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Turkophagos

07-24-2009, 09:12 AM

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Turkophagos

07-24-2009, 09:17 AM

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Loki

07-24-2009, 09:30 AM

Gerry Stergiopoulos of Big Brother fame, the best known Greek in England:

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Absinthe

07-24-2009, 11:24 AM

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Call the Attica Zoo, a baboon has escaped!! :D :lol00002:

Vargtand

07-24-2009, 11:59 AM

Is it just me or does a majority of the guys look homeless?

Lysander

07-24-2009, 12:40 PM

Oh my God, they are people?! I had no idea!

No but seriously...What? So you have some pictures with random people and you're getting at?

Turkophagos

07-24-2009, 08:59 PM

Is it just me or does a majority of the guys look homeless?

Nah, Greeks are a nation of anarchists and liberals, dressed accordingly. :D

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Oh my God, they are people?! I had no idea!

No but seriously...What? So you have some pictures with random people and you're getting at?

Come again?

Germanicus

07-24-2009, 09:25 PM

Äike

07-24-2009, 09:26 PM

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I'm quite certain that I would stick out in a crowd there with my semi-long light blond hair.

I thought that the average Greek has lighter hair then I just saw. Looks like I have to visit Southern-European countries more:p

Æmeric

07-24-2009, 09:26 PM

What is the purpose of this thread, to show how European the Greeks are or to give to Loyalist a platform to discuss the (allegedly) questionable racial heritage of the contemporay Greeks?:confused: Some of the examples are kind of dodgy looking.

Tabiti

07-24-2009, 09:30 PM

Well, there is nothing bad to post examples of different nationalities in Anthropology section.

Germanicus

07-24-2009, 09:32 PM

Surely Stavros Flatley are the most popular Greeks on British TV?
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Æmeric

07-24-2009, 09:41 PM

Acouple of more famous Greeks:

http://cm1.theinsider.com/media/0/104/20/George-Michael.0.0.0x0.320x320.jpeg

George Michael. Gained a lot of notoriety after approaching an undercover police officer for sex in a public restroom.

http://michaeldukakis.net/images/Michael%20Dukakis/Michael_Dukakis.jpg

Michael Dukakis. Gave George H.W. Bush the biggest margin of victory for a (non-incumbent) Republican running for the presidency.

Turkophagos

07-24-2009, 10:27 PM

What is the purpose of this thread..?:confused:

Anthropological one, check the section it was posted.

Some of the examples are kind of dodgy looking.

Whatever.

Acouple of more famous Greeks:

...

http://michaeldukakis.net/images/Michael%20Dukakis/Michael_Dukakis.jpg

Michael Dukakis. Gave George H.W. Bush the biggest margin of victory for a (non-incumbent) Republican running for the presidency.[/CENTER]

You forgot Pete Sampras... :rolleyes:

This is a thread about Greeks, not about your american kin.

Æmeric

07-24-2009, 11:39 PM

You forgot Pete Sampras... :rolleyes:

How could I forget Sampras?

http://www.altiusdirectory.com/images/Pete%20Sampras%2040.jpg

Talk about dodgy looking.:naughty:

This is a thread about Greeks, not about your american kin.

They are Greek & they are no kin of mine.

Brännvin

07-25-2009, 12:09 AM

Osweo

07-25-2009, 01:09 AM

Greeks are Greeks, 'dodgy' is in the eye of the beholder. I see ordinary enough looking people here, it seems honest and straightforward enough. More please!

Guapo

07-25-2009, 03:37 AM

Greeks are Greeks, 'dodgy' is in the eye of the beholder. I see ordinary enough looking people here, it seems honest and straightforward enough. More please!

Yep lets see more, Of course there are different phenotypes in Greece although most Cypriot Greeks seem to have the same phenotype from what I noticed, very tall east mediterranid. Some historians say that the Dorian tribes were Cromagnoids from the oldest Neolithic settlement in Europe, Lepenski Vir, that emigrated southwards and were classified as Brunn(Brno-Predmost) by anthropologists.

Osweo

07-25-2009, 03:43 AM

Yep lets see more, Of course there are different phenotypes in Greece although most Cypriot Greeks seem to have the same phenotype from what I noticed, very tall east mediterranid. Some historians say that the Dorian tribes were Cromagnoids from the oldest Neolithic settlement in Europe, Lepenski Vir, that emigrated southwards and were classified as Brunn(Brno-Predmost) by anthropologists.
I studied Lepenski Vir under a Serbian archaeologist, many moons ago. It should be regarded as the zone of contact between mesolithic hunter-gatherers of Central Europe and neolithic Balkan agriculturalists. The neolithic was already centuries old in Europe at this point, down in the south east.

Brynhild

07-25-2009, 04:11 AM

As a non-anthropologist, even I saw the differences in their physical attributes. Quite interesting, but then again, I'm not one of those who object to Meds being European! ;)

Edit: Who can forget these two?
Nana Mouskouri
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Demis Roussos
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Creeping Death

07-25-2009, 05:27 AM

I dont get these threads full of photos of healthy looking young people? Why is it I haven't seen one hairy Greek woman I am sure there are normal fat people in Greece. What is the point other than wasting bandwidth.

Lyfing

07-25-2009, 05:38 AM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/df/DeannaTroi.jpg

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Later,
-Lyfing

Útrám

07-25-2009, 06:46 AM

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Later,
-Lyfing

Counselor Denna Troi is from Betazed not Greece ;)

jerney

07-25-2009, 09:46 PM

Some of the examples are kind of dodgy looking.

lol take a look in the mirror, buddy

Loyalist

07-25-2009, 10:01 PM

lol take a look in the mirror, buddy

Ad hominem (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Ad%20hominem). ;)

jerney

07-25-2009, 10:09 PM

Ad hominem (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Ad%20hominem). ;)

Truth (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/truth)

sturmwalkure

07-25-2009, 10:10 PM

Truth (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/truth)

Trolling (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/trolling).

Germanicus

07-25-2009, 10:11 PM

jerney

07-25-2009, 10:20 PM

Trolling (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/trolling).

Trolling? It's called pointing out hypocrisy

Germanicus

07-25-2009, 10:21 PM

[QUOTE=Lyfing;73750]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/df/DeannaTroi.jpg

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Now she has put a few years on she is my ideal woman.....:thumb001:

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Loki

07-25-2009, 10:23 PM

I'll have to admit, I never saw what others seemingly saw in Deanna Troy. She's really not particularly attractive to my eyes. :shrug:

Germanicus

07-25-2009, 10:30 PM

I'll have to admit, I never saw what others seemingly saw in Deanna Troy. She's really not particularly attractive to my eyes. :shrug:

She's pure totty, she could put her slippers under my bed anyday, and she need'nt take off her trekkie suit.:D

Lyfing

07-25-2009, 11:13 PM

Angie Harmon..

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http://fp.culttv.plus.com/ukculttv/babes/ah.jpg

Harmon was born in Highland Park, Texas, the daughter of models Daphne Demar (née Caravageli) and Lawrence Paul "Larry" Harmon, who was also a hospital information network executive in Dallas.[1] Her mother is of Greek descent and her father is of Irish and Cherokee Native American ancestry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angie_Harmon

Her eye does what my Momma's eye does..

http://i26.tinypic.com/212e3r4.jpg

Later,
-Lyfing

Piparskeggr

07-26-2009, 02:13 AM

Guapo

07-26-2009, 05:39 AM

Mrs Pip had golden blond hair as child, it's dark blond (not quite light brown) now. Her eyes are blue and her skin is fair (doesn't tan real well).

She's also 100% Greek as far back as her family can trace.

I like to tweak her about a Celt or more in the woodpile. ;D

Celt? You don't have to go that far back in history :D

http://72.232.229.42/thumb/d/dd/Dusanova_Srbija200.jpg/220px-Dusanova_Srbija200.jpg

Greeks= The only Balkanoids that didn't mind Serb imperialisim.God bless them :D

Tabiti

07-26-2009, 06:37 AM

Mrs Pip had golden blond hair as child, it's dark blond (not quite light brown) now. Her eyes are blue and her skin is fair (doesn't tan real well).

She's also 100% Greek as far back as her family can trace.

I like to tweak her about a Celt or more in the woodpile. ;D
Well, that happens here and it's not so rare, unlike what some members claim...

Goidelic

07-26-2009, 07:50 AM

Well, that happens here and it's not so rare, unlike what some members claim...

I agree that happens all over the Balkans, including Albania, Bosnia and Turkey. Occasionally, it might happen in the Middle East, but there it is much more of a rare extremity than the Balkans.

Tabiti

07-26-2009, 08:16 AM

I agree that happens all over the Balkans, including Albania, Bosnia and Turkey. Occasionally, it might happen in the Middle East, but there it is much more of a rare extremity than the Balkans.
Mostly in Iran and some areas of Afganistan, among Syrian and Lebanese christians, but never in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and so.
And blonds aren't exceptions here! In fact most of the children are born with blond hair, which darkens with age.

Piparskeggr

07-26-2009, 12:12 PM

[QUOTE=Vojvoda;74172]Celt? You don't have to go that far back in history :D

...and, there is also a possibility of other admixture in the family line. Her mothers' family were residents of the Greek mercantile community in Odessa for at least 200 years before they fled the Revolution of 1917.

Lysander

07-26-2009, 12:44 PM

Celt? You don't have to go that far back in history :D

http://72.232.229.42/thumb/d/dd/Dusanova_Srbija200.jpg/220px-Dusanova_Srbija200.jpg

Greeks= The only Balkanoids that didn't mind Serb imperialisim.God bless them :D

Actually you managed to hold that for like 25 years :P.

And no it has nothing to do with foreign influences. Greece has through her history absorbed many immigrating peoples, Celtic tribes in antique times, East Germanic tribes during the dark- and middle ages.
Yet before any of these came to Greece there had always been lighter haired people, it's just that we are rare here. In antique times hair blondness was connected to divinity. Children born with blonde hair were thought to have gifts from the Gods.
The study of ancient Greek pottery shows that red hair was much more common then than it is now though.

Absinthe

07-26-2009, 12:45 PM

...and, there is also a possibility of other admixture in the family line. Her mothers' family were residents of the Greek mercantile community in Odessa for at least 200 years before they fled the Revolution of 1917.
So were mine :eek:

Äike

07-26-2009, 09:07 PM

Actually you managed to hold that for like 25 years :P.

And no it has nothing to do with foreign influences. Greece has through her history absorbed many immigrating peoples, Celtic tribes in antique times, East Germanic tribes during the dark- and middle ages.
Yet before any of these came to Greece there had always been lighter haired people, it's just that we are rare here. In antique times hair blondness was connected to divinity. Children born with blonde hair were thought to have gifts from the Gods.
The study of ancient Greek pottery shows that red hair was much more common then than it is now though.

Pale skin and light hair were described as signs of barbarism by Polemon of Laodicea in his book Physiognomica. Pseudo-Aristotle (a writer using Aristotle's name as a pseudonym) noted differences between Greeks and the people of the north, believing that Greek superiority was visible in their medium skin tone, as opposed to pale northerners and dark Africans. He claimed that blue eyes were a sign of a cowardly nature, and that they indicated poor eyesight.

Ancient Greeks, the founders of the most impressing European civilization, were brown eyed, dark haired, with a medium skin tone and 100% European.

Lysander

07-28-2009, 06:21 PM

Ancient Greeks, the founders of the most impressing European civilization, were brown eyed, dark haired, with a medium skin tone and 100% European.

Yet again. Not all.

Just as today, there were exceptions. The majority has always been Mediterranean but you don't have to search long to find exceptions.

Guapo

09-02-2009, 01:55 AM

Yet again. Not all.

Just as today, there were exceptions. The majority has always been Mediterranean but you don't have to search long to find exceptions.

Cro-Magnoids played an important role too.

Aemma

09-02-2009, 02:07 AM

Well, there is nothing bad to post examples of different nationalities in Anthropology section.

Exactly! I love what I have seen so far of this thread. Beautiful faces and beautiful people. I truly love these types of candid facial pics. They scream natural beauty to me. :thumb001:

This reminds me...I have a pic to post here of an extremely good looking Greek Canadian, George Stroumboloupoulos. Oh Loy knows him already I'm sure :D :P (hey Loy? :P)

http://i30.tinypic.com/wtdely.jpg

http://i26.tinypic.com/1zq8sp4.png

Loyalist

09-02-2009, 02:13 AM

This reminds me...I have a pic to post here of an extremely good looking Greek Canadian, George Stroumboloupoulos. Oh Loy knows him already I'm sure :D :P (hey Loy? :P)

http://i30.tinypic.com/wtdely.jpg

http://i26.tinypic.com/1zq8sp4.png

Indeed, but his mother is Ukrainian, and his father is Egyptian-born, so, while unlikely, one cannot rule out foreign admixture. In any case, he's just another lefty pushing the Ignatieff agenda at CBC.

Aemma

09-02-2009, 02:19 AM

Absinthe

09-02-2009, 09:19 AM

Indeed, but his mother is Ukrainian, and his father is Egyptian-born, so, while unlikely, one cannot rule out foreign admixture. In any case, he's just another lefty pushing the Ignatieff agenda at CBC.

Really? :eek:

Hahaha! :D I met a girl from Vancouver (the one I told you about) and she told me about this Greek guy on TV "Oh my God he is *so* hot!" :D

When I googled his name I told her "sorry to dissappoint you, hun, but he doesn't very much look like the average Greek nor would he be considered to be particularly good-looking here"... :p

Interestingly enough he is as Greek as I am related to the Pope! :D

Svarogstan

09-06-2009, 06:56 AM

I am not sure about these candid shots. One has to be careful who they are shooting are locals, especially in a country with lot of tourists. You at least have to listen if they speak the local language.

Creeping Death

09-06-2009, 07:29 AM

The study of ancient Greek pottery shows that red hair was much more common then than it is now though.
Correct and also on Alexander the Greats sarcophagus he still has red hair.
http://www.white-history.com/hwr11_files/alexsac01.jpg
Depictions of Black hair came many centuries after he died, with the movement of dark skinned black haired people moving West out of Asia.

Ancient Greeks, the founders of the most impressing European civilization, were brown eyed, dark haired, with a medium skin tone and 100% European.
No they were not the racial composition of Europe was far different today it was pale skinned. All Roman Emperors were recorded as having mainly Blonde hair or Red hair only one was recorded as having dark hair.This is backed up by Suetonius: The Lives of the Twelve Caesars (http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Suetonius/12Caesars/home.html) written in the day.

Also Xenophanes described the Thacians as :
"Men make gods in their own image; those of the Ethiopians are black and snub-nosed, those of the Thracians have blue eyes and red hair."

And the images of Pale skinned Red Haired Thracian warriors from the Pella mosaic.http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dc/Deer_hunt_mosaic_from_Pella.jpg/300px-Deer_hunt_mosaic_from_Pella.jpg
And the Red haired and pale skinned Aristocratic Thracian Women from the Ostruha mound bears this description accurate.http://wpcontent.answers.com/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2d/Thrace-ostrusha.jpg/150px-Thrace-ostrusha.jpg
The Thracians, Romans and Greeks were identical in appearance.

Lutiferre

09-06-2009, 08:06 AM

No they were not the racial composition of Europe was far different today it was pale skinned. All Roman Emperors were recorded as having mainly Blonde hair or Red hair only one was recorded as having dark hair.This is backed up by Suetonius: The Lives of the Twelve Caesars (http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Suetonius/12Caesars/home.html) written in the day.
Certainly not. Suetonius has the following to say, for instance, in The Twelve Caesars about Julius Caesar:

'Caesar is said to have been tall, fair and well built, with a rather broad face and keen, dark eyes.'

'His baldness was a disfigurement which his enemies harped upon, much to his exasperation, but he used to comb the thin strands of hair forward from the crown of his head.'

He is bald and with dark eyes. Hardly the blonde blue-eyed figure you are claiming.

Also Xenophanes described the Thacians as :
"Men make gods in their own image; those of the Ethiopians are black and snub-nosed, those of the Thracians have blue eyes and red hair."
The point in with that statement was an observation about gods of different peoples, not about the characteristics of the Thracians in specific. Its unreliable information. He just happens to use the example of the Thracians, who were seen by Greeks as barbarians.

Obviously, not an ethnographer, or a traveller, with any great knowledge on the subject, he merely makes a conflation of all barbarians north of Greece into the example of Thracians - of characteristic features of northern barbarians, with light pigmentation.

No serious modern scholar would agree that Xenophanes description of Thracians was ethnographically correct, nor even intended for the purpose of such accuracy, but is simply a polemical device and coincidence taken out of context. For that reason exactly, you choose just Xenophanes, because you won't find any other ancient source that repeats the same idea.

As to all your images of statues; this proves absolutely nothing, except that a limited set of statues were painted with certain colours, out of a very limited number of colours to choose from. Not a reliable source for knowledge about actual pigmentation back then, in general. Besides, you could find enough evidence to the contrary if you looked for it as enthusiastically as you do evidence in favour of your theory; it all comes down to your nordicist cherry-picking.

Tabiti

09-06-2009, 08:26 AM

There is no such ethnicity as "Thracian". Greeks used the name Thracian to describe all their Northern neighbors, being different tribes of early IE settlements. And most of them were not Nordic as their skull reconstruction show.;)
There are absolutely no evidences of how brunette or blond their gods were:D

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_3VmSl3VqNSY/RvpZYey_9dI/AAAAAAAABJo/dSoX3g0mP_A/s1600/Trakiiska%2Bprintzesa.JPG
"Thracian" princess
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_3VmSl3VqNSY/RvpaDey_9gI/AAAAAAAABKA/2GdemutMnr4/s1600/Trakiiski%2Bvladetel%2B-%2Bjretz.JPG
"Thracian" priest

The main "Thracian" deity:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Thracian_horseman_in_National_Historical_Museum_Bu lgaria_011.JPG
Very Nordid :D

Lutiferre

09-06-2009, 08:32 AM

There is no such ethnicity as "Thracian". Greeks used the name Thracian to describe all their Northern neighbors, being different tribes of early IE settlements. And most of them were not Nordic as their skull reconstruction show.;)
Their skull reconstruction doesn't show them to be "nordic", since they show nothing about their pigmentation (archaeogenetics and population genetics does, which suggests continuity) but at best, to be long-faced "gracile" types, and any area is far from exclusively that. The category of "nordic" as a scientific term in anthropology has long ago been debunked as pseudoscientific. It's not scientific terminology or typology, and Scandinavians/north Europeans don't have any kind of monopoly on dolicocephalic types; far from it.

Psychonaut

09-06-2009, 08:43 AM

Their skull reconstruction doesn't show them to be "nordic"

You've seen pictures of Thracian skulls? I'd love to see them. I collect photos of skulls for anthropological purposes.

Jarl

09-06-2009, 09:00 AM

There is no such ethnicity as "Thracian". Greeks used the name Thracian to describe all their Northern neighbors, being different tribes of early IE settlements. And most of them were not Nordic as their skull reconstruction show.;)
There are absolutely no evidences of how brunette or blond their gods were:D

As for 100% "Europeaness" - Greeks do have sime ME markers. They came from the North. Achaian and Doric invasions resulted in assimilation of Pelasgians. Greeks thus assimilated the autochtonous populations. Some of them most likely arrived to Greece from Asia Minor prior the Bronze Age, in the Neolithic.

As for pigmentation I think the sole fact that Homer on every occassion stressed that Menelaos was blonde indicates this hair colour was rather exceptional among Greeks.

Creeping Death

09-06-2009, 10:53 AM

Certainly not. Suetonius has the following to say, for instance, in The Twelve Caesars about Julius Caesar:
All were listed as fair skinned
Tiberius:He was of fair complexion and wore his hair rather long at the back
Caligula: He was very tall and extremely pale
Nero: his hair light blond, his features regular rather than attractive, his eyes blue and somewhat weak
Domitan: whose hair had changed colour in such a way that it was partly reddish and partly grey, was like "snow on which mead had been poured."
Go through the rest, these Romans are whiteys!

won't find any other ancient source that repeats the same idea.
Show me an ancient source which contradicts Xenophanes description.

As to all your images of statues; this proves absolutely nothing, except that a limited set of statues were painted with certain colours, out of a very limited number of colours to choose from.Your just denying fact, here are reconstructions of Greek statues with all the paint colours which were available to them:
http://timesonline.typepad.com/dons_life/images/2007/12/16/32greek3300.jpg
Greek warrior.
http://timesonline.typepad.com/dons_life/images/2007/12/16/20041129hovatican_450.jpg
The redheaded and paleskinned Augustus.
Source: (http://timesonline.typepad.com/dons_life/2007/12/were-ancient-st.html)

http://blog.lib.umn.edu/jrock2/rockblog/images/aphaia_painted_sculpture1.jpg
Source Gods In Color: (http://blog.lib.umn.edu/jrock2/rockblog/2007_04.html)

Why would, according to you, that a dark skinned black haired and brown eyed people portray themselves as Blonde and Redheaded with fair and pale skin? Why would ancient writers such as Xenophanes and Suetonius write of Redhaired and Blonde Roman Emperors? Just face it Europe was racially Homogeneous 2000 years ago.

Tabiti

09-06-2009, 11:01 AM

All those seem to be recently painted;)

Why would according to you that a dark skinned black haired and brown eyed people portray themselves as Blonde and Redheaded with fair and pale skin? Why would ancient writers such as Xenophanes and Suetonius write of Redhaired and Blonde Roman Emperors? Just face it Europe was racially Homogeneous 2000 years ago.
There were different types just as today. Theories about super Nordics got mixed with black slaves and then brunettes appeared sound funny, since you actually claim all Europeans today are mongrels.

If you like "coloring books":
http://dienekes.awardspace.com/articles/karlearlson/womanlekythos.jpg
http://dienekes.awardspace.com/articles/karlearlson/greekwarrior.jpg
Athenian woman from a 5th c. BC
Greek warrior from a 4th c. BC mural (Paestum)
I think they are older from the "period of mongrelization"

Guapo

09-07-2009, 03:02 AM

Creeping Death

09-07-2009, 07:36 AM

All those seem to be recently painted;)
Those are accurate reproductions showing the wide range of colours available none had black and brown hair.

There were different types just as today. Theories about super Nordics got mixed with black slaves and then brunettes appeared sound funny, since you actually claim all Europeans today are mongrels.
Europe was originally Redheaded the original Paleolithic stock and then Blonde hair developed. Black hair in the Balkans and South Europe came with the Arab and Turk invasions and Brown hair in the East Europe from the Huns and Mongols.

Tabiti

09-07-2009, 08:50 AM

You forgot to mention black slaves.

Falkata

09-07-2009, 10:37 AM

Europe was originally Redheaded the original Paleolithic stock and then Blonde hair developed. Black hair in the Balkans and South Europe came with the Arab and Turk invasions and Brown hair in the East Europe from the Huns and Mongols.

no, black hair and brown hair are autoctonous. For example basques are one of the less mixed people in Europe and they use to have black hair.

All this nordicist propaganda is extremely ridiculous. It´s like they can´t feel proud of their own achieves and they claim romans and greeks were nords and they turn into meds mixing with non-euro populations. It´s a freak theory and very unrespectful by the way.
They remind me of the afrocentrist who claim ancient Egypt was black

Creeping Death

09-08-2009, 08:04 AM

no, black hair and brown hair are autoctonous. For example basques are one of the less mixed people in Europe and they use to have black hair.

All this nordicist propaganda is extremely ridiculous. It´s like they can´t feel proud of their own achieves and they claim romans and greeks were nords and they turn into meds mixing with non-euro populations. It´s a freak theory and very unrespectful by the way.
They remind me of the afrocentrist who claim ancient Egypt was black
The evidence is there, I presented it, Im just stating fact, your and others denial of the prevalence of Blonde and Red hair in Southern Europe 2000 years ago is wrong. Turkic and Arab invasions saw to the introduction of olive skin and brown/black hair, that's why you are frightened of having to admit this fact.

Tabiti

09-08-2009, 08:10 AM

Luern

09-08-2009, 08:59 AM

Man, Ireland itself has "'only"" 10% of redheads.

Tabiti

09-08-2009, 10:24 AM

I wonder what people claiming that the whole ancient world was Nordic (= white to them) win at all.

Fortis in Arduis

09-08-2009, 02:17 PM

Actual Greek people (as opposed to the vile immigrants) I saw in Athens were generally Alpinid Dinarid some Meditteranid and some CM.

Is that about right?

Absinthe

09-08-2009, 03:49 PM

Yes :thumbs

Falkata

09-09-2009, 11:08 AM

The evidence is there, I presented it, Im just stating fact, your and others denial of the prevalence of Blonde and Red hair in Southern Europe 2000 years ago is wrong. Turkic and Arab invasions saw to the introduction of olive skin and brown/black hair, that's why you are frightened of having to admit this fact.

Sir "Celtic-Nordic", do you know brown hair was common in the ancient celts? So they were already mixed with arabs, turks, gypsies and polynesians or how is this?
:confused:

What about brown hair in Germany, UK, Ireland... because it´s very common there too, more than blond in fact.

Turkophagos

09-22-2009, 11:55 AM

I collect photos of skulls for anthropological purposes.

Mycenaean Greek skull, 2000 bc, from the national arcaeological museum of Athens:

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/4991/img1433t.jpg

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4218/img1434.jpg

L-F Céline

09-22-2009, 01:58 PM

Loki

09-22-2009, 02:25 PM

L-F Céline

09-22-2009, 02:51 PM

According to what new scientific revelation?

Third Reich pseudo-anthropological stuff.

Kadu

09-23-2009, 12:29 AM

The Greeks became racially a mixed-bag overtime, racially it is kind of a like Brazil right now.

Well, i've been in both of those countries and i beg to disagree.
In Brazil, triracials, biracials and black people make up to 70% of the population, the rest is composed basically by people of European ancestry which is overwhelmingly of Southern European descent.

Greece on the other hand comprehends a SE population in which are included some routine phenotypical elements common to other countries of the Mediterranean basin, in fact all Southern European countries have it before the concept of Europe even existed as we know it today.
Since Neolithical times through the introduction of farming and later with trading, colonialism and warfare the Mediterranean peoples have exchanged technology, customs and to a smaller degree genetic and phenotypical material, which seems to have been constant until current times

Rhobot

09-26-2009, 07:28 AM

The Greeks became racially a mixed-bag overtime, racially it is kind of a like Brazil right now.

Some Greeks could be considered as Europeo-Caucasoids but also many fall under the Hither Asiatic category and hence under the Extraeuropeo-Caucasoid category. It is a case by case induividual selection that should be made because not all greeks are extra-europeans, but many of them are.

Interesting that you say that. Are you sure the "extra-European" Greeks aren't just folks who happen to have a phenotype that is common around the Mediterranean basin and has been for thousands of years?
And does your statement about Greeks being a "racial mixed bag" apply only to Greeks, or does it apply also to other Mediterranean populations (e.g. south Spaniards and south Italians)?

Amapola

09-26-2009, 10:17 AM

L-F Céline

09-26-2009, 11:51 AM

Interesting that you say that. Are you sure the "extra-European" Greeks aren't just folks who happen to have a phenotype that is common around the Mediterranean basin and has been for thousands of years?
And does your statement about Greeks being a "racial mixed bag" apply only to Greeks, or does it apply also to other Mediterranean populations (e.g. south Spaniards and south Italians)?

Portugal has negro and Moorish admixture, Spain has moorish admixture and South Italy has saracen admixture and other extra-european admixture from Roman times. I guess this is what you mean by "phenotype that is common around the Mediterranean basin", because yes it seems the people from the Mediterranean basin have a bad habit of mixing with anything that washes across their shores...

The reason why their was a distinction amongst the blue bloods and the other spaniards was precisely because the non-blood bloods where swarthy people influenced by extra-european admixture, while the blue bloods refused to mix with the Moors and managed to keep their natural skin colouration.

Damião de Góis

09-26-2009, 01:14 PM

Portugal has negro and Moorish admixture, Spain has moorish admixture and South Italy has saracen admixture and other extra-european admixture from Roman times. I guess this is what you mean by "phenotype that is common around the Mediterranean basin", because yes it seems the people from the Mediterranean basin have a bad habit of mixing with anything that washes across their shores...

What is the excuse for the swarthiness of some french? What admixture do they have? If you want i can post the France football team in Mexico 86 for reference. I won't post the moorish Luis Fernandez, don't worry.

And if you wanna talk about negro admixture i think you should make a special reference to your country. The number of africans in France is more than half of the population in my country. You think they don't mix with the locals?

The reason why their was a distinction amongst the blue bloods and the other spaniards was precisely because the non-blood bloods where swarthy people influenced by extra-european admixture, while the blue bloods refused to mix with the Moors and managed to keep their natural skin colouration.

No, the term "Blue blood" was applyed to the nobility who didn't work in the fields so their skin was always very pale in comparison with peasants. You just made that up apparentely.

L-F Céline

09-26-2009, 02:04 PM

What is the excuse for the swarthiness of some french? What admixture do they have?

Genetic drift from Iberia unto southern France. Raymond Domenech for example is not french but Spanish Catlan and looks alien in France especially in Northern France.

If you want i can post the France football team in Mexico 86 for reference.

The France football team was never ever really french, before most of the players where either portugese or spanish, now they are either africans or berbers.

I won't post the moorish Luis Fernandez, don't worry.

Luis Fernandez is half-french.

And if you wanna talk about negro admixture i think you should make a special reference to your country. The number of africans in France is more than half of the population in my country. You think they don't mix with the locals?

Ad Hominem, most European countries are invaded by non-whites but unlike Iberia racemixing is still pretty recent and an exception to the rule.

No, the term "Blue blood" was applyed to the nobility who didn't work in the fields so their skin was always very pale in comparison with peasants. You just made that up apparentely.

Definition: "1834, translating Sp. sangre azul, claimed by certain families of Castile as uncontaminated by Moorish or Jewish admixture, probably from the notion of the visible veins of people of fair complexion."

Origin: "A translation of the Spanish sangre azul attributed to some of the oldest and proudest families of Castile, who claimed never to have been contaminated by Moorish, Jewish, or other foreign admixture; the expression probably originated in the blueness of the veins of people of fair complexion as compared with those of dark skin; also, a person with blue blood; an aristocrat."

Bari

09-26-2009, 02:17 PM

The Greeks became racially a mixed-bag overtime, racially it is kind of a like Brazil right now.

Some Greeks could be considered as Europeo-Caucasoids but also many fall under the Hither Asiatic category and hence under the Extraeuropeo-Caucasoid category. It is a case by case induividual selection that should be made because not all greeks are extra-europeans, but many of them are.

- Evidence? Sources? All nations have "dodgy-looking" individuals, and as far as i have observed greeks are not less european than other european nations.
Then again, some people consider meds with tan non-white, so i is this what you mean by "hither-asiatics"?

I have met both blond greeks and i have met dark greeks, didn't detect non-european traits in any of them. They are meditterranean people, like the rest of Southern Europe.

As well i don't see why you want to pollute this thread with accusations that can't even be backed up by valid sources of genetic research.

L-F Céline

09-26-2009, 02:21 PM

As well i don't see why you want to pollute this thread with accusations that can't even be backed up by valid sources of genetic research.

I'll get you some.

Damião de Góis

09-26-2009, 02:35 PM

Genetic drift from Iberia unto southern France. Raymond Domenech for example is not french but Spanish Catlan and looks alien in France especially in Northern France.

What about the ones with french names? See the french team below.

The France football team was never ever really french, before most of the players where either portugese or spanish, now they are either africans or berbers.

Really? Who were these portuguese and spanish players from the french football team? I can only think of Luis Fernandez who is spanish.
Can you give me some examples? I'm curious about this because i'm a football fan.

I am not worried in the slighetest and please do post it as Luis Fernandez is swarthy precisely because he is not français de souche, but a half-spic. Obviously Fernandez is not a french name, neither Luis is.

Half what? Ok here is the team:

http://i38.tinypic.com/xqgghl.jpg
http://i38.tinypic.com/2ng6kjr.jpg

So Joel Bats, Yvon Le Roux, Alain Giresse for example are what, spaniards?

And Luis Fernandez is swarthy in France. I didn't know that and i must say that i'm very impressed.

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Ad Hominem, most European countries are invaded by non-whites but unlike Iberia racemixing is still pretty recent and an exception to the rule.

Right, that's why i only spot french tourists in Lisbon if they open their mouth. It has happened to me twice.

Definition: "1834, translating Sp. sangre azul, claimed by certain families of Castile as uncontaminated by Moorish or Jewish admixture, probably from the notion of the visible veins of people of fair complexion."

Origin: "A translation of the Spanish sangre azul attributed to some of the oldest and proudest families of Castile, who claimed never to have been contaminated by Moorish, Jewish, or other foreign admixture; the expression probably originated in the blueness of the veins of people of fair complexion as compared with those of dark skin; also, a person with blue blood; an aristocrat."

I don't know where you took that from but here i always heard that it was associated with the nobility who didn't get any sun unlike the peasants. Sangue azul = nobility.

Amapola

09-26-2009, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by L-F Céline

Spain has moorish admixture
And every country in Europe except probably Iceland.

and South Italy has saracen admixture and other extra-european admixture from Roman times.
Like every country in Europe.

I guess this is what you mean by "phenotype that is common around the Mediterranean basin", because yes it seems the people from the Mediterranean basin have a bad habit of mixing with anything that washes across their shores...
Like other Nothern countries with other extra-European people, Siberians, mongols... or like others with the Jews; there is not a single country in Europe that can be excluded from mixing in a bigger or lesser extent..

The reason why their was a distinction amongst the blue bloods and the other spaniards was precisely because the non-blood bloods where swarthy people influenced by extra-european admixture, while the blue bloods refused to mix with the Moors and managed to keep their natural skin colouration.
The people from the nobility did not work but spent their days being iddle and resting under their parasols. It's funny enough to mention that the convert (Jewish) families set out to become related to the most ancient nobility, process which wasn't over until the Spanish Inquisition substitued the "Tribunales de la Fe". It's also remarkable that the majority of the ruling class, during the Islam conquest of Spain, were arabs and the military class berbers, being the core of the Spanish population simple hispanics converted into Islam. Either way, it totally clashes the groundless myth of the "blue blood".

L-F Céline

09-26-2009, 03:11 PM

As well i don't see why you want to pollute this thread with accusations that can't even be backed up by valid sources of genetic research.

Madame est servie:

HLA genes in Macedonians and the sub-Saharan origin of the Greeks.

Original Articles
Tissue Antigens. 57(2):118-127, February 2001.
Arnaiz-Villena, A.; Dimitroski, K.; Pacho, A.; Moscoso, J.; Gomez-Casado, E.; Silvera-Redondo, C.; Varela, P.; Blagoevska, M.; Zdravkovska, V.; Martinez-Laso, J.

Abstract:
HLA alleles have been determined in individuals from the Republic of Macedonia by DNA typing and sequencing. HLA-A, -B, -DR, -DQ allele frequencies and extended haplotypes have been for the first time determined and the results compared to those of other Mediterraneans, particularly with their neighbouring Greeks. Genetic distances, neighbor-joining dendrograms and correspondence analysis have been performed. The following conclusions have been reached: 1) Macedonians belong to the "older" Mediterranean substratum, like Iberians (including Basques), North Africans, Italians, French, Cretans, Jews, Lebanese, Turks (Anatolians), Armenians and Iranians, 2) Macedonians are not related with geographically close Greeks, who do not belong to the "older" Mediterranenan substratum, 3) Greeks are found to have a substantial relatedness to sub-Saharan (Ethiopian) people, which separate them from other Mediterranean groups. Both Greeks and Ethiopians share quasi-specific DRB1 alleles, such as *0305, *0307, *0411, *0413, *0416, *0417, *0420, *1110, *1112, *1304 and *1310. Genetic distances are closer between Greeks and Ethiopian/sub-Saharan groups than to any other Mediterranean group and finally Greeks cluster with Ethiopians/sub-Saharans in both neighbour joining dendrograms and correspondence analyses. The time period when these relationships might have occurred was ancient but uncertain and might be related to the displacement of Egyptian-Ethiopian people living in pharaonic Egypt.

That is just one of the many things Greeks are mixed with Turkics, Sub-Saharans, Arabids and such.

Bari

09-26-2009, 03:28 PM

Madame est servie:

HLA genes in Macedonians and the sub-Saharan origin of the Greeks.

Original Articles
Tissue Antigens. 57(2):118-127, February 2001.
Arnaiz-Villena, A.; Dimitroski, K.; Pacho, A.; Moscoso, J.; Gomez-Casado, E.; Silvera-Redondo, C.; Varela, P.; Blagoevska, M.; Zdravkovska, V.; Martinez-Laso, J.

Abstract:
HLA alleles have been determined in individuals from the Republic of Macedonia by DNA typing and sequencing. HLA-A, -B, -DR, -DQ allele frequencies and extended haplotypes have been for the first time determined and the results compared to those of other Mediterraneans, particularly with their neighbouring Greeks. Genetic distances, neighbor-joining dendrograms and correspondence analysis have been performed. The following conclusions have been reached: 1) Macedonians belong to the "older" Mediterranean substratum, like Iberians (including Basques), North Africans, Italians, French, Cretans, Jews, Lebanese, Turks (Anatolians), Armenians and Iranians, 2) Macedonians are not related with geographically close Greeks, who do not belong to the "older" Mediterranenan substratum, 3) Greeks are found to have a substantial relatedness to sub-Saharan (Ethiopian) people, which separate them from other Mediterranean groups. Both Greeks and Ethiopians share quasi-specific DRB1 alleles, such as *0305, *0307, *0411, *0413, *0416, *0417, *0420, *1110, *1112, *1304 and *1310. Genetic distances are closer between Greeks and Ethiopian/sub-Saharan groups than to any other Mediterranean group and finally Greeks cluster with Ethiopians/sub-Saharans in both neighbour joining dendrograms and correspondence analyses. The time period when these relationships might have occurred was ancient but uncertain and might be related to the displacement of Egyptian-Ethiopian people living in pharaonic Egypt.

That is just one of the many things Greeks are mixed with Turkics, Sub-Saharans, Arabids and such.

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“In my own skeletal samples from Greece I note apparent negroid nose and mouth traits in two of fourteen Early Neolithic, only two or three more among 364 from fifth to second millenium B.C., one among 113 Early Iron Age, one or two among 233 Classic and Hellenistic skeletons, but four Negroids (all from one area of Early Christian Corinth) among ninety-five Roman period, two among eighty-five Medieval, and of course ten among fifty-two Turkish period Greeks, yet none among 202 of Romantic (nineteenth century) to date.”( J. Lawrence Angel: American Anthropologist, New Series, Vol. 74, No. 1/2 (Feb. – Apr., 1972),

To break it down:
Only TWO among 14 during the Early Neolithic period, pretty low contribution for a population that is said have ’started’ it all
Only TWO or THREE among THREE HUNDRED & SIXTY FOUR between the fifth to second millenium B.C(Minoan time line). Again very low contribution if only a few have been found among HUNDREDS that don’t exist for a society that some have been falsely claiming were the originators of European civilization.
Only ONE among ONE HUNDRED & THIRTEEN during the Iron Age(The Iliad time line), again very low contribution.
Only ONE or TWO among TWO HUNDRED & THIRTY-THREE from the Classical to the Hellenistic period(that ends when Rome takes over Hellenic world) again low contribution.
Only FOUR among NINETY-FIVE from the Roman period and they all came from the same area, again very low contribution.
Only TWO among EIGHTY-FIVE during the Medieval period of Greece, again low contribution.
TEN among FIFTY-TWO during TURKISH period
ZERO, NONE, ZIP, NADA findings among TWO HUNDRED and TWO of Romantic (nineteenth century) to date aka in MODERN TIMES.

:)

Bari

09-26-2009, 03:33 PM

One can argue non-european admixture in any group and find some vague traces of it in individual cases.

It seems like putting down other europeans make one feel more accepted by nordicist? Always popular on various preservation forums, but not really productive or high-brow. As this regional bashing continiues the problems of mass-immigration increases, there would be far more importan matters to discuss than mythical ancestral theories brewed by regional nationalists.

L-F Céline

09-26-2009, 03:40 PM

What about the ones with french names? See the french team below.

Really? Who were these portuguese and spanish players from the french football team? I can only think of Luis Fernandez who is spanish.
Can you give me some examples? I'm curious about this because i'm a football fan.

Half what? Ok here is the team:

http://i38.tinypic.com/xqgghl.jpg
http://i38.tinypic.com/2ng6kjr.jpg

So Joel Bats, Yvon Le Roux, Alain Giresse for example are what, spaniards?

Having a french sounding name does not make one french, look at José Touré he has a french name yet he is a mestizo.

And Luis Fernandez is swarthy in France. I didn't know that and i must say that i'm very impressed.

Compared to his wife and children then yes he is true Aryan Northman (thanks to him being half-french):

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/231/255542luisfernandezsafe.jpg

Don't worry guys, his children and wife are not jewish arab-looking it's "just a tan"!

I don't know where you took that from

Itz called a "dictionary" where you look up for definitions and stuff.

Amapola

09-26-2009, 04:11 PM

Compared to his wife and children then yes he is true Aryan Northman (thanks to him being half-french)

His name is LUIS FERNANDEZ TOLEDO, both Spanish surnames as the can be; Andalusian to make things better :D

I translate from an interview in Spanish to cadena ser:

"Mis padres están enterrados en Tarifa, yo tengo sangre española, yo vine a Francia porque en los 60 la situación estaba mal, pero siempre me he sentido como español, aunque también francés porque en Francia me dieron la oportunidad de jugar"

"My parents are buried in Tarifa, I have Spanish blood, I came to France because in the 60's the situation was very bad, but I have always felt Spanish, French too though as France gave me the chance to play"

....
:rolleyes2:

Damião de Góis

09-26-2009, 04:13 PM

Having a french sounding name does not make one french, look at José Touré he has a french name yet he is a mestizo.

So just tell me what they are. They have french sounding names and they are clearly not africans or mestizos. It's not like i posted William Gallas or Thierry Henry here.

Compared to his wife and children then yes he is true Aryan Northman (thanks to him being half-french)

Show me a source that says that he is half french please.

Itz called a "dictionary" where you look up for definitions and stuff.

I didn't find your definition online. Can you provide the source?

Amapola

09-26-2009, 04:14 PM

http://www.tarifaweb.com/aljaranda/num21/art6.htm
Excuse me... for those who does not read Spanish, I will make it easier:
His parents' names are:
Juan Fernández Serrano (clearly very French :embarrassed) and Ana Toledo Aráujo.

L-F Céline

09-26-2009, 04:30 PM

The proof and the big OWNED: OUCH!
http://www.tarifaweb.com/aljaranda/num21/art6.htm

On my source they said:

"Franco-Spanish Luis Fernandez will be presented Thursday as new coach"

Here is the link: journalchretien.net/Luis-Fernandez-nomme-entraineur-du.html

Why would they call him Franco-Spanish?

Anyway I am not familiar with soccer things.

Óttar

09-26-2009, 04:45 PM

Actual Greek people (as opposed to the vile immigrants) I saw in Athens were generally Alpinid Dinarid some Meditteranid and some CM.
I heard from my Classics teacher that settlers from the Balkans came in large numbers such that modern Greeks are not the same as their ancient counterparts.

L-F Céline

09-26-2009, 04:55 PM

I didn't find your definition online. Can you provide the source?

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/1128/blueblood.jpg

And it's not "my" definition.

Amapola

09-26-2009, 04:58 PM

On my source they said:

"Franco-Spanish Luis Fernandez will be presented Thursday as new coach"

Here is the link: journalchretien.net/Luis-Fernandez-nomme-entraineur-du.html

Why would they call him Franco-Spanish?

Anyway I am not familiar with soccer things.

The Media speaks like that... probably referring to both Spanish stock and French nationality, or even two nationalities.

Damião de Góis

09-26-2009, 05:43 PM

And it's not "my" definition.

No, that's the theory of an englishman. There is no safe theory about the origin of the expression. Like i said bedore i have heard another version, blue blood means nobility and that is the widely accepted version established here.

Don't you find strange that wikipedia doesn't have entries for "Sangue Azul" or "Sangre Azul" but it has for "Blue Blood"?

Anyway, Alana has already explained it very well:

The people from the nobility did not work but spent their days being iddle and resting under their parasols. It's funny enough to mention that the convert (Jewish) families set out to become related to the most ancient nobility, process which wasn't over until the Spanish Inquisition substitued the "Tribunales de la Fe". It's also remarkable that the majority of the ruling class, during the Islam conquest of Spain, were arabs and the military class berbers, being the core of the Spanish population simple hispanics converted into Islam. Either way, it totally clashes the groundless myth of the "blue blood".

Treffie

09-27-2009, 08:11 AM

Damião de Góis

09-27-2009, 12:54 PM

Isn't Aráujo a name of Basque origin?

Araújo is portuguese. I don't know if it's the same name.

Bridie

09-27-2009, 01:23 PM

I always thought the term "blue blood" was supposed to represent cold, restrained, formal people.... the opposite of "red blooded". Aristocrats all over Western Europe (at least - although probably Eastern Europe too) were expected to uphold these characteristics.

Surely the term doesn't have literal origins.

Amapola

09-27-2009, 05:05 PM

Isn't Aráujo a name of Basque origin?

I have to admit that was also my first thought when I first read it however, Araújo is of Galizian lineage from the place called San Martín de Loleos near Portugal.

Queen B

12-26-2011, 03:52 PM

http://x.pstatic.gr/media/n/i/4/4036/4335.jpg
http://multimedia.papandreou.gr/photos/hphoto/20080607/1212853828-32550.thu.med
http://dap-pirgou.gr/files/news/25_ph3.jpg
http://kozanimedia.gr/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/mas32.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7fnnYrcfZ6c/TltwQmRjTNI/AAAAAAAAHNo/SncblV0d6Ww/s1600/LYKEIARA.JPG
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_vbMROaplY7U/TLb37d2foeI/AAAAAAAAAew/ZXyHok3BkwU/s1600/IMG_0301.JPG
http://content-mcdn.sentragoal.gr/filesystem/images/20110916/low/pegasus_LARGE_t_1041_105489201.JPG
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_IvDnwscEL3w/TDQ2AYrT9sI/AAAAAAAAEhY/l_hRuISOyyY/s1600/%CE%9A%CE%91%CE%A1%CE%91%CE%A4%CE%95+2.jpg
http://greekvolley.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/greekteam.jpeg
http://www.kretaworldbasket.gr/img/uploads/images/eleytheriadis_1.jpg
http://www.basketnet.gr/userfiles/CMSFiles/791231.jpg
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_2_pUDkfo0ss/SlEO7FMTMPI/AAAAAAAAAK8/b5d1dM0LkAg/P1110235.jpg

Queen B

12-26-2011, 04:07 PM

http://assets.tovima.gr/files/masterchef.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UiY86lL31OI/TpWvpvkz41I/AAAAAAAAKNc/nLx82lPvf08/s1600/TOMY2147.JPG
http://www.athenspress.gr/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/papadakis2.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-RG6OR6X9Xoc/TXsiw4y8pHI/AAAAAAAAAcs/i9roq-amwG4/IMG_7114.JPG
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_2vaAR-KMcNA/S-lA_tfdVAI/AAAAAAAAAC8/e3-aMkxGvEw/s1600/003_omorfos+kosmos+to+prwi.jpg
http://www.pressgr.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/tv.jpg
http://www.zappit.gr/files/Image/2010-11/DIAFORA/FEBRUARY/23/alpha.jpg
http://demo.golema.gr/uploads/productions/images/2/6a27f3b0c5efa2023ad8ea22229908aa.jpg
http://www.zappit.gr/files/Image/01_SEASON_2011-12/01_TV_EVERYDAY/01_OCTOBER/10/002_kliniki%20periptosi.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PLtOG9NGOBg/TLwSKMhNAHI/AAAAAAAAESM/vKoVO45aFTg/s1600/S217002_31130177.jpg

Sikeliot

12-26-2011, 04:51 PM

They look, not surprisingly, like Calabrese Italians and Western Turks.

Lábaru

12-26-2011, 05:11 PM

They don't look South Italian, have an "air" of pseudo-Slavic people.

Mordid

12-26-2011, 05:13 PM

^Yes, they look whiter and more ubermensch than Spaniards due to Slavic influence.

Lábaru

12-26-2011, 05:14 PM

^Yes, they look whiter and more ubermensch than Spaniards due to Slavic influence.

Not compatible.

reconstructing the phrase.

^Yes, they look mongolic and more untermenschthan Spaniards due to Slavic influence.

;)

Sikeliot

12-26-2011, 05:15 PM

They don't look South Italian, have an "air" of pseudo-Slavic people.

The "Slavic" look is what makes the difference between the two. But yes, Greeks are a bit more Eastern European in appearance.

Lábaru

12-26-2011, 05:19 PM

The "Slavic" look is what makes the difference between the two. But yes, Greeks are a bit more Eastern European in appearance.

I honestly do not see the resemblance with Italians in these photos, except the normal being European neighbors but they seem in the same way the Italians of Central and Northern areas.

hajduk

12-26-2011, 05:19 PM

bulgarians are non slavs ( turks ) themselves so the chance for slavic influence in greece is from minimal to zero :coffee:

Mordid

12-26-2011, 05:22 PM

Not compatible.
We are an AR1a ubermensch.

Sikeliot

12-26-2011, 05:23 PM

There are visible Slavic influences in some of them, for sure. Less than you will find with Bulgarians, though.

hajduk

12-26-2011, 05:24 PM

We are an AR1a ubermensch.

i still think greeks are more ubermensch than teh iberians

Wanderlust

12-26-2011, 05:24 PM

Moved.

Sikeliot

12-26-2011, 05:26 PM

These are a good example of what I meant by vaguely Slavic looking

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_IvDnwscEL3w/TDQ2AYrT9sI/AAAAAAAAEhY/l_hRuISOyyY/s1600/ΚΑΡΑΤΕ+2.jpg

Mordid

12-26-2011, 05:27 PM

Even teh guy on far left?

Sikeliot

12-26-2011, 05:28 PM

No but 3 out of 4 isn't bad.

Queen B

12-26-2011, 05:32 PM

Mordid

12-26-2011, 05:34 PM

See a blonde Greek, then is automatically Slavic-looking. Wow.

Not long ago I posted some pictures from friends, and the blonde ones said that ''look Slavic'', though they were from Zakynthos (Ionian islands), a place that had NOT Slavic influence .

Greeks look like Greeks. Period.-
I've noticed that teh fairest looking Greeks look Balkan like Serbians, Bulgarians and teh like because of Paleo-Balkan influence, not actual Slavic.

Loki

12-26-2011, 05:35 PM

See a blonde Greek, then is automatically Slavic-looking. Wow.

Not long ago I posted some pictures from friends, and the blonde ones said that ''look Slavic'', though they were from Zakynthos (Ionian islands), a place that had NOT Slavic influence .

Greeks look like Greeks. Period.-

Yep.

There have been blonde Greeks long before any Slavic influence came into the area.

Sikeliot

12-26-2011, 05:36 PM

Well I said Slavic but I really just mean "Eastern European looking".

Mordid

12-26-2011, 05:39 PM

Queen B

12-26-2011, 05:41 PM

Well, blonde doesn't associated with Slavic. In fact, not even the majority of Poles are blonde. Facial features is more important than pigmentation. I can show you very darker Poles, but at the same time, she or he has an unmistakably Eastern European or Slavic look to him.

Yeap, but out of 4 in that photo, the 3 looked ''Slavic'' and guess what... only the blondes!! :eek: And in facial feautures, only the second (from right) looks Slavic

Lábaru

12-26-2011, 05:43 PM

I am not referring to the blondes , there are not blondes in the photos, and the influence they share with Slavs not need be with that name or period of history, is probably earlier/older than written history.

Mordid

12-26-2011, 05:46 PM

You sick people out of mind. Are you saying Albino look Slavic because they are blonde?

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6178/6178802271_1eb477eab6_z.jpg
Send this girl to Poland. Thanks.

Queen B

12-26-2011, 05:50 PM

Of course not.At least not me.
Personally, I see very typical Greek faces that can be found all around Greece, from Crete to Ionians, to Salonica, to Aegeans...

PS: Very beautiful girl

Mordid

12-26-2011, 05:51 PM

Can anyone also send Dandelion to Poland? Thanks.

Queen B

12-26-2011, 05:52 PM

Can anyone also send Dandelion to Poland? Thanks.

Hahaha. :wink

Mordid

12-26-2011, 05:55 PM

I am very proud of my Greek nose.

Kacca

12-26-2011, 06:02 PM

You sick people out of mind. Are you saying Albino look Slavic because they are blonde?

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6178/6178802271_1eb477eab6_z.jpg
Send this girl to Poland. Thanks.

is this girl greek?!?!?

gold_fenix

12-26-2011, 06:06 PM

is this girl greek?!?!?

She reminds a girl from Turkey that i know, but that girl is from Mersin, she looks totally European (she was blonde ) and the people from that zone look totally european in average

Wanderlust

12-26-2011, 06:08 PM

http://www.tvzapping.gr/userfiles/0b688f97-7078-41d4-8e02-6b13bc3d7ca3/616683alarge.jpg

http://www.newsbeast.gr/files/1/2011/02/07/400_IMG_6179_copy_large.JPG

http://www.tlife.gr/files/Image/Fitness/Star%20secrets/2010/08/resized/toumasatou_h_300_182.jpg

http://i37.abimg.gr/xe/xekina_gyrismata_anna_maria_papaharalampoys_183687 7_b.jpg

http://www.athensbars.gr/sites/default/files/homepage/image-ashx.jpg?1311083873

http://static.myworld.gr/assets/media/Top/picture%20prosopa/95429.jpg

http://www.athensbars.gr/sites/default/files/homepage/mariana_0.jpg?1321876022

http://www.sigmalive.com/files/imagecache/full_image/files/node_images/0/9/4/369094/oikonomakou.jpg

http://www.onair24.gr/sites/default/files/imagecache/preview/photos/kori.jpg

http://www.zougla.gr/Image.ashx?fid=333022&w=400&h=300&q=80

http://media.youropia.gr/media/gallery/1/7408/big-EUGENIA.jpg

take some wogs first, I'll find more soon ;)

Merged with older thread 'Greeks'.

Mordid

12-26-2011, 06:12 PM

^Wanderlust and Daniellon are the prettiest of them all.

Flintlocke

12-26-2011, 06:17 PM

Etsi gia na goustaroume

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-WTrTKlVs_o0/TY25JZ1B3eI/AAAAAAAAAds/yu1LePnglME/ellinaras.jpg

:p:p:p

Queen B

12-26-2011, 06:52 PM

Some more Greeks
http://www.zappit.gr/files/Image/2010-11/DIAFORA/MAY/09/cache/SKAFIDA-614x378.jpg
http://www.nektarini.gr/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/DSC_2622.jpg
http://news.princeoliver.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/1_32321.jpg
http://i37.abimg.gr/sm/smaragda_karydi_kleineis_doyleia_vriskesai_xekre_1 711085_b.jpg
http://clubs.pathfinder.gr/logo.php?club=1996
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs619.snc4/57937_429908897731_721402731_4979121_4315970_n.jpg
http://i.stpl.gr/image.ashx?m=Fit&f=L2ZpbGVzLzEvbmV3X2ltYWdlcy8yMDExLTEyLTI1LzIxLzgx NzYxNTQuanBn&t=634604195479121240&w=581&h=432
http://www.ladynews.gr/imagebank/ln13297127.jpeg
http://www.zoomnews.gr/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/solwmou.jpg
http://www.zappit.gr/files/Image/cache/zygoyli_h-614x369.jpg
http://www.stylista.gr/userfiles/0ab95488-bf2b-424e-b925-26996b8ee4ac/papoutsaki2.jpg

Mordid

12-26-2011, 06:53 PM

Damn......:
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3015/2770553993_4291a7a6fb_z.jpg

Hess

12-26-2011, 06:55 PM

Could anyone post some pics of Cretans?

Sikeliot

12-26-2011, 06:56 PM

This one could fit in Iberia.

http://www.nektarini.gr/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/DSC_2622.jpg

Ushtari

12-26-2011, 06:58 PM

Well, blonde doesn't associated with Slavic. In fact, not even the majority of Poles are blonde. Facial features is more important than pigmentation. I can show you very darker Poles, but at the same time, she or he has an unmistakably Eastern European or Slavic look to him.
Are you sure about this? because a clear majority of teh polakkz i have encountered have been blonde/fair

Absinthe

12-26-2011, 07:01 PM

Could anyone post some pics of Cretans?

Here is some Cretans I know.

The first photo is a family (mother with three sisters, interesting phenotype range ;)).

Mordid

12-26-2011, 07:02 PM

Are you sure about this? because a clear majority of teh polakkz i have encountered have been blonde/fair
They are all dyed.

Ushtari

12-26-2011, 07:02 PM

They are all dyed.
wannabe swedez

Kacca

12-26-2011, 07:10 PM

http://armscontrol.eu/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/%CE%A3%CF%87%CE%BF%CE%BB%CE%AE-%CE%A0%CE%BF%CE%BB%CE%AD%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%85-%CE%98%CE%B5%CF%8C%CE%B4%CF%89%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%82-%CE%9B%CE%B9%CF%8C%CE%BB%CE%B9%CE%BF%CF%82.jpg

some greeks, policemen? Or army? What's that uniform?

Queen B

12-26-2011, 07:10 PM

Could anyone post some pics of Cretans?
She is one
http://www.stylista.gr/userfiles/0ab95488-bf2b-424e-b925-26996b8ee4ac/papoutsaki2.jpg
Also...
http://www.greenroom.gr/upfiles/Image/actors/lionaki05.jpg
(side gossip, she stopped acting to become a .... nun!)
http://im2a.yupi.gr/y2/icemax_620_f3f4227b7e6efc11910be13284d5986b.jpg
(the guy in the right)
http://www.kazantv.gr/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/%CE%A0%CE%B1%CE%BD%CF%84%CE%B5%CE%BB%CE%B1%CE%BA%C E%AC%CE%BA%CE%B7%CF%82-%CE%93%CE%B9%CE%AC%CE%BD%CE%BD%CE%B7%CF%82.jpg
http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/41483_1530814288_7557_n.jpg
http://www.athenspress.gr/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/marinakis.jpg

And of course, the most famous Cretan...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/Constantine_Mitsotakis_by_David_Shankbone.jpg/220px-Constantine_Mitsotakis_by_David_Shankbone.jpg

Absinthe

12-26-2011, 07:11 PM

Kacca

12-26-2011, 07:14 PM

It says they are upper-rank officers of both Greek and Greek-Cypriot Army.

are you speaking of the photo I' ve posted?
Unfortunately I don't undertand greek alphabet, are they cypriots?

Flintlocke

12-26-2011, 07:23 PM

and of course, the most famous cretan...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/constantine_mitsotakis_by_david_shankbone.jpg/220px-constantine_mitsotakis_by_david_shankbone.jpg

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
:D:D

Kacca

12-26-2011, 07:23 PM

this is the link of the photo http://www.ekeo.gr/2011/09/%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B4%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AC-%CF%8C%CF%80%CE%BB%CE%B1-%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B7-%CF%83%CE%B4%CE%B9%CE%B5%CF%80-%CE%B8%CE%B1-%CE%B4%CE%B9%CE%B4%CE%AC%CE%BE%CE%B5%CE%B9-%CE%BF-%CE%B4%CF%81-%CE%B8/

I think they are greeks, now I' ve seen that there is the translation into english

http://www.ekeo.gr/english/

it says about HELLENIC ARMS CONTROL CENTER of Greece.

Wanderlust

12-26-2011, 07:29 PM

And of course, the most famous Cretan...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/Constantine_Mitsotakis_by_David_Shankbone.jpg/220px-Constantine_Mitsotakis_by_David_Shankbone.jpg

hey, the site will crash :p great genes, she looks like daddy with a wig

http://www.agonaskritis.gr/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/mpakogiannhntora.jpg

Could anyone post some pics of Cretans?

(Kefalogianni, Apostolaki, Mouskouri, Samaras, Dandoulaki, Petroulaki, Olga Farmaki)

http://www.nd.gr/image/image_gallery?uuid=1e1f0781-d97e-4eeb-9609-e61fb0e28334&groupId=57317&t=1303302575118

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3616/3522888830_575623b353.jpg

http://www.sweetslyrics.com/images/img_gal/9858_Nana+Mouskouri.jpg

http://wedontknowfootball.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/georgios-samaras.jpg

http://artcom.gr/photos/2065/570_952-small.jpeg?1260028571

http://www.i-live.gr/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/news-eleni-petroulaki-tetarto-paidi.jpg?84cd58

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5bAc3kgKZfk/S8OiMmeaPmI/AAAAAAAAAVw/nwRyER5BAtQ/s1600/image002.jpg

Absinthe

12-26-2011, 07:34 PM

I think they are greeks, now I' ve seen that there is the translation into english

http://www.ekeo.gr/english/

it says about HELLENIC ARMS CONTROL CENTER of Greece.
Told you,

It says [the photo caption] they are upper-rank officers of both Greek and Greek-Cypriot Army.

:)

Kacca

12-26-2011, 07:39 PM

Told you,

:)

yes sorry. I didn't read correctly your post. In fact those people looked more like turks than greeks.

Flintlocke

12-26-2011, 07:42 PM

yes sorry. I didn't read correctly your post. In fact those people looked more like turks than greeks.

It's the old 80's photo effect combined with old school grooming standards. :cool:

Queen B

12-26-2011, 08:01 PM

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
:D:D

Why not? Did you also saw a black cat?

hey, the site will crash :p great genes, she looks like daddy with a wig

http://www.agonaskritis.gr/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/mpakogiannhntora.jpg

A friend of mine says (jokingly) that they are one person. Just wears off the wig :D

Kacca

12-26-2011, 09:28 PM

It's the old 80's photo effect combined with old school grooming standards. :cool:

yes I'm agree, I think that more recent photos taken during the last riots in Athens can be better sources to show groups of Greeks.

http://exiledonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/3097276779_3f06ce4088_b.jpg

http://04varvara.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/03c-greek-riots-25-06-11.jpg

http://www.mashedreport.com/greek_riots.jpg

http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/13536/slide_13536_184711_large.jpg

http://exiledonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/a34_17349929-450x272.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-uxHFqcBAKX8/TiNfphx5azI/AAAAAAAAAHI/uNI0Wd5g7NA/s1600/greek-riots-4.jpg

http://exiledonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/_45279732_f42178a5-acdb-45c5-ab46-2cfd9b0f8f4f.gif

http://dadeindustries.com/frank_lovecchio/images/blogs_greek_riot.jpg

http://www.sampsoniaway.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Greek-Riot-3.png

http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/new3.png

http://exiledonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/a07_17349747.jpg

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/AP110222118017.jpg

Siberyak

12-26-2011, 09:35 PM

How common are natural Blondes among Greeks?

hajduk

12-26-2011, 09:36 PM

I think that more recent photos taken during the last riots in Athens can be better sources to show groups of Greeks.
Not really.

Kacca

12-26-2011, 09:38 PM

Not really.

why not? They give a general view of avarage people.

IMO they are better than single photos of actors and models.

Queen B

12-26-2011, 09:47 PM

How common are natural Blondes among Greeks?
Well, the most common are brunnetes. There is a percentage of blonde people (can't really tell rates)

What I have seen, is that the rate of light eyes is bigger than the rate of (natural) light hair.

yes I'm agree, I think that more recent photos taken during the last riots in Athens can be better sources to show groups of Greeks.

Not true. There was a high percentage of immigrants that participate to the riots.

hajduk

12-26-2011, 09:49 PM

What I have seen, is that the rate of light eyes is bigger than the rate of (natural) light hair.
its normally to be so in every country

Damião de Góis

12-26-2011, 09:53 PM

yes I'm agree, I think that more recent photos taken during the last riots in Athens can be better sources to show groups of Greeks.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-uxHFqcBAKX8/TiNfphx5azI/AAAAAAAAAHI/uNI0Wd5g7NA/s1600/greek-riots-4.jpg

What is the need for this? :rolleyes:

Queen B

12-26-2011, 09:55 PM

What is the need for this? :rolleyes:
Two immigrants and one blooded Greek.

:rolleyes2:

Kacca

12-26-2011, 09:56 PM

Two immigrants and one blooded Greek.

:rolleyes2:

sources? Where are they from?
To me they don't look strangers.

Mordid

12-26-2011, 09:57 PM

sources?
Source my arse. You're more annoying than a vuvuzela

Queen B

12-26-2011, 09:58 PM

sources?

- Myself, knowing how my people look like
- News and my own eyes, knowing how many immigrants did participate in riots.

Queen B

12-26-2011, 09:59 PM

Source my arse. You're more annoying than a vuvuzela

We used to be wogs, now we are Pakistanis :icon_rolleyes:

Sikeliot

12-26-2011, 10:00 PM

Source my arse. You're more annoying than a vuvuzela

Be nice!

Mordid

12-26-2011, 10:02 PM

Fuck you all, I'll have Dandelion on my way. Nobody take my gawjust Greek princess away from me, you evil beast.

Siberyak

12-26-2011, 10:04 PM

Well, the most common are brunnetes. There is a percentage of blonde people (can't really tell rates)

What I have seen, is that the rate of light eyes is bigger than the rate of (natural) light hair.

Not true. There was a high percentage of immigrants that participate to the riots.

Interesting, I always thought that 90% of Greeks had black hair.

Queen B

12-26-2011, 10:12 PM

Interesting, I always thought that 90% of Greeks had black hair.

Not really. Most are from light brown, to dark/very dark brown .

http://morningbounce.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/anne-hathaway-hair-lgn.jpg

Color like this being the most common.

Hess

12-26-2011, 10:14 PM

Interesting, I always thought that 90% of Greeks had black hair.

define "black". Few Europeans have real black hair like Africans do- most have a shade of dark brown.

Kacca

12-26-2011, 10:15 PM

- Myself, knowing how my people look like
- News and my own eyes, knowing how many immigrants did participate in riots.

so when I went to Greece I saw only immigrants.... :coffee:

Hess

12-26-2011, 10:16 PM

Greek Soccer team
http://www.soccer.gr/multimedia/wallpapers/national/hellas_1024x768.jpg

Kacca

12-26-2011, 10:17 PM

Interesting, I always thought that 90% of Greeks had black hair.

nowhere in Europe exists a country with 90% of black haired persons.
The most common hair in Greece is dark brown, like in all southern European countries.

Queen B

12-26-2011, 10:21 PM

so when I went to Greece I saw only immigrants.... :coffee:
Its possible. When I go downtown to Athens or enter a bus, the 80% are full of immigrants.

@ Hess, the Euro winner team :thumb001:

Τhe new one... (hopefull next Euro winner)

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0cdetwSq-RA/TBTMK8ttCII/AAAAAAAACMM/Z0i45ucKWdg/s1600/Hellas+team+2010+%283.3.2010%29.jpg

Siberyak

12-26-2011, 10:23 PM

Its possible. When I go downtown to Athens or enter a bus, the 80% are full of immigrants.

@ Hess, the Euro winner team :thumb001:

Τhe new one... (hopefull next Euro winner)

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0cdetwSq-RA/TBTMK8ttCII/AAAAAAAACMM/Z0i45ucKWdg/s1600/Hellas+team+2010+%283.3.2010%29.jpg

What about in smaller towns?

Lábaru

12-26-2011, 10:26 PM

Τhe new one... (hopefull next Euro winner)

:rolleyes:

Damião de Góis

12-26-2011, 10:29 PM

so when I went to Greece I saw only immigrants.... :coffee:

I like it when foreigners like Sheep Boy here (who we have no idea where he is from) argue with locals about how their people look, and make it seem like they know better or that we are lying.
He did the same with me. However, if you ask specifically what he visited in Athens or elsewhere in Greece he won't be able to say... :thumb001:

Queen B

12-26-2011, 10:32 PM

What about in smaller towns?

Depends of the towns. From my experience, there is no place in Greece with NO immigrants. but the percentage and the origin depends.

For example, in my hometown, Zakynthos, there are almost NO other immigrants, except Albanians. But out of 50.000 people there , 10.000 are Albanians.:eek:
In Thessaloniki there are many Russian-Pontic,Georgians and Russians...
Athens has a few-to-zero Russian-Pontics but its full of Black, Pakistanis, Baglandeshi and Indians, and of course Albanians. Also, have Phillipino and many Eastern Europeans.
But it depends on the place of Athens. In downtown, like Omonoia, there is only immigrants and junkies.
In places like Marousi,Faliro, Metomorfosi (and others) you won't find many of them.

Kacca

12-26-2011, 10:33 PM

Its possible. When I go downtown to Athens or enter a bus, the 80% are full of immigrants.

Neither in London there are 80% immigrants. :rolleyes:

And I visited many areas, also isolated and not much turistic.
People looked generally like a transition between extreme south Italians and Turkish.
Only near the north western border with Albania and Macedonia and in Athens I saw more people with slav features and natural light hair. But it's important to say that Athens is full of turists, same about coast seasides, where during summer you can meet especially northern european and german turists.

Sikeliot

12-26-2011, 10:34 PM

For example, in my hometown, Zakynthos, there are almost NO other immigrants, except Albanians. But out of 50.000 people there , 10.000 are Albanians.:eek:

So in a photograph of daily life there, 1 out of 5 is probably Albanian.

Absinthe

12-26-2011, 10:34 PM

so when I went to Greece I saw only immigrants.... :coffee:
If you were to Athens, and specific parts of the city, it is, unfortunately, possible, that, say 70% of the people you bumped into were immigrants.

Such is my neighbourhood, for example. :(

Queen B

12-26-2011, 10:35 PM

I like it when foreigners like Sheep Boy here (who we have no idea where he is from) argue with locals about how their people look, and make it seem like they know better or that we are lying.
He did the same with me. However, if you ask specifically what he visited in Athens or elsewhere in Greece he won't be able to say... :thumb001:

True.
You know what? If you see the questions of Clementina, about who are Greeks or who look Greek, I m usually very accurate on my guess.

I have lived in many different places of Greece , I have seen many ''kinds'' of Greeks.

Queen B

12-26-2011, 10:39 PM

So in a photograph of daily life there, 1 out of 5 is probably Albanian.

Not really. You might get a photograph full of Albanians or full of Greeks.
I don't know if they are ghettoed, or we are not very friendly, but they don't really get along (there are exceptions of course).

If you were to Athens, and specific parts of the city, it is, unfortunately, possible, that, say 70% of the people you bumped into were immigrants.

Such is my neighbourhood, for example. :(

True! I remember some months ago, my mom have visited me, and we rode a troley together... She looked at me strangely and said whispering '' Are we in Babel''?
None was talking Greek! NONE!!!

Mordid

12-26-2011, 10:40 PM

Are Albanians and Greeks phenotypically similiar?

Absinthe

12-26-2011, 10:47 PM

True! I remember some months ago, my mom have visited me, and we rode a troley together... She looked at me strangely and said whispering '' Are we in Babel''?
None was talking Greek! NONE!!!

That is exactly what I mean.

Not that Athens is altogether 80% immigrants, not even specific areas, but specific places, at a given time, can be.

Such places are public transportation means. The buses I take to work, for example, it's happened a few times that I am the only white female passenger.
*Bus 713 to Zofria :rolleyes2:

The trolley that goes to my area is usually over 50% immigrants.

A tourist riding these buses can be very confused as to who is who. The Pakistanis are obvious, but Balkan and Arab/N.African immigrants might be mistaken for Greek, if one is already predisposed to think that Greeks look like that.

Are Albanians and Greeks phenotypically similiar?

Didn't use to be, but the newer generations are much more so. It is often hard to tell a third generation Albanian from a Greek nowadays.

Mordid

12-26-2011, 10:50 PM

Absinthe, what it feels like to be Nordic god among Greeks? Sorry for asking stupid questions.

Queen B

12-26-2011, 10:52 PM

Are Albanians and Greeks phenotypically similiar?
Not really, though there are some that look alike.
Usually, I can tell a Greek from an Albanian easily.

A tourist riding these buses can be very confused as to who is who. The Pakistanis are obvious, but Balkan and Arab/N.African immigrants might be mistaken for Greek, if one is already predisposed to think that Greeks look like that.

Pakistanis are obvious? Kacca posted a picture with 2 Pakistanis and 1 blooded Greek as Greeks :coffee:

Anyway,
Some locals in a local magazine
(sorry for the small photos)

(Zakynthians)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/44645_1476224477241_1582604234_1136530_4630153_n.j pg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/34643_1425379846157_1582604234_1000819_6335232_n.j pg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/206394_1011551100697_1582604234_31872_2990_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/164103_1636719289511_1582604234_1440729_7275891_n. jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/155993_1607233312380_1582604234_1384563_531192_n.j pg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/163442_1625583211116_1582604234_1418703_5374771_n. jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/155701_1598986866224_1582604234_1369562_1200523_n. jpg

Mordid

12-26-2011, 10:54 PM

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/206394_1011551100697_1582604234_31872_2990_n.jpg
The girl on right should change her surname from unknown to Mrs Mordid.

Absinthe

12-26-2011, 10:56 PM

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/206394_1011551100697_1582604234_31872_2990_n.jpg
The girl on right should change her surname from unknown to Mrs Mordid.
I was just thinking that the girl on the right is eeringly similar to dandelion (if it wasn't for the eye colour, I'd be wondering)... :D

Mordid

12-26-2011, 10:59 PM

Dandelion's sister perhaps?

Queen B

12-26-2011, 10:59 PM

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/206394_1011551100697_1582604234_31872_2990_n.jpg
The girl on right should change her surname from unknown to Mrs Mordid.

Haha. Here are some more of her

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/180572_100637223350159_100002116442768_3491_139905 _n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/307832_183573355056545_100002116442768_394138_6888 53137_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/206728_115265751887306_100002116442768_129909_7914 103_n.jpg

Siberyak

12-26-2011, 11:00 PM

That is exactly what I mean.

Not that Athens is altogether 80% immigrants, not even specific areas, but specific places, at a given time, can be.

Such places are public transportation means. The buses I take to work, for example, it's happened a few times that I am the only white female passenger.
*Bus 713 to Zofria :rolleyes2:

The trolley that goes to my area is usually over 50% immigrants.

A tourist riding these buses can be very confused as to who is who. The Pakistanis are obvious, but Balkan and Arab/N.African immigrants might be mistaken for Greek, if one is already predisposed to think that Greeks look like that.

Didn't use to be, but the newer generations are much more so. It is often hard to tell a third generation Albanian from a Greek nowadays.

And what do greeks think of this?

Mordid

12-26-2011, 11:01 PM

^I think I just fainted about 20 second ago...

Sikeliot

12-26-2011, 11:03 PM

A tourist riding these buses can be very confused as to who is who. The Pakistanis are obvious, but Balkan and Arab/N.African immigrants might be mistaken for Greek, if one is already predisposed to think that Greeks look like that.

I'd never mistake a North African as Greek, ever. As far as Arabs, only really Lebanese and not even all of them, I can generally tell the difference. Other Balkan groups I'd have a tough time telling apart though.

Absinthe

12-26-2011, 11:05 PM

And what do greeks think of this?
The ones who have to live with it, hate it.

The ones who live in better areas or who don't have to take public transportation, are all for immigrant rights and "why can't we all just get along".

We had such a debate last night at a house I was invited.

One person who rents a house in my area, said he prevented a Syrian from renting the apartment above his, by "blackmailing" the landlady, that if she lets a non-white to rent it, he is going to leave from his own apartment.

The other people in the company went nuts and started calling him a racist hick and "how dare he" not only judge another human simply by his ethnic descent, but also boycott him from renting the house above!

The guy kept telling them, that if they love Africans and Arabs so much, maybe they should let them into their own apartment block and see what happens.

For the record, the anti-racists live in a rich and immigrant-free area.

Mordid

12-26-2011, 11:07 PM

I'm watching big fat greek wedding film.

Queen B

12-26-2011, 11:12 PM

The ones who have to live with it, hate it.

The ones who live in better areas or who don't have to take public transportation, are all for immigrant rights and "why can't we all just get along".

We had such a debate last night at a house I was invited.

One person who rents a house in my area, said he prevented a Syrian from renting the apartment above his, by "blackmailing" the landlady, that if she lets a non-white to rent it, he is going to leave from his own apartment.

The other people in the company went nuts and started calling him a racist hick and "how dare he" not only judge another human simply by his ethnic descent, but also boycott him from renting the house above!

The guy kept telling them, that if they love Africans and Arabs so much, maybe they should let them into their own apartment block and see what happens.

For the record, the anti-racists live in a rich and immigrant-free area.
Absinthe is absolutely right. No need to add more :) :thumb001:

Mordid

12-26-2011, 11:13 PM

I wish I were Greek, so I can dance with Absinthe and Dandelion.

Kacca

12-26-2011, 11:14 PM

Pakistanis are obvious? Kacca posted a picture with 2 Pakistanis and 1 blooded Greek as Greeks :coffee:

These are photos of volleyball Olympic Greek teams.
I think that there are no Pakistanis in them, can you confirm?

http://neoskosmos.com/news/sites/default/files/greek-volleyball-team.jpg

http://www.fiba.com/images/web/Events/10/FWCW/photos/team_photos/_original/TeamGreece.JPG

and
these
are
supporters

http://www.fivb.org/Photos/VB/Gallery/MQ05GRE/HighRes/MQ05GRE_26.jpg

http://www.cev.lu/NewsImages/11220/irav_030.jpg

Ushtari

12-26-2011, 11:14 PM

There lives about 1 million alboz in Greece

Greqija je Albanija

Queen B

12-26-2011, 11:15 PM

I was just thinking that the girl on the right is eeringly similar to dandelion (if it wasn't for the eye colour, I'd be wondering)... :D

Dandelion's sister perhaps?

Haha, no. I have no relation to this girl.:p And I don't have any sister. I have longer face than hers, darker eyes, and bigger lips. And I am 10cm taller :p

I don't know what my look-alikes are. I have been told that I look like 2 celebrities, but I don't think I do , so...

The only person that I have been mistaken for sisters is my best friend (no available photo atm)

Mordid

12-26-2011, 11:20 PM

Haha, no. I have no relation to this girl.:p And I don't have any sister. I have longer face than hers, darker eyes, and bigger lips. And I am 10cm taller :p

I don't know what my look-alikes are. I have been told that I look like 2 celebrities, but I don't think I do , so...

The only person that I have been mistaken for sisters is my best friend (no available photo atm)
Don't worry, Greek princess. You are much better looking than her. She's nice, but nowhere as better as you. :embarrassed

Ushtari

12-26-2011, 11:20 PM

Absinthe je teh hawtest Greek

Mordid

12-26-2011, 11:21 PM

Absinthe je teh hawtest Greek
Hey, back off Albo! She's mine.

Queen B

12-26-2011, 11:26 PM

These are photos of volleyball Olympic Greek teams.
I think that there are no Pakistanis in them, can you confirm?
http://neoskosmos.com/news/sites/default/files/greek-volleyball-team.jpg

Except the guys with the black in the edges (especially the left), the rest are Greeks

http://www.fiba.com/images/web/Events/10/FWCW/photos/team_photos/_original/TeamGreece.JPG
All look Greeks. There is a possibilities that the old men could be also from from western Europe, but can't really tell with their grey hair. They look Greek though.

and
these
are
supporters

http://www.fivb.org/Photos/VB/Gallery/MQ05GRE/HighRes/MQ05GRE_26.jpg
There are enough NON-Greeks in there

http://www.cev.lu/NewsImages/11220/irav_030.jpg
Can't see clearly, but they look all Greeks.

Queen B

12-26-2011, 11:28 PM

Don't worry, Greek princess. You are much better looking than her. She's nice, but nowhere as better as you. :embarrassed

Ohhh, thank you Mordid :embarrassed

Incal

12-26-2011, 11:33 PM

Not really, though there are some that look alike.
Usually, I can tell a Greek from an Albanian easily.

I've been told the trick to spot Albanians is by their rosy cheeks.

Queen B

12-26-2011, 11:36 PM

I've been told the trick to spot Albanians is by their rosy cheeks.
In women and kids yes, true.
Some ''tricks'' for me :
Women have rounder faces with ''cheeks'' and men have ''square'' heads...
Another way to tell the difference is .... (don't laugh coz I am very accurate on that)... is their dressing style.. :rolleyes:

Incal

12-27-2011, 12:01 AM

Another way to tell the difference is .... (don't laugh coz I am very accurate on that)... is their dressing style.. :rolleyes:

I believe you. Normally, immigrants dress like shit :D

Bozkurt_Karabash

12-27-2011, 12:08 AM

If you added these people slight more Caucasus and Central Asian influence (like 15 to 20%) they would look exactly like us Turks. I think they are a pretty good looking people.

kollaps

12-27-2011, 12:31 AM

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-uxHFqcBAKX8/TiNfphx5azI/AAAAAAAAAHI/uNI0Wd5g7NA/s1600/greek-riots-4.jpg

Two immigrants and one blooded Greek.

:rolleyes2:

If I remember from the incident, I think these two are actually saving Hatzidakis from rioters :rolleyes: *I don't know if they are immigrants, but I would guess not, especially the left one looks normal Greek. And the one rioter that hit him was a PASOK trade-unionist or sth, who had lost his job due to Hatzidakis' privatization.

*[edit: with a quick search, mystery solved http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M58KQcGNukg&feature=player_embedded#! ]

I don't agree that rallies are bad example of ordinary people, in my experience very few immigrants participate and those are in seperate parts of the demonstration. Public sector workers and the such that participate are almost exclusively Greeks. Riots on the other side are of course not a typical example, as those who participate in them wear hoods or masks ;)

Kacca

12-27-2011, 12:48 AM

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-uxHFqcBAKX8/TiNfphx5azI/AAAAAAAAAHI/uNI0Wd5g7NA/s1600/greek-riots-4.jpg

If I remember from the incident, I think these two are actually saving Hatzidakis from rioters :rolleyes: *I don't know if they are immigrants, but I would guess not, especially the left one looks normal Greek. And the one rioter that hit him was a PASOK trade-unionist or sth, who had lost his job due to Hatzidakis' privatization.

*[edit: with a quick search, mystery solved http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M58KQcGNukg&feature=player_embedded#! ]

I don't agree that rallies are bad example of ordinary people, in my experience very few immigrants participate and those are in seperate parts of the demonstration. Public sector workers and the such that participate are almost exclusively Greeks. Riots on the other side are of course not a typical example, as those who participate in them wear hoods or masks ;)

thank you. In fact these are probably his bodyguards, one is without doubt his bodyguard. Not a rioter. And surely he's not a Pakistani rebel.

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/10627_136888528463_95960413463_2442031_765878_n.jp g

(the man in the middle in the background is the same that you can see in the other photo on the left)

Queen B

12-27-2011, 12:49 AM

*[edit: with a quick search, mystery solved
Μystery is not solved. They just walk by him.

I don't agree that rallies are bad example of ordinary people, in my experience very few immigrants participate and those are in seperate parts of the demonstration. Public sector workers and the such that participate are almost exclusively Greeks.
Not true. Actually there were too many immigrants that side with ''aganaktismenous'' or rioters. (There were many camping in Syntagma, and also some channels did even interview them).
Due to the recent anti-racist , pro-immigrant rallies in Greece, they side a lot with Siriza assh#les.
http://www.proinoslogos.gr/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5358&catid=13&Itemid=3

Siberyak

12-27-2011, 12:51 AM

The ones who have to live with it, hate it.

The ones who live in better areas or who don't have to take public transportation, are all for immigrant rights and "why can't we all just get along".

We had such a debate last night at a house I was invited.

One person who rents a house in my area, said he prevented a Syrian from renting the apartment above his, by "blackmailing" the landlady, that if she lets a non-white to rent it, he is going to leave from his own apartment.

The other people in the company went nuts and started calling him a racist hick and "how dare he" not only judge another human simply by his ethnic descent, but also boycott him from renting the house above!

The guy kept telling them, that if they love Africans and Arabs so much, maybe they should let them into their own apartment block and see what happens.

For the record, the anti-racists live in a rich and immigrant-free area.

I heard about a far-right group in greece. I think they are called Golden dawn or something. They sent a bomb to the leader of the Pakistani diaspora in Greece badly injuring him.

Seeker

12-27-2011, 12:53 AM

The arsehole (the blooded arsehole) is a politician, so the picture is lovely, the niggers next to him are Greeks i think, probably the right one is gypsy or something...

People... go to bed, already! :D

Queen B

12-27-2011, 12:58 AM

I heard about a far-right group in greece. I think they are called Golden dawn or something. They sent a bomb to the leader of the Pakistani diaspora in Greece badly injuring him.

Yes, Golden Dawn - Hrusi Avgi. Due to the problems from immigrants, their popularity and the popularity of right-wing parties have increased.

The arsehole (the blooded arsehole) is a politician, so the picture is lovely, the niggers next to him are Greeks i think, probably the right one is gypsy or something...
People... go to bed, already! :D
No matter what it is, there is no reason to post pictures with bloods in such topic.
The one in the right could be easily Gupsy or lighter Pakistani.
I have seen him in downtown anyway...

Siberyak

12-27-2011, 01:03 AM

Yes, Golden Dawn - Hrusi Avgi. Due to the problems from immigrants, their popularity and the popularity of right-wing parties have increased.

No matter what it is, there is no reason to post pictures with bloods in such topic.
The one in the right could be easily Gupsy or lighter Pakistani.
I have seen him in downtown anyway...

What is the end game for greece with this economic crisis?

Queen B

12-27-2011, 01:05 AM

What is the end game for greece with this economic crisis?

Who knows?

Siberyak

12-27-2011, 01:10 AM

Who knows?

Are people really hurting in greece with the economy or am I just being fed US propaganda ?

Queen B

12-27-2011, 01:17 AM

Are people really hurting in greece with the economy or am I just being fed US propaganda ?
Bit of both ;)
Truth is that the media exaggerate a lot, it is not (.....yet) as bad as they say, but it is way worst than 1-2 years ago, for sure.

Flintlocke

12-27-2011, 08:39 AM

Northern and eastern neighborhoods of Athens are mostly Greek, the center neighborhoods are mostly immigrant. It is most visible from Omonoia square in the center and between Liosion and Patision street, Acharnon which is the street inbetween is the main concentration of Pakistanis and Africans. However there are significant numbers in western neighborhoods which used to be working class and the rents are cheaper like Nikaia, Piraeus, etc.

Flintlocke

12-27-2011, 08:42 AM

Are people really hurting in greece with the economy or am I just being fed US propaganda ?

Thousands of businesses have closed already, leaving almost a million unemployed. There are households where no one works and they have to make due with pennies. 25% of the currently active businesses are expected to close in 2012 leaving even more unemployed. It's pretty bad and it's gonna get worse.

kollaps

12-27-2011, 04:44 PM

thank you. In fact these are probably his bodyguards, one is without doubt his bodyguard. Not a rioter. And surely he's not a Pakistani rebel.

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/10627_136888528463_95960413463_2442031_765878_n.jp g

(the man in the middle in the background is the same that you can see in the other photo on the left)

I didn't mean to say that you were right in this thread, it's just that there is a big phenotypical differantiation in Greece that it isn't easy to judge from distant photoshots who is Greek and who is not (as dandelion did).

I heard about a far-right group in greece. I think they are called Golden dawn or something. They sent a bomb to the leader of the Pakistani diaspora in Greece badly injuring him.

Yeah, I remember growing up in the 90s those neo-nazi groups attacking the Albanians and their intrusion in Greece, and now they allow Albanians to be members in their groups and call them "white european brothers". Whatever.

Their leader is what one might call a true Aryan warrior:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_RNRpb3Xc_1g/TU01SP9583I/AAAAAAAAAG4/70Oqf1YwGWM/s1600/mixaloliakos.jpg

Lábaru

12-27-2011, 04:50 PM

He resembles the forum user named Chimo Bayo, is a clon :O

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_RNRpb3Xc_1g/TU01SP9583I/AAAAAAAAAG4/70Oqf1YwGWM/s1600/mixaloliakos.jpg

Queen B

12-27-2011, 05:05 PM

I didn't mean to say that you were right in this thread, it's just that there is a big phenotypical differantiation in Greece that it isn't easy to judge from distant photoshots who is Greek and who is not (as dandelion did).

Yes, in Greece there is a big differentiaton, but I think I have a bit experience on that.
I was working at a store in Omonoia, where the customers were 70% immigrants, 10% Junkies, 10% old people and the rest random people and businessmen who worked there.
(big chain electronic store)
So yes, I was in contact with them daily, so I am more accustomed their faces and phenotypes..
Also, I have lived in some places of Greece, and I am very used to different looks on Greeks.. Especially Ionians, Macedonia and Central Greece.

I am not a master, but usually, I can tell who is what..

Γέλως

12-27-2011, 05:17 PM

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-uxHFqcBAKX8/TiNfphx5azI/AAAAAAAAAHI/uNI0Wd5g7NA/s1600/greek-riots-4.jpg

Two immigrants and one blooded Greek.

:rolleyes2:

The man on the right could perfectly be Greek, there are people in Greece that look like him.

Please no more crap...

Flintlocke

12-27-2011, 05:53 PM

He resembles the forum user named Chimo Bayo, is a clon :O

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_RNRpb3Xc_1g/TU01SP9583I/AAAAAAAAAG4/70Oqf1YwGWM/s1600/mixaloliakos.jpg

Maniot. Same region.

Kacca

12-27-2011, 07:20 PM

The man on the right could perfectly be Greek, there are people in Greece that look like him.

Please no more crap...

unfortunately some people in this forum are into self denial. It happens also with other southern europeans, in partucular with portuguese (see the thread of Portuguese people), they called me troll because I showed how people really look.

Ushtari

12-27-2011, 07:23 PM

Damião de Góis

12-27-2011, 07:26 PM

you should change your name back to Kosovo je Sjrbia, it was much cooler :coffee:

So what is he? A balkanoid gypsy?

Ushtari

12-27-2011, 07:27 PM

So what is he? A balkanoid gypsy?
Yes from Kosovo(je sjrbia)

Mordid

12-27-2011, 07:29 PM

So what is he? A balkanoid gypsy?
Yes, he's from Serbypsy. Didn't I tell you that on other thread?

Kacca

12-27-2011, 07:38 PM

you should change your name back to Kosovo je Sjrbia, it was much cooler :coffee:

what the hell are you talking about?

Portuguese called me south american, greeks and Polish call me kosovar...I' m confused, decide where I' m from!

Mordid

12-27-2011, 07:41 PM

Kacca is Mordid

Queen B

12-27-2011, 09:03 PM

unfortunately some people in this forum are into self denial. It happens also with other southern europeans, in partucular with portuguese (see the thread of Portuguese people), they called me troll because I showed how people really look.

I am so sorry if I have lived all my life in Greece, in Thessaloniki,Serres, Chalkidiki,Athens,Chalkida and Zakynthos, and I am sorry if I believe that I know better my country than you do.

As a Southern European, I never believe that Greeks are the lightest neither that we don't have dark people. My father is a perfect wog himself.
But that doesn't mean that all the gupsies and the Pakistanis you can find are Greeks.
Probably they call you troll because you believe that Southern Europeans are only full of darkies, and that they basically look like Ahmadinejad...

The denial that I see, is that noone can admit that Greece can have all kind of people. Brunnetes(in majority)blond, wogs and even redheads....

I posted a some people some time ago, and automatically the darker were called Greeks, and the blondes as Slavs or whatever.
Even though some were non-Greeks and some mixed

Padre Organtino

12-27-2011, 09:32 PM

How can you confuse Paki with Greek? At most woggy Greek guys resemble Levantines. None of them look South Asian while these traits are evident even among lighter Pakistanis.

Queen B

12-27-2011, 09:50 PM

Random Greek Athlets.
http://www.sport24.gr/Sports/Stivos/article432910.ece/ALTERNATES/w620/stivos.jpg
http://www.sport24.gr/Sports/Polo/article1495321.ece/ALTERNATES/w620/804247.jpg
http://resources.sport-fm.gr/supersportFM/images/news/11/07/29/194122.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-uaP8R5QNvIw/TcrsM4hEjnI/AAAAAAAABy8/3U1EPQqSJ84/s1600/FA7A23EECB630D7E28AA400322C893CF.jpg
http://www.lions-radio.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/gk-_Iakovakis.jpg
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100304104737/anegkyklopaideia/images/5/58/Demis-nikolaidis.jpg
http://www.soccerplus.gr/sites/default/files/imagecache/article/2011/6/machlas090620111.jpg
http://moreradio.gr/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/04092011SPORT5a.jpg
http://greekvolley.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/greekvolleynewsgreeknationalteam2.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_WI2a-tjwA7I/S9xw3fZRUYI/AAAAAAAAAHI/-bKm45qUCQY/s1600/zagorakis.jpg
http://damiza.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/devet151208.jpg?w=645
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0HSK5VVvL_w/THIc4Sk-PiI/AAAAAAAAJ2c/qgP8IyyaeH8/s1600/88693.jpg

Queen B

12-27-2011, 09:58 PM

Random Politicians (We have the ugliest male politicians )
http://www.elora.gr/portal/images/stories//2007_10/liaphs.jpg
http://s.enet.gr/resources/2010-07/diamantopoyloy-thumb-large.jpg
http://www.iefimerida.gr/sites/default/files/avramopoulos-ipoyrgeio-660.jpg
http://www.iefimerida.gr/sites/default/files/imagecache/node_image660/papadimos-loukas-prwthypourgos-660.jpg
http://content-mcdn.ethnos.gr/filesystem/images/20111202/low/2011112102568_119972999.jpg
http://www.eidisis.gr/images/stories/prosopa/skandalidis.jpg
http://www.nooz.gr/Uploads/Financial/ellada/katseli-21.jpg
http://www.koutipandoras.gr/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/ger.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WLQ-Ls_HM94/TTQeoLT6KqI/AAAAAAAAdvo/9VpKmHyVFfU/s320/tromaktiko.jpg
http://www.epikairo.gr/images/stories/10-20_/freddosnews247rapti_b.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_yraJ99h1Ohk/S9iHHMH7O3I/AAAAAAAAJRE/SVGbi3cm2wk/s1600/1131260_b.jpg

Queen B

12-27-2011, 10:10 PM

Reality / show talents participants
http://www.musiccorner.gr/wp/wp-content/uploads/%CE%9D%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%BF%CF%82-%CE%91%CF%80%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B3%CE%B7%CF%82-1-.jpg
http://sfera989.gr/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/8511_KONSTANTINOS_ARGIROS_KATERINA_STIKOYDI_170520 11.jpg
http://homepages.pathfinder.gr/FiLaReTi/logo.gif
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mjwNJBrjLhI/TT8pKkyy26I/AAAAAAAAAMg/LtBp2ePph6I/s1600/2f21f2fb-71eb-4eb5-803c-c7144d44c0931-1.jpg
http://content-mcdn.feed.gr/filesystem/images/20110118/low/newego_LARGE_t_1401_87026493.JPG
http://vstatic.doldigital.net/vimawebstatic/D1024EBE01EDE055B0DB88C8801F7490.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_CD6WM_nhOo4/TNwglYFSv4I/AAAAAAAACOE/3iPaUYdUdqc/s1600/karafotis_h_633_451.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_RB-7SRLCzM0/TLiNdh0t7HI/AAAAAAAABGE/_pcTcN10PFg/s1600/400_Nino1_medium.jpg
http://www.onlycy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/nikos-mihas-fame-story-2.jpg
http://www.sweetslyrics.com/images/img_gal/13647_Thanos+Petrelis.jpg
http://www.forthnet.gr/media/PGallery/fame_story/Periklhs.jpg
http://www.onair24.gr/sites/default/files/imagecache/preview/photos/aspa.jpg
http://static.myworld.gr/assets/media/Top/summer%202010%20b/90395.jpg
http://static.myworld.gr/assets/media/Top/picture%20prosopa/92961.jpg
http://www.musiccorner.gr/wp/wp-content/uploads/%CE%9D%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%BF%CF%82-%CE%91%CF%80%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B3%CE%B7%CF%82-1-.jpg

Queen B

12-27-2011, 10:11 PM

Dardanos, don't post irrelevant stuff in the section about GREEKS

Queen B

12-27-2011, 10:22 PM

Random highschoolers (might also have some immigrants :S)

http://education.actionaid.gr/files/Image/GAW/GAW2010/1oLykeioXalkidas1big.JPG
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-u-BIfcX1VOI/TtK8vsamhwI/AAAAAAAAB78/xQ9k1CvjOAU/s1600/DSC04173_photoVolley_koritsia_1st_2oLykeio.jpg
http://www.contraepithesi.gr/news/images/stories/2011/november2011/LYKEIO_4o_TRIP_01.JPG
http://content-mcdn.ethnos.gr/filesystem/images/20090425/low/assets_LARGE_t_420_3211094.JPG
http://nstatic.doldigital.net/taneawebstatic/C55D25B9A1E60D0C559DB8CF345C0981.jpg
http://cdn.news247.gr/ellada/paideia/article820529.ece/ALTERNATES/w620/lykeio.jpg
http://magoulaonline.gr/wp-content/uploads/lykeio1.jpg
http://vstatic.doldigital.net/vimawebstatic/1AEC77E459AEA7F57961B2469E11991E.jpg
http://attikosparatiritis.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/comenius21.jpg
http://news247.gr/ellada/paideia/article819794.ece/ALTERNATES/w620/mathitria.jpg
http://www.edu4u.gr/Portals/0/ArticlePhotos/large/4c5aa272728e43b88a04f65c44fa347c.jpg
http://a.media.newsbomb.gr/items/cache/06ce3f28f3d8d300f43f651c48643270_XL.jpg?t=94391280 0

Mordid

12-27-2011, 10:30 PM

^Quite representative, I'd say.

Queen B

12-27-2011, 10:33 PM

^Quite representative, I'd say.
I think so, too. Greece has a variety of looks.
When I have time and mood I will start to post people from each region:D

Padre Organtino

12-27-2011, 10:35 PM

http://education.actionaid.gr/files/Image/GAW/GAW2010/1oLykeioXalkidas1big.JPG

:D

Mordid

12-27-2011, 10:35 PM

Well, every country has a variety of look aswell, but the majority of people look similar each to each other. So, I guess same goes to Greeks. :)

Queen B

12-27-2011, 10:54 PM

Well, every country has a variety of look aswell, but the majority of people look similar each to each other. So, I guess same goes to Greeks. :)

Not every country :p Have a look at Icelandics, Finnish or Swedes. The overhelming majority are Blondes,blue-eyes,fair skin.

Greeks, contrary to the popular opinion are not only swarthy looking people. They come to various shades of skin,hairs and eyes.

Mordid

12-27-2011, 11:00 PM

Not every country :p Have a look at Icelandics, Finnish or Swedes. The overhelming majority are Blondes,blue-eyes,fair skin.

Greeks, contrary to the popular opinion are not only swarthy looking people. They come to various shades of skin,hairs and eyes.
I'm talking about facial features, not pigmentation. ;)

Padre Organtino

12-27-2011, 11:00 PM

Not every country :p Have a look at Icelandics, Finnish or Swedes. The overhelming majority are Blondes,blue-eyes,fair skin.

Greeks, contrary to the popular opinion are not only swarthy looking people. They come to various shades of skin,hairs and eyes.

Greeks are not that heterogenous if you ask me. Most are normal medish folks with some being woggy and some sort of nordish. Now Balkans or Caucasus have a huge range of phenotypes.

Mordid

12-27-2011, 11:04 PM

Greeks are not that heterogenous if you ask me. Most are normal medish folks with some being woggy and some sort of nordish. Now Balkans or Caucasus have a huge range of phenotypes.
Indeed, I always thought the majority of Greeks are Med in phenotype, but of course, they have a lot of variety among them. Simultaneously, teh majority of Greeks are phenotypically typical Southern European.

Queen B

12-27-2011, 11:13 PM

Indeed, I always thought the majority of Greeks are Med in phenotype, but of course, they have a lot of variety among them. Simultaneously, teh majority of Greeks are phenotypically typical Southern European.

Yes, but still the Southern Europeans have different facial features from country to country

I'm talking about facial features, not pigmentation. ;)

Oh, yeah, true then :thumbs up

hajduk

03-18-2012, 11:53 AM

Dandelion's pics were very good, I will repost them
http://img.syrostoday.gr/articles/original/PA286371.JPG
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_E92SGibnHG0/TMgvF3qeGzI/AAAAAAAAAIQ/3GcKCcVBWm0/s1600/%CE%A0%CE%91%CE%A1%CE%95%CE%9B%CE%91%CE%A3%CE%97+% CE%9C%CE%91%CE%98%CE%97%CE%A4%CE%A9%CE%9D.jpg
http://www.gymkallampel.gr/wp-content/gallery/parelasi27october2011/1.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_z6fbFFSmoCg/TMmpkRf6lGI/AAAAAAAAEAY/1sV9Jrjs8LY/s1600/IMG_0404.JPG
http://news247.gr/incoming/article43454.ece/ALTERNATES/w620/72878_b.jpg
http://www.greekinsight.com/assets/articles/30544/zoom/28102009%20IST_02.jpg
http://www.forthnet.gr/media/PGallery/Parelasi_25Martiou/470xN/9994parelasi25.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_daATmwjbKPE/TMl1xa4R8YI/AAAAAAAAFxQ/EqzZpPW1G_U/s1600/%CF%80%CE%B1%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%BB%CE%B1%CF%83%CE%B7.j pg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zDdkXc9Rczk/TqVpUlcCTrI/AAAAAAABjSA/TdHdRwRMFz4/s1600/tromaktiko.jpg
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/303055_265986483444694_100001000328078_789453_9155 83723_n.jpg
http://www.lepanto-rtv.gr/pics/t1/news_617_70662.jpg
http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc424/mpetskas/blog/parelash.jpg