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Pallantides
01-01-2013, 10:02 PM
Which people in Arda do you think resemble your own people the most?


Norwegians:
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121009121029/lotr/images/1/1f/Orcs_-_Two_Towers.png

Pallantides
01-01-2013, 10:06 PM
Typical night out in Oslo:
LJIr_EL_4m8

Neanderthal
01-01-2013, 10:07 PM
Orcs :o

Linet
01-01-2013, 10:08 PM
...Well..i would definately love to say elves :chin:....but i suppose i have to say Dwarves :pout:

Pallantides
01-01-2013, 10:11 PM
He had turned Óðinn into Sauron and my Pagan forefathers into the fighting Uruk-Hai. To me the "dark forces" attacking Gondor were like the Vikings attacking Charlemagne's Christian France, the "dark forces" attacking Rohan were like the Vikings attacking the Christian England. And I may add; the Vikings eventually lost their war as well, just like Sauron and the orcs did - and I didn't mind supporting the loosing part. I have always believed in doing what is right, regardless of the consequences, and if I was fighting for a lost cause it didn't matter. I would rather die fighting for what I believe in, than live for anything else.

However, he had not only used the Vikings and the Norse language to create the orcs and their language. The word "Orc" is actually the name of a tribe that in the ancient times lived in Scotland, on the Orkney Islands (also known as Orcadia). "Orc" is a Gaelic word that to my knowledge translates as "boar". The warrior cults of the native tribes on the British Isles probably used boars the same way as the Scandinavian warrior cults of the berserkers and werewolves used bears and wolves. The "Orcs" were a part of the group of tribes we know from the Roman era to the Viking Age as the Picts ("Painted Ones"). - Varg Vikernes

Leon_C
01-01-2013, 10:12 PM
Probably Rohirrim but my hair is a bit too dark

Balmung
01-01-2013, 10:13 PM
They all have British accents, so they all are obviously British lol.

Leon_C
01-01-2013, 10:14 PM
They all have British accents, so they all are obviously British lol.

They are cockneys, and let me tell you Londoners are a loathsome bunch

Linet
01-01-2013, 10:14 PM
Probably Rohirrim but my hair is a bit too dark

Judging from your photo :photo: ...you would be a perfect Rohirim :pippi

Pallantides
01-01-2013, 10:16 PM
and my Pagan forefathers into the fighting Uruk-Hai.
-BpcArRYTpE

Jackson
01-01-2013, 10:41 PM
Haha, funny thread.
Well, supposedly the Rohirrim are my people. Although in the mythology they are almost all fair, and the same cannot be said of almost all of the peoples in northern Europe, let alone England. Apart from that and i couple of other small things, this is the case.

But also the Hobbits and Breelanders, depending on where and in what time period in English history you want to go that is...

Albion
01-01-2013, 11:38 PM
The Shire is obviously Central England (Mercia).

Pallantides
01-01-2013, 11:40 PM
"Do you know how the Nordics first came into being? They were Finnic once, taken by the Indo-European and Neolithic powers, tortured and mutilated. A ruined and terrible form of life..."

Arrow Cross
01-01-2013, 11:43 PM
Rohan.

Dombra
01-01-2013, 11:46 PM
"Do you know how the Nordics first came into being? They were Finnic once, taken by the Indo-European and Neolithic powers, tortured and mutilated. A ruined and terrible form of life..."

Pallantides :D

Peyrol
01-01-2013, 11:53 PM
Gondor is the fallen Rome, so probabily my homeregion (''Piemont'') will be somewhere in the White Mountains...

SkyBurn
01-01-2013, 11:54 PM
Hmmmmmmm.

I'm a cunning, greedy, gold-obsessed, horribly ugly, traitorous, evil, slightly insane, and nasal voiced Jew.

Only one 'ethnicity' which fits here...


http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/14000000/Gollum-Smeagol-smeagol-gollum-14076899-960-403.jpg

Accountant
01-01-2013, 11:58 PM
I'm a cunning, greedy, gold-obsessed, horribly ugly, traitorous, evil, slightly insane, and nasal voiced Jew.

That makes you a Dwarf. I hate Dwarfs.

SkyBurn
01-02-2013, 12:02 AM
That makes you a Dwarf. I hate Dwarfs.

Check the spoiler in the post.

Dwarves are at least fun, and will participate for the side of good, so not a good fit


(I am, of course joking. Tolkein famously loved the Jewish people, dem j00z)

Onur
01-02-2013, 01:22 AM
Rohan.
Hungarians are from Rohan?

Nah, you can only be Rohan-wannabe people of Mordor :)

King Claus
01-02-2013, 01:23 AM
turks, arabs, morocan all the same xD

Arrow Cross
01-02-2013, 01:35 AM
Hungarians are from Rohan?
Only because Easterlings weren't horsemen. Although the style of their heavy armour is unmatched.


(I am, of course joking. Tolkein famously loved the Jewish people, dem j00z)

That, he certainly did.

Leliana
01-02-2013, 12:43 PM
According to this map we Germans and Austrians are the people of Rohan and Dunland, with Isengard and Edoras as two important centers. :cool:

http://www.bogost.com/middle-earth.jpg

Sarmatian
01-02-2013, 02:40 PM
Rohan in England or Germany? What a joke :picard2:

Army of Rohan was 100% horsemen and they lived in the land that resemble Eurasian Steppe. The only place in Europe where army was made only of horsemen was Pontic Steppe. Since the times of Sarmatians my people were fighting only on horse.

Rohan have some resemblance with Germanic people in language and culture. In fighting style and location they are more like South-Eastern Europe.

gold_fenix
01-02-2013, 02:48 PM
nordic= elves
mediterranean = men
alpines= hobbits

Leon_C
01-02-2013, 02:50 PM
Which people in Arda do you think resemble your own people the most?


Norwegians:
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121009121029/lotr/images/1/1f/Orcs_-_Two_Towers.png

http://i.imgur.com/NpF1R.jpg
Gorbag is obviously Keltic Nordid

Pallantides
01-02-2013, 02:55 PM
nordic= orcs
finns = elves
mediterranean = men
alpines= dwarves
brünn = hobbits


fixed it for you:)

Artek
01-02-2013, 03:04 PM
Northmen from Rhovanion (woodmen) with Easterling influences.

Duke
01-02-2013, 05:08 PM
Dunlendings LOL

http://images.wikia.com/lotr/images/a/ac/Dunlending_Wildmen.jpg
http://images.wikia.com/lotr/images/1/10/Screen_shot_2010-03-22_at_7.28.47_PM.png
http://images.wikia.com/lotr/images/3/34/Rapt_Hillman.png
http://images.wikia.com/lotr/images/a/aa/Dunland_Knifeman.png
http://images.wikia.com/lotr/images/4/46/Dunlending_Robber.png


Probably was inspired by this

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/4207/0006ois.jpg


30 years war, and protestant propaganda...

Lithium
01-02-2013, 05:16 PM
Bulgarians are definitely High Elves
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120615211621/lotr/images/3/39/Gli-Galad_y_Elrond.jpg
j/k

Grenzland
01-02-2013, 05:21 PM
I'm a Hallstatt orc!

Mortimer
01-02-2013, 05:23 PM
I think the Haradrim (Southrons)

Rødskjegg
01-02-2013, 05:25 PM
fixed it for you:)

Finns are Nordic though, so he/she/it was partially right :P

Leon_C
01-02-2013, 08:01 PM
Gondor= North Atlantids
Elves= assorted Nordics
Rohan= Anglo Saxons
Dwarves= Jews

Jackson
01-03-2013, 04:26 PM
Rohan in England or Germany? What a joke :picard2:

Army of Rohan was 100% horsemen and they lived in the land that resemble Eurasian Steppe. The only place in Europe where army was made only of horsemen was Pontic Steppe. Since the times of Sarmatians my people were fighting only on horse.

Rohan have some resemblance with Germanic people in language and culture. In fighting style and location they are more like South-Eastern Europe.

Tolkien said himself they are pretty much Anglo-Saxons but with a strong horse fighting tradition, similar to that of the Sarmatians. So no the Rohirrim are not people of the Eurasian steppe, but share similar fighting styles.

Edit: He took (much) inspiration for their homeland from parts of southern England. There are many wide open spaces with some hilly areas that would have suited a mounted combat style. So they belong in England.

Il Principe
01-14-2013, 02:23 AM
He took (much) inspiration for their homeland from parts of southern England. There are many wide open spaces with some hilly areas that would have suited a mounted combat style. So they belong in England.
Indeed. It's been many years since I last read anything by Tolkien, but as far as I remember, the Rohirrim are straight out of Anglo-Saxon history and poems such as Beowulf.

They're essentially Anglo-Saxons who fill the same role in Tolkien's world as the Goths did in the Roman Empire.


nordic= elves
mediterranean = men
alpines= hobbits
Interestingly enough, Tolkien wrote during a time when the racial science of Madison Grant was popular and the Nordic/Alpine/Mediterranean divide was fairly common knowledge.

IIRC, there are three tribes of humans in "Silmarillion" that correspond to the Nordic/Alpine/Mediterranean groups, although I have forgot the names and don't have the book anymore.

Vasconcelos
01-14-2013, 02:27 AM
Gondor? idk..

I always found dwarves to be cool, though. And High Elves.

Aunt Hilda
01-14-2013, 02:30 AM
I'm half german and half lithuanian... so I guess I'm on the evil side(whatever that is)
honestly I doubt Tolkien knew the difference between balts and slavs

But I think I would make a very pretty elf

Smaug
01-14-2013, 02:31 AM
Gondor= North Atlantids
Elves= assorted Nordics
Rohan= Anglo Saxons
Dwarves= Jews

In this case: hurray Gondor!

Iggie
01-14-2013, 07:12 PM
I would say mostly Gondor and some half-Dwarves hang around here xD

Petersburg
01-14-2013, 07:13 PM
Mordor

Pretan
01-14-2013, 07:24 PM
The countryside and small villages of England suit the hobbits very well.

So i'd have to go with Hobbits.

Smaug
01-14-2013, 07:36 PM
The countryside and small villages of England suit the hobbits very well.

So i'd have to go with Hobbits.

Tolkien made the Hobbits and The Shire thinking of the English.

lI
01-15-2013, 02:44 AM
http://www.bogost.com/middle-earth.jpg
Based on that map, my folks would be Northmen of Rhovanion but I would much rather claim Ents. It is well known that the tradition of having ancient sacred groves was especially strong among Balts. Most widely known Lithuanian folk tale is about people morphing into trees (''Eglė - žalčių karalienė'').

Scholarios
01-15-2013, 02:48 AM
Corsairs elite, South Gondor people. I always imagined them as Mediterranean folk.

Svipdag
01-15-2013, 03:00 AM
The Istari: Mithrandir, Saruman, Radagast, and Svipdag.


"RIDENTEM DICERE VERVM QVID VETAT" - QVINTVS HORATIVS FLACCVS

Leon_C
01-15-2013, 01:47 PM
In this case: hurray Gondor!

Actually I think I would also fit better as a Númenórean than a Ronhirrim, since they are very tall, have dark hair and light eyes, I pretty much fit the bill. You have lighter hair than me and would probably be a mixed race person of Rohirrim and Númenórean descent.

Duke
01-15-2013, 01:53 PM
Anglo-Saxons= Hobbits and Dwarves?

Anglo- Picts were described by Roman soldiers as short people, pygmies

Saxons- were most famus miners all over the Europe, even we had some Saxon miners here

Žołnir
01-15-2013, 01:58 PM
According to this map we Germans and Austrians are the people of Rohan and Dunland, with Isengard and Edoras as two important centers. :cool:

http://www.bogost.com/middle-earth.jpg

Omg i live between Gondor and Mordor. What am i ppl? :picard1:

Smaug
01-15-2013, 02:00 PM
Anglo-Saxons= Hobbits and Dwarves?

Anglo- Picts were described by Roman soldiers as short people, pygmies

Saxons- were most famus miners all over the Europe, even we had some Saxon miners here

Anglo-Saxons = Rohirrin
Modern English = Hobbits
Jews = Dwarves

Duke
01-15-2013, 02:02 PM
Omg i live between Gondor and Mordor. What am i ppl? :picard1:

Wild Hillmen

:D

Absinthe
01-15-2013, 02:02 PM
Gondor, as I assume from this map. ;)

Žołnir
01-15-2013, 02:03 PM
Wild Hillmen

:D

Dose that exist in LOTR? :)

Duke
01-15-2013, 02:05 PM
Dose that exist in LOTR? :)

Yea they do, those would be corrupted (lesser) men who were under Ottomans, Dunlendings :D


Joke, we are
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%BAnedain

:)


The Dúnedain were descended from the Elf-friends, the few Men of the First Age who sided with the Noldorin Elves in Beleriand. Their original leader was Bëor the Old, a "Vassal" of the Elf lord Finrod. His people settled in Eldar lands, and he was an ancestor of the Lord Elros, a half-Elf. In the Second age, the Valar gave them Númenor, an island-continent to live on. They later created fortress-cities along the western coasts of Middle-earth, which dominated the lesser men of these areas. In time, Númenor was drowned and a small number of the Faithful (led by Elendil) escaped the destruction.


Lesser men would be illyrians :D

Albion
01-15-2013, 02:05 PM
Omg i live between Gondor and Mordor. What am i ppl? :picard1:

Half caste probably. ;)

Žołnir
01-15-2013, 02:09 PM
Half caste probably. ;)


Yea they do, those would be corrupted (lesser) men who were under Ottomans, Dunlendings :D


Joke, we are
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%BAnedain

:)


Lesser men would be illyrians :D

LOLz ok so be it but you know what guys. I will imagine myself as a lone ranger. :D

Jackson
01-15-2013, 02:13 PM
LOLz ok so be it but you know what guys. I will imagine myself as a lone ranger. :D

Escaped mountain troll. ;)

Windischer
01-15-2013, 02:17 PM
so i live halfway between barad-dúr and black gate (morannon)? cool :D

žolnir, you live in lebennin :)

Žołnir
01-15-2013, 02:22 PM
Escaped mountain troll. ;)

Hahah, LOLz.


so i live halfway between barad-dúr and black gate (morannon)? cool :D

žolnir, you live in lebennin :)

Cool so i am man. :) Lebennin;

The central and one of the most populated regions of Gondor, bordered by river Anduin in the east and south and by the White Mountains in the north. Lebennin translates from Sindarin as "five waters", which is a reference to the Five Streams that flowed through it: Erui, Sirith, Celos, Serni and Gilrain. The rivers are stated to have fallen swiftly from the mountains, but in Legolas's song Lebennin appears as a region of "green fields" and grasslands with an abundance of flowers. In parts of Lebennin around the Mouths of Anduin lived a fairly numerous fisher-folk.

Arrow Cross
01-15-2013, 02:30 PM
http://www.bogost.com/middle-earth.jpg

Well... in the grim darkness of the Xth Century, we were Mordor!

Duke
01-15-2013, 02:36 PM
so i live halfway between barad-dúr and black gate (morannon)? cool :D

žolnir, you live in lebennin :)

Lebennin=Leibach=Ljubljana

It makes sense


Lebennin was a region and fiefdom in southern Gondor.

Known as Fair Lebennin of the Five Streams, referring to the Five Rivers of Lebennin, it was one of the faithful fiefs of Gondor. Its largest city was Pelargir.

Lebennin was largely populated by Men of mixed blood, as many Men of Lebennin traced their ancestry to the forgotten 'Men of the Mountains' that had been displaced from the White Mountains by the Númenóreans.

During the War of the Ring, Lebennin did not send many Men to the aid of Minas Tirith as it was under attack by the Corsairs of Umbar. Lebennin was rescued by Aragorn and the Dead Men of Dunharrow.

Vasconcelos
01-15-2013, 02:39 PM
According to those maps I'm a fish.

Smaug
01-15-2013, 03:34 PM
Actually I think I would also fit better as a Númenórean than a Ronhirrim, since they are very tall, have dark hair and light eyes, I pretty much fit the bill. You have lighter hair than me and would probably be a mixed race person of Rohirrim and Númenórean descent.

Yes :D

And you are right, my mother is Rohirrim and my father is Númenórean.

Wild North
02-15-2013, 11:29 PM
According to this map Scandinavia, or Sweden precisely, would be located from the point of Rivendell, and then east the Misty Mountains.

The people of Rohan appears to be "Germanic", that once migrated from the North. These could be an allegory of the Goths, that migrated from Scandinavia southwards.


According to this map we Germans and Austrians are the people of Rohan and Dunland, with Isengard and Edoras as two important centers. :cool:


http://www.bogost.com/middle-earth.jpg

Interesting that on this map, that Mordor appears to be located in Transylvania... What a coincidence!!!

Transylvania indeed has a rather turbulent history.. Should we say that Transylvania is the real world "Mordor" :p If it is, then there would also be a real world "Sauron".. :p

Jackson
02-15-2013, 11:34 PM
According to this map Scandinavia, or Sweden precisely, would be located from the point of Rivendell, and then east the Misty Mountains.

The people of Rohan appears to be "Germanic", that once migrated from the North. These could be an allegory of the Goths, that migrated from Scandinavia southwards.



Interesting that on this map, that Mordor appears to be located in Transylvania... What a coincidence!!!

Transylvania indeed has a rather turbulent history.. Should we say that Transylvania is the real world "Mordor" :p If it is, then there would also be a real world "Sauron".. :p

Kinda fits with the pre-migration era spread of Germanic languages/people too. Spreading south, west, east and north of their core area in southern Germany/north Denmark.

It's a pretty cool map that. Although we need to find a role for Spain and Portugal :P

Permafrost
02-15-2013, 11:43 PM
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8011/7689158804_1aa9bc8d7b.jpg

Wild North
10-01-2013, 11:55 PM
http://www.bogost.com/middle-earth.jpg

As said Scandinavians would have been the peoples living east of the Misty Mountains, and west of Mirkwood.

Btw, didn´t Tolkien base Sindarin, the Elvish language, on some Celtic language like Welsh, it kind of sound like Welsh or Irish.. There are several Elvish languages, some are even based on Finnish.. And ironically enough, some of the elves in the LOTR-films looks kind of "Finnic", f. ex the forrest Elves.. :rolleyes:

Prisoner Of Ice
10-01-2013, 11:58 PM
Gandalf of course. If he weren't outrageously queer he would fit in the family, probably.

Svipdag
10-02-2013, 03:04 AM
Istari

Windischer
10-02-2013, 05:14 PM
well, tolkien clearly stated his works are not allegoric to the real world.

and yes, he drew inspiration from real world languages when engineering his own ones - quenya is inspired by finnish, sindarin by finnish and welsh (initial consonant mutations and phonetics in general) and khuzdul by hebrew and arabic (tri-consonantal roots, e.g. khazád = dwarves, khuzdul = dwarvish).
i dont know much about adúnaic and the black speech, though

Windischer
10-03-2013, 08:27 PM
it kind of sound like Welsh or Irish..

it sounds nothing like irish. not sure if you ever listened to irish language but it sounds very, very differently from welsh.