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Smaug
10-17-2013, 01:16 AM
That's what I've been telling these people all along. Like, I don't Scotland when my wife is Scottish? Cut the fuc%#&g crap already

Nice! You'll have Celtic children! What part of Scotland is she from? Is she Atlantid?

Anthropologique
10-17-2013, 01:19 AM
Nice! You'll have Celtic children! What part of Scotland is she from? Is she Atlantid?

Perth. She's Borreby + Atlantid and blond. My son is Alpine - Atlantid with auburn hair. He's pan - Western Euro.

Hevo
10-17-2013, 05:32 PM
Dutch look very germanic, so do scandinavians and most germans. British on the other hand look Werstern/Atlantic european, and not continental european/germanic at all, which makes sense due to their isolated geographical location.

Have you ever been to England? I mean come on, English and Dutch people/North Germans are closely related,(proved by genetics) and the phenotype differences between (Eastern) English and Dutch people are not that much.

Bloody
10-17-2013, 09:01 PM
Have you ever been to England? I mean come on, English and Dutch people/North Germans are closely related,(proved by genetics) and the phenotype differences between (Eastern) English and Dutch people are not that much.

Some eastern english might be physically wise closer to dutch, however the vast majority of english people (the english average) is quite easy to tell apart among the dutch individulas. Dutch are much taller and blonder on average than average english people.

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/4823/avgnegi8.jpg


1) Swedes and Dutch are more Nordic than Germans, who have a strong Alpine component; and Britons are distinguished from all by the Mediterranean elements in their population.

Even the british morph looks very atlantid, the dutch one is Nordid/Keltic Nordid, Swedish one is Nordid/West Baltid, and the German one is Nordid-CM/Alpine.

There you can easily see how morphs of Swedes, Dutch and Germans fit into the typical nordic/Germanic stereotype but the British one does not.

Jackson
10-17-2013, 09:05 PM
Some eastern english might be physically wise closer to dutch, however the vast majority of english people (the english average) is quite easy to tell apart among the dutch individulas. Dutch are much taller and blonder on average than average english people.

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/4823/avgnegi8.jpg


1) Swedes and Dutch are more Nordic than Germans, who have a strong Alpine component; and Britons are distinguished from all by the Mediterranean elements in their population.

Even the british morph looks very atlantid, the dutch one is Nordid/Keltic Nordid, Swedish one is Nordid/West Baltid, and the German one is Nordid/Alpine.

Lol, that British morph does not look typical. Probably the German is closest (except phenotypically slightly different) and we are darker than the Dutch and Swedish.

Bloody
10-17-2013, 09:09 PM
Lol, that British morph does not look typical. Probably the German is closest (except phenotypically slightly different) and we are darker than the Dutch and Swedish.

German morph is more typically nordic+cm and alpinid in between a typical central/northern european intermediate phenotype which makes sense for overall of germany, the morph of germany looks very different to british one, british looks very atlantic/western and german one looks central/northern european intermediate.

British morph looks very atlantid and with very dark hair, jhonny knoxville from jackass comes to mind when I saw that morph result lol.

That guy could only pass as native in the UK, very atlantid phenotypes (like you see often in UK and Ireland) stand out in germanic world, think about pierce brosnan and jhonny knoxville atlantids.

Jackson
10-17-2013, 09:16 PM
Here's some random people from the British Isles, from a documentary (Britain BC) i re-watched the other day. Guy de la Bedoyere (first picture) has French ancestry, but on his wiki page it says he is predominantly British, although he does look a bit unusual (as in facial features wise), i think he is a good example of a swarthy British person as his ancestry is mostly from the British Isles. I included all the people i could get a picture of on the program, so i'm not cherrypicking:

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/Brodir93/guydelabedoyere.png
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/Brodir93/britbc4.png
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/Brodir93/britbc1.png
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/Brodir93/britbc6.png
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/Brodir93/britbc5.png
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/Brodir93/britbc2.png
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/Brodir93/FrancisPryor.png
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/Brodir93/Britbc3.png

Jackson
10-17-2013, 09:18 PM
German morph is more typically nordic+cm and alpinid in between a typical central/northern european intermediate phenotype which makes sense for overall of germany, the morph of germany looks very different to british one, british looks very atlantic/western and german one looks central/northern european intermediate.

British morph looks very atlantid and with very dark hair, jhonny knoxville from jackass comes to mind when I saw that morph result lol.

That guy could only pass as native in the UK, very atlantid phenotypes (like you see often in UK and Ireland) stand out in germanic world, think about pierce brosnan and jhonny knoxville atlantids.

Yeah he does look a bit like Johnny Knoxville lol, true.

I see what you mean, i think he could pass as a (very) dark British person, and certainly has features that would fit here fine, but the morph is far from typical is what i'm saying.

WOOHP
10-17-2013, 09:22 PM
Here's some random people from the British Isles, from a documentary (Britain BC) i re-watched the other day. Guy de la Bedoyere (first picture) has French ancestry, but on his wiki page it says he is predominantly British, although he does look a bit unusual (as in facial features wise), i think he is a good example of a swarthy British person as his ancestry is mostly from the British Isles. I included all the people i could get a picture of on the program, so i'm not cherrypicking:

I usually watch the British Antiques Roadshow, and I can assure you that the people there do not look very different in comparision with Swedes or other Scandos. It's hard to miss how close the Germanics actually are to one and other.

Bloody
10-17-2013, 09:33 PM
I usually watch the British Antiques Roadshow, and I can assure you that the people there do not look very different in comparision with Swedes or other Scandos. It's hard to miss how close the Germanics actually are to one and other.

They dont, even blonde and redhead brits usually have different facial features from continental germanics and scandinavians.

THis guy is a clear example.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7eeKeKiXLJ4/Tso3nWNk5QI/AAAAAAAALvU/3_hghgxMKSs/s1600/simon_pegg.jpg

THis guy would never pass for anything else but a brit (maybe except for Irish), that combination of facial expression and features is uncanny brit.

Bloody
10-17-2013, 09:41 PM
Here's some random people from the British Isles, from a documentary (Britain BC) i re-watched the other day. Guy de la Bedoyere (first picture) has French ancestry, but on his wiki page it says he is predominantly British, although he does look a bit unusual (as in facial features wise), i think he is a good example of a swarthy British person as his ancestry is mostly from the British Isles. I included all the people i could get a picture of on the program, so i'm not cherrypicking:

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/Brodir93/guydelabedoyere.png
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/Brodir93/britbc4.png
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/Brodir93/britbc1.png
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/Brodir93/britbc6.png
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/Brodir93/britbc5.png
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/Brodir93/britbc2.png
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/Brodir93/FrancisPryor.png
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/Brodir93/Britbc3.png

All those people in pictures look like random white americans, Its funny how the British and Also the Irish are able to pass easily for white americans,on the other hand the other european groups are rapidly noticeable. Of course the white american genepool is broader, but overall the vast majority of brits and Irish might perfectly fit.

Jackson
10-17-2013, 09:56 PM
They dont, even blonde and redhead brits usually have different facial features from continental germanics and scandinavians.

THis guy is a clear example.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7eeKeKiXLJ4/Tso3nWNk5QI/AAAAAAAALvU/3_hghgxMKSs/s1600/simon_pegg.jpg

THis guy would never pass for anything else but a brit (maybe except for Irish), that combination of facial expression and features is uncanny brit.

I agree with this point, he does look ultra-British lol.

Anthropologique
10-17-2013, 09:59 PM
My opinion is that the British have the right blend of native variety. Who wants to look at just blond or only dark people all day long. Seriously ...

Anthropologique
10-17-2013, 10:00 PM
I agree with this point, he does look ultra-British lol.

Now that's a classic British look. Usually you find it mainly among the light types, for some unknown reason.

Smeagol
10-17-2013, 10:01 PM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7eeKeKiXLJ4/Tso3nWNk5QI/AAAAAAAALvU/3_hghgxMKSs/s1600/simon_pegg.jpg

THis guy would never pass for anything else but a brit (maybe except for Irish), that combination of facial expression and features is uncanny brit.

He's mostly Cro-Magnon.

Bloodsport
10-17-2013, 10:01 PM
Chris Coleman anybody?

Mans not hot
10-17-2013, 10:05 PM
I agree with this point, he does look ultra-British lol.
Yeah, he look pan British. Not distinctly English looking, imo.

Albion
10-21-2013, 01:25 AM
We have our own looks. British look like British (Irish included - they're British even if politics says they're not).

arcticwolf
10-21-2013, 01:29 AM
We have our own looks. British look like British (Irish included - they're British even if politics says they're not).

You lost me. What? LOL

How's hanging amigo. Long time no see, how is the defender of the vanishing Western Civ doing?

Albion
10-21-2013, 01:35 AM
http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/8812/8dfv.png

http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/6553/d4xb.jpg
Keltic and Anglo-Saxon types. No, Brits don't look like Germans.

Albion
10-21-2013, 01:46 AM
You lost me. What? LOL

British Isles form their own region and have their own phenotypes. Not everything relies on being Northern, Southern or any of that bullshit. Brits don't need to justify themselves by making comparisons to others, we're not some little backwater like Estonia.

Irish are part of the British family of peoples (no such ethnicity as "British" - the closest thing to a British ethnicity are Australians and New Zealanders since they're genuinely of mixed British Isles ancestry. British in Britain itself is just a cultural grouping and Irish form part of it whether they like it or not).


How's hanging amigo. Long time no see, how is the defender of the vanishing Western Civ doing?

I'm fine, thank you. Western Civilization is just in a rut because of the artificial peace. It isn't vanishing, it's just a temporary state. People said the British Empire was dying when it lost the Thirteen Colonies and look how that turned out.

Jackson
10-22-2013, 11:54 PM
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/253/europehair0223lighth.png
http://shrani.si/f/b/kM/2NGb019N/europe-eyes-general--lig.png

Jackson
10-22-2013, 11:57 PM
This seems fairly accurate. The numbers are the country averages by the looks of it.

Atlantic Islander
10-23-2013, 12:09 AM
Kind of silly that hazel eyes are not considered light.

Jackson
10-23-2013, 12:35 AM
Kind of silly that hazel eyes are not considered light.

Well they are more medium i guess, a mix of light and dark. Probably many of the green in there could be confused with hazel? I don't know

McCauley
10-23-2013, 12:43 AM
I don't know if I'd say swarthy, cause Brits always seem to be so pale no matter how dark their hair, but I always thought that was just a Celtic trait, leftover from the Iberians.

Jackson
10-23-2013, 12:47 AM
I don't know if I'd say swarthy, cause Brits always seem to be so pale no matter how dark their hair, but I always thought that was just a Celtic trait, leftover from the Iberians.

It's more likely French than Iberian for the most part, although there are low levels of typically Iberian lineages in the British Isles (~1-5%).

Atlantic Islander
10-23-2013, 12:48 AM
Well they are more medium i guess, a mix of light and dark. Probably many of the green in there could be confused with hazel? I don't know

Green is incredibly rare, so hazel-green is usually confused for proper green.

Anthropologique
10-23-2013, 01:07 AM
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/253/europehair0223lighth.png
http://shrani.si/f/b/kM/2NGb019N/europe-eyes-general--lig.png

I never trust these internet maps. I've travelled to about one quarter of these countries and can't agree with some of the percentages proffered. The map was produced by an Eastern Euro who relied on Coon crap and material from other such charlatans.

He also used photos of football players as one of the components. Silly.

Tooting Carmen
10-23-2013, 03:13 AM
I haven't looked at much of the thread, so apologies if others have posted the following examples already. It cannot be stressed enough that these types are no more than 5% of the native White British population at most.

Russell Kane, comedian
http://images.contactmusic.com/images/press/russell-kane-returns-to-larmer-tree-festival-2012.jpg

Micky Flanagan, comedian
http://www.classiquepromotions.co.uk/images/artists/Micky%20Flanagan%201.jpg

Tom Daley, diver
http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01559/SNF01TOM1---6204_1559218a.jpg

Alastair Cook, cricket player
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/df/Alastair_Cook.jpg

Gavin Henson, Welsh rugby player
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/files/2010/09/gavin-henson.gif

Jonathan Thomas, Welsh rugby player
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Jonathan_Thomas.jpg/220px-Jonathan_Thomas.jpg

Chris Coleman, Welsh football team manager
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/03_03/chriscolemanG3003_468x541.jpg

George Best, deceased Northern Irish footballer
http://www.sabotagetimes.com/wp-content/uploads/george_best.jpeg

Sian James, Labour MP
http://www.sianjamesmp.net/resources/sian_main.jpg

Caroline Flint, Labour MP
http://www.localenergy.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Caroline-Flint.jpg

Stephen Twigg, Labour MP
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/af/Stephen_Twigg_MP.jpg

Alistair Darling, Labour MP
http://brightgreenscotland.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/AlistairDarlingABr_cropped.jpg

John Redwood, Tory MP
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/02_02/JohnRedwoodDM_228x335.jpg

Andrew Murrison, Tory MP
http://www.andrewmurrison.co.uk/images/goodone220px-andrew_murrison_mp_001.jpg

Nigel Farage, UKIP Leader and MEP
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01474/NigelFarage_1474990c.jpg

Dermot Murnaghan, newsreader
http://jilliebushell.com/media/acts/large/Dermot-Murnaghan.jpg

James Mates, newsreader
https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/1414642793/DSC00991.JPG

Jeremy Bowen, BBC journalist
http://www.standard.co.uk/incoming/article8692354.ece/BINARY/original/Jeremy-Bowen.jpg

Daniel Sanford, BBC journalist
https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/1497949200/DanielSandfordSmall.jpg

Danny Savage, BBC journalist
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/58203000/jpg/_58203600_jex_1306654_de27-1.jpg

Tooting Carmen
10-23-2013, 03:21 AM
He often gets Arab roles lol.

He's a darker type, but not as brown as in that photo or when he plays Arabs. Here is a better photo of him:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/Dominic_Cooper_2010.jpg

Tooting Carmen
10-23-2013, 03:37 AM
English reality TV Star Hugo Taylor. In my opinion he could pass as Armenian.

http://www.heatworld.com/images/104371_292x381_STD/2011/8/Hugo_Taylor.jpg

Probably a Jew, even though he hasn't publicly stated it.

Atlantic Islander
10-23-2013, 03:51 AM
Judging by what's been posted throughout the thread, you just need to have brown hair and brown eyes in order to be considered swarthy. :rolleyes:

Tooting Carmen
10-23-2013, 04:58 AM
Judging by what's been posted throughout the thread, you just need to have brown hair and brown eyes in order to be considered swarthy. :rolleyes:

No, it's a bit more than that. Also, I checked wikipedia and Ray Dorset is definitely part-Black (as if it wasn't obvious already lol).

Übermensch
10-23-2013, 06:00 AM
I have calculated that English,Scottish and Irish are lighter haired than the Germans as a whole:

Germany:

pure light blonde hair: 5% around
blonde hair: 10%
light brown hair: 20%
medium brown hair: 40%
dark brown hair: 24%
black: 1%

In The Northen regions they have similar hair-eye colour to Irish and English people but in the South (like Bavaria) is much darker, my own estimation for Bavaria:

2,5% pure light blonde hair
7,5% blonde hair
15-20% light brown hair
20-30% medium brown hair
40-50% dark brown hair
5-10% black hair

Jackson
10-23-2013, 10:31 AM
Green is incredibly rare, so hazel-green is usually confused for proper green.

I agree! I don't remember having seen anyone in my life with pure green eyes - Seen a few with mostly green hazel eyes, or greenish hazel eyes.

Jackson
10-23-2013, 10:36 AM
I never trust these internet maps. I've travelled to about one quarter of these countries and can't agree with some of the percentages proffered. The map was produced by an Eastern Euro who relied on Coon crap and material from other such charlatans.

He also used photos of football players as one of the components. Silly.

True, i agree a bout the football players. Unless they are small local clubs they are pretty unreliable, even then not perfect. I know what you mean about the maps, although large surveys are the only way to really understand it to be honest. I know for a fact you can walk down two different streets here and get two different ideas of what people look like. If 1000 people with 8 great-grandparents were taken from every county/region in the British Isles (and in other countries, why not) and a section of society less likely to dye their hair was used (males 20-30 in this case is pretty good), you could get some pretty decent statistics.

Perhaps Beddoe might be more useful for the UK then. We mustn't forget that they were essentially trying to find answers to a similar set of questions that we use genetics for, so it's somewhat farcical to attack the people (unless their intentions made their data unreliable - but that can happen in genetics too).

aherne
10-23-2013, 11:17 AM
I never trust these internet maps. I've travelled to about one quarter of these countries and can't agree with some of the percentages proffered. The map was produced by an Eastern Euro who relied on Coon crap and material from other such charlatans.

He also used photos of football players as one of the components. Silly.

Just take a look. Apparently, Albanians are two times less light haired compared to Romanians. In reality, things stand just at the opposite.

Roy
10-23-2013, 11:54 AM
I agree! I don't remember having seen anyone in my life with pure green eyes - Seen a few with mostly green hazel eyes, or greenish hazel eyes.

People often confuse hazel or light eyes with heterochromy for green.

Tooting Carmen
10-23-2013, 12:56 PM
I have calculated that English,Scottish and Irish are lighter haired than the Germans as a whole:


ROFL. While the user Bloody certainly overstates the differences between Brits and Germans, that claim is WAY too far-fetched.

Jackson
10-23-2013, 01:01 PM
ROFL. While the user Bloody certainly overstates the differences between Brits and Germans, that claim is WAY too far-fetched.

Indeed, we are apparently slightly lighter eyed, but dark haired. Although each area has it's equivalents, overall Germany is a bit lighter in terms of hair colour, at least judging by those maps i posted.

Tooting Carmen
10-23-2013, 01:08 PM
True, i agree a bout the football players. Unless they are small local clubs they are pretty unreliable, even then not perfect. I know what you mean about the maps, although large surveys are the only way to really understand it to be honest. I know for a fact you can walk down two different streets here and get two different ideas of what people look like. If 1000 people with 8 great-grandparents were taken from every county/region in the British Isles (and in other countries, why not) and a section of society less likely to dye their hair was used (males 20-30 in this case is pretty good), you could get some pretty decent statistics.

Perhaps Beddoe might be more useful for the UK then. We mustn't forget that they were essentially trying to find answers to a similar set of questions that we use genetics for, so it's somewhat farcical to attack the people (unless their intentions made their data unreliable - but that can happen in genetics too).

Imo, politicians are usually the best way of getting to know what people from a particular ethnicity/nationality/region look like. Sports players nowadays, at least in contemporary Europe, come very disproportionately from immigrant/ethnic minority backgrounds. Further, in parts of the Americas like the USA, Colombia and Brazil, sports players are also disproportionately Black relative to their overall populations. As for actors, TV presenters and models, not so much in Europe but especially in Asia and Latin America, they are often heavily cherrypicked and unrepresentative. So, back to topic, imo these councillors from the English cities of York and Southampton are what a random gathering of native White British people would more or less look like (excluding the small numbers who aren't White British, of course). http://www.southampton.gov.uk/modernGov/mgMemberIndex.aspx?bcr=1 http://democracy.york.gov.uk/mgMemberIndex.aspx

Anthropologique
10-23-2013, 02:13 PM
Judging by what's been posted throughout the thread, you just need to have brown hair and brown eyes in order to be considered swarthy. :rolleyes:

Swarthy is supposed to pertain only to skin tone.

Anthropologique
10-23-2013, 02:18 PM
People often confuse hazel or light eyes with heterochromy for green.

My wife has true light green eyes.

Grace O'Malley
10-23-2013, 03:28 PM
Imo, politicians are usually the best way of getting to know what people from a particular ethnicity/nationality/region look like. Sports players nowadays, at least in contemporary Europe, come very disproportionately from immigrant/ethnic minority backgrounds. Further, in parts of the Americas like the USA, Colombia and Brazil, sports players are also disproportionately Black relative to their overall populations. As for actors, TV presenters and models, not so much in Europe but especially in Asia and Latin America, they are often heavily cherrypicked and unrepresentative. So, back to topic, imo these councillors from the English cities of York and Southampton are what a random gathering of native White British people would more or less look like (excluding the small numbers who aren't White British, of course). http://www.southampton.gov.uk/modernGov/mgMemberIndex.aspx?bcr=1 http://democracy.york.gov.uk/mgMemberIndex.aspx

For the Irish thread the majority of pictures are from GAA sites which are very representative of Irish people. GAA is Gaelic Athletic Association and the highest participation sports in Ireland are Gaelic football & hurling for males and camogie for females. Also pictures of crowds and fans attending such events are a good source to get a good idea of a variety of people and how they look. I guess that has made it a bit easier to get a good overview because they have these teams in every county in Ireland. Looking at pictures of politicians is pretty bland and boring and I don't know how representative they are of a broad cross section of people anyway but that is just my personal opinion.

Tooting Carmen
10-23-2013, 03:30 PM
Crowd photos are often vague and fuzzy, and even when not they run the risk of featuring at least some tourists and/or immigrants in this globalised age.

Grace O'Malley
10-23-2013, 03:33 PM
My wife has true light green eyes.

Yes I've seen a reasonable amount of people with definite green eyes and not hazel. My Aunt for example had true green eyes with no other colour in her eyes. All the other family members had mixed eyes of green grey.

Grace O'Malley
10-23-2013, 03:37 PM
Crowd photos are often vague and fuzzy, and even when not they run the risk of featuring at least some tourists and/or immigrants in this globalised age.

It just gives a good idea of colouring though as far as hair colour and what is most common and then you can have some of people close up. In a lot of country areas there are still not that many immigrants and tourists especially in relation to GAA games in Ireland anyway.

Graham
10-23-2013, 05:21 PM
I agree! I don't remember having seen anyone in my life with pure green eyes - Seen a few with mostly green hazel eyes, or greenish hazel eyes.

Where is Hazel-Green most common? It kinda common. here at least. I know a few with proper Green eyes.

Jackson
10-23-2013, 05:34 PM
Where is Hazel-Green most common? It kinda common. here at least. I know a few with proper Green eyes.

It's fairly common here, often they look brownish until you look closer.

Bloody
10-24-2013, 04:14 AM
I have calculated that English,Scottish and Irish are lighter haired than the Germans as a whole:

Germany:

pure light blonde hair: 5% around
blonde hair: 10%
light brown hair: 20%
medium brown hair: 40%
dark brown hair: 24%
black: 1%

In The Northen regions they have similar hair-eye colour to Irish and English people but in the South (like Bavaria) is much darker, my own estimation for Bavaria:

2,5% pure light blonde hair
7,5% blonde hair
15-20% light brown hair
20-30% medium brown hair
40-50% dark brown hair
5-10% black hair


Its pure trolling, Germany is considerably blonder than the UK, just do a normal search on a traveling/social site and germans are much blonder than brits, Brits are much more often mousy brown haired or dark brown haired.

A lot of germans are natural blondes I'd say about 2/3 of ethnic german population are either blondes, lightbrown or redhair.
Blonde hair (excluding light brown) varies from 30% in the south to 40-45% in the north.

Brits are only 20% blonde (mostly dark blonde) and redheads are about 7% of population.
In scotland it was measured either 42% medium brown and 38% dark brown.

People with the coloring of stefa effenberg, oliver kahn or boris becker are far more common in Germany than Among brits, in fact you would struggle to find adults with similar coloring in most areas of the UK, despite not having much difference in skin and eye color (which I still would give the nod to germany in that matter) the GErmans are definitely more often fair haired, specially very blond population, (medium and light shades of blonde) and also overall people with fair hair (lightbrown and blonde shades). The overhwhelm majority of brits seem stacked in the dark and medium brown hair color categories.

Typical scots.. Black and brown hair predominates..

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/50138000/jpg/_50138264_010716157-1.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-veu748KZD_8/TvmaLiP_puI/AAAAAAAAASI/RfqdY0XlzhY/s1600/Student+Protests.jpg

Typical scottish pigmentation:

http://www.uk.coop/sites/storage/public/images/cds-cets_study_tour_winners.jpg

http://www.sml.hw.ac.uk/documents/newsevents/HW_Saltire_Scholars_2012.jpg

The guys have typical alpinized brunn/atlantid phenotypes and obviously with stereotypical scottish pigmentation, the girls are fake blondes, you can easily notice it by how how thick the hair looks and how homogeneous bleached the hair color is.

Average Scottish pigmentation..

http://www.thedrum.com/uploads/drum_basic_article/86657/main_images/RTS%20awards.jpg

Even the girl from the back has bleached blonde hair, you can clearly see the very dark roots.

http://www.borderscollege.ac.uk/ckfinder/userfiles/images/News%20Photos%20March%202012/BASE-Football-Team-web.jpg

where is your super blond scotland? dark hair, pale skin and mixed to light eyes are by far the most common combination among brits.

Black hair rare in scotland? dont make me laugh:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-kmBFCs3iq_8/TVwqCSNJF7I/AAAAAAAAALY/mPRz1KWg8fg/s1600/rally+2.png



Scottish Students:

http://www.hamellbuilders.com/k_c_c/images/latest_news/boil_In_bag.jpg

Scottish local football team:

http://www.brignewspaper.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Stirling-University-2011-Alex-Jack-Cup-team.jpg


I wonder who started all that crap about british being nordid looking and blonde people, completly wrong..

Picture taken in Koln (western germany)

http://www.daad.de/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/p1000280.jpg

There are obviously some darker skinned foreigners in the first rows of the pic which add more dark hair to the picture, Its noticeable lighter haired than british crowds of people.


University students from Koln

Not a single atlantid looking person, picture is clearly dominated by nordid+CM people, and some heavy CM norther european types, definitely much blonder than your average british crowd dominated by mousy brown and dark brown hair.

http://img.welt.de/img/koeln/crop105225933/8708724764-ci3x2l-w620/fm-uni-DW-Berlin-Koeln.jpg

Swarthy western germans..

https://www.tu-braunschweig.de/Medien-DB/medienwissenschaften/img_1803_web.jpg

http://www.haz.de/var/storage/images/haz/hannover/aus-der-stadt/uebersicht/studenten-und-laenderspiele-das-ist-heute-wichtig/56378223-1-ger-DE/Studenten-und-Laenderspiele-das-ist-heute-wichtig_pdaArticleWide.jpg

http://www.kn-online.de/var/storage/images/kn/lokales/kiel/neuer-studentenrekord-in-kiel/20473624-1-ger-DE/Neuer-Studentenrekord-in-Kiel_ArtikelQuer.jpg


With all honestly I dont know how a brit could ever claim the UK is relatively close/comparable to germany in terms of hair blondism while the striking difference is clearly there..

http://www.kn-online.de/var/storage/images/kn/schleswig-holstein/schule-studium/hochschule/muessen-studenten-nach-flensburg/28297563-1-ger-DE/Muessen-Studenten-nach-Flensburg_ArtikelQuer.jpg

Lot of very blonde nordid types and even lot of very blonde men.

http://tahirchaudhry.de/onewebstatic/0cc71623d7-DSC06422.JPG


http://www.moinmoin.de/typo3temp/pics/0841fcaf9e.jpg

only 5% of germans have fair blonde hair .. yeah right..

IN the UK you hardly will find women with that hair color but natural, 80% of british blondes are dyed blondes, germany is full of natural blonde women, even the southern regions.

In this picture are more genuine blondes than all the british blondes I've seen (which can fit in a single hand and still have fingers left to count)
http://rockyourlife.de/-/uploads/flensburg/Fotocollage.jpg

jmls
10-24-2013, 04:26 AM
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Bloody
10-24-2013, 05:22 AM
There are the superblond Irish people:

http://www.stpaulsbessbrook.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/IMG_7359.jpg

http://www.stpaulsbessbrook.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/IMG_7344.jpg

Even young kids in Ireland tend to have pretty dark hair..

http://www.stjosephscrossmaglen.com/images/news/Apr%202013/Feis%201.jpg

http://static1.demotix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/a_scale_large/900-6/photos/1321595535--irish-students-march-in-protest_929496.jpg

armenianbodyhair
10-24-2013, 05:26 AM
What's her name from pirates and also CZJ

Übermensch
10-24-2013, 07:45 PM
The hair color of the Irish is predominantly brown; black hair accounts for less than 3 per cent of the total, while the ashen series (Fischer #20-26) amounts to but one-half of one per cent. Forty per cent have dark brown hair (Fischer #4-5); 35 per cent have medium brown (Fischer #7-9); reddish brown hues total over 5 per cent (closest to Fischer #6, #10), while clear reds (Fischer #1-3) run higher than 4 per cent. The rest, some 15 per cent, fall into a light brown to golden blond category (Fischer #11-19). Thus the hair color of the Irish is darker than that of most regions of Scandinavia, but not much darker than Iceland; it is notably different from Nordic hair, as exemplified by eastern Norwegians and Swedes, in its almost total lack of ash-blondism. The rufous hair color pigment reaches a world maximum here; not so much in reds as in the prevalance of golden hues in blond and brown shades. The lightest hair is found in the Aran Islands, where the commonest shade is, nevertheless, medium brown; in the southwestern counties there are more goldens and at the same time more dark-browns than in Ireland as a whole, while the Great Plain runs fairest of all. Red hair, with a regional maximum of 8 per cent, is commonest in Ulster, rarest in Waterford and Wexford.

In the proportion of pure light eyes, Ireland competes successfully with the blondest regions of Scandinavia. Over 46 per cent of the total group has pure light eyes, and of these all but 4 per cent are blue. Very light-mixed eyes (equivalent to Martin #13-14) account for another 30 per cent, while less than one-half of one per cent have pure brown. There is probably no population of equal size in the world which is lighter eyed, and blue eyed, than the Irish. The almost total absence of gray eyes corresponds to the equal paucity of ash-blond hair. Compared to eastern Norway, Sweden, and Finnic and Baltic groups, the eye color is disproportionately light in comparison to hair color. Regional differences, while not great, are of some importance. The ratio of pure blue eyes falls to 33 per cent in Kerry and Clare, and rises to 50 per cent in other regions - Carlow and Wicklow in the southeast, and Armagh, Monaghan, and eastern Cavan in the North. On the whole, the east is lighter eyed than the west, as it is lighter haired. At the same time the Presbyterians are blonder than the Catholics, who are in turn fairer than the members of the Church of Ireland.

Übermensch
10-24-2013, 07:52 PM
The Swiss are on the whole as blond as most West and South Germans, and less so than North Germans. About 50 per cent of recruits have dark brown hair (Fischer #4-5) while the rest have for the most part medium to light brown shades. Brown and dark-mixed eyes are found in one-third of the group.64 On the whole central and northern Switzerland are the blondest, and in these regions small localities may be extremely blond; light pigmentation is geographically associated with German speech. Italian and Romansch-speaking centers are the most brunet, while the French-speaking cantons are intermediate. In the northern cantons ash-blond hair (Fischer #22-26) is common, and is largely identified with Noric and sub-Nordic types.65

Übermensch
10-24-2013, 07:56 PM
Ireland:

0,5% light ash blond hair
15% golden blond hair
5% reddish brown hair
4,5% red hair
35% medium to light brown hair
40% dark brown hair

Switzerland-Austria-South Germany

50% dark brown
1% red+reddish
5-10% blonde hair (mostly ashen)
30% medium brown hair
10% light to medium brown hair

in Ireland pure blue eyes are around 40%,mixed blue hues are around 30%, the remaing 20% have green to hazel eyes and a 9,6% mixed-light brown eyes, pure-dark brown eyes are only 0,4%.

While in Southern Germany-Switzerland and Austria brown eyes is around 24-33% and pure blue eyes around 10%.

Not to mention skin '''Let us now examine the pigment characters and morphological traits of the Irish, both as a total group and regionally. In the first place, the Irish are almost uniquely pale skinned when unexposed, untanned parts of the body, are observed. Out of 10,000 men, over 90 per cent had skins of the pale pink shade represented by von Luschan #3, while not a single individual was darker than von Luschan #11. Although regional differences are not great, they are suggestive. In the southwestern coastal regions which we have designated as a metrical unit, the darker shades run from 4 per cent to 7 per cent; in the east, in the central plain and the counties near and south of Dublin, they run from 10 per cent to 18 per cent
The pale Irish skin, where exposed to the sun, shows a marked inclination to freckling. Forty per cent of the entire group are freckled to some extent; in Kerry the ratio rises as high as 60 per cent, in Waterford and Wexford, Carlow and Wicklow - the southeastern counties - it falls to 30 per cent. Thus a difference of two to one in this character serves to differentiate the southwest from the southeast even more clearly than do metrical criteria..''

while extreme southern germans ''The third group, that of the Upper Bavarian Miesbachers, is descended not from Alemanni, but from Bajuvars. Its history is presumably similar to that of other South German villages. The modern inhabitants are tall, with a mean stature of 170 cm., very brachycephalic, with a mean cephalic index of 85, and of medium head size. Their faces are broader and shorter than those of the modern Alemanni, and their noses less leptorrhine. Dark brown hair is predominant, blond hair is in the small minority, and the eye color is brown in 30 per cent of the group, while the skin color is a brunet-white in over 50 per cent. These people form one of the most brunet populations in Germany.'''

Bloody
10-24-2013, 08:22 PM
The hair color of the Irish is predominantly brown; black hair accounts for less than 3 per cent of the total, while the ashen series (Fischer #20-26) amounts to but one-half of one per cent. Forty per cent have dark brown hair (Fischer #4-5); 35 per cent have medium brown (Fischer #7-9); reddish brown hues total over 5 per cent (closest to Fischer #6, #10), while clear reds (Fischer #1-3) run higher than 4 per cent. The rest, some 15 per cent, fall into a light brown to golden blond category (Fischer #11-19). Thus the hair color of the Irish is darker than that of most regions of Scandinavia, but not much darker than Iceland; it is notably different from Nordic hair, as exemplified by eastern Norwegians and Swedes, in its almost total lack of ash-blondism. The rufous hair color pigment reaches a world maximum here; not so much in reds as in the prevalance of golden hues in blond and brown shades. The lightest hair is found in the Aran Islands, where the commonest shade is, nevertheless, medium brown; in the southwestern counties there are more goldens and at the same time more dark-browns than in Ireland as a whole, while the Great Plain runs fairest of all. Red hair, with a regional maximum of 8 per cent, is commonest in Ulster, rarest in Waterford and Wexford.

In the proportion of pure light eyes, Ireland competes successfully with the blondest regions of Scandinavia. Over 46 per cent of the total group has pure light eyes, and of these all but 4 per cent are blue. Very light-mixed eyes (equivalent to Martin #13-14) account for another 30 per cent, while less than one-half of one per cent have pure brown. There is probably no population of equal size in the world which is lighter eyed, and blue eyed, than the Irish. The almost total absence of gray eyes corresponds to the equal paucity of ash-blond hair. Compared to eastern Norway, Sweden, and Finnic and Baltic groups, the eye color is disproportionately light in comparison to hair color. Regional differences, while not great, are of some importance. The ratio of pure blue eyes falls to 33 per cent in Kerry and Clare, and rises to 50 per cent in other regions - Carlow and Wicklow in the southeast, and Armagh, Monaghan, and eastern Cavan in the North. On the whole, the east is lighter eyed than the west, as it is lighter haired. At the same time the Presbyterians are blonder than the Catholics, who are in turn fairer than the members of the Church of Ireland.

What ? quoting the american anthropologist who never left their hometowns in little arkansas? those studies are pure crap, I gave up considering them as reliable source since long time ago.

Compare scots and GErmans pigmentation wise..

GErman students:

http://www.assist-inc.org/sites/assist-inc.org/files/imagecache/zoomed/page_images/german_scholars_v2_2013-14.jpg

Scottish students: (again altlantid and atlanto-brunn being dominant types)

http://www.jameswatt.ac.uk/data/jameswatt/image/news/jan12_police_autism.jpg


What about those Dark southern german students? Yess blonde hair is soo damn rare there because a fat ignorant who never left his little town wrote it in some obscure racial book 200 years ago.. :picard1:

http://img.welt.de/img/stuttgart/crop102032341/9598728387-ci3x2l-w620/mst-stuttgart-20110616-DW-Sonstiges-Freiburg.jpg

http://www.zvw.de/media.media.fa1534af-3433-4f10-9152-aff39b66b145.normalized.jpeg

http://www.abendblatt.de/img/norddeutschland/crop105631795/1938728296-ci3x2l-w620/hoersaal-ueberfuellt-HA-Wirtschaft-Freiburg.jpg


UK isn't blonde at all, true blonde people are in the single digits (not mousy or sandy hair but true yellow haired), In germany people with yellow-golden blond hair are everywhere, even in the southern regions. Very very few british women, can I ask any? are blonde and germanic looking like that..

http://www.starnostar.com/data/images/who-is-Marry-Queen-is-star-or-no-star-Miroslava-celebrity-vote.jpg

Women like that are everywhere in germany.

Typical british women pigmentation (without bleach help) is like that:

http://static.guim.co.uk/Guardian/lifeandstyle/gallery/2008/aug/12/british.women.athletes/heather1-2537.jpg

Übermensch
10-24-2013, 08:28 PM
Still Ireland isn't much darker than Iceland in terms of hair colour, Northen Germans indeed do have a similar colouring to british people:

''The hair is brown as a rule among adults; 54 per cent could be classed as dark brown (Fischer #27, 4-7); the rest are divided between golden and ashen shades of light brown and blond. The hair as a rule darkens steadily throughout life; at the onset of senility, 80 per cent of all non-white hair observed was dark brown, as against 7 per cent at the age of 6 years. By contrast, the eyes are very light; less than 3 per cent have brown or dark-mixed shades (Martin #1-6); 78 per cent have eyes which are pure light or almost entirely so (Martin #13-16). This combination of very light eyes with brown hair is typical of Palaeolithic survivors in northern Europe, rather than of Nordics.''

""The Questenbergers have a mean cephalic index of 82.4, which is low for eastern Germany, and the head size is intermediate between that of the South Germans and of those in the northwest. Compared to the southern Germans, these Saxons are very light in skin, hair, and eye color; the predominant hair color is a medium brown while the eyes are mostly pure light or light-mixed, and dark eyes are limited to about 5 per cent. The noses of the Questenbergers are as a rule high and narrow, and frequently convex. These Saxons fall as a group into the Noric racial type; brunet Dinarics are rather uncommon here, as are morphologically typical Alpines. It seems most reasonable to regard these people as the descendants of Iron Age Nordics who have been partially brachycephalized by Alpine and Dinaric admixture.

Turning farther east to Silesia, we encounter a comparatively new German population. Silesia, overrun by the Slavs, was resettled by German colonists in the thirteenth century, and the colonists were mostly Thuringians and Upper Saxons, with a few from the Upper Rhine country.56 They came from a region which is today largely Noric, Dinaric, and Alpine, but which at the time of their exodus was still considerably Nordic.

A sample drawn from Friedersdoff in the Sudeten lands of German Silesia may be taken as typical of this eastern German population.57 The stature is only moderate, with a mean of 166 cm.; the head is of Alpine or Dinaric size and definitely smaller than those of North or West Germans, while the cephalic index of 86.5 is hyperbrachycephalic. The facial and upper facial indices are too low for Dinarics, and fall into an Alpine category; the noses, like those of the Bavarians, are usually straight in profile, and only moderately leptorrhine (N. I. = 67). Like the Saxons, these people are not infrequently blond. Medium brown hair is the commonest color; 20 per cent of eyes are brown, while most of the others are light and light-mixed.'''

Übermensch
10-24-2013, 08:33 PM
I have seen lots of south Germans with dark brown eyes but not even a single irishman, maybe 1 or 2 out of 500.
Irish people lighter eyed as norwegians and swedish (they have more pure blue eyes than them) but in terms of hair colour more comparable to Iceland and Northen Germany.

Tooting Carmen
10-24-2013, 08:35 PM
Irish comparable to Icelandics and North Germans in terms of hair colour? The Irish are very blue-eyed, yes, but as blond as those groups? ROFL.

Übermensch
10-24-2013, 08:38 PM
Irish comparable to Icelandics and North Germans in terms of hair colour? The Irish are very blue-eyed, yes, but as blond as those groups? ROFL.

Irish are 15% golden-strawberry blond haired and 9,5% red to auburn haired.

Bloody
10-24-2013, 08:42 PM
I have seen lots of south Germans with dark brown eyes but not even a single irishman, maybe 1 or 2 out of 500.
Irish people lighter eyed as norwegians and swedish (they have more pure blue eyes than them) but in terms of hair colour more comparable to Iceland and Northen Germany.

You haven't I can post thousand of pictures even of Irish kids having dominant hair color some shade of dark brown, even in southern germany the overwhelm majority of kids are very blond.

Irish People are much darker in hair color than other northern people:

Yes very blonde.. look at those Irish students looking exactly like northern germans LOL

http://www.stpaulsbessbrook.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/IMG_7359.jpg

http://www.stpaulsbessbrook.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/IMG_7342.jpg

http://www.stpaulsbessbrook.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/IMG_7357.jpg

A typical group of Irish people is usually dominated by black/darkbrwon hair followed by some chesnut haired people and a minority of redheads. Blondes are hardly present on the mix.

Compare to northern germans:

http://www.kn-online.de/var/storage/images/kn/schleswig-holstein/schule-studium/hochschule/muessen-studenten-nach-flensburg/28297563-1-ger-DE/Muessen-Studenten-nach-Flensburg_ArtikelQuer.jpg

http://www.kn-online.de/var/storage/images-versioned/29080949/1-ger-DE/Kein-Konsens-bei-der-Lehrerausbildung1_ArtikelQuer.jpg

You clearly know nothing about Irish or British people.

Bloody
10-24-2013, 08:46 PM
Irish comparable to Icelandics and North Germans in terms of hair colour? The Irish are very blue-eyed, yes, but as blond as those groups? ROFL.

The nihilist is a troll, he knows nothing about British or Irish, he also is an Italians who claims to be nordic when he is your typical med-dinaric italian lol, this guy is so clueless and probably just trolling us all.

Even The english and Scots who are less dark haired than Irish as a whole are nowhere close to Icelandic or Northern german blondeness, all british isles groups are predominantly brown haired by a large, Most scots and english are medium/mousy brown closely followed by a large minority of dark brown haire people (38%), blondes are in the minority in both countries. In Ireland and Wales dark brown hair is even more common than medium/mousy brown.

Damião de Góis
10-24-2013, 08:47 PM
Irish are 15% golden-strawberry blond haired and 9,5% red to auburn haired.

Just out of curiosity, where are you getting those numbers from?

Übermensch
10-24-2013, 08:48 PM
When i ever claimed to be nordic?

Übermensch
10-24-2013, 08:48 PM
Just out of curiosity, where are you getting those numbers from?

From Coon.

Bloody
10-24-2013, 08:49 PM
Irish are 15% golden-strawberry blond haired and 9,5% red to auburn haired.


No Irish are 15% fair haired. Truly golden haired people as in yellow blonde are no more than 5% (probably even less) in both wales and Ireland. 75-80% of Irish are either Dark and medium brown (dark brown being slighty more common) 10% of Irish are redheads and 15% are either lightbrown or blond. True blonde hair is more rare than red hair in Ireland, Wales and western/southern english counties.

Bloody
10-24-2013, 08:50 PM
From Coon.

Coon never left america, Anybody who has seen groups of Irish and who has seen the northern germans would completly laugh at your claims. Irish are nowhere as blonde as southern germans or even austrians, let alone compared to uber blonde northern germans.

Damião de Góis
10-24-2013, 08:52 PM
From Coon.

Right... i find their exactness hilarious. 9,5% :D

Anthropologique
10-24-2013, 08:54 PM
Where is Hazel-Green most common? It kinda common. here at least. I know a few with proper Green eyes.

I know green-hazel is common in France and also Iberia. It's generally considered a dark eye colour.

Jackson
10-24-2013, 08:55 PM
No Irish are 15% fair haired. Truly golden haired people as in yellow blonde are no more than 5% (probably even less) in both wales and Ireland. 75-80% of Irish are either Dark and medium brown (dark brown being slighty more common) 10% of Irish are redheads and 15% are either lightbrown or blond. True blonde hair is more rare than red hair in Ireland, Wales and western/southern english counties.

That is laughably incorrect for where i'm from in southern England.

Bloody
10-24-2013, 08:58 PM
That is laughably incorrect for where i'm from in southern England.

Still what nihilist is posting is utterly nosense.

This kind of pigmentation is far more common Among Germans than Among brits

http://i52.fastpic.ru/big/2013/0210/69/67082d2821344b327196099b26644a69.jpg

Tooting Carmen
10-24-2013, 09:00 PM
My two nearest professional rugby teams. N.B. A few players are foreign, but even so...
http://www.ospreysrugby.com/Teams/Squad/Ospreys http://www.scarlets.co.uk/eng/rugby/people.php

Kastrioti1443
10-24-2013, 09:04 PM
Germans are indeed very blond people. They may be as a whole the 8th blondest nation in europe and if we take northern germany, maybe the 6th. Blondism in Germany is ( surprisingly) decreased and underestimated. The german member here Grenzland is platinium blond.

Bloody
10-24-2013, 09:14 PM
Germans are indeed very blond people. They may be as a whole the 8th blondest nation in europe and if we take northern germany, maybe the 6th. Blondism in Germany is ( surprisingly) decreased and underestimated. The german member here Grenzland is platinium blond.

The only nations who are blonder (as in having more often very blond people) than germany as a whole are Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark,Netherlands and Iceland.

Baltic people tend to be light haired as a whole, but a lot of them are light brown or sandy brown, however yellow haired people arent that common on crowds unlike the old anthropologist suggested. Northern germany is on par with dernmark and netherlands pigmentation-wise, and somewhat blonder than Iceland and Western norway , whom are darker on average due to recognizable atlantid strains.

Some areas in Germany and Netherlands (North east netherlands and upper north west germany respectively) along with judlandic areas of denmak (continental european territory of denmark) might be on dispute as some/if not the blondest areas in europe.

Kastrioti1443
10-24-2013, 09:17 PM
The only nations who are blonder (as in having more often very blond people) than germany as a whole are Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark,Netherlands and Iceland.

Baltic people tend to be light haired as a whole, lot of them are light brown or sandy brown, however yellow haired people arent that common on crowds unlike the old anthropologist suggested. Northern germany is on par with dernmark and netherlands pigmentation-wise, and somewhat blonder than Iceland and Western norway , whom are darker on average due to atlantid strains.

I think as overall still Estonia and Lithuania have more blonder people, but if we take into account only northern germany, As i said and you also porved my opinion, Germany is the 6th in europe concering blondism. Germany was the centre of nordic race in 1930 just like Serbia as the centre of Dinaric race at the same period.

Tooting Carmen
10-24-2013, 09:22 PM
Some secondary school students from Swansea, my home city:

http://legacymedia.localworld.co.uk/275773/Article/images/15384171/3585394.png http://images.pitchero.com/clubs/3386/082809221328.jpg http://cbw.cricketwales.org.uk/uploads/news/ladytaverners.jpg http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/hd2HSVkfswI/maxresdefault.jpg?feature=og https://swansea-edunet.gov.uk/en/schools/Gwyr/SchoolGallery/997b18d37d3b4986bc23e199d897a6e7/_w/IMG_4304_JPG.jpg http://cbw.cricketwales.org.uk/uploads/news/photo7.JPG http://cbw.cricketwales.org.uk/uploads/news/20120508_160943.jpg http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/50281000/jpg/_50281616_ysgolgyfungwyryspotyelliesimmonds.jpg http://legacymedia.localworld.co.uk/275773/Article/images/15666635/3665403.png http://www.stemcymru.org.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/83-Ysgol-Gyfun-Gwyr-300x199.jpg http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47418000/jpg/_47418479_hartsonone.jpg https://swansea-edunet.gov.uk/en/schools/Gwyr/SchoolGallery/997b18d37d3b4986bc23e199d897a6e7/_w/IMG_4334_JPG.jpg https://swansea-edunet.gov.uk/en/schools/Gwyr/PageImages/IMG_4313.JPG http://www-old.shawnigan.ca/files/imagecache/thickbox/images/gallery/2010-10-25_BryntaweR14.jpg http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45840000/jpg/_45840053_iau-4_parti_bechgyn.jpg

Bloody
10-24-2013, 09:24 PM
I think as overall still Estonia and Lithuania have more blonder people, but if we take into account only northern germany, As i said and you also porved my opinion, Germany is the 6th in europe concering blondism. Germany was the centre of nordic race in 1930 just like Serbia as the centre of Dinaric race at the same period.

WHo are the other 5 according to you? I think you mean northern-GErmany is 6th blonder place in europe.

Kastrioti1443
10-24-2013, 09:29 PM
WHo are the other 5 according to you? I think you mean northern-GErmany is 6th blonder place in europe.

Well Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland and Estonia.

Tooting Carmen
10-24-2013, 09:34 PM
More:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_tPjVFHmA_ZI/SgcByqMD-bI/AAAAAAAAALI/UwVzjl8wAtk/s1600-h/1.JPG http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47454000/jpg/_47454301_cardiff512.jpg http://www.ptreview.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Gwyr_lr_article.jpg http://www.ostc.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/OSTC_visit_with_Bryn_Tawe.jpg http://legacymedia.localworld.co.uk/275773/Article/images/17628088/4411596.jpg http://www.bryntawe.swansea.sch.uk/wp281/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/DLl1.jpg http://217.199.187.57/bryntawe.swansea.sch.uk/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/cwrs-anwytho2.jpg http://www.bryntawe.swansea.sch.uk/wp281/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/jess.jpg http://www.bryntawe.swansea.sch.uk/wp281/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/pantycelyn5-150x150.jpg http://217.199.187.57/bryntawe.swansea.sch.uk/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/3.jpg http://217.199.187.57/bryntawe.swansea.sch.uk/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/sc-300x168.jpg http://www.bryntawe.swansea.sch.uk/wp281/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/dj2.jpg

Jackson
10-24-2013, 09:34 PM
Still what nihilist is posting is utterly nosense.

This kind of pigmentation is far more common Among Germans than Among brits

http://i52.fastpic.ru/big/2013/0210/69/67082d2821344b327196099b26644a69.jpg

Well those maps i posted seem close to accurate based on my own experiences. In that case Germany has 41% Blond people, 3% Red haired, and England has 30% Blond people and 6% red haired, that is pretty much what i'm used to. Of course it varies by region with the north-east and east being lighter, and the south-west being darkest. That is a significant difference in my opinion. I do not fundamentally disagree with what you are saying because Germans are clearly lighter haired than the majority in the British Isles, it's just that there's quite a few ridiculous exaggerations flying around. I find it hard to believe that all the people I've seen randomly and known throughout my life all happen to be very atypical, the coincidence would be staggering. :P

Atlantic Islander
10-24-2013, 09:37 PM
Why do people even care about blonde hair? Plenty of blondes don't even like their hair because it has no shine - that's why they go darker.

Bloody
10-24-2013, 09:39 PM
Well Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland and Estonia.

I dont think Western norway Is blonder than Northern germany, Lot of atlantid strains.

Jackson
10-24-2013, 09:39 PM
Why do people even care about blonde hair? Plenty of blondes don't even like their hair because it has no shine - that's why they go darker.

Brunettes are better indeed. :P
Although i find the combination of blond hair and brown eyes pretty cool, not so common.

Atlantic Islander
10-24-2013, 09:41 PM
Although i find the combination of blond hair and brown eyes pretty cool, not so common.

Yes, that combination is interesting.

Grace O'Malley
10-25-2013, 03:54 PM
You haven't I can post thousand of pictures even of Irish kids having dominant hair color some shade of dark brown, even in southern germany the overwhelm majority of kids are very blond.

Irish People are much darker in hair color than other northern people:

Yes very blonde.. look at those Irish students looking exactly like northern germans LOL

http://www.stpaulsbessbrook.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/IMG_7359.jpg

http://www.stpaulsbessbrook.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/IMG_7342.jpg

http://www.stpaulsbessbrook.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/IMG_7357.jpg

A typical group of Irish people is usually dominated by black/darkbrwon hair followed by some chesnut haired people and a minority of redheads. Blondes are hardly present on the mix.

Compare to northern germans:

http://www.kn-online.de/var/storage/images/kn/schleswig-holstein/schule-studium/hochschule/muessen-studenten-nach-flensburg/28297563-1-ger-DE/Muessen-Studenten-nach-Flensburg_ArtikelQuer.jpg

http://www.kn-online.de/var/storage/images-versioned/29080949/1-ger-DE/Kein-Konsens-bei-der-Lehrerausbildung1_ArtikelQuer.jpg

You clearly know nothing about Irish or British people.

We are dark and mysterious and popular. That's why every nation on earth has an Irish pub.:p

Corvus
10-25-2013, 03:56 PM
We are dark and mysterious and popular. That's why every nation on earth has an Irish pub.:p

Don`t forget the dark beer, called Guiness if my mind serves me right :)

Grace O'Malley
10-25-2013, 04:06 PM
Don`t forget the dark beer, called Guiness if my mind serves me right :)

Guinness is the best drink in the world and it doesn't matter how much you drink because you can tell everyone you are anemic and you are just drinking it for the iron. :thumb001:

Übermensch
10-25-2013, 04:11 PM
Alice can you post some representetive pics of the Irish? I'v been both in Southern Germany (Baden Wuttemberg) both in Ireland and Irish people are much lighter, datas confirm it:

40% dark brown+black
35% medium to light brown
5% reddish brown hair (auburn)
4,5% clear red hair
15% golden blond-strawberry blond hair (similar to mine)
0,5% light blonde hair

Southern Germany-Austria-Switzerland)
50% dark brown
1% red
10% blonde hair
30% medium to light brown hair.
10% black hair

Ireland:

26% type I pinkish+freckled,50% type II fair,19,6% type III tanned,3,5% type IV dark

Southern Germany-Austria-Swizterland

2% type I,12% type III,78% type III,8% type IV.

Plus dark brown eyes among Southern Germans,Austrians and Swiss are around 24-33% while among Irish only 0,4%.
Also Corvus can confirm it.

Smaug
10-25-2013, 04:16 PM
http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/8812/8dfv.png

http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/6553/d4xb.jpg
Keltic and Anglo-Saxon types. No, Brits don't look like Germans.

Why there is Berid in Wales?

Übermensch
10-25-2013, 04:16 PM
I dont think Western norway Is blonder than Northern germany, Lot of atlantid strains.

Norway is way blonder:

90. A compasison between Vildes's series of 100 adult male Livs with the younger Norwegian recruit total from Bryn and Schreiner, with a series of Finnish hair samples studied by the author, and with a Lettish series which will he studied later, follows. The grouping is that of Vildes.

FISCHER DESIGNATION LIVS
NUMBERS (VILDES) (100) NORWAY FINNS LETTS
16-22 Lt. blond 3 1.46% 2.23% 1.33%
12-15, 23-24 Blond 17 11.6 8.99 4.00
9-11, 25-26 "Brunet" 45 37.1 40.22 49.33
5-8 "Dk. brunet" 29 44.9 48.60 40.00
4, 27, 28 "Black" 4 3.7 ___ 4.00
1-3 Red 2 1.34 ___ 1.33

While among Fermanes (Scwelstein holstein):

''The hair is brown as a rule among adults; 54 per cent could be classed as dark brown (Fischer #27, 4-7); the rest are divided between golden and ashen shades of light brown and blond. The hair as a rule darkens steadily throughout life; at the onset of senility, 80 per cent of all non-white hair observed was dark brown, as against 7 per cent at the age of 6 years. By contrast, the eyes are very light; less than 3 per cent have brown or dark-mixed shades (Martin #1-6); 78 per cent have eyes which are pure light or almost entirely so (Martin #13-16). This combination of very light eyes with brown hair is typical of Palaeolithic survivors in northern Europe, rather than of Nordics.''

Übermensch
10-25-2013, 04:37 PM
Most of Germans are brown haired, even in the North.

Jackson
10-25-2013, 05:05 PM
Here's a list of councillors in Cornwall:
https://democracy.cornwall.gov.uk/mgMemberIndex.aspx?bcr=1

Grace O'Malley
10-25-2013, 05:27 PM
Alice can you post some representetive pics of the Irish? I'v been both in Southern Germany (Baden Wuttemberg) both in Ireland and Irish people are much lighter, datas confirm it:

40% dark brown+black
35% medium to light brown
5% reddish brown hair (auburn)
4,5% clear red hair
15% golden blond-strawberry blond hair (similar to mine)
0,5% light blonde hair

Southern Germany-Austria-Switzerland)
50% dark brown
1% red
10% blonde hair
30% medium to light brown hair.
10% black hair

Ireland:

26% type I pinkish+freckled,50% type II fair,19,6% type III tanned,3,5% type IV dark

Southern Germany-Austria-Swizterland

2% type I,12% type III,78% type III,8% type IV.

Plus dark brown eyes among Southern Germans,Austrians and Swiss are around 24-33% while among Irish only 0,4%.
Also Corvus can confirm it.

There's no point in that sort of thing. Anyway I like the image of the Corrs and people like Pierce Brosnan representing Irish people. As Atlantic Islander pointed out dark hair is very attractive.

Dandelion
10-25-2013, 05:32 PM
Rowan Atkinson. ;)

Bloody
10-25-2013, 06:49 PM
Most of Germans are brown haired, even in the North.

Why? because coon told you that, Well you are only 16 , so I know at your age self-judgment is still not developed.

Most germans have fair hair, (blonde or lightbrown), However blonde germans are still about 40% of the population. About two thrids of germans are fair haired.


Of course coon had little to no idea when writing those silly books. He never left his hometown.

Among all the british groups you will find about a 20% of the total who have any form of light hair, be it red, blond and or lightbrown. The mousy brown and dark brown categories dominate the crowds, usually distributed about even.

Jackson
10-25-2013, 07:17 PM
Why because coon told you that, Well you are only 16 , so I know at your age self-judgment is still not developed.

MOst germans have fair hair, (blonde or lightbrown), However blonde germans are still about 40% of the population. About two thrids of germans are fair haired.


Of course coon has little idea when writing those silly books.

IN all british gorups you will find about a 20% who have any form of light hair, be it red, blond and or lightbrown. The mousy brown and dark brown categories, usually distributed about even , dominate the overall crowds of different british groups.

Well according to the maps/statistics i posted, your estimate for Germany matches mine exactly. You can't use one part of the data and not use the other. However in the same set of stastics the national averages of light hair in the British Isles are:

56% for England
52% for Scotland
42% for Wales
38% for Ireland

However the regional differences are also important

Light hair is 20-35% in parts of Wales and western Ireland.
In most of Ireland, the rest of Wales, western Scotland and some parts of south and south-west England light hair is 35-50%
In south-east Ireland, southern and eastern Scotland, central-southern England, western England and the far north of England light hair is 50-65%
In eastern, east-central and north-eastern England light hair is over 65%, at similar levels to the Dutch, German and Danish averages.

So one could say that about half of the British Isles has light hair in the majority, and another half has dark hair in the majority - With dark hair being highest in the far west and south-west, and light hair being highest in the east. The range of variation is comparable on the continent to the area from NW France to Denmark if all regional differences are taken into account. In terms of the British Isles as a whole (Britain and Ireland), hair pigmentation is most comparable to Belgium, being marginally lighter.

In terms of eye pigmentation, the average for the whole of the British Isles (Britain and Ireland) is 76%, roughly the same as that of the Netherlands and significantly more than that of Belgium.

So overall you could say that taken as a whole the British Isles in terms of pigmentation are between the Belgians and the Dutch, with significant regional differences. This of course makes perfect sense given our history, and also that the Belgians and Dutch are among our closest genetic relatives.

Also, addressing the quoted and discounting his argument based on factors outside the parameters being used to explain it is a logical fallacy. I could ask questions about yourself, and find a reasonable explanation as to why you propose the argument that you do, but that would not discount your argument.

Smeagol
10-25-2013, 07:34 PM
South Germans are mostly brown haired. Overall their hair color percentages are probably close to the British.

Bloody
10-25-2013, 08:34 PM
Well according to the maps/statistics i posted, your estimate for Germany matches mine exactly. You can't use one part of the data and not use the other. However in the same set of stastics the national averages of light hair in the British Isles are:

56% for England
52% for Scotland
42% for Wales
38% for Ireland

However the regional differences are also important

Light hair is 20-35% in parts of Wales and western Ireland.
In most of Ireland, the rest of Wales, western Scotland and some parts of south and south-west England light hair is 35-50%
In south-east Ireland, southern and eastern Scotland, central-southern England, western England and the far north of England light hair is 50-65%
In eastern, east-central and north-eastern England light hair is over 65%, at similar levels to the Dutch, German and Danish averages.

So one could say that about half of the British Isles has light hair in the majority, and another half has dark hair in the majority - With dark hair being highest in the far west and south-west, and light hair being highest in the east. The range of variation is comparable on the continent to the area from NW France to Denmark if all regional differences are taken into account. In terms of the British Isles as a whole (Britain and Ireland), hair pigmentation is most comparable to Belgium, being marginally lighter.

In terms of eye pigmentation, the average for the whole of the British Isles (Britain and Ireland) is 76%, roughly the same as that of the Netherlands and significantly more than that of Belgium.

So overall you could say that taken as a whole the British Isles in terms of pigmentation are between the Belgians and the Dutch, with significant regional differences. This of course makes perfect sense given our history, and also that the Belgians and Dutch are among our closest genetic relatives.

Also, addressing the quoted and discounting his argument based on factors outside the parameters being used to explain it is a logical fallacy. I could ask questions about yourself, and find a reasonable explanation as to why you propose the argument that you do, but that would not discount your argument.

Depends how you define "light" hair. most brits have either mousy brown followed by dark brown (excluding Ireland and wales where dark brown is even the most common hair color). If you consider light hair as Blonde+lightbrown then I doubt more than half of scots and english are light haired.

And not, flemish are blonder than british people, I'm not sure about french speaking belgians, they are probably closer to british average.

I've lately tested average pictures from many different sources and British Islanders ended up being by a large margin the most dark haired Northern europeans.

Some random british student groups:

http://craigwhittakermp.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/auschwitz-7.jpg

English Students from Yorkshire:

http://www.stmarysmenston.org/News/PublishingImages/BP%20Diana%20Award%20December%202012/St%20Marys%20High%20School%20students%20with%20Dia na%20Champion%20Volunteer%20Award%20%28full%20size %29.jpg

More english students:

http://www.john-spendluffe.lincs.sch.uk/images/news/future_chef_2012.jpg

http://www.john-spendluffe.lincs.sch.uk/images/news/hit_training/banner.jpg

And I dont think there is no remote chance there is 56 and 52% of light hair in Scotland and England, Maybe in some remote isolated area of east anglia, but for whole england and scotland? no way.

South Yorkshire girls:

http://www.ecgbert.sheffield.sch.uk/_files/images/E21EF7525E046EFFABB41BF2528B2B28.JPG

http://www.eastridingcollege.ac.uk/retrieve/a9ecf70913dd6b604cc89c6669acb2a7

Tooting Carmen
10-25-2013, 08:41 PM
Alright Bloody, you've made your point. Big deal.

Balmung
10-25-2013, 08:44 PM
Overall their hair color percentages are probably close to the British.

Makes sense, don't they cluster like right next to the British?

Smeagol
10-25-2013, 08:47 PM
Makes sense, don't they cluster like right next to the British?

Actually, the British cluster more with North Germans, and Dutch.

Balmung
10-25-2013, 08:49 PM
Actually, the British cluster more with North Germans, and Dutch.

I know, thats why i edited the "Southern German" part of his post out.

Jackson
10-25-2013, 08:50 PM
Depends how you define "light" hair. most brits have either mousy brown followed by dark brown (excluding Ireland and wales where dark brown is even the most common hair color). If you consider light hair as Blonde+lightbrown then I doubt more than half of scots and english are light haired.

And not, flemish are blonder than british people, I'm not sure about french speaking belgians, they are probably closer to british average.

I've lately tested average pictures from many different sources and British Islanders ended up being by a large margin the most dark haired Northern europeans.

Some random british student groups:

http://craigwhittakermp.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/auschwitz-7.jpg

English Students from Yorkshire:

http://www.stmarysmenston.org/News/PublishingImages/BP%20Diana%20Award%20December%202012/St%20Marys%20High%20School%20students%20with%20Dia na%20Champion%20Volunteer%20Award%20%28full%20size %29.jpg

More english students:

http://www.john-spendluffe.lincs.sch.uk/images/news/future_chef_2012.jpg

http://www.john-spendluffe.lincs.sch.uk/images/news/hit_training/banner.jpg

And I dont think there is no remote chance there is 56 and 52% of light hair in Scotland and England, Maybe in some remote isolated area of east anglia, but for whole england and scotland? no way.

South Yorkshire girls:

http://www.ecgbert.sheffield.sch.uk/_files/images/E21EF7525E046EFFABB41BF2528B2B28.JPG

http://www.eastridingcollege.ac.uk/retrieve/a9ecf70913dd6b604cc89c6669acb2a7

Well i'm only using the same data set that you used. Or one that agrees with your statistics on the German population, so if yours are accurate, mine are also accurate.

Smeagol
10-25-2013, 08:52 PM
I know, thats why i edited the "Southern German" part of his post out.

Yeah, it's pretty stupid to argue that the English aren't a Germanic population.

Bloody
10-25-2013, 08:56 PM
Well i'm only using the same data set that you used. Or one that agrees with your statistics on the German population, so if yours are accurate, mine are also accurate.

Well Its obviously after analizing so many random pictures of british students there is no way 52% of scots and 56% of english are light haired, so you would still believe 50% of chinese are redheads only because a study says so, even if visual evidence strongly debunks those stats?

Bloody
10-25-2013, 08:57 PM
Yeah, it's pretty stupid to argue that the English aren't a Germanic population.

English are an atlantic european population just like welsh, irish and scots, only with more north/eastern influences on eastern shores, nonetheless the atlantic input is even overwhelming majority in those areas.

HUll city (yorkshire club) fans, definitely not looking like danes..

http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1874344.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Hull-City-fans-run-onto-the-pitch-to-celebrate-their-teams-promotion-to-the-Premier-League-1874344.jpg

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2008/10/11/Hullfans460.jpg

http://www.hullcityafc.net/cms_images/common/crowd2-4-3116-125561_478x359.jpg

Smeagol
10-25-2013, 09:01 PM
English are an atlantic european population just like welsh, irish and scots, only with more north/eastern influences on eastern shores, nonetheless the atlantic input is even overwhelming majority in those areas.

And that's why they are genetically closest to North Germans, Dutch, and Scandinavians.;)

Jackson
10-25-2013, 09:03 PM
Well Its obviously after analizing so many random pictures of british students there is no way 52% of scots and 56% of english are light haired, so you would still believe 50% of chinese are redheads only because a study says so, even if visual evidence strongly debunks those stats?

Well i cannot agree there, because my own strong visual evidence broadly agrees with what i have posted, and not what you have posted. In addition one can cherry pick photos all they want, but statistical analysis is much more reliable. But about the Chinese - That's a non argument. By that sort of argument, perhaps we should not trust any evidence at all and live in an informational dark age?

Jackson
10-25-2013, 09:04 PM
English are an atlantic european population just like welsh, irish and scots, only with more north/eastern influences on eastern shores, nonetheless the atlantic input is even overwhelming majority in those areas.

In that case you would have to conclude that the rest of NW Europe is also an Atlantic population like the Welsh, Irish and Scots, as NW Europeans are all closely related.

Caismeachd
10-25-2013, 09:05 PM
There is a pretty massive influence of Germanic background all throughout the UK. Even in Scotland. Maybe a bit different in Wales and Ireland. True atlantic I would say contributes about ~25%-40% of the population. The rest is Germanic and a smaller portion Norse. There are more lighter haired people in Scotland than true dark brown/black haired folks. There are lots of blondes. Even very light haired blondes. Dark brunettes aren't an anomaly or anything and they are frequent (my dad had dark brown/black hair) but they really aren't the standard.

Graham
10-25-2013, 09:07 PM
There is a pretty massive influence of Germanic background all throughout the UK. Even in Scotland. Maybe a bit different in Wales and Ireland. True atlantic I would say contributes about ~25%-40% of the population. The rest is Germanic and a smaller portion Norse. There are more lighter haired people in Scotland than true dark brown/black haired folks. There are lots of blondes. Even very light haired blondes. Dark brunettes aren't an anomaly or anything and they are frequent (my dad had dark brown/black hair) but they really aren't the standard.

There are lots of Scots with your hair colour or mine.

Tooting Carmen
10-25-2013, 09:10 PM
SNP politicians (Alex Salmond is actually quite dark, but there are plenty of light ones): http://www.snp.org/people

Graham
10-25-2013, 09:13 PM
SNP politicians (Alex Salmond is actually quite dark, but there are plenty of light ones): http://www.snp.org/people

West Lothian where he's from. He's normal, for the Working class areas, but still the darker shade. He grew up on a Council Estate, & some of his family were friends of my family.

Caismeachd
10-26-2013, 01:57 AM
There are lots of Scots with your hair colour or mine.

Yeah the avg would probably be a little darker than our hair colour but not by much. There aren't a bunch of swarthy people here but there are a lot of brunettes. There are far more people with light brown hair and blond hair than there are true dark brunettes though. Though Scotland does have it's fair share of true stereotypical atlantid types. They are maybe 1/10 or so. Even the dark brunette folks generally have very fair skin anyways though.

In the photos posted of the Scottish NP, in person I think they'd look a bit more fair than in poor quality photos.

Grace O'Malley
10-26-2013, 05:58 AM
Well Its obviously after analizing so many random pictures of british students there is no way 52% of scots and 56% of english are light haired, so you would still believe 50% of chinese are redheads only because a study says so, even if visual evidence strongly debunks those stats?

Bloody I can post pictures of British and Irish showing people with a lot of blond hair if I chose but you obviously pick pictures at the opposite end of the spectrum. What kind of "Celtic" are you anyway?

Prisoner Of Ice
10-26-2013, 06:24 AM
There is a pretty massive influence of Germanic background all throughout the UK. Even in Scotland.

Here's the difference yes. Totally different peoples.

Kalimtari
10-26-2013, 09:08 AM
I know green-hazel is common in France and also Iberia. It's generally considered a dark eye colour.

and in Balkans

half of my family has these eyes:

http://www.glossandglam.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/special-recent-posts/lib/phpimage.php?width=600&height=600&rotation=no&file=L2hvbWUvZ2xvc3M0L3B1YmxpY19odG1sL2Jsb2cvd3AtY 29udGVudC91cGxvYWRzLzIwMTIvMDkvNmEwMGQ4MzQxYzYzMGE 1M2VmMDE0ZTg2NjE4NTI0OTcwZC04MDB3aS5qcGc=

Caismeachd
10-26-2013, 02:28 PM
Here's the difference yes. Totally different peoples.

Totally different in what way? There is a big overlap between English and Scottish. Even Graham and myself have some readily known English ancestors. I'm sure a lot of Scottish people do even if they are reluctant to admit it. The difference between Scotland and England is the culture mostly.

Bloody
10-26-2013, 07:54 PM
Yeah the avg would probably be a little darker than our hair colour but not by much. There aren't a bunch of swarthy people here but there are a lot of brunettes. There are far more people with light brown hair and blond hair than there are true dark brunettes though. Though Scotland does have it's fair share of true stereotypical atlantid types. They are maybe 1/10 or so. Even the dark brunette folks generally have very fair skin anyways though.

In the photos posted of the Scottish NP, in person I think they'd look a bit more fair than in poor quality photos.

Are you being really serious?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np8x5V2lF1M

Random Celtic FC supporters, they look very atlantid, definitely easy to tell apart from Scandinavians, Dutch or germans.

Maybe paleoatlantids like Rowan atkinson are 1/10 of Scottish population, but atlantids as a whole? what about atlantid influenced phenotypes, they are for sure the majority..

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Sport/Pix/pictures/2011/2/7/1297103116143/Celtic-supporters-abuse-E-007.jpg

All phenotypes with strong atlantid influence..

http://images.pitchero.com/ui/483155/1368715192_0.jpg

The large chunck of scottish population dont look much different than them

You can easily tell apart brits and germans, in how the later group almost always has zero atlantid influence..

http://www.defensacentral.com/userfiles/2013/Apr_26/KloppDentro_12_original.jpg

Usually the atlantid phenotype is what gives the pan western european looks present on brits, french and northern Iberians.

Central/northern european looks usually stick out from a pan western european looks, different bone structure and way higher blondism. Even the fair haired brits usually have noticeable atlantid strains.

Bloody
10-26-2013, 08:07 PM
Rando videos of English football fans: A large chunck of them (majority) who could pass as beatles members any day of the week:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVSZO2VBaAg

Atlantids and atlanto-brunns everywhere.

Scottish Students:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5LE8Huu0T8


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SINvGBZ_Ho
Certainly not particularly scandinavian or continental nordic looking. As expected dark hair predominates with an ocassional redhead here and there.

Jackson
10-26-2013, 08:24 PM
Dark hair also predominates in these students too, and they are younger:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k1wllfdJfw

Corvus
10-26-2013, 08:27 PM
Even if you post videos about Germans you will not find exclusivly blondes, as Blondism as a whole is recessive anywhere.
But perhaps in certain parts of Germany (North and West) they are more prevalent than in Great Britain

Bloody
10-26-2013, 08:30 PM
Dark hair also predominates in these students too, and they are younger:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k1wllfdJfw

Yes you are right, there are relatively darkhaired areas in norway (westerncoastal areas), however even there you can see more people with fair area than heavily atlantid areas in the UK, Also if you see the face of the kids dont look very atlantid but rather baltid/lappid (in some cases) influenced.

What about those danish students?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NvbSDexvq4

Bloody
10-26-2013, 08:40 PM
Even if you post videos about Germans you will not find exclusivly blondes, as Blondism as a whole is recessive anywhere.
But perhaps in certain parts of Germany (North and West) they are more prevalent than in Great Britain

The point is the UK (and more so Ireland) are much darker haired than other areas In northern europe. Edit, Im not meaning that makes them southern european, they are just much more atlantid and dark hair is by far more common.

Corvus
10-26-2013, 08:44 PM
The point is the UK (and more so Ireland) are much darker haired than other areas In northern europe. Edit, Im not meaning that makes them southern european, they are just much more atlantid and dark hair is by far more common.

I can concur with that. Its a legit statement. Great Britian is doubtless Atlantid influenced, even though still predominantly Northern European = Germanic

Bloody
10-26-2013, 08:45 PM
I can concur with that. Its a legit statement. Great Britian is doubtless Atlantid influenced, even though still predominantly Northern European = Germanic

Britain is Northern european and Germanic only considering the language they speak but not considering the overwhelm of their ancestry (unlike germany, holland, Denmark, sweden..), its more atlantid pre-celtic/pre-germanic by ancestry, and you can clearly note this in the physical appearance of their inhabitants.

Smeagol
10-26-2013, 08:49 PM
Britain is Northern european and Germanic only considering the language they speak but not considering the overwhelm of their ancestry (unlike germany, holland, Denmark, sweden..), its more atlantid pre-celtic/pre-germanic by ancestry, and you can clearly note this in the physical appearance of their inhabitants.

What are you talking about?, of course it's Germanic, The British genetically are closest too North Germans, Dutch, and Scandinavians, and besides that there is a larger Nordic influence then you like to admit, I could go and post pictures of only the blonde British...
Even the Atlantids in Britain are mostly dark haired, blue eyed North Atlantids.

Bloody
10-26-2013, 08:51 PM
What are you talking about?, of course it's Germanic, The British genetically are closest too North Germans, Dutch, and Scandinavians, and besides that there is a larger Nordic influence then you like to admit, I could go and post pictures of only the blonde British...
Even the Atlantids in Britain are mostly dark haired, blue eyed North Atlantids.


Im talking about physical appearance, the people posted on videos dont look at all like Scandinavians dutch or germans, despite what hair color they have.

Its easy to tell apart brits from other nationalities (except the Irish), you clearly never left your hometown if you believe brits look anything like germans, dutch or scandinavians. I've already shown enough evidence which cannot be downplayed.

Übermensch
10-26-2013, 08:55 PM
Irish people

40% dark brown+black
35% medium to light brown
5% reddish brown hair (auburn)
4,5% clear red hair
15% golden blond-strawberry blond hair (similar to mine)
0,5% light blonde hair

Southern Germany-Austria-Switzerland

50% dark brown
1% red
10% blonde hair
30% medium to light brown hair.
10% black hair

Ireland:

26% type I pinkish+freckled,50% type II fair,19,6% type III tanned,3,5% type IV dark

Southern Germany-Austria-Swizterland

2% type I,12% type III,78% type III,8% type IV.
I've been in southern Germany and Ireland, and Irish are a lot lighter.

England:

Medium brown haired: 50%
Blonde haired: 25%
Dark brown haired: 20 - 22%
Red hair: 3%
Black hair: 1%

Light-mixed eyes (incl. green): 45%
Medium eyes (hazel): 20%
Blue eyes: 20%
Dark eyes (incl. brown): 15%


Scotland:

Medium brown haired: 40%
Dark brown haired: 35%
Blonde haired: 20%
Red haired: 5%
Black haired: 0.5 - 1%

Medium eyes (hazel): 32%
Light-mixed eyes (incl. green): 30 - 31%
Dark eyes (incl. brown): 22 %
Blue eyes: 15%

Wales:

Dark brown hair: 55%
Medium brown haired: 25 - 30%
Black hair: 10 - 15%
Blonde hair: 5%
Red hair: 2% pure red
Reddish brown: 5%

Dark eyes (incl. brown): 40
Medium eyes (hazel): 40%
Light-mixed eyes (incl. green): 15%
Blue eyes: 5%

In England very dark haired individuals rather stick out, and there are a lots of very light blond types (at least 25%) similar to Ronald Koeman,Paul Bettany or Oliver Khan.

Smeagol
10-26-2013, 09:02 PM
Im talking about physical appearance, the people posted on videos dont look at all like Scandinavians dutch or germans, despite what hair color they have.

Its easy to tell apart brits from other nationalities (except the Irish), you clearly never left your hometown if you believe brits look anything like germans, dutch or scandinavians. I've already shown enough evidence which cannot be downplayed.

So why would they look like people they aren't genetically close too.
Yeah, you can post your pictures, and I could post pictures of just blonde British, the point is, they are Germanic, at least the English are.
You also have the wrong idea about what Germans, Dutch, and Scandinavians look like. They are not all blonde, in fact, the majority of Germans, and Dutch are light brown haired, and Scandinavia, about half of the population is blonde. In skin, and eye colour, the British ae closest to the Germanic nations as well.

Übermensch
10-26-2013, 09:05 PM
Only Wales is atlantid influenced, Ireland,Scotland and England are very nordic.

Bloody
10-26-2013, 09:10 PM
Irish people

15% golden blond-strawberry blond hair (similar to mine)

Southern Germany-Austria-Switzerland

50% dark brown
10% blonde hair




England:

Medium brown haired: 50%
Blonde haired: 25%
Dark brown haired: 20 - 22%
Red hair: 3%
Black hair: 1%


Scotland:

Medium brown haired: 40%
Dark brown haired: 35%
Blonde haired: 20%
Red haired: 5%
Black haired: 0.5 - 1%






In England very dark haired individuals rather stick out, and there are a lots of very light blond types (at least 25%) similar to Ronald Koeman,Paul Bettany or Oliver Khan.



People like Paul bettany or koeman are in the single digist in england. Most of your blonde english are dark blonde and even those arent that much as 25%.

Southern Germany 10% of blonde hair and 50% of dark brown hair, explain this ..

Freiburg students among the darkest areas in germany.. Compare them with the Irish and Scottish pictures I shown you..

http://img.welt.de/img/stuttgart/crop102032341/9598728387-ci3x2l-w620/mst-stuttgart-20110616-DW-Sonstiges-Freiburg.jpg

http://fudder.de/fileadmin/media/user/marc/images/2009-0205/studenten.jpg

http://www.abendblatt.de/img/norddeutschland/crop105631795/1938728296-ci3x2l-w620/hoersaal-ueberfuellt-HA-Wirtschaft-Freiburg.jpg

Bloody
10-26-2013, 09:11 PM
So why would they look like people they aren't genetically close too.
Yeah, you can post your pictures, and I could post pictures of just blonde British, the point is, they are Germanic, at least the English are.
You also have the wrong idea about what Germans, Dutch, and Scandinavians look like. They are not all blonde, in fact, the majority of Germans, and Dutch are light brown haired, and Scandinavia, about half of the population is blonde. In skin, and eye colour, the British ae closest to the Germanic nations as well.

That they are closer to skin color to scandinavian dont make them germanics. THere are tons of czech who are more stereotypically nordic than your brits, does it make czech people germanic or scandinavian?

Cleitus
10-26-2013, 09:12 PM
Only Wales is atlantid influenced, Ireland,Scotland and England are very nordic.
No :picard1:

MINARDOWICZ
10-26-2013, 09:12 PM
Best example known to mankind is Rowan Atkinson.

Jackson
10-26-2013, 09:13 PM
Im talking about physical appearance, the people posted on videos dont look at all like Scandinavians dutch or germans, despite what hair color they have.

Its easy to tell apart brits from other nationalities (except the Irish), you clearly never left your hometown if you believe brits look anything like germans, dutch or scandinavians. I've already shown enough evidence which cannot be downplayed.

Well German/Dutch/Danish ancestry is on average dominant in the core of England, and well represented in many other areas of the Isles. Also England, southern Scotland is saturated with R1b-U106, which in almost all cases seems to be related to the spread of Germanic languages. As for example in Switzerland where it is common in the German speaking Swiss, but barely present at all in the nearby French-speaking Swiss. The same can be said of the ethnic French/German border, and also between Celtic and Germanic areas of the British Isles (although the borders have softened a bit now, as the whole of the British Isles is predominantly Germanic speaking. In other words, wherever German languages go along with the people speaking them in great numbers, U106 follows the same patterns.

I personally think on this map that Wales should be a light pink colour like the eastern half of Ireland, but the maker of the map decided there wasn't enough reliable information on it when he made it (small sample size):

http://www.disnorge.no/cms/system/files/offentlige_filer/Haplogroup-R1b-U106%20Eupedia.gif

And then there's this that deals with autosomal ancestry. The British Isles as a whole is grouped with other Germanic areas, which basically split into West Germanic speaking areas (or rather old low German areas, roughly), North Germanic speaking areas, and areas now considered as Anglicized Celtic areas:

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/Brodir93/jtestgedmatchclusterana1.png

Bloody
10-26-2013, 09:13 PM
Only Wales is atlantid influenced, Ireland,Scotland and England are very nordic.

Then you have never been to the UK, because even england is full of atlantid types , everywhere you go atlantid influenced phenotypes are in the majority (about 70%), and atlantid phenotype alone is as much as 35%. England is far from being very nordic, let alone scotland, Ireland or wales.

ANd you lied about being blond, you are reddish brown hair, you claimed to be nordic on past which makes all your statements unvalid, plus you are only 16 years old, such a young troll who hasnt lived a thing.

Smeagol
10-26-2013, 09:14 PM
That they are closer to skin color to scandinavian dont make them germanics. THere are tons of czech who are more stereotypically nordic than your brits, does it make czech people germanic or scandinavian?

What makes the English Germanic are the facts that they speak a Germanic language, cluster genetically with their fellow Germanics, and look closer to them than anything else.

Bloody
10-26-2013, 09:14 PM
No :picard1:

You cant argue with me, I can post even videos of people in yorkshire with tons of natives being of atlantid phenotype, let alone atlantid influenced. People heavily understimate the atlantid component in the UK outside wales.

Übermensch
10-26-2013, 09:15 PM
http://qphys.uni-saarland.de/images/uploads/group/2010_november.jpg

Germans from Saarland (southern Germany) they are mostly dark haired, and clearly more tanned than the brits, with less nordic facial features.
English are mostly keltic,halstatt and borreby-bruenn, Irish and Scottish north atlantid,keltic and Bruenn, welsh mostly north atlantid+keltic.

Bloody
10-26-2013, 09:16 PM
What makes the English Germanic are the facts that they speak a Germanic language, cluster genetically with their fellow Germanics, and look closer to them than anything else.

I agree with the first two. But its isnt about the look, Czech people on average look closer to germans and even dutch and scandinavians than Brits do. British and Irish people just look British/Irish and like nobody else, anybody who has been to the UK can easily notice that thing.

Cleitus
10-26-2013, 09:16 PM
You cant argue with me, I can post even videos of people in yorkshire with tons of natives being of atlantid phenotype, let alone atlantid influenced. People heavily understimate the atlantid component in the UK outside wales.
wohoooo no please dont do that !!!!

Graham
10-26-2013, 09:17 PM
Bloody, Robert means mainly South East Scotland, you are posting more Catholic Scots Or Glaswegians on the West. Btw I would say is is better representative than your videos( decent still)..
It is where I am. My old High School is on it. :) You get our local accent too. hehe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t5kUFbwTMQ

Smeagol
10-26-2013, 09:19 PM
I agree with the first two. But its isnt about the look, Czech people on average look closer to germans and even dutch and scandinavians than Brits do. British and Irish people just look British/Irish and like nobody else, anybody who has been to the UK can easily notice that thing.

Austrians, and south Germans don't look very stereotypically Germanic, most of them are brown haired like the British, and they actually have a lower percentage of blue eyes. But would anyone question them being Germanic?

Übermensch
10-26-2013, 09:20 PM
I live in the southern part of Italy and i conclude that very dark hair that is common here, is very atypical in England (20-22% only), italians in England-Ireland stick out because of their rather tan skin and dark hair mostly,no matter if they are from the south or the north, medium brown hair is still considered blond in Italy, i can conclude English are very fair haired.
I myself rather stick out among crouds in my city because of my light hair and skin, you can't even compare British with Italians in terms of pigmentation.

Bloody
10-26-2013, 09:20 PM
http://qphys.uni-saarland.de/images/uploads/group/2010_november.jpg

They dont look med, mostly cm
Germans from Saarland (southern Germany) they are mostly dark haired, and clearly more tanned than the brits, with less nordic facial features.
English are mostly keltic,halstatt and borreby-bruenn, Irish and Scottish north atlantid,keltic and Bruenn, welsh mostly north atlantid+keltic.

English are mostly atlanto brunns and atlantid.

http://d.yimg.com/i/ng/sp/empics/20110122/16/2746302678-22012011160058.jpg

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2009/5/24/1243185085127/Dejected-Newcastle-fans-001.jpg

I dont see all your hallstatt and keltic people..



Students from Saarland, look how med they look like..

http://www.sol.de/storage/pic/home/titelseite/aufmacherfotos/1899457_1_studenten1.jpg?version=1314337795

GErmans can vary on hair color, and even in the southern and darkest areas there are like 30% of the population with blond hair, and most people look central/northern european range of various mixtures of CM (mainly faelid and borreby) and Nordic phenotype, along with alpinized nordids (subnordics).

In the Uk even in the fairest areas atlantids are everywhere. WHen It comes to hair blondism It isnt even close, Britain is much darker than germany, we could discuss skin and eye color, but hair color? Its pointless.

Übermensch
10-26-2013, 09:24 PM
The English have a similar colouring to Dutch and Northwestern German people but darker than Scandinavians in terms of hair colour.

Jackson
10-26-2013, 09:24 PM
English are mostly atlanto brunns and atlantid.

http://d.yimg.com/i/ng/sp/empics/20110122/16/2746302678-22012011160058.jpg

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2009/5/24/1243185085127/Dejected-Newcastle-fans-001.jpg




I dont see all your hallstatt and keltic people..

That's because you choose not to post them... :P

Bloody
10-26-2013, 09:27 PM
Bloody, Robert means mainly South East Scotland, you are posting more Catholic Scots Or Glaswegians on the West. Btw I would say is is better representative than your videos( decent still)..
It is where I am. My old High School is on it. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t5kUFbwTMQ

Yes South-east scotland and North-east england are the least atlantid places in the UK, however most of the UK and even most of england and scotland cant be representative for small areas.

What do you think about Nihilist? he claims the english are very nordic and that atlantids are very rare outside wales. He said 1/4 brits have the same blondism as ronald koeman and paul bettany , what do you think about that?

I'm not saying the Uk is southern europe, not in the least, but they are not what I have in mind as very nordic unlike places such as Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands, Northern Germany, etc.

Übermensch
10-26-2013, 09:28 PM
The English have a similar colouring to Dutch and Northwestern German people but darker than Scandinavians in terms of hair colour.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02277/population-crowd-1_2277864c.jpg english crowd

http://www.irishtimes.com/polopoly_fs/1.1537617.1379965308!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_940/image.jpg Irish Crowd

Where is the swartziness?

Bloody
10-26-2013, 09:30 PM
That's because you choose not to post them... :P

Well the fact I can find overwhelm dominated atlantid pictures of places even such as central england means they are not the vast majority unlike nihilist claims.
What do you think about the claim of nihilist about atlantids being rare outside wales? He said the English are very nordic, on the other hand I've hardly seen very nordic British people, they are rather pale stiking dark to mixed hair color and medium-light eyes, neither their pigmentation or facial features are very nordic as a whole. I'm sure as much as you could disagree with me in the dept of your thought you know Im way closer to the truth than guys like nihilist with pretty wrong ideas of the reality.

Jackson
10-26-2013, 09:31 PM
I'd stick to what i said before in that in terms of pigmentation we sit between Belgium and the Netherlands, and that our proportion of light eyes to dark hair is a bit greater than in many areas on the continent.

Übermensch
10-26-2013, 09:35 PM
Doesn't this typical Irish guy has very nordic features (UP-Bruenn):

http://www.badtaste.it/sites/default/files/images/varie/2012-2/Brendan_Gleeson%201.jpg

Compare with an iberian atlantomed type:

http://www.sscnews.it/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Alonso.jpg

Graham
10-26-2013, 09:37 PM
I can't speak for Nihilist, or England well. The Scots are mainly a mix of Brunn with some Keltic Nordid. Ranging from different shades of brown hair. Both Atlantid And Nordid aren't the most common type. But still an ok amount.



Looking at the English. The South East, It is blonder, perhaps closer to the Benelux region.

The Welsh are quite Robust on average, more so than Atlantid.

Still, you can find anyone type, is shared by all regions. But of different amounts.

Bloody
10-26-2013, 09:38 PM
The English have a similar colouring to Dutch and Northwestern German people but darker than Scandinavians in terms of hair colour.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02277/population-crowd-1_2277864c.jpg english crowd

http://www.irishtimes.com/polopoly_fs/1.1537617.1379965308!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_940/image.jpg Irish Crowd

Where is the swartziness?
MOst Irish males have pretty dark hair, dont they? tons of atlantids eeverywhere.. if you cant see that then you know nothing about anthropology..

ENglish Crowd is much darker haired than Dutch or Northern German Crowd.. I cant see much natural blondes on the crowd, How many males are blond and nordic?... you clearly with 16 years old have not been anywhere but this forum..

Dutch student groups..
http://www.metronieuws.nl/_internal/gxml!0/r0dc21o2f3vste5s7ezej9x3a10rp3w$ay4ooigok0f1xhc8m5 elyk16mkicrjg/studenten-leiden.jpeg

http://www.integrand.nl/files/pages/Screen%20Shot%202012-09-27%20at%202.41.57%20PM.png

http://www.wageningenur.nl/upload_mm/7/8/d/8413dbe7-02cc-45bf-983e-616fe3e326a4_studenten_wageningen_campus_buiten_la ptop_490x330.jpg



http://semmelweis-egyetem.hu/english/files/2012/05/IMG_4345_681px.jpg



Dutch are very blond population, the english dont even come close, even east anglia isnt as blonde as netherlands or Northern germany.

Bloody
10-26-2013, 09:39 PM
Doesn't this typical Irish guy has very nordic features (UP-Bruenn):

http://www.badtaste.it/sites/default/files/images/varie/2012-2/Brendan_Gleeson%201.jpg

Compare with an iberian atlantomed type:

http://www.sscnews.it/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Alonso.jpg


The Irish guy is reduced brunn , aka alpinized brunn, typical wayne rooney variation.. nordic about him? nothing.

Übermensch
10-26-2013, 09:41 PM
The Irish guy is reduced brunn , aka alpinized brunn, typical wayne rooney variation.. nordic about him? nothing.

He is not reduced at all, he has an huge bigonial and byzigomatic, he could easly pass as Scandinavian.

Bloody
10-26-2013, 09:44 PM
He is not reduced at all, he has an huge bigonial and byzigomatic, he could easly pass as Scandinavian.

HE doesnt, he looks stereotypical Irish, If you think he looks scandinavian is because you never seen any scandinavian. He could bear in mind as Irish or maybe British but not anywhere else.

Übermensch
10-26-2013, 09:45 PM
HE doesnt, he looks stereotypical Irish, If you think he looks scandinavian is because you never seen any scandinavian. He could bear in mind as Irish or maybe British but not anywhere else.

Scandinavians are very CM people.

Jackson
10-26-2013, 09:45 PM
Well the fact I can find overwhelm dominated atlantid pictures of places even such as central england means they are not the vast majority unlike nihilist claims.
What do you think about the claim of nihilist about atlantids being rare outside wales? He said the English are very nordic, on the other hand I've hardly seen very nordic British people, they are rather pale stiking dark to mixed hair color and medium-light eyes, neither their pigmentation or facial features are very nordic as a whole. I'm sure as much as you could disagree with me in the dept of your thought you know Im way closer to the truth than guys like nihilist with pretty wrong ideas of the reality.

I do not think the nihilist is entirely correct, but he is closer to the mark than you are. Certainly atlantid types are not rare outside Wales, but they are not the majority. They are also present on the continent as well. I find physical anthropology to be a bit vague at times, because the typology can be very broad. If you picked a person at random from the British Isles, they would most likely have fair skin, light or light-mixed eyes and some form of brown hair. You can find plenty of darker and lighter types as well. In terms of typology, the individual variation between people and even people in the same family can be quite big.

I mean you keep banging on about the nihilist being young, and lying about his hair colour. But then i come to wonder whether a guy from Chile who says he is from America, identifies as both Ancient and Celtic and has a strange obsession with Atlantids has an ulterior motive too - One could speculate?

Übermensch
10-26-2013, 09:48 PM
I mean you keep banging on about the nihilist being young, and lying about his hair colour.

I am not lying, just people in Italy call me blond we don't make a lot of distinction between red and blond hair as they are both rare in Italy, in Scandinavia i guess is light brown, but a friend of mine told me that swedes have usually darker hair than i do.
Actually my shade looks similar under sunlight or artifcial light to Khan and Koeman's ones, maybe a bit darker, but i don't think much so.

Bloody
10-26-2013, 09:55 PM
I do not think the nihilist is entirely correct, but he is closer to the mark than you are. Certainly atlantid types are not rare outside Wales, but they are not the majority. They are also present on the continent as well. I find physical anthropology to be a bit vague at times, because the typology can be very broad. If you picked a person at random from the British Isles, they would most likely have fair skin, light or light-mixed eyes and some form of brown hair. You can find plenty of darker and lighter types as well. In terms of typology, the individual variation between people and even people in the same family can be quite big.

I mean you keep banging on about the nihilist being young, and lying about his hair colour. But then i come to wonder whether a guy from Chile who says he is from America, identifies as both Ancient and Celtic and has a strange obsession with Atlantids has an ulterior motive too - One could speculate?

Im of welsh and spanish (basque) heritage, Welsh people arrived all over south america, specially in the south end of the southern cone. I've been many times in the UK, probably many more times than the nihilist have (I really doubt nihilist even been to britain because he claims things which are extremely wrong). Why should I believe the British are textbox nordic people when they are not? I do not have to believe in what typology books say because I know very well the British people myself to see that they are not a particularly germanic group, not even the English people who dream about being germans. Atlantids are by far the majority everywhere in the Islands, at least that is what I have seen all the times I've been there.

Bloody
10-26-2013, 09:59 PM
I am not lying, just people in Italy call me blond we don't make a lot of distinction between red and blond hair as they are both rare in Italy, in Scandinavia i guess is light brown, but a friend of mine told me that swedes have usually darker hair than i do.
Actually my shade looks similar under sunlight or artifcial light to Khan and Koeman's ones, maybe a bit darker, but i don't think much so.

You sent me pictures of yourself, and your hair is nowhere that hair color, not even close. You are just being delusional.

Übermensch
10-26-2013, 10:00 PM
You sent me pictures of yourself, and your hair is nowhere that hair color, not even close. You are just being delusional.

It depends heavly from the lighting just look at my avatar.

Bloody
10-26-2013, 10:01 PM
It depends heavly from the lighting.

Well those guys appear very blond even on low light, your hair looks more brown on low light.

Übermensch
10-26-2013, 10:04 PM
Well those guys appear very blond even on low light, your hair looks more brown on low light.

Actually only the girls have this type of hair (most likely to be bleached) in the photo you posted.

Grace O'Malley
10-27-2013, 06:53 AM
I am not lying, just people in Italy call me blond we don't make a lot of distinction between red and blond hair as they are both rare in Italy, in Scandinavia i guess is light brown, but a friend of mine told me that swedes have usually darker hair than i do.
Actually my shade looks similar under sunlight or artifcial light to Khan and Koeman's ones, maybe a bit darker, but i don't think much so.

Your hair is fair in any country.

Grace O'Malley
10-27-2013, 07:02 AM
I think a lot of the men in Ireland are brunns. Are these guys brunns as they are fairly common?

http://www.gaa.ie/content/images/news/tyrone/McKenna_Burns_tyrone_minor_glory2013.jpg

Smeagol
10-27-2013, 07:06 AM
I think a lot of the men in Ireland are brunns. Are these guys brunns as they are fairly common?

http://www.gaa.ie/content/images/news/tyrone/McKenna_Burns_tyrone_minor_glory2013.jpg

Yeah, the guy on the left could have a slight Keltic influence. I think Brunn is the predominant racial element in Ireland.

Grace O'Malley
10-27-2013, 07:07 AM
Yeah, the guy on the left could have a slight Keltic influence. I think Brunn is the predominant racial element in Ireland.

Thanks Horatio. Yes brunn is fairly common in the men.

Smaug
10-27-2013, 01:48 PM
Im of welsh and spanish (basque) heritage, Welsh people arrived all over south america, specially in the south end of the southern cone. I've been many times in the UK, probably many more times than the nihilist have (I really doubt nihilist even been to britain because he claims things which are extremely wrong). Why should I believe the British are textbox nordic people when they are not? I do not have to believe in what typology books say because I know very well the British people myself to see that they are not a particularly germanic group, not even the English people who dream about being germans. Atlantids are by far the majority everywhere in the Islands, at least that is what I have seen all the times I've been there.

Are you Argentinian of Welsh origin (Chubut)?

Smaug
10-27-2013, 01:50 PM
Bloody, Robert means mainly South East Scotland, you are posting more Catholic Scots Or Glaswegians on the West. Btw I would say is is better representative than your videos( decent still)..
It is where I am. My old High School is on it. :) You get our local accent too. hehe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t5kUFbwTMQ

Is there a difference in looks between Catholic and Protestant Scots? If so, what?

Bloody
10-27-2013, 01:52 PM
Are you Argentinian of Welsh origin (Chubut)?

Yes I was born there and my lastname is one of the most common ones in wales.

Are you partially welsh too?

Bloody
10-27-2013, 01:54 PM
Is there a difference in looks between Catholic and Protestant Scots? If so, what?


Does religion affect that much phenotype? Its really new to me :P.
I never bought that thing of the dark catholics and fair protestants when It comes about contrasting the population of an specific country. It sounds more like a reason to contribute separatism.

Graham
10-27-2013, 02:03 PM
I find it hard to tell. But Catholics in Scotland, means Irish migrant origin. Unless you are a MacNeil up in Barra.

Smaug
10-27-2013, 02:11 PM
Yes I was born there and my lastname is one of the most common ones in wales.

Are you partially welsh too?

Yes, I am, from South Wales. South Brazil received some Welsh immigration, but less than Argentina. I also have ancestry from other parts of Britain though.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?69385-Immigration-to-Brazil&p=1365874&viewfull=1#post1365874

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?99211-Uhtred-s-Welsh-Course

Tooting Carmen
10-27-2013, 02:19 PM
Check out these threads I made http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?98808-Ethnic-English-football-players http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?99345-Members-of-the-London-Assembly http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?99363-Classify-these-various-blond-Welshmen

Bloody
10-27-2013, 02:19 PM
Yes, I am, from South Wales. South Brazil received some Welsh immigration, but less than Argentina. I also have ancestry from other parts of Britain though.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?69385-Immigration-to-Brazil&p=1365874&viewfull=1#post1365874

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?99211-Uhtred-s-Welsh-Course


What specific part? I know Rio grande has a lot of german, italian and obviously portuguese, The same for santa catarina.

Bloody
10-27-2013, 02:21 PM
I find it hard to tell. But Catholics in Scotland, means Irish migrant origin. Unless you are a MacNeil up in Barra.

That makes sense. Are lowlanders generally portrayed as fairer looking than Scottish Highlanders? I guess catholic pretty much means Irish input(at least more often than not) all over the Isles.

Grace O'Malley
10-27-2013, 02:30 PM
That makes sense. Are lowlanders generally portrayed as fairer looking than Scottish Highlanders? I guess catholic pretty much means Irish input(at least more often than not) all over the Isles.

No Catholic doesn't necessarily have to be Irish. My cousin married into an English Catholic family and they had no Irish ancestry only English. A lot of Catholics did come from Ireland but not every British Catholic is of Irish descent.

Graham
10-27-2013, 02:48 PM
No Catholic doesn't necessarily have to be Irish. My cousin married into an English Catholic family and they had no Irish ancestry only English. A lot of Catholics did come from Ireland but not every British Catholic is of Irish descent.

The overall majority are though. Of some Irish connection. Plenty of Catholics married Protestants. So of various amounts.

Find it hard to believe if an English Catholic family had no Irish link, if not Italian. Unless they recently converted.

The country pretty much abolished the religion. At least here we had Highland & Island Catholics moving into the Central belt & Canada. That is a very small amount now.

Smaug
10-27-2013, 02:59 PM
What specific part? I know Rio grande has a lot of german, italian and obviously portuguese, The same for santa catarina.

Welsh (and other Brits) are concentrated in Northern, Eastern and Southern São Paulo, Northern Paraná and Northern Rio Grande do Sul. But we are a minority. Most os São Paulo is Italian, Rio Grande do Sul and Santa Catarina are German with some Italian and Paraná is Polish. Portuguese of course are found all over the four states.

Smaug
10-27-2013, 03:06 PM
The overall majority are though. Of some Irish connection. Plenty of Catholics married Protestants. So of various amounts.

Find it hard to believe if an English Catholic family had no Irish link, if not Italian. Unless they recently converted.

The country pretty much abolished the religion. At least here we had Highland & Island Catholics moving into the Central belt & Canada. That is a very small amount now.

It could be, even though the Italian input was not as strong as the Itish. If I recall correctly, there are two English members of Italian descent: Jackson, and a less famous one.

Grace O'Malley
10-27-2013, 03:09 PM
The overall majority are though. Of some Irish connection. Plenty of Catholics married Protestants. So of various amounts.

Find it hard to believe if an English Catholic family had no Irish link, if not Italian. Unless they recently converted.

The country pretty much abolished the religion. At least here we had Highland & Island Catholics moving into the Central belt & Canada. That is a very small amount now.

No they definitely have no Italian and only English ancestry and look it as well. They have been Catholic for generations.

Grace O'Malley
10-27-2013, 03:15 PM
Here's a prominent English family that have remained Catholic. Despite what people think there are English Catholics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_family

Smaug
10-27-2013, 03:18 PM
No they definitely have no Italian and only English ancestry and look it as well. They have been Catholic for generations.

I think you can find Catholic Brits with no Irish ancestry. My family is Catholic and we have no Irish ancestry as far as we know, even though some claim I look Irish. We have some Scots origin, so maybe that's it.

Jackson
11-09-2013, 03:20 PM
Found this on one of the threads about Russians here, i can't verify the source. In this case light hair in Germany varies from 23% in Bamberg in Bavaria, to 65.4% in Dithmarschen in Schleswig-Holstein. In north-NW Germany as a whole dark hair is 44% and light hair 56%, and dark eyes 27% and light eyes 73%. And in Bavaria dark hair is 71%, light hair 29%, dark eyes 55% and light eyes 45%. Obviously the idea of what constitutes dark pigmentation or light pigmentation can vary quite a lot. Posted this as people were talking a lot about Germans on this thread, and i came across this by chance today on one of the threads here.

http://image.openlan.ru/images/61923735548646063494.jpg

Tooting Carmen
11-09-2013, 03:21 PM
A new, partly-related thread. How many look swarthy as such? http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?101249-UK-Government-Ministers

Žołnir
11-09-2013, 03:54 PM
Tbh Kate Middleton isn't swarthy. Yes she has brown hair but her skin isn't swarthy at all. On lots of pictures she looks swarthy cuz its quite obvious she uses lots of powder and possbly attends sunbeds or she's sun bathing alot. Which makes her ugly tbh. On other hand when with natural skin she looks hawt; :D


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Rafe
11-30-2013, 01:12 PM
This is based on just 3 alleles among thousands that determine pigmentation. The map was put together by some guy who is a Eurogenes participant.

The first map is not from Eurogenes; it's from this study (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21813346) - hundreds of samples were analyzed with pictures of their eye colors.

Germaniac
06-06-2014, 12:58 AM
Been told I can pass for a Brit, specially welsh, by some British people I know. What do you think?

Catkin
06-06-2014, 01:02 AM
Been told I can pass for a Brit, specially welsh, by some British people I know. What do you think?

Possibly, but you wouldn't be swarthy. You're not dark enough in eyes, hair or skin judging from that photo.

Graham
06-07-2014, 03:39 PM
Your face shape looks more English if anything. If anywhere on Isles. Not including colouring.

Septentrion
09-19-2014, 01:40 AM
You are not knowledgeable, and on top of it you are a Turk. The Brits are the whitest people on the face of the earth.

Isleño
09-19-2014, 02:11 AM
I suspect that dihydroxyacetone has a role to play in some examples of swarthiness, but we do have an Altantid strain, as you know, and these people would tend to come from the West of England, where there are swathes of swarthiness.

The English tourists that you are probably used to (with the twangy accents and glottal stops) probably come from the South-East of England, where darker complexions are less common.

The South-East of England is where England's material wealth is more highly concentrated and easily accessible, and it has been noted that the local people from these regions sometimes like to travel to Spain, misbehave and get drunk in the heat, and give themselves sunburn. :picard1:
Yes it seems the stereotypical Englishman is a Londoner (well a traditional Londoner, I know now London is majority non-white) so it would seem the stereotype would not be the swarthier ones. And you are right about the darker types mainly being in the west. Makes sense since that's where the original Basque-related Brits settled after the Scandos and Germanics pushed them to the western fringes and took over Eastern Great Britain.

MINARDOWICZ
09-19-2014, 02:46 AM
Been told I can pass for a Brit, specially welsh, by some British people I know. What do you think?

A few have told me I can but I do not see it at all. LOL! I'd pass as a SUPER atypical one. I'm not that exotic, but definitely exotic for the Isles.

fuxxer
03-25-2015, 12:10 AM
A few Swarthy Scots

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/7471/010273707144700.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/6/010273707144700.jpg/)

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/1087/realitytvcbb2013sam2.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/442/realitytvcbb2013sam2.jpg/)

http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/9695/47537831jex643492de281.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/585/47537831jex643492de281.jpg/)

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/4779/58491212kennedymaryann6.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/651/58491212kennedymaryann6.jpg/)

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/3352/47525638alexyoungbbc.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/441/47525638alexyoungbbc.jpg/)

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/3017/105b12921379fe6d9c6b937.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/832/105b12921379fe6d9c6b937.jpg/)

you fucking serious? all of these people have white skin, and the second guy is pale as fuck, you need to get your eyes checked this is not swarthy

fuxxer
03-25-2015, 12:13 AM
Yes it seems the stereotypical Englishman is a Londoner (well a traditional Londoner, I know now London is majority non-white) so it would seem the stereotype would not be the swarthier ones. And you are right about the darker types mainly being in the west. Makes sense since that's where the original Basque-related Brits settled after the Scandos and Germanics pushed them to the western fringes and took over Eastern Great Britain.

And so you think all basques are swarthy? i have never seen a swarthy basque....

Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik
03-25-2015, 12:14 AM
For some reason many full-blooded Brits tend to look just like the guy in my pic. I wonder why this is?????

Cristiano viejo
03-25-2015, 12:35 AM
For some reason many full-blooded Brits tend to look just like the guy in my pic. I wonder why this is?????

Why not?

Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik
03-25-2015, 12:43 AM
Why not?

What do you mean? English are suppose to be Germanic/Celtic or perhaps as Oppenheimer suggests Basques. They aren't suppose to look so swarthy, so it confuses me.

Longbowman
03-25-2015, 04:23 AM
And so you think all basques are swarthy? i have never seen a swarthy basque....

My basque teacher is pretty light, but the videos he show us do show a quite MENA-looking set of phenotypes, in general.

Grace O'Malley
03-25-2015, 05:32 AM
For some reason many full-blooded Brits tend to look just like the guy in my pic. I wonder why this is?????

The Brits you see must look completely different than the Brits I see. :) That man is Jewish and doesn't look British.

SwampThing26
03-25-2015, 05:45 AM
What do you mean? English are suppose to be Germanic/Celtic or perhaps as Oppenheimer suggests Basques. They aren't suppose to look so swarthy, so it confuses me.

Nah

Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik
03-25-2015, 03:18 PM
The Brits you see must look completely different than the Brits I see. :) That man is Jewish and doesn't look British.

Well the guy in my pic now is 100% English with nothing but English last names in his family history going all the way back to Charlemagne. Yet he looks Jewish to me. Anyways, my good friend Longbowman already explained to me why this happens. It's because of Neolithic admixture that Swedes, Anglos, Danes and Germans tend to look Semitic sometimes, even if they have no Semitic blood in them, it's because these Europeans still possess a good amount of Neolithic blood.

Cristiano viejo
03-25-2015, 03:50 PM
What do you mean? English are suppose to be Germanic/Celtic or perhaps as Oppenheimer suggests Basques. They aren't suppose to look so swarthy, so it confuses me.

For me swarthy means "dark skinned", "hairy" etc, not just being dark haired or dark eyed.
Celts were dark haired according Strabo, many Germanics are dark haired. So I dont believe in a theory about being a dark British means to have extra-European input.

Longbowman
03-25-2015, 04:05 PM
For me swarthy means "dark skinned", "hairy" etc, not just being dark haired or dark eyed.
Celts were dark haired according Strabo, many Germanics are dark haired. So I dont believe in a theory about being a dark British means to have extra-European input.

Para nosotros tambien, el uso de aquella palabra en los antroforos es algo removido de su uso en la vida cuotidiana.

La reina su majestad Elizabeth no se considera swarthy pero tiene (pues, tenía) el pelo negro.

Grace O'Malley
03-25-2015, 04:11 PM
Well the guy in my pic now is 100% English with nothing but English last names in his family history going all the way back to Charlemagne. Yet he looks Jewish to me. Anyways, my good friend Longbowman already explained to me why this happens. It's because of Neolithic admixture that Swedes, Anglos, Danes and Germans tend to look Semitic sometimes, even if they have no Semitic blood in them, it's because these Europeans still possess a good amount of Neolithic blood.

Rowan Atkinson is British so he can be used as an example but people can't just use unusual examples to prove a point. If I am trying to show what a population looks like I post crowd photos or pictures with multiple people. Every population has unusual types. Rowan Atkinson is kind of odd looking and that's why he's such a successful comedian. He has a rubbery face. There are Irish that look a bit exotic but they are "exotic" and not what the "average" looks like. I don't think actors, models etc are good representation of what the average Joe in the street looks like. Use the people walking down the street or attending a sports event to show what a population looks like, just normal people.

Grace O'Malley
03-25-2015, 04:15 PM
For me swarthy means "dark skinned", "hairy" etc, not just being dark haired or dark eyed.
Celts were dark haired according Strabo, many Germanics are dark haired. So I dont believe in a theory about being a dark British means to have extra-European input.

I think Celts were varied and I don't think they would have been particularly dark but I agree with you that having dark hair and eyes doesn't mean extra-European input. Swarthy to me includes having darker skin. Someone like Andrea Corr is brunette but not swarthy to me.

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQt7WjBrhWJ8_8LJi5stpd54KPHrB2QB AuoHvszEu7nJRQW-zIK

LightHouse89
03-25-2015, 04:37 PM
For some reason many full-blooded Brits tend to look just like the guy in my pic. I wonder why this is?????

:rolleyes:

Lusos
03-25-2015, 04:40 PM
A few Brits work colleagues of mine.

3 In the middle.
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https://scontent-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/10968379_10152557639763204_2359081302452901390_n.j pg?oh=2c838dce4edb665b0ba658927f5e4991&oe=55A54F44

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/10857921_10152844752007620_1415368153224691794_n.j pg?oh=96d89eba8e0542019369022b4d808e91&oe=55A90ACA&__gda__=1437153987_e1ca388b17459d5bc9e4d4132afb2fe a

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/t31.0-8/1495257_10152548376788546_4012839722295644486_o.jp g

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https://scontent-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/15881_10153627872644638_4282369598214978781_n.jpg? oh=3d73e9260883b447e1dbbd6112e67852&oe=55B47269

Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik
03-25-2015, 04:42 PM
:rolleyes:

Atkinson is 100% white British though with no Jewish ancestors.

SwampThing26
03-26-2015, 03:54 PM
These are just white people with dark hair/eyes....

Longbowman
03-26-2015, 04:12 PM
Her Majesty as a young 'swarthy' woman. Disrespect will get thumbs down:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/12/03/article-2517349-19CD95C200000578-407_470x698.jpg

Obviously 'having black hair and/or dark eyes' does not make you 'swarthy.' It's really purely a skin thing.

Dictator
03-26-2015, 04:20 PM
Her Majesty as a young 'swarthy' woman. Disrespect will get thumbs down:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/12/03/article-2517349-19CD95C200000578-407_470x698.jpg

Obviously 'having black hair and/or dark eyes' does not make you 'swarthy.' It's really purely a skin thing.

10/10 would bow

Septentrion
06-23-2015, 08:59 PM
No, stop being a fool. For the San people, it's the Namib Desert not Sahara. A good sense of geography helps!!!

♥ Lily ♥
06-23-2015, 09:54 PM
A few Brits work colleagues of mine.

3 In the middle.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/t31.0-8/10397158_10152469373118236_867908847219838667_o.jp g

Obvious fake tans. I saw no child with that skin colour in my schools as a child amongst the native people, it's fake tan.

♥ Lily ♥
06-23-2015, 09:56 PM
Her Majesty as a young 'swarthy' woman. Disrespect will get thumbs down:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/12/03/article-2517349-19CD95C200000578-407_470x698.jpg

Obviously 'having black hair and/or dark eyes' does not make you 'swarthy.' It's really purely a skin thing.

Her hair was dark brown, not black, and Queen Elizabeth's eyes are blue.

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=JN.Kpg5qiYw0%2bLYD6FWLbj16Q&pid=15.1&P=0

Gooding
06-23-2015, 09:57 PM
Her Majesty as a young 'swarthy' woman. Disrespect will get thumbs down:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/12/03/article-2517349-19CD95C200000578-407_470x698.jpg

Obviously 'having black hair and/or dark eyes' does not make you 'swarthy.' It's really purely a skin thing.

Her Majesty was definitely hot in those days. She's quite regal now, of course..

Longbowman
06-23-2015, 10:02 PM
Her hair was dark brown, not black, and Queen Elizabeth's eyes are blue.

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=JN.Kpg5qiYw0%2bLYD6FWLbj16Q&pid=15.1&P=0

Her hair was 'black' in the sense European hair can be black (ie: her hair was as black as hair can be, despite the fact that technically 'black' hair is brown) and I know her eyes are blue, that's not the point.

Septentrion
06-23-2015, 11:52 PM
That they are closer to skin color to scandinavian dont make them germanics. THere are tons of czech who are more stereotypically nordic than your brits, does it make czech people germanic or scandinavian?

The White Britons are on average fairer-skinned than Scandinavians, but with usually darker hair than them. Czechs, Poles, etc... are usually darker-skinned than Scandinavians! Who are trying to fool? The majority of White Britons have light/medium brown hair, a fair skin and light eyes (particularly blue). This is not the case with Czechs who vary much more, since when were the very brachycephalic Czechs Germanic?
Irish people are genetically closer to Danish and North Dutch people than Czechs for your information.

Septentrion
06-24-2015, 12:08 AM
False! I am Flemish and I know that the British and also Irish have lighter hair, lighter eyes by far, lighter skin than the Belgians. O.K.!

Septentrion
06-24-2015, 12:29 AM
I am sorry to say this, but you are full of nonsense! The British and Irish folks are a Northern European by excellence and with the Nordic type (of Keltic variety) forming the basic physical anthropology of its population, as it is with the Dutch and northern Belgians. The closest people to the British/Irish are the Dutch. The Atlantid phenotype doesn't by any means prevail anywhere in Britain (that is a lie.), though a mixed version of it (North-Atlantid) is said to be common in western Britain but is not dominant. The North-Atlantid itself, is a predominantly Nordic strain (of Keltic variety), meaning it is predominantly pale-skinned and mostly blue/green-eyed type. In Ireland, the Brunn/Bruenn type is very common, much more than the North Atlantid, it's the fairest-skinned type of Europeans. Freckling is quite high, a good indicator of fair skin, in hair color, Bruenn can vary from yellow/golden blond to dark brown and many times red as well and have light blue eyes as many people of Ireland. The English show more Borreby, Faelid types than other Brits. As a whole the British are far from being dark, only in imaginations. They are similar to other populations of northwestern Europe.

Shah-Jehan
06-24-2015, 12:35 AM
Her hair was 'black' in the sense European hair can be black (ie: her hair was as black as hair can be, despite the fact that technically 'black' hair is brown) and I know her eyes are blue, that's not the point.

That is dark brown though, I don't know about Brits but a lot of Europeans can have the actual black hair but its rare.

ÁGUIA
06-24-2015, 12:45 AM
Ben Haenow winner of the eleventh series of the XFactor UK

http://okmag-live.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/1417447497_Ben-Haenow-favurite-to-win-X-Factor-2014.jpg

Longbowman
06-24-2015, 12:52 AM
That is dark brown though, I don't know about Brits but a lot of Europeans can have the actual black hair but its rare.

surely nay

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1749934/thumbs/o-QUEEN-ELIZABETH-BLING-570.jpg?5

Definitely a 'swarthy' hair colour. Proving, of course, that hair colour doesn't determine 'swarthiness.'

Beit El
06-24-2015, 01:17 AM
Her Majesty as a young 'swarthy' woman. Disrespect will get thumbs down:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/12/03/article-2517349-19CD95C200000578-407_470x698.jpg

Obviously 'having black hair and/or dark eyes' does not make you 'swarthy.' It's really purely a skin thing.


*Disrespect*

Longbowman
06-24-2015, 01:24 AM
*Disrespect*

how could you do this to me now of all times

i trusted you

never trust an aryan

revealman
08-10-2015, 05:33 AM
original brits are swarthy, original celts came from iberia they were swarthy, bretagne = britian = bretons = celts

picts were also swarthy with dark long hair

as the normans/anglosaxon germanic tribes conquered britain they mixed with the native population and so britain got lighter

revealman
08-10-2015, 06:15 AM
It is common to relegate Celts, Picts, and other groupings as "races." To ascribe specific coloring of skin and hair and say "this is what ____ looked like." For the Picts this has usually been short and dark skinned and haired while the Celts have been noted as tall, fair and blond. However, descriptions given by classical writers of the time show that the Celts varied greatly and Tacitus noted "The reddish hair and large limbs of the Caledonians proclaim a German origin;..." while going on to describe the Silures, a southern British tribe as being dark like the Spaniards. (Tacitus' The Agricola and The Germania pg. 61). This means that centuries prior to the name Pict being given there were people in what is now Scotland who were tall and fair. As with much of Northern Europe, it seems that there is a wide variety of "racial features" and tall/short, fair/dark peoples were probably well intermingled. There may be "tendencies" in certain areas but racial identity is not an appropriate categorization for any Indo-European peoples.
http://www.dunsgathan.net/essays/picts.htm

Grace O'Malley
08-10-2015, 07:01 AM
original brits are swarthy, original celts came from iberia they were swarthy, bretagne = britian = bretons = celts

picts were also swarthy with dark long hair

as the normans/anglosaxon germanic tribes conquered britain they mixed with the native population and so britain got lighter

Not likely as they have different majority subclades of R1b. DF27 in Iberia and L21 in Britain & Ireland. Of course there are other groups of ydna such as R1a, 1 etc but the R1b subclades are different. There is also this from the recently published PoBI. The bit marked Spain is from Southern France/Northern Spain.

http://i657.photobucket.com/albums/uu295/Alchemyst/PotBI%202015%20Britain%20Map%20My%20Version_zpswv5 8tnlo.jpg

Here is what the PoBI says about Spain. "Some earlier analyses of genetic evidence from single marker systems have argued for a Spanish source for ancient British populations, particularly in the west17. We see contributions to the ancestry profiles of all the UK clusters from group SFS31 which is sampled in central France and in Spain (principally Barcelona). These contributions range from a low of 1.2% in the large cluster in central and southern England (red squares), to the three highest values ranging from 5.3% to 7.1% for the three Welsh clusters. Whilst caution is needed in interpreting the low levels of contribution from SFS31, this pattern is consistent with limited early migrations, from these areas of Europe, preferentially to the western coastal regions of the UK. Our data has limitations, in that our sampling in Spain is limited geographically, and includes very few samples from the most natural geographical source regions for Britain, namely Galicia, northern Spain, or the Basque country. If these regions did contribute substantially to British ancestry, we would expect that our approach for estimating ancestry profiles would choose the best surrogates for them in our data, which is likely to be the geographically closest of the groups in our analyses, namely SFS31. Analyses could be further complicated by possible admixture of North-African migrants with Spanish populations subsequent to any movements into the UK. Thus, while our data supports some low level of ancestry from southern France/Spain in ancient British populations it is hard to reconcile with major contributions to modern British ancestry from these regions. More extensive sampling from modern Spain could further clarify this issue."

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v519/n7543/extref/nature14230-s1.pdf

Neon Knight
08-12-2015, 10:43 PM
Calling a white-skinned person swarthy because they've got black or dark brown hair is ridiculous.

de Burgh II
08-12-2015, 10:50 PM
Pre-Celtic inhabitants of Britain?

Neon Knight
08-12-2015, 10:54 PM
Pre-Celtic inhabitants of Britain?

http://something-gold-something-new.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/iron-maiden-1984.jpg

de Burgh II
08-12-2015, 11:15 PM
http://something-gold-something-new.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/iron-maiden-1984.jpg

It raises a good question though. Before Western Europe (British Isles, France, northern Italy, Northern Spain, etc) was "Celticised" by the Celts from Central Europe that is mostly associated with Southern Germans/Bavarians and Austrians as the continental Celts; were the pre-inhabitants an aboriginal, Mesolithic Mediterrean population?

I know around this site it sounds like an oxymoron putting "Mediterranean-qualities" and "Mesolithic" in one sentence when Mediterranean genetics is more associated with Neolithic lineage, but one can't help it when you encounter something like this for Mesolithic: http://2kpcwh2r7phz1nq4jj237m22.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/HunterGatherer.jpg

http://www.amren.com/news/2014/01/hunter-gatherer-european-had-blue-eyes-and-dark-skin/

Also worth noting that Sebastien chabal seems like the epitome of an Western European Mesolithic archetype: http://s.plurielles.fr/mmdia/i/05/8/sebastien-chabal-2384058_123.jpg?v=3

Bagot
09-09-2015, 10:15 PM
Calling a white-skinned person swarthy because they've got black or dark brown hair is ridiculous.

+ 1

Profileid
01-11-2017, 07:06 PM
Is there not a thread for swarthy Germans?

Tooting Carmen
01-11-2017, 07:07 PM
Is there not a thread for swarthy Germans?

Yes there is somewhere.

Profileid
01-11-2017, 07:08 PM
Yes there is somewhere.

I considered making one, but not that much of an anthrotard.
I want to see more Brits/Germans that resemble me.

RN97
01-11-2017, 07:24 PM
I considered making one, but not that much of an anthrotard.
I want to see more Brits/Germans that resemble me.

:cool:
http://i.imgur.com/3u5aTnH.jpg

Grace O'Malley
01-11-2017, 08:00 PM
Well one of the most famous swarthy Irishmen is of course Colin Farrell. His sister would also be in this category. I think they are both gorgeous. His sister has a resemblance to Cheryl Cole.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/09/14/article-1213352-0667F5BA000005DC-151_468x625.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/11/17/article-2508970-1961446300000578-888_634x859.jpg
http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/pc/Sophia+Bush+seen+attending+Total+Recall+film+zjq7x cNqVEdl.jpg
http://static7.imagecollect.com/preview/560/df13d13c7737a50

This Irishman Aidan Turner

http://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/polopoly_fs/1.3982722.1425660084!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_630/image.jpg
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03263/poldark2_3263555b.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/608222886109802496/PwxJHtMO.png


The beautiful Andrea Corr

http://rsvpmagazine.ie/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Andrea-Corr-e1412217252916.jpg
http://celebmafia.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/andrea-corr-sharon-corr-and-caroline-corr-appeared-on-this-morning-tv-show-in-london-december-2015_17.jpg
http://www.famousbirthdays.com/headshots/andrea-corr-1.jpg

I think Andrea Corr and Aidan Turner look a bit more "mainstream Irish" than Colin's sister she has a resemblance to Cheryl Cole. Both Cheryl and Claudine (Colin's sister) are beautiful women.

I do agree with Neon Knight though just because someone has dark hair and eyes doesn't make them particularly "swarthy". All European populations have these types of people. They will cluster with their fellow countrymen whatever their pigmentation. It is silly trying to explain darker Brits and Irish as somehow different than their fellow countrymen. Colin Farrell will have the same genetics as Sheamus the Wrestler if they both have ancestors who are long term Irish. You can inherit brown eyes and dark hair from the same parents that will have a blue eyed blond child. They will both come from the same parents. It's not like the darker person will have more EEF for example than what is the average for their countrymen.

Here's Colin's other sister and brother.

http://nowmagazine.media.ipcdigital.co.uk/11140/00001ba5b/2fde_orh100000w360/Colin-Farrell.jpg

Septentrion
05-11-2017, 08:50 PM
Don't believe Everything you see on the Internet most of those studies are hardly accurate. I rather get my impressions on first hand (from travels).


There is no way 80% brits are lighteyed, not even close.

Not even close? Who are you?
Nearly 80% of Britons as a whole are light-eyed (blue or green-eyed) according to the ScotlandDNA project in 2014.

Septentrion
10-14-2017, 04:03 AM
What ? quoting the american anthropologist who never left their hometowns in little arkansas? those studies are pure crap, I gave up considering them as reliable source since long time ago.

Compare scots and GErmans pigmentation wise..

GErman students:

http://www.assist-inc.org/sites/assist-inc.org/files/imagecache/zoomed/page_images/german_scholars_v2_2013-14.jpg

Scottish students: (again altlantid and atlanto-brunn being dominant types)

http://www.jameswatt.ac.uk/data/jameswatt/image/news/jan12_police_autism.jpg


What about those Dark southern german students? Yess blonde hair is soo damn rare there because a fat ignorant who never left his little town wrote it in some obscure racial book 200 years ago.. :picard1:

http://img.welt.de/img/stuttgart/crop102032341/9598728387-ci3x2l-w620/mst-stuttgart-20110616-DW-Sonstiges-Freiburg.jpg

http://www.zvw.de/media.media.fa1534af-3433-4f10-9152-aff39b66b145.normalized.jpeg

http://www.abendblatt.de/img/norddeutschland/crop105631795/1938728296-ci3x2l-w620/hoersaal-ueberfuellt-HA-Wirtschaft-Freiburg.jpg


UK isn't blonde at all, true blonde people are in the single digits (not mousy or sandy hair but true yellow haired), In germany people with yellow-golden blond hair are everywhere, even in the southern regions. Very very few british women, can I ask any? are blonde and germanic looking like that..

http://www.starnostar.com/data/images/who-is-Marry-Queen-is-star-or-no-star-Miroslava-celebrity-vote.jpg

Women like that are everywhere in germany.

Typical british women pigmentation (without bleach help) is like that:

http://static.guim.co.uk/Guardian/lifeandstyle/gallery/2008/aug/12/british.women.athletes/heather1-2537.jpg

Bloody, you are useless! Are you from Arkansas? Irish are lighter in all aspects (hair, eye, skin) than southern Germans, Swiss and Austrians. Northern Germans are more similar to them. Irish don't have the highest rates of blondism, but they sure do for red-headedness and blue eyes.

TEUTORIGOS
10-14-2017, 04:16 AM
Is swarthiness determined by a combination of skin tone, hair colour, and eye colour?

Many British have dark eyes and hair, but type I or II skin. Can they really be called swarthy?

Exactly, look how white my skin is despite having dark hair and eyes :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/naudiz/1012171356-00_zpsga0rmjga.jpg

Compare my skin color to this Italian American :

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2009-09-24-Imperioli_TGS-thumb.jpg

TEUTORIGOS
10-14-2017, 04:25 AM
Exactly, look how white my skin is despite having dark hair and eyes :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/naudiz/1012171356-00_zpsga0rmjga.jpg

Compare my skin color to this Italian American :

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2009-09-24-Imperioli_TGS-thumb.jpg

I am American but check this out :

Gedmatch.Com
EUtest 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

EUtest Oracle population reference data revised 06 Nov 2012.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 ATLANTIC 29.96
2 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 26.77
3 SOUTH_BALTIC 12.91
4 WEST_MED 10.57
5 EAST_EURO 10.27
6 WEST_ASIAN 4.44
7 EAST_MED 2.47
8 SOUTH_ASIAN 1.59


Finished reading population data. 78 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Orcadian @ 2.572646
2 Cornish @ 2.927963
3 IE @ 2.939580
4 Scottish @ 3.636564
5 English @ 4.970222
6 NL @ 5.760987
7 West_&_Central_German @ 6.989939
8 DK @ 7.561948
9 NO @ 9.355514
10 South_&_Central_Swedish @ 10.225418
11 FR @ 12.779758
12 North_Swedish @ 14.188993
13 AT @ 14.855093
14 HU @ 20.764002
15 ES @ 21.047228
16 PT @ 21.158691
17 South_Finnish @ 23.622814
18 Serbian @ 23.986607
19 French_Basque @ 25.100336
20 North_Italian @ 25.704790

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Cornish +50% Scottish @ 1.968661


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Cornish +25% Orcadian +25% Scottish @ 1.857162


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Cornish + Cornish + Orcadian + Scottish @ 1.857162
2 Cornish + Cornish + IE + Scottish @ 1.916898
3 Cornish + NL + Scottish + Scottish @ 1.940600
4 Cornish + Cornish + Scottish + Scottish @ 1.968661
5 Cornish + Cornish + IE + Orcadian @ 1.979756
6 Cornish + English + Scottish + Scottish @ 2.012911
7 Cornish + Scottish + Scottish + West_&_Central_German @ 2.030463
8 Cornish + English + IE + Scottish @ 2.040028
9 Cornish + Cornish + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.049928
10 Cornish + Cornish + IE + IE @ 2.053847
11 Cornish + IE + NL + Scottish @ 2.059194
12 Cornish + Orcadian + Orcadian + Scottish @ 2.062128
13 Cornish + IE + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.097064
14 Cornish + IE + Orcadian + Scottish @ 2.106331
15 Cornish + English + Orcadian + Scottish @ 2.109261
16 Cornish + Cornish + Cornish + Scottish @ 2.117296
17 Cornish + Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.133714
18 Cornish + IE + Scottish + West_&_Central_German @ 2.159240
19 Cornish + IE + IE + Orcadian @ 2.173518
20 Cornish + NL + Orcadian + Scottish @ 2.174028

Septentrion
10-23-2017, 02:32 AM
Exactly, look how white my skin is despite having dark hair and eyes :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/naudiz/1012171356-00_zpsga0rmjga.jpg

Compare my skin color to this Italian American :

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2009-09-24-Imperioli_TGS-thumb.jpg

Most ethnic Britons are not dark-eyed, the overall percentage for dark eyes in Britain is 22% (ScotlandDna Project). Thus it's not much at all (not the majority). Yes obviously Britons are overall paler than the average continental European, therefore paler than an Italian.

Septentrion
11-01-2017, 11:56 PM
http://qphys.uni-saarland.de/images/uploads/group/2010_november.jpg

Germans from Saarland (southern Germany) they are mostly dark haired, and clearly more tanned than the brits, with less nordic facial features.
English are mostly keltic,halstatt and borreby-bruenn, Irish and Scottish north atlantid,keltic and Bruenn, welsh mostly north atlantid+keltic.

Saarland is well among the darkest regions of Germany. 15% are naturally blond. It is clearly less blond than any of English counties.

bozkur
05-01-2018, 09:55 PM
good example of swarthy Brit

http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Norwich+City+v+Coventry+City+Gh65GLI7nXel.jpg