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rashka
03-31-2013, 04:07 AM
There are striking similarities that one can only conclude that Celtic dance arose from the Balkans (today's Serbia-Montenegro-Macedonia-Bosnia-Croatia). That same style of dancing and fast musical tempo that the Celts took with them in their sojourn across Europe.

Some Serbian Dances



http://youtu.be/XR_XgOMJmKw


http://youtu.be/KXWtGaT2XaA


http://youtu.be/UNaGgvzxIAA


http://youtu.be/_wYETwmi4Xc


http://youtu.be/-BnwP7StxaE

Arbėrori
03-31-2013, 04:14 AM
Isn't Kolo like Horo, a native dance? Vlasko kolo's etymology seems to come from Vlachic dances.

The Albanian dance on 0:30 reminds me of Celtic ones aswell:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb2j4tMyDrA

Daniyyel
04-15-2013, 02:43 PM
I'm not sure celts from the Balkans migrated further west, maybe celts brought it to the balkans?

Arbėrori
04-15-2013, 02:50 PM
I'm not sure celts from the Balkans migrated further west, maybe celts brought it to the balkans?

Celtic expansion to the Balkans is exaggerated, there were only a few small tribes at best present & they left for Anatolia.

Dombra
05-08-2013, 07:38 PM
They are both based on old dances that were danced in whole of Europe. Its just that certain traits are still with certain dances as they evolved through history.

rashka
09-09-2013, 01:50 AM
When I see Serbian folk dances I can see where Celtic dance has arisen.


http://youtu.be/8hX7HWFfXe0

http://youtu.be/QJ3EzY0YuBc

BlondePacifism
09-30-2013, 10:08 PM
That Bulgarian music reminds me Scottish pipe music:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft9qUcu1mvU

Prisoner Of Ice
09-30-2013, 10:12 PM
They came more recently from scotland into ireland anyway.

Probably have roots outside of europe, believe it or not. Lots of migrations around 3000 bc and that's probably when they came to europe, or so I speculate anyway.

Smaug
09-30-2013, 10:19 PM
It would be more reasonable to think that Balkan dances come from Celts instead of the opposite, since Celtic immigration into the Balkans happened from the West to the East. Still, it doesn't make any sense at all, Celts had little impact in the Balkans are both peoples are completely unrelated.

Prisoner Of Ice
09-30-2013, 10:31 PM
It would be more reasonable to think that Balkan dances come from Celts instead of the opposite, since Celtic immigration into the Balkans happened from the West to the East. Still, it doesn't make any sense at all, Celts had little impact in the Balkans are both peoples are completely unrelated.

That's not true, celts had a much wider area than that, and probably the thracians are just a type of celt originally anyway. Spartans also have many properties similar to celts. Way too similar to dismiss, really. Not to mention the theories illyrians and celts are related.

Smaug
09-30-2013, 10:58 PM
That's not true, celts had a much wider area than that, and probably the thracians are just a type of celt originally anyway. Spartans also have many properties similar to celts. Way too similar to dismiss, really. Not to mention the theories illyrians and celts are related.

Celts are more related to Italics than to any Balkanoid people.

Anglojew
09-30-2013, 11:06 PM
The Slavic tribes didn't arrive until the 9th century AD in the Balkans. By then Celts had come and gone in the region 1000 years before;

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FKYheCZ0A2E/UBcp4p94uJI/AAAAAAAAGEo/mTBrhzfy8kU/s640/celtic+map.jpeg

You have the situation backward.

justme
10-01-2013, 04:20 AM
That's not true, celts had a much wider area than that, and probably the thracians are just a type of celt originally anyway. Spartans also have many properties similar to celts. Way too similar to dismiss, really. Not to mention the theories illyrians and celts are related.

I always thought Illyrians were closer to Germanic people because they say Illyrians are bearers of the Hallsatt culture.

Crn Volk
10-01-2013, 04:30 AM
The Slavic tribes didn't arrive until the 9th century AD in the Balkans. By then Celts had come and gone in the region 1000 years before;

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FKYheCZ0A2E/UBcp4p94uJI/AAAAAAAAGEo/mTBrhzfy8kU/s640/celtic+map.jpeg

You have the situation backward.

6th century actually, but new evidence suggests they might have always been there

Stefan_Dusan
10-01-2013, 04:44 AM
I keep saying this but my father was obsessed with Irish/Scottish music and when I asked him he told me they are the most similar to us. I remember thinking him to be kind of weird then.

But once I was driving this Irish/German girl and I put on some Serbian folk while driving and I asked her how to sound. I expected her to say middle eastern/Turkish due to singing style but she responded: Irish.

Methmatician
10-01-2013, 04:46 AM
Circle dances are the most common in the world. There is likely no significant connection.

Prisoner Of Ice
10-01-2013, 04:57 AM
I always thought Illyrians were closer to Germanic people because they say Illyrians are bearers of the Hallsatt culture.

They probably are closer but all related.

Prisoner Of Ice
10-01-2013, 04:59 AM
I keep saying this but my father was obsessed with Irish/Scottish music and when I asked him he told me they are the most similar to us. I remember thinking him to be kind of weird then.

But once I was driving this Irish/German girl and I put on some Serbian folk while driving and I asked her how to sound. I expected her to say middle eastern/Turkish due to singing style but she responded: Irish.

Yeah, and somehow when I look at balkan people they seem less foreign than germans (unless they are more eastern newcomers).

justme
10-01-2013, 05:01 AM
Yeah, and somehow when I look at balkan people they seem less foreign than germans (unless they are more eastern newcomers).

What do you mean by eastern newcomers?