Epicanthic fold

[Barreldriver]

An epicanthic fold, epicanthal fold, or epicanthus is a skin fold of the upper eyelid (from the nose to the inner side of the eyebrow) covering the inner corner (medial canthus) of the eye. The trait arises because the eyelid muscles are weaker or lower compared with people who do not have this epicanthic fold, resulting in a lower fold in the eyelid, when the eyes are open. The fold gives the eyes of East Asians a characteristic shape which is narrower and almond-like in comparison to most Westerners, whose eyes appear rounder.

The term "epicanthic fold" refers to a visually categorized feature of the eyelid; however, there are different underlying causes.

Population distribution

The epicanthic fold occurs commonly in people of Central Asian, East Asian and Southeast Asian descent as a result of adaptive significance, such as the Mongols, Hazaras, Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, Vietnamese, Kazakhs and some South and Southeast Asians like Burmese, Filipinos, Cambodians, Malays, Thais, Bhutanese,Northern Bangladeshis, Northern Nepalis, Tibetans, Ladakhis and others. It also occurs in Afro-Asians, Khoisans (Capoids) in Africa and Madagascar, and certain groups from southern Sudan such as the Dinka and the Nuer. Epicanthic folds can also be found inherited among some Oceanic peoples including Tongans, Samoans, Micronesians, and Hawaiians. Many Inuits and some Native Americans may have it as well. Also occurs in Scandinavians, and is common in Scandinavian babies.


Anyone care to vouch for that last statement? Scandinavians with epicanthic folds?

And on another note, anyone here with em?

I think I've got one, but not in the typical Asian fashion, got the fold, but I also show two instead of one eyelids:

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k438/ragnarok1227/IMG_0959.jpg

[Allenson]

I see no epicanthus here, Barreldriver. I do however see the fleshy skin fold common amongst UP Europid types as a result of low orbital height.

I'm talking about the fold of skin over your eyes/below your brow.

[Útrám]

Leader of Libya Muammar al-Gaddafi, a North African UP.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/36/Muammar_al-Gaddafi_at_the_AU_summit.jpg/400px-Muammar_al-Gaddafi_at_the_AU_summit.jpg

[Loki]

Also occurs in Scandinavians, and is common in Scandinavian babies.


Fascinating. This is from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicanthic_fold), but it mentions no other source.

[Útrám]

Fascinating. This is from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicanthic_fold), but it mentions no other source.

How dare you question Wikipedia's truthfulness? Wikipedia is accurate[citation needed]

[Treffie]

There are two types of epicanthic fold, an inner one and an outer one. It is the inner one that usually distinguishes more eastern looking populations from western ones. Barreldriver, you have the beginnings of an outer epicanthic fold.

[Tabiti]

Maybe it's evolutional sign, developed in regions with more wind - cold or sandy. That explains why Scandinavians and Africans have it.

I don't think I have it or?

[Guapo]

Maybe it's evolutional sign, developed in regions with more wind - cold or sandy. That explains why Scandinavians and Africans have it.

I don't think I have it or?

No you don't have it. Nice eyes btw.

[Guapo]

I see no epicanthus here, Barreldriver. I do however see the fleshy skin fold common amongst UP Europid types as a result of low orbital height.

I'm talking about the fold of skin over your eyes/below your brow.

I have that too.Exactly like Barreldriver's eyes.

[Brännvin]

Also occurs in Scandinavians, and is common in Scandinavian babies.

I never saw it here, is there some other source in addition to wikipedia claiming it?

This is total misinformation...

[Amarantine]

I never saw it here, is there some other source in addition to wikipedia claiming it?

This is total misinformation...


Why you think that? I think I saw a lot of pictures about Scandinavians with this kind of eyes shape, with light color, there were so beautiful,btw. But I am too much lazy to search the net for pictures:)

[Amarantine]

Leader of Libya Muammar al-Gaddafi, a North African UP.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/36/Muammar_al-Gaddafi_at_the_AU_summit.jpg/400px-Muammar_al-Gaddafi_at_the_AU_summit.jpg

He has this fold becouse of his age.

[Loki]

I lived with this beautiful Swedish girl (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1028&stc=1&d=1237244411) in a house in London. It can't be observed clearly in this picture, but she appeared to have some sort of epicanthic folds on closer inspection. Totally gorgeous girl, there is no look I find more attractive than the Scandinavian blonde.

[Amarantine]

I lived with this beautiful Swedish girl (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1028&stc=1&d=1237244411) in a house in London. It can't be observed clearly in this picture, but she appeared to have some sort of epicanthic folds on closer inspection. Totally gorgeous girl, there is no look I find more attractive than the Scandinavian blonde.

She is beautiful, and for me she has epicanthic fold...I am glad you agreed with me...but may be there are more types of epicanthic folds?

[Brännvin]

Why you think that? I think I saw a lot of pictures about Scandinavians with this kind of eyes shape, with light color, there were so beautiful,btw. But I am too much lazy to search the net for pictures:)

Why I simply disagree with what is posted on wikipedia (wikipedia is an interesting tool when they to link a specific information to a credible source, if not, it is biased), in some way they generalize only on Scandinavians populations without even posting a source, and others, the Eastern Europeans, Finns, Southern Eastern Europeans where are they?

Not to mention that the text in question is extremely poor in information...

[Loki]

She is beautiful, and for me she has epicanthic fold...I am glad you agreed with me...but may be there are more types of epicanthic folds?

If this is some kind of epicanthus, it's likely a localized Northern adaptation to extreme cold weather, rather than suggesting a Mongoloid origin. One must understand that similar-looking traits can develop independently based on similar climatic conditions. We've actually discussed this indepth on the old Northern anthro mailing list, probably about 9 or 10 years ago.

[Brännvin]

About me Amarantine, answering the your question by the rep, I don't have ;)

Haven't you seen my photos posted on the defunct Hbf and AF?? Or you don't remember! :D :P

[Amarantine]

About me Amarantine, answering the your question by the rep, I don't have ;)

Haven't you seen my photos posted on the defunct Hbf and AF?? Or you don't remember! :D :P

No, I never saw your photos simply becouse I rarely read those threads with personal pictures, I know just a few members by photos.

And even I don't know one of my favourite members, here and there...he will recognized himself if he read this...;)


P.S. But you could send me your photos anytime :wink:coffee:

[Amarantine]

If this is some kind of epicanthus, it's likely a localized Northern adaptation to extreme cold weather, rather than suggesting a Mongoloid origin. One must understand that similar-looking traits can develop independently based on similar climatic conditions. We've actually discussed this indepth on the old Northern anthro mailing list, probably about 9 or 10 years ago.

But Mongols eyes had different eye shape, you could not compare that. My mother have epicanthus fold even we don't live in cold climate zone neither we are Mongols. And here in Montenegro a lot of blond and semi blond people have that epicathus fold similar to your gf...and we are not Scandinavians, too. :cool:

And, I am quite new in anthro so, my appology if we talk about an old subject ...

[Loki]

similar to your gf...

She is/was never my girlfriend. :D I wasn't that lucky, and maybe too shy at that point. :(

[Barreldriver]

I see no epicanthus here, Barreldriver. I do however see the fleshy skin fold common amongst UP Europid types as a result of low orbital height.

I'm talking about the fold of skin over your eyes/below your brow.

So that's what it is, I thought it was epacanthus lol. There's not too many comparison pics around comparing a true epacanthic fold to a non-empacanthic.

[Barreldriver]

Fascinating. This is from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicanthic_fold), but it mentions no other source.

That's why I wanted verification from the Scandinavians here. :D

[Svarogstan]

I had an obvious outer epicanthic fold when I was a toddler.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3471/3852074054_af9609f52a_b.jpg

If you have not worked it out I am the one on the left my sister on the right.


I am not Scandinavian (Croatian ancestry) but I found out recently that I have a distant cousin who is Finnish. I am not sure if Finns are classified as Scandinavian? As you can see from the picture I have a very East Baltid look about me. This epicanthic fold in me is not so prominent now that I am an adult.

[Stefan]

If I recall correctly, almost all babies are born with Epicanthic folds. I was born with one, as was both of my parents. The biggest distinguishing feature between East Asians and other races is the lack of a brow ridge, high cheek bones(which actually cause the eyes to slant in a different angle), and sloping foreheads(non-relative to the discussion). Otherwise, any epicanthic fold would be quite unnoticeable. Having said all of that, you do not have an Epicanthic fold. This is what an epicanthic fold looks like.

http://waynesword.palomar.edu/images/epican1.jpg


Edit: I just noticed what you were talking about. That is just caused by extra skin on your nose. Nothing else.

[Kadu]

Here are some types of eye folds

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o21/Kadu_album/eyefoldsil5.jpg


I have something between the medium and the external one.

[Svarogstan]

If I recall correctly, almost all babies are born with Epicanthic folds. I was born with one, as was both of my parents. The biggest distinguishing feature between East Asians and other races is the lack of a brow ridge, high cheek bones(which actually cause the eyes to slant in a different angle), and sloping foreheads(non-relative to the discussion). Otherwise, any epicanthic fold would be quite unnoticeable. Having said all of that, you do not have an Epicanthic fold. This is what an epicanthic fold looks like.

http://waynesword.palomar.edu/images/epican1.jpg


Edit: I just noticed what you were talking about. That is just caused by extra skin on your nose. Nothing else.

These are epicanthic folds in Asians :rolleyes:. Europeans would be different.

[Karl]

Scandinavians never have full epicanthic folds, it's just adaption to the cold. You can especially notice it among Finns, who have lived in Northern Europe for the longest period, they are also the least mixed European ethnicity(Finns are a genetic isolate) and anthropologically they're probably the closest to the original Northern European population.(As they are the original Northern Europeans)

This thread reminds me of this post (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=100538&postcount=3):


Theres something called finneyes. It resembles to a degree epicantic folds, but has a few detail differences. In return way over 90% has that...
I am yet to ever see full epicantic folds here.


One of the main differences being is that the red dot right next to the nose (inside eye) is visible. Whesreas for epicantic folds its not. Which was also the criteria used by the SS.

[Aino]

After comparing pictures of my own eyes to pictures of other Europeans' eyes, I have also come to the conclusion that I have either remnants of epicanthic folds or something resembling inner epicanthic folds. They are similar to Barreldriver's but maybe not quite as pronounced.

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/2883/eyesb.jpg

[Stefan]

These are epicanthic folds in Asians :rolleyes:. Europeans would be different.

I don't agree with that idea of there being two different kinds. You either have an Epicanthic fold or you don't. If it is something else then it is something else, not Epicanthus. Also, the picture was meant to show how it was different from the full asian and the half asian. As for the discussion of inner and outer folds, most asian's have both, but they aren't limited to having both. Europeans may develop "fat" or "skin" around their eyes that allow a semblance of an epicanthic fold, but it isn't the same thing, and it definitely doesn't have the same effect. Now Epicanthic folds could be different based on admixture, but that is just that, admixture.

[Lahtari]

Theres something called finneyes. It resembles to a degree epicantic folds, but has a few detail differences. In return way over 90% has that..

Never heard of anything like that. Any examples?

The only folds I can see regularly are outer ones like Barreldriver's.

[Freomæg]

this beautiful Swedish girl (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1028&stc=1&d=1237244411).
:eek: She looks the spitting image of my girlfriend's sister, who is English. My girlfriend herself has brown hair and eyes and therefore not so much the typical Swedish look. Just goes to show how varied the phenotypes can be between siblings.

[Svarogstan]

I don't agree with that idea of there being two different kinds. You either have an Epicanthic fold or you don't. If it is something else then it is something else, not Epicanthus. Also, the picture was meant to show how it was different from the full asian and the half asian. As for the discussion of inner and outer folds, most asian's have both, but they aren't limited to having both. Europeans may develop "fat" or "skin" around their eyes that allow a semblance of an epicanthic fold, but it isn't the same thing, and it definitely doesn't have the same effect. Now Epicanthic folds could be different based on admixture, but that is just that, admixture.

I never said their were two different kinds I said they were different. If you had bothered to have read the other post (by Kadu and Karl) you would not have questioned what I had said.

The definition of canthus "The angle formed by the meeting of the upper and lower eyelids at either side of the eye."

"Epi" meaning on top off in Latin. Therfore an epicanthus is an eye fold of any sorts on the canthus of the eye. You can have an inner, outer or medial epicanthus. I said I had an outer epicanthus which is a fold on the temporal canthus of my eyes.

[Stefan]

What I meant was epicanthic or other eye folds are different in terms of type between races. If you had bothered to have read the other post (by Kadu and Karl) you would not have questioned what I had said.

Kadu posted this diagram.

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o21/Kadu_album/eyefoldsil5.jpg

Yes, there are different types of folds, but nowhere does it say that it is exclusive to one race. Actually, all of those can be found in "Asian" populations, including "no fold". I don't see how Karl's post is relevant. In Europeans, most Epicanthic folds are lost before adult hood. Sometimes due to many reasons, they aren't fully lost though, or somebody can develop one at an old age. Epicanthic folds are just an adaption of extra fat due to light and harsh weathering conditions. There is reason to believe that any "genes" for them were in the earliest of Humans, especially when you look at the Bushmen. It is only when the environment calls for it, that you would retain it, as well as later generations retaining them due to a high incidence. There are different types of Epicanthic folds, but none is exclusive to one race as you tried to point out.

[Svarogstan]

Kadu posted this diagram.

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o21/Kadu_album/eyefoldsil5.jpg

Yes, there are different types of folds, but nowhere does it say that it is exclusive to one race. Actually, all of those can be found in "Asian" populations, including "no fold". I don't see how Karl's post is relevant. In Europeans, most Epicanthic folds are lost before adult hood. Sometimes due to many reasons, they aren't fully lost though, or somebody can develop one at an old age. Epicanthic folds are just an adaption of extra fat due to light and harsh weathering conditions. There is reason to believe that any "genes" for them were in the earliest of Humans, especially when you look at the Bushmen. It is only when the environment calls for it, that you would retain it, as well as later generations retaining them due to a high incidence. There are different types of Epicanthic folds, but none is exclusive to one race as you tried to point out.

"Epicanthic folds are just an adaption of extra fat due to light and harsh weathering conditions"

I don't think that's true. Epicanthic folds are due to muscle weakness of the eyelid. If it were a true adaptation than there would have been a selective advantage for this which I would think impossible ie. people with an epicanthic fold would have survived longer (to reproductive age) than those without one!?? What could have killed the ones without it? retinopathy?...hardly.

[Stefan]

"Epicanthic folds are just an adaption of extra fat due to light and harsh weathering conditions"

I don't think that's true. Epicanthic folds are due to muscle weakness of the eyelid. If it were a true adaptation than there would have been a selective advantage for this which I would think impossible ie. people with an epicanthic fold would have survived longer (to reproductive age) than those without one!?? What could have killed the ones without it? retinopathy?...hardly.

I agree that weak muscles are the cause that bring the effect I mentioned - extra skin/fat around the eye. This weakness of the muscles is most likely caused by environmental adaption to weathering patterns(wind, storms) and/or the extra light in North Asia as well as other areas of the world. You could die from many ways, such as not being able to see as well as those with the folds in these harsh conditions.

[Svarogstan]

I agree that weak muscles are the cause that bring the effect I mentioned - extra skin/fat around the eye. This weakness of the muscles is most likely caused by environmental adaption to weathering patterns(wind, storms) and/or the extra light in North Asia as well as other areas of the world. You could die from many ways, such as not being able to see as well as those with the folds in these harsh conditions.

I think you are clutching at straws.

[Stefan]

I think you are clutching at straws.

Dare I plead against that thought? Really, there isn't a definite answer to the cause of Epicanthic folds, but it is mostly accepted that they are caused by intense light and cold. It isn't exclusive either in full or type to East Asians. I have no reason to be desperate in this discussion, nor would I choose to be. If I am wrong I will admit it. In this case, I can't be wrong because there is no right.

[Majar]

After comparing pictures of my own eyes to pictures of other Europeans' eyes, I have also come to the conclusion that I have either remnants of epicanthic folds or something resembling inner epicanthic folds. They are similar to Barreldriver's but maybe not quite as pronounced.

Epicanthic (mongoloid) folds have a completely different physiognomy (http://media1.nfb.ca/medias/nfb_tube/thumbs_large/2008/western-eyes-large_.jpg) to what your photo and Barreldriver's photos shows.

In the womb we all have eye folds. As the nasal bridge elevates in utero and from infancy to childhood, the fold is lost in most people. What is causing your, Barreldriver (and my) eyelids to have a fold is a low nasal bridge, whereas with Mongoloid folds the trait is not altered by the height of the nasal bridge. To illustrate this: singer Ken Hirai (http://kenhirai.canalblog.com/) (who, despite appearances, is 100% Japanese) has a tall nasal bridge (http://i48.tinypic.com/ve6qad.jpg) even by Caucasoid standards, yet he has epicanthic folds (http://i47.tinypic.com/28aot4n.jpg).

[Lulletje Rozewater]

I never saw it here, is there some other source in addition to wikipedia claiming it?

This is total misinformation...

Scandinavians are the ONLY European group to have the epicanthic fold. The other group is, and only is, Asian and Asian sub-races.

Scandinavians, as well, have it due to their Asian ancestry.

http://prueeuropeans.blogspot.com/2009/07/epicanthic-fold.html

[Fred]

She is/was never my girlfriend. :D I wasn't that lucky, and maybe too shy at that point. :(You're not old or lucky enough to be with my married aunt, so cut it out...:eek:


That's why I wanted verification from the Scandinavians here. :D Hmm.:p

[Sventovit]

Scandinavians never have full epicanthic folds, it's just adaption to the cold. You can especially notice it among Finns, who have lived in Northern Europe for the longest period, they are also the least mixed European ethnicity(Finns are a genetic isolate) and anthropologically they're probably the closest to the original Northern European population.(As they are the original Northern Europeans)

LOL. What are you smoking and where can I buy it?

[Stefan]

Look what I can do. :D Since my skin is so elasticy I can move it easily. By doing that around my eye, I can make something that resembles an Epicanthic Fold. :P

Regular Eye(as you can see my eye is Almond shaped so it works well)
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3253&d=1259666904

When I move my skin.
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3254&d=1259666904

[Alex350]

Here an extrem exampel:

[Grey]

Scandinavians are the ONLY European group to have the epicanthic fold. The other group is, and only is, Asian and Asian sub-races.

Scandinavians, as well, have it due to their Asian ancestry.

http://prueeuropeans.blogspot.com/2009/07/epicanthic-fold.html

Scandinavians aren't the only ones that can have them; my mom's French and has so called "nordic epicanthi".

[Alex350]

Something like that? (Scandinavians epicanthic)

[Tony]

Kadu posted this diagram.

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o21/Kadu_album/eyefoldsil5.jpg



Seems I have no epicanthus at all , just like you :coffee:

http://i45.tinypic.com/220yft.jpg

http://i50.tinypic.com/10z39n5.jpg

[Kadu]

Seems I have no epicanthus at all , just like you :coffee:

By what i've seen in this pic (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=152530&postcount=1886) you seem to have something between a median fold and an external epicanthus. Very similar to mine actually.

[Tony]

By what i've seen in this pic (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=152530&postcount=1886) you seem to have something between a median fold and an external epicanthus. Very similar to mine actually.

I think that's just an impression , wrong , since I've a lot of fat skin that tends to fall over and cover my eyelids , that's why I wanted to take a couple of very close pics of my eyes , in the first one I've slightly squinted my eyes beacause of the direct lightening so it seems I have some sort of epicanthus ; in the second one , taken with normal lightening , I didn't squint at all and it shows a regular eyelid , that goes from the outer corner right to the inner one , at most I could have a median fold but it shows only when I squint , like in the other picture.

[josephgr]

Hi there, I just noticed i have a fold in my eyes, could anyone tell me more about it?

Here is a recent picture. I'm hispanic, so I know there's a mix somewhere, tho neither of my parents have this fold, but my lil bro does too!

Thanks!
Joe

[Loki]

Hi there, I just noticed i have a fold in my eyes, could anyone tell me more about it?

Here is a recent picture. I'm hispanic, so I know there's a mix somewhere, tho neither of my parents have this fold, but my lil bro does too!

Thanks!
Joe

A clear Mongoloid, you're gonna have to shoot yourself now.

[Pallantides]

Kadu posted this diagram.

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o21/Kadu_album/eyefoldsil5.jpg

Yes, there are different types of folds, but nowhere does it say that it is exclusive to one race. Actually, all of those can be found in "Asian" populations, including "no fold". I don't see how Karl's post is relevant. In Europeans, most Epicanthic folds are lost before adult hood. Sometimes due to many reasons, they aren't fully lost though, or somebody can develop one at an old age. Epicanthic folds are just an adaption of extra fat due to light and harsh weathering conditions. There is reason to believe that any "genes" for them were in the earliest of Humans, especially when you look at the Bushmen. It is only when the environment calls for it, that you would retain it, as well as later generations retaining them due to a high incidence. There are different types of Epicanthic folds, but none is exclusive to one race as you tried to point out.

I seem to have a median fold.


Many Scandinavians have the 'external ephicantus'

[Eldritch]

A clear Mongoloid, you're gonna have to shoot yourself now.

I think that race-mixing, coal-burning slut on his right needs to go too. Pity, she would have made a decent tr00 Aryan breeding machine.

[Riipitsiip]

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[rhiannon]

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTHyuFbOjQPft10oNsZuGChbRIRCvpGc Fnc61Fk-Mw40U2jWBFO&t=1

Bavarian girl in Germany. She is very striking.

[Hess]

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTHyuFbOjQPft10oNsZuGChbRIRCvpGc Fnc61Fk-Mw40U2jWBFO&t=1

Bavarian girl in Germany. She is very striking.

People like that can be and are found in Germany and Austria. Another example is Klaus Brandauer.

http://trialx.com/curetalk/wp-content/blogs.dir/7/files/2011/04/gcelebrities/Klaus_Maria_Brandauer-3.jpg

[Riipitsiip]

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[Hess]

That looks more like old age than a epicanthic fold. Can see in this pictures that both corners of his eyes are open rather than folded "shut" because of the upper eyelid.

http://www.filmreference.com/images/sjff_03_img0972.jpg

Old age may very well be a factor, but even in that picture one can see a pseudo mongoloid appearance. In fact, Klaus is used as an example of an East Baltid here http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/rg-east.htm

[Riipitsiip]

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[Equilibrium]

Günther Beckstein. Even considering his age, I still find his eye folds very pronounced.

http://www.welt.de/multimedia/archive/00475/beckstein1_DW_Vermi_475911p.jpg

http://www.der-bayern-blog.de/wp-content/gallery/bayern1/guenther-beckstein.jpg

[Tony]

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Accordin to the map posted by Pallantides you have an internal epicanthus, it's visibile by lookin at the inner corners of the eyes.

[finþaų]

Why haven't I seen this thread before? It shall become my new favourite! :D


Scandinavians are the ONLY European group to have the epicanthic fold. The other group is, and only is, Asian and Asian sub-races.

Scandinavians, as well, have it due to their Asian ancestry.

http://prueeuropeans.blogspot.com/2009/07/epicanthic-fold.html

Dutchies, can you toss me an ounce of whatever it is this compatriot of yours is smoking?

[Pallantides]

"Pure Europeans" blog... seem like very reliable information.:D

[evon]

My niece has some weird stuff going with her eyes and nose, had it since she was a baby, but i always assumed they would go away, but now she is starting to get older and they are still there (her Halloween picture, hence the face paint):

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/2682/52645335.jpg

[finþaų]

My niece has some weird stuff going with her eyes and nose, had it since she was a baby, but i always assumed they would go away, but now she is starting to get older and they are still there (her Halloween picture, hence the face paint):



I think the peculiarities are caused by the nasal root, which appears to be unusually broad and flat. The most likely cause is simply natural variation I think, though it could perhaps be the result of a mild congenital defect.

[Corvus]

I have an epicanthic fold too and I am not Scandinavian

[Pallantides]

I have an epicanthic fold too and I am not Scandinavian

No doubt one of your ancestors was a Lappo-norse horny Viking.

[finþaų]

I have an epicanthic fold too and I am not Scandinavian

Is it really a proper epicanthus, or just a pronounced median/external fold?

[Corvus]

Is it really a proper epicanthus, or just a pronounced median/external fold?

I don`t know. I could send you my picture and you can examine it more closely.

[Graham]

finþaų posted a British footballer with this.

http://i.imgur.com/vS2dE.jpg

[finþaų]

The man looks strikingly English/British to me, despite his peculiar fold.

[Pallantides]

finþaų posted a British footballer with this.

http://i.imgur.com/vS2dE.jpg

Must be the son of a Uralo-Viking.

[finþaų]

Another Brit displaying an epicanthic tendency:

http://i.imgur.com/uzALa.jpg

Finnuit fold (here observed in a far-North Swede). Contrary to popular opinion, the Finnuit fold is not a full epicanthus at all, as it does not typically descend below the inner corners of the eyes, leaving them fully exposed:

http://i.imgur.com/c0b4Z.png

[finþaų]

The Björk is distinct from the Finnuit fold, as it (obviously) descends below the inner corners of her eyes. Judging from what I have seen, it is more common in West Scandinavians that it is in Finnuits (though not common at all):

http://i.imgur.com/DtqeE.jpg

[Graham]

What aboot this lad?

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1144434#post1144434

[finþaų]

What aboot this lad?

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1144434#post1144434

No epicanthic tendency really, just a somewhat heavy upper lid.

[Sahaye]

31299

Hi,

I am new here and found this very interesting page while trying to find what the shape of my eye is. I find it interesting that this has been regarded as a very Asian feature. I am South-Asian and have absolutely no Asian ancestary.

Mughals according to Wikipedia apparently claim persian/Turkic ancestary.


Would love to hear the views of people who know more about this subject!


Also I narrowed the eye shape down to possibly 'hooded', 'phoenix-eyes', though I am not sure.

cheers!

[Duskfall]

31299

Hi,

I am new here and found this very interesting page while trying to find what the shape of my eye is. I find it interesting that this has been regarded as a very Asian feature. I am South-Asian and have absolutely no Asian ancestary.

Mughals according to Wikipedia apparently claim persian/Turkic ancestary.


Would love to hear the views of people who know more about this subject!


Also I narrowed the eye shape down to possibly 'hooded', 'phoenix-eyes', though I am not sure.

cheers!

You are more Turkic looking than Turks on average. :)

[o__o]

A clear indicator of Mongoloid blood.

[Loki]

It is an epicanthic fold, although not as striking as those of East Asians of course.

Did you know that people from the Indian subcontinent have high levels of East Asian ancestry? It varies from region I guess, and I'm not sure if it stretches so far west into Pakistan.

[Sahaye]

I have, on occasion been confused as a non-Pakistani, I suppose I do look somewhat east-asian.

Unfortunately, cannot fathom where that possibly comes from, probably goes way way back. Genghis Khan is my shot in the dark.

Thanks for the comments!

[Loki]

I have, on occasion been confused as a non-Pakistani, I suppose I do look somewhat east-asian.

Unfortunately, cannot fathom where that possibly comes from, probably goes way way back. Genghis Khan is my shot in the dark.

Thanks for the comments!

Have you ever been interested in genetics? For example, a 23andme test would tell you what percentage of East Asian genes you have, if any.

[Sahaye]

I am very interested in genetics but have very little information regarding my own background. I had no idea they have a test for that! Sounds VERY exciting. I wonder how I could go about getting one done. I will have to do some research regarding that.

I was watching Mad Men and I noticed this american actress with similar eye.31321

I also read that Bengalis have a lot of mongoloid ancestry. I am not a Bengali by far but have at times been told I look like one.

Also I don't know if this was mentioned earlier but East asians usually have a mono-lid as well as an epicanthic fold, I on the other hand have just the fold.

I find that the fold sort of casts a shadow and creates an appearance of deep eye bags under the eyes, which is super annoying.

[Loki]

We have lots about genetics on this site - you can have a look.

The test I'm talking about:

www.23andme.com

Many of us have done it.