Polish women of Turanid / Turanoid racial type

[Proto-Shaman]

(some individuals may comprise local influences)

pred. Alpine (Turanid = Europoids with Mongoloid/East Alpine traits) = round face with high/chubby cheekbones, almond-cat eyes/narrow eye shapes, oftenly skinny body...

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/5811/14319468554833167323202.jpg
http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/1465/14932936357809061804942.jpg
http://www.mamazone.pl/media/329109/iga-wyrwal.jpg
http://i.wp.pl/a/f/jpeg/21309/1cos_akpajg5267.jpeg
http://i.wp.pl/a/f/film/033/31/30/0273031.jpg
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/2655/23rq7.png
http://img.fotomody.pl/images/zdjecie/2009/02/15/155_hmiddck9id.jpg
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/3253/paula4tr9.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/32416_583258471691045_721360429_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/293982_273740479315427_1717161787_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/296003_274534635902678_819860624_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/530303_372667036099395_1174939546_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/538719_528840497132843_1994273040_n.jpg
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/1/9754/z9754821Q,Honorata-Skarbek.jpg
http://cdn3.asteroid.pl/c13/a.fotka.pl/087/235/87235892_800_s.jpg?add=1358157716
http://cdn3.asteroid.pl/c15/a.fotka.pl/090/102/90102054_800_s.jpg?add=1365677284
http://cdn2.asteroid.pl/c10/a.fotka.pl/090/982/90982389_800_s.jpg?add=1366632433
http://cdn3.asteroid.pl/c14/a.fotka.pl/091/041/91041193_800_s.jpg?add=1367299930
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/6113/68463475372042485602128.jpg
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/7805/mangdaeasternmodelsniko.jpg

[Proto-Shaman]

http://m3.img.libdd.com/farm4/2013/0212/12/72897545799CFAFDEB2CDA1C49F050B95F86505D0173E_800_ 1021.jpg
http://s6.postimg.org/9g6l8i5dt/77e48220bc9811e192e91231381b3d7a_7.jpg
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=33379&d=1367969256http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=33376&d=1367969088
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=33377&d=1367969088
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=33378&d=1367969256
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=33374&d=1367968644http://1-ps.googleusercontent.com/x/www.fashionmodeldirectory.com/images.fashionmodeldirectory.com/model/x000000270877-Aleksandra_Oglaza-modelprofileMainPicCropped.jpg.pagespeed.ic.Rky3_3 3hMh.jpg
http://www.vertexvolley.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/skowronska_bliskie470.jpeg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-9Dd1dXYa_pE/R92XLpz_tdI/AAAAAAAADGo/7zUc9iVqcVA/s512/IMG_0395.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/--vsq_jEaLzE/R92XBpz_s_I/AAAAAAAADC4/CIQ_TFq6Ykk/s640/IMG_0181.jpg

[Pallantides]

Where is the "none, 0%" option?

[Proto-Shaman]

Where is the "none, 0%" option?
beyond consideration

[Pallantides]

What exactly is it that you consider to be 'Turanid' Mitochondrial DNA?

[Proto-Shaman]

What exactly is it that you consider to be 'Turanid' Mitochondrial DNA?
sth between eastern and western Eurasian mtDNA genes

[Sky earth]

That's East Baltid influence not Turanid. The Polish people have genetically not worth mentioning Mongoloid admixture while "Turanids" are half "Mongoloids". I don't believe in subraces but I consider Turanids as biracial neither Caucasoid nor Mongoloid

[ButlerKing]

Any mongoloid genes in Polish would be way too damn little.

Polish have only 0.016% C3, 1% Q and 1.5% mtDNA D. Way too insignificant to show it on their face at all.

[Pecheneg]

I honestly can't see anything Turanid about them, you're probably confusing it with East-Baltid or you have a very interesting & different concept of "Turanid".



Only this one seems to have some Turanid influence.
http://s6.postimg.org/9g6l8i5dt/77e48220bc9811e192e91231381b3d7a_7.jpg

[Pallantides]

http://i.imgur.com/8OPnZly.jpg

[Proto-Shaman]

Any mongoloid genes in Polish would be way too damn little.

Polish have only 0.016% C3, 1% Q and 1.5% mtDNA D. Way too insignificant to show it on their face at all.
This would make 2,5% mongoloid mtDNA, and now it has to be found out which western eurasian mtDNA lines are responsible for the Turanid admixure. This is damn difficult.

[Mans not hot]

I can tell Turkish Turanids and Polish ''Turanids'' apart easily. Come to London and you will see for yourself. :laugh:

[ButlerKing]

This would make 2,5% mongoloid mtDNA, and now it has to be found out which western eurasian mtDNA lines are responsible for the Turanid admixure. This is damn difficult.


Mongoloid mtDNA is only 1.5% and Mongoloid Y-DNA is only 1.016%.

Most likely almost all of them were from Turanid admixture but I bet is no more than 5 % even if we in include all the western Eurasian DNA that had turanid admixture and this is all just guessing.

[Mans not hot]

Butlerking, you're boring and retarded troll.

[Pallantides]

In regards to aDNA, Poles score close to zero East Eurasian admixture.

[ButlerKing]

Butlerking, you're boring and retarded troll.

I speak only based on genetic evidence. Autosomal DNA shows some polish have 1-3% Mongoloid DNA on average

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/9918/eeuk6.png

[Pallantides]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-E7FSQjgXIkI/TybKSHs8BhI/AAAAAAAAEb0/EFVxw--IEVU/s1600/_12.png

Dodecad K12b (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArJDEoCgzRKedEY4Y3lTUVBaaFp0bC1zZlBDcTZEY lE#gid=0)

[Tanais]

At least ten of your posted pictures are actually more East Baltid. The rest are Turanid influenced. And some are indeed Turanid. But I dont think that there is a noticeable Turanid impact in Poland, the vast majority are simply Nordid/Alpine/Atlantid/East-Baltid.

[AseNa]

I honestly can't see anything Turanid about them, you're probably confusing it with East-Baltid or you have a very interesting & different concept of "Turanid".



Only this one seems to have some Turanid influence.
http://s6.postimg.org/9g6l8i5dt/77e48220bc9811e192e91231381b3d7a_7.jpg



it´s my opinion too!

[Proto-Shaman]

... or you have a very interesting & different concept of "Turanid"
Yes I have :)

Only this one seems to have some Turanid influence.
http://s6.postimg.org/9g6l8i5dt/77e48220bc9811e192e91231381b3d7a_7.jpg
She is definitely the most Turanid I've ever seen from Poland.
http://xaxor.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Weronika-Dus-Nikolay-Biryukov5.jpg

[aherne]

Only this one seems to have some Turanid influence.
http://s6.postimg.org/9g6l8i5dt/77e48220bc9811e192e91231381b3d7a_7.jpg

Correct, but considering her Northern European pigmentation she may just be an atypical Uralid... She can pass EASILY as Norwegian. Far easier to find Turanid Romanians than Poles. Poles had pretty much no Turkic admixture...

[Cern]

Baltid-Gorid = Turanid? :no000000:

[Proto-Shaman]

Baltid-Gorid = Turanid? :no000000:
According to your own Anhtropologists your country is made of 24% Turanid admixure.

[Dacul]

Well what is Turanic for you?
Are East Baltid influenced people Turanics?
Poles are missing East Asian and North Asian admixture,to have from where to get Turanic look.

[Arbërori]

That girl has got East Baltid or in some cases Pontid eyes, nothing Turanid about her, sorry. :lol:

[Proto-Shaman]

That girl has got East Baltid or in some cases Pontid eyes, nothing Turanid about her, sorry. :lol:
dream on :wavey001:

[King Claus]

Stupid rideculous troll thread, Fucker, you make mordid mad .

[Dacul]

dream on :wavey001:

He just has an opinion that is not same as yours.
I do not find any Turanid in Polish women,but a influence like at women from Iceland.Now,Sami people are not Turanic people.
I have already told XX is possible some Norwegians emigrated to Poland,in the past.For example,that lady you posted as typical Turanic can pass un-noticed as Finnish woman or woman from Iceland:
http://s6.postimg.org/9g6l8i5dt/77e48220bc9811e192e91231381b3d7a_7.jpg

[Dombra]

So this is the thread that started all the riots XD

Why are the Lapps not the Türanic Ogs? :p

[Proto-Shaman]

He just has an opinion that is not same as yours.
I do not find any Turanid in Polish women,but a influence like at women from Iceland.Now,Sami people are not Turanic people.
I have already told XX is possible some Norwegians emigrated to Poland,in the past.For example,that lady you posted as typical Turanic can pass un-noticed as Finnish woman or woman from Iceland
of course Saami have different anhtropology. About others opinions... well yes... they can have.. and its ok.

[Dacul]

Ye,Poles have some people looking Finnic (Sami are Finnic people) that is the thing,not looking Turanic,lol.
Turanid = not same with Finnic.
I think is same about Hungary,they have people looking Finnic,not people looking Turanid.
Those so called "Turanic looking women" from Hungary from those anthropology manuals are actually so "Turanic" that they could pass as Sami women un-noticed,so here is their origin.
If you want to see Turanic looking people in Europe,search in Bulgaria,or in Romania.

[Arbërori]

The 'Turanic' people in Bulgaria and Romania are extremely rare, it's a Pontid thing (the slightly small eyes).

[Arbërori]

dream on :wavey001:

No, you dream on. She looks perfectly European, too beautiful to be Turanid. :wink

[Hoca]

LOL this thread was the causal effect why xtra got his privileges stripped. He tried to ban Kipcak for starting this thread.

[Szegedist]

Ye,Poles have some people looking Finnic (Sami are Finnic people) that is the thing,not looking Turanic,lol.
Turanid = not same with Finnic.
I think is same about Hungary,they have people looking Finnic,not people looking Turanid.
Those so called "Turanic looking women" from Hungary from those anthropology manuals are actually so "Turanic" that they could pass as Sami women un-noticed,so here is their origin.
If you want to see Turanic looking people in Europe,search in Bulgaria,or in Romania.

What a load of bullshit. Once again, you never never seen a Hungarian in your life, and probably never crawled out of your basement in Buchuresti.

[Dacul]

The 'Turanic' people in Bulgaria and Romania are extremely rare, it's a Pontid thing (the slightly small eyes).

Romania actually have more maternal DNA from Altay,than Turkey.
We are more Altayans,than Turks,who are Caucasians,giving a bad name to Altayan people because of what education they have,Imperialist education,not because they are Caucasians.
How many turks likes mountains?
Very few.
But lots of Romanians,like mountains.

[Dacul]

What a load of bullshit. Once again, you never never seen a Hungarian in your life, and probably never crawled out of your basement in Buchuresti.
Lol,I was actually talking about the pictures of some women from Hungary.
As for seeing Hungarians,are you noob,we even have Hungarian party in Romania Parliament,what are you saying about?
http://www.rmdsz.ro/
Here some of them:
http://www.dahr.ro/organisation/chamber-of-deputies-group
Lol,are you living in another world?
Sure I have seen Hungarians in real life,even shake hand with them.
I even have 2nd degree cousin who is half hungarian,as I already told and my aunt by alliance and godmother is half-hungarian.
(they are both Christian orthodox as religion).

[Szegedist]

No, you dream on. She looks perfectly European, too beautiful to be Turanid. :wink

I disagree with you here, there are nice looking Central Asian girls ;)

[Szegedist]

Lol,I was actually talking about the pictures of some women from Hungary.
As for seeing Hungarians,are you noob,we even have Hungarian party in Romania Parliament,what are you saying about?
http://www.rmdsz.ro/
Here some of them:
http://www.dahr.ro/organisation/chamber-of-deputies-group
Lol,are you living in another world?
Sure I have seen Hungarians in real life,even shake hand with them.
I even have 2nd degree cousin who is half hungarian,as I already told and my aunt by alliance and godmother is half-hungarian.

Thank God you have no Hungarian blood.

[Proto-Shaman]

so many trolls here :grumpy:

[DebtCollector]

Ye,Poles have some people looking Finnic (Sami are Finnic people) that is the thing,not looking Turanic,lol.
Turanid = not same with Finnic.
I think is same about Hungary,they have people looking Finnic,not people looking Turanid.
Those so called "Turanic looking women" from Hungary from those anthropology manuals are actually so "Turanic" that they could pass as Sami women un-noticed,so here is their origin.
If you want to see Turanic looking people in Europe,search in Bulgaria,or in Romania.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnic_languages

:picard2:

[RussiaPrussia]

turanic logic=


1-5% turanic features in european folks = worth a thread



40-90% caucasian features in turkic people = doesnt exist



http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7wizy1mEW1rpjv1mo1_500.jpg

http://pastmist.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/blond-mongol-girl.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3059/2855455513_d3d620b914.jpg

http://www.alt-ana.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/mongols4.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/62/Akhmetov_Rinat_Leonidovich.jpg

[Dacul]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnic_languages

:picard2:
Whatever,Sami people language is Uralic,but still,is from Uralic group.
Finnic languages are sub-group of Uralic languages.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uralic_languages
:laugh:
Come on DebtCollector,is that woman looking finnish or not?
Talking about this one:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?79288-Polish-women-of-Turanid-Turanoid-racial-type&p=1579649#post1579649

[Proto-Shaman]

40-90% caucasian features in turkic people = doesnt exist
Turkic peoples = 70% Caucasoid :rolleyes:

[The Lawspeaker]

0%

[DebtCollector]

Some Finns look like her but I don't think she is distinctively Finnish-looking.

[Proto-Shaman]

Turanics = Dinarics with Steppe-fever.
Dinarics = genetically ripped by Avar and Hunnic Steppe-fever.

[Siberian Cold Breeze]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3059/2855455513_d3d620b914.jpg

This girl is a Hmong ..not Eurasian

Mongolian Caucasian mtDNA is 14.3% AND Y-DNA is 6%.
Mongolian themselves are genetically 81-95% Mongoloid, east Mongolians being almost 100% Mongoloid and West Mongolians being a bit below 80% Mongoloid. It's interesting to know that Mongolian also carry 6% Caucasian Y-DNA and most of them are R1a.

[Arbërori]

I disagree with you here, there are nice looking Central Asian girls ;)

Back in Kazahstan, the ones in Turkey are quite hairy and are into their cousins...

[Dacul]

Why no Pole is participating in this thread?

[Proto-Shaman]

Back in Kazahstan, the ones in Turkey are quite hairy and are into their cousins...
Interesting DNA chart shows very strong link btw British, Central Asian Turkic and Anatolian Turkish mtDNA (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?79111-Interesting-DNA-chart-shows-very-strong-link-btw-British-Central-Asian-Turkic-and-Anatolian-mtDNA)

[Proto-Shaman]

Why no Pole is participating in this thread?
Turks, Turanic topic :icon_ask: & Poles = :action-smiley-043:

[Arbërori]

Interesting DNA chart shows very strong link btw British, Central Asian Turkic and Anatolian Turkish mtDNA (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?79111-Interesting-DNA-chart-shows-very-strong-link-btw-British-Central-Asian-Turkic-and-Anatolian-mtDNA)

:picard2:

[Proto-Shaman]

:picard2:

Sorry, what did you say?

:bored0:

[MarkyMark]

Sorry, what did you say?

:bored0:
*Sigh* She said :picard2:

[Proto-Shaman]

Håkan
I am at the same level of knowledge as you are.

[Pallantides]

Håkan

Håkan Hellström?
http://gfx.aftonbladet-cdn.se/image/16432196/411/normal/1a951fb1bc2d1/H%C3%A5kan+Hellstr%C3%B6m

[Roy]

:ranger:

[Proto-Shaman]

Håkan Hellström?
http://gfx.aftonbladet-cdn.se/image/16432196/411/normal/1a951fb1bc2d1/H%C3%A5kan+Hellstr%C3%B6m
Hakan von Tyskland
http://www.klatschheftli.ch/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/haki-foto_yakin.jpg

[Mans not hot]

No chinky admixture in Poland (http://polishgenes.blogspot.com.au/2013/03/no-mongolian-admixture-in-poland.html)

[Pallantides]

No chinky admixture in Poland (http://polishgenes.blogspot.com.au/2013/03/no-mongolian-admixture-in-poland.html)



You losers are more distant from the Japs than we are:ner-ner0:

the Polish sample from Lodz and Warsaw (Po) is genetically more distant from the Han Chinese (CHB) and Japanese (JPT) than are the Swedes (Sw), Norwegians (No) and Germans (Ge). The differences aren't big, but they're consistent, which means that at the very least these Poles can't be carrying more East Asian ancestry than the Scandinavian and German samples

[Proto-Shaman]

No chinky admixture in Poland (http://polishgenes.blogspot.com.au/2013/03/no-mongolian-admixture-in-poland.html)

Nice hobby blog
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6088269824/h1108ECA5/

[Mans not hot]

Nice hobby blog
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6088269824/h1108ECA5/
This blog is made by Polako, not me, retarded.

[Proto-Shaman]

This blog is made by Polako, not me, retarded.
Polako don't know anything.

[Mans not hot]

Polako don't know anything.
And you know everything? Haha, priceless.

[Roy]

There are no Polish girls with Turanid phenotype unless you mean Polish tatar girls :)



http://grafik.rp.pl/grafika2/619711,641731,16.jpg

[Proto-Shaman]

There are no Polish girls with Turanid phenotype unless you mean Polish tatar girls :)



http://grafik.rp.pl/grafika2/619711,641731,16.jpg
Those Tatar girls even don't look Turanid.

[Mans not hot]

Those Tatar girls even don't look Turanid.
They look more Turanid than Polish women examples you posted.

[Proto-Shaman]

They look more Turanid than Polish women examples you posted.
tell me your classification criterias.

[Mans not hot]

tell me your classification criterias.
Im not Agrippa, sorry.

[Proto-Shaman]

Im not Agrippa, sorry.
thanks for the acknowledgment

[RussiaPrussia]

Turkic peoples = 70% Caucasoid :rolleyes:

doesnt make it them caucasian? :picard2:

[Proto-Shaman]

doesnt make it them caucasian? :picard2:
Russian logic in a nutshell?

[Tanais]

Turks, Turanic topic :icon_ask: & Poles = :action-smiley-043:
= Drama

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-DvPXWc9R_1w/Tk2-Y7CTfGI/AAAAAAAAAIw/MbzjFJfQ1OI/s400/asterix-fight.jpg

[Proto-Shaman]

= Drama

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-DvPXWc9R_1w/Tk2-Y7CTfGI/AAAAAAAAAIw/MbzjFJfQ1OI/s400/asterix-fight.jpg
it's entertainment for Apricity: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?79328-Drama-Thread
http://www.sat1.ch/var/storage/images/media/images/import/asterix-obelix-gegen-caesar/roemer-bei-obelix-gerard-depardieu-vorne-l-asterix-christian-clavier-vorne-m-und-ihren-freunden-ist-die-freude-gross-denn-frischfleisch-steht-vor-den-toren-ihres-dorfes-und-selbiges-will-weichgeklopft-werden/wide-image/6011089-1-ger-DE/wide_image_teaser_620x250.jpg

[Pallantides]

Polako don't know anything.

...
His blogs says otherwise.

[Proto-Shaman]

...
His blogs says otherwise.
His blog comprises not even one word about Andronovo/Karasuk/Tagar/Tashtyk R1a1 or Turanids.

[Proto-Shaman]

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=26207&d=1358807011
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=26206&d=1358807011

[Proto-Shaman]

"Figure 2 shows that the current distribution pattern of the Y-STR haplotypes found in our ancient sample resembles that of R1a1. Indeed, they were observed at high frequencies in Slavic and Baltic populations (with peaks among Poland and Czech Republic) as well as in the indigenous populations of south Siberia. By contrast, they were only sporadically observed in central and east Asia and were absent in western Europe (which is consistent with the known historical events of the last 2 millennia). [...] The S24/S34 haplotype is mainly found in Poland and Germany (In the Late Antique time, territories of both Poland and eastern Germany had significant Türkic presence, which may explain their falling into a single class. Poland had a considerable influx of Türkic people in the Middle Age, but Germany did not.) In Asia it is found in Anatolia, Armenia, Nepal and India (Except for Nepal, three others had significant Türkic presence). Indeed, the R1a1 haplogroup frequency reaches a maximum in Poland, Hungary, and Ukraine and decreases in the direction of central and northern Europe (together with associated traits of light hair/eye pigmentation and lactose tolerance). [...] The S10/ S16 haplotype is also found in eastern Europe (Hungary, Slovenia, Poland) as well as in Asia (Central Anatolia) (All these had a Türkic admixture). [...] According to Pericic et al. (2005), the present distribution pattern of the R1a1 haplogroup was probably also influenced by much later migratory events like massive Slavic migration from fifth century AD (who at the time were ruled by Türkic Huns, Avars, Bulgars, intermingled with them, and spoke Turkified dialects of the Baltic languages. The omission of the very historical Huns, Avars, Bulgars, Khazars, Magyars, Badjanaks, Oguzes, Kipchaks, Mongolo-Tatar Kipchaks, that changed the face of the Eastern and Central Europe, and enormously affected the demography and genetical composition of these areas, is notoriously and glaringly missing from the official Russian historiography, and makes a mockery of a scientific discourse. It appears that propagation of intentional blindness has not abated in the beginning of the third millennia. The accepted norms of scientific and personal decency would require abandoning the blinds and demonstrate a smattering of objectivity). [...] Regarding the mtDNA analyses, our findings indicate that the ancient Krasnoyarsk mtDNA pool harbored both western and eastern Eurasian lineages. Nevertheless, most of the retrieved sequences (n = 20, 77%) belong to western Eurasian mtDNA haplogroups (HV, H, T, I, U and K). The eastern Eurasian lineages (23% of the sequences) were represented by haplogroups or subhapologroups C, Z, G2a, F1b and N9a."

http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/60_Genetics/KeyserDNASiberianKurgan2009En.htm

[Mans not hot]

Kidchap and his fairy tale.

[Proto-Shaman]

Kidchap and his fairy tale.
XtraXavier and his desillusion revealed:

http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/60_Genetics/KeyserDNASiberianKurgan2009En.htm

[Hevo]

http://chanarchive.org/content/41_adv/6861044/1310406486130.jpg

[Proto-Shaman]

http://chanarchive.org/content/41_adv/6861044/1310406486130.jpg
another troll...
http://mlkshk.com/r/1BN7

[Mans not hot]

XtraXavier and his desillusion revealed:

http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/60_Genetics/KeyserDNASiberianKurgan2009En.htm
Its ''disillusion'', dyslexidiot.

[Proto-Shaman]

Its ''disillusion'', dyslexidiot.
so you keep on trolling ?

[Hevo]

another troll...
http://mlkshk.com/r/1BN7

Deal with what?:lol:

[Mans not hot]

so you keep on trolling ?
Till the world ends, hater.

[Proto-Shaman]

Deal with what?:lol:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?79288-Polish-women-of-Turanid-Turanoid-racial-type&p=1582618&viewfull=1#post1582618

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/images/smilies/lol.gifhttp://www.theapricity.com/forum/images/smilies/lol.gifhttp://www.theapricity.com/forum/images/smilies/lol.gifhttp://www.theapricity.com/forum/images/smilies/lol.gif

[Proto-Shaman]

Till the world ends, hater.
I don't hate Poles :rolleyes: but I think you hate Turks ;)

[Mans not hot]

I think you hate Turks ;)
I despite Turks like you and Hoca. You and him are nothing, but double idiot and moron who's spreading the forum with their pathetic posts.

[Hevo]

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?79288-Polish-women-of-Turanid-Turanoid-racial-type&p=1582618&viewfull=1#post1582618

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No chinky admixture in Poland (http://polishgenes.blogspot.com.au/2013/03/no-mongolian-admixture-in-poland.html)

:lol: :lol:

[Lisa]

Turkish trolling again.. Baltid/East Baltid/Alpinoid =/= Turanid .

[ChildOfTheJin]

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?79288-Polish-women-of-Turanid-Turanoid-racial-type&p=1582618&viewfull=1#post1582618

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Soooo Greeks are Turanid?

[Proto-Shaman]

:lol: :lol:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=26206&d=1358807011
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=26207&d=1358807011
≠

No chinky admixture in Poland (http://polishgenes.blogspot.com.au/2013/03/no-mongolian-admixture-in-poland.html)

I know a good doctor for you http://www.theapricity.com/forum/images/smilies/lol.gif

[Proto-Shaman]

I despite Turks like you and Hoca. You and him are nothing, but double idiot and moron who's spreading the forum with their pathetic posts.
you mean scientifically backed up posts and your dumb reactions on it...

[Proto-Shaman]

Soooo Greeks are Turanid?
They have as well Turkic Andronovo/Karasuk/Tagar/Tashtyk R1a1 Turanid frequencies, yes. Any problems with that?

[Proto-Shaman]

Turkish trolling again.. Baltid/East Baltid/Alpinoid =/= Turanid .
wooow another Russian troll :picard1:

East Baltid/Alpinoid = CM Turanid admixures
CM Turanid = East Baltid/Alpinoid admixures

[Velda]

Hello, this thread is quite old, but I have to leave a post, because I checked out the Internet, as I am interested in my mt-DNA and my origin. Then suddenly I found this foto,http://s6.postimg.org/9g6l8i5dt/77e48220bc9811e192e91231381b3d7a_7.jpg that looked like my little sister. I wanted to know, what that is, so I found this website and this discussion.
My sister looks quite like that, my son looks like that http://i35.tinypic.com/1znbi3m.jpg
My grandma is from what is now Poland, my grandfather was a soldier from the former UdSSR (Mongolia) in WW2
Regards.

Please could someone give me an advice, how to do research about my genetics? My daughter e.g. does not look as "asian" as my son.
What is about me? Do I also carry the genes of my grandfather? I dont't understand so much about these things, I read the word "turanid" for the first time today, and when I saw the google-result-pics, I just though: WTF! They ALWAYS told me, my eyes were not pretty, as I was a young girl. I was always told, how to use make up, to make them look "bigger". -.-
I am quite angry, because they are all racists, those who say things like that. I hate them. -.-

[blogen]

Zero Turanid on the pictures. The Turanid type is extremly rare between the Poles. I find only one Polish turanid between the classify picture since I am here. Beata Tadla was she:
http://s1.kozaczek.pl/2013/08/16/beata-tadla1.jpg

And this was a great surprise for me, since her phenotype is a really extremly rare case. Here is a very close Hungarian Alföldi type Turanid, Janicsák Veca:

http://mediapedia.hu/media/image/Janicsak%20Veca.jpg

[Leto]

My grandma is from what is now Poland, my grandfather is a soldier from Russia (Mongolia).

Since when is Mongolia Russia?

[Leto]

Correct, but considering her Northern European pigmentation she may just be an atypical Uralid... She can pass EASILY as Norwegian. Far easier to find Turanid Romanians than Poles. Poles had pretty much no Turkic admixture...
And also Blogen

Zero Turanid on the pictures. The Turanid type is extremly rare between the Poles.
What do you think about this girl from Siberia?

http://firepic.org/images/2015-02/12/r05hwo8xyl4b.jpg (http://firepic.org/)
http://firepic.org/images/2015-02/12/yqpn675glgsg.jpg (http://firepic.org/)
http://firepic.org/images/2015-02/12/3a7fravkpjmb.jpg (http://firepic.org/)

[armenianbodyhair]

Bro science!

[Velda]

Since when is Mongolia Russia?

In WW2 they were part of the UdSSR. They fought with soldiers from Russia.

[Danishmend]

It was this thread that the great battle between Kipchak_Hakan and Mordid took place. A teribble sight it was!

[blogen]

And also Blogen

What do you think about this girl from Siberia?

http://firepic.org/images/2015-02/12/r05hwo8xyl4b.jpg (http://firepic.org/)
http://firepic.org/images/2015-02/12/yqpn675glgsg.jpg (http://firepic.org/)
http://firepic.org/images/2015-02/12/3a7fravkpjmb.jpg (http://firepic.org/)


I think she is clear Europid also. I don't see any sign of the Mongoloid admixture.

[Velda]

Could someone post an example of sign of the Mongoloid admixture. Pics?

[Veneda]

In WW2 they were part of the UdSSR. They fought with soldiers from Russia.

It is interesting how your grandmother who is from 'what is now Poland' met your grandfather who is from Mongolia. Do you know the family story?

[Velda]

Yes, I know: She was a refugee from what is called now Śląsk, former Schlesien on her way to the west. She was not killed like lots of other German women, my grandfather helped her to survive, he protected her, so the was not raped by other soldiers. My mother told me the story of a huge UdSSR-flag, he gave to her, so she could use to make clothes from. Although the soldiers from the asian part of the UdSSR were told to be the worst and cruel of all, my grandfather was not. He fell in love with her, and she got pregnant. She did not tell him. He had to go back, she was not allowed to come with him.
She had to go back to another man, she had been married to. He was shocked, that his wive came back pregnant, but he was too ashamed to admit, that it was not his kid. Because lots of women were raped, he obviously thought, she was raped too, and wanted her to get rid of the child. He gave her red wine to drink and told her to jump from the shed's roof and told her she "knew, what to do". She used a hammer to hit herself at her legs, so that he should think, she would have done it, but she did not do it, so my mother was born. One year later my aunt was born.
They did not look like sisters, but people were quiet about the obvious fact. So that is the story. I would like to know more about my origin, that is why I am here.

[Unome]

Where is the 0% option?

Mongolid mtDNA came to Poland North from Finno-Ugric native tribes or East from Siberia, never Southeast from Turkey.

Turks never stepped one foot in Poland, and never will.

[Unome]

She looks like Jennifer Lawrence:

http://firepic.org/images/2015-02/12/r05hwo8xyl4b.jpg (http://firepic.org/)

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/05/02/article-0-19961D5A000005DC-708_634x758.jpg

[blogen]

Where is the 0% option?
Mongolid mtDNA came to Poland North from Finno-Ugric native tribes or East from Siberia, never Southeast from Turkey.
Turks never stepped one foot in Poland, and never will.

Not true, since there are Tatar settlements in Poland, but I think the main contributors to the very rare Polish Turanids were the Sarmatians.

[Borna]

Okay, after Scythians,Sarmatians,Hungarians,Sumerians, Andronovo, and Kurgan, next victims of "WHEREVER IS SINGLE TURANID FOUND IT IS TURKEY" are Poles.

[Arbërori]

Honestly, I don't see any Turanid influence among these girls. Even the highly atypical one looks like a very Baltid influenced Gorid mix.

But I would like to see Tatars of Poland, although they might be mixed nowadays? Got any examples?

[Alchemysta]

Can't deny poland is turan

[blogen]

Honestly, I don't see any Turanid influence among these girls. Even the highly atypical one looks like a very Baltid influenced Gorid mix.

Nobody see, since they are Baltid and Lappono-Alpionid admixtures. Beata Tadla was the only Polish Turanid example who I saw once. Except Kipcak, who see Turks everywhere.


But I would like to see Tatars of Poland, although they might be mixed nowadays? Got any examples?

http://bohoniki.eu/index.php/galerie/image.raw?type=orig&id=402
http://bohoniki.eu/index.php/galerie/image.raw?type=orig&id=401
http://ocdn.eu/images/pulscms/N2I7MDQsMCw3NSxlMTMsN2VhOzA2LDMyMCwxYzI_/d32ead6b31ac28ea2e5a1386a377a240.jpg
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/4/9125/z9125464X.jpg

[Sandman]

Honestly, I don't see any Turanid influence among these girls. Even the highly atypical one looks like a very Baltid influenced Gorid mix.

But I would like to see Tatars of Poland, although they might be mixed nowadays? Got any examples?

http://www.fakt.pl/m/crop/1200/0/faktonline/635255412598966902.jpg
Katarzyna Pakosińska, she is the Crimean Tatar descent.

[Pahli]

Not true, since there are Tatar settlements in Poland, but I think the main contributors to the very rare Polish Turanids were the Sarmatians.

Sarmatians were not Turanid

[Arbërori]

I see Mongoloid, but they seem to be mixed. They're Muslim?

Katarzyna is definitely mix, she's most likely a Tatar-Polish and Russian mix, could pass as a Russian Tatar.

[blogen]

http://www.fakt.pl/m/crop/1200/0/faktonline/635255412598966902.jpg
Katarzyna Pakosińska, she is the Crimean Tatar descent.

But Katarzyna Pakosińska is Europid, so her Tatar ancestors were Europids too. Not every Tatar are Europo-Mongoloid admixture!

[blogen]

Sarmatians were not Turanid

A part of them were Turanid, since they were Cromagnoids and a minority between them metised based on their remains.

[Pahli]

A part of them were Turanid, since they were Cromagnoids and a minority between them metised based on their remains.

I recall majority of them were almost pure Caucasoid, but some had minor Turanid influence, but those were not that common ...

[blogen]

I recall majority of them were almost pure Caucasoid, but some had minor Turanid influence, but those were not that common ...

Not almost, but pure. 10-20% of them metised only.

[Borna]

I recall majority of them were almost pure Caucasoid, but some had minor Turanid influence, but those were not that common ...

How do you dare to question Lore Master ? When he goes to sleep he puts a book with Europo Mongoloid Hungarian pictures under is pillow, when he wakes up, Hungary is more Mongoloid than Kyrgyzstan.

[Veneda]

Yes, I know: She was a refugee from what is called now Śląsk, former Schlesien on her way to the west. She was not killed like lots of other German women, my grandfather helped her to survive, he protected her, so the was not raped by other soldiers. My mother told me the story of a huge UdSSR-flag, he gave to her, so she could use to make clothes from. Although the soldiers from the asian part of the UdSSR were told to be the worst and cruel of all, my grandfather was not. He fell in love with her, and she got pregnant. She did not tell him. He had to go back, she was not allowed to come with him.
She had to go back to another man, she had been married to. He was shocked, that his wive came back pregnant, but he was too ashamed to admit, that it was not his kid. Because lots of women were raped, he obviously thought, she was raped too, and wanted her to get rid of the child. He gave her red wine to drink and told her to jump from the shed's roof and told her she "knew, what to do". She used a hammer to hit herself at her legs, so that he should think, she would have done it, but she did not do it, so my mother was born. One year later my aunt was born.
They did not look like sisters, but people were quiet about the obvious fact. So that is the story. I would like to know more about my origin, that is why I am here.

So you have German-Mongolian ancestry, am I right? If so, you post in wrong thread.

[Leto]

So you have German-Mongolian ancestry, am I right? If so, you post in wrong thread.
Массовые изнасилования в Германии - это преувеличение. Смесь пропаганды Гёббельса и риторики времён Холодной войны. Что-то могло быть, но статистики явно завышены.

[blogen]

How do you dare to question Lore Master ? When he goes to sleep he puts a book with Europo Mongoloid Hungarian pictures under is pillow, when he wakes up, Hungary is more Mongoloid than Kyrgyzstan.

I sleep with this: Багашев А.Н. Материалы к краниологии сарматов - ВААЭ, 1997 (http://www.ipdn.ru/rics/va/_private/a1/2-bag.pdf)

This was the most interesting part:

"Морфологическое строение черепов, прежде всего женских, свидетельствует о принадлежности их к европеоидной расе. Из особенностей следует отметить большие величины практически всех широтных характеристик, а также сочетание европеоидного строения носа и переносья с уплощенным по горизонтали лицом. Показатель уплощенности лицевого скелета в мужской выборке составил 50,8, преаурикулярный фацио-церебральный указатель — 95,5, условная доля монголоидного компонента — 60,2 %, в женской — соответственно 42,7, 91,2 и 28,7 %. Таким образом, если на женских черепах фиксируется весьма незначительная примесь монголоидных черт, то на мужских она наблюдается вполне отчетливо."

Some other interesting thing about the iron age and ancient steppic Iranians: 1 (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?125767-Nordic-Scythian-myth/page3), 2 (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?125767-Nordic-Scythian-myth&p=2741093&viewfull=1#post2741093).

[Borna]

I sleep with this: Багашев А.Н. Материалы к краниологии сарматов - ВААЭ, 1997 (http://www.ipdn.ru/rics/va/_private/a1/2-bag.pdf)

This was the most interesting part:

"Морфологическое строение черепов, прежде всего женских, свидетельствует о принадлежности их к европеоидной расе. Из особенностей следует отметить большие величины практически всех широтных характеристик, а также сочетание европеоидного строения носа и переносья с уплощенным по горизонтали лицом. Показатель уплощенности лицевого скелета в мужской выборке составил 50,8, преаурикулярный фацио-церебральный указатель — 95,5, условная доля монголоидного компонента — 60,2 %, в женской — соответственно 42,7, 91,2 и 28,7 %. Таким образом, если на женских черепах фиксируется весьма незначительная примесь монголоидных черт, то на мужских она наблюдается вполне отчетливо."

Some other interesting thing about the iron age and ancient steppic Iranians: 1 (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?125767-Nordic-Scythian-myth/page3), 2 (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?125767-Nordic-Scythian-myth&p=2741093&viewfull=1#post2741093).

HUNGARIANS ARE NOT MONGOLOID NOR HAVE MONGOLOID ADMIXTURE.
How come you can't understand such simple fact i don't get it..

[blogen]

HUNGARIANS ARE NOT MONGOLOID NOR HAVE MONGOLOID ADMIXTURE.
How come you can't understand such simple fact i don't get it..

Because I read books and publications about the physical anthropology. :)

[Leto]

HUNGARIANS ARE NOT MONGOLOID NOR HAVE MONGOLOID ADMIXTURE.
How come you can't understand such simple fact i don't get it..
Blogen has never posted his photograph. I'd love to see his Turanid/Europo-Mongoloid face.:rolleyes:

[Antimage]

us hungarians are proud europo-mongoloids! turan forever!

[Borna]

Blogen has never posted his photograph. I'd love to see his Turanid/Europo-Mongoloid face.:rolleyes:

What if Blogen is Hallstatt Nordic (I genuinely believe Blogen has 0 Mong admixture) :D

[Pahli]

us hungarians are proud europo-mongoloids! turan forever!

I know Hungarians that aren't mongoloid lol

[Borna]

Because I read books and publications about the physical anthropology. :)

Stop reading poliicaly motivated surveys and go outside. I was in Budapest several times, i had no impression i am in Kazakhstan.


I know Hungarians that aren't mongoloid lol

Everyone does.

[blogen]

Stop reading poliicaly motivated surveys and go outside.

Maybe this is your experience about the Croatian science or whatever in the Balkan, but this is not exist in Hungary. And an anthropological sourvey is pure metrics, so a political motivation is impossible. The falsification of the data is the only way to falsificate an anthropological examination, but we talk about the whole Hungarian anthropology, the Academy of Science and the great Universities in this case, so this is impossible, because of the constant critical methodology.


I was in Budapest several times, i had no impression i am in Kazakhstan.

Because Budapest is not a Kazah city, but how connected to this?

[Borna]

Maybe this is your experience about the Croatian science or whatever in the Balkan, but this is not exist in Hungary. And an anthropological sourvey is pure metrics, so a political motivation is impossible. The falsification of the data is the only way to falsificate an anthropological examination, but we talk about the whole Hungarian anthropology, the Academy of Science and the great Universities in this case, so this is impossible, because of the constant critical methodology.

Then what with Hungarians who dispute your claims ? Stears for example, or other Hungarians that don't consider themselves Mongoloid?





Because Budapest is not a Kazah city, but how connected to this?


According to your stories wast majority of Hungarians are Europo-Mongoloids. I did not see Mongoloid admixtured people in Hungary, or not in any larger quantity than i have seen in Czechs, Ukrainians, Slovaks or Poles, and i have visited every single country of Central Europe.


Blogen, embrace your narrow faced, tall forehead Corded Nordid element.

[blogen]

Then what with Hungarians who dispute your claims ? Stears for example, or other Hungarians that don't consider themselves Mongoloid?
I did not see Mongoloid admixtured people in Hungary, or not in any larger quantity than i have seen in Czechs, Ukrainians, Slovaks or Poles, and i have visited every single country of Central Europe.

Stears are Hungarian? Since when? Anyway, the average peoples don't know nothing about the physical anthropology, even in here. For example you! Not a surprise, that many people not knows the basic signs of the Europo-Mongoloid metisation.


According to your stories wast majority of Hungarians are Europo-Mongoloids.

I don't have stories here, I quoted the scientific publications only. And anything other is your problem, since argue with ignorant peoples about the anthropology is very boring for me. If you want to know what means the metisation, then read something about this!

[Veneda]

Массовые изнасилования в Германии - это преувеличение. Смесь пропаганды Гёббельса и риторики времён Холодной войны. Что-то могло быть, но статистики явно завышены.

Da, ya znаю. Na moy wzglyad wsya eta istoriya wysosana iz pal'tsa. Местами, mne ne xotelos' yey werit'

Izwini moy medxuslavianski. To tak specyalno :D

[Stears]

Then what with Hungarians who dispute your claims ? Stears for example, or other Hungarians that don't consider themselves Mongoloid? According to your stories wast majority of Hungarians are Europo-Mongoloids. I did not see Mongoloid admixtured people in Hungary, or not in any larger quantity than i have seen in Czechs, Ukrainians, Slovaks or Poles, and i have visited every single country of Central Europe. Blogen, embrace your narrow faced, tall forehead Corded Nordid element. Blogen belongst to the Jassic (Iranian) minority of Hungary. Many of this iranians (The ALANS) settled in Paris Ile-de France and Cote D'azur and in Spain, others are the Ossetians. So he is a minority in Hungary with special identity. Their material culture and look is different from Hungarians, despie that they spoke Hungarian as their mother tongue since the 18th century. So do not call him ethnic Hungarian.

[Instinct]

Blogen belongst to the Jassic (Iranian) minority of Hungary. Many of this iranians (The ALANS) settled in Paris Ile-de France and Cote D'azur and in Spain, others are the Ossetians. So he is a minority in Hungary with special identity. Their material culture and look is different from Hungarians, despie that they spoke Hungarian as their mother tongue since the 18th century. So do not call him ethnic Hungarian.
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=7419&dateline=1423604820

[Stears]

Stears are Hungarian? Since when? Anyway, the average peoples don't know nothing about the physical anthropology, even in here. For example you! Not a surprise, that many people not knows the basic signs of the Europo-Mongoloid metisation. I don't have stories here, I quoted the scientific publications only. And anything other is your problem, since argue with ignorant peoples about the anthropology is very boring for me. If you want to know what means the metisation, then read something about this! Interestingly, nobody saw your europo-mongoloid people in Hungary, there are only few in NEO-Cuman minority areas (who are also mixed with swarthy serbs and romanians which caused also their weird look) You have never read genetical studies, because both Northern Germanic speaking nations (incl: N-Germany) and Slavic people contain higher ratio of mongoloid haplogroup markers than Hungarians.

[Stears]

The most laughable thing about blogen: He is trying to be a conservative man despite his worker-class proletarian or agrarian-proletarian family background. He have never had enough brain to go to a grammar school and university, he remained a workman like his primitive parents.

[Borna]

I don't think Blogen is a bad person, he has knowledge but i think it is wrong knowledge.
I asked him can i pass in Hungary and all he answered me that Europo Mongoloids can't be doliocephalic ?

[Stears]

I don't think Blogen is a bad person, he has knowledge but i think it is wrong knowledge. I asked him can i pass in Hungary and all he answered me that Europo Mongoloids can't be doliocephalic ? He tries ratiocinate as a worker class self-educated primitive man. And it makes a lot of problem (and fun)

[Stears]

I can imagine him with laughable white Jassic skirt-pants. Their material culture is not Hungarian. Watch them:))) It is hard to make differences between romanian or serbian and a Jassic in Hungary. Their faces are also weird in Hungary. It is easy to pick up a Jassic or cuman minority man in Hungary. That's why blogen likes all pseudosciences about eastern turanism, but he always forget to mention, that he and them are only Hungarian-speaking minorities in Hungary.
http://www.tankonyvtar.hu/en/tartalom/tkt/magyar-neprajz-magyar/images/00757.jpg http://knp.nemzetipark.gov.hu/_user/oldal_images/gulyasverseny/IMG_1303.JPG

[Stears]

PFFF: ))))))))))))))))))))))))))
They can pass in Vallachia, do you see the monkey faces?

http://mek.oszk.hu/04700/04755/html/img/szolndob-05-019.jpg

[Stears]

There are no secrets, In Blogen's minority reserve area these weird faces or okay, but they are weird and foreigner for ethnic Hungarians. That's why turan fantasy is normal for him, and brutal type of look for ethnic Hungarians.

[blogen]

I don't think Blogen is a bad person, he has knowledge but i think it is wrong knowledge.
I asked him can i pass in Hungary and all he answered me that Europo Mongoloids can't be doliocephalic ?

You asked it, that may a dolicocephalic guy be an Europo-Mongoloid? That means, you are extremly ignorant or that was a bad joke and you wasted my time.

[Faklon]

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=7419&dateline=1423604820

Reduced Europo-Mongoloid with an archaic Uralic element.

[Borna]

You asked it, that may a dolicocephalic guy be an Europo-Mongoloid? That means, you are extremly ignorant or that was a bad joke and you wasted my time.

I did not want to waste your time! I asked you to classify me and say can i pass as Hungarian, i added joke about Europo Mongoloid realm, i am sorry if you got hurt or whatever.

[Stears]

Reduced Europo-Mongoloid with an archaic Uralic element. There are no uralid look people in Hungary. Even the most weird turanist websites do not support your fantasy. You are weird look people for real europeans. But not only your facial features and pigmentation are weird for real european white people, but your balkanic genetic make-up also non-european (High ratio of negroid E1B1 and middle-eastern J haplogroups in neo-fake-Greek population cause your less european look. You look like a christian version of turkey.

[Pahli]

Blogen belongst to the Jassic (Iranian) minority of Hungary. Many of this iranians (The ALANS) settled in Paris Ile-de France and Cote D'azur and in Spain, others are the Ossetians. So he is a minority in Hungary with special identity. Their material culture and look is different from Hungarians, despie that they spoke Hungarian as their mother tongue since the 18th century. So do not call him ethnic Hungarian.

If what you say is correct, why the fuck does he support so many mongoloid theories, even Iranian Alans were not Mongoloid ... I don't get.

[Kastrioti1443]

What a fucked up ridiculous thread.

[Instinct]

There are no uralid look people in Hungary. Even the most weird turanist websited do not support your fantasy. You are weird look people for real europeans. But not only your facial features and pigmentation are weird for real european white people, but your balkanic genetic make-up also non-european (High ratio of negroid E1B1 and middle-eastern J haplogroups in neo-fake-Greek population cause your less european look

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=7419&dateline=1423604820

[Stears]

If what you say is correct, why the fuck does he support so many mongoloid theories, even Iranian Alans were not Mongoloid ... I don't get. But their villages are close to the villages of neo-cumans. He pasted a minority man from jassic-cuman reserve area as his avatar.

[Instinct]

There are no uralid look people in Hungary. Even the most weird turanist websited do not support your fantasy. You are weird look people for real europeans. But not only your facial features and pigmentation are weird for real european white people, but your balkanic genetic make-up also non-european (High ratio of negroid E1B1 and middle-eastern J haplogroups in neo-fake-Greek population cause your less european look. You look like a christian version of turkey.

I don't like uneducated people.

xD

[Stears]

I don't like uneducated people. xD Dear Wog gypsy, than commit a suicide.

[Instinct]

But their villages are close to the villages of neo-cumans. He pasted a minority man from jassic-cuman reserve area as his avatar.

I don't like proletarians (craftsmen workmen) and their primitive descendants.

[Velda]

Массовые изнасилования в Германии - это преувеличение. Смесь пропаганды Гёббельса и риторики времён Холодной войны. Что-то могло быть, но статистики явно завышены.

My grandma told my ma, what happened, and what they did. This was no Propaganda, because it happened 1945, after WW2. Check out wikipedia: "Schlesien" В той части, что в это время 4,5 млн. Schlesier бежали начиная с в начале 1945 года до начала движения вперед Красной Армии.
No one talked about these things in Germany after 1945, it was not taught in school, many people in Germany even don't know about this genocide nowadays. There were lots of kids from those raped women, who were born in 1946. Others were killed. It's like in every war. My mom owns a diary from one of the villages priest, who wrote down: The soldiers forced all German women to stand up in a line, the ones, who seemed ugly to them were shot in the head. If one woman cried because she stood next to one woman, who was killed, they told her to stop that, otherwise, she would also be killed.
The rest was raped. Some woman were afraid to be raped, so they put ashes into their faces to look ugly, after the shootings, they did not put ashes into their faces any more."
That's no lie. Can't imagine, that things like that happen in war? It's not different nowadays.

@Veneda
I don't know about the terms. Does "turan" mean, that one of my great-grand-ancestors was raped by Dschingis Khan?
My grandma was not German, concerning her race, she looked East-European.

Btw. My best friend has ancestors in Hungary. He has the biggest and roundest eyes I have ever seen.

[Instinct]

Dear Wog gypsy, than commit a suicide.

fag.

[Pahli]

But their villages are close to the villages of neo-cumans. He pasted a minority man from jassic-cuman reserve area as his avatar.

Pretty sure pure Jassics don't look weird though xD

But ofc. when they mix with Cumans they're going to look Mongoloid lol

[Leto]

...
I didn't write that for you. Goodbye, girl.

[Faklon]

There are no uralid look people in Hungary. Even the most weird turanist websites do not support your fantasy. You are weird look people for real europeans. But not only your facial features and pigmentation are weird for real european white people, but your balkanic genetic make-up also non-european (High ratio of negroid E1B1 and middle-eastern J haplogroups in neo-fake-Greek population cause your less european look. You look like a christian version of turkey.

Just jk mate,cheer up and stop propagating.

You fit blogen's indo-mediterranean race with lighter than average eyes.

Can pass as a Bollywood star.

[blogen]

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=7419&dateline=1423604820

The guy in the picture is a North-Pontid. Not too frequent type between the Magyars and sign of the Slavic ancestry.

[Pausanias]

The mongolic/hunnic DNA in a lot of germans and poles is clear.

http://iranpoliticsclub.net/maps/images/089%20Hun%20Invasion%20of%20Persian%20Empire%20450 %20Map.jpg

http://uroko.ericwestfall.com/photos/hunempire.jpg

[Pyramidologist]

Maybe this is your experience about the Croatian science or whatever in the Balkan, but this is not exist in Hungary. And an anthropological sourvey is pure metrics, so a political motivation is impossible. The falsification of the data is the only way to falsificate an anthropological examination, but we talk about the whole Hungarian anthropology, the Academy of Science and the great Universities in this case, so this is impossible, because of the constant critical methodology.



Because Budapest is not a Kazah city, but how connected to this?

Blogen is a typology troll (his knowledge on physical anthropology is zilch, he just quote-mines old race typology books in an attempt to look smart).

Laughably Blogen keeps mentioning this university from Hungary. I then checked it out, emailed them, and found what their position on race and typology is: they accept the scientific consensus that race typology is outdated pseudo-science, and that human races don't exist. The anthropological and biological department from the university he is obsessed with - signed a statement to this.

STATEMENT ON RACE
http://www.staff.uni-oldenburg.de/ulrich.kattmann/download/Resengl.pdf


«Races» are traditionally believed to be genetically homogenous and different one
from the other. This definition was developed to describe human diversity associated
e.g. with various geographical locations. However, recent advances in modern
biology based on techniques of molecular genetics and on mathematical models of
population genetics have shown this definition to be totally inadequate. Current
scientific findings do not support the earlier view that human populations can be
classified into discrete «races» like «Africans», «Eurasians» (including «Native
Americans»), or any greater number of subdivisions.
Specifically, between human populations, including smaller groupings, genetic
differences may be detected. These differences tend to increase with geographic
distance, but the basic genetic variation between populations is much less prominent.
This means that human genetic diversity is only gradual and presents no major
discontinuity between populations. Findings supporting this conclusions defy
traditional classification of «races» and make any typological approach totally
inadequate.

- Signed by EIBEN, O., Department of Biology, Eötvös Lorand University, Budapest, Ungarn

[Instinct]

The guy in the picture is a North-Pontid. Not too frequent type between the Magyars and sign of the Slavic ancestry.

Stears is a bollywood star.

[blogen]

The mongolic/hunnic DNA in a lot of germans and poles is clear.
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/maps/images/089%20Hun%20Invasion%20of%20Persian%20Empire%20450 %20Map.jpg
http://uroko.ericwestfall.com/photos/hunempire.jpg

Maybe this is the Hunnic heritage between the Europeans:

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/8690/0tfr.jpg

[Stears]

My grandma told my ma, what happened, and what they did. This was no Propaganda, because it happened 1945, after WW2. Check out wikipedia: "Schlesien" В той части, что в это время 4,5 млн. Schlesier бежали начиная с в начале 1945 года до начала движения вперед Красной Армии. No one talked about these things in Germany after 1945, it was not taught in school, many people in Germany even don't know about this genocide nowadays. There were lots of kids from those raped women, who were born in 1946. Others were killed. It's like in every war. My mom owns a diary from one of the villages priest, who wrote down: The soldiers forced all German women to stand up in a line, the ones, who seemed ugly to them were shot in the head. If one woman cried because she stood next to one woman, who was killed, they told her to stop that, otherwise, she would also be killed. The rest was raped. Some woman were afraid to be raped, so they put ashes into their faces to look ugly, after the shootings, they did not put ashes into their faces any more." That's no lie. Can't imagine, that things like that happen in war? It's not different nowadays. @Veneda I don't know about the terms. Does "turan" mean, that one of my great-grand-ancestors was raped by Dschingis Khan? My grandma was not German, concerning her race, she looked East-European. Btw. My best friend has ancestors in Hungary. He has the biggest and roundest eyes I have ever seen. Turanism was a linguistic belief-system. which became political motivated (fake) racial ideology. According to this linguistic theory: In the Eurasian supercontinent. all people who do not speak IE languages or Semintic languages belong to the third "turanid languages" . Japanese Fins Hungarians Turkic speaking people, the Huns and the ancient Sumerians and even the native americans belong to the turanian group of languages and turanid people. Later this pseudo-science became a racial category too.

[blogen]

Stears is a bollywood star.

Nobody knows who is he in the reality. But presumably a dark dwarf, based on his/her extreme inferiority complex.

[Leto]

STATEMENT ON RACE
http://www.staff.uni-oldenburg.de/ulrich.kattmann/download/Resengl.pdf

proposed by the participants of the Scientific Workshop of the International UNESCO-Conference «Against Racism, Violence, and Discrimination»
Like I've said many times, science is highly politicized.

[Stears]

Yes there are 1-2% central asian "Q" mongoloid marker in many native Western European population, however Hungarians had no this eastern marker.

[blogen]

Blogen is a typology troll (his knowledge on physical anthropology is zilch, he just quote-mines old race typology books in an attempt to look smart).

Laughably Blogen keeps mentioning this university from Hungary. I then checked it out, emailed them, and found what their position on race and typology is: they accept the scientific consensus that race typology is outdated pseudo-science, and that human races don't exist. The anthropological and biological department from the university he is obsessed with - signed a statement to this.

STATEMENT ON RACE
http://www.staff.uni-oldenburg.de/ulrich.kattmann/download/Resengl.pdf
- Signed by EIBEN, O., Department of Biology, Eötvös Lorand University, Budapest, Ungarn

Again this shit. And you not understand what is this in the reality, so this is your problem here. :D

[Stears]

Nobody knows who is he in the reality. But presumably a dark dwarf, based on his/her extreme inferiority complex. You have inferiority complexes, because you know that you are from a weird minority-reserve area.

[Velda]

@Latro Atreides
Does not matter, fits anyway.
Btw: I like your signature: "I know the evil of my ancestors, because I am those people."
I am probably even worse. ;-)

[Instinct]

Nobody knows who is he in the reality. But presumably a dark dwarf, based on his/her extreme inferiority complex.

Yes but what we know about him that he is mentaly retarted.

[Stears]

Yes but what we know about him that he is mentaly retarted. Turkey is home of non.white people with poor third-word infrastructure. Eastern gypsy, calm down.

[Pyramidologist]

Like I've said many times, science is highly politicized.

You don't understand the basics. Repeatedly claiming it is "politicized" when you know nothing is pretty retarded.

[blogen]

Yes but what we know about him that he is mentaly retarted.

This is clear fact. He is the only dark darf with perfect horizontal forehead!

[Leto]

You don't understand the basics. Repeatedly claiming it is "politicized" when you know nothing is pretty retarded.
They constantly repeat that there is no race and that we're all the same, because racism doesn't fit in the leftist political agenda. I'm not a scientist, though I believe that we are not equal, we're different (not necessarily in the racial sense).

[Instinct]

Turkey is home of non.white people with poor third-word infrastructure. Eastern gypsy, calm down.

There are more gypsies in Hungary. Probably you are one of them, you should claim a gypsy ancestry to get residence permit in Canada dude so many European Hungarians do.

[StonyArabia]

Blogen is a typology troll (his knowledge on physical anthropology is zilch, he just quote-mines old race typology books in an attempt to look smart).

Laughably Blogen keeps mentioning this university from Hungary. I then checked it out, emailed them, and found what their position on race and typology is: they accept the scientific consensus that race typology is outdated pseudo-science, and that human races don't exist. The anthropological and biological department from the university he is obsessed with - signed a statement to this.

STATEMENT ON RACE
http://www.staff.uni-oldenburg.de/ulrich.kattmann/download/Resengl.pdf


So true this real science not the wackjob of the racialist/WN idiots.
-Budapest, Un

[Stears]

There are more gypsies in Hungary. Probably you are one of them, you should claim a gypsy ancestry to get residence permit in Canada dude so many European Hungarians do. The problem that you middle-easterners mixed with gypsies. It is hard to make difference between Turkish and gypsy people for white Europeans.

[Borna]

Blogen is a typology troll (his knowledge on physical anthropology is zilch, he just quote-mines old race typology books in an attempt to look smart).

Laughably Blogen keeps mentioning this university from Hungary. I then checked it out, emailed them, and found what their position on race and typology is: they accept the scientific consensus that race typology is outdated pseudo-science, and that human races don't exist. The anthropological and biological department from the university he is obsessed with - signed a statement to this.

STATEMENT ON RACE
http://www.staff.uni-oldenburg.de/ulrich.kattmann/download/Resengl.pdf



- Signed by EIBEN, O., Department of Biology, Eötvös Lorand University, Budapest, Ungarn

I am laughing so hard now, did you really send an email to university because of work they did 80 years ago or someting like that?

[Trun]

The 'Turanic' people in Bulgaria and Romania are extremely rare, it's a Pontid thing (the slightly small eyes).

Pontids usually have large almond-shaped eyes. Small eyes are CM feature.

In Northeastern Bulgaria Turanids aren't that uncommon, present mostly among women.

[Instinct]

The problem that you middle-easterners mixed with gypsies. It is hard to make difference between Turkish and gypsy people for white Europeans.

You are starving in your country. Many European Hungarians are in Canada, with refugee permission.

Why don't you get a refugee status in Canada? It's so simple, you should only expose your gypsy ancestry.

[blogen]

I am laughing so hard now, did you really send an email to university because of work they did 80 years ago or someting like that?

The great problem with he is that, he not understand, that political discourse about the racism not affected the racial typology in the reality. This is a postmodern discourse about the nothing, a game with the words, without any relevant statement. For example I agree with all of the scientific statements of these texts.

[Leto]

So true this real science not the wackjob of the racialist/WN idiots.
The problem is that you are an idiot too in this case, you are obsessed with that typology stuff more than many others.

[blogen]

So true this real science not the wackjob of the racialist/WN idiots.
-Budapest, Un

Of course not. But the racial typology, the anthropometry and the other scientific methods are part of the course (http://antropologia.elte.hu/~anthrop/oktatas.html) in this university and the racial classification of the bones after an archaeological excavation and the publication of the results is everyday practice in the Hungarian museums.

[Stears]

Who signed that university paper?

Probably the contemporary top anthropologists and geneticists. The top of the elite. Blogen will commit suicide? Because his 60-100 years old books give him an other world view? :))))))

Just simply look and read the names:


The following scientists participated in the workshop and accepted the statement
CAVALLI-SFORZA, L. L., Stanford University of Medicine, California, USA
CHARLESWORTH, W., Institute of Child Development, University of Minnesota, USA
CHIARELLI, B., Intituto di Antropologia, Universita degli Studi die Firenze, Italien
DITTAMI, J., Institut für Zoologie, Universität Wien, Österreich
EIBEN, O., Department of Biology, Eötvös Lorand University, Budapest, Ungarn
FALK, D., Department of Anthropology, University of Albany, New York, USA
FREY, S., Laboratorium für Interaktionsforschung, Universität Duisburg, Deutschland
GABAIN, A. VON, Institut für Mikrobiologie und Genetik, Universität Wien, Österreich
GOODMAN, A. H., Department of Anthropology, Hampshire College, School of Natural
Science, Amherst, Massachusetts, USA
GRAMMER, K., Institut für Stadtethologie, Wien, Österreich
JÜRGENS, H. W., Anthropologisches Institut, Neue Universität Kiel, Deutschland
KATTMANN, U., Didaktik der Biologie, Fachbereich Biologie, Universität Oldenburg,
Deutschland

MÜLLER-HILL, B., Institut für Genetik, Universität Köln, Deutschland
PREUSCHOFT, H., Abteilung für funktionelle Anatomie, Universität Bochum, Deutschland
RUDAN, P., Institute for Anthropological Research. University of Zagreb, Kroatien
SEIDLER, H., Institut für Humanbiologie, Universität Wien, Österreich
SJÖLANDER, S., Department of Biology, Linköpings Universitet, Schweden
TIGER, L., Department of Anthropology, University of New Yersey, New Yersey, USA

[Stears]

The great problem with he is that, he not understand, that political discourse about the racism not affected the racial typology in the reality. This is a postmodern discourse about the nothing, a game with the words, without any relevant statement. For example I agree with all of the scientific statements of these texts.

Facial anthropology classification (often politically motivated belief systems like turanism) belongst to the pseudosciences in the era of population genetics. You must deal with it.

[StonyArabia]

The problem is that you are an idiot too in this case, you are obsessed with that typology stuff more than many others.

Typology is just a hobby but genetics has shown no such thing as a distinct race.

[Leto]

Typology is just a hobby but genetics has shown no such thing as a distinct race.
Whether there is or there is not, it doesn't mean that everyone can live wherever he wants and that we cannot restrict or bar certain groups from entering.

[StonyArabia]

Whether there is or there is not, it doesn't mean that everyone can live wherever he wants and that we cannot restrict or bar certain groups from entering.

True.

[Stears]

You are starving in your country. Many European Hungarians are in Canada, with refugee permission. Why don't you get a refugee status in Canada? It's so simple, you should only expose your gypsy ancestry. That refugee Gypsies are your brothers, their look and life-style are similar to your traditional turkish lifestyle

[Antimage]

but your balkanic genetic make-up also non-european (High ratio of negroid E1B1 and middle-eastern J haplogroups in neo-fake-Greek population cause your less european look. You look like a christian version of turkey.

are neo-greeks of the same stock as neo-cumanians?

[Proto-Shaman]

I know Hungarians that aren't mongoloid lol
Since Hungarians are 0,5% Mongoloid. lol.

[Pahli]

Since Hungarians are 0,5% Mongoloid. lol.

Pfft thats nothing

[Stears]

Since Hungarians are 0,5% Mongoloid. lol. Similar to the aboriginal French and English population.

[Velda]

Someone knows this video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1ZqiLtfeOM

Faces of R1a and R1b - Lineages of Asia: Altai, Bashkort, Turkmen, Kyrgyz, Kazakh, Tajik | part 1

I did not understand it? So all those men have the haplogroups r1a and r1b and subgroups. They are only inhareted via the masculine genes, so e.g. if my grandfather had r1a *z93, what is with my fathers haplogroup? How does this all work together?

[glass]

The rest was raped. Some woman were afraid to be raped, so they put ashes into their faces to look ugly, after the shootings, they did not put ashes into their faces any more."
That's no lie. Can't imagine, that things like that happen in war? It's not different nowadays.

My relative lived in village under german occupation almost 3 years. Germans raped and beat to death 2 women on second week. After that all females were covering their clothes and faces with pig's urine and feces to make themselves stink and ugly. It kept aryan conquerors away from russian swines pretty well. Though it did not stop germans from taking all food they could find.

[Velda]

I can imagine that. :-( It's a horrible thing, soldiers do in modern wars, too. Some do even more horrible things.:-((
Thank god, we stand united in Europe nowadays.

[blogen]

My relative lived in village under german occupation almost 3 years. Germans raped and beat to death 2 women on second week. After that all females were covering their clothes and faces with pig's urine and feces to make themselves stink and ugly. It kept aryan conquerors away from russian swines pretty well. Though it did not stop germans from taking all food they could find.

Why? A pre-Gáva culture (Urnfield) mass grave for example:
http://m.cdn.blog.hu/si/sirasok/image/Pusztataskony/01.JPG

The mass graves, remains of the brutal sieges in the great castles, fortification lines (for example between the Urnfield and Lusatian cultures) are very common findings from the bronze age. They were swines. Ok, yes, they were not Aryans, but Celts, Germans and others, but the Eurasian steppe was also a brutal place. The average settlement on the bronze age steppe is fortified for example. This was not a sign of the peaceful lifestyle.

[glass]

Why?
It was sarcasm:)
Russian swine is common derogatory in Germany

[Velda]

It was sarcasm:)
Russian swine is common derogatory in Germany

Not.

I know that it is not a "common derogatory", I live here.

[Polrebby]

Finally very rare example of Polish woman, which as classified as by Polish anthropologists as Euroasiatic (AZ) type which is Nordic-Pacific (one of Mongoloid types) mix. It occurs very incidentally in Polish population however.
http://kokos.hostowo.eu/turanpl.jpg
Her measurements:
cephalic index 80.7
facial index 89.8
upper facial index 56.3
nasal index 61.3
head lenght-hieght index: 57.4 very low
head breadth-height index: 70.9 very low
hair color: Q in Martin Scale which is very dark blond
eye color: 14 in Martin scale which is light
skin color: light flaxen

[Messier 67]

Very little, data says about 3%. Most of the mongoloid features in women's mtDNA stayed in Asia. It would be much more, the Polish genes brought by the Y-DNA. The Polish invaders brought both Y-DNA and mtDNA and autosomal genes. The mtDNA got replaced quickly by the taking of women. The European woman's mtDNA is what is carried mostly in Poland, not the mtDNA of the original mongoloid aryan population. The mongoloid genes of Y-DNA R1 get listed as being the European genes by admixture. Admixture is not science, it is junk science.

Actual scientists have calculated 20% of the Spanish population has jewish ancestry, yet about 50% of white women on youtube stating their admixture are being told they are jewish. 50% of white women are in fact "jewish" according to 23 and me and ancestry.com. A jew realizing this fact says is staying away from admixture because far too many goyim are coming up jewish, against scientific and historical data. "Jewish genes" are really genes of humanity. One DNA Testing place even refuses to list anything as jewish because it is a religion, not a genetic make-up. Living DNA will weight your admixture toward Great Britain because it is primarily made for the British. So people who are not British will come up some British because genes that humanity shares, if it is high in Kent, you will be given 4% from Kent by Living DNA, even if you are 100% Greek. Admixture is guess work at best. There are many reasons to discard admixture, this is one of them.


The original R1 ancestors also had Mongoloid features. This is sure from the testing of the 24,000 year-old Siberian Mal'ta boy, who belonged to R1* and was of the Mongoloid type. The main difference is that R1a and R1b people migrated west earlier and therefore mixed with Caucasoid people well before people of haplogroup Q. But anyway it only takes a few generations for Mongoloid features to be completely faded by intermarriage.

That is where the bulk of Polish features that look Asiatic come from, not from the mtDNA. Only 3% of mtDNA in Poland is non-European. The R1 brought Asiatic genes into Europe, but every single admixture will report these as European genes because aryans have been in Europe for 4000 years+.

If the invasion was from Sub-Sahara Africa, not Asia, I am sure the admixture of the hexadecaroon aryan population of Europe would be listed as European, not African.

[Wrong]

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/East-Asian-mtDNA-map.png

[Proto-Shaman]

Very little, data says about 3%. Most of the mongoloid features in women's mtDNA stayed in Asia. It would be much more, the Polish genes brought by the Y-DNA. The Polish invaders brought both Y-DNA and mtDNA and autosomal genes. The mtDNA got replaced quickly by the taking of women. The European woman's mtDNA is what is carried mostly in Poland, not the mtDNA of the original mongoloid aryan population. The mongoloid genes of Y-DNA R1 get listed as being the European genes by admixture. Admixture is not science, it is junk science.

That is where the bulk of Polish features that look Asiatic come from, not from the mtDNA. Only 3% of mtDNA in Poland is non-European. The R1 brought Asiatic genes into Europe, but every single admixture will report these as European genes because aryans have been in Europe for 4000 years+.

If the invasion was from Sub-Sahara Africa, not Asia, I am sure the admixture of the hexadecaroon aryan population of Europe would be listed as European, not African.

This is what I say, Europe is full of autosomally absorbed Turanid R1 carriers.

[Veslan]

Most of them are Alpine or Noric altered by median fold, not "Turanid". Lol.

[Ülev]

it depends on region, here in so called recovered territories (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recovered_Territories), we have people resettled from Ukraine, and that look is more common there than for example in Pomerania voivodeship, in fact these people were not only Poles from nowadays Ukraine, they were "pure" "Soviets", Stalin's decree did that
as Marx & Engels theory said, to introduce new political and/or social system there is need to kill/destroy 10% of society, USRR made it (Katyń (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre) etc.) but also add some their compatriots directly from places like Tatarstan

[itilvolga]

minor Turanid around 15%