Classify my subrace?

[Stefan]

First and foremost, I noticed that there is a personal taxonomy section exclusively for personal classifications, but I can't find out how to post or view threads yet. It is locked. I've noticed that some people have did some personal classifications in this section so am I right by assuming that it is alright to do so?

Anyway you can find any required information of my ancestry in my information. If you need even more, I might be able to provide it. Also I'm 16yo, and still growing. I know that is a very important aspect to consider, but I think my features are defined enough to at least get a clue. If you can't tell from the picture I have dark brown eyes, and dark brown hair. It looks black in the picture because of the poor lighting of my camera. This lighting also makes me look lighter than I am in a few pictures. If it helps I might even post pictures of Family members so you can get a clue from where they are. Thanks a lot for any contributions.

[Psychonaut]

You're still too young to tell if your features have really set in, but so far you look like a textbook Dinarid:

http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe361.jpg

[Electronic God-Man]

I agree with Psychonaut.

But just for shits and giggles, how PA Dutch are you?

[SilverFish]

Wow, you look very progressive for a Dinaric.

[Stefan]

I agree with Psychonaut.

But just for shits and giggles, how PA Dutch are you?

Actually I'm probably more PA Dutch than anything else. I guess that proves how dominant darker features are, hehe. If I were to quantify it, both my grandparents on my Mom's side have Germanic last names quite common in PA Dutch(Reinhart and Haman), and both were blonde with blue eyes, my mother being medium brown haired with blue eyes. My aunt and uncles are all some form of blonde with blue or green eyes. The weird thing is, everybody says I look more like my Mom than my Dad who is the French and Spanish one.

[Absinthe]

You look med/dinarid, you wouldn't look out of place in Greece or anywhere in southern Europe...

You remind me of another guy who was mostly PA Dutch and a little Greek (25% I think) and he looked very much like you. It seems that mediterranean genes tend to dominate over northern ones...

[anonymaus]

It seems that mediterranean genes tend to dominate over northern ones...

A rougher analogy than I really intended, but: it's the genetic equivalent of adding chocolate to milk. Even a little bit changes the complexion.

And yes, Dinarid. Looked at this last night and had to check your meta-ethnicity listing again because it's so adherent to the Dinarid plates.

Give it 10 years or so and you may end up looking more KN than you do now.

[Stefan]

Well I wouldn't really label it as chocolate milk, because Eye color is more of a chance based thing rather than a "mixture". In the simplest of cases it is either one eye color or another. I could have came out with any eye color since both of my parents have the genes for them. My father has blue-eyed ancestors, and my grandmother an aunt are green/hazel eyed.

If we are discussing skin color, I would like to say that I'm the same color as my mom without a tan. I tan much easier than both my parents though. My Mom tans, but it doesn't last, my Dad can't tan at all he burns. Apparently I get it from my Dad's father who is really dark.

Actually here is a picture of my mom and my aunt for comparison to me.

http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs154.snc1/5736_1036516053217_1834960946_76835_3383020_n.jpg

Edit: Mom on left, aunt on right.http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs154.snc1/5736_1036516053217_1834960946_76835_3383020_n.jpg


Edit 2: I remembered, aren't dinaric tall? I'm definitely not tall. My father isn't tall either. He is only 5ft 8in. I am only 5ft 6in at 16yo.

[Goidelic]

You look mainly Southern European. I'd say Dinard (common for France & Germany) & Iberid-Atlantomediterranid (Spain) I'm guessing the Spanish & French Medish heritage is coming into play. You could pass for a Spaniard and probably also a Frenchman, particularly a Central & Southern Frenchman. There is a large Medish element around Germany particularly in the East and parts of the Southwest. You could have some German Pontid traits on a lower level but I don't see any too pronounced.

Don't be surprised if you don't look like either parent, sometimes genetic combinations are strange like inheriting lots of genes from a distant nuclear relative - great-grandparent, in return of a collateral relative - great-aunt & or another nuclear relative - 4x great-grandparent.

Your mother for some reason gives me a French/German vibe.

[Allenson]

Dinaro-Med. But as Anonymaus mentioned, give it ten years. You'll grow into your features, if that makes any sense.

[Stefan]

Something very interesting.

So today I took a race calculator test. I took this test before, but last time I used a meter stick, and that wasn't working out to well. Last time I got medditeranoid, this time with a tape measure and about 10 measurements, averaging those measurements out I got this.

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Results of Racial Analysis

Terminology is according to Vallois (1965).Endocranial volume is estimated according to the Lee-Pearson formula (Comas, 1960).Brain weight is estimated according to Welcker's capacity/cranial capacity tables (Baker, 1974)..

Your cephalic index is: 86.5 (hyperbrachycephalic)
Your height/length index is: 64.9 (hypsicephalic)
Your height/breadth index is: 75 (tapeinocephalic)
Your facial index is: 96.4 (hyperleptoprosopic)
Your upper facial index is: 60.7 (leptene)
Your nasal index is: 60 (leptorrhine)
Your estimated endocranial volume is: 1358 cc (euencephalic)
Your estimated brain weight is: 1251 gr

Euclidean Distance Mahalanobis Distance Cosine Similarity
Proto-Europoid: 15 14 0.43
Mediterranoid: 32 74 -0.51
Alpinoid: 20 26 -0.1
Irano-Nordoid: 21 31 -0.14
Dinaroid: 12 9 0.51

Your classification is Dinaroid (using Euclidean distance), Dinaroid (using Mahalanobis distance), and Dinaroid (using Cosine similarity).

According to Euclidean Distance:

You are metrically closest to Plate 2, Figure 1 (distance = 9)
You are metrically furthest from Plate 10, Figure 5 (distance = 74)

According to Mahalanobis Distance:

You are metrically closest to Plate 32, Figure 4 (distance = 5)
You are metrically furthest from Plate 10, Figure 5 (distance = 176)

According to Cosine Similarity:

You are metrically closest to Plate 2, Figure 1 (similarity = 0.72)
You are metrically furthest from Plate 25, Figure 3 (similarity = -0.828)

The five types listed in the results of your racial analysis represent five clusters discovered in a multivariate analysis of 152 individuals whose anthropometric measurements are given in the photographic supplement of Coon (1939). The names of the five clusters are arbitrary labels corresponding to traditional designations. They are based on metrical similarity based on nine variables of the head, and should not be interpreted as denoting "races".
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Alright so I thought I would take the Caucasoid/Negroid test too. I got a 91% probability of being Caucasoid, 9% probability of being Negroid. I don't know how normal it is to not get 100%.....


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And finally I took one last test.

http://dienekes.awardspace.com/calc/anthropometric.php?trn=75&trgn=195&ngn=135&sngn=77&zyzy=90&gogo=120&enen=35&enex=35&exex=110&nsn=55&alal=33&noseinclin=40&chch=50&sasba=65


Your best match is: Greek (according to all 14 measurements) and Greek (according to 11 independent measurements). See table All Populations below for other close matches.

Your n-gn is more than 2 standard deviations from the average for Greek
Your zy-zy is less than 2 standard deviations from the average for Greek
Your ex-ex is more than 2 standard deviations from the average for Greek

Overall, you are 1.19 standard deviations from the average Greek (according to all 14 measurements) and 1.02 standard deviations from the average Greek (according to 11 independent measurements).



So I guess textbook Dinarid it is.

[balkanoid]

pred dinaric with slight meddish

[Stefan]

I really thought it was conclusive and almost definite, but I've been getting a lot of suspicion on my look.

Anyway I've been getting two large non-european associations. One I kind of agree with, the other not so much.

1. Many, including myself, see "Jewish" in me. When I say many I mean it. That is something I get a lot. Anyway, I know for certain I don't have any Jewish ancestry for at least 7 generations. Something that may be brought up though, is that my grandfather's great great great grandfather was born in Gibraltar, an area know for it's Sephardic Jewish ancestry. This was right after Great Britian gained control, so I wouldn't say it is definite that he is Jewish, since back then there were many Iberians who lived there. None of my recent family looks Jewish though. So this is a mystery. So if you think I look Jewish, what could be a possible explanation of this? My heavy mixture of subraces in my ancestry. Is the Dinarid look similar to Jewish?

2. Now this has absolutely no basis whatsoever except for the fact that some people think that I'm either lieing about my ancestry or something else that I am not aware of. Before I post this, I would like to say that I can trace all of my father's ancestry to Europe, except for a very distant great to the 8 or 9 times grandmother, which if she was Mestizo I would be 1/256th(actually 1/512th since she would be mestizo or 1/2 lol) I believe. I really don't feel like thinking about the math.

So yes, these people think I have some very recent Native ancestry. Like I said before there is very little basis to this though. Either way, do you see an Amerindian look? If so, how would you explain it?

[Agrippa]

A typical Jewish trait is usually - for Europeans - always a Near Eastern in general or Armenid in particular one.

Armenids have long, large and convex noses, which are however more fleshy and less sharp than that of the Dinaroids.

Now if you combine a convex-strong nose of the Dinaroid or Aurignacoid (in Europe Nordid or Mediterranid) spectrum with a fleshy Cromagnoid/Alpinoid/Osteuropid nose, you can get a similar nasal shape without any direct Armenid influences, without any Jewish relations.

Now add to that a very leptosomic habitus, which results in a rather low-weak lower jaw area and you get a "bird-like" profile which is somewhat similar to Armenid for the uneducated observer which doesnt even know what Armenid is and voila, you have a "Jewish appearance" even with zero Armenid input and zero Jewish heritage.

Your mother's side has obvious Cromagnoid/Dalofaelid-Alpinoid traits, which means you know where your fleshier nose comes from.

Now if your father is Dinarid or Baskid/Mediterranid, you know where the prominent nose form comes from.

So in the end, everything depends on your father, whether he was more Dinarid or Mediterranid/Atlanto-Nordid.

To me you dont look Jewish at all, but rather Italian/Roman. Actually in the comic series "Asterix" were many similar, very characteristic forms used to represent Romans, Romans active in the administration in particular, which makes perfect sense because of the associated schizothymic-solid character of this physical stereotype.

This shouldnt wonder neither, because Italians are oftentimes of a similar mixture.

P.S.: As for the calculator, if you measured, post your measurements too, because probably they are wrong/not likely or can help for your classification.

[Stefan]

If I knew you would reply to this one, I would have never made that other thread. :( I just thought this one was dead so I made it. Anyway, my father seems to be an intermediate between Berid or Alpinoid(I can't tell) and Atlanto-Med. Here is my father and grandmother( the one I can't tell if she is Berid or Alpinoid).

Here is a very obscure picture of my father and mother.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3120&d=1257254265

Here is my Grandmother(father's mother), Aunt(father's) sister, and my mother.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3109&d=1257052024

Some more pictures of my Grandmother.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3039&stc=1&d=1256322684

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3044&d=1256356476

[Stefan]

P.S.: As for the calculator, if you measured, post your measurements too, because probably they are wrong/not likely or can help for your classification.

I'll redo it then, one second.

[Agrippa]

You have to consider your extreme body type, which means that all proportions being influenced by that, while your father seems to have been rather pyknomorphic by body type.

Its also possible that certain traits being recessive or weak over generations and "pop up" by chance and recombination suddenly.

F.e. your father looks like having a significant Atlantomediterranid input without being in any way typical, most likely strongly Alpinoid influenced, yet this Atlantomediterranid influence might have made up a large part of you.

[Stefan]

I'll redo it then, one second.

Is this better? For some reason it is saying my head breadth is wrong, but I'm almost certain it is 135 or around there. Everytime I measure it, it ends up around 135-140. I'm also having trouble measuring my head length, but I had somebody measure it for me, and they said that is what it was.

Head Length: 168
Head Breadth: 135
Head Height: 130
Minimum Frontal: 110
Bizygomatic: 130
Bigonial: 110
Total Facial Height: 130
Upper Facial Height: 85
Nasal Height:55
Nasal Breadth:40


Warning, entered head breadth appears to be too low

1 warning messages were generated. Warning messages may indicate that one or more of your dimensions are of unusual size. Alternatively they may point to a flaw in your measurement technique.

Results of Racial Analysis


Terminology is according to Vallois (1965).Endocranial volume is estimated according to the Lee-Pearson formula (Comas, 1960).Brain weight is estimated according to Welcker's capacity/cranial capacity tables (Baker, 1974)..


Your cephalic index is: 80.4 (mesocephalic)
Your height/length index is: 77.4 (hypsicephalic)
Your height/breadth index is: 96.3 (acrocephalic)
Your facial index is: 100 (hyperleptoprosopic)
Your upper facial index is: 65.4 (leptene)
Your nasal index is: 72.7 (mesorrhine)
Your estimated endocranial volume is: 1187 cc (oligocephalic)
Your estimated brain weight is: 1069 gr
Euclidean Distance Mahalanobis Distance Cosine Similarity
Proto-Europoid: 43 84 -0.18
Mediterranoid: 28 32 0.22
Alpinoid: 38 48 -0.58
Irano-Nordoid: 26 18 0.23
Dinaroid: 26 29 0.27


Your classification is Dinaroid (using Euclidean distance), Irano-Nordoid (using Mahalanobis distance), and Dinaroid (using Cosine similarity).

According to Euclidean Distance:
You are metrically closest to Plate 21, Figure 6 (distance = 14)
You are metrically furthest from Plate 6, Figure 2 (distance = 91)
According to Mahalanobis Distance:
You are metrically closest to Plate 21, Figure 6 (distance = 8)
You are metrically furthest from Plate 5, Figure 1 (distance = 196)
According to Cosine Similarity:
You are metrically closest to Plate 21, Figure 6 (similarity = 0.74)
You are metrically furthest from Plate 9, Figure 3 (similarity = -0.777)

The five types listed in the results of your racial analysis represent five clusters discovered in a multivariate analysis of 152 individuals whose anthropometric measurements are given in the photographic supplement of Coon (1939). The names of the five clusters are arbitrary labels corresponding to traditional designations. They are based on metrical similarity based on nine variables of the head, and should not be interpreted as denoting "races".

Read more about Caucasoid Metric Types.

References

Baker, J. R. (1974) Race, Oxford University Press, New York and London.
Coon, C. S. (1939) The Races of Europe, MacMillan, New York.
Vallois, H. V. (1965) "Anthropometric Techniques", Current Anthropology 6(2): 127-143.
Comas, J. (1960) Manual of physical anthropology, Thomas, Springfield, Ill.

[Agrippa]

Is this better? For some reason it is saying my head breadth is wrong, but I'm almost certain it is 135 or around there. Everytime I measure it, it ends up around 135-140. I'm also having trouble measuring my head length, but I had somebody measure it for me, and they said that is what it was.

Head Length: 168
Head Breadth: 135
Head Height: 130
Minimum Frontal: 110
Bizygomatic: 130
Bigonial: 110
Total Facial Height: 130
Upper Facial Height: 85
Nasal Height:55
Nasal Breadth:40

You dont look that large, but 168 : 135 would make you almost microcephalic. I mean the brain weight proves that too:

1069 gr

While its in a way possible, its very unlikely.

Your upper facial height on the other hand and facial height as a whole being almost as large as mine, now I have a head of about 200 mm length and am 190 cm tall, whats your height?

Again its unlikely, yet still more possible than the head measurements.

Mininum frontal with 110 is also pretty much, quite possible but re-do it.

That are the most obvious measurements you should re-do, especially headlength and -breadth seems to be very unlikely. Breadth is actually almost impossible, especially if being compared with the facial height.

P.S.: Looked at your pictures for an estimation again, you definitely have a broader head than that, 135 is impossible in my opinion.

[Stefan]

You dont look that large, but 168 : 135 would make you almost microcephalic. I mean the brain weight proves that too:


While its in a way possible, its very unlikely.

Your upper facial height on the other hand and facial height as a whole being almost as large as mine, now I have a head of about 200 mm length and am 190 cm tall, whats your height?

Again its unlikely, yet still more possible than the head measurements.

Mininum frontal with 110 is also pretty much, quite possible but re-do it.

That are the most obvious measurements you should re-do, especially headlength and -breadth seems to be very unlikely. Breadth is actually almost impossible, especially if being compared with the facial height.

Maybe I should try something else to measure it with. Usually I get measurements, and it tells me I am wrong, so I redo them until they are right. I have absolutely no reference when measuring in mm because I'm not use to the Metric system in everyday use and I can't tell what would be considered large. I'll try again.

I'm very certain of this. My face is that long I guess. I measure from my chin to browridge for total facial height, and top lip to browridge for upper facial height. If that is what I was suppose to do. I give up on my cephalic index because it definitely isn't Dolichocephalic.


Head Length:163
Head Breadth: copied wrong 142, I also just measured in Inches and converted to MM through google, and got the same thing. 5.6 in
Head Height: 132
Minimum Frontal:114
Bizygomatic: 146
Bigonial: 127
Total Facial Height: 125
Upper Facial Height: 83
Nasal Height: 57
Nasal Breadth:43


Your cephalic index is: 87.1 (hyperbrachycephalic)
Your height/length index is: 81 (hypsicephalic)
Your height/breadth index is: 93 (acrocephalic)
Your facial index is: 85.6 (mesoprosopic)
Your upper facial index is: 58.2 (leptene)
Your nasal index is: 75.4 (mesorrhine)
Your estimated endocranial volume is: 1218 cc (oligocephalic)
Your estimated brain weight is: 1102 gr
Euclidean Distance Mahalanobis Distance Cosine Similarity
Proto-Europoid: 32 26 0.29
Mediterranoid: 44 70 -0.2
Alpinoid: 36 32 -0.11
Irano-Nordoid: 40 38 -0.3
Dinaroid: 28 17 0.37


Your classification is Dinaroid (using Euclidean distance), Dinaroid (using Mahalanobis distance), and Dinaroid (using Cosine similarity).

According to Euclidean Distance:
You are metrically closest to Plate 7, Figure 4 (distance = 18)
You are metrically furthest from Plate 10, Figure 5 (distance = 81)
According to Mahalanobis Distance:
You are metrically closest to Plate 38, Figure 3 (distance = 13)
You are metrically furthest from Plate 10, Figure 5 (distance = 162)
According to Cosine Similarity:
You are metrically closest to Plate 7, Figure 5 (similarity = 0.76)
You are metrically furthest from Plate 24, Figure 3 (similarity = -0.864)

The five types listed in the results of your racial analysis represent five clusters discovered in a multivariate analysis of 152 individuals whose anthropometric measurements are given in the photographic supplement of Coon (1939). The names of the five clusters are arbitrary labels corresponding to traditional designations. They are based on metrical similarity based on nine variables of the head, and should not be interpreted as denoting "races".

Read more about Caucasoid Metric Types.

References

Baker, J. R. (1974) Race, Oxford University Press, New York and London.
Coon, C. S. (1939) The Races of Europe, MacMillan, New York.
Vallois, H. V. (1965) "Anthropometric Techniques", Current Anthropology 6(2): 127-143.
Comas, J. (1960) Manual of physical anthropology, Thomas, Springfield, Ill.

Edit: I copied my head breadth into the calculator wrong. It is actually 142.

[NamelessOne]

You have a Romanian name...
You are (mostly) dinaric.

[Stefan]

You have a Romanian name...
You are (mostly) dinaric.

Well I'm not romanian, my parents just chose that name. My father wanted to name me "Esteban", but my Mom said no, so she picked Stefan as a compromise. It seems to also be common in Germanic and Slavic countries too.

Edit: Also I think I am without a doubt Dinarid, but I just want to crush any possibility in my mind of what some say about non-european look to be true.

[Stefan]

I think I found my problem with measuring my Head Breadth. Before, I was pretty much measuring my forhead, but the problem with that is my forhead is rounded. So I wouldn't really measure the whole thing. So now I tried measuring past where my forhead declines but my head is still present and I got around 148mm. I think the major problem is that I'm rounding by 5s in some measurements, yet you need them to be as accurate as possible. I also re measured my head length and I got 174 making my Head Cephalic Index around 85.

[Agrippa]

Usually I get measurements, and it tells me I am wrong, so I redo them until they are right.

Well, in this case you still have false measurements, just tried until you had something which seems to be possible for the calculator.

That way all measurements are worthless. You have to do it, at best with help, until you get the same results without trying hard every time.

Dont forget, often its about mm's, now you measured wrong for cm's, that way it doesnt work.

Yet I agree that you can't be dolichocephalic for sure, mesocephalic neither, but just brachycephalic going after the pictures. Yet your head breadth should be - in my opinion at least - closer to 150 mm or higher.

[Guapo]

You look German, like J. Goebbels. Meister rasse!