Why is Slavic music always being passed off as Gypsy music?

[rashka]

Every time I see a documentary or commercial on TV about gypsies I hear Balkan music in the background, specifically Yugoslav and Bulgarian music. But this is not the music of the gypsies! It is Slavic music!

I saw one documentary about the gypsies in Romania and they started the show off with very distinct Balkan music.

The gypsies do play this wonderfully 'distinct' sound often at weddings, at festivals, in the streets, at parties etc. and are hired for those events but it is not their music and should not be stamped as such. They tend to have a different mode of music than that of the slavs however they have adopted Balkan music into their own styles.

[Loki]

lol good question ... cultural influence? :P

[baraSYR]

simple Mistakes

[Szegedist]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg44qKSbsdQ

:laugh:

[Lena]

lol good question ... cultural influence? :P

Nah, people are just a bunch of ignoramuses when it comes to many things, music and culture is not an exception.

Enjoy, Loki :) it's in Romani lang. (not to be confused with RomaniAN lang pls)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7vnmPaSDOA

[Arianiti]

Many serbian composers and singers have become famous with Gypsy songs, like Bregovic with song Ederlezi. You have used their culture too.

Sang by an Albanian singer in roma culture show


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh7tZFT29k8

[morski]

I don't make any distinction between Serbian Turbofolk/Bulgarian Chalga and Gypsy music.

[Szegedist]

Anyway, because Balkan pop (Chalga, Manele, Turbofolk) does sound a bit like Gypsy music.

Edit: Damn, Morski beat me to it.

[Alenka]

Just because (some) Slavs consider certain music as theirs does not mean it is completely Slavic derived. Actually, I would say it is rather foreign to Slavic urheimat countries like Poland and Ukraine. Music in the area of Balkans is a blend of many different influences, Slavic being only one of them. Another one of them is Gypsy. Gypsy music influenced many areas that they migrated through, Balkans being no exception.

[Szegedist]

Nah, people are just a bunch of ignoramuses when it comes to many things, music and culture is not an exception.

Enjoy, Loki :) it's in Romani lang. (not to be confused with RomaniAN lang pls)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7vnmPaSDOA

Here is a treat for you Lena

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Qp5RFeWQAM
:D

[Lena]

Anyway, because Balkan pop (Chalga, Manele, Turbofolk) does sound a bit like Gypsy music.

Edit: Damn, Morski beat me to it.

No, not really, but Romani ppl are known to have a certain talent for music and many are musicians (in Hungary as well). Knowing that, many play/sing our folk or turbo-folk music to earn money. Simple.

If you look at their music styles you'll notice it depends on their geo location.

[Roy]

Gypsies have influenced the development of local music, especially in Southern Europe. Nothing new but still I guess it is still possible to say what can be seen as native

[Szegedist]

No, not really, but Romani ppl are known to have a certain talent for music and many are musicians (in Hungary as well). Knowing that, many play/sing our folk or turbo-folk music to earn money. Simple.

If you look at their music styles you'll notice it depends on their geo location.

This I agree with, Gypsies are known for violin playing skill (among other , less positive things )

[Dombra]

People associate Gypsies with Balkan, they hear no difference in the music

[morski]

Gypsy music done by ethnic Bulgarians aka chalga.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1kVHed-iYQ&playnext=1&list=PL4AD189A77766E96B&feature=results_main

Traditional Bulgarian folklore:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHi-8tEZAME

The oriental Gypsy influence is clearly detectable in the first one. The two have absolutely nothing in common. Chalga appeared as a phenomenon in Bulgaria in the 90s via Serbia.

[Szegedist]

Slavic folk music sounds nothing at all like gypsy music.

Modern Balkan pop though, as already has been said,is so-so especially to ones from the West.

EDIT: Morski FFS this is the second time.

[Permafrost]

Ear wax? Honestly I cannot understand. To me, ethnic Slovenian, Croatian, Bosniak, Serbian and Bulgarian music sounds lightyears apart from gypsy music.

I also find it hilarious when I see Albanian on this thread (yet again) poking fun of Slavs. In this case it's really fucking hilarious.

[Arbërori]

Many serbian composers and singers have become famous with Gypsy songs, like Bregovic with song Ederlezi. You have used their culture too.

Sang by an Albanian singer in roma culture show

Funny, it's a Serbian song, yet this is absolutely the best performance of it ever. :coffee:

[Arbërori]

Ear wax? Honestly I cannot understand. To me, ethnic Slovenian, Croatian, Bosniak, Serbian and Bulgarian music sounds lightyears apart from gypsy music.

I also find it hilarious when I see Albanian on this thread (yet again) poking fun of Slavs. In this case it's really fucking hilarious.

Someone is butthurt, I see. :lol:

[Lena]

Modern Balkan pop though, as already has been said,is so-so especially to ones from the West.



How come? This is modern Balkan pop music, nothing 'so-so' in it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2wOjAFZPQE

[Permafrost]

Someone is butthurt, I see. :lol:

Not butthurt in the slightest, just curious as to why every damn time a thread about Slavs is opened you never miss a chance to throw insults at us. I mean, it should get boring after a while.

[Arbërori]

Not butthurt in the slightest, just curious as to why every damn time a thread about Slavs is opened you never miss a chance to throw insults at us. I mean, it should get boring after a while.

Did you see me insult anyone? No, so stop generalizing. :picard2:

[Szegedist]

How come? This is modern Balkan pop music, nothing 'so-so' in it.



You probably meant the Balkan turbo-folk.

:thumb001:

[Shkembe Chorba]

Football is a niggas sport, because of Thienry Henry, Eto'o, Emile Heskey.

See your logic ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ED92T7tod8

[Arbërori]

Ya obicham, mnogo hubava! :kiss:

[Sisak]

Croats to identify this with Turkish music and not with the Gypsy music.

[Shkembe Chorba]

Lets not forget that Croatia also produces this music genre.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxB950KwrXE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcLZlwdIQTU

Nikol is a nice artist, I like her songs hehe

[Sisak]

Football is a niggas sport, because of Thienry Henry, Eto'o, Emile Heskey.

See your logic ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ED92T7tod8
Cvetelina is her name...what it means? sound like djetelina-clover.

[Shkembe Chorba]

Cvetelina is her name...what it means? sound like djetelina-clover.

Cvetelina comes from "flower", its with slavic origin. In Croatian i think it is "cvijet"

We also have Detelina as a name, with the meaning of clover.

[derLowe]

Croats to identify this with Turkish music and not with the Gypsy music.

This song sounds very oriental to me.

[Shkembe Chorba]

I like that we are calling Pop-Folk the Ferrari of music http://www.4smileys.com/smileys/music-smileys/trumpet.gif

Salute


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x90qQGTQnY4

[Archduke]

This song sounds very oriental to me.

Haha, thats nothing compared to hardcore chalga songs. :D

[Arbërori]

Chalga has made it's way in Albania aswell, but we just refer to it as 'Tallava':


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aCA82FRlt8


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hniwQzyMiU


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vzg7l8ZdNS4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys1c_LbNwu8


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwvqz4DE4cM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4-Xz_Lt2p4

[Szegedist]

You guys honestly like this sort of thing?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3sFaA7WmRQ

Its closer to softporno than it is to music :D

[Sisak]

Cvetelina comes from "flower", its with slavic origin. In Croatian i think it is "cvijet"

We also have Detelina as a name, with the meaning of clover.

cvetelina is a diminutive? yes, Croatian is a cvijet.

in most Slavic languages ​​while singing I do not understand the meaning of the song. but I was very surprised when I saw the Russian Anastasia series and when I see how we have the same words, because actors slower talking in the series.

[Shkembe Chorba]

You guys honestly like this sort of thing?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3sFaA7WmRQ

Its closer to softporno than it is to music :D
Do you have problem with watching beautiful blonde half-naked girls, mate ? :D

[Arbërori]

Oh God, this brings back so many memories! :lol:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU5BkkXl5Wc


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkD0qriDPpE

They should all do a collab with Andrea! :P

[Arbërori]

Do you have problem with watching beautiful blonde girls, mate ? :D

That song is so fucking epic! :thumb001:

[Archduke]

You guys honestly like this sort of thing?

Its closer to softporno than it is to music :D

Some of my countrymen could eat me for saying that but i cant imagine a party without such music. :)

[Shkembe Chorba]

cvetelina is a diminutive? yes, Croatian is a cvijet.

Nope, Cveti is the diminutive. In Bulgarian cvijet is cvete and the name is constructed with adding the "-ina" part, which is contained in other names, such as Galabina, Jasmina, Ivelina and so on.

[Arbërori]

Some of my countrymen could eat me for saying that but i cant imagine a party without such music. :)

You know what we're going to do, once I come to Bulgaria right? :P

[derLowe]

Haha, thats nothing compared to hardcore chalga songs. :D

Post one so we can see. :)

[Sisak]

]

They should all do a collab with Andrea! :P

Cvetelina's song is only good song here.

[Arbërori]

Cvetelina's song is only good song here.

We don't make much chalga, so it's understandable. :P

[Szegedist]

Do you have problem with watching beautiful blonde half-naked girls, mate ? :D
Mate, I prefer them real and not on some video ;)
Plus she is probably fake as hell, silicones, heavy makeup for music video, the whole batch ;)

[Szegedist]

this is the real deal, everything else just stems from this :laugh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOw0obywNf0
(Inb4 Balkan rage)

[Archduke]

Post one so we can see. :)

Old chalga (from the 90' years, the decade of shitty music&mafia, the time when we had freedom after so many years of Communism)

I believe that these songs are copy from Greek ones.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26AsH0HGrqI


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdFbovdq93o


Recent one


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQxhPFZH1cU

PS I'm waiting for your honest and negative opinion. :D

[Arbërori]

Mate, I prefer them real and not on some video ;)
Plus she is probably fake as hell, silicones, heavy makeup for music video, the whole batch ;)

Just the boobs and haircolor! :P She's very beautiful without makeup actually, I'll try finding some photos later.

[derLowe]

[QUOTE=Archduke;1550057]Old chalga (from the 90' years, the decade of shitty music&mafia, the time when we had freedom after so many years of Communism)

Ok. Wow, that sounds totally Oriental to me.

[Szegedist]

Some of my countrymen could eat me for saying that but i cant imagine a party without such music. :)

Party is different, it just needs some noise/music in the backround which nobody pays attention to but it adds party atmosphere :D

[Sisak]

"high-heels on the feet, legs in the car and the tattoo on the naked shoulder"

serbian song


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWNs1ZlHBag

[Archduke]

Ok. Wow, that sounds totally Oriental to me.

This kind of music came from Serbia (Yugoslavia) when our female singers tried to copy Lepa Brena and some other turbo-folk stars.

[Arbërori]

This used to be a hit:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ron1s2Bx-x8

[Comte Arnau]

What's worse? Slavic music being passed off as Gypsy? Or Gypsy flamenco being passed off as Spanish? Good question.

[Minesweeper]

Some of my countrymen could eat me for saying that but i cant imagine a party without such music. :)

I can, I prefer places where they play Serbian and Yugoslav rock in general. Average person there is way more intelligent and interesting than those wankers and sluts coming to folk pubs and clubs.

Don't get me wrong, I've been to those places where a big beer bottle is 0,4-0,8 Euros and that's what I need to digest that music, in large quantities.

[Sisak]

Archduke, song in the first video is good,
second video I dislike song, but attracted with decoration , what is this? Lantern?
3rd song very boring and not interesting

[Sisak]

I can, I prefer places where they play Serbian and Yugoslav rock in general. Average person there is way more intelligent and interesting than those wankers and sluts coming to folk pubs and clubs.

Don't get me wrong, I've been to those places where a big beer bottle is 0,4-0,8 Euros and that's what I need to digest that music.

Croats think that you identify with this songs? this is what you are?
Sincerely, i like your medieval song, this is something different then turbofolk, but turbofolk is true turkish music.

[Shkembe Chorba]

Bulgaria:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chKy9Wz_rBo

Serbia:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIjX7sLOric

Greece:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qN1nXmApTo

The original comes from Greece.

[Shkembe Chorba]

Average person there is way more intelligent and interesting than those wankers and sluts coming to folk pubs and clubs.

Average folk fan is way more intelligent and intersesting than a person who is judging for the people of the music that they are listen to.

[Minesweeper]

Average folk fan is way more intelligent and intersesting than a person who is judging for the people of the music that they are listen to.

I like folk music. Toma for example came to my mind, absolutely love his songs.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zia2SoXp4WM

But the company that comes to listen to your Andrea, Teodora, etc. or our Karleusa, Seka, etc. are the lowest class of people that our societies have to offer.

[Sisak]

Older man- serbian song


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyRHGWNfyrM

[Archduke]

I can, I prefer places where they play Serbian and Yugoslav rock in general. Average person there is way more intelligent and interesting than those wankers and sluts coming to folk pubs and clubs.

Don't get me wrong, I've been to those places where a big beer bottle is 0,4-0,8 Euros and that's what I need to digest that music, in large quantities.

I understand, everybody with his preferences.

But i think we shouldn't divide people because of their preference of music. You can't convince me that places who play rock have more "capable" people.


second video I dislike song, but attracted with decoration , what is this? Lantern?

That's the shittiest decoration a song can have imo. Typical 90'. :D

[Szegedist]

Sadly, we were not spared, and we have something similar, called Mulatós Zene. :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYt3BnGF-hY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fixa0uNB4J0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmOTTc1EPuM

Does this qualify? :laugh:

[rashka]

Oh my god, I can't believe what this thread has come to! This was not what I had in mind! What is all this turbo-chalga stuff doing here??
I was talking about slavic sounds - that fast tempo - accordian, recorder and some trumpet sounds, lively and sad at the same time also. Intricate music. Beautiful music. Some of you knew what the thread is about - some are very far off.
This is the sound I meant.


http://youtu.be/_pJje35JtxA

http://youtu.be/MrYXk-1wx7I

http://youtu.be/W1IPZmd86II

http://youtu.be/RhDj7VU5kS0

[Minesweeper]

I understand, everybody with his preferences.

But i think we shouldn't divide people because of their preference of music. You can't convince me that places who play rock have more "capable" people.


Well, not really, sometimes the music that individual posts on facebook tells enough about that individual. Distaste, let's put it that way. Like I said, when I drink I can listen to anything, just like even the ugliest girl might look like a goddess.

[morski]

Oh my god, I can't believe what this thread has come to! This was not what I had in mind! What is all this turbo-chalga stuff doing here??
I was talking about slavic sounds - that fast tempo - accordian, recorder and some trumpet sounds, lively and sad at the same time also. Intricate music. Beautiful music. Some of you knew what the thread is about - some are very far off.
This is the sound I meant.


http://youtu.be/_pJje35JtxA

http://youtu.be/MrYXk-1wx7I

http://youtu.be/W1IPZmd86II

http://youtu.be/RhDj7VU5kS0

This brass music in the first video I associate with Gypsies indeed, dunno why, last one sounds a bit like Klezmer.

Here's this smashing Gyspy band, don't know what exactly is the music, guess some mish-mash of Turkish, Balkan, Central European, even sounds jazzy at 3:40.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT4IufMeyYA

[Archduke]

Well, not really, sometimes the music that individual posts on facebook tells enough about that individual. Distaste, let's put it that way. Like I said, when I drink I can listen to anything, just like even the ugliest girl might look like a goddess.

It's all stereotypes, brate. It's only music, how can this be related with the personallity of one person? Thats retarded.

With this you insult me and the majority of your countrysmen. And if you really believe that only low class people listen to turbo-folk, then you believe in the destruction of Serbia because thats the main genre on the Balkans. People like it, thats why it is so much represented.

PS I like all kind of music, no matter what genre it is. As long as it capture my ear, i like it.

[Veneda]

This kind of music is rather seldom met in Poland, but this song is an example of górale-gipsy-serbian mix music thanks to the cooperation of Goran Bregović with Polish singer Kayah


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKF2GjRAUtE

[Kastrioti1443]

That is the gypsy music of the half animals of yugoslavia, not of all slavs

[rashka]

That is the gypsy music of the half animals of yugoslavia, not of all slavs
You are typical from where you come from. Must be from all that homogeneity going on there. Get off my topics, boy with no class and hopefully the likes of you will be banned soon because for you, good behaviour cannot be taught.

[Kastrioti1443]

You are typical from where you come from. Must be from all that homogeneity going on there. Get off my topics, boy with no class and hopefully the likes of you will be banned soon because for you, good behaviour cannot be taught.

Don't be mad my dear iranid. I just stated a fact, gypsy music is among dark yugoslavs, which explains also why you are dark and levantine like.

[Arbërori]

That is the gypsy music of the half animals of yugoslavia, not of all slavs

She's just mad that Serbs are alien to other Slavs. :rotfl:

[Guapo]

Don't be mad my dear iranid. I just stated a fact, gypsy music is among dark yugoslavs, which explains also why you are dark and levantine like.

Levant albanian music :rotfl:


http://youtu.be/lnVr1H7MRbk


She's just mad that Serbs are alien to other Slavs. :rotfl:

You're alien to europeans :lmao:

[Arbërori]

Someone is clueless about music... :picard2:

[Kastrioti1443]

Levant albanian music :rotfl:


http://youtu.be/lnVr1H7MRbk


Yes dark serb, but it is not gypsy music, like the ones of your wogy unibrow patriots.
You're alien to europeans :lmao:

[Guapo]

jutfhghhsjr

i swear you must be drawing live's retarded brother

[Arbërori]

Serbian music in the native Serbian tongue:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bStwaOGxy_Q

Lighter examples than all Serbs here. :coffee:

[Kastrioti1443]

i swear you must be drawing live's retarded brother

Btw you are dark or too dark? Gypsy music is among you, because you are dark as gypsies. It is not among poles, russians or sllovaks

[Guapo]

Serbian music in the native Serbian tongue:



Lighter examples than all Serbs here. :coffee:

Epic fail from an Armenoid Levant. Those are real gypsies and muslims like you. Mother Turkey awaits brah :lmao:

[Arbërori]

Epic fail from an Armenoid Levant. Those are real gypsies and muslims like you. Mother Turkey awaits brah :lmao:

Nicopolis awaits, Turk! :rotfl:

[rashka]

Btw you are dark or too dark? Gypsy music is among you, because you are dark as gypsies. It is not among poles, russians or sllovaks

You Albanians have inferiority complexes. Severe. Where does this come from? Must be from all that inbreeding you do up in the highlands. No wonder you have deformed faces. It is so bloody obvious to see. People are too nice here and just call you dinarids but you guys are far from dinards. You'd fit better in the Middle East to Caucasus. :lol:

[Guapo]

You Albanians have inferiority complexes. Severe. Where does this come from? Must be from all that inbreeding you do up in the highlands. No wonder you have deformed faces. It is so bloody obvious to see. People are too nice here and just call you dinarids but you guys are far from dinards. :lol:

far east from dinarids

[Arbërori]

We Serbs have inferiority complexes. Severe. Where does this come from? Must be from all that inbreeding we do with gypsies. No wonder we have deformed faces. It is so bloody obvious to see. People are too nice here and just call us Indids, but we are just Iranids. :lol:

:lmao

[rashka]

:lmao

Keep laughing, cause you know it's true. Your people are inbred totally. Just look at the google books on Albanian clans. It's all on the internet. This inbreeding contributed to your special looks.

[Guapo]

Keep laughing, cause you know it's true. Your people are inbred totally. Just look at the google books on Albanian clans. It's all on the internet. This inbreeding contributed to your special looks.

Asymmetrical faces as opposed to normal symmetrical faces.

[Kastrioti1443]

You Albanians have inferiority complexes. Severe. Where does this come from? Must be from all that inbreeding you do up in the highlands. No wonder you have deformed faces. It is so bloody obvious to see. People are too nice here and just call you dinarids but you guys are far from dinards. You'd fit better in the Middle East to Caucasus. :lol:

In front of me you dark short iranid would be called a turk, these how we call dark people in highlands. And of course iranid, it is not left in hands of mongrels like you to decide who is dinarid or not. What we know, is that serbs are too dark , not just for being slavs, but evan for being europeans.

:taped-shut:

[Arbërori]

Keep laughing, cause you know it's true. Your people are inbred totally. Just look at the google books on Albanian clans. It's all on the internet. This inbreeding contributed to your special looks.

That's it, I'm opening a thread with real eyewitness proof, you're going down, cat lady. :coffee:

[Guapo]

That's it, I'm opening a thread with real eyewitness proof, you're going down, cat lady. :coffee:

sure, go cherrypick as usual your pics :rotfl:

[Lena]

This kind of music came from Serbia (Yugoslavia) when our female singers tried to copy Lepa Brena and some other turbo-folk stars.

IMO, Lepa Brena was a show-woman, not a singer with a great vocal abilities.

[Lena]

You are typical from where you come from.

Pls, just ignore it, it's their culture.

[Arbërori]

Pls, just ignore it, it's their culture.

I expected more from you, Hungarian in denial. :lmao

[rashka]

In front of me you dark short iranid would be called a turk, these how we call dark people in highlands. And of course iranid, it is not left in hands of mongrels like you to decide who is dinarid or not. What we know, is that serbs are too dark , not just for being slavs, but evan for being europeans.

:taped-shut:

Did your grandpa/father (same person) teach you that up in the highlands while milking his sheep?

[Guapo]

Did your grandpa/father (same person) teach you that up in the highlands while milking his sheep?

:lmao:

[Arbërori]

Did your grandpa/father (same person) teach you that up in the highlands while milking his sheep?

Ask her (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?77905-In-The-Serbian-Mountains). :lmao

[Lena]

I expected more from you, Hungarian in denial. :lmao

You've too much time on your hands, Arberori.

[Arbërori]

You've too much time on your hands, Arberori.

I wish. :coffee:

[rashka]

You've too much time on your hands, Arberori.

He sounds like a 60 year old and is on here 24 hours a day.

[Arbërori]

He sounds like a 60 year old and is on here 24 hours a day.

Yup, not everyone has 60 cats... :lmao

[Guapo]

on here 24 hours a day.

he claims to have a gf, i doubt it(maybe his sister?)

[Arbërori]

he claims to have a gf, i doubt it(maybe his sister?)

:lmao

[rashka]

Yup, not everyone has 60 cats... :lmao

Your sheep is waiting for you.

[rashka]

he claims to have a gf, i doubt it(maybe his sister?)

He has a sheep. He already did his sister. :lmao

[Arbërori]

Your sheep is waiting for you.

Sure thing Dolly. :lmao

[Kastrioti1443]

He has a sheep. He already did his sister. :lmao

You would make a good deal as a cow.... cheap money

[Malesor89]

Edit.

[Guapo]

You would make a good deal as a cow.... cheap money

So thats what you did with your mom

[Shkembe Chorba]

Sorry, here is the truth:

http://i.imgur.com/mXPF47v.jpg