SW Iberia script), which could be the oldest Celtic language of all. At the very least, there are Celtic elements to it. Fully 70% (the Celtic population) of Iberia was part and parcel of the Atlantic Celtic / Atlantic facade world. Currently there are efforts to reconstruct the Celtic and Proto-Celtic languages of the Iberian west, such as Galaeic and Lusitanian (already partially reconstructed).

The Atlantic facade is a socio-cultural - even somewhat political - reality that very much exists and will surely strengthen, especially when there are documented Galaeic and Lusitanian (there are currently ~ 100 speakers of this language) speakers. Celticity is the capstone of Atlantic facade culture and, to a lesser extent, ethnicity.

To say that NW Iberia is not Celtic influenced today is plain ludicrous. To deny the Celticity of one Celtic nation is to deny the Celticity of ALL Celtic lands.

There is no such thing as Atlantic culture. You can't even define it. Ok so both Brits, Bretons and Gallicians play the bagpipe which is a leftover of their Celtic heritage. What does that have to do with the things that really matters? If you want to talk about real culture, a tie that also goes together with genetics and anthropology then start to speak about the North Sea brotherhood. Work ethic, mindset, how people treat family, the general view of life is practically the same from Britain to Scandinavian to Germany/Benelux. Their Germanic input is strong and visible in every regard, it's what's made the people there what they are today. Iberians share nothing with Brits in that regard other than both belonging to the Western world along side with many other countries.

Oh and the reason to why there are 100 speakers is because they have constructed it. Probably people no less obsessed than you with the Atlantic facade and who hate the Roman legacy in Spain who created this new "language".

[WOOHP]

You tell people not to pretend to have knowledge on groups they no nothing of, and yet here you are pretending you have knowledge on groups you know nothing of.

It's just common sense to know that the Portuguese are no different than other south Euros regarding the things above. You have a shitty economy - your work ethic differs a lot. I'm quite sure that siesta is something common in the summer, you're also more religious than other western Euros just like Italians and with that you're also less liberal when it comes to having children before marriage and divorce.

This is what matters. How people live their life and what their mindset is.

Religiousness in Europe. Only exception is the Catholic Ireland. Just to give an example of how different the mindset can be within the "Atlantic facade".

"I believe there is a God"


Malta 94%
Romania 92%
Cyprus 88%
Greece 79%
Poland 79%
Italy 74%
Republic of Ireland 70%
Portugal 70%
Slovakia 63%
Spain 59%
Lithuania 47%
Luxembourg 46%
Hungary 45%
Austria 44%
Germany 44%
Latvia 38%
United Kingdom 37%
Belgium 37%
Bulgaria 36%
Finland 33%
Slovenia 32%
Denmark 28%
Netherlands 28%
France 27%
Estonia 18%
Sweden 18%
Czech Republic 16%

[Vasconcelos]

Your ignorance about my country really shows, please shut up and talk about something you actually know a thing or two.

[WOOHP]

This Germanic legacy is far from obvious when we look at those Azorean school-children:
http://www.holidaysinazores.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Escola-Poço-Velho.jpg
They may be nice kids but they don't seem differ significantly from conventional continental Portuguese young people.

Ohh. Look, their look a likes from Britain

http://web.archive.org/web/20130827064146/http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8027/7297605982_b8329f9387_k.jpg

You know what. They resemble them so much that we need to create a new term. I know! - "The Atlantic facade brotherhood"
:picard2:

People need to understand that the overlap between Northwest and Southwest Europe isn't any greater than the overlap between Northeast and Southeast part of Europe. Northerners closer to other Northerners and the same thing with Southerners.

[Rouxinol]

It's just common sense to know that the Portuguese are no different than other south Euros regarding the things above. You have a shitty economy - your work ethic differs a lot. I'm quite sure that siesta is something common in the summer, you're also more religious than other western Euros just like Italians and with that you're also less liberal when it comes to having children before marriage and divorce.

This is what matters. How people live their life and what their mindset is.

Religiousness in Europe. Only exception is the Catholic Ireland. Just to give an example of how different the mindset can be within the "Atlantic facade".

"I believe there is a God"

There's no such thing as the "siesta" in Portugal (that word isn't even Portuguese). It's something that is not socially acceptable. But just for your own personal regal, I've heard on the news at FranceInfo that some German trade unions would love to implement the right to the nap in their constitution (!). Ouch! So much for hard work. Do yourself a favor and learn some languages or whatever that might get you a little bit of culture and then listen to this: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?93148-L-Allemagne-milite-pour-le-droit-à-la-sieste-au-travail&highlight=allemagne+sieste. I quote some phrases:

« L'image sociale que nous avons de la sieste depends du pays (...) En Europe du sud et dans les pays méditerranéens, dont la France fait partie, c'est un peu tabou et synonyme de paresse (...) alors que dans d'autres pays ce n'est pas forcement le cas, notamment dans les pays anglo-saxons (...). »

Now, if you don't get it, go Google translate it.

As to religiousness: well, those numbers must be outdated, or people simply say they're Catholic because they were baptized - not because they actually practice it. Just as an exemple, my sister is divorced and is a single mother and there's no social stigma associated to her because of her own life options. Besides, gay marriage is allowed since 2010 (civil unions since more than a decade ago), whereas in your Germanic wonderland some countries still regard it - apparently - as a sin (Germany, for instance).

This forum is so full of deranged individuals that it nauseates me. I wonder why I come back from time to time. It's just sickening.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

During my siesta I wondered why almost every post I've come across from WOOHP is about Iberians in some way. Now I acknowledge some of the Iberian posters here are annoying but it takes a special person to be constantly biting at their heels, while most people who are annoyed by them don't make it their crusade to put Iberians "in their place."

His observation of Portuguese sucking Atlantic facade British cock is new to me. First time I've come across that observation in the fascinating but disturbing world of race forums.

[Gaijin]

The Iberians actually share a mindset and history very similar to those of the British Isles.

In the same way England took over, Northern Ireland.
Spain took over Galicia and Olivença.

In the same way Portugal escaped Spanish captivity.
The Irish escaped British captivity.

In the same way Iberians launched themselves for conquest of the new world. So did the English.

I could fill this whole thread with Cultural values, that time has not consumed.
Starting with Architecture.

The Western Megaliths, that spawned from Iberia to Britain.
I won't bother with Menhirs. Use google

Irish Dolmen (Burren):
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a3/Poulnabrone_Portal_Tomb_640x480.jpg

Portuguese Dolmen (Alentejo):
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/Anta_no_Monte_da_Ordem_I.jpg/800px-Anta_no_Monte_da_Ordem_I.jpg

Passing through the Celtic Iron Age, Round houses.

Britain (Wales):
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/91/Celtic_Village_St_Fagans_01.JPG/800px-Celtic_Village_St_Fagans_01.JPG

Portugal (Citânia de Briteiros):
http://allunos.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/citania_briteiros.jpg

I already posted Folklore traditions. But if you haven't seen it.
I'll re-post it, as below: (I won't post any instruments, since I already did in prior pages)

English Folk Dance (Morris dance):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATXMZJyvhkc

Portuguese Folk dance (Pauliteiros dance):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVhBM_mAfhs

Even the selection of wardrobe seems to exhibit striking similarities.

Irish (Flat cap):
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3163/2779374868_a7faecc1b3.jpg?v=0

Portuguese (Boina):
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-fYN7Kuq39cw/UW8V4xf7ZtI/AAAAAAAAERs/LyZGlwZ88U4/s1600/velhos.jpg

And at one time, both had similar Flags.

English Flag:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/be/Flag_of_England.svg/250px-Flag_of_England.svg.png

First Portuguese Flag:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/PortugueseFlag1095.svg/150px-PortugueseFlag1095.svg.png

Surprisingly Portugal (Lisbon) also shares the same tome zone with England (London).


I could elaborate this post even further. With bigger and smaller comparisons.
But instead, I'll let you drown in your own delusions.
Besides, I may be accused of wanting to be British. After this refute.

http://www.bpea.co.uk/resources/alianca%20luso%20britanica.jpg

As for Religion and Mindset. That's something very subjective to talk about. But as you wish...
I couldn't think of a better way to end this post, after your omissions of hostility towards Iberians.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-zDtaUZ5yuWE/Ujro5fzxEqI/AAAAAAAAFYo/3-l7ePFLVg4/s558/Atlantic%2520mindset.png

Just because the Portuguese do not relate themselves to the more Mediterranean Italians. It doesn't mean they want to be British.

Interpret things more often.

Portuguese are Southern Europeans, but not Mediterranean.
Southern European =/= Mediterranean

You are no jury to dictate ones identity.
Starting with the fact, that you are not even European.

I don't need an outlander telling me what I am, or what I should be.
Especially some alien mongrel from America.

This is my last reply to you in this forum, WHOOP. Hopefully we won't cross words again.
In the meantime, perhaps you will grow out of your typical American and ignorant mindset.

Goodbye.

[HispaniaSagrada]

fghfghf

[Atlantic Islander]

This is what matters. How people live their life and what their mindset is.

And you know absolutely nothing about the mindset and life of people you have never met and have zero knowledge of. (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/entry.php?434-Characterization-of-the-azorean-types)


You know what. They resemble them so much that we need to create a new term. I know! - "The Atlantic facade brotherhood"

Learn to read. Cultural influence does not equal genetic & physical influence.

http://imageshack.us/a/img812/9517/nguz.png


I went on tour with a few other staff members ALL over the gorgeous island of Faial. They have flemish architecture (a combo of Dutch/Belgian), sheep, and rolling hills. Looked a lot like England actually. They say the weather expectancy in one day= all 4 seasons, and it was true! We had sun, warm, rain, fog and freeze.

http://imageshack.us/a/img855/9585/mg9.gif

[Empecinado]

Spain took over Galicia



WTF???!!!!

[WOOHP]

There's no such thing as the "siesta" in Portugal (that word isn't even Portuguese). It's something that is not socially acceptable. But just for your own personal regal, I've heard on the news at FranceInfo that some German trade unions would love to implement the right to the nap in their constitution (!). Ouch! So much for hard work. Do yourself a favor and learn some languages or whatever that might get you a little bit of culture and then listen to this: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?93148-L-Allemagne-milite-pour-le-droit-à-la-sieste-au-travail&highlight=allemagne+sieste. I quote some phrases:
Obviously I'm not gonna take your words for it. The Portuguese mindset is very different than that of Northern Europe.

The siesta is the traditional daily sleep of the Iberia peninsula and through Spanish influence, of Latin American countries. Afternoon sleep is also a common habit in China, India, Italy ( riposo in Italian), Greece, Croatia, Malta, The Middle East and North Africa. In these countries, the heat can be unbearable in the early afternoon, making a midday break in the comfort of one’s home ideal. However, in some countries where naps are taken, such as Northern Spain, Southern Argentina, and Chile, the climate is similar to that of Canada and Northern Europe. Besides the climate, in many countries with this habit it is common to have the largest meal of the day in the afternoon, in contrast with other countries where only a lighter lunch is taken.



« L'image sociale que nous avons de la sieste depends du pays (...) En Europe du sud et dans les pays méditerranéens, dont la France fait partie, c'est un peu tabou et synonyme de paresse (...) alors que dans d'autres pays ce n'est pas forcement le cas, notamment dans les pays anglo-saxons (...). »
Why bring that up when we have raw numbers showing that Germany is the richest country in Europe with a high GDP/capita. The German work ethic is praised all over the world. Portugal is on the other hand the poorest non-former Soviet country in the EU.



As to religiousness: well, those numbers must be outdated, or people simply say they're Catholic because they were baptized - not because they actually practice it. Just as an exemple, my sister is divorced and is a single mother and there's no social stigma associated to her because of her own life options. Besides, gay marriage is allowed since 2010 (civil unions since more than a decade ago), whereas in your Germanic wonderland some countries still regard it - apparently - as a sin (Germany, for instance).
No they are not outdated, it's from 2010. Just fking deal with. No I don't care about you sister. Gosh :picard2:


This forum is so full of deranged individuals that it nauseates me. I wonder why I come back from time to time. It's just sickening.
I wonder why you don't move back to your Atlantic Portugal and leave behind the hot-blooded Meds of France?

[Rouxinol]

I wonder why you don't move back to your Atlantic Portugal and leave behind the hot-blooded Meds of France?

I can't move back because actually I've never left my Atlantic Portugal (other than temporarily for traveling or study). L-O-L.

The rest of your post is pure, stinky bullshit so I won't even mind to take on it.

[MelinusMargos]

The funny thing is that these coincidences are purely casual ahaha, so Lombardy is part of the atlantic facade too, and all of europe probably.

Lombardy Historical Flag
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/80/Bandiera_Lombardia.jpg

Sweden Flag
http://www.33ff.com/flags/XL_flags/Sweden_flag.gif

Norway Flag
http://0.tqn.com/d/goscandinavia/1/0/F/-/-/-/norway-flag.gif

Just to name a few...

Folk dance from Lombardy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSANNz5xjW

An instrument far older than the Bagpipe, Lombardy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOAPY00GgOo

A typically southern Italian/sicilian cap, Coppola.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b6/Uomo_siciliano.jpg/120px-Uomo_siciliano.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-zDtaUZ5yuWE/Ujro5fzxEqI/AAAAAAAAFYo/3-l7ePFLVg4/s558/Atlantic%2520mindset.png

This is a mere coincidence, and that lifestyle is not so uniquely Atlantic, pretty much the same in most christian europe.
To get an idea about iberian lifestyle check out Spanish telenovelas: the behaviour of the people is nowhere close to british ones.

This thing of the atlantic fuckade is so exagerated. There is a link but it's very subtle. The only thing in common between these atlantic countries is this:(and it's not limited to only spain, brittany and UK/Ireland).
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae39/Cedo2_2010/MapoflateNeolithicandearlyBronzeAgeculturesinEurop efromapproximately5000to4500yearsago.jpg?t=1285194 371

[WOOHP]

Sure, you're "sure." And in Portugal it's called "sesta" and the Anglos have their tea time.
Striking resemblance. Tea time in England is around 5-6 PM, that's after work. Siesta is usually from midday to three or four.
Not to mention how different the two are. Comparing tea time with siesta??

That would be wonderful but what people say and what people do are two different things. Not that I care about being associated with Scandos, but you're hell bent on making the Atlantic Facade seem fallacious by insisting that "what matters" is how people live now, when I don't think that's what it means exactly. You didn't read what Anthropologique wrote or couldn't understand.
Oh. First of all the term Atlantic facade is used here by Iberians(who else?) in physical anthropological/phenotypical purposes too. There are some Celtic leftovers in both cultures, no one has denied that.


So, you're the authority? OK, remember that when the Brits are having their tea time.

Why don't you argue there's no Europe based on the same principles? Or do you?
What the hell? Why do you bring up tea time again? Seriously.



How would you know?
You're responding me without reading my post:

You have a shitty economy - your work ethic differs a lot. I'm quite sure that siesta is something common in the summer, you're also more religious than other western Euros just like Italians and with that you're also less liberal when it comes to having children before marriage and divorce
These things don't apply to Portugal/Spain?


But he's Welsh. He's just Brazilian like how I'm American, "der," unless you know something I don't.
He's a Brazilian of Welsh ancestry. It's different.


That's non-responsive (just like a lot of what you say)

Besides, we don't need to make ourselves closer to Scandos in order to distance ourselves from Italians. We just are what we are. We're our own group. To do what you claim we do would be unnecessary.
No it isn't. LOL. The reason why you're even answering me is because you hate the fact that I think you're culturally closer to Italians. No Iberian would ever argue with someone saying that Brits and Iberians are close culturally or/and phenotypically. It's so fking obvious.


Why should the term be relevant to what you think it should be? You remind me of a guy who didn't like the word "slut" He would make all kinds of arguments about how sluts really don't exist and dissect the definition of the word, it was pretty pathetic, but what it came down to was he just didn't like the word because it has a negative connotation and he was one and a perv. You can dislike the term, you might not want to use it, but it has a meaning and it is what it is, so what does it matter whether it does have to do or what it doesn't have to do with what you say?
What meaning does it have? That Celts used to live in Iberia and Britain long time ago? There is no geneticall overlap between Iberians and Brits. Brits are closer to Poles and much, much closer to Germans, Dutch and Scandos.
The phenotypicall resemblance is not any greater than that of SE and NE Europe. But you don't see Eastern Euros being so freakishly obsessed with that.
All you have is the ancient Celticity. Nothing strong or significant. But ofc to you Iberians it is. Everyone wants to make their ethnicity more Northern than it actually is, especially southern Euros. That's why the gibberish about the Atlantic facade is far more widespread among Iberian members here, and not Brits, Scandos or Dutch.

Irish period. In person. On the web.

I've met few people who know what Gallicia is, nonetheless to think they are Celts.


If you say so. It's the opposite strategy you take then, I guess.
What do you mean? I'm not Irish.


Oh OK so culture is gastronomy, folk dances and such things and "culture" is worldview and so on. Shit, it takes being a psychic to know what the fuck you're talking about.
No respond? The mindset of the Portuguese and the way of life in Southern Europe is vastly different than than of Northern Europe. No wonder why the European Union is such a mess.


I didn't say include them. Also, I'm now starting to see why you annoy the others so much.
Ofc. Because you're one of those Iberians who say that they don't care about Brits and the Atlantic facade but as fast as someone mentions that you have a cultural/anthropological tie with Italy, you quickly respond.

[Rouxinol]

Striking resemblance. Tea time in England is around 5-6 PM, that's after work. Siesta is usually from midday to three or four.
Not to mention how different the two are. Comparing tea time with siesta??

In French, c'est la sieste. :lightbul:

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

The siesta exists because it's hot in Spain and, shockingly, it's hotter at certain hours of the day than other hours (take my word for it.) These hours are made up later in the day. Children come home from school much later, for example, than American children.

btw, tea time is faggy.

[Gaijin]

WTF???!!!!

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c0/Crown_of_Castile_-_Map.gif/240px-Crown_of_Castile_-_Map.gif

[Empecinado]

All you have is the ancient Celticity. Nothing strong or significant.


Celtic remainings are present in architecture (the traditional shepherd cottages are like the Celtic ones), symbology (the solar cross), folklore (Wild Hunt, Santa Compaña...), feasts (Samaín, Magosto) and in the assembly organization of the villages (until it was abolished in the 19th century but still survives in some towns).

Maybe nothing significant for nowadays, when most of people are living cities and have lost the link with it, but such lost happens anywhere. Or do you think an average French living in a big city has any significant Celtic cultural heritage?


http://www.concellosamos.es/portal_localweb/RecursosWeb/IMAGENES/3/0_614_1.jpg

http://www.turgalicia.es/imaxes/mdaw/mdy1/~edisp/~extract/TURGA065915~1~staticrendition/tg_carrusel_cabecera_grande.jpg

[Empecinado]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c0/Crown_of_Castile_-_Map.gif/240px-Crown_of_Castile_-_Map.gif

Galicia never belonged to Portugal, but first to Asturias kindgom and later to Leon one before Leon was annexed to Castile.

[HispaniaSagrada]

fghfgh

[Gaijin]

Galicia never belonged to Portugal, but first to Asturias kindgom and later to Leon one before Leon was annexed to Castile.

Heh?
I never said Galicia belonged to Portugal.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
Isn't Spain a collection of Kingdoms, in the same way the United Kingdom is?

[HispaniaSagrada]

fghf

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Galicia never belonged to Portugal, but first to Asturias kindgom and later to Leon one before Leon was annexed to Castile.

The map doesn't indicate it belonged to Portugal.

However, Galician nobles have had many conflicts with Castillians. Shizzle was finally settled in 1482 when Ferdinand and Isabel came with an army to let everyone know what's what. They weren't happy that the Galician nobility favored the Portuguese side during the Castillian civil war and since Isabela won she was looking to knock some heads.

[Empecinado]

Heh?
I never said Galicia belong to Portugal.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
Isn't Spain a collection Kingdoms, in the say way is the United Kingdom is?

You was comparing Galicia with Olivenza. Spain was created by a collection of kingdoms which considered themselves to be heirs of the old kingdom of Hispania.

[Rouxinol]

I quite appreciate tea time and those marvelous buttered scones. As for the French here, they're totally unrepresentative of the traditional French thought. One of them is a self-hating germanophile that would've sold France to Germany back in 1940 and the other one isn't French at all but rather some American mutt amidst an identitity crisis. Don't blame the French.

[Loki]

Italians are the greatest Nordicists.

[Gaijin]

You was comparing Galicia with Olivenza. Spain was created by a collection of kingdoms which considered themselves to be heirs of the old kingdom of Hispania.

False.
I was comparing geopolitical emplacements.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

I quite appreciate tea time and those marvelous buttered scones.

Tea time is very gay. It would be less gay if they wrestled right after drinking tea.

No, that's pretty gay also after some more thought. They should just give it up completely because I disapprove.

[Minesweeper]

Atlas highlanders.

[Rastko]

Albanians and Spainiards from my experience.

[Empecinado]

The map doesn't indicate it belonged to Portugal.

However, Galician nobles have had many conflicts with Castillians. Shizzle was finally settled in 1482 when Ferdinand and Isabel came with an army to let everyone know what's what. They weren't happy that the Galician nobility favored the Portuguese side during the Castillian civil war and since Isabela won she was looking to knock some heads.

Yes, but at same time there were uprisings against Galician nobility by peasants and hidalgos, the most important were the Irmandiñas . Nobility won the war and it meant to continue the serfdom and poverty of the region.

[MelinusMargos]

Italians are the greatest Nordicists.

Why do you think so?

[WOOHP]

That wasn't my point :tea:

Portuguese take siesta just like the rest of southern/Med Europe.


If you say so, as far as this I can't say because I don't read all these topics but judging from how you make leaps and bounds about me I'm inclined to think that, when it comes to the others, you might very well be either a liar or you misconstrue things deeply.
Because you, just like I pointed out in my last post only argue with those who distance you from Brits and the "Atlantic facade brotherhood". There are very, very few Iberians here who get angry when you compare them with Brits and mention the great resemblance between Iberians and Brits. I wonder why? :rolleyes:


Oh no, I read it. I just say you jump to conclusions and don't necessarily know everything you say you know. You said "I'm sure that in Portugal they do siesta in the summer time" if you're literally sure it's because you witnessed this mass event occur or you mean "sure" (:laugh:) in the sense that you don't really know but you are convinced they do because you're prejudiced. Even if it does occur so what? How similar are Brits and Scandos? I really don't know so I'm asking you but I don't have faith you can tell me convincingly the % difference or how you come to your conclusion.
Just deal with it. All the things I mentioned do apply to Portugal/Spain. You do have a shitty economy and a very different work ethic in comparision with Northerners - just like the rest of southern Europe. I've also showed that Portugal, just like the rest of southern Europe is way more religious.
Brits and Scandos are very close phenotypically, genetically and culturally. In fact this applies to all West and North Germanic people of today. If you ask a Dane who he/she feels closer to the answer would ofc be Swedes/Norwegians followed by Germans, Dutch, Brits. You'll get a similar answer if you ask a Brit. Obviously the Anglo-World comes first and then the rest of Northwestern Europe.


Why?
Because he grew up in Brazil, a south American country very different from Wales?


Like what? culture as in olive oil and garlic or "culture" as in catholicism and being hot tempered? xD

No, I don't care that you think that. This is a passtime for me.

It's gettting more and more obvious why you responded me in the first place. You hate when someone mentions the relation between Portugal and other southern countries. Not a surprise, most Iberians here feel the same way. It's just that southerners here do everything to become more northern than what they actually are.

Just imagine if I instead posted something about how close Iberians and Brits are and how wonderful the Atlantic facade is. 100 thumbs up from Iberians.



For real? I remember several here saying the similarities are overblown, Alex Delarge for one, Labaru also if I'm not mistaken and others.

:picard1::picard1::picard1:

Are you a troll?


Like who?
Like you? This discussion is a proof that you Iberians don't like it when someone speaks bad of the Atlantic facade. All discussions I have with Iberians are practically the same. I mention that Brits/French don't overlap with Iberians as much as they would want them to. Iberians become butthurt, because being close to Brits/Frenchmen is something important. And a shitstorm occurs, me against 10 Iberians who post gibberish about the Atlantic facade.


There are no Celts, only Celtic, and am I supposed to believe that the few people you know are authorities on what is Celtic?
Hey dude. You started this by sayng "I know some Irish who call Gallicians celtic brothers". Bad memory?


You say the Irish in America distance themselves from Anglos. I say you distance others from eachother.

I know already that Iberians become mad when I don't agree with them regarding the closeness between them and Brits.


Yea most of the hardworking Portuguese leave Portugal. They don't have a rep abroad for being lazy.
Southern Europe in general is stereotyped here in the North as lazy.




Now I know you're full of shit. How do you know this? And even if I did say something if someone overblows the connection between Italians and Iberians this by default makes me want to be close to Brits?
You still seem to have a hard time reading my posts.

It's quite obvious why you Iberians generally don't argue with someone who's pro Atlantic facade and speaks about the great resemblance between Brits and Iberians. But if someone even mentions the relation between Spain/Portugal and the rest of southern Europe you become butthurt and start a shitstorm, like in this particular case.

[WOOHP]

I quite appreciate tea time and those marvelous buttered scones. As for the French here, they're totally unrepresentative of the traditional French thought. One of them is a self-hating germanophile that would've sold France to Germany back in 1940 and the other one isn't French at all but rather some American mutt amidst an identitity crisis. Don't blame the French.

But I'm not French you pathetic lunatic. I'm an American of French ancestry. When did I say that I'm French?

Hopeless idiot.

[Hess]

I don't have any objective empirical data, but from my experience it's Spain, Serbia, Germany, and Russia.

[Rouxinol]

Portuguese take siesta just like the rest of southern/Med Europe.

Sweetie, the Portuguese don't take the siesta, sesta or sieste or whatever you wan't to call it. Have you ever been here? No. So shut up. People lunch and go back to work. Period.

[WOOHP]

Sweetie, the Portuguese don't take the siesta, sesta or sieste or whatever you wan't to call it. Have you ever been here? No. So shut up. People lunch and go back to work. Period.


The Siesta in Portugal

The Portuguese, and the Spanish for that matter, have found a key to relieving stress, building solid family ties, and ensuring that they get enough sleep. This key is the siesta. That is right, everything in Portugal shuts down between the hours of noon and three, as everybody returns home to eat, sleep, and spend time with their families. Entire cities are rendered ghost towns during these hours and the streets are completely empty and every shop has its doors closed and lights off.

From WikiPedia:


“The siesta is the traditional daily sleep of the Iberia peninsula and through Spanish influence, of Latin American countries. Afternoon sleep is also a common habit in China, India, Italy ( riposo in Italian), Greece, Croatia, Malta, The Middle East and North Africa. In these countries, the heat can be unbearable in the early afternoon, making a midday break in the comfort of one’s home ideal. However, in some countries where naps are taken, such as Northern Spain, Southern Argentina, and Chile, the climate is similar to that of Canada and Northern Europe. Besides the climate, in many countries with this habit it is common to have the largest meal of the day in the afternoon, in contrast with other countries where only a lighter lunch is taken.”

[Vasconcelos]

Yes, please link us wikipedia shit so we can learn about our own traditions. Idiot foreigner.

[Benacer]

From WikiPedia:

Yep, my point is proven.



Oh, he definitely knows more about your culture than yourself. He's read about it on the Internet.


You don't know shit about Portugal, please stop behaving like you do.

[Loki]

Why do you think so?

Because of members like the nihilist and Lombard :p

[Rouxinol]

From WikiPedia:

Honey, show me a Portuguese town totally shut down because of the "siesta". I live in Lisbon and I've travelled around all the country and I have never encountered a ghost town because of a supposed "siesta" hour. Not even in Alentejo.

Anyway, it seems that some of your northern brethren are making serious business out of this "siesta" thing: http://www.tsf.pt/PaginaInicial/Internacional/Interior.aspx?content_id=1204625

It's in Portuguese. Use Google translator and see how the Danish are profitting from their very own "siestas".

[WOOHP]

Yes, please link us wikipedia shit so we can learn about our own traditions. Idiot foreigner.

First part is from a blog about travelling, written by a guy who ofc visited Portugal. And why would Wiki write lies about this? They hate Portugal too?

[Empecinado]

Just deal with it. All the things I mentioned do apply to Portugal/Spain. You do have a shitty economy and a very different work ethic in comparision with Northerners - just like the rest of southern Europe. I've also showed that Portugal, just like the rest of southern Europe is way more religious.


Spain 1939: country devastated after a civil war, no gold reserves because the Republicans sent all it to the USSR in exchange for weapons, international blockade until 1950 and famine, only Argentina helped us.

Spain 1969: second country in the world that economically grown faster (only surpassed by Japan) from 1959 -1974, 9th economic and industrial power, second largest fishing fleet in the world, country with the largest number of dams for irrigation and electricity production, middle class with increasing purchasing power.

Of course these Spaniards got it by sleeping siesta and being lazy xD

[Vasconcelos]

First part is from a blog about travelling, written by a guy who ofc visited Portugal. And why would Wiki write lies about this? They hate Portugal too?

NOTHING closes for "sesta", ever. Anyone saying otherwise is lying.

Some small shops might close for lunch, because they are owned by a single person that surpirsingly needs to eat like other human beings.





Keep linking shit from the internet and teach us how our own country works, it's both pathetic and funny.

[Graham]

Siesta is mainly for Labourers & outdoor workers, who don't work in the Summer sun, at it's peak. That is what I thought.

[Benacer]

First part is from a blog about travelling, written by a guy who ofc visited Portugal. And why would Wiki write lies about this? They hate Portugal too?

The wiki fragment you posted is not the actual text on Wikipedia. The actual page doesn't mention Portugal or the peninsula as a whole at all. I have no idea of where you've got that from and why you chose it instead of what's currently there (last edited 8 days ago). Either way, people write such nonsense because they have to generalize and use steretypes to talk about places and people they know nothing about, exactly the same way you are doing here.

[WOOHP]

Honey, show me a Portuguese town totally shut down because of the "siesta". I live in Lisbon and I've travelled around all the country and I have never encountered a ghost town because of a supposed "siesta" hour. Not even in Alentejo.

Anyway, it seems that some of your northern brethren are making serious business out of this "siesta" thing: http://www.tsf.pt/PaginaInicial/Internacional/Interior.aspx?content_id=1204625

It's in Portuguese. Use Google translator and see how the Danish are profitting from their very own "siestas".

I am quickly getting a similar impression of Portugal and Spain. Families eat together here, they talk to each other, they really communicate. I feel a little lost here without a family of my own. When I watch the owner of the guesthouse that I am staying at walk across the street to eat at his mother’s house three times a day, I could not feel more like an outsider. Portuguese families and communities are tight, perhaps the siesta has something to do with this.

Danish don't take siestas. They work their asses off just so that you Iberians can live a 1st world life, so do the rest of northern Europe.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/europe/04/money/img/net_givers_04_gra300.gif

Iberians are freeloaders.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

It's gettting more and more obvious why you responded me in the first place. You hate when someone mentions the relation between Portugal and other southern countries. Not a surprise, most Iberians here feel the same way. It's just that southerners here do everything to become more northern than what they actually are.

He responded because of your antagonistic post. If you walk into a bar and point to someone and say "you suck that guys cock" why be surprised when he confronts you?


Just imagine if I instead posted something about how close Iberians and Brits are and how wonderful the Atlantic facade is. 100 thumbs up from Iberians.

If you were cunning and considering the obsession you have with Iberians you certainly would have the interest to do it, you would have created a fake account and made such a post to see how many thumbs up you'd get from Iberians and then you could use that as a weapon if it matches your perspective. Not everyone is as cunning as I am, which is probably a good thing in the long run.




The discussion is proof that when you say Iberians are nordicists or "suck British Atlantic Facade cock" there is going to be an angry response. If you simply said I don't believe there is an Atlantic Facade in a respectful manner I doubt anyone would respond disrespectfully. It would be a "lets agree to disagree" situation. Personally, I have no interest in the Atlantic Facade and I've never heard of Portuguese in the real world discuss it. The few Galicians I know who are aware of it are politically motivated. It's just resentment towards Madrid.

[quote]All discussions I have with Iberians are practically the same. I mention that Brits/French don't overlap with Iberians as much as they would want them to. Iberians become butthurt, because being close to Brits/Frenchmen is something important. And a shitstorm occurs, me against 10 Iberians who post gibberish about the Atlantic facade.

Lets put this to the test: name the posters who claim Brits/French overlap with Iberians. Some do (apparently I look froggish and my dad looks like a kraut) but I assume you're speaking of averages. The question now is whether you exaggerate what other posters say. If someone says there is some overlap with France, which there naturally is, and you've exaggerated their beliefs, then we know the score. If that isn't the case, it'll be clear also.

It's a question of how you approach the subject. If you bring up the subject yourself why should you be surprised you're having the same old conversation?



I know already that Iberians become mad when I don't agree with them regarding the closeness between them and Brits.

People of all nationalities become mad when you show disrespect. It's one thing to disagree with someone, it's another to show disrespect.



It's quite obvious why you Iberians generally don't argue with someone who's pro Atlantic facade and speaks about the great resemblance between Brits and Iberians. But if someone even mentions the relation between Spain/Portugal and the rest of southern Europe you become butthurt and start a shitstorm, like in this particular case.

The Atlantic Facade thing is a north western Iberian thing. It's irrelevant to other parts of Spain. Why would someone from Valencia care about Atlantic cultural influences if it has nothing to do with his regional culture?

[Benacer]

Danish don't take siestas. They work their asses off just so that you Iberians can live a 1st world life, so do the rest of northern Europe.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/europe/04/money/img/net_givers_04_gra300.gif

Iberians are freeloaders.

Actually Danes work even less than Iberians on average if you take into account work hours per week. :picard1:

http://www.eurofound.europa.eu/eiro/studies/tn1106010s/tn1106010s-fig04.jpg

[WOOHP]

Spain 1939: country devastated after a civil war, no gold reserves because the Republicans sent all it to the USSR in exchange for weapons, international blockade until 1950 and famine, only Argentina helped us.

Spain 1969: second country in the world that economically grown faster (only surpassed by Japan) from 1959 -1974, 9th economic and industrial power, second largest fishing fleet in the world, country with the largest number of dams for irrigation and electricity production, middle class with increasing purchasing power.

Of course these Spaniards got it by sleeping siesta and being lazy xD

Former Soviet countries have already surpassed Portugal when it comes to GDP/capita and HDI. It's only a matter of time when they pass Spain too. Remember, they were communistic just 20 years back.

[WOOHP]

Actually Danes work even less than Iberians on average if you take into account work hours per week. :picard1:
[IMG]http://www.eurofound.europa.eu/eiro/studies/tn1106010s/tn1106010s-fig04.jpg[/IMG



So Spaniards work more but their GDP/capita is still way lower than that of Denmark. Doesn't that prove that Spaniards are inefficient workers in comparision Finns, Danes, Norwegians and Swedes?

[Roy]

One Estonian & One Croat. I have not experienced any non-Nordic nation to be overly Nordicist above others.

[Benacer]

So Spaniards work more but their GDP/capita is still way lower than that of Denmark. Doesn't that prove that Spaniards are inefficient workers in comparision Finns, Danes, Norwegians and Swedes?

No, it proves their economy is inefficient in translating work into GDP. :picard1: There is no such cultural determinism. Nordic countries were among the poorest in Europe not so long ago, would you say their cultures suddenly changed? Stop living in a fantasy world.

[MelinusMargos]

Actually Danes work even less than Iberians on average if you take into account work hours per week. :picard1:

http://www.eurofound.europa.eu/eiro/studies/tn1106010s/tn1106010s-fig04.jpg

I'd like to see a comparison between northern and southern italy in this map.

[Benacer]

I'd like to see a comparison between northern and southern italy in this map.

I have no data on that, unfortunately.

[Anthropologique]

This is my last reply to you in this forum, WHOOP. Hopefully we won't cross words again.
In the meantime, perhaps you will grow out of your typical American and ignorant mindset.

Goodbye.

My friend, you are dealing with a mentally disturbed individual in WOOHP. He believes his own lies and constructed realities. Deranged ...

[Empecinado]

Former Soviet countries have already surpassed Portugal when it comes to GDP/capita and HDI. It's only a matter of time when they pass Spain too. Remember, they were communistic just 20 years back.

You don't get the point...can you explain how such lazy and inefficient Spanish workers could turn a destroyed and under economic blockade country into a industrialized and keeper of a solid middle class in just 30 years, having one the fastest economic growing just being surpassed by Japan?

[Anthropologique]

You don't get the point...can you explain how such lazy and inefficient Spanish workers could turn a destroyed and under economic blockade country into a industrialized and keeper of a solid middle class in just 30 years, having one the fastest economic growing just being surpassed by Japan?

Believe me, he NEVER gets the point. All WOOHP does is spend most of his time on TA attacking Iberians and twisting the facts. Sad, m&^%#$f%@(er ...

[Anthropologique]

Your ignorance about my country really shows, please shut up and talk about something you actually know a thing or two.

He's delusional, obviously.

[WOOHP]

He responded because of your antagonistic post. If you walk into a bar and point to someone and say "you suck that guys cock" why be surprised when he confronts you?
Nope. This is not what's happening here. The reason all of you are responding me is because you don't like it when someone discharges the Atlantic facade. Being close to Brits is something very important to certian Iberian members here.


If you were cunning and considering the obsession you have with Iberians you certainly would have the interest to do it, you would have created a fake account and made such a post to see how many thumbs up you'd get from Iberians and then you could use that as a weapon if it matches your perspective. Not everyone is as cunning as I am, which is probably a good thing in the long run.
The fact that you thought of that shows what a low lifer you are. Yes I'm gonna create a fake account now and do that. :picard1:
This reminds me of that pathetic 37-year old half Portuguese who thought that I learned Swedish and changed my IP to show that I'm from Sweden just to troll his ugly ass. You Iberians are fking paranoid to the max.


The discussion is proof that when you say Iberians are nordicists or "suck British Atlantic Facade cock" there is going to be an angry response. If you simply said I don't believe there is an Atlantic Facade in a respectful manner I doubt anyone would respond disrespectfully. It would be a "lets agree to disagree" situation. Personally, I have no interest in the Atlantic Facade and I've never heard of Portuguese in the real world discuss it. The few Galicians I know who are aware of it are politically motivated. It's just resentment towards Madrid.
yes and the discussion could have ended there. But it's not the real reason to why you, and several other Iberians here are having this discussion with me. Southern Euros always try to perceive themselves as more northern than what they actually are. North Italians, Balkanites do it and you Iberians are no exceptions.



Lets put this to the test: name the posters who claim Brits/French overlap with Iberians.
Here are some quotes about Frenchmen and Iberians. Just the ones I could think of right now:

It makes me laugh that you differences between Spanish and French looks :rolleyes:
And it makes me more laugh still say things like "Although is French seem Spanish", or "Although his surname is Spanish or Portuguese seems to French" :sad:


Excuseme, but some things don't fit for me: Gonyalons is indeed a Catalan name, but which is exactly "the Catalan look" so different from the French one?.
I don't understand either which is the difference between "French look" and "Spanish look" in Hugo Lloris.


Overall, the French are also close to Spaniards, Portuguese and N. Italians - more so in the south-east and south-west


Some do (apparently I look froggish and my dad looks like a kraut) but I assume you're speaking of averages. The question now is whether you exaggerate what other posters say. If someone says there is some overlap with France, which there naturally is, and you've exaggerated their beliefs, then we know the score. If that isn't the case, it'll be clear also.


People of all nationalities become mad when you show disrespect. It's one thing to disagree with someone, it's another to show disrespect.
I don't disrespect anyone. Like I said, I'm mostly active in French related threads here at TA but Iberians can't handle the fact that I don't see a great resemblance between the two and since then they always seem very eager to start a discussion as fast as I mention Frenchmen and Iberians in the same sentence.

The Atlantic Facade thing is a north western Iberian thing. It's irrelevant to other parts of Spain. Why would someone from Valencia care about Atlantic cultural influences if it has nothing to do with his regional culture?
Why would a Galician be closer to a Welshmen than to a Valencian? This does not make sense.
The "Atlantic facade" is a useless term in every regard. If you want to talk about ancient Celticity that has also surivived in certain parts of modern day popular culture in Iberian/France/Britain then do so. But I can't help thinking how useless it is when it comes to genetics or physical anthropology.

[Anthropologique]

Yes, Captain Obvious...

You should know, you're part Bengali. LOL!

[Twistedmind]

One Estonian & One Croat. I have not experienced any non-Nordic nation to be overly Nordicist above others.

Two Estonians. You forgot Pure ja :P

[Roy]

Two Estonians. You forgot Pure ja :P

How could I have forgotten ... :p

[Catrau]

So Spaniards work more but their GDP/capita is still way lower than that of Denmark. Doesn't that prove that Spaniards are inefficient workers in comparision Finns, Danes, Norwegians and Swedes?

Wanna bet that after taxes and after applying parity purchase and after including in the equation the cost of living especially the housing, that Spaniards have a very nice, decent living and that it may even be better than the one of a huge part of Danes… Have you ever been here ??
Do think a Spaniard would leave Spain to go to work in Denmark because of money??
You're the same old lobotomized waco.

You can course on us now, but we will be back. We had crisis in the past and we always overcame, we were destroyed by wars and we overcame.
Oh eastern Europe!!! I wonder why they keep coming here even if there are no jobs for them. Will you post some data of eastern European migration to southern Europe, that would be nice.

When will you grow up kid?? Post something interesting instead of the usual crap.

[WOOHP]

No, it proves their economy is inefficient in translating work into GDP. :picard1: There is no such cultural determinism. Nordic countries were among the poorest in Europe not so long ago, would you say their cultures suddenly changed? Stop living in a fantasy world.
Exactly. Their work is inefficient. Spaniards work hard and more hours than most other Euros but they still can't figure out their economy. You have one of the highest unemployment rates in the EU.
There is no resemblance between what the Nordics did after the WW2 and the Spanish economical rise after Franco.

You don't get the point...can you explain how such lazy and inefficient Spanish workers could turn a destroyed and under economic blockade country into a industrialized and keeper of a solid middle class in just 30 years, having one the fastest economic growing just being surpassed by Japan?
But what I said is true: Several former Soviet countries have surpassed Portugal, soon they will pass Spain too. And they were under dictatorship for a longer period of time.

You had a lot of help from the EU. And you still have yet today. Spain and Portugal are one of the countries that benefit the most from EU.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/europe/04/money/img/net_givers_04_gra300.gif

[Insuperable]

Actually Danes work even less than Iberians on average if you take into account work hours per week. :picard1:

http://www.eurofound.europa.eu/eiro/studies/tn1106010s/tn1106010s-fig04.jpg

Southern Europeans might work more, but they are not as efficient as superior northern Europeans are

[Austo]

Albania, with some other southern nations.

[Anthropologique]

Southern Europeans might work more, but they are not as efficient as superior northern Europeans are

Keep cranking, deranged Untermensch ... LMAO!!

[HispaniaSagrada]

hfghfg

[Vasconcelos]

Southern Europeans might work more, but they are not as efficient as superior northern Europeans are

The socio-economical and political system is shit.

[Insuperable]

Keep cranking, deranged Untermensch ... LMAO!!

Cranking, deranged? I am only describing the reality. Do you have problems with the reality?

[WOOHP]

Wanna bet that after taxes and after applying parity purchase and after including in the equation the cost of living especially the housing, that Spaniards have a very nice, decent living and that it may even be better than the one of a huge part of Danes… Have you ever been here ??
Do think a Spaniard would leave Spain to go to work in Denmark because of money??
You're the same old lobotomized waco.
True. Northerners view Iberians as very simplisicitc people. You live a non-complicated way of life. That's why the EU was a bad idea and EMU even worse. Dutch, Germans and Finns having the same currency as Portuguese and Greeks?! Whoever came up with that idea must have been crazy.


You can course on us now, but we will be back. We had crisis in the past and we always overcame, we were destroyed by wars and we overcame.
Oh eastern Europe!!! I wonder why they keep coming here even if there are no jobs for them. Will you post some data of eastern European migration to southern Europe, that would be nice.
:rofl_002::rofl_002::rofl_002:
Quote from a lousy Portuguese soap opera?

When will you grow up kid?? Post something interesting instead of the usual crap.
I do. It's just you Iberians who feel this way.

[HispaniaSagrada]

fhfghf

[Empecinado]

But what I said is true: Several former Soviet countries have surpassed Portugal, soon they will pass Spain too. And they were under dictatorship for a longer period of time.
You had a lot of help from the EU. And you still have today. Spain and Portugal are one of the countries that benefit the most from EU.

You had a lot of help from the EU. And you still have yet today. Spain and Portugal are one of the countries that benefite the most from EU.

Such EU "help" actually was a sort of compensation and was given in exchange for dismantling our industry and agriculture ir order to prevent our industry to compete with German and French one, and has been wasted mainly in salaries of politicians, welfare to immigrants and Gypsies and other stupid things that most people do not enjoy, and most of that money has not left banking circuits. Also EU impose imposes quotas on the production of products such as milk or olive oil.

Before entering into EU, we were a competitive country with rapid income growth and solid middle class, with decent jobs and if worked for a few years could buy a flat, a car and go out on vacation every summer.

But of course for simple minds like yours is easier to settle the question by saying "u latsi fagget spenizsh " haha

[WOOHP]

1. I could be wrong but I don't think he was talking to you :rolleyes:

2. He didn't say you were French

3. Yes, it's official. The idiot here is toi.

4. O franciu, queres me vender o cabaliu?
Am I supposed to answer this without trolling back? Is this some kind of Moorish joke? I don't get it sorry.

[Anthropologique]

Now I understand perfectly. You don't understand anything.

O franciu, queres me vender o cabaliu?

Do I dare write more and provide an additional mountain of references on the Atlantic Facade and the permanence of Celticity in the fringe West?

Why even bother with people in such extreme denial, so clearly evidenced here; simply because of some unexplainable level of ethnic hatred. Let's see, you have a maniacal Frenchman, some alternative universe S. European and an American with a Norse fetish who is obsessed with Iberians. Did I miss anyone? What sane person want's to deal with these outre' types? Get real, already ... and stop lying. :crazy:

[Anthropologique]

Cranking, deranged? I am only describing the reality. Do you have problems with the reality?

No, but you do, clown.

[Insuperable]

No, but you do, clown.

:picard2:

Do people from northern European countries work less on average? (Apparently they do)
Are northern European countries on average more successful? (Yes, they are)

Now, tell me, how come you don't have problems with the reality as you say you don't have any?

[Benacer]

Exactly. Their work is inefficient. Spaniards work hard and more hours than most other Euros but they still can't figure out their economy. You have one of the highest unemployment rates in the EU.


A good deal of economics is about making a seemingly appropriate choice and crossing your fingers hoping for the best. That's why it's not an exact science. Some choices turned out to be fortunate, others not so much. Some people work more and produce less because they can't afford the optimal tools for their work. It's not cultural, Iberia is hardly alone on this. Ireland too is in trouble, do you think they are mediterranean?

[Anthropologique]

:picard2:

Do people from northern European countries work less on average? (Apparently they do)
Are northern European countries on average more successful? (Yes, they are)

Now, tell me, how come you don't have problems with the reality as you say you don't have any?


Another obtuse character with mental problems. I'm not disputing the facts you posted, only your idiot notion that Northern Europeans
are somehow superior. WTF, you need a good psychiatrist, Indian, or whatever you pretend to be.

[WOOHP]

Such EU "help" actually was a sort of compensation and was given in exchange for dismantling our industry and agriculture ir order to prevent our industry to compete with German and French one, and has been wasted mainly in salaries of politicians, welfare to immigrants and Gypsies and other stupid things that most people do not enjoy, and most of that money has not left banking circuits. Also EU impose imposes quotas on the production of products such as milk or olive oil.

Isn't this quite typical for you Iberians to blame everything else? Now just recently the Jews because of the economical crisis in Spain/Portugal. You would never have had been able to compete with the German or French industrial power. The fact that you're getting and have gotten more money from the EU than what you pay back -making you freeloaders doesn't speak for itself?

Before entering into EU, we were a competitive country with rapid income growth and solid middle class, with decent jobs and if worked for a few years could buy a flat, a car and go out on vacation every summer.

:confused:

Before the EU

Spain GDP/capita
1981: 6 000
1982: 5 200
1983: 5 000
1984: 4 400
1985 4 600

After you joined EU
1988: 9 400
1989: 10 500

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_past_and_future_GDP_(nominal) _per_capita

[HispaniaSagrada]

fhfghfg

[Insuperable]

Another obtuse character with mental problems. I'm not disputing the facts you posted, only your idiot notion that Northern Europeans
are somehow superior. WTF, you need a good psychiatrist, Indian, or whatever you pretend to be.

Of course they are superior wtf:picard2: To realize this you simply have to open your eyes. Be happy that you are partially northern European and is genetically upgraded there of.

[Anthropologique]

A good deal of economics is about making a seemingly appropriate choice and crossing your fingers hoping for the best. That's why it's not an exact science. Some choices turned out to be fortunate, others not so much. Some people work more and produce less because they can't afford the optimal tools for their work. It's not cultural, Iberia is hardly alone on this. Ireland too is in trouble, do you think they are mediterranean?

The REAL unemployment rate in the U.S. is somewhere north of 15%, which includes all the underemployed and those who have given up looking for work. Ahhhh, Northern European values. Lovely ...

[Anthropologique]

Of course they are superior wtf:picard2: To realize this you simply have to open your eyes. Be happy that you are partially northern European and is genetically upgraded there of.

Solin, kindly commit yourself to an insane asylum or go and play in traffic.

[HispaniaSagrada]

fgfghfg

[Gaijin]

But what I said is true: Several former Soviet countries have surpassed Portugal, soon they will pass Spain too. And they were under dictatorship for a longer period of time.

You had a lot of help from the EU. And you still have yet today. Spain and Portugal are one of the countries that benefit the most from EU.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/europe/04/money/img/net_givers_04_gra300.gif

In 1974, Portugal got out of 48 year corporate military dictatorship.
With the Carnation revolution, the unstable start of the Third republic.

It is very important to stress the Marshall plan.
Portugal, unlike Western Europe, did do benefit from this European Recovery Program.

The Marshall plan reconstructed Western Europe and made a decisive contribution to the renewal of the transport system, the modernization of industrial and agricultural equipment, the resumption of normal production, the raising of productivity, and the facilitating of intra-European trade.

The biggest beneficiaries of the Marshall plan were the United Kingdom, France, Western Germany, Italy and the Netherlands, which brings them to their present-day positions, as world and economical powers.

The Marshall plan below, and biggest receivers of this aid package:
http://marshallplan.freeterritorytrieste.com/myPictures/MARSHALLPLANMAP1.jpg

[Insuperable]

Solin, kindly commit yourself to an insane asylum or go and play in traffic.

You are the reality denier

[Insuperable]

Yes! That's the word I was trying to think of. Argh :picard1:

Me obtuse? Bitch please! Just because you and Anthropolosomething are not in touch with reality does not mean I am obtuse.

[Anthropologique]

You are the reality denier

Pound sand or go play in traffic. Shitbrained Untermensch need not apply for inclusion in reality worlds.

[WOOHP]

In 1974, Portugal got out of 48 year corporate military dictatorship.
With the Carnation revolution, the unstable start of the Third republic.

It is very important to stress the Marshal plan.
Portugal, unlike Western Europe, did do benefit from this European Recovery Program.

The Marshal plan reconstructed Western Europe and made a decisive contribution to the renewal of the transport system, the modernization of industrial and agricultural equipment, the resumption of normal production, the raising of productivity, and the facilitating of intra-European trade.

The biggest beneficiaries of the Marshal plan were the United Kingdom, France, Western Germany, Italy and the Netherlands, which brings them to their present-day positions, as world and economical powers.

The Marshal plan below, and biggest receivers of this aid package:
The Marshal plan was not as important as you think it was:


In a review of West Germany's economy from 1945 to 1951, German analyst Werner Abelshauser concluded that "foreign aid was not crucial in starting the recovery or in keeping it going". The economic recoveries of France, Italy, and Belgium, Cowen found, also predated the flow of U.S. aid. Belgium, the country that relied earliest and most heavily on free market economic policies after its liberation in 1944, experienced the fastest recovery and avoided the severe housing and food shortages seen in the rest of continental Europe.
Former U.S. Chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank Alan Greenspan gives most credit to Ludwig Erhard for Europe's economic recovery. Greenspan writes in his memoir The Age of Turbulence that Erhard's economic policies were the most important aspect of postwar Western Europe recovery, far outweighing the contributions of the Marshall Plan. He states that it was Erhard's reductions in economic regulations that permitted Germany's miraculous recovery, and that these policies also contributed to the recoveries of many other European countries


Not to mention that both Netherlands and France used a big part of that money to finance war:


Noam Chomsky wrote that the amount of American dollars given to France and the Netherlands equaled the funds these countries used to finance their military actions against their colonial subjects in East Asia, in French Indochina and the Netherlands East Indies respectively. The Marshall Plan was said to have "set the stage for large amounts of private U.S. investment in Europe, establishing the basis for modern transnational corporations".[110] The Netherlands used a significant portion of the aid it received to re-conquer Indonesia in the Indonesian National Revolution and was forced into joining the Korean War in 1950 after threats the project would end if it did not comply

[Anthropologique]

Me obtuse? Bitch please! Just because you and Anthropolosomething are not in touch with reality does not mean I am obtuse.

You are worse than obtuse, clown. You missed your calling - should have joined the circus, shit-for-brains.

[Insuperable]

Pound sand or go play in traffic. Shitbrained Untermensch need not apply for inclusion in reality worlds.

Is that an explanation of my statement you being a reality denier?:rotfl:

Now, tell me with what exactly I said you don't agree?

Do northern Europeans work less?
Are their countries more successful (economy, military, science...)?

[HispaniaSagrada]

fghfghfh

[WOOHP]

The REAL unemployment rate in the U.S. is somewhere north of 15%, which includes all the underemployed and those who have given up looking for work. Ahhhh, Northern European values. Lovely ...

US 40% non-Whites, unemployment rate 15%
Spain 90%(or probably more) White, unemployment rate probably higher than 25-30%

[WOOHP]

Now, tell me with what exactly I said you don't agree?

Do northern Europeans work less?
Are their countries more successful (economy, military, science...)?
Do you actually think that they will answer you?

[Insuperable]

No, I was referring to WOOPS. I don't even see your posts your ass is on IGNORE.

So, you just called your own self obtuse by replying to me the way you did, you poodle semen receptacle.

I can see how you cold make that mistake though but next time just make sure before you jump to conclusions.

It was so worth clicking on "View Post Anyway" for this laugh. Thanks.

I don't read your posts also and that is why I thought you are addressing to me

[Empecinado]

Isn't this quite typical for you Iberians to blame everything else?

Well, the ultimate fault is ours for allowing our politicians to deliver our countries to the EU.


Now just recently the Jews because of the economical crisis in Spain/Portugal. You would never have had been able to compete with the German or French industrial power.

You don't know a shit, as always :picard2:
In 70-80, Spain began to compete with France in specific sectors, such as automobile (Pegaso trucks, for example). And at this time was to be built the largest steel plant in Europe in Spain, in a privileged location next to the Mediterranean and that would allow to be self-sufficient in-the flat steel products for the manufacture of automobiles and appliances. One of the requirements for entering the EU was abandoning the project, as the French saw this as a competition to a similar factory they wanted to build.



The fact that you're getting and have gotten more money from the EU than what you pay back -making you freeloaders doesn't speak for itself?

Can you read? That money was initially given as compensation for dismantling industry and agriculture, and later borrowed with interest. Fiat money that comes out of a printer, without being backed up.







Before the EU

Spain GDP/capita
1981: 6 000
1982: 5 200
1983: 5 000
1984: 4 400
1985 4 600

After you joined EU
1988: 9 400
1989: 10 500

That does not matter. What matters is that before we had a productive industrial fabric, and not now. All dismantled.

[HispaniaSagrada]

ffghfh

[Anthropologique]

Is that an explanation of my statement you being a reality denier?:rotfl:

Now, tell me with what exactly I said you don't agree?

Do northern Europeans work less?
Are their countries more successful (economy, military, science...)?

Anyone who ranks people as inferior or superior does not deserve ANY consideration. Now, kindly go flush yourself, nut job.

[Insuperable]

Anyone who ranks people as inferior or superior does not deserve ANY consideration. Now, kindly go flush yourself, nut job.

So you actually agree with me I see since you don't have any counterarguments

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Nope. This is not what's happening here.

It's exactly what is happening here.


The reason all of you are responding me is because you don't like it when someone discharges the Atlantic facade. Being close to Brits is something very important to certian Iberian members here.

The reason is because you're an obnoxious asshole looking for a fight. I don't care about "Atlantic Facade" and nor do a few other posters here that I know. You had a fight with a few who are keen on it and because you're such a stunning mind you projected it unto all the Iberians. You appear to fit everything into what neatly fits into your self serving assumption: "It must be the Atlantic Facade for all these angry Iberians and not the insults."

You don't know Spaniards very well. The English are slightly less disliked than the French in Spain but very still much disliked. Germans, however, are very much liked. That's been my experience and I'm sure others will say the same.



The fact that you thought of that shows what a low lifer you are.

I'm in the same camp as Winston Churchill and many other great low lifers; great minds think alike. What's worse? Creating a social experiment and then revealing the deception to prove a point or intentionally antagonizing posters and then denying it?


Yes I'm gonna create a fake account now and do that. :picard1:

It's kind of too late for that; you're not exactly CIA material.


This reminds me of that pathetic 37-year old half Portuguese who thought that I learned Swedish and changed my IP to show that I'm from Sweden just to troll his ugly ass. You Iberians are fking paranoid to the max.

What does that person's supposed paranoia have to do with me? When speaking to me you must stay relevant. But, to comment on your randomness, internet forums are home to many fake personalities. One of the moderators here pretended to be a woman in another forum. I actually defended this person thinking he/she was real. I should be more paranoid or I'll never survive the internetz.



yes and the discussion could have ended there.

You mean at the point you made the insult? I have no idea where "there" is, exactly. Please be coherent.


But it's not the real reason to why you, and several other Iberians here are having this discussion with me. Southern Euros always try to perceive themselves as more northern than what they actually are. North Italians, Balkanites do it and you Iberians are no exceptions.

None of my posts suggest that and I know some of the posters in this thread that are the same. I rarely even talk about Spain. In fact, you talk about Spain more than I do.


Here are some quotes about Frenchmen and Iberians. Just the ones I could think of right now:

Lets take a look at the quotes:

First one: I'll have to look at the context before I give my opinion.

EDIT: your perception could be accurate here. I'd have to look at more posts by this individual to come to a definite conclusion. Unlike yourself I prefer to as close as possible to a truth, especially when making an accusation.

Second one: Catalans border France. They in fact have no to just a spec of North African ancestry. Many French settled in Catalunya also at different periods, such as the late 16th century. If there is going to be overlap it would be in Catalunya or do political borders magically effect phenotype?

Third quote: that's accurate. There are more similarities between N.Italians, Iberians, and French than with the others or are you not aware of population genetics? Naturally people are more similar to those who they live near.

Fourth quote: lolz...my own quote! How cute. That's not my opinion. It's the opinion of many posters, including the famed Agrippa. Agrippa thought I was half Spanish when he saw my father's pic. I remember Agrippa saying I look like a younger version of him. In general, people said I had a central European vibe but... hey... it's obvious I'm trying to make Spaniards more northern based on what a host of other people say about me and my dad specifically. Maybe I should just lie and say we both look like Antonio Banderas. Strange enough I don't try to do the same for my mom. I must be sexist.

Oddly enough my mother has an unusally strong relation to northerners. This was discovered in the 23andme update, but was already clear in Polako's and Dienekes' projects. I must have paid them all off. My father came out typically Iberian despite his looks, while mother looks very much Iberian.








I don't disrespect anyone. Like I said, I'm mostly active in French related threads here at TA but Iberians can't handle the fact that I don't see a great resemblance between the two and since then they always seem very eager to start a discussion as fast as I mention Frenchmen and Iberians in the same sentence.

Considering your history of degrading Iberians I'm not surprised. Lets stop playing innocent: if I was to look at your posts in those sections would I see a hint of antagonizing behavior? Or am I being paranoid? You do have a history.


Why would a Galician be closer to a Welshmen than to a Valencian? This does not make sense.

I've never heard anyone, online or elsewhere, say something similar. I'm seeing a pattern with you.


The "Atlantic facade" is a useless term in every regard. If you want to talk about ancient Celticity that has also surivived in certain parts of modern day popular culture in Iberian/France/Britain then do so. But I can't help thinking how useless it is when it comes to genetics or physical anthropology.

I agree but can I say I giggled a bit when you referenced genetics and physical anthropology? You made a few references that doesn't lead me to believe you're familiar with the subject matter. Thinking you are and being so isn't the same.

[Smaug]

Again, what's so wrong about my statement? He is infact a Brazilian and he's quite fond of the "Atlantic facade". Why, well Idk but I have my guesses ofc.

Oh really, and what are your guesses?

[HispaniaSagrada]

fhfghfg

[Smaug]

He says it makes a difference that you were raised in Brasil, but in what way and referring to what I still have NO clue :dunno:

It is ridiculous of him, I mean, sure, just because I breathe the Brazilian air my Welshness is destroyed. Tell me, you as a Portuguese in the US, do you feel any distant of your heritage? You even speak Portuguese! I speak Welsh.

[HispaniaSagrada]

fgfghfg

[Benacer]

It is ridiculous of him, I mean, sure, just because I breathe the Brazilian air my Welshness is destroyed. Tell me, you as a Portuguese in the US, do you feel any distant of your heritage? You even speak Portuguese! I speak Welsh.

Brazil had Portuguese influence, so everyone in Brazil has an Atlantic agenda. It's funny how pretty much anything such as Alex's minor post classifying some people as French makes everyone a part of the Atlantic Conspiracy. Everyone has an agenda. He, on the other hand, who is obsessed with Iberia and talks more about it than Iberians themselves has no agenda by any means, he just does it because Iberians supposedly attack France all of the time. :loco: This one must be very desperate not to have anything to do with Iberians in order not to pollute his perfect Nordic genetic and cultural background (and he's truly shown his nordicist colors in this thread), so anything linking his fraction of ethnicity to swarthy inferior southerners must give him nightmares.

[WOOHP]

The reason is because you're obnoxious an asshole looking for a fight. I don't care about "Atlantic Facade" and nor do a few other posters here that I know. You had a fight with a few who are keen on it and because you're such a stunning mind you projected it unto all the Iberians. You appear to fit everything into what neatly fits into your self serving assumption: "It must be the Atlantic Facade for all these angry Iberians and not the insults."
I know exactly why I'm getting jumped at by Iberians in this particular thread, but no Iberian have ever taken a discussion with someone who talks well about the Atlantic facade and the great resemblance between Brits and Iberians.


You don't know Spaniards very well. The English are slightly less disliked than the French in Spain but very still much disliked. Germans, however, are very much liked. That's been my experience and I'm sure others will say the same.
And they all see you as lazy freeloaders.


I'm in the same camp as Winston Churchill and many other great low lifers; great minds think alike. What's worse? Creating a social experiment and then revealing the deception to prove a point or intentionally antagonizing posters and then denying it?
You might be that obsessed with finding out the "truth".


It's kind of too late for that; you're not exactly CIA material.
Shame


What does that person's supposed paranoia have to do with me? When speaking to me you must stay relevant. But, to comment on your randomness, internet forums are home to many fake personalities. One of the moderators here pretended to be a woman in another forum. I actually defended this person thinking he/she was real. I should be more paranoid or I'll never survive the internetz.

It shows how great Iberian minds think alike. You are all paranoid. I've lost the count of how many times I've been called mestizo by several Iberians just because I tend not to agree with them.


You mean at the point you made the insult? I have no idea where "there" is, exactly. Please be coherent.
They could have ended it with. "No we don't generally look like Brits, there are some here who exaggerate the resemblance but that's just some of us". The reason why no one said so is because you do actually think that the Atlantic facade is some kind of magical term explaining everything in Western Europe. You can't deny the fact that it's almost exclusively Iberians who get butthurt when I or any other member for that matter don't agree with Iberians regarding the "Atlantic facade".


None of my posts suggest that and I know some of the posters in this thread that are the same. I rarely even talk about Spain. In fact, you talk about Spain more than I do.
No I don't. I can't help the fact that Iberians are active in threads regarding the French and that we don't share the same opinion about Frenchmen. Because that's what I do most of the time here at TA. I'm active in threads about Frenchmen and France.


Lets take a look at the quotes:
Oh I did. They are complete BS


First one: I'll have to look at the context before I give my opinion.
No difference between the Spanish and French look. You don't disagree proving my point.


Second one: Catalans border France. They in fact have no to a spec of North African ancestry. Many French settled in Catalunya also at different periods, such as the late 16th century. If there is going to be overlap it would be in Catalunya or are political borders magically effect phenotype?
But retard. Look what you wrote "Lets put this to the test: name the posters who claim Brits/French overlap with Iberians". I gave you an example and you showed that you are no different than the rest of Iberians here.

Third quote: that's accurate. There are more similarities between N.Italians, Iberians, and French than with the others or are you not aware of population genetics? Naturally people are more similar to those who they live near.
Yet again you show what I was talking about. French show more geneticall similarity with Northerners than with Iberians. They overlap also way more with other populations of Europe. I know you'll have a hard time accepting this, afterall you are an Iberian and to you guys looking French is important.

I remember him saying I look like a younger version of him. In general, people said I had a central European vibe but... hey... it's obvious I'm trying to make Spaniards more norhern based on what a host of other people say about me and my dad specifically. Strange enough I don't try to do the same for my mom. I must be sexist.
Obviously you would have never brought this up if you looked like one of those North African looking Spaniards. apparently bringing up your father and mother's looks is something important to our discussion?


Considering your history of degrading Iberians I'm not surprised. Lets stop playing innocent: if I was to look at your posts in those sections would I see a hint of antagonizing behavior? Or am I being paranoid? You do have a history.
What's wrong with my history? 52/53 of all my thumbs down are from Iberians. No one here hates me or dislikes my posts excpet for Iberians. I couldn't care less what some sub-humans think of me.


I've never heard anyone, online or elsewhere, say something similar. I'm seeing a pattern with you.
So Gallicians are Atlantic people whilst Valencians and other East Iberians are swarty hot-blooded Med?



I agree but can I say I giggled a bit when you referenced genetics and physical anthropology? You made a few references that doesn't lead me to believe you're familiar with the subject matter. Thinking you are and being so isn't the same.
You obviously know very little about genetics, you showed that when you said that Frenchmen are closer to North Italians/Iberians than to any other group in Europe.

[WOOHP]

It is ridiculous of him, I mean, sure, just because I breathe the Brazilian air my Welshness is destroyed. Tell me, you as a Portuguese in the US, do you feel any distant of your heritage? You even speak Portuguese! I speak Welsh.

No Brit here is so freakishly obsessed with the Atlantic facade and Iberia as you. The fact that you're from Brazil should explain it.

[WOOHP]

Yea, and yet he gets to be an expert even though he admits to not being French but being American with some French ancestry :picard1: I guess his rules don't apply to him.

What are you talking about? I see myself as American but Uhtred sees himself as Welsh because Brazil is too ünter for him. He sees himself as some kind of übermenschen Briton living in Brazil. This is quite common in countries like Brazil. People who are white, especially Northern European white do often not regard themselves as Brazilian or Chiliean because they feel superior.


Brazil had Portuguese influence, so everyone in Brazil has an Atlantic agenda. It's funny how pretty much anything such as Alex's minor post classifying some people as French makes everyone a part of the Atlantic Conspiracy. Everyone has an agenda. He, on the other hand, who is obsessed with Iberia and talks more about it than Iberians themselves has no agenda by any means, he just does it because Iberians supposedly attack France all of the time. This one must be very desperate not to have anything to do with Iberians in order not to pollute his perfect Nordic genetic and cultural background (and he's truly shown his nordicist colors in this thread), so anything linking his fraction of ethnicity to swarthy inferior southerners must give him nightmares.
That's not what I said you delusional Spic.

I've given plenty of examples showing how obsessed Iberians are with looking French and overlapping with the French.

[Benacer]

This is quite common in countries like Brazil. People who are white, especially Northern European white do often not regard themselves as Brazilian or Chiliean.


Oh, look! You are doing it again, talking nonsense of people you know nothing about.

[WOOHP]

Oh, look! You are doing it again, talking nonsense of people you know nothing about.
Relax I'm not expecting you do confess all of sudden.

[Rouxinol]

WHOOP has a very hot temperament... He curses on everyone. Is this a Norwegian-Swedish-Danish-French-American trait? Surely not. Someone hand him the sleeping pills.

[Smaug]

No Brit here is so freakishly obsessed with the Atlantic facade and Iberia as you. The fact that you're from Brazil should explain it.

I'm not obsessed with the Atlantic Facade, you are. It is just that your so precious Norsemen didn't have a great inpact in Wales, so I simply don't feel connected to them. You are one who are always trying to put Britain together with the Nordid nations and pull Iberians away. I like Iberia because it is the last region of continental Europe to keep a level of Celticness. What's wrong with that?


What are you talking about? I see myself as American but Uhtred sees himself as Welsh because Brazil is too ünter for him. He sees himself as some kind of übermenschen Briton living in Brazil. This is quite common in countries like Brazil. People who are white, especially Northern European white do often not regard themselves as Brazilian or Chiliean because they feel superior.

Oh! So you know more about me than myself. Interesting. Based on what? How do you know if I really feel superior? Quit your bullshit.

[Graham]

WOOHP, you could start an argument, in an empty room.

[Empecinado]

Never heard of Atlantic facade until I came to this forum.

[HispaniaSagrada]

fghfhfg

[Twistedmind]

WOOHP, you could start an argument, in an empty room.
Seems to be pan-Nordic trait, there is another quarellsome hotblooded nordic man, err girl :P

[HispaniaSagrada]

fghfghf

[WOOHP]

I'm not obsessed with the Atlantic Facade, you are. It is just that your so precious Norsemen didn't have a great inpact in Wales, so I simply don't feel connected to them. You are one who are always trying to put Britain together with the Nordid nations and pull Iberians away. I like Iberia because it is the last region of continental Europe to keep a level of Celticness. What's wrong with that?
Yes you are. I don't know what the Norsemen did in Wales but what we can see today is that Welshmen, Irish and other Brits cluster much closer to Scandos than to Iberians and you look pretty much more like Scandos and other Germanics than Iberians. You're northwest European just like Scandos and Dutch.



Oh! So you know more about me than myself. Interesting. Based on what? How do you know if I really feel superior? Quit your bullshit.
Based on my experience with white South Americans/Latinos.
Espeically White South Americans of partial North European ancestry feel this way.

Thanks for finally answering the farking question (doesn't necessarily mean I agree with you tho). One down 53 more to go now.

I've answered you, but to no use.


Try to remember to quote the person with their name. The way you did it looks like you were replying to me. FYI he's not a spic he's a zuca.
Spic, Latino, whatever.

Anyway, the only few times I read here where some Iberians compare themselves to French somewhat it's mainly the southern or occitans and not the rest too much, IIRC.
There is not much resemblance there as some people think. But this is not what we've been discussing here. Iberians here are quite obsessed with looking French. I've showed several examples and there are even threads here proving my point. Yoo just for some reason ingore those posts.

WOOHP, you could start an argument, in an empty room.
Should I take that as a complement?

What do you want Graham? I'm just asking because I don't wanna start a discussion with yet another member in this thread.

[HispaniaSagrada]

fhfghfhf

[WOOHP]

No, it's him trying to emulate southern wogs that he secretly admires but tries to hide xD

You got me there. I secretely want to be a Moorish-Sephardi Celt-Iberian.

[HispaniaSagrada]

...

[Empecinado]

You got me there. I secretely want to be a Moorish-Sephardi Celt-Iberian.

http://img.imgur.com/kzJVbJc.jpg

[MelinusMargos]

WHOOP, I'm on your side about this matter but you should avoid getting angry/arrogant, I can assure you that arguing with you is very annoying. Try to moderate yourself.

[Rouxinol]

You got me there. I secretely want to be a Moorish-Sephardi Celt-Iberian.

You certainly argue like one [Moor, that is]. Check your ancestry, probably your "French" side comes from an Algerian Moor and not from an actual French person.

[WOOHP]

You certainly argue like one. Check you're ancestry, probably your "French" side comes from an Algerian moor...
Algerians in Normandie and Picardie in the 1600-1800s?

[HispaniaSagrada]

fhfhfhf

[MelinusMargos]

I often have been classified as Baskid or dinaricized atlanto med. Does this make me part of the Atlantic Fakeade? :D

[Rouxinol]

I often have been classified as Baskid or dinaricized atlanto med. Does this make me part of the Atlantic Fakeade? :D

Do you fancy it?

[Ouistreham]

I see myself as American but Uhtred sees himself as Welsh because Brazil is too ünter for him. He sees himself as some kind of übermenschen Briton living in Brazil. This is quite common in countries like Brazil. People who are white, especially Northern European white do often not regard themselves as Brazilian or Chiliean because they feel superior.

This is extremely true.

I've met a number of Argentinian, Chilean and Brazilian transplants here in France, they all insisted they had German and/or French ancestry (even when their physical appearance was not quite in line with such assumptions), or Italian when they didn't have anything more valuable to boast about.

Strangely, none of them ever mentioned any Galician origin, though Gallegos are notoriously among the most frequent ethnicities among Hispanic whites. So, they weren't that much obsessed with the magical Atlantic façade...

[Anthropologique]

He says it makes a difference that you were raised in Brasil, but in what way and referring to what I still have NO clue :dunno:

He's a poor thinking mountebank. Ill educated. If he went to any of the universities I graduated from he would be laughed at by students and professors alike. He should see a psychiatrist. Or, he may just need a "personal jesus." :cool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1xrNaTO1bI

Stupid F$#K!!

[Anthropologique]

That's the only kind you could dream to be but you wouldn't be accepted since you wouldn't be pure Celtibero but it's OK be happy half is better than nothing :thumb001:

And laughing my ass off at Ouistreham (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/member.php?u=2036) thumbing down my comments, that have only one thumbs up, to make it look like my comments weren't rated at all (0). He probably thinks the thumbs up will influence audience opinion :rolleyes:

Oh yeah, THE LUNATIC from one of the Atlantic Facade regions is at it again ... hmmm France, Central Europe? Maybe Algerian or just plain insecure and uber-paranoid ... lies, lies everywhere. STFU already! People without any knowledge flinging BS and various insanities. OK, everyone take notes ...

[Benacer]

This is extremely true.

I've met a number of Argentinian, Chilean and Brazilian transplants here in France, they all insisted they had German and/or French ancestry (even when their physical appearance was not quite in line with such assumptions), or Italian when they didn't have anything more valuable to boast about.

Strangely, none of them ever mentioned any Galician origin, though Gallegos are notoriously among the most frequent ethnicities among Hispanic whites. So, they weren't that much obsessed with the magical Atlantic façade...

Right, as if Americans themselves weren't all eager to boast about being 1/16 Irish, 1/4 German, 1/32 Dutch and whatnot. :rolleyes: Does that make them less American?

[Smaug]

Yes you are. I don't know what the Norsemen did in Wales but what we can see today is that Welshmen, Irish and other Brits cluster much closer to Scandos than to Iberians and you look pretty much more like Scandos and other Germanics than Iberians. You're northwest European just like Scandos and Dutch.

No I'm not. You are the one who always bring this subject whenever we meet on the forum. And no, you don't know more than me about Wales, take a look at genetic charts and you'll see how the Welsh have less Germanic input than our neighbours.


Based on my experience with white South Americans/Latinos.
Espeically White South Americans of partial North European ancestry feel this way.


That's ridiculous. I don't feel superior to anyone, and I'm known in this forum for being one of the less racist and more tolerant. I'm from the southern parts of Brazil, that is predominantly "white", so following your way of thinking I should feel proud of my Germanicness mainly when you take into consideration the great amount of Germans who came to Brazil... Well, that doesn't apply to me. The British community in Brazil is tiny, this forum is away of keeping contact of others of my kind so please, just leave me alone.

[Rouxinol]

This is extremely true.

I've met a number of Argentinian, Chilean and Brazilian transplants here in France, they all insisted they had German and/or French ancestry (even when their physical appearance was not quite in line with such assumptions), or Italian when they didn't have anything more valuable to boast about.

Strangely, none of them ever mentioned any Galician origin, though Gallegos are notoriously among the most frequent ethnicities among Hispanic whites. So, they weren't that much obsessed with the magical Atlantic façade...

That's easily explainable. You theorize too much over-simplistically based on your own preconceptions and that blurs your vision. Most people in the New World won't take pride on their colonisers, but rather the contrary (sometimes it's a love-hate relationship). The same happens inthe U.S. in respect to the English heritage. Most of those who are of English heritage identify solely as American or even do claim NA heritage.

[Anthropologique]

Right, as if Americans themselves weren't all eager to boast about being 1/16 Irish, 1/4 German, 1/32 Dutch and whatnot. :rolleyes: Does that make them less American?

Remember you are dealing with a bunch of hateful, delusional mountebanks who believe their own BS.

Intelligence here is pretty low among the flapdoodlers as they completely misunderstand what the Atlantic Facade stands for, among many other things. To criticize what you know little or nothing about is plain cretinous stupidity.

[Anthropologique]

That's easily explainable. You theorize too much over-simplistically based on your own preconceptions and that blurs your vision. Most people in the New World won't take pride on their colonisers, but rather the contrary (sometimes it's a love-hate relationship). The same happens inthe U.S. in respect to the English heritage. Most of those who are of English heritage identify solely as American or even do claim NA heritage.

Well, ostensibly he receives messages from somewhere in the Great Nebula Galaxy. Tin foil cap stuff ...

[Anthropologique]

No I'm not. You are the one who always bring this subject whenever we meet on the forum. And no, you don't know more than me about Wales, take a look at genetic charts and you'll see how the Welsh have less Germanic input than our neighbours.



That's ridiculous. I don't feel superior to anyone, and I'm known in this forum for being one of the less racist and more tolerant. I'm from the southern parts of Brazil, that is predominantly "white", so following your way of thinking I should feel proud of my Germanicness mainly when you take into consideration the great amount of Germans who came to Brazil... Well, that doesn't apply to me. The British community in Brazil is tiny, this forum is away of keeping contact of others of my kind so please, just leave me alone.

Consider the source, my friend.

[Anthropologique]

OK, call the manager at the looney farm as the flapdoodlers have posted enough stupidity for one day. Line up boyyyyzzzz.

[WOOHP]

Right, as if Americans themselves weren't all eager to boast about being 1/16 Irish, 1/4 German, 1/32 Dutch and whatnot. :rolleyes: Does that make them less American?
What are you talking about? There are White Americans who answer in ethnic surveys just plain "American" because they don't want to be associated with their European heritage(which is usually Germanic). In South America this is the other way around.

No I'm not. You are the one who always bring this subject whenever we meet on the forum. And no, you don't know more than me about Wales, take a look at genetic charts and you'll see how the Welsh have less Germanic input than our neighbours.
I've seen cluster maps of English, Socts and Irish and they all cluster together with the closest groups being Scandos, Dutch and Germans. Iberians are far away and Brits usually cluster closer to Poles than to the Iberians of the Atlantic facade. Phenotypically speaking you don't differ from other Brits that much and a good amount would fit quite well in Benelux and Scandinavia. You resemble other Germanics far more than Iberians.


That's ridiculous. I don't feel superior to anyone, and I'm known in this forum for being one of the less racist and more tolerant. I'm from the southern parts of Brazil, that is predominantly "white", so following your way of thinking I should feel proud of my Germanicness mainly when you take into consideration the great amount of Germans who came to Brazil... Well, that doesn't apply to me. The British community in Brazil is tiny, this forum is away of keeping contact of others of my kind so please, just leave me alone.
Dude I wasn't expecting you to agree with me on this. That's just how many White South Americans feel.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

I know exactly why I'm getting jumped at by Iberians in this particular thread, but no Iberian have ever taken a discussion with someone who talks well about the Atlantic facade and the great resemblance between Brits and Iberians.

You're just repeating yourself now. People can judge for themselves if you're an innocent lamb being attacked by hungry Iberian wolves or if you instigated. Considering you took the first shot and then complained that Iberians are always talking about the Atlantic Facade despite you being the one bringing it up here and throwing in a cock sucking reference is enough in any court of law for me to win my case.

The fault goes to the instigator. If you don't want to discuss the same old subject then don't bring it up yourself.



And they all see you as lazy freeloaders.

I don't care. I didn't ask for EU money. No one hands out money without strings attached unless they're pals and nations aren't pals. It's called Realpolitik. From day one I said the EU was a terrible idea.



You might be that obsessed with finding out the "truth"

Obviously you don't know how social experiments are constructed. That's what happens when you're more interested in winning a "debate" any way you can than trying to get at a truth, or as you call it "truth.". I'm a low life for suggesting what social scientists do. Should they really zap a guy with electricity to see how far someone will go when given the order? Damn, those psychologists were so cunning to give a false impression to come to a truth.


Shame

Agreed.


It shows how great Iberian minds think alike. You are all paranoid. I've lost the count of how many times I've been called mestizo by several Iberians just because I tend not to agree with them.

How is that an indication of paranoia? Use terms correctly. They're just insulting you. I consider it a lame insult. You offer so much to insult. It's just laziness on their part.



They could have ended it with. "No we don't generally look like Brits, there are some here who exaggerate the resemblance but that's just some of us". The reason why no one said so is because you do actually think that the Atlantic facade is some kind of magical term explaining everything in Western Europe.

That's quite an articulate response and I like how you throw in the "some here who exaggerate the resemblance." In other words, it needs to fit your perception of others to be accepted as not being ghey for the British.

"You"? Did I ever say I accept the Atlantic Facade? I'm pretty sure I said the opposite but what does it matter what I say. What matters is what you would like me to say. That's very lowly in its lack of dignity and in intelligence. People can read my posts for themselves and see if it matches what you claim I believe. It won't be good for you.


You can't deny the fact that it's almost exclusively Iberians who get butthurt when I or any other member for that matter don't agree with Iberians regarding the "Atlantic facade".

I do agree you like to target Iberians and this does spill over. You're just talking in circles. You haven't said one thing new in this "discussion." Perhaps I should keep reading? Will you shock me with a stunning insight? Or will I hear the same old story again? Stay tuned, kids.



No I don't. I can't help the fact that Iberians are active in threads regarding the French and that we don't share the same opinion about Frenchmen. Because that's what I do most of the time here at TA. I'm active in threads about Frenchmen and France.

Read what you wrote and explain how it's new information from what you said previously.



Oh I did. They are complete BS

I know you did; you posted them. I'm speaking rhetorically. Do you have some sort of cognitive disability?



No difference between the Spanish and French look. You don't disagree proving my point.

You sure are a slow typer considering you hover over this thread like you have nothing else going in life.

I added new information afterwards when I remembered that quote. Go read it. And don't tell me based on what I wrote initially that it was an agreement. It wasn't. It was neutral. That's dishonest of you and unless you have a reading disability everyone can see that sneaky behavior.


But retard. Look what you wrote "Lets put this to the test: name the posters who claim Brits/French overlap with Iberians". I gave you an example and you showed that you are no different than the rest of Iberians here.

Where is your dignity, sir? I specifically said I was giving the opinion of other posters. Including top rate classifiers. It wasn't my opinion.

I'm starting to think your unusual behavior is more a cognitive disability than an attempt at being dishonest. I was very clear that it wasn't my opinion. I went into depth. Even a dishonest person wouldn't refer to someone as a retard if they didn't believe their own words. What a dishonest person is now saying isn't a proper rebuttal and although the dishonest person is not interested in giving their opponent an inch despite the obvious they wouldn't insult someone's intelligence. To do so would be ironic and it would be far too obvious to everyone that that is the case. Instead you would insult me in a different way. There are three possibilities: 1) you have a cognitive disability 2) you're dishonest 3) cognitive disability but also a dishonest person but it's not clear where one starts and the other ends during a "discussion."

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now and say it's the first.


Yet again you show what I was talking about. French show more geneticall similarity with Northerners than with Iberians.

No, I didn't show what you were talking about. You're an illiterate. It's very geographical. That means northern French would be closer to their northern neighbors, but while French don't normally fall into the Iberian group, from what I remember, some Iberians fall into the French group. Most likely alongside southern French. Not much testing has been done on the French, however. They're very underepresented.

My response clearly shows the poster's quote was in the realm of truth and not your "truth." It was accurate. But I get the impression that you don't care about accuracy. You're more interested in what you perceive is a motivation.


They overlap also way more with other populations of Europe. I know you'll have a hard time accepting this, afterall you are an Iberian and to you guys looking French is important.

You can't troll me, dude, because I don't care about the question or the answer.


Obviously you would have never brought this up if you looked like one of those North African looking Spaniards. apparently bringing up your father and mother's looks is something important to our discussion?

Don't shame yourself like this. At the end of the day all we have is our dignity. Don't throw it away over a silly flame war. It's very clear why I brought up my father as an example and everyone can read for themselves. My maternal grandfather, btw, could pass for North African very easily. So try another tactic because I'm actually fond of Moorish history and Berbers.



What's wrong with my history? 52/53 of all my thumbs down are from Iberians. No one here hates me or dislikes my posts excpet for Iberians. I couldn't care less what some sub-humans think of me.

Don't be a child. Some posters dislike some Iberian posters. In fact, I don't even like most of the Iberian posters here.



So Gallicians are Atlantic people whilst Valencians and other East Iberians are swarty hot-blooded Med?

Never said that. I'd say (I SAY) Galicians and Valencians are more similar to each other than foreign groups, except Galicians are closer to the Portuguese, naturally; that's just obvious.




You obviously know very little about genetics, you showed that when you said that Frenchmen are closer to North Italians/Iberians than to any other group in Europe.

People can see what I said for themselves and relate it back to the quote. They don't need you with your history of dishonesty.

[Atlantic Islander]

You do have a shitty economy and a very different work ethic from Northerners... Southern Europe in general is stereotyped here in the North as lazy.

Different work ethic indeed:


One might conceivably describe the «typical» Azorean as having an affinity for hard work, and possessing an outer gentleness which conceals a rough core.


They stick with the routines of their work, sometimes with such precision that they seem almost obsessive....not one parcel of land lies wasted.


Picaroto ... He surpasses all other Azoreans in the seriousness of his life view, yet this seriousness is tempered, all the while, by an ingenuity that makes him triumphant in almost all of his endeavors.

[Damião de Góis]

Who's the president of The Iberians btw? It's seems we are some sort of organized entity on this forum.