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Osprey
11-21-2012, 10:25 AM
For us ignorants out there, after spending more than 9 months on the forum, we are still not very clear about one important issue. The Balkan Wars.
Who are the players?
What are the issues?
Which are the multi teamers?

My knowledge so far...
Kosovo Issue : rashka, Sorab, Guapo vs dralos, Drawing Live, albozfinest, inird
Islam Issue : Vanguard, Mraz vs All others
Slavs vs Illyrians issue : rashka, Sorab, Guapo, XtraXavier, rusty, Sarmatian, jusia9, etc etc vs dralos and his albanian brothers (and sisters, if there are any (oops, Aura is there :D)))

Corvus
11-21-2012, 10:27 AM
One of the few topics I never touched :icon_lol:

Behemot
11-21-2012, 10:30 AM
All I can say..............you have no idea what you're getting in to :D

Methmatician
11-21-2012, 10:38 AM
You can't make the Balkans 'simple'. It just doesn't fit. It's like trying to make America secular; on the surface it looks that way, but if you dig deeper, you'll see it's a nothing like the surface :D

Mraz
11-21-2012, 10:43 AM
11/21/2012

Remember that date... when everything has started :D

Onur
11-21-2012, 11:31 AM
Actually the reason of Balkan wars is not that complicated as it looks. Balkan wars has been created to land grab from Ottoman Macedonia. It was some kind of race about who will get the biggest portion of it. Ofc the great powers was behind the scenes because Russia wanted Bulgaria to either get Aegean Macedonia or Istanbul to make sure Russian naval force safely sets sail to Mediterranean. On the other hand, British empire wanted Greece to get Aegean Macedonia as well as stopping Russian lap dogs Bulgaria to get close to Istanbul bosphorus at the same time.

Brits wanted to prevent Russia to set sail in Mediterranean and they desired them to remain as locked up inside Blacksea as it was before. Greece took over Aegean part and eventually Brits won the game in the end. No one cared who gets Pirin and Vardar sections at all. Those were unimportant parts of Macedonia, in terms of great power`s benefit.

morski
11-21-2012, 11:37 AM
Actually the reason of Balkan wars is not that complicated as it looks. Balkan wars has been created to land grab from Ottoman Macedonia. It was some kind of race about who will get the biggest portion of it. Ofc the great powers was behind the scenes because Russia wanted Bulgaria to either get Aegean Macedonia or Istanbul to make sure Russian naval force safely sets sail to Mediterranean. On the other hand, British empire wanted Greece to get Aegean Macedonia as well as stopping Russian lap dogs Bulgaria to get close to Istanbul bosphorus at the same time.

Brits wanted to prevent Russia to set sail in Mediterranean and they desired them to remain as locked up inside Blacksea as it was before. Greece took over Aegean part and eventually Brits won the game in the end. No one cared who gets Pirin and Vardar sections at all. Those were unimportant parts of Macedonia, in terms of great power`s benefit.

How many times do I need to destroy this argument so your thick head gets it, mm?

Flintlocke
11-21-2012, 11:40 AM
For us ignorants out there, after spending more than 9 months on the forum, we are still not very clear about one important issue. The Balkan Wars.
Who are the players?
What are the issues?
Which are the multi teamers?

My knowledge so far...
Kosovo Issue : rashka, Sorab, Guapo vs dralos, Drawing Live, albozfinest, inird
Islam Issue : Vanguard, Mraz vs All others
Slavs vs Illyrians issue : rashka, Sorab, Guapo, XtraXavier, rusty, Sarmatian, jusia9, etc etc vs dralos and his albanian brothers (and sisters, if there are any (oops, Aura is there :D)))

It's a pandora's box and you shouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole. There are land issues that go back more than 1000 years.

Anusiya
11-21-2012, 11:43 AM
Actually the reason of Balkan wars is not that complicated as it looks. Balkan wars has been created to land grab from Ottoman Macedonia. It was some kind of race about who will get the biggest portion of it. Ofc the great powers was behind the scenes because Russia wanted Bulgaria to either get Aegean Macedonia or Istanbul to make sure Russian naval force safely sets sail to Mediterranean. On the other hand, British empire wanted Greece to get Aegean Macedonia as well as stopping Russian lap dogs Bulgaria to get close to Istanbul bosphorus at the same time.

Brits wanted to prevent Russia to set sail in Mediterranean and they desired them to remain as locked up inside Blacksea as it was before. Greece took over Aegean part and eventually Brits won the game in the end. No one cared who gets Pirin and Vardar sections at all. Those were unimportant parts of Macedonia, in terms of great power`s benefit.

For the 3489249293479012379723018947nth time, the Turks show their only card/argument:

"Why are you behaving like "giaurs"? We were benevolent and all mercy-full, we built you roads, we wanted the best for you, and you treated us like this?"

Nice try "afendi", doesn't work anymore. :D

kabeiros
11-21-2012, 11:46 AM
"Why are you behaving like "giaurs"? We were benevolent and all mercy-full, we built you roads, we wanted the best for you, and you treated us like this?" :dielaughing:

Anusiya
11-21-2012, 11:47 AM
:dielaughing:

Eh, whatever, I didn't know what to put in there, minarets? :D

morski
11-21-2012, 11:48 AM
Onur is just butthurt, because he can't afford to lead the life-style of his grandpa the Pomak.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1165547&postcount=79

kabeiros
11-21-2012, 11:49 AM
Even their mosques were built by Greeks, Albanians and Armenians :cool:

Mary
11-21-2012, 11:51 AM
Bulgaria should be annexed to Rumania as punishment for their actions in WW1.

morski
11-21-2012, 11:54 AM
Bulgaria should be annexed to Rumania as punishment for their actions in WW1.

LOL:D


And it's Romānia, not Rumania.

Sultan Suleiman
11-21-2012, 11:57 AM
The godless bastards should all convert and problem solved...


































































































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Osprey
11-21-2012, 11:58 AM
Bulgaria should be annexed to Rumania as punishment for their actions in WW1.

A "should happen" post from Mary?
Will miracles never cease?
you are the most practical person and have a solution to everything. You should not be writing posts which whiners do...

Onur
11-21-2012, 12:23 PM
How many times do I need to destroy this argument so your thick head gets it, mm?
You cannot explain Bulgarian persistence to invade Istanbul by any other reason.

Tell me, whats got to do with Bulgaria and Istanbul? Whats the relation? What Bulgaria was trying to achieve if it wasn't Russia who was all behind it?

morski
11-21-2012, 12:37 PM
You cannot explain Bulgarian persistence to invade Istanbul by any other reason.

Tell me, whats got to do with Bulgaria and Istanbul? Whats the relation? What Bulgaria was trying to achieve if it wasn't Russia who was all behind it?

The desire of the general staff for the best possible position in the peace negotiations as well as Tsar Ferdinand's personal dream of resurrecting the Byzantine empire with himself being the emperor.

http://www.segabg.com/pic/10820/600898-l.jpg
Ferdinand as a Byzantine emperor, left.


Bulgaria and Russia had very strenuous relationship. Russia failed to secure the implementation of San Stefano treaty. They were constantly butting in Bulgaria's internal affairs, staged several attempts at coup d'etat, at one point even invaded Varna. Russia was against the unification of the principality of Bulgaria and Eastern Rumelia and withdrew their citizens who were the senior officers in the young Bulgarian army in the eve of the Serbo-Bulgarian War (which was hence dubbed the War of the captains). Russia severed diplomatic relations with Bulgaria for a decade following this incident. Russia failed to fulfil its role as an arbiter in the Serbo-Bulgarian dispute regarding Macedonia after the First Balkan War, which lead to Bulgaria losing MAcedonia and the Second Balkan War (An event dubbed the First NAtional Catastrophe in Bulgaria). Bulgaria and Russia/USSR have been enemies in both World Wars.

Now, did any of this penetrate into your thick skull?

Onur
11-21-2012, 12:56 PM
The desire of the general staff for the best possible position in the peace negotiations as well as Tsar Ferdinand's personal dream of resurrecting the Byzantine empire with himself being the emperor.
Yes, i believe you Morski!

Bulgaria mobilized all their army to invade Istanbul just because of getting a good position on the table of future peace negotiations and just because Tsar Ferdinand had a dream about being the new Roman emperor one night and woke up with shining smile on his face.

Do you Bulgarian hicks really believe these nonsense? Is that what they tell you in school? :picard2:

Who the fuck was Bulgaria when it comes to Istanbul and Roman empire? Who did you think you were? By what right you were supposedly get to the throne of east Roman empire while there was mother Russia waiting in the background and the mighty Moscow at behind? Who was the Bulgaria of 1912, a world superpower according to yourselves?!! And who the fuck was Tsar Ferdinand beside being a lapdog of mother Russia?

It was the most pathetic invasion attempt ever in the history. We kicked your asses and you gone back to where you belong in matter of 5-6 months. On top of that, you let Greeks to get Macedonia too while you were trying to fulfill Tsar Ferdinand`s wet dream of being Roman empire.

Allenson
11-21-2012, 01:05 PM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_cRMuYsTFADE/S7qeGHHH62I/AAAAAAAAAA8/cGH1t3Pu-lY/s1600/i-need-a-hole-in-the-head-like-i-need-a-hole-in-the-head.jpg

morski
11-21-2012, 01:14 PM
Yes, i believe you Morski!

Bulgaria mobilized all their army to invade Istanbul just because of getting a good position on the table of future peace negotiations and just because Tsar Ferdinand had a dream about being the new Roman emperor one night and woke up with shining smile on his face.

Do you Bulgarian hicks really believe these nonsense? Is that what they tell you in school? :picard2:

Who the fuck was Bulgaria when it comes to Istanbul and Roman empire? Who did you think you were? By what right you were supposedly get to the throne of east Roman empire while there was mother Russia waiting in the background and the mighty Moscow at behind? Who was the Bulgaria of 1912, a world superpower according to yourselves?!! And who the fuck was Tsar Ferdinand beside being a lapdog of mother Russia?

It was the most pathetic invasion attempt ever in the history. We kicked your asses and you gone back to where you belong in matter of 5-6 months. On top of that, you let Greeks to get Macedonia too while you were trying to fulfill Tsar Ferdinand`s wet dream of being Roman empire.

You are clearly unable to go beyond repeating historical cliches and critical thought seems to be just out of your reach. Last time I tell you - Bulgaria and Russia were not on amicable terms for most of 1878 - 1945.

Arthas
11-21-2012, 01:29 PM
Everyone hates Albania
Everyone hates Serbia

/thread

Onur
11-21-2012, 02:02 PM
You are clearly unable to go beyond repeating historical cliches and critical thought seems to be just out of your reach. Last time I tell you - Bulgaria and Russia were not on amicable terms for most of 1878 - 1945.
OK Morski, we believe you. Your Tsar Ferdanind was going to be the emperor of Roman empire and the protectors of orthodoxy. All the orthodox world, Greeks, Russians, Serbs and everyone else was going to bow him and bow to mighty Bulgarians.

And Turks? Maybe we would serve your Turkish coffee in the bosphorus, or just bow to the Bulgarians.

Yes Morski, that was the one and only goal of the Bulgarians.

:picard1::picard1::picard2:

morski
11-21-2012, 02:05 PM
OK Morski, we believe you. Your Tsar Ferdanind was going to be the emperor of Roman empire and the protectors of orthodoxy. All the orthodox world, Greeks, Russians, Serbs and everyone else was going to bow him and bow to mighty Bulgarians.

And Turks? Maybe we would serve your Turkish coffee in the bosphorus, or just bow to the Bulgarians.

Yes Morski, that was the one and only goal of the Bulgarians.

:picard1::picard1::picard2:

The one and only goal of the Bulgarians was all Bulgarians in one state. Preferably within these borders.

http://vmro-svrg.com/images/Karti/karta_Obedinena_BG.jpg

Leliana
11-21-2012, 02:06 PM
Uhm...better not. :picard2:

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/30574152.jpg

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/19218646.jpg

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m55rejcyWu1rvv1dho1_400.jpg

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/30574303.jpg

Leliana
11-21-2012, 02:12 PM
Meanwhile in Balkania, a new normal day has begun.

http://photoarts.com/haviv/bosnia/image/vukovardrink.jpeg

http://img17.exs.cx/img17/2458/tl0283708wu.jpg

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47166000/jpg/_47166519_kosovofinal.jpg

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i41/Dejan_SCG/album_pic-6.jpg

http://www.rjgeib.com/thoughts/bosnia/serb1.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e399/RaulRigel/Yugoslav%20Wars/Serbsoldiersguardingcommunicationce.jpg

http://www.kosovo.net/rebls.jpg

http://www.warchat.org/pictures/bosnian-serbs-siege.jpg

Osprey
11-21-2012, 02:14 PM
and Leliana has gone on a picture posting spree! :)

Leliana
11-21-2012, 02:16 PM
and Leliana has gone on a picture posting spree! :)
Visualizations show why the Balkan is such a 'hot' issue. Better photos than the 676446th debate about petty topics of the Balkans. :dizzy:

Anusiya
11-21-2012, 02:40 PM
LOL:D


And it's Romānia, not Rumania.

No actually she is right. Romania was Byzantium. Ρωμανία. Rumania is the correct one. Don't ask me why and how, since Rum are the Romans according to the Turks. I know, it's a mindfuck. :picard1:

morski
11-21-2012, 08:58 PM
No actually she is right. Romania was Byzantium. Ρωμανία. Rumania is the correct one. Don't ask me why and how, since Rum are the Romans according to the Turks. I know, it's a mindfuck. :picard1:

Romania is the name of the country.

Trun
11-21-2012, 09:03 PM
Onur is tragic when it comes to Bulgarian history. What a shame, he should learn it, it's his former kin's past after all.

Dacul
11-22-2012, 12:43 AM
Meanwhile in Balkania, a new normal day has begun.

http://photoarts.com/haviv/bosnia/image/vukovardrink.jpeg

http://img17.exs.cx/img17/2458/tl0283708wu.jpg

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47166000/jpg/_47166519_kosovofinal.jpg

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i41/Dejan_SCG/album_pic-6.jpg

http://www.rjgeib.com/thoughts/bosnia/serb1.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e399/RaulRigel/Yugoslav%20Wars/Serbsoldiersguardingcommunicationce.jpg

http://www.kosovo.net/rebls.jpg

http://www.warchat.org/pictures/bosnian-serbs-siege.jpg


How come Serbia and Albania did not fought till now?
Because some jews,some people from USA and some people from some western Europe powers enraged the people from Balkans that is why.
Why they enraged them?
To gain advantages after these wars.
These people from Balkans are naive,this is the problem.
The corruption from here is because they (people from Balkans) received the jews that were harassed by inquisition from West Europe.
And they let themselves influenced by these jews.

Insuperable
11-22-2012, 01:00 AM
Uhm...better not. :picard2:

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/30574152.jpg


LOOLOLOOO

Dacul
11-22-2012, 01:03 AM
The hatred between croats and serbs is old and have as cause what some idiots from Catholic Church done (most croats are catholic,most serbians - christian orthodox) - more exactly enrage croats versus serbians on religious bases.

iNird
11-22-2012, 01:08 AM
For us ignorants out there, after spending more than 9 months on the forum, we are still not very clear about one important issue. The Balkan Wars.
Who are the players?
What are the issues?
Which are the multi teamers?

My knowledge so far...
Kosovo Issue : rashka, Sorab, Guapo vs dralos, Drawing Live, albozfinest, inird
Islam Issue : Vanguard, Mraz vs All others
Slavs vs Illyrians issue : rashka, Sorab, Guapo, XtraXavier, rusty, Sarmatian, jusia9, etc etc vs dralos and his albanian brothers (and sisters, if there are any (oops, Aura is there :D)))

I don't really touch the Kosovo issue. In fact I believe Kosova je Srbija.
trolololoolo

Dacul
11-22-2012, 01:14 AM
Serbs and alboz from Kosovo lived in peace there hundreds of years at least.
But some idiots enraged serbs versus albanians now.
Look what is now written on wikipedia,lies,without any sources,that in 1870 serbian army deported 160k albanians.
Sure that if that would have happened should be written in lots of sources.

Insuperable
11-22-2012, 01:25 AM
The hatred between croats and serbs is old and have as cause what some idiots from Catholic Church done (most croats are catholic,most serbians - christian orthodox) - more exactly enrage croats versus serbians on religious bases.

Serbs and Croats were baptized at the same time by Rome. It is Eastern World of that time we can thank because Serbs did not stay Catholics because of too many riots at that time.

Grizzly
11-22-2012, 01:26 AM
How come Serbia and Albania did not fought till now?
Because some jews,some people from USA and some people from some western Europe powers enraged the people from Balkans that is why.
Why they enraged them?
To gain advantages after these wars.
These people from Balkans are naive,this is the problem.
The corruption from here is because they (people from Balkans) received the jews that were harassed by inquisition from West Europe.
And they let themselves influenced by these jews.

http://img4.joyreactor.com/pics/post/gif-jews-cristiano-ronaldo-soccer-249614.gif

Arthas
11-22-2012, 07:33 AM
I don't really touch the Kosovo issue. In fact I believe Kosova je Srbija.

Really? Why?