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Szegedist
08-22-2013, 07:30 PM
Etymology
Lets start with the etymology. Where does the name “Transylvania” come from?
According to Romanians, it sounds Latin, so it is of Romanian origins, but the truth could not be different.
Hungary was founded as a Catholic Kingdom, with Latin as it's official language, so Hungarian chronicles in the Middle Ages were written in Latin.
The region of Transylvania was first refereed to as “ultra silvam”, which is Latin for “beyond the woods”, in a medieval Hungarian chronicle (written in Latin), 1075.
The term Partes Transsylvanć ("parts beyond the forest") dates from the same century (used in Legenda Sancti Gerhardi, and subsequently, as Transsilvania by Medieval Latin documents compiled in the Kingdom of Hungary).
It is here, where the modern name Transylvania comes from.
Another name for Transylvania is Erdély, which comes from Erdő-elve, meaning “in front of the woods”.
The Romanian name for Transylvania (Ardeal) is a phonetic copy of Erdély, and has no meaning whatsoever in the Romanian language.
There is a contradiction between Erdő-elve (on front of the woods) and ultra silvam(beyond the woods)
This is because Erdély comes from the Conquest Era, so the incoming Hungarians saw Transylvania to be in front of the woods (the woods in the Partium/Részek), while “Ultra Silvam” comes after the Kingdom was founded, and to the chronicles, Transylvania now lay beyond the woods.
Romanians have no name of their own for Transylvania.
Transylvania is of Latin origins, first used by Hungarians
Erdély/Ardeal is of Hungarian origins, first used by Hungarians
Siebenbürgen/Sedmigradsko/Sedmihradsko/etc is of German origins, comes from the Saxon Settlers.
Szegedist
08-22-2013, 07:46 PM
Examples of Hungarian cities in Transylvania
Nagyvárad- today so called “Oradea”
Nagyvarad dates back to a small 10th century castle, while its bishopric was founded during the 11th century by King Ladislaus I of Hungary. The first documented mention of its name was in 1113 under the Latin name Varadinum ("vár" means fortress in Hungarian).
The 14th century was one of the most prosperous periods in the city's life. Statues of St. Stephen, Emeric and Ladislaus (before 1372) and theequestrian sculptureofSt. Ladislaus(1390) were erected in Oradea. St. Ladislaus' fabled statue was the first proto-renaissance public square equestrian in Europe. Bishop Andreas Báthori (1329–1345) rebuilt the cathedral inGothicstyle. From thatepochdates also the Hermes, now preserved at Györ, which contains the skull of King Ladislaus, and which is a masterpiece of the Hungarian goldsmith's art
In the second half of the 19th century literary nicknames for the town included "Hungarian Compostela", "Felix civitas", "Paris on the River Pece", "the City of Tomorrow", "Athens on theKörös", and "the City of Yesterday". These nicknames are not widely used today, although "Paris on the River Pece" is still utilized sometimes.
Szegedist
08-22-2013, 10:06 PM
Marosvásárhely, or so called " Targu Mures"
The city was first documented in 1332 in the papal registry under the name Novum Forum Siculorum, and as Sekulvasarhel (Székelyvásárhely) in 1349. On the place of its Castle Church, the Dominican's church stood until the Mongol invasion, when it was destroyed. In its place, the Franciscans built a new Gothic church in 1260, which was completed in 1446. Since 1439 the town was the scene of the session of parliament (diet) 36 times.
In 1405, the King of Hungary Sigismund of Luxembourg granted the city the right to organize fairs. In 1470 King Matthias Corvinus granted the first judicial privilege to the city, and in 1482 declared the city a royal settlement.
http://www.vasarhely.ro/sites/default/files/site_files/kulturpalota_varoshaza.jpg
Szegedist
08-22-2013, 10:11 PM
Temesvár- today so called "Timisoara"
Temesvár was first mentioned as a place in either 1212 or 1266. The territory later to be known as Banat was conquered and annexed by the Kingdom of Hungary in 1030. Temesvár grew considerably during the reign of Károly I, who, upon his visit here in 1307, ordered the construction of a royal palace. Temesvár importance also grew due to its strategic location, which facilitated control over the Banat plain. John Hunyadi established a permanent military encampment here, and moved here together with his family. In 1552, a 16,000 Ottoman army conquered the city and transformed it into a capital city in the region. The local military commander, Stefan Losonczy, was captured and beheaded on July 27, 1552 after resisting the Ottoman invasion with just over 2,300 men.
http://www.turistderomania.ro/tdruplfiles/timisoara.jpg
Szegedist
08-22-2013, 10:23 PM
Nagybánya- today so called "Baia Mare"
Nagybánya is first mentioned in written documents released by Károly I of Hungary in 1328 under the name of Rivulus Dominarum (English: Ladies' River). In 1347 the town was identified in documents by Louis I of Hungary as an important medieval town with a prosperous mining industry. Its rules of organisation were characteristic of the "free towns" of that time. In 1411 the town and its surrounding areas, including the mines, were transferred into the property of the Hunyadi family by Sigismund, King of Hungary (later also Holy Roman Emperor), who recognised Janos Hunyadi's contribution to stop the Turkish invasion of Europe.
The town entered in a period of prosperity, during which the St. Stephen Cathedral was built. Today the cathedral tower is one of the best-known of the town's historic landmarks (see Stephen's Tower). The first school, named Schola Rivulina, was opened in Nagybánya in 1547 by the Reformed Church following the Protestant Reformation.
http://www.baiamareteam2013.rotaractmun.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/baia-mare1.png
Windischer
08-22-2013, 10:31 PM
Nagybánya- today so called "Baia Mare"
both mean the same - the great mine. especially baňa, such a nice slavic term for mine ;)
http://www.baiamareteam2013.rotaractmun.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/baia-mare1.png
that chimney... LOL
blogen
08-22-2013, 10:35 PM
Oh, the Romanians are great chimneybuilders!
near Zalatna:
http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/1119123.jpg
Szegedist
08-22-2013, 10:48 PM
Chimneys and Communist panel houses are the only things built by Vlachs in Transylvania.
And Verchar, that is not a Chimney, but an ancient Dacian Roman victory column...
Also, there is no "Baia Mare", its rightful name is Nagybánya!
blogen
08-22-2013, 11:49 PM
Chimneys and Communist panel houses are the only things built by Vlachs in Transylvania.
You forget the newly built reinforced concrete Balkan churches everywhere!
ps. Ok, this is demagogue. There are beautiful and real Romanian small wooden churches (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1624389) too (many of them are in terrible condition).
Windischer
08-22-2013, 11:59 PM
with slavic writings in some of those churches one can wonder how romanian they are ;) but nevermind, whoever uses them (and cares for them), to them they belong.
blogen
08-23-2013, 12:07 AM
The original Romanian writing system was cyrillic. They use the Latin alphabet only since they discovered that city of Rome is their homeland.
Windischer
08-23-2013, 07:41 AM
The original Romanian writing system was cyrillic. They use the Latin alphabet only since they discovered that city of Rome is their homeland.
i mean slavic writings. the language. not alphabet.
Szegedist
08-23-2013, 10:38 AM
Thats because Romanians wrote in Church Slavonic, using Cyrilic script, before (as blogen said) they discovered Rome was their homeland :laugh:
Szegedist
08-23-2013, 03:53 PM
Following World War I, Transylvania, historically a Hungarian-controlled region, was given to Romania. Situated in NW Romania and bordered to the east by the horseshoe-shaped Carpathian Mountains, Transylvania had a large Hungarian population with a Saxon German minority. Ceausescu began a policy of promoting Romanian ethnicity and culture, while at the same time suppressing Hungarian and German culture. Many old Hungarian villages were simply bulldozed and many Romanians were forcibly moved to Transylvania to dilute the Hungarian population. Some have said that the Romanian-Hungarian border was even tougher to cross than the Berlin Wall, with Hungarians visiting family in Romania being held up for days at the border to make sure they did not have any Hungarian books or music. The formerly Hungarian town of Kolozsvar, one of historic Hungary's cultural centers, saw its name change first to the Romanian name of Cluj, and later to Cluj-Napoca, Napoca being the name of a Roman settlement in the region and added to the town's name to emphasize Romania's possible links to the old Roman Empire.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/romania.htm
Szegedist
08-23-2013, 04:05 PM
Due to the close relations of the medieval Hungarian Kingdom with the West, talented Transylvanians found their ways to the early Universities of Europe as early as the 12th and 13th centuries. The very first student whose name became officially registered at the University of Oxford in 1193, was Miklós of Hungary, son of Kende, nobleman of Transylvania.
During the 15th century there were three famous Hungarian doctors on the faculty of the University of Bologna, and one of them, Péter Pál Apati of Torda, later founded the "Free Collegium of the Noble Sciences", established in his hometown, Torda, then moved to Kolozsvár (today Cluj) by King Matthias. After the two Hungarian Universities were established, Pécs in 1367, and Buda in 1389, many Transylvanians sent their sons there, some of whom, after returning home, founded one by one the "Collegiums" of High Learning in Nagyenyed, Gyulafehérvar, Kolozsvár, Nagyvárad, Brassó, Arad, Zilah and Marosvásárhely.
Due to the ecclesiastical domination of Rome as in other Western empires, the official language of science and administration in the Hungarian Kingdom was Latin. Therefore it was only in 1527 that the first book was printed in the Hungarian language in Kolozsvár. In 1598 there were already 24 printing establishments in Transylvania, publishing by that date 382 books, of which 368 were in the Hungarian language. There were 18 Transylvanian Hungarians enroled at the Wittenberg University in the year of 1586.
Many Transylvanian Hungarians were teaching at famous Western Universities, while several famous Western scientists, such as Martin Opitz, John Alstead, Henry Bisterfeld and Isaac Basire taught in Transylvanian colleges during the 16th and 17th centuries. In 1545 the complete translation of the Bible appeared in the Hungarian language, printed in Kolozsvár.
Shortly after, in 1582, financed by Hungarians and translated by Hungarians. the Bible was published in the Vlach language. In the 14th century two Transylvanian Hungarian brothers, Márton and György Kolozsvári, were famous sculptors. Most of their works were demolished through the many wars, except the well known statue of St.George in the city of Prague, which is today recognized as one of the greatest monuments of Gothic sculpture.
Thus Transylvania, as part of Hungary, became the center of Hungarian culture. During the most troubled times of Central European history, when the conflict between Catholicism and Protestantism set fire to the emotions, in Transylvania the Hungarian preacher and philosopher Ferenc Dávid (1535-1579) was able to found and establish the Unitarian Church, and persuade the Congress of Torda in 1568 to declare, for the first time in the world, the freedom of religion.
It is indeed not accidental that man's God-given right to choose his own religion and to worship freely and undisturbed was first recognized and legalized in Transylvania. This was a direct result of the Hungarian concept of freedom, as well as the respect toward the freedom of others, which permeated the entire Hungarian state-concept, and enabled the Hungarians to rule the Carpathian Basin successfully for a thousand years. This secured free development to every ethnic group which asked permission to settle within the Hungarian borders.
Even after 1711, when Hungarian political independence was completely lost to Habsburg oppression, Hungarian culture in Transylvania not only kept in step with the cultural evolution of the rest of the country, but in many instances it became the guiding force of spiritual and cultural resistance. In fields of sciences, art and literature, Transylvania became the torch-bearer to the rest of oppressed Hungary. The same phenomenon repeated itself after 1849, when the Liberty War was crushed by the combined forces of Austria and Russia, and the darkness of revengeful oppression fell upon Hungary for the second time.
It might be interesting to note that the first English-Tibetan dictionary was published in 1834 by a young Transylvanian Hungarian explorer, Sándor Kőrösi Csoma. The era between 1820 and 1867 is also regarded by many as the "golden age" of Hungarian national literature, brought forth by Habsburg oppression. Many of the great names in Hungarian literature were from Transylvania, such as Ferenc Kazinczy (1759-1831), Ferenc Kölcsey (1790-1838) Mihály Tompa (1817-1868) and others.
In 1867 the "reconciliation" between Emperor Franz Joseph and the Hungarian nation opened the gates toward industrialization and economic upswing. Though economic progress was much slower reaching into Transylvania than in other parts of Hungary - due to distances, lack of roads, etc. - the revitalization of the Hungarian culture reached a new peak in Kolozsvár and the other Transylvanian cities. During the glorious years of the "millennium", Transylvania proudly celebrated its thousand-year-old cultural heritage within the framework of the thousand-year-old Hungarian national frontiers.
When in 1919 the Rumanian army occupied Transylvania, and the brutal persecution of Hungarian officials, clergymen, educators and other intellectuals began with unprecedented Balkanic ferocity, Hungarian stamina was put to test. In Kolozsvár the Romanian army killed the major of the city on Christmas Eve and massacred innocent civilians of Hungarian nationality without any consideration on children, women and elders. The civilized World was shocked by the cruel and barbarian methods of the Rumanian army.
more on
http://www.angelfire.com/nm/hun/
Szegedist
08-28-2013, 10:53 PM
Most of these castles in Transylvania are Hungarian, the ones that are not are German.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_castles_in_Romania#Transylvania_.28Transil vania.29
Unesco world heritage sights in Transylvania
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Villages_with_fortified_churches_in_Transylvania
http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/596
Most of these are Hungarian, others are German
Szegedist
08-28-2013, 10:56 PM
Transylvania is absolutely and undoubtedly Hungarian.
Romanians claim its theirs because
1) Today's demographics
2) Dubious theories about ancient "Dacian" origins.
Stears
09-03-2013, 07:52 PM
MY NEW VIDEO (watch in 1080p):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yagRGPjzChc
Szegedist
09-04-2013, 11:12 AM
Temesvár- today so called "Timisoara"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-crjQlRpfs
:)))))))))))))))))))))))))
Szegedist
01-11-2014, 01:55 PM
Question: If Romanians were first in Transylvania, then how come the majority of placenames have either Hungarian (or to a lesser extent Slavic) origins?
Vlach
01-11-2014, 02:49 PM
Chimneys and Communist panel houses are the only things built by Vlachs in Transylvania.
And Verchar, that is not a Chimney, but an ancient Dacian Roman victory column...
Also, there is no "Baia Mare", its rightful name is Nagybánya!
=)))
How idiot can you be?
If you wanna this week I will photo some romanian house in Timisoara :>
Vlach
01-11-2014, 02:54 PM
Transylvania is absolutely and undoubtedly Hungarian.
Romanians claim its theirs because
1) Today's demographics
2) Dubious theories about ancient "Dacian" origins.
http://oi40.tinypic.com/j6pkex.jpg
Szegedist
01-11-2014, 02:55 PM
Today demographics? Fucking stupid homosexual bitch, you shit your pants when I posted Transylvania demographics since 1200?
Yes, thanks for confirming Hungarian majority before 1600. The 1241 looks like an anomaly, it doesnt even show number of Hungarians.
You started here the shitstorm bozgorian sotries with Transylvania because we fucked your ass on "Turkish civilian organizations are supporting the Székely autonomy" thread? You are just a bitch, you dont have balls dude.
You total retard, I opened this thread months ago, much before the Turkish Civilian thread. Secondly, you did not kick my ass there, thirdly, the parasite that is too scared to post his pic is talking about others not having balls :laugh:
Styrian Mujo
01-11-2014, 02:57 PM
I find that the origins of Romanians are mysterious. How did such a large body of the population in south-eastern Europe speak a Romance language?
Szegedist
01-11-2014, 02:57 PM
I find that the origins of Romanians are mysterious. How did such a large body of the population in south-eastern Europe speak a Romance language?
Please dont pollute this thread about origin of so called romanians.
Styrian Mujo
01-11-2014, 03:01 PM
Please dont pollute this thread about origin of so called romanians.
Sorry but I can't find anything on the origin of the Romanians so I thought someone could explain it here.
Vlach
01-11-2014, 03:03 PM
Yes, thanks for confirming Hungarian majority before 1600. The 1241 looks like an anomaly, it doesnt even show number of Hungarians.
You total retard, I opened this thread months ago, much before the Turkish Civilian thread. Secondly, you did not kick my ass there, thirdly, the parasite that is too scared to post his pic is talking about others not having balls :laugh:
Thanks for accepting the fact, romanians was the majority in Transylvania history :picard1:
A anomaly? there was 66% romanians, the numbers of bozgors doesnt matter because we was majority
"According to Jean W.Sedlar, the Vlachs may have comprised two-thirds of Transylvania's population in 1241 on the eve of the Mongol invasion" source wikipedia
Vlach
01-11-2014, 03:07 PM
I find that the origins of Romanians are mysterious. How did such a large body of the population in south-eastern Europe speak a Romance language?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdOHCJA5vE4
blogen
01-11-2014, 03:43 PM
1241: 66%
:lol00002: :picard1:
Origin of the 11-12th century toponyms in Transslyvania:
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/6518/12thi.jpg
Origin of the Romanian toponyms in Transsylvania (Magyar, Slav,, German, Romanian):
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/6020/erdelyromannevekeredete.jpg
http://mek.oszk.hu/03400/03407/html/img/transterk-map10.jpg
Vlach
01-11-2014, 03:59 PM
:lol00002: :picard1:
Origin of the 11-12th century toponyms in Transslyvania:
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/6518/12thi.jpg
Origin of the Romanian toponyms in Transsylvania (Magyar, Slav,, German, Romanian):
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/6020/erdelyromannevekeredete.jpg
http://mek.oszk.hu/03400/03407/html/img/transterk-map10.jpg
toponym=ethnic? :picard1:
I thought you are not like szegedist.
In 11-12 century Transylvania wasnt in Hungary? :picard2:
blogen
01-11-2014, 04:07 PM
toponym=ethnic? :picard1:
Yes. But this is basic...
In 11-12 century Transylvania wasnt in Hungary? :picard2:
Yes, Transylvania was a duchy of the Hungarian Kingdom. And? The placenames were ethnic origins. There were not official names in the Middle Ages, or what is your problem.
SKYNET
01-11-2014, 04:10 PM
:lol00002: :picard1:
Origin of the 11-12th century toponyms in Transslyvania:
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/6518/12thi.jpg
Origin of the Romanian toponyms in Transsylvania (Magyar, Slav,, German, Romanian):
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/6020/erdelyromannevekeredete.jpg
http://mek.oszk.hu/03400/03407/html/img/transterk-map10.jpg
Germans okay, Slavs okay, but Hungarians? You are not even a member of the IE language family, your origins you can find somewhere within Ural mountains in Russia :thumb001:
Kiyant
01-11-2014, 04:12 PM
Germans okay, Slavs okay, but Hungarians? You are not even a member of the IE language family, your origins you can find somewhere within Ural mountains in Russia :thumb001:
You know that Finno-Ugrics together with the Basques were the first europeans or dont you know that?
Vlach
01-11-2014, 04:15 PM
Yes. But this is basic...
Yes, Transylvania was a duchy of the Hungarian Kingdom. And? The placenames were ethnic origins. There were not official names in the Middle Ages, or what is your problem.
And who was the BIG BOSS? not the hungarians was the guys with moneyz and bitches?
blogen
01-11-2014, 04:17 PM
Germans okay, Slavs okay, but Hungarians? You are not even a member of the IE language family, your origins you can find somewhere within Ural mountains in Russia :thumb001:
What is your problem. You do not find your homeland in Rome? Which Roman insula was the original home of the Romanians?
blogen
01-11-2014, 04:19 PM
And who was the BIG BOSS? not the hungarians was the guys with moneyz and bitches?
The nobility and the prelacy were the chiefs. The majority of the them were ethnic Hungarian. And? The place-names originate from the local residents.
Vlach
01-11-2014, 04:24 PM
The nobility and the prelacy were the chiefs. The majority of the them were ethnic Hungarian. And? The place-names originate from the local residents.
I dont think so...
Szegedist
01-11-2014, 04:24 PM
What is your problem. You do not find your homeland in Rome? Which Roman insula was the original home of the Romanians?
He calls himself Pinocchio because he lies a lot, typical Rumanian behavior.
Pinocchio is a hero of the children's novel The Adventures of Pinocchio by Italian author Carlo Collodi. Pinocchio, an animated puppet, is punished for each lie that he tells by undergoing further growth of his nose.[3] There are no restrictions on the length of Pinocchio's nose. It grows as he tells lies and at one point grows so long that he can not even get his nose "through the door of the room"
SKYNET
01-11-2014, 04:25 PM
You know that Finno-Ugrics together with the Basques were the first europeans or dont you know that?
In which area do you mean? I wonder how the fuck happened that hungarians as nation became a non IE people settled between IE speakers since the middle ages. There is also a similar situation you can read about the history of Greek Anatolian peninsula (present Turkey)
Szegedist
01-11-2014, 04:26 PM
Germans okay, Slavs okay, but Hungarians? You are not even a member of the IE language family, your origins you can find somewhere within Ural mountains in Russia :thumb001:
You retard is butthurt that majority of toponyms in Transylvania are of Hungarian origin, not Romanian.
Kiyant
01-11-2014, 04:26 PM
In which area do you mean? I wonder how the fuck happened that hungarians as nation became a non IE people settled between IE speakers since the middle ages. There is also a similar situation you can read about the history of Greek Anatolian peninsula (present Turkey)
IE people come from Asia while Finno-ugrics dont
Szegedist
01-11-2014, 04:27 PM
In which area do you mean? I wonder how the fuck happened that hungarians as nation became a non IE people settled between IE speakers since the middle ages. There is also a similar situation you can read about the history of Greek Anatolian peninsula (present Turkey)
Hey dickhead. Indo-Europeans are gypsie invaders from Afhganistan. And it doesnt matter if Hungarians are I-E or not, majority of toponyms in Transylvania are of Hungarian origin, from small villages to big cities.
SKYNET
01-11-2014, 04:27 PM
He calls himself Pinocchio because he lies a lot, typical Rumanian behavior.
Pinocchio is a hero of the children's novel The Adventures of Pinocchio by Italian author Carlo Collodi. Pinocchio, an animated puppet, is punished for each lie that he tells by undergoing further growth of his nose.[3] There are no restrictions on the length of Pinocchio's nose. It grows as he tells lies and at one point grows so long that he can not even get his nose "through the door of the room"
your post has nothing to do with the current thread
Szegedist
01-11-2014, 04:29 PM
your post has nothing to do with the current thread
And neither do your down syndrome ramblings.
SKYNET
01-11-2014, 04:31 PM
Hey dickhead. Indo-Europeans are gypsie invaders from Afhganistan. And it doesnt matter if Hungarians are I-E or not, majority of toponyms in Transylvania are of Hungarian origin, from small villages to big cities.
who gives a fuck? Such origins you can find in Turkey(which is the Greek part as a main country), but on Turkish.
Vlach
01-11-2014, 04:31 PM
Hey dickhead. Indo-Europeans are gypsie invaders from Afhganistan. And it doesnt matter if Hungarians are I-E or not, majority of toponyms in Transylvania are of Hungarian origin, from small villages to big cities.
Because the nobles was bozgorians :rolleyes::picard2:
Anyway, in last 400 years who was the majority? :eek:
Kiyant
01-11-2014, 04:32 PM
Because the nobles was bozgorians :rolleyes::picard2:
Anyway, in last 400 years who was the majority? :eek:
LOL you needed those "bozgorians" to rule you for such a long time? hahahahahahahahaha
Vlach
01-11-2014, 04:34 PM
LOL you needed those "bozgorians" to rule you for such a long time? hahahahahahahahaha
what?
Szegedist
01-11-2014, 04:35 PM
Because the nobles was bozgorians :rolleyes::picard2:
And majority of inhabitants.
Szegedist
01-11-2014, 04:36 PM
who gives a fuck? Such origins you can find in Turkey(which is the Greek part as a main country), but on Turkish.
You moron, if Romanians were there first, with majority of inhabitants being Romanian (according to your bullshit theories), then surely majority of toponyms would be of Romanian origin?
Do you not understand logic? Or do you just have some mental deficiency?
SKYNET
01-11-2014, 04:38 PM
You moron, if Romanians were there first, with majority of inhabitants being Romanian (according to your bullshit theories), then surely majority of toponyms would be of Romanian origin?
Do you not understand logic?
my fucking logic facts based on your fucking logic.
Or do you just have some mental deficiency?
are you a doctor?
Vlach
01-11-2014, 04:38 PM
You moron, if Romanians were there first, with majority of inhabitants being Romanian (according to your bullshit theories), then surely majority of toponyms would be of Romanian origin?
Do you not understand logic? Or do you just have some mental deficiency?
You idiot your maps are from 12 century. Are you fucking blind or are you retarded?
SKYNET
01-11-2014, 04:40 PM
You idiot your maps are 10-11 centuries. Are you fucking blind or are you retarded?
he has narrow mind, nothing else. To arguing with such online idiots is useless believe me
Szegedist
01-11-2014, 04:42 PM
my fucking logic facts based on your fucking logic.
are you a doctor?
FACT 1: Majority of toponyms in Transylvania are of Hungarian origin.
FACT 2: First mention of Vlachs in Transylvania was in the 12th century.
Szegedist
01-11-2014, 04:43 PM
he has narrow mind, nothing else. To arguing with such online idiots is useless believe me
Hahahahahah, and you are calling ME Narrow minded, the retard who says "Roman Empire = Romanian Empire" :laugh:
Szegedist
01-11-2014, 04:44 PM
LISTING OF TRANSYLVANIAN HUNGARIAN PLACE-NAMES AND THEIR RUMANIAN REPLACEMENTS
1. Italics indicate that the Rumanian name of the locality is a direct translation or an approximation by sound and meaning of the original Hungarian name.
2. These Rumanian translations are often abbreviated versions of the original Hungarian names. In such cases in the list below, the missing part is indicated by dots (....)
3. The letter G in brackets after the name of the locality indicates German origin.
4. In Hungarian the attribute always precedes the noun; in the Rumanian translations of Hungarian toponyms the attribute mostly follows the noun. E.g.
- in Hungarian: Nagy(ajta), nagy=great
- in Rumanian: (Aita) Mare mare=great.
In these (and many other) instances, the pronunciation of the name of the locality is almost identical in both languages, but in reverse order.
Item Name in Hungarian Name in Rumanian Comments
A
1
Abrudbánya
Abrud.....
bánya=mine (under-ground)
2
Ádámos
Adamus
3
Aknasugatag
Ocna Sugatag
akna=ocna=shaft (in mining)
4
Ákos
Acis
5
Ákosfalva
Acâtari
6
Aldoboly
Dobolii-de-Jos
al=de-jos=lower
7
Algyógy
Georgiu
8
Alkenyér
Sibot
9
Almakerék
Mâlincrav
10
Almásgalgó
.....Gilgâu
11
Alsóárpás
Arpasul-de-Jos
Alsó=de-Jos=lower
12
Alsócsernáton
Cernat-..-...
13
Alsójára
Jara-de-Jos
14
Alsokosály
Caseiu-..-...
15
Alsópurumbák
Porumbacul-de-Jos
16
Alsórákos
Racosul-de-Jos
17
Alsószilvás
Silvasul-de-Jos
18
Alsószombatfalva
Simbatu-de-Jos
19
Alsótatárlaka
Tartaria-..-...
20
Alsótömös
Timisul-de-Jos
21
Alsóváradja
Oarda-de-Jos
22
Alsóvenice
Venetia-de-Jos
23
Alváca-fürdö
Vata-de-Jos
24
Alvinc
Vintul-de-Jos
25
Angyalos
Anghelus
26
Apahida
Apahida
26
Apanagyfalu
Nuseni
27
Apold
Apold
28
Arad
Arad
29
Aranyosbánya
Baia-de-Aries
30
Aranyosfö
Scârisoara
31
Aranyosgyéres
Cimpia Turzii
32
Aranyoslóna
......Luna
33
Aranyosmeggyes
Mediesul Aurit
34
Aranyosrákos
Valenii de Aries
35
Árapatak
Araci
36
Árkos
Arcus
37
Asszonyrét
Ogradeni
38
Avasfelsöfalu
Negresti-Oas
39
Avasujváros
Orasul Nou
...új...=...nou=new
B
40
Bábolna
Bobilna
41
Bábony
Babiu
42
Baca
Baca
43
Bágyon
Badeni
44
Bajfalu
Dânesti
45
Balánbánya
Bâlan....
46
Balavásár
Bâlâuseri
47
Balázsfalva
Blaj-....
49
Bálványosváralja
Unguras
50
Bánffyhunyad
.......Huedin
51
Bánlaka
Banlaca
52
Bánpatak
Banpotoc
patak=potoc=brook, stream
53
Baráthely
Brâteiu
54
Barcarozsnyó
.....Risnov
55
Bárdfalva
Berbesti
56
Bardóc
Brâdut
57
Báródsomos
Cornitel
58
Barót
Baraolt
59
Batiz
Botiz
61
Bázos
Bazos
62
Bedecs
Bedeciu
63
Bélafalva
Belani....
64
Belényes
Beius
65
Béles
Belis
66
Bencenc
Aurel Vlaicu
67
Bereck
Bretcu
68
Beresztelke
Breaza....
69
Berethalom
Biertan
70
Berzova
Birzava
71
Beszterce
Bistrita
72
Bethlen
Beclean
73
Bethlenszentmiklós
......Sinmiclaus
74
Bibarcfalva
Biborteni
75
Bihar
Biharia
76
Bihardiószeg
......Diosig
77
Biharfélegyháza
Rosiori
78
Biharfüred
Stina de Vale
79
Bikkfalva
Bicalau
80
Bikszádfürdö
Bicsad.....
81
Bodola
Budila
82
Bodrog
Calugâreni
83
Bodva
Bodvaj
84
Bodzaforduló
Intorsatura Buzalui
85
Bogártelke
Bâgara....
86
Bögöz
Mugeni
87
Boholt
Boholt
88
Boksabánya
Bocsa.....
89
Boldogfalva
Feliceni
90
Bölön
Belin
91
Bólya
Buia
92
Bonchida
Bontida
93
Bonyha
Bahnea
94
Borév
Buru
95
Borosjenö
..... Ineu
96
Boroskrakkó
.....Cricâu
97
Borossebes
.....Sebis
98
Bors
Bors
99
Borsa
Borsa
100
Borsabánya
Bâile Borsa
baile=bathing resort
101
Borszék
Borsec
102
Botfalu
Bod....
103
Brád
Brad
104
Branyicska
Branisca
105
Brassó
Brasov
106
Bréb
Breb
107
Bucsa
Bucea
108
Bucsony
Bucium
109
Budfalva
Budesti
110
Büdöspataka
Bizusa-Bâi
111
Buziásfürdö
Buzias.....
C
112
Cebe
Tebea
113
Celna
Telna
114
Csák
Ciacova
115
Csákigorbó
.....Girbau
116
Csarnóháza
Bulz
117
Csatád
Lenauheim
(G)
118
Csernahéviz
Toplet
119
Csicsóholdvilág
Tapu
120
Csicsókápolna
......Capilna
121
Csicsókeresztúr
Cristestii-Ciceului
122
Csicsómihályfalva
Ciceu-Mihâiesti
123
Csíkcsicsó
....Ciceu
124
Csíkdánfalva
.... Dânesti
125
Csíkdelne
....Delnita
126
Csíkmadaras
....Mâdâras
127
Csíkménaság
....Armâseni
128
Csíkszentdomonkos
....Sindominic
szent=sin=saint
129
Csíkszentgyörgy
Ciuc-Singeorgiu
György=Georgiu= George
130
Csíkszentimre
....Sintimbru
131
Csíkszentkirály
....Sincrâeni
132
Csíkszentmihály
....Mihâileni
133
Csíkszentmiklós
.....Nicolesti
134
Csíkszereda
Mircurea Ciuc
135
Csíkzsögöd
Jigodin-Ciuc
136
Csókfalva
Cioc....
137
Csomakörös
.....Chiurus
138
Csucsa
Ciucea
D
139
Dálnok
Dalnic
140
Dános
Danes
141
Dés
Dej
142
Désakna
Ocna Dejului
akna=ocna=shaft(in mining)
143
Désfalva
Deaj....
144
Desze
Desesti
145
Déva
Deva
146
Dézna
Dezna
147
Dicsöszentmárton
Tirnaveni
148
Diód
Stremt
149
Diófás
Nucet
150
Dióshalom
Surdesti
151
Ditró
Ditrau
152
Doboca
Dabica
153
Dombhát
Anies
154
Dragomérfalva
Dragomiresti
155
Drenkova
Drenkova
E
156
Egeres
Aghires
157
Élesd
Alesd
158
Elöpatak
Vilcele
159
Énlaka
Inlaceni
160
Erdöd
Ardud
161
Erdöfelek
....Feleacu
162
Erdöfüle
....Filia
163
Erdöszentgyörgy
Singeorgiu-de-Pâdure
164
Eresztevény
Eresthigin
165
Erked
Archita
166
Érkeserü
..Chesereu
keserü=chesereu= bitter
167
Érmihályfalva
Valea lui Mihai
168
Erösd
Ariusd
169
Érsemlyén
..Simian
170
Értarcsa
..Tarcea
171
Erzsébetváros
Dumbrâveni
172
Esküllö
Astileu
173
Esztelnek
Estelnic
F
174
Farkaslaka
Lupeni
farkas=lup=wolf
175
Farkasrév
Vad
176
Farnas
Sfarasu
177
Fehéregyháza
Albesti...
178
Feketehalom
Codlea
179
Felek
Avrig
180
Felgyógy
Geoagiul-de-Sus
181
Félix-fürdö
Bâile Felix
fürdö=baile=spa
182
Felör
Uriu
183
Felsöbajom
...Bazna
184
Felsöbánya
Baia-Sprie
185
Felsöfüld
Fildu-de-Sus
felsö=de-sus=upper
186
Felsögáld
Galda-de-Sus
187
Felsökálinfalva
... Calinesti
188
Felsöróna
Rona-de-Sus
róna=rona=plain
189
Felsöszálláspatak
Sâlasu-de-Sus
szállás=sâlasu=quarter
190
Felsöszelistye
Selistea-de-Sus
191
Felsöszombatfalva
Simbâta-de-Sus
szombat=simbâta= Saturday
192
Felsötömös
Timisul-de-Sus
193
Felsövisó
Viseu-de-Sus
194
Felvinc
Unirea
195
Fenyöfalva
Bradu
196
Ferencfalva
Vâliug
197
Fiatfalva
Filias
198
Fogaras
Fâgâras
199
Földvár
Feldiora
200
Fugyivásárhely
.....Osorheiu
vásárhely=osorheiu=mmarket-place
201
Füzesmikola
.....Nicula
G
202
Gelence
Ghelinta
203
Gerendkeresztúr
Luncani
204
Gernyeszeg
Gornesti
205
Görgénysóakna
Jabenita
206
Görgényszentimre
Gurghiu....
207
Gyergyóalfalu
.....Joseni
alfalu=joseni=lower village
208
Gyergyófelfalu
.....Suseni
felfalu=suseni=upper village
209
Gyergyóremete
....Remetea
remete=remetea=hermit
210
Gyergyószentmiklós
Gheorgheni.......
211
Gyerövásárhely
Dumbrava
212
Gyimesbükk
Fâget
213
Györgyfalva
Gheorgheni
214
Gyorok
Ghioroc
215
Gyulafehérvár
Alba Iulia
fehér=alba=white Iulia=Julia
216
Gyulakuta
Fintinele
217
Gyulavarsánd
....Vârsand
H
218
Hadad
Hodod
219
Halmágycsúcs
Virfurile
220
Halmi
Halmeu
221
Hargitafürdö
Harghita-Bâi
222
Harina
Herina
223
Hátszeg
Hateg
224
Havasrekettye
....Râchitele
rekettye=râchitele= furze
225
Hégen
Brâdeni
226
Héjjasfalva
Vinâtori
227
Herkulesfürdö
Bâile Herculane
fürdö=bâile=spa
228
Homoród
Homorod
229
Homoród Karácson-falva
.....Crâciunel
230
Homoródalmás
Meresti
231
Homoróddaróc
.....Drâuseni
232
Homoródfürdö
Bâile-Homorod
233
Homoródjánosfalva
.....Jonesti
234
Homoródszentmárton
....Mârtinis
235
Homoródsentpéter
.....Petreni
236
Honctö
Gurahont
237
Hordó
Cosbuc
238
Hosszúrév
Râstoci
I
239
Ikafalva
Icafalâu
falva/falu=falâu= village
240
Illyefalva
Ilieni
241
Iltö
Ilteu
242
Imecsfalva
Imeni
243
Iszló
Isla
244
Izakonyha
Bogdan Voda
J
245
Jakabfalva
Jacobeni
246
Jegenyefürdö
Bâile Leghia
jegenye=leghia=poplar
247
Jód
Ieud
248
Jószáshely
Josâsel
249
Józsefháza
Jojib
K
250
Kackó
Citcâu
251
Kajántó
Chinteni
252
Kalotaszentkirály
ZamSincraiu
253
Kalugyer
Câlugeri
254
Kaplony
Câpleni
255
Kapnikbánya
Cavnic....
256
Kaprevár
Câpriora
Rum. capr=goat, ora=fortress, town. Ora comes from Old Hungarian
257
Karánsebes
Caransebes
sebes = sebes = swift
258
Kastély
Costeiu
kastély = costeiu = manor-house
259
Kászonimpér
....Imper
260
Kecskés
Cozla
261
Kelnek
Cilnic
262
Kerc
Cirta
263
Kerelöszentpál
....Sinpaul
264
Keresd
Cris
265
Keresztényfalva
Cristian
266
Kereszténysziget
Cristian
267
Keresztvár
Teliu
268
Kerlés
Chirales
269
Kérö
Bâita
270
Ketesd
Tetisu
271
Kézdikövár
Petriceni
272
Kézdiszentlélek
...Sinzieni
273
Kézdivásárhely
Tirgu Secuiesc
274
Királyfürdö
Bâile Chirnii
275
Kisbacon
Bâtani-Mici
kis = mici = little
276
Kisbács
Baciu
277
Kisbánya
Bâita
278
Kisdisznód
Cisnâdioara
279
Kisjenö
Chisineu Cris
280
Kiskalán
...Câlan
281
Kiskalota
...Câlâtele
282
Kiskapus
Copsa-Mica
283
Kismajtény
Moftinu Mic
284
Kisnyires
Mesteacân
285
Kissebes
Poieni
286
Kisselyk
Seica Micâ
287
Kissolymos
... Soimus
288
Kistécsö
Huta
289
Kistorony
Turnisor
290
Köaljaohába
Ohaba-de-sub-Piatrâ
291
Kobátfalva
Cobâtesti
292
Köhalom
Rupea
293
Kökös
Chichis
294
Kolibica
Colibita
295
Kolozs
Cojocna
296
Kolozsvár
Cluj-Napoca
Cluj is a corruption of Hung. Kolos (Old Hung. family name). Napoca is of Dacian origin, and it was arbitrarily brought in after 1920.
297
Koltó
Coltâu
298
Konop
Conop
299
Köpec
Chepeti
300
Korond
Corund
301
Koronka
Corunca
302
Körösbánya
Bâia-de-Cris
303
Körösfö
Izvorul Crisului
304
Köröspatak
Criseni....
305
Kovászi
Covâsint
306
Kovászna
Covasna
307
Kövend
Plaesti
308
Kozárvár
Cuzdriora
309
Középajta
Aita Medie
közép=medie=middle
310
Középlak
Cuzaplac
311
Kozmás
Cozmeni
312
Krassóvár
Carasova
313
Kraszna
Crasna
314
Krasznabéltek
....Beltiug
315
Kristyor
Criscioe
316
Kudzsir
Cugir
317
Küküllövár
Cetatea-de-Baltâ
L
318
Lámkerék
Lancrâm
319
Laposnya
Lâpusna
320
Lászlóvára
Coronini
321
Lemhény
Lemnia
322
Lesnyek
Lesnic
323
Lesses
Dealul Frumos
324
Lippa
Lipova
325
Lippafüred
Bâile Lipova
326
Lövéte
Laueta
327
Lugos
Lugoj
328
Lugoskisfalu
Victor Vlad Delamarina
329
Lupény
Lupeni
M
330
Mádéfalva
Siculeni
331
Magyarbikal
.....Bicalatu
Magyar = Hungarian
332
Magyarborzás
.....Borzies
333
Magyarfülpös
.....Filipisu
334
Magyargorbó
.....Girbau
335
Magyargyerömonostor
.....Mânâstireni
336
Magyarhermány
.....Herculian
337
Magyarigen
....Ighiu
338
Magyarókereke
.....Alunisu
339
Magyarremete
.....Remetea
340
Magyarsáros
Delenii
341
Magyarszovát
.....Suatu
342
Magyarvalkó
.....Valceu
343
Magyarvista
......Vistea
344
Magyarzsombor
......Zimboru
345
Majszin
.....Moisei
346
Maksa
Moacsa
347
Malajesd
Mâlâesti
348
Málnás
Malnas
349
Málnásfürdö
Bâile Malnas
350
Malomfalva
Moresti
351
Malomviz
Riu-de-Mori
352
Máragyulafalva
....Giulesti
353
Máramarossziget
Sigethul Marmatiei
sziget = sigethul = isle
354
Máréfalva
Satu Mare
355
Margitta
Marghita
356
Máriaradna
....Radna
357
Maroscsapó
....Cipau
358
Marosdécse
....Decea
359
Marosfö
Izvorul Muresului
360
Maroshévíz
Toplita
361
Maroskeresztúr
.....Cristesti
362
Marosludas
....Ludus
363
Marosnagylak
.....Noslac
364
Marosnémeti
Mintia
365
Marosszentanna
Sintana de Mures
366
Marosszentgyörgy
Singeorgiul de Mures
367
Marosszentkirály
Sincraiul de Mures
368
Marosújvár
Ocna Muresului
369
Marosvásárhely
Tirgu Mures
vásárhely=tirgu=market-place, Mures= the river maros
370
Marosvécse
Brincovenesti
371
Medgyes
Medias
372
Ménes
Minis
ménes=minis=stud-farm
373
Menyháza
Moneasa
374
Méra
Mera
375
Meregyó
Mârgâu
376
Mészkö
Cheia
377
Mesztákon
Mestecân
378
Mézged
Meziad
379
Mezöcsávás
Ceasu de Cimpie
380
Mezökeszü
.....Chesâu
381
Mezökirályfalva
.....Craiesti
382
Mezöszava
.....Sava
383
Mezötelegd
.....Tileagd
384
Mezöveresegyháza
Strugureni
385
Mikháza
Câlugâreni
386
Miklóstelke
Cloasterf
387
Miklósvár
Miclosoara
388
Mikóujfalu
Micfalâu
389
Miriszló
Mirâslau
390
Misztótfalu
Tâuti-de-Jos
391
Mojgrád
Moigrad
392
Monorfalva
Monor....
393
Muzsna
Mosna
N
394
Nádas
Nâdasu
nádas = nâdasu = reedy marsh
395
Nádasdaróc
....Doroltu
396
Nadrág
Nâdrag
nadrág = nâdrag = trousers
397
Nagyajta
Aita Mare
nagy = mare = great
398
Nagyapold
Apoldul-de-Sus
399
Nagybánya
Baia Mare
bánya=baia=mine
400
Nagybáród
.....Borod
401
Nagybaromlak
Valea Viilor
402
Nagyborosnyó
Borosneul-Mare
403
Nagycsür
Sura Mare
404
Nagydisznód
Cisnâdie
405
Nagyekemezö
Tirnava
406
Nagyenyed
....Aiud
407
Nagyernye
....Ernei
408
Nagygalambfalva
Porumbenii Mari
409
Nagyhalmágy
....Hâlmâgiu
410
Nagyiklód
....Iclod
411
Nagykároly
....Carei
Károly=Carei=Charles
412
Nagylak
Nâdlac
413
Nagylupsa
....Lupsa
414
Nagypetri
...Petrindu
415
Nagysármás
....Sarmasu
416
Nagysebes
Valea Drâganului
417
Nagyselyk
Seica Mare
418
Nagysinka
Sinca Mare
419
Nagysomkút
Somcuta Mare
420
Nagyszalonta
.....Salonta
421
Nagyszeben
.....Sibiu
(G.) Hermannstadt
422
Nagyszentmiklós
Sinnicolau Mare
423
Nagyszöllös
424
Nagytalmács
....Talmaciu
425
Nagytopoly
.....Topolovâtu
426
Nagyvárad
....Oradea
427
Nánfalva
Nanesti
428
Naszádos
Plavisevita
429
Naszód
Nâsâud
430
Németság
...Sagu
431
Nuksora
Nucsoara
432
Nyárádköszvényes
Mâtrici
433
Nyárádremete
....Eremitul
434
Nyárádszentlászló
....Sinvasi
435
Nyárádszereda
Miercurea Nirajului
436
Nyáradtö
Ungheni
437
Nyíres
Nires
438
Nyújtód
Lunga
nyújt=lunga='long' to stretch
O
439
Odvas
Odvos
440
Ojtoz
Oituz
441
Oláhtelek
Tohan
.
442
Olasztelek
Tâlisoara
443
Olthévíz
Hoghiz
444
Oltszakadát
...Sâcâdat
445
Oltszem
Olteni
446
Ompolygyepü
Presaca-Ampoiului
447
Oradna
Rodna-Veche
ó = veche = old
448
Oravicabánya
Oravita.....
449
Orczyfalva
Ortisoara
450
Orsova
Orsova
451
Osebeshely
Sibiselul-Vechi
452
Otohán
Tohanul Vechi
Ö
453
Öraljaboldogfalva
Sintamaria-Orlea
454
Ördöngösfüzes
Fizesu Gherlei
455
Örvénd
Urvind
456
Öszény
Izvin
457
Öthalom
Tudor Vladimirescu
P
458
Pálos
Pâulis
459
Pankota
Pincota
460
Paptamási
....Tamaseu
461
Parajd
Praid
462
Partos
Partos
463
Pécska
Pecica
464
Petrozsény
Petrosani
465
Piski
Simeria
466
Piskolt
Piscolt
467
Polyán
Poiana Sibilului
468
Prázsmár
Prejmer
469
Prépostfalva
Steiaris
470
Priszlop
Liviu Rebreanu
471
Puj
Pui
472
Pusztakamarás
.....Câmârasu
473
Pusztaujlak
Uileacu-de-Cis
újlak = uileacu = new home
R
474
Radnót
Iernut
475
Rádós
Roades
476
Rava
Roua
477
Remec
Remeti
478
Remetelórév
....Lorau
479
Rény
Rieni
480
Resicabánya
Resita.....
481
Retteg
Reteag
482
Réty
Reci
483
Rév
Radul Crisului
484
Révkolostor
Vad
485
Rézbánya
.....Bâita
486
Ribice
Ribita
487
Robogány
Râbâgani
488
Rogozsel
Rogojel
489
Románbaksa
.....Bocsa
490
Románszentgyörgy
.....Singeorz-Bâi
491
Rónaszék
Costini
492
Rozália
Rozavlea
493
Rozsonda
Ruja
494
Rugonfalva
Rugânesti
495
Rüsz
Rusi
496
Ruszkabánya
Ruschita
S
497
Sajó
Sieu
498
Sajóudvarhely
Sieu-Odorheiu
499
Sárd
Sard
500
Sárerdö
Padurea Noroieni
erdö=padurea=forest
501
Sárkány
Sercaia
502
Sárköz
Livada
503
Sáromberke
Dumbraviora
504
Sebeshely
Sebisel
505
Sebesvár
Bologa
506
Segesd
Saes
507
Segesvár
Sighisoara
508
Sellenberk
Selimbar
509
Sepsibodok
.....Bodoc
510
Sepsibükszád
.....Bicsad
511
Sepsiszentgyörgy
.....Sfintu Gheorghe
512
Sinfalva
Cornesti
513
Soborsin
Sâvirsin
514
Solymosvár
Soimos....
515
Sólyomköpestes
.......Pestis
516
Somkerék
Sintereag
517
Somlyóújlak
Uileacu Simleului
518
Sövénység
Fiser
(G.)
519
Stájerlakanina
.....Anina
Sz
520
Szabadhely
Simbateni
521
Szacsva
Saciova
522
Szálva
Salva
523
Szamosfalva
Someseni
524
Szaplonca
Sâpinta
525
Szárhegy
Lâzarea
526
Szászbuda
....Bunesti
527
Szászcsór
Sascior
528
Szászdálya
....Daia
529
Szászgorbó
....Girbova
530
Szászhalom
Movile
531
Szászhermány
....Hârman
532
Szászivánfalva
Ighisul-Nou
533
Szászkeresztur
.......Crit
534
Szászkézd
Saschiz
535
Szászmagyarós
....Maerus
536
Szászrégen
.....Reghin
(G.)
537
Szászsebes
...Sebes
538
Szászváros
...Orâstie
539
Szászveresmart
Rotbav
(G.)
540
Szatmárnémeti
Satu Mare
541
Szecsele
Sâcele
542
Szejkefürdö
Siche....
543
Szék
Sic
544
Székelydája
.....Daia
545
Székelyjó
Sâcuien
546
Székelykál
Caluseri
547
Székelykeresztúr
Cristuru Secuiesc
548
Székelyszáldobos
.....Doboseni
549
Székelyszentmihály
...........Mihaileni
550
Székelytamásfalva
....Tamasfalâu
551
Székelyudvarhely
Odorheiu-Secuiesc
552
Székelyvaja
.....Oaia
553
Szelindek
Slimnic
554
Szelistye
Saliste
555
Szentágota
....Agnita
556
Szentanna
Sintana
557
Szentbenedek
Minasteria
558
Szentegyházasfalu
Vlahita
559
Szentgerice
....Gâlâteni
560
Szentivánlaborfalva
Sintion Lunca
561
Szentkatolna
...Câtâlina
562
Szentlélek
Bisericani
563
Szentmihály
Mihai Vitezul
564
Széphely
Jebel
565
Szépvíz
Frumoasa
566
Szépvölgy
Valea Frumoasa
567
Szerdahely
Mercurea
568
Szeretfalva
Sârâtel
569
Szilágycseh
Cehul Silvaniei
570
Szilágynagyfalu
......Nusfalâu
571
Szilágysomlyó
Simleul Silvaniel
572
Szilágyzovány
Zâuan-Bâi
573
Szinérváralja
Seini......
574
Szödemeter
Sauca
575
Szörénybalázsd
Voislova
576
Szováta
Sovata
577
Sztána
Stina
578
Sztojka-fürdö
Stoiceni-Bâi
579
Sztrigyszentgyörgy
Streisingeorgiu
580
Szurdok
Surduc
T
581
Tamáshida
Tâmasda
582
Tardos
Turdas
583
Tasnád
Tâsnad
584
Teke
Teaca
585
Tekeröpatak
Valea-Strimbâ
586
Telcs
Telciu
587
Telna
Celna
588
Temeskalácsa
.....Câlacea
589
Temeskenéz
Satchinez
(G)
590
Temesság
.....Sag
591
Temesvâr
Timisoara
592
Teregova
Teregova
593
Tihuta
Tihuca
594
Tiszóca
Tisovita
595
Topánfalva
Cimpeni
596
Törcsvár
Bran
597
Torda
Turda
598
Torja
Turia
599
Torockó
Rimetea
600
Torockószentgyörgy
Coltesti
601
Tótvárad
....Vârâdia
602
Tövis
Teius
603
Tusnádfürdö
Bâile Tusnad
U
604
Ujváros
Noistat
uj = noi = new város = stat = town
605
Urikány
Uricani
606
Uzon
Ozun
V
607
Vád
Vad
608
Vadász
Vinatori
609
Vajdahunyad
....Hunedoara
610
Váka
Crisan
611
Válaszút
Râscruci
612
Vámfalu
Vama
613
Vámosgátfalva
.....Gânesti
614
Váncsfalva
Oncesti
615
Varádfenes
....Finis
616
Váralja
Subcetatu
617
Váralmás
... Almasu
618
Várfalva
Moldovenesti
619
Vargyas
Virghis
620
Várhely
Sarmisegetuza
Known Dacian capital's name arbitrarily introduced by Rumania.
621
Várkuda
.....Coldâu
622
Vársonkolyos
....Sunsuius
623
Vasasszentgothárd
....Sucutard
624
Vaskoh
Vascâu
625
Veite
Vojteg
(G)
626
Verespatak
Rosia Montana
627
Vice
Vita
628
Viktória-város
Orasul-Victoria
város = orasul = town
629
Világos
Siria
630
Vinga
Vinga
631
Visóoroszi
....Ruscova
632
Vízakna
Ocna Sibiliu
633
Vörösacél
Otelul Rosu
Z
634
Zabola
Zabala
635
Zágon
Zagon
636
Zalán
Zâlan
637
Zalatna
Zlatna
638
Zám
Zam
639
Zaránd
Zârand
640
Zejkány
Zeicani
641
Zernest
Zârnesti
642
Zeykfalva
Streiu
643
Zilah
Zâlâu
Zs
644
Zsibó
Jibou
645
Zsidóvár
Jdioara
646
Zsilyvajdevulkán
Vulcan
647
Zsobok
Jebucu
648
Zsögödfürdö
Jigodin-Bâi
649
Zsombolya
Jimbolia
650
Zsupp
Jupa
SKYNET
01-11-2014, 04:46 PM
Hahahahahah, and you are calling ME Narrow minded, the retard who says "Roman Empire = Romanian Empire" :laugh:
my typo in my text made you smart?
Szegedist
01-11-2014, 04:47 PM
my typo in my text made you smart?
Idiot it was not a typo, you wrote it several times, on purpose.
SKYNET
01-11-2014, 04:53 PM
LISTING OF TRANSYLVANIAN HUNGARIAN PLACE-NAMES AND THEIR RUMANIAN REPLACEMENTS
1. Italics indicate that the Rumanian name of the locality is a direct translation or an approximation by sound and meaning of the original Hungarian name.
2. These Rumanian translations are often abbreviated versions of the original Hungarian names. In such cases in the list below, the missing part is indicated by dots (....)
3. The letter G in brackets after the name of the locality indicates German origin.
4. In Hungarian the attribute always precedes the noun; in the Rumanian translations of Hungarian toponyms the attribute mostly follows the noun. E.g.
- in Hungarian: Nagy(ajta), nagy=great
- in Rumanian: (Aita) Mare mare=great.
In these (and many other) instances, the pronunciation of the name of the locality is almost identical in both languages, but in reverse order.
Item Name in Hungarian Name in Rumanian Comments
A
1
Abrudbánya
Abrud.....
bánya=mine (under-ground)
2
Ádámos
Adamus
3
Aknasugatag
Ocna Sugatag
akna=ocna=shaft (in mining)
4
Ákos
Acis
5
Ákosfalva
Acâtari
6
Aldoboly
Dobolii-de-Jos
al=de-jos=lower
7
Algyógy
Georgiu
8
Alkenyér
Sibot
9
Almakerék
Mâlincrav
10
Almásgalgó
.....Gilgâu
11
Alsóárpás
Arpasul-de-Jos
Alsó=de-Jos=lower
12
Alsócsernáton
Cernat-..-...
13
Alsójára
Jara-de-Jos
14
Alsokosály
Caseiu-..-...
15
Alsópurumbák
Porumbacul-de-Jos
16
Alsórákos
Racosul-de-Jos
17
Alsószilvás
Silvasul-de-Jos
18
Alsószombatfalva
Simbatu-de-Jos
19
Alsótatárlaka
Tartaria-..-...
20
Alsótömös
Timisul-de-Jos
21
Alsóváradja
Oarda-de-Jos
22
Alsóvenice
Venetia-de-Jos
23
Alváca-fürdö
Vata-de-Jos
24
Alvinc
Vintul-de-Jos
25
Angyalos
Anghelus
26
Apahida
Apahida
26
Apanagyfalu
Nuseni
27
Apold
Apold
28
Arad
Arad
29
Aranyosbánya
Baia-de-Aries
30
Aranyosfö
Scârisoara
31
Aranyosgyéres
Cimpia Turzii
32
Aranyoslóna
......Luna
33
Aranyosmeggyes
Mediesul Aurit
34
Aranyosrákos
Valenii de Aries
35
Árapatak
Araci
36
Árkos
Arcus
37
Asszonyrét
Ogradeni
38
Avasfelsöfalu
Negresti-Oas
39
Avasujváros
Orasul Nou
...új...=...nou=new
B
40
Bábolna
Bobilna
41
Bábony
Babiu
42
Baca
Baca
43
Bágyon
Badeni
44
Bajfalu
Dânesti
45
Balánbánya
Bâlan....
46
Balavásár
Bâlâuseri
47
Balázsfalva
Blaj-....
49
Bálványosváralja
Unguras
50
Bánffyhunyad
.......Huedin
51
Bánlaka
Banlaca
52
Bánpatak
Banpotoc
patak=potoc=brook, stream
53
Baráthely
Brâteiu
54
Barcarozsnyó
.....Risnov
55
Bárdfalva
Berbesti
56
Bardóc
Brâdut
57
Báródsomos
Cornitel
58
Barót
Baraolt
59
Batiz
Botiz
61
Bázos
Bazos
62
Bedecs
Bedeciu
63
Bélafalva
Belani....
64
Belényes
Beius
65
Béles
Belis
66
Bencenc
Aurel Vlaicu
67
Bereck
Bretcu
68
Beresztelke
Breaza....
69
Berethalom
Biertan
70
Berzova
Birzava
71
Beszterce
Bistrita
72
Bethlen
Beclean
73
Bethlenszentmiklós
......Sinmiclaus
74
Bibarcfalva
Biborteni
75
Bihar
Biharia
76
Bihardiószeg
......Diosig
77
Biharfélegyháza
Rosiori
78
Biharfüred
Stina de Vale
79
Bikkfalva
Bicalau
80
Bikszádfürdö
Bicsad.....
81
Bodola
Budila
82
Bodrog
Calugâreni
83
Bodva
Bodvaj
84
Bodzaforduló
Intorsatura Buzalui
85
Bogártelke
Bâgara....
86
Bögöz
Mugeni
87
Boholt
Boholt
88
Boksabánya
Bocsa.....
89
Boldogfalva
Feliceni
90
Bölön
Belin
91
Bólya
Buia
92
Bonchida
Bontida
93
Bonyha
Bahnea
94
Borév
Buru
95
Borosjenö
..... Ineu
96
Boroskrakkó
.....Cricâu
97
Borossebes
.....Sebis
98
Bors
Bors
99
Borsa
Borsa
100
Borsabánya
Bâile Borsa
baile=bathing resort
101
Borszék
Borsec
102
Botfalu
Bod....
103
Brád
Brad
104
Branyicska
Branisca
105
Brassó
Brasov
106
Bréb
Breb
107
Bucsa
Bucea
108
Bucsony
Bucium
109
Budfalva
Budesti
110
Büdöspataka
Bizusa-Bâi
111
Buziásfürdö
Buzias.....
C
112
Cebe
Tebea
113
Celna
Telna
114
Csák
Ciacova
115
Csákigorbó
.....Girbau
116
Csarnóháza
Bulz
117
Csatád
Lenauheim
(G)
118
Csernahéviz
Toplet
119
Csicsóholdvilág
Tapu
120
Csicsókápolna
......Capilna
121
Csicsókeresztúr
Cristestii-Ciceului
122
Csicsómihályfalva
Ciceu-Mihâiesti
123
Csíkcsicsó
....Ciceu
124
Csíkdánfalva
.... Dânesti
125
Csíkdelne
....Delnita
126
Csíkmadaras
....Mâdâras
127
Csíkménaság
....Armâseni
128
Csíkszentdomonkos
....Sindominic
szent=sin=saint
129
Csíkszentgyörgy
Ciuc-Singeorgiu
György=Georgiu= George
130
Csíkszentimre
....Sintimbru
131
Csíkszentkirály
....Sincrâeni
132
Csíkszentmihály
....Mihâileni
133
Csíkszentmiklós
.....Nicolesti
134
Csíkszereda
Mircurea Ciuc
135
Csíkzsögöd
Jigodin-Ciuc
136
Csókfalva
Cioc....
137
Csomakörös
.....Chiurus
138
Csucsa
Ciucea
D
139
Dálnok
Dalnic
140
Dános
Danes
141
Dés
Dej
142
Désakna
Ocna Dejului
akna=ocna=shaft(in mining)
143
Désfalva
Deaj....
144
Desze
Desesti
145
Déva
Deva
146
Dézna
Dezna
147
Dicsöszentmárton
Tirnaveni
148
Diód
Stremt
149
Diófás
Nucet
150
Dióshalom
Surdesti
151
Ditró
Ditrau
152
Doboca
Dabica
153
Dombhát
Anies
154
Dragomérfalva
Dragomiresti
155
Drenkova
Drenkova
E
156
Egeres
Aghires
157
Élesd
Alesd
158
Elöpatak
Vilcele
159
Énlaka
Inlaceni
160
Erdöd
Ardud
161
Erdöfelek
....Feleacu
162
Erdöfüle
....Filia
163
Erdöszentgyörgy
Singeorgiu-de-Pâdure
164
Eresztevény
Eresthigin
165
Erked
Archita
166
Érkeserü
..Chesereu
keserü=chesereu= bitter
167
Érmihályfalva
Valea lui Mihai
168
Erösd
Ariusd
169
Érsemlyén
..Simian
170
Értarcsa
..Tarcea
171
Erzsébetváros
Dumbrâveni
172
Esküllö
Astileu
173
Esztelnek
Estelnic
F
174
Farkaslaka
Lupeni
farkas=lup=wolf
175
Farkasrév
Vad
176
Farnas
Sfarasu
177
Fehéregyháza
Albesti...
178
Feketehalom
Codlea
179
Felek
Avrig
180
Felgyógy
Geoagiul-de-Sus
181
Félix-fürdö
Bâile Felix
fürdö=baile=spa
182
Felör
Uriu
183
Felsöbajom
...Bazna
184
Felsöbánya
Baia-Sprie
185
Felsöfüld
Fildu-de-Sus
felsö=de-sus=upper
186
Felsögáld
Galda-de-Sus
187
Felsökálinfalva
... Calinesti
188
Felsöróna
Rona-de-Sus
róna=rona=plain
189
Felsöszálláspatak
Sâlasu-de-Sus
szállás=sâlasu=quarter
190
Felsöszelistye
Selistea-de-Sus
191
Felsöszombatfalva
Simbâta-de-Sus
szombat=simbâta= Saturday
192
Felsötömös
Timisul-de-Sus
193
Felsövisó
Viseu-de-Sus
194
Felvinc
Unirea
195
Fenyöfalva
Bradu
196
Ferencfalva
Vâliug
197
Fiatfalva
Filias
198
Fogaras
Fâgâras
199
Földvár
Feldiora
200
Fugyivásárhely
.....Osorheiu
vásárhely=osorheiu=mmarket-place
201
Füzesmikola
.....Nicula
G
202
Gelence
Ghelinta
203
Gerendkeresztúr
Luncani
204
Gernyeszeg
Gornesti
205
Görgénysóakna
Jabenita
206
Görgényszentimre
Gurghiu....
207
Gyergyóalfalu
.....Joseni
alfalu=joseni=lower village
208
Gyergyófelfalu
.....Suseni
felfalu=suseni=upper village
209
Gyergyóremete
....Remetea
remete=remetea=hermit
210
Gyergyószentmiklós
Gheorgheni.......
211
Gyerövásárhely
Dumbrava
212
Gyimesbükk
Fâget
213
Györgyfalva
Gheorgheni
214
Gyorok
Ghioroc
215
Gyulafehérvár
Alba Iulia
fehér=alba=white Iulia=Julia
216
Gyulakuta
Fintinele
217
Gyulavarsánd
....Vârsand
H
218
Hadad
Hodod
219
Halmágycsúcs
Virfurile
220
Halmi
Halmeu
221
Hargitafürdö
Harghita-Bâi
222
Harina
Herina
223
Hátszeg
Hateg
224
Havasrekettye
....Râchitele
rekettye=râchitele= furze
225
Hégen
Brâdeni
226
Héjjasfalva
Vinâtori
227
Herkulesfürdö
Bâile Herculane
fürdö=bâile=spa
228
Homoród
Homorod
229
Homoród Karácson-falva
.....Crâciunel
230
Homoródalmás
Meresti
231
Homoróddaróc
.....Drâuseni
232
Homoródfürdö
Bâile-Homorod
233
Homoródjánosfalva
.....Jonesti
234
Homoródszentmárton
....Mârtinis
235
Homoródsentpéter
.....Petreni
236
Honctö
Gurahont
237
Hordó
Cosbuc
238
Hosszúrév
Râstoci
I
239
Ikafalva
Icafalâu
falva/falu=falâu= village
240
Illyefalva
Ilieni
241
Iltö
Ilteu
242
Imecsfalva
Imeni
243
Iszló
Isla
244
Izakonyha
Bogdan Voda
J
245
Jakabfalva
Jacobeni
246
Jegenyefürdö
Bâile Leghia
jegenye=leghia=poplar
247
Jód
Ieud
248
Jószáshely
Josâsel
249
Józsefháza
Jojib
K
250
Kackó
Citcâu
251
Kajántó
Chinteni
252
Kalotaszentkirály
ZamSincraiu
253
Kalugyer
Câlugeri
254
Kaplony
Câpleni
255
Kapnikbánya
Cavnic....
256
Kaprevár
Câpriora
Rum. capr=goat, ora=fortress, town. Ora comes from Old Hungarian
257
Karánsebes
Caransebes
sebes = sebes = swift
258
Kastély
Costeiu
kastély = costeiu = manor-house
259
Kászonimpér
....Imper
260
Kecskés
Cozla
261
Kelnek
Cilnic
262
Kerc
Cirta
263
Kerelöszentpál
....Sinpaul
264
Keresd
Cris
265
Keresztényfalva
Cristian
266
Kereszténysziget
Cristian
267
Keresztvár
Teliu
268
Kerlés
Chirales
269
Kérö
Bâita
270
Ketesd
Tetisu
271
Kézdikövár
Petriceni
272
Kézdiszentlélek
...Sinzieni
273
Kézdivásárhely
Tirgu Secuiesc
274
Királyfürdö
Bâile Chirnii
275
Kisbacon
Bâtani-Mici
kis = mici = little
276
Kisbács
Baciu
277
Kisbánya
Bâita
278
Kisdisznód
Cisnâdioara
279
Kisjenö
Chisineu Cris
280
Kiskalán
...Câlan
281
Kiskalota
...Câlâtele
282
Kiskapus
Copsa-Mica
283
Kismajtény
Moftinu Mic
284
Kisnyires
Mesteacân
285
Kissebes
Poieni
286
Kisselyk
Seica Micâ
287
Kissolymos
... Soimus
288
Kistécsö
Huta
289
Kistorony
Turnisor
290
Köaljaohába
Ohaba-de-sub-Piatrâ
291
Kobátfalva
Cobâtesti
292
Köhalom
Rupea
293
Kökös
Chichis
294
Kolibica
Colibita
295
Kolozs
Cojocna
296
Kolozsvár
Cluj-Napoca
Cluj is a corruption of Hung. Kolos (Old Hung. family name). Napoca is of Dacian origin, and it was arbitrarily brought in after 1920.
297
Koltó
Coltâu
298
Konop
Conop
299
Köpec
Chepeti
300
Korond
Corund
301
Koronka
Corunca
302
Körösbánya
Bâia-de-Cris
303
Körösfö
Izvorul Crisului
304
Köröspatak
Criseni....
305
Kovászi
Covâsint
306
Kovászna
Covasna
307
Kövend
Plaesti
308
Kozárvár
Cuzdriora
309
Középajta
Aita Medie
közép=medie=middle
310
Középlak
Cuzaplac
311
Kozmás
Cozmeni
312
Krassóvár
Carasova
313
Kraszna
Crasna
314
Krasznabéltek
....Beltiug
315
Kristyor
Criscioe
316
Kudzsir
Cugir
317
Küküllövár
Cetatea-de-Baltâ
L
318
Lámkerék
Lancrâm
319
Laposnya
Lâpusna
320
Lászlóvára
Coronini
321
Lemhény
Lemnia
322
Lesnyek
Lesnic
323
Lesses
Dealul Frumos
324
Lippa
Lipova
325
Lippafüred
Bâile Lipova
326
Lövéte
Laueta
327
Lugos
Lugoj
328
Lugoskisfalu
Victor Vlad Delamarina
329
Lupény
Lupeni
M
330
Mádéfalva
Siculeni
331
Magyarbikal
.....Bicalatu
Magyar = Hungarian
332
Magyarborzás
.....Borzies
333
Magyarfülpös
.....Filipisu
334
Magyargorbó
.....Girbau
335
Magyargyerömonostor
.....Mânâstireni
336
Magyarhermány
.....Herculian
337
Magyarigen
....Ighiu
338
Magyarókereke
.....Alunisu
339
Magyarremete
.....Remetea
340
Magyarsáros
Delenii
341
Magyarszovát
.....Suatu
342
Magyarvalkó
.....Valceu
343
Magyarvista
......Vistea
344
Magyarzsombor
......Zimboru
345
Majszin
.....Moisei
346
Maksa
Moacsa
347
Malajesd
Mâlâesti
348
Málnás
Malnas
349
Málnásfürdö
Bâile Malnas
350
Malomfalva
Moresti
351
Malomviz
Riu-de-Mori
352
Máragyulafalva
....Giulesti
353
Máramarossziget
Sigethul Marmatiei
sziget = sigethul = isle
354
Máréfalva
Satu Mare
355
Margitta
Marghita
356
Máriaradna
....Radna
357
Maroscsapó
....Cipau
358
Marosdécse
....Decea
359
Marosfö
Izvorul Muresului
360
Maroshévíz
Toplita
361
Maroskeresztúr
.....Cristesti
362
Marosludas
....Ludus
363
Marosnagylak
.....Noslac
364
Marosnémeti
Mintia
365
Marosszentanna
Sintana de Mures
366
Marosszentgyörgy
Singeorgiul de Mures
367
Marosszentkirály
Sincraiul de Mures
368
Marosújvár
Ocna Muresului
369
Marosvásárhely
Tirgu Mures
vásárhely=tirgu=market-place, Mures= the river maros
370
Marosvécse
Brincovenesti
371
Medgyes
Medias
372
Ménes
Minis
ménes=minis=stud-farm
373
Menyháza
Moneasa
374
Méra
Mera
375
Meregyó
Mârgâu
376
Mészkö
Cheia
377
Mesztákon
Mestecân
378
Mézged
Meziad
379
Mezöcsávás
Ceasu de Cimpie
380
Mezökeszü
.....Chesâu
381
Mezökirályfalva
.....Craiesti
382
Mezöszava
.....Sava
383
Mezötelegd
.....Tileagd
384
Mezöveresegyháza
Strugureni
385
Mikháza
Câlugâreni
386
Miklóstelke
Cloasterf
387
Miklósvár
Miclosoara
388
Mikóujfalu
Micfalâu
389
Miriszló
Mirâslau
390
Misztótfalu
Tâuti-de-Jos
391
Mojgrád
Moigrad
392
Monorfalva
Monor....
393
Muzsna
Mosna
N
394
Nádas
Nâdasu
nádas = nâdasu = reedy marsh
395
Nádasdaróc
....Doroltu
396
Nadrág
Nâdrag
nadrág = nâdrag = trousers
397
Nagyajta
Aita Mare
nagy = mare = great
398
Nagyapold
Apoldul-de-Sus
399
Nagybánya
Baia Mare
bánya=baia=mine
400
Nagybáród
.....Borod
401
Nagybaromlak
Valea Viilor
402
Nagyborosnyó
Borosneul-Mare
403
Nagycsür
Sura Mare
404
Nagydisznód
Cisnâdie
405
Nagyekemezö
Tirnava
406
Nagyenyed
....Aiud
407
Nagyernye
....Ernei
408
Nagygalambfalva
Porumbenii Mari
409
Nagyhalmágy
....Hâlmâgiu
410
Nagyiklód
....Iclod
411
Nagykároly
....Carei
Károly=Carei=Charles
412
Nagylak
Nâdlac
413
Nagylupsa
....Lupsa
414
Nagypetri
...Petrindu
415
Nagysármás
....Sarmasu
416
Nagysebes
Valea Drâganului
417
Nagyselyk
Seica Mare
418
Nagysinka
Sinca Mare
419
Nagysomkút
Somcuta Mare
420
Nagyszalonta
.....Salonta
421
Nagyszeben
.....Sibiu
(G.) Hermannstadt
422
Nagyszentmiklós
Sinnicolau Mare
423
Nagyszöllös
424
Nagytalmács
....Talmaciu
425
Nagytopoly
.....Topolovâtu
426
Nagyvárad
....Oradea
427
Nánfalva
Nanesti
428
Naszádos
Plavisevita
429
Naszód
Nâsâud
430
Németság
...Sagu
431
Nuksora
Nucsoara
432
Nyárádköszvényes
Mâtrici
433
Nyárádremete
....Eremitul
434
Nyárádszentlászló
....Sinvasi
435
Nyárádszereda
Miercurea Nirajului
436
Nyáradtö
Ungheni
437
Nyíres
Nires
438
Nyújtód
Lunga
nyújt=lunga='long' to stretch
O
439
Odvas
Odvos
440
Ojtoz
Oituz
441
Oláhtelek
Tohan
.
442
Olasztelek
Tâlisoara
443
Olthévíz
Hoghiz
444
Oltszakadát
...Sâcâdat
445
Oltszem
Olteni
446
Ompolygyepü
Presaca-Ampoiului
447
Oradna
Rodna-Veche
ó = veche = old
448
Oravicabánya
Oravita.....
449
Orczyfalva
Ortisoara
450
Orsova
Orsova
451
Osebeshely
Sibiselul-Vechi
452
Otohán
Tohanul Vechi
Ö
453
Öraljaboldogfalva
Sintamaria-Orlea
454
Ördöngösfüzes
Fizesu Gherlei
455
Örvénd
Urvind
456
Öszény
Izvin
457
Öthalom
Tudor Vladimirescu
P
458
Pálos
Pâulis
459
Pankota
Pincota
460
Paptamási
....Tamaseu
461
Parajd
Praid
462
Partos
Partos
463
Pécska
Pecica
464
Petrozsény
Petrosani
465
Piski
Simeria
466
Piskolt
Piscolt
467
Polyán
Poiana Sibilului
468
Prázsmár
Prejmer
469
Prépostfalva
Steiaris
470
Priszlop
Liviu Rebreanu
471
Puj
Pui
472
Pusztakamarás
.....Câmârasu
473
Pusztaujlak
Uileacu-de-Cis
újlak = uileacu = new home
R
474
Radnót
Iernut
475
Rádós
Roades
476
Rava
Roua
477
Remec
Remeti
478
Remetelórév
....Lorau
479
Rény
Rieni
480
Resicabánya
Resita.....
481
Retteg
Reteag
482
Réty
Reci
483
Rév
Radul Crisului
484
Révkolostor
Vad
485
Rézbánya
.....Bâita
486
Ribice
Ribita
487
Robogány
Râbâgani
488
Rogozsel
Rogojel
489
Románbaksa
.....Bocsa
490
Románszentgyörgy
.....Singeorz-Bâi
491
Rónaszék
Costini
492
Rozália
Rozavlea
493
Rozsonda
Ruja
494
Rugonfalva
Rugânesti
495
Rüsz
Rusi
496
Ruszkabánya
Ruschita
S
497
Sajó
Sieu
498
Sajóudvarhely
Sieu-Odorheiu
499
Sárd
Sard
500
Sárerdö
Padurea Noroieni
erdö=padurea=forest
501
Sárkány
Sercaia
502
Sárköz
Livada
503
Sáromberke
Dumbraviora
504
Sebeshely
Sebisel
505
Sebesvár
Bologa
506
Segesd
Saes
507
Segesvár
Sighisoara
508
Sellenberk
Selimbar
509
Sepsibodok
.....Bodoc
510
Sepsibükszád
.....Bicsad
511
Sepsiszentgyörgy
.....Sfintu Gheorghe
512
Sinfalva
Cornesti
513
Soborsin
Sâvirsin
514
Solymosvár
Soimos....
515
Sólyomköpestes
.......Pestis
516
Somkerék
Sintereag
517
Somlyóújlak
Uileacu Simleului
518
Sövénység
Fiser
(G.)
519
Stájerlakanina
.....Anina
Sz
520
Szabadhely
Simbateni
521
Szacsva
Saciova
522
Szálva
Salva
523
Szamosfalva
Someseni
524
Szaplonca
Sâpinta
525
Szárhegy
Lâzarea
526
Szászbuda
....Bunesti
527
Szászcsór
Sascior
528
Szászdálya
....Daia
529
Szászgorbó
....Girbova
530
Szászhalom
Movile
531
Szászhermány
....Hârman
532
Szászivánfalva
Ighisul-Nou
533
Szászkeresztur
.......Crit
534
Szászkézd
Saschiz
535
Szászmagyarós
....Maerus
536
Szászrégen
.....Reghin
(G.)
537
Szászsebes
...Sebes
538
Szászváros
...Orâstie
539
Szászveresmart
Rotbav
(G.)
540
Szatmárnémeti
Satu Mare
541
Szecsele
Sâcele
542
Szejkefürdö
Siche....
543
Szék
Sic
544
Székelydája
.....Daia
545
Székelyjó
Sâcuien
546
Székelykál
Caluseri
547
Székelykeresztúr
Cristuru Secuiesc
548
Székelyszáldobos
.....Doboseni
549
Székelyszentmihály
...........Mihaileni
550
Székelytamásfalva
....Tamasfalâu
551
Székelyudvarhely
Odorheiu-Secuiesc
552
Székelyvaja
.....Oaia
553
Szelindek
Slimnic
554
Szelistye
Saliste
555
Szentágota
....Agnita
556
Szentanna
Sintana
557
Szentbenedek
Minasteria
558
Szentegyházasfalu
Vlahita
559
Szentgerice
....Gâlâteni
560
Szentivánlaborfalva
Sintion Lunca
561
Szentkatolna
...Câtâlina
562
Szentlélek
Bisericani
563
Szentmihály
Mihai Vitezul
564
Széphely
Jebel
565
Szépvíz
Frumoasa
566
Szépvölgy
Valea Frumoasa
567
Szerdahely
Mercurea
568
Szeretfalva
Sârâtel
569
Szilágycseh
Cehul Silvaniei
570
Szilágynagyfalu
......Nusfalâu
571
Szilágysomlyó
Simleul Silvaniel
572
Szilágyzovány
Zâuan-Bâi
573
Szinérváralja
Seini......
574
Szödemeter
Sauca
575
Szörénybalázsd
Voislova
576
Szováta
Sovata
577
Sztána
Stina
578
Sztojka-fürdö
Stoiceni-Bâi
579
Sztrigyszentgyörgy
Streisingeorgiu
580
Szurdok
Surduc
T
581
Tamáshida
Tâmasda
582
Tardos
Turdas
583
Tasnád
Tâsnad
584
Teke
Teaca
585
Tekeröpatak
Valea-Strimbâ
586
Telcs
Telciu
587
Telna
Celna
588
Temeskalácsa
.....Câlacea
589
Temeskenéz
Satchinez
(G)
590
Temesság
.....Sag
591
Temesvâr
Timisoara
592
Teregova
Teregova
593
Tihuta
Tihuca
594
Tiszóca
Tisovita
595
Topánfalva
Cimpeni
596
Törcsvár
Bran
597
Torda
Turda
598
Torja
Turia
599
Torockó
Rimetea
600
Torockószentgyörgy
Coltesti
601
Tótvárad
....Vârâdia
602
Tövis
Teius
603
Tusnádfürdö
Bâile Tusnad
U
604
Ujváros
Noistat
uj = noi = new város = stat = town
605
Urikány
Uricani
606
Uzon
Ozun
V
607
Vád
Vad
608
Vadász
Vinatori
609
Vajdahunyad
....Hunedoara
610
Váka
Crisan
611
Válaszút
Râscruci
612
Vámfalu
Vama
613
Vámosgátfalva
.....Gânesti
614
Váncsfalva
Oncesti
615
Varádfenes
....Finis
616
Váralja
Subcetatu
617
Váralmás
... Almasu
618
Várfalva
Moldovenesti
619
Vargyas
Virghis
620
Várhely
Sarmisegetuza
Known Dacian capital's name arbitrarily introduced by Rumania.
621
Várkuda
.....Coldâu
622
Vársonkolyos
....Sunsuius
623
Vasasszentgothárd
....Sucutard
624
Vaskoh
Vascâu
625
Veite
Vojteg
(G)
626
Verespatak
Rosia Montana
627
Vice
Vita
628
Viktória-város
Orasul-Victoria
város = orasul = town
629
Világos
Siria
630
Vinga
Vinga
631
Visóoroszi
....Ruscova
632
Vízakna
Ocna Sibiliu
633
Vörösacél
Otelul Rosu
Z
634
Zabola
Zabala
635
Zágon
Zagon
636
Zalán
Zâlan
637
Zalatna
Zlatna
638
Zám
Zam
639
Zaránd
Zârand
640
Zejkány
Zeicani
641
Zernest
Zârnesti
642
Zeykfalva
Streiu
643
Zilah
Zâlâu
Zs
644
Zsibó
Jibou
645
Zsidóvár
Jdioara
646
Zsilyvajdevulkán
Vulcan
647
Zsobok
Jebucu
648
Zsögödfürdö
Jigodin-Bâi
649
Zsombolya
Jimbolia
650
Zsupp
Jupa
after a massive hun invasion and occupation of Transylvania, all the settlements were renamed that belong to Romania
Vlach
01-11-2014, 04:56 PM
LISTING OF TRANSYLVANIAN HUNGARIAN PLACE-NAMES AND THEIR RUMANIAN REPLACEMENTS
Zsilyvajdevulkán
Vulcan
Vasasszentgothárd
Sucutard
Torockószentgyörgy
Coltesti
Szentegyházasfalu
Vlahita
Románszentgyörgy
Singeorz-Bâi
What you want to prove, the hungarian is a ugly language? :rotfl::fcrazy::fcrazy::fcrazy:
SKYNET
01-11-2014, 05:02 PM
Idiot it was not a typo, you wrote it several times, on purpose.
Romanians are Romanians like Romansh are Romansh, and these both people have direct descent from Roman Empire.
How about you guys?
http://www.eliznik.org.uk/EastEurope/History/migration-map/hungarian-emap.GIF
and judging by you I am still an idiot,your arrogance and ignorance at the same time
Szegedist
01-11-2014, 05:03 PM
after a massive hun invasion and occupation of Transylvania, all the settlements were renamed that belong to Romania
AHhahaha, you are such a retardescu. Proof proof proof idiot! You have none!
You are lying so much, that soon your nose will be so long that it will stick out of Velaxas throat.
Szegedist
01-11-2014, 05:05 PM
Romanians are Romanians like Romansh are Romans, and these both people have direct descent from Roman Empire.
:picard1:
Did you even read what you just said?
And you are wrong, roma-nians are Romanized Gypsies/slaves of the Roman Empire which inhabited the South Balkan, before migrating Northwards.
Szegedist
01-11-2014, 05:12 PM
Romanians are Romanians like Romansh are Romansh, and these both people have direct descent from Roman Empire.
How about you guys?
http://www.eliznik.org.uk/EastEurope/History/migration-map/hungarian-emap.GIF
and judging by you I am still an idiot,your arrogance and ignorance at the same time
Here are your "European" Romanians
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/735088_500403026687360_522565905_n.jpg
SKYNET
01-11-2014, 05:32 PM
:picard1:
Did you even read what you just said?
And you are wrong, roma-nians are Romanized Gypsies/slaves of the Roman Empire which inhabited the South Balkan, before migrating Northwards.
did you even learn something about the origin of gypsies? I thought you are smart, and now I've noticed you are completely idiot. In the middle ages the population among gypsies was low and had minority, I think you should visit your hungarian districts frequently where absolutely majority are gypsies
http://hungarynews.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/ancient-home-of-hungarians.jpg
assimilated asians nowadays :p
SKYNET
01-11-2014, 05:38 PM
Here are your "European" Romanians
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/735088_500403026687360_522565905_n.jpg
Now it's time for cherry picking, eh? Let me guess, you probably took from the activists site who is supporting Elena Sabina?
Vlach
01-11-2014, 05:42 PM
Here are your "European" Romanians
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/735088_500403026687360_522565905_n.jpg
Hungarians
http://www.stefan-pochmann.info/spocc/other_stuff/events/budapest2005/images/P1010008.JPG
second line on google images
Szegedist
01-11-2014, 06:51 PM
did you even learn something about the origin of gypsies? I thought you are smart, and now I've noticed you are completely idiot. In the middle ages the population among gypsies was low and had minority, I think you should visit your hungarian districts frequently where absolutely majority are gypsies
Your broken dribbles make little sense.
http://hungarynews.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/ancient-home-of-hungarians.jpg
assimilated asians nowadays :p
You have the heart, soul and culture of a gypo. It doesn't matter if we come from Asia, Hungarians are more succesful and more European than "Romanians".
SKYNET
01-11-2014, 06:53 PM
Your broken dribbles make little sense.
You have the heart, soul and culture of a gypo. It doesn't matter if we come from Asia, Hungarians are more succesful and more European than "Romanians".
your ugly alien language, asian culture and mentality have nothing to do with Europe. It's what you can't accept
Szegedist
01-11-2014, 06:58 PM
your ugly alien language, asian culture and mentality have nothing to do with Europe. It's what you can't accept
FACTS:
1) Hungarian is a beautiful language.
2) Hungarians are a civilised, cultured people
3) Romanian culture, mentality, looks are very primitive and uncivilised. The whole world thinks of you as gypsies.
SKYNET
01-11-2014, 07:14 PM
FACTS:
1) Hungarian is a beautiful language.
2) Hungarians are a civilised, cultured people
3) Romanian culture, mentality, looks are very primitive and uncivilised. The whole world thinks of you as gypsies.
only in your dream :rolleyes:
Kiyant
01-11-2014, 07:17 PM
only in your dream :rolleyes:
Not really
SKYNET
01-11-2014, 07:22 PM
Not really
http://www.kurdmedia.com/pix/kurdistan_map3b.jpg
:thumb001:
Kiyant
01-11-2014, 07:26 PM
http://www.kurdmedia.com/pix/kurdistan_map3b.jpg
:thumb001:
Wishfull thinking which doesnt even make sense
Szegedist
01-11-2014, 07:27 PM
only in your dream :rolleyes:
And reality too.
SKYNET
01-11-2014, 07:57 PM
Wishfull thinking which doesnt even make sense
Not really
Wishfull thinking which doesnt even make sense
Vlach
01-12-2014, 09:52 AM
FACTS:
1) Hungarian is a beautiful language.
2) Hungarians are a civilised, cultured people
3) Romanian culture, mentality, looks are very primitive and uncivilised. The whole world thinks of you as gypsies.
Beautiful language? LOLOLOLOL
Hungarians are not civilised
Romanian culture is far superior than yours. For example we have our own architecture style, you dont
blogen
01-12-2014, 10:34 AM
For example we have our own architecture style, you dont
:picard1:
Some example onto the major specific Hungarian architectural styles from the last hundred years:
Hungarian late eclecticism (Lechner Ödön, Lajta Béla, Maróti Géza, etc. for example), the national style (nemzeti stílus):
http://egykor.hu/images/2010/original/budapest-postatakarekpenztar-szekhaza-jelenleg.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/hu/2/25/Iparm%C5%B1v%C3%A9szeti_m%C3%BAzeum_1.jpg
http://www.felsofokon.hu/sites/default/files/users/turisztikai-latvanyossagok/images/kek-templom-5258.jpg
Hungarian pre-postmodern or völkish-modern (Kós Károly for example), the Transsylvanian style (erdélyi stílus):
http://bagyinszki.eu/galleries/sepsiszentgyorgy_szekely_nemzeti_muzeum/sepsiszentgyorgy_szekely_nemzeti_muzeum_03.jpg
http://img.index.hu/cikkepek/0808/kult/wekerle/.gdata/a6_D__ZA2008082619.jpg
http://static3.architectforum.hu/files2012/n00/02/21/14/body/qvsgmb-sztana-varjuvar.jpg
Hungarian postmodern (Makovecz Imre, etc.), Makovecz style (makoveczi stílus):
http://loveandunity.interneteurope.eu/~mimhu/database/photos/big/20011a.jpg
http://static.orszagalbum.hu/nagy/1271935152.jpg
http://www.kephost.com/images4/2012/10/5/a1_2012_10_5_cmahazcwqw.jpg
Vlach
01-12-2014, 10:39 AM
:picard1:
Some example onto the major specific Hungarian architectural styles from the last hundred years:
Hungarian late eclecticism (Lechner Ödön, Lajta Béla, Maróti Géza, etc. for example), the national style (nemzeti stílus):
http://egykor.hu/images/2010/original/budapest-postatakarekpenztar-szekhaza-jelenleg.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/hu/2/25/Iparm%C5%B1v%C3%A9szeti_m%C3%BAzeum_1.jpg
http://www.felsofokon.hu/sites/default/files/users/turisztikai-latvanyossagok/images/kek-templom-5258.jpg
Hungarian pre-postmodern or völkish-modern (Kós Károly for example), the Transsylvanian style (erdélyi stílus):
http://bagyinszki.eu/galleries/sepsiszentgyorgy_szekely_nemzeti_muzeum/sepsiszentgyorgy_szekely_nemzeti_muzeum_03.jpg
http://img.index.hu/cikkepek/0808/kult/wekerle/.gdata/a6_D__ZA2008082619.jpg
http://static3.architectforum.hu/files2012/n00/02/21/14/body/qvsgmb-sztana-varjuvar.jpg
Hungarian postmodern (Makovecz Imre, etc.), Makovecz style (makoveczi stílus):
http://loveandunity.interneteurope.eu/~mimhu/database/photos/big/20011a.jpg
http://static.orszagalbum.hu/nagy/1271935152.jpg
http://www.kephost.com/images4/2012/10/5/a1_2012_10_5_cmahazcwqw.jpg
Was invented by Hungarians?
blogen
01-12-2014, 10:52 AM
Was invented by Hungarians?
I signed the most considerable Hungarian architects' name, they were the inventors, they made the programs to these styles and this was only from the last hundred years! The Hungarian architecture did his own style always since the 11th century. And the situation is similar in Europe (not in the Balkan!) from Hungary to England. Every great European nation have dozen own style.
You have only one style from the last centuries, the Brâncovenesc. This is not a big thing.
Vlach
01-12-2014, 11:05 AM
I signed the most considerable Hungarian architects' name, they were the inventors, they made the programs to these styles and this was only from the last hundred years! The Hungarian architecture did his own style always since the 11th century. And the situation is similar in Europe (not in the Balkan!) from Hungary to England. Every great European nation have dozen own style.
You have only one style from the last centuries, the Brâncovenesc. This is not a big thing.
We have 3 styles, not only 1.
Give me the hungarians style since 11th century.
And great nation? Hungary since ottoman invasion is a shitty nation
blogen
01-12-2014, 01:02 PM
And great nation? Hungary since ottoman invasion is a shitty nation
And Romania is a shitty nation since the beginning.
We have 3 styles, not only 1.
Give me the hungarians style since 11th century.
The basic outline. The basic styles and the specific Hungarian substyles (in all artistic branches from the architecture to the jewelry) with existing and the destroyed examples. These styles separated from the neighbouring countries' styles and the local versions of the European architecture. Than the Brâncovenesc style of the Byzanto-Ottoman architecture.
11-12th century: the Hungarian Byzantine styles: Hungarian synthesis between the Byzantine architecture and the Italian Romance
- considerable abbeys, for example Feldebrő (http://media.vendegvaro.hu/13/13406/24448.jpg)
11-13th century: the Hungarian Romance styles: Hungarian synthesis between the Magyar nomad (in the decorative art) and the Italian Romance art and later with German effects
- Hungarian early rural Romance, mostly Rotundas, for example Öskü (http://keptar.karpat-medence.hu/galleries/Magyarorszag/Veszprem/Osku-Kerektemplom/osku-kerektemplom_02.jpg) or brick Romance churches, for example Csempeszkopács (http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/17804670.jpg)
- Hungarian mature Romance, for example cathedral of Pécs and the Hungarian mature brick-Romance, for example Ákos (http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/58044510.jpg) or the romance phase of the destroyed main church of Székesfehérvár or the cathedral of Esztergom
- Hungarian late Romance, for example abbey of Ják (http://pctrs.network.hu/clubpicture/8/6/8/_/jaki_templom__2006_868230_42213.jpg), or the partially destroyed abbey of Zsámbék (http://www.medicontur.com/files/Contact/Zsambek_.jpg)
14-15th century: the Hungarian Gothic styles: Hungarian synthesis between the French and German gothic styles with Hungarian Romance heritage.
- Hungarian early Gothic, for example the cathedral of Gyulafehérvár (http://www.fordfocus.hu/albums/album1134/DSCF1611.jpg) or the destroyed cathedral of Kalocsa (http://muvtor.btk.ppke.hu/romanika/kalocre3.gif)
- Hungarian mature Gothic, for example the Kecske templom in Sopron (http://static.orszagalbum.hu/nagy/1289665951.jpg) or the destroyed cathedral of Eger or Nagyvárad
- Hungarian late Gothic, for example the Szent Mihály church in Kolozsvár (http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/12797173.jpg) or the destroyed late gothic main church of Székesfehérvár, castle of Hunyad (http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/38225895.jpg) or the destroyed royal palace of Buda (http://budapestcity.org/10-var/1458-I-Matyas-kora/1470-rekonstrukcios-rajz.jpg), especially the Friss palace (http://mek.oszk.hu/01900/01948/html/cd3m/kepek/torteneti_foldrajz/tf212zl8159.jpg) or the archbishop's palace of Esztergom. (http://www.castrumbene.hu/images/web/cb/2002_7_esztergom_vitez_j._palotaja.jpg)
- The Hungarian brick Gothic (Egervár-school), for example the abbey of Szeged. (http://www.zoldmuves.hu/sites/zoldmuves.hu/files/tervezok/szeged-alsovaros-matyas-ter-es-ferences-kolostor-kertjeinek-rendezese/szegedalsovartos03.jpg)
- Hungarian völkish gothic, for example the wooden belfries in Hungary and Transsylvania, for example in Nyírbátor (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Nyirbator_reftemplom.jpg)
16-17th century: the Hungarian Renaissance styles
- Hungarian mature renaissance, for example Sopronkereszttúr (http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/66829700.jpg)
- Hungarian late renaissance, for example Sárospatak (http://static.orszagalbum.hu/nagy/1233092770.jpg)
- Hungarian late renaissance, the Transsylvanian style, for example Bethlenszentmiklós (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-O8_hm93w9r0/TdwJetS57iI/AAAAAAAAD70/-JMK6jD-t2c/s1600/DSC03800.JPG), Fogaras (http://22nap.egologo.transindex.ro/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/163_x_k.jpg)
- Hungarian völkish renaissance. For example the painted ceilings (http://sandorson.fw.hu/Szatmar/24-tak.jpg), or the basic Hungarian rural house form in the Periphery (Highland, Transsylvania), (http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/8326542.jpg) Palóc ház (http://itthon.hu/site/upload/2009/09/kulso3.jpg)
18th century: the Hungarian Baroque styles:
- Hungarian late Baroque, for examplte the cathedral of Vác (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_gSqETFJkpDE/TLIf_V_0n3I/AAAAAAAABDY/hlUSwj_CZN0/s1600/P8148128.JPG)
- völkish baroque, the typical Hungarian house form in the Plain and Transdanubia (http://pctrs.network.hu/clubpicture/1/2/6/1/_/halaszi_nepi_epiteszet_remekei_barokk_stilusu_haza k_2011_szeptember_24en_1261818_1812.JPG) and the basic rural manor house type of the rural nobility (http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/67673606.jpg). This is the Hungarian folk art fundamentally.
19th century: the Hungarian premodern styles: the straight continuation of the Hungarian late Baroque with more simplicity in the classicism and Italian influence in the eclecticism.
- Hungarian classicism, for example the county houses (http://utrakelo-irodalom.hu/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/A-r%C3%A9gi-megyeh%C3%A1za.jpg).
- Hungarian eclectisicm, the Hungarian neo-renaissance, the most important Hungarian style. Hungary's characteristic eclectic architecture and the style has a considerable effect on the dual monarchy's architecture. But this is basically a Budapester style, this is the 19th century Budapest. For example the average house in Budapest. (http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/28761712.jpg)
20th century: the Hungarian modern and postmodern styles (see above!)
- Hungarian late eclecticism, the national style
- Hungarian völkish modern, the Transsylvanian style
- Hungarian postmodern, the Makovecz style
- Hungarian late völkish modern, the cube-house style (http://maxingatlan.hu/max-office/ingatlanok/11722/SANY0031.png), the last Hungarian folk art from the second half of the 20th century before the cultural industrialization of the rural areas.
I'm not sure that the list is full.
Vlach
01-12-2014, 02:11 PM
And Romania is a shitty nation since the beginning.
The basic outline. The basic styles and the specific Hungarian substyles (in all artistic branches from the architecture to the jewelry) with existing and the destroyed examples. These styles separated from the neighbouring countries' styles and the local versions of the European architecture. Than the Brâncovenesc style of the Byzanto-Ottoman architecture.
11-12th century: the Hungarian Byzantine styles: Hungarian synthesis between the Byzantine architecture and the Italian Romance
- considerable abbeys, for example Feldebrő (http://media.vendegvaro.hu/13/13406/24448.jpg)
11-13th century: the Hungarian Romance styles: Hungarian synthesis between the Magyar nomad (in the decorative art) and the Italian Romance art and later with German effects
- Hungarian early rural Romance, mostly Rotundas, for example Öskü (http://keptar.karpat-medence.hu/galleries/Magyarorszag/Veszprem/Osku-Kerektemplom/osku-kerektemplom_02.jpg) or brick Romance churches, for example Csempeszkopács (http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/17804670.jpg)
- Hungarian mature Romance, for example cathedral of Pécs and the Hungarian mature brick-Romance, for example Ákos (http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/58044510.jpg) or the romance phase of the destroyed main church of Székesfehérvár or the cathedral of Esztergom
- Hungarian late Romance, for example abbey of Ják (http://pctrs.network.hu/clubpicture/8/6/8/_/jaki_templom__2006_868230_42213.jpg), or the partially destroyed abbey of Zsámbék (http://www.medicontur.com/files/Contact/Zsambek_.jpg)
14-15th century: the Hungarian Gothic styles: Hungarian synthesis between the French and German gothic styles with Hungarian Romance heritage.
- Hungarian early Gothic, for example the cathedral of Gyulafehérvár (http://www.fordfocus.hu/albums/album1134/DSCF1611.jpg) or the destroyed cathedral of Kalocsa (http://muvtor.btk.ppke.hu/romanika/kalocre3.gif)
- Hungarian mature Gothic, for example the Kecske templom in Sopron (http://static.orszagalbum.hu/nagy/1289665951.jpg) or the destroyed cathedral of Eger or Nagyvárad
- Hungarian late Gothic, for example the Szent Mihály church in Kolozsvár (http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/12797173.jpg) or the destroyed late gothic main church of Székesfehérvár, castle of Hunyad (http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/38225895.jpg) or the destroyed royal palace of Buda (http://budapestcity.org/10-var/1458-I-Matyas-kora/1470-rekonstrukcios-rajz.jpg), especially the Friss palace (http://mek.oszk.hu/01900/01948/html/cd3m/kepek/torteneti_foldrajz/tf212zl8159.jpg) or the archbishop's palace of Esztergom. (http://www.castrumbene.hu/images/web/cb/2002_7_esztergom_vitez_j._palotaja.jpg)
- The Hungarian brick Gothic (Egervár-school), for example the abbey of Szeged. (http://www.zoldmuves.hu/sites/zoldmuves.hu/files/tervezok/szeged-alsovaros-matyas-ter-es-ferences-kolostor-kertjeinek-rendezese/szegedalsovartos03.jpg)
- Hungarian völkish gothic, for example the wooden belfries in Hungary and Transsylvania, for example in Nyírbátor (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Nyirbator_reftemplom.jpg)
16-17th century: the Hungarian Renaissance styles
- Hungarian mature renaissance, for example Sopronkereszttúr (http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/66829700.jpg)
- Hungarian late renaissance, for example Sárospatak (http://static.orszagalbum.hu/nagy/1233092770.jpg)
- Hungarian late renaissance, the Transsylvanian style, for example Bethlenszentmiklós (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-O8_hm93w9r0/TdwJetS57iI/AAAAAAAAD70/-JMK6jD-t2c/s1600/DSC03800.JPG), Fogaras (http://22nap.egologo.transindex.ro/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/163_x_k.jpg)
- Hungarian völkish renaissance. For example the painted ceilings (http://sandorson.fw.hu/Szatmar/24-tak.jpg), or the basic Hungarian rural house form in the Periphery (Highland, Transsylvania), (http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/8326542.jpg) Palóc ház (http://itthon.hu/site/upload/2009/09/kulso3.jpg)
18th century: the Hungarian Baroque styles:
- Hungarian late Baroque, for examplte the cathedral of Vác (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_gSqETFJkpDE/TLIf_V_0n3I/AAAAAAAABDY/hlUSwj_CZN0/s1600/P8148128.JPG)
- völkish baroque, the typical Hungarian house form in the Plain and Transdanubia (http://pctrs.network.hu/clubpicture/1/2/6/1/_/halaszi_nepi_epiteszet_remekei_barokk_stilusu_haza k_2011_szeptember_24en_1261818_1812.JPG) and the basic rural manor house type of the rural nobility (http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/67673606.jpg). This is the Hungarian folk art fundamentally.
19th century: the Hungarian premodern styles: the straight continuation of the Hungarian late Baroque with more simplicity in the classicism and Italian influence in the eclecticism.
- Hungarian classicism, for example the county houses (http://utrakelo-irodalom.hu/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/A-r%C3%A9gi-megyeh%C3%A1za.jpg).
- Hungarian eclectisicm, the Hungarian neo-renaissance, the most important Hungarian style. Hungary's characteristic eclectic architecture and the style has a considerable effect on the dual monarchy's architecture. But this is basically a Budapester style, this is the 19th century Budapest. For example the average house in Budapest. (http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/28761712.jpg)
20th century: the Hungarian modern and postmodern styles (see above!)
- Hungarian late eclecticism, the national style
- Hungarian völkish modern, the Transsylvanian style
- Hungarian postmodern, the Makovecz style
- Hungarian late völkish modern, the cube-house style (http://maxingatlan.hu/max-office/ingatlanok/11722/SANY0031.png), the last Hungarian folk art from the second half of the 20th century before the cultural industrialization of the rural areas.
I'm not sure that the list is full.
Unimportant styles and with almost no difference from the original and few buildings.
Wallachia and Moldova have fighting for independence and have had more years of indepdence than your homosexual country
blogen
01-12-2014, 02:58 PM
Unimportant styles and with almost no difference from the original and few buildings. Wallachia and Moldova have fighting for independence and have had more years of indepdence than your homosexual country
Thousands and thousands buildings. But you are a Balkanite only, you know nothing about the European culture, because of this you do not see the regional and artistic difference in Europe, than the Chineses between the whites. But I understand this, since for me the Brâncovenesc style is only an average Balkano-Anatolian architecture, from somewhere between Armenia and the Balkan.
ps. Hungary is independent since 1000AD. And we lost my independence only between 1849-1867 and 1944-1989. So this is 937 years of independence and 63 years of occupation. The vassal principalties: Wallachia and Moldova were never indepdendent and the creation of Romania started only in the 19th century, so if we do not count your wandering between India and Romania, then the Romanian freedom is a very young thing.
Vlach
01-12-2014, 03:07 PM
Thousands and thousands buildings. But you are a Balkanite only, you know nothing about the European culture, because of this you do not see the regional and artistic difference in Europe, than the Chineses between the whites. But I understand this, since for me the Brâncovenesc style is only an average Balkano-Anatolian architecture, from somewhere between Armenia and the Balkan.
ps. Hungary is independent since 1000AD. And we lost my independence only between 1849-1867 and 1944-1989. So this is 937 years of independence and 63 years of occupation. The vassal principalties: Wallachia and Moldova were never indepdendent and the creation of Romania started only in the 19th century, so if we do not count your wandering between India and Romania, then the Romanian freedom is a very young thing.
Epic hunGAYrian nationalist.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Habsburg_Hereditary_Lands_%281789%29.svg
http://www.allaboutturkey.com/img/ottoman-empire-1580.gif
blogen
01-12-2014, 03:18 PM
Epic hunGAYrian nationalist.
What?
Oh yes, you do not know the fundamental European political concepts. For example the personal union, when two or more independent entities have a common ruler! You live in a different world in the Balkan, with different culture, history and political concepts.
Ps. And the Ottomans never conquered the full Hungarian Kingdom.
Vlach
01-12-2014, 03:21 PM
What?
Oh yes, you do not know the fundamental European political concepts. For example the personal union, when two or more independent entities have a common ruler! And the Ottomans never conquered the full Hungarian Kingdom.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Europe_map_1600.jpg
blogen
01-12-2014, 03:39 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Europe_map_1600.jpg
"Crown of Hungary"
What the "crown*" and the "coronation**" means of course a big enigma for the Balkanites! :D
*independence in the European political law
**declaration of the independence
If, that crown is independent of other entities. And Saint Stephen's Crown is idependent since the Pope sent the crown and not the Holy Roman Emperor. This was moment when a Habsburg apparent to the throne and the Hungarian orders acknowledges it, that in Hungary he is the king and he rule as a king: the coronation. For example the coronation of Matthias II in 1608:
http://mek.niif.hu/00800/00893/html/img/nagy/2e85.jpg
Legitimacy, the fundamental requirement in Europe, but an unknown concept on the Balkan.
Vlach
01-12-2014, 03:48 PM
"Crown of Hungary"
What the "crown*" and the "coronation**" means of course a big enigma for the Balkanites! :D
*independence in the European political law
**declaration of the independence
If, that crown is independent of other entities. And Saint Stephen's Crown is idependent since the Pope sent the crown and not the Holy Roman Emperor. This was moment when a Habsburg apparent to the throne and the Hungarian orders acknowledges it, that in Hungary he is the king and he rule as a king: the coronation. For example the coronation of Matthias II in 1608:
http://mek.niif.hu/00800/00893/html/img/nagy/2e85.jpg
Legitimacy, the fundamental requirement in Europe, but an unknown concept on the Balkan.
And that means, wallachia and moldova was independents?
I like how you think bozgoria is a superior country for balkan countries :))))))))) =)))))))
Stfu austrians slave
SKYNET
01-12-2014, 03:51 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman%E2%80%93Hungarian_Wars :p
Vlach
01-12-2014, 03:53 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman%E2%80%93Hungarian_Wars :p
Stop arguing with them, they don't have the balls to accept the bad parts of their own history
blogen
01-12-2014, 04:19 PM
And that means, wallachia and moldova was independents?
No, they did not have an independent crown since their leaders renounced the independence with many occasions. For example Basarab, the Wallachian principality's organizer was the Hungarian king's vassal. The Wallachian principality lost its independence in the European law because of this. The Moldova situation was similar and the principalities never recovered their independence. The Hungarian king acknowledged the successor state Romania as independent on the Berlin congress only.
Coronation of Lipót I (1657 – 1705):
http://mek.niif.hu/00800/00893/html/img/nagy/3245.jpg
One of the flags was flag of Cumania. Cumania was the predecestor entity of Moldova and Wallachia. This was the legal act of the supremacy's manifestation. Franz Joseph was the first king who used the flag symbolically only in the coronation.
I like how you think bozgoria is a superior country for balkan countries :))))))))) =)))))))
Stfu austrians slave
The cursing does not help you. :D
blogen
01-12-2014, 04:20 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman%E2%80%93Hungarian_Wars :p
?
Vlach
01-12-2014, 04:21 PM
No, they did not have an independent crown since their leaders renounced the independence with many occasions. For example Basarab, the Wallachian principality's organizer was the Hungarian king's vassal. The Wallachian principality lost its independence in the European law because of this. The Moldova situation was similar and the principalities never recovered their independence. The Hungarian king acknowledged the successor state Romania as independent on the Berlin congress only.
Coronation of Lipót I (1657 – 1705):
http://mek.niif.hu/00800/00893/html/img/nagy/3245.jpg
One of the flags was flag of Cumania. Cumania was the predecestor entity of Moldova and Wallachia. This was the legal act of the supremacy's manifestation. Franz Joseph was the first king who used the flag symbolically only in the coronation.
The cursing does not help you. :D
Moldova and Wallachia was vassals and Hungary wasnt a vassal state?
SKYNET
01-12-2014, 04:22 PM
?
?
Kiyant
01-12-2014, 04:23 PM
Moldova and Wallachia was vassals and Hungary wasnt a vassal state?
Difference your "countries" were formed by Turkics who came with the Hungarians (basically their brothers)
blogen
01-12-2014, 04:23 PM
Moldova and Wallachia was vassals and Hungary wasnt a vassal state?
The Hungarian king never made a vassal oath for nobody.
Vlach
01-12-2014, 04:24 PM
The Hungarian king never made a vassal oath for nobody.
"The Hungarian Revolution of 1848 was one of the many European Revolutions of 1848 and closely linked to other revolutions of 1848 in the Habsburg areas. The revolution in the Kingdom of Hungary grew into a war for independence from the Austrian Empire, ruled by the Habsburg monarchy."
Try next time ;)
Vlach
01-12-2014, 04:25 PM
Difference your "countries" were formed by Turkics who came with the Hungarians (basically their brothers)
1)??? WHAT?
2) Are you brainless? we are talking about indepedence.
blogen
01-12-2014, 04:36 PM
"The Hungarian Revolution of 1848 was one of the many European Revolutions of 1848 and closely linked to other revolutions of 1848 in the Habsburg areas. The revolution in the Kingdom of Hungary grew into a war for independence from the Austrian Empire, ruled by the Habsburg monarchy."
Try next time ;)
What is this shit? :picard1:
This was the reality from the 1848-49 movements and civil war:
15.03.1848 - liberal revolution in Pest
15.03.1848 - 11.09.1848 - political reform in the kingdom with the king's approval (April Laws)
11.09.1848 - 14.04.1849 - civil war between the conservatives and the liberals
14.04.1849 - the liberals declared the dethronement (the king was acknowledged as a lawful ruler before it)
14.04.1849 - 13.08.1849 - civil war between the loyalists and the rebells
13.08.1849 - the liberal army's capitulation
blogen
01-12-2014, 04:37 PM
1)??? WHAT?
2) Are you brainless? we are talking about indepedence.
Basarab was a Cuman prince and the ancestors of the boyars were mostly Cumans too.
Windischer
01-12-2014, 04:41 PM
Moldova and Wallachia was vassals and Hungary wasnt a vassal state?
no, hungary was under personal union with habsburg dynasty since 16th century. vassal state is generally a land owned by landlord who has made oath of vassalage to his overlord/suzerain. such a "state" is usually called fiefdom and pays tribute to overlord.
modern concept of state was realized in treaty of westphalia (recognition of the dutch republic as an independent state, outside feudal framework of holy roman empire).
Vlach
01-12-2014, 04:51 PM
no, hungary was under personal union with habsburg dynasty since 16th century. vassal state is generally a land owned by landlord who has made oath of vassalage to his overlord/suzerain. such a "state" is usually called fiefdom and pays tribute to overlord.
modern concept of state was realized in treaty of westphalia (recognition of the dutch republic as an independent state, outside feudal framework of holy roman empire).
And Wallachia and Moldova was the same? Vassal? LOL
Principality of Wallachia (Eflâk Prensliği), 1395–1397, 1417–1861 with some interruptions; briefly annexed as an eyalet from 1521–22 and 1595–96
Principality of Moldavia (Boğdan Prensliği), 1456–1457, 1503–1861 with some interruptions; briefly annexed as an eyalet from 1595–96[2])
Windischer
01-12-2014, 05:03 PM
And Wallachia and Moldova was the same? Vassal? LOL
Principality of Wallachia (Eflâk Prensliği), 1395–1397, 1417–1861 with some interruptions; briefly annexed as an eyalet from 1521–22 and 1595–96
Principality of Moldavia (Boğdan Prensliği), 1456–1457, 1503–1861 with some interruptions; briefly annexed as an eyalet from 1595–96[2])
yes, both principalities were vassals of ottoman empire for a quite long time. but why repeating obvious?
Vlach
01-12-2014, 05:08 PM
Basarab was a Cuman prince and the ancestors of the boyars were mostly Cumans too.
The Cuman or Pecheneg origin of the name is, however, only a conjecture and a matter of dispute among historians. Contemporaries constantly identified Basarab as a Vlach.[2] Charles I of Hungary speaks of him as Bazarab infidelis Olacus noster ("Bazarab, our treacherous Vlach").
Really?
Kiyant
01-12-2014, 05:15 PM
The Cuman or Pecheneg origin of the name is, however, only a conjecture and a matter of dispute among historians. Contemporaries constantly identified Basarab as a Vlach.[2] Charles I of Hungary speaks of him as Bazarab infidelis Olacus noster ("Bazarab, our treacherous Vlach").
Really?
His real name was Basarabai but when Romanians left the ai out of his name.
Also Basar meant "to rule" in cuman
blogen
01-12-2014, 05:24 PM
The Cuman or Pecheneg origin of the name is, however, only a conjecture and a matter of dispute among historians. Contemporaries constantly identified Basarab as a Vlach.[2] Charles I of Hungary speaks of him as Bazarab infidelis Olacus noster ("Bazarab, our treacherous Vlach").
Really?
- The Basarab and the Thocomerius (his father) name is Cumanian origin.
- They were Catholics and only the Cumanians were Catholics since the Hungarian conversion. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Diocese_of_Cumania)
- etc.
Sorry.
And Wallachia and Moldova was the same? Vassal? LOL
Yes. Since the first princes made a vassal oath.
Vlach
01-12-2014, 05:26 PM
- The Basarab and the Thocomerius (his father) name is Cumanian origin.
- They were Catholics and only the Cumanians were Catholics since the Hungarian conversion. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Diocese_of_Cumania)
- etc.
Sorry.
Yes. Since the first princes made a vassal oath.
Sorry but he was vlach :(. Anyway in 1-2 years we will see the DNA of Basarabs...
And there's no chronicle what say he was cuman.
And he's name was Ioan(Ivanko) Basarab
blogen
01-12-2014, 05:37 PM
Sorry but he was vlach :(. Anyway in 1-2 years we will see the DNA of Basarabs...
Oh yes. You stopped the examination! :rofl_002:
Vlach
01-12-2014, 05:51 PM
- The Basarab and the Thocomerius (his father) name is Cumanian origin.
- They were Catholics and only the Cumanians were Catholics since the Hungarian conversion. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Diocese_of_Cumania)
- etc.
Sorry.
Yes. Since the first princes made a vassal oath.
Now I see...why Basarab was catholic? Who said?
blogen
01-12-2014, 06:23 PM
Now I see...why Basarab was catholic? Who said?
Pope John XXII in 01.02.1327.: "Princeps devotus Catholicus". "and dilecto filio, nobili viro Bazarab, voivoda Transalpino"
But their son, Alexandru was Catholic too. More punctually he converted to the Orthodoxy later (possibly 1359).
The assimilation of the Cumanian boyars was parallel to the spread of the Orthodox faith between the Wallachian elite.
Vlach
01-12-2014, 06:47 PM
Pope John XXII in 01.02.1327.: "Princeps devotus Catholicus". "and dilecto filio, nobili viro Bazarab, voivoda Transalpino"
But their son, Alexandru was Catholic too. More punctually he converted to the Orthodoxy later (possibly 1359).
The assimilation of the Cumanian boyars was parallel to the spread of the Orthodox faith between the Wallachian elite.
The fact that Pope John XXII (1316-1334) addressed Basarab, in 1327, as a ‘devoted Catholic prince’ and praised his actions against the unfaithful seems to show some collaboration between the Romanian voivode and the Catholic world, but the precise details are missing
Windischer
01-12-2014, 06:58 PM
The fact that Pope John XXII (1316-1334) addressed Basarab, in 1327, as a ‘devoted Catholic prince’ and praised his actions against the unfaithful seems to show some collaboration between the Romanian voivode and the Catholic world, but the precise details are missing
the precise detail princeps catholicis is there and quite obvious
Vlach
01-12-2014, 07:47 PM
the precise detail princeps catholicis is there and quite obvious
This is from wikipedia...
His baptism name was romanian
colony
06-15-2014, 09:26 AM
Transylvania is 95% Hungarian area, all cities, villages (some are Saxoon, Fogaras (Hungarian name) half vlach creature), the people are whiter like the oltenians, castles, buildings, monuments etc etc are Hungarian. Arad is from Árad, Hargita is from Thargitaos Scythian King , Napoca is from Napus the Scythian. Torda was Hun king, Gyulafehérvár means Gyula (Hungarian name from the word ignite-gyullad, gyújtó=zoroastrian bishop who ignite the fire) white castle etc etc. Dicső Béla the Daha Scythian have nothing to Vlachs! Who are a balkanic population and not Scythian. The Vlach name Ardeal is from Hungarian Erdély, Erdő elve forrest land. Ardeal means nothing. Rumanians are symple homeless , bozgor inhabitants of Hungarian Erdély! Vlach moving with Avars, Bulgars. First info of the Vlachs is from Otto kaiser the byzantian , when the Bulgars fought the vlachs helped them. Otto about very primitive ,nomadic, hairy footed shepherds who weared hairy hat.
Erdély will join to Hungary again, Vlachs who were betrayer must go home to Oltenia-Moldova and Uyghurs will come to Erdély as new common people. They are our brothers in Chine, white europid blonde-red haired Scythians and Asian europid tocharians.
Vlach
06-16-2014, 11:23 AM
This retarded kid, stop creating accouts, you retarded kid, you just spaming the forum, no one cares about your trolling posts.
blogen
06-16-2014, 06:58 PM
This retarded kid, stop creating accouts, you retarded kid, you just spaming the forum, no one cares about your trolling posts.
Do not waste your time on an answer, since we Hungarians ignore him.
LightHouse89
06-16-2014, 07:02 PM
Hungarians are related to Vampires.
GERULA
08-06-2014, 03:09 PM
Hungarians are pussies and their wet dream is that "Transilvania" belongs to them...lol
Szekler autonomy, it would be a humane and european solution to the problem. This is not a problem for the Romanians and does not affect them adversely. The current situation as in Ceausescu ethos and mentality, and backward medieval barbarity.
GERULA
08-07-2014, 03:28 PM
Szekler autonomy, it would be a humane and european solution to the problem. This is not a problem for the Romanians and does not affect them adversely. The current situation as in Ceausescu ethos and mentality, and backward medieval barbarity.
I m sorry to tell you that many of your neighbors states ( including Romania) are quite pissed at the ridiculous fabricated demands of Hungary, their small steps policy that continues too harass and disrespect the people and their history, ...and can you elaborate on 'humane" and "european solution" ?? Hungary 's stance is not very "humane " and pro "European" lately...
Stears
08-07-2014, 04:18 PM
I m sorry to tell you that many of your neighbors states ( including Romania) are quite pissed at the ridiculous fabricated demands of Hungary, their small steps policy that continues too harass and disrespect the people and their history, ...and can you elaborate on 'humane" and "european solution" ?? Hungary 's stance is not very "humane " and pro "European" lately... Romanians are immigrant late-nomadic Vlachs and eastern Orthodox semi-asian culture, weird less european balkanite genetic make-up, weird wog features and average dwarf stature, and backward infrastructure. Your contribution in science and technology is close to 0.
Stears
08-07-2014, 04:19 PM
I m sorry to tell you that many of your neighbors states ( including Romania) are quite pissed at the ridiculous fabricated demands of Hungary, their small steps policy that continues too harass and disrespect the people and their history, ...and can you elaborate on 'humane" and "european solution" ?? Hungary 's stance is not very "humane " and pro "European" lately...
VLACHS (Romanians) WERE THE LATEST NOMADIC ETHNIC GROUP IN EUROPE. Vlachs were known as late - nomadic people in medieval chronicles. The first romanian vlach churches were built only around the turn of the 13th and 14th century. No known archiutecture existed before that period. The romanian literacy and chronicles appeared only in the 15th century.USE Google books! (The word's largest digitalized library, the largest collection of printed books) See the google book results (search the british american candian authors about medieval romanians Vlachs):
Carleton Stevens Coon: The races of Europe, Page 614
" Vlach colonists are nomads living in black tents like those of ... A greater variation is found in the cephalic index; on the plains of Moldavia and Wallachia, and in the Dobruja"
Robert William Seton-Watson: A history of the Roumanians: from Roman times to the completion of unity, page: 12
"The Roumanians undoubtedly preserved their nomadic habits to a very late date, as is proved by the existence of Vlach colonies in Moravia (the so-called "Little Wallachia" — long since completely Slavised)"
Mandell Creighton, Justin Winsor, Samuel Rawson Gardiner: The English Historical Review page:- 615.
"He shows that the Vlachs of the Balkan peninsula throughout the middle ages are nomads of the strictest type, ... that Vlachs began to move north of the Danube to Wallachia and Transylvania "
Joan E. Durrant, Anne B. Smith Global Pathways to Abolishing Physical Punishment: Realizing Children’s Rights ( PAGE 210)
"Between the 3rd century A.D. and the 14th century A.D., Dacia was invaded successively by nomadic peoples, including the ... Romanians "
Norman Berdichevsky: Nations, Language and Citizenship -page: 181.
"The “true Romanians” are held to be interlopers who were nomadic shepherds that migrated into Transylvania from the ... then transferred to “Wallachia,” the traditional core area of the Romanian state located east and south of Transylvania."
Other elements in the population of Greece are the Wallachians or Vlachs, the Turks, and the Jews, but they have never ... The Wallachians are a curious nomadic race
David Bruce Macdonald - 2002 Balkan Holocausts?: Serbian and Croatian Victim Centered ... page- 131
"These hinterland Romans evolved into highland herdsmen, who for centuries led a primitive nomadic life"
Lampe, John R, Jackson, Marvin R. Balkan Economic History, 1550 - 1950: From Imperial Borderlands to ... page - 612.
"Vlachs had first acquired their commercial connections in the course of moving their livestock seasonally back and forth between high and low ground. ... Alan J.B. Wace and M.S. Thompson, The Nomads of the Balkans (New York: Books for Libraries Press, 1971)"
Jane Perry Clark Carey, Andrew Galbraith Carey : The Web of Modern Greek Politics - page 73
"shepherds and nomadic herdsmen, wandering through the Balkans and the north of Greece. On their early migrations they gave the Vlach name to various districts, including the province of Wallachia in present-day Romania"
Chambers's Encyclopedia - Volume 14. page:- 339.
"The Vlachs are usually mentioned as following nomadic or semi-nomadic lives as shepherds etc. in wild mountain ... nth century was known as 'Great Wallachia' and seems to have contained a relatively dense and settled Vlach population."
Denys Hay: Europe in the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries page: 220
"In the first half of the fourteenth century there also appeared there the two Romanian principalities of Wallachia and Moldavia. ... or whether the Hungarians are right in their thesis that these Vlachs were recently immigrated nomadic shepherds"
Frank Moore Colby, Talcott Williams, Herbert Treadwell Wade: The New International Encyclopaedia Voluma 20. Page: 219
"Owing to their nomadic and predatory dispositions these Vlachs, as they are called by the Greek writers, were a ... the autonomous Rumanian principalities of Wallachia and Moldavia, which grew rapidly towards south and east until the former"
Isaiah Bowman: The New World: Problems in Political Geography page - 282
"or Wallachians The Rumanians, or Wallachs (hence Wallachia), are of mixed race but of distinct speech, the Ruman, ... Home places of the nomadic Vlachs The Vlachs , Rumanian nomadism is seen in its purest form among the detached"
Norman Angell : Peace Theories And The Balkan War page: - 107.
"It had been founded by a conquering caste of non-Slavonic nomads from the trans-Danubian steppes, but these were completely ... This Bulgarian state included a large 'Vlach' element descended from those Latin-speaking provincials whom the Slavs had pushed ... had established itself in the mountains of Transylvania, and was just beginning to push down into the Wallachian and Moldavian plains"
Tibor Frank, Frank Hadler : Disputed territories and shared pasts: overlapping national histories in modern Europe, page: 251
"Reference to Romanians in their preunification (1859) history was linked to the regional designation of Wallachia (today Oltenia and Muntenia) to the south ... This designation relates to the nomadic existence of the Balkan Vlach population."
Paul Coles : The Ottoman Impact on Europe - page: 114
" nomadic pastoralism provided a new lease of life for the Rumanian-speaking Vlachs, migratory herdsmen whose native principalities of Moldavia and Wallachia had fallen under Ottoman dominion during the fifteenth century"
Wace, Alan J. B. and Maurice S. Thompson. .:
"The Nomads of the Balkans: An Account of Life and Custom Among the Vlachs of Northern Pindus."
Stears
08-07-2014, 04:20 PM
I m sorry to tell you that many of your neighbors states ( including Romania) are quite pissed at the ridiculous fabricated demands of Hungary, their small steps policy that continues too harass and disrespect the people and their history, ...and can you elaborate on 'humane" and "european solution" ?? Hungary 's stance is not very "humane " and pro "European" lately...
In the reality, the late-nomadic Vlachs (romanians) migrated from Bulgaria and South-Eastern Serbia to the present-day territory of Romania in the 13th century. The daco-romanian continuity myth is not generally accepted, that's why all major Western Encyclopedias (E.Encarta, E. Britannica, E.Americana, German Brockhaus, French Larousse etc...) mention the romanian state-supported daco-romanian myth, but they are also mention the reality: the Vlach migration from the Balkans in the 13th century..
Vlachs (medieval romanians) were the latest people who introduced the literacy in Europe, and they were one of the latest shepherd nomadic people in Europe. (There were no orthodox bishopry in medieval Vallachia Moldavia, most monks came from Serbia). Due to the lack of literacy and own history writting (chronicles) until the 15th century, the poor romanians had to built up a "speculative history-writting" (or fabricated history), where speculations based on earlier speculations and fictions etc..
There are no material proofs (cemetries cultic places) which can support the romanian (vlach) existence in present-day territory of romania before the 1200s. There are no CONTEMPORARY written documents about the existence Vlachs in the territory of later Vallachia Moldavia Transylvania before the 1200s.
WERE WERE YOU HIDING for 800 years dear "daco"-romans?
The neo-latin elements in Romanian language remain the best proof agaist daco-roman theory. Unlike other neo-latin languages, there are no proofs for development of dacian language into a neo-latin language, because there are not remained dacian vocabulary for the posterior. The dacian conquest was the shortest lasting conquest of the Roman Empire in Europe, it lasted only 160years, the relations between the roman legions and dacians remianed hostile. (Note: The contemporary multi-ethnic legionaries were Roman citizens, but they were recruited from various primarily multinational, non-Latin provinces, so THEY WERE NOT ROMANS ) This very short & hostile circumstance are not an ideal contingency for romanization process. There are no CONTEMPORARY historic records for the survive of dacians after the Roman withdrawal, and later the territory was the FOCAL POINT of great migrations (serials of many strong powerfull and brutal barbaric tribes and people such as Huns, Goths, Gepids Longobards, Avars, Pechenegs and Cumans.). There are tons of contemporary written documents (chronicles from early medieval to high medieval age etc.) about the sheprherd nomad Vlachs in Balkan peninsula, but there are no material or written proofs for their existence in the present-day territory of Romania before the 1200s. However the roman rule lasted for 500+ years in many territories of Balkan peninsula (where vlachs were often mentioned by many early medieval chronicles) There is also no trace of lingual influence from any of the other peoples who lived in Transylvania after the withdrawal of the Romans, the Huns, Goths, Gepids Longobards, Avars, Pechenegs and Cumans. If these languages did not have any influence on the Rumanian language, we can be sure that this is proof that at that time there were no Wallachian settlers in Transylvania.
The territory of later Wallachia region belonged to the Bulgarians first, later it came under Byzantine rule. Both Moldavia and Wallachia became occupied and ruled by the Cumans. Later your principalities became vassal state of the Hungarian kings and Polish kings, than romanians became an Ottoman province until 1878.
Xanthias
08-07-2014, 04:27 PM
Sezekils should be massmurdered as their inferior steppic hunnic khazars ancestors.
Xanthias
08-07-2014, 04:32 PM
Funny how Stears repeats the same thing ever and ever, almost to convience himself about somethnig.
Stears
08-07-2014, 04:33 PM
Sezekils should be massmurdered as their inferior steppic hunnic khazars ancestors. Hungarians and their language are not related to turks. Just open a famous western (english french or german) encyclopedia, or read the books of academic scientists or scholars. Vast majority of Romania Hungary Slovakia Bulgaria, Southern Ukraine located on the Eurasian Steppe belt. So what are you talking about? You are descendants of late nomadic people, who lived in tents until the turn of 14-15th century..
GERULA
08-08-2014, 01:45 PM
Hungarians and their language are not related to turks. Just open a famous western (english french or german) encyclopedia, or read the books of academic scientists or scholars. Vast majority of Romania Hungary Slovakia Bulgaria, Southern Ukraine located on the Eurasian Steppe belt. So what are you talking about? You are descendants of late nomadic people, who lived in tents until the turn of 14-15th century..
LOL....you pissed of aren't you ??? I for one know where I belong ....and so do all Romanians ...direct descendants from the Thracians ...we lived in here for aeons...and the historical record to show ...all you have is a stupid rhetoric coming from your demented leaders from the past which degenerated today into a failure to see the reality and embrace it...we are a global village ...we should unite under our European home where there is room for all of us ...but nooooo...creatures like you want blood...and to re write the history...
Stears
08-09-2014, 06:39 AM
LOL....you pissed of aren't you ??? I for one know where I belong ....and so do all Romanians ...direct descendants from the Thracians ...we lived in here for aeons...and the historical record to show ...all you have is a stupid rhetoric coming from your demented leaders from the past which degenerated today into a failure to see the reality and embrace it...we are a global village ...we should unite under our European home where there is room for all of us ...but nooooo...creatures like you want blood...and to re write the history... Wrong. You came from the balkan peninsula as late nomadic people in the 13th century. As all contemporary chronicles stated, you were in the balkan peninsula. Your existence have no material archeological proofs before that time. Global village? In western Europe, large ancient aboriginal minorities have autonomy rights, only romanians try to avoid this, because your state is based on the 18th century crude french jacobin nation-state ideology.
Vlach
08-09-2014, 08:33 AM
Wrong. You came from the balkan peninsula as late nomadic people in the 13th century. As all contemporary chronicles stated, you were in the balkan peninsula. Your existence have no material archeological proofs before that time. Global village? In western Europe, large ancient aboriginal minorities have autonomy rights, only romanians try to avoid this, because your state is based on the 18th century crude french jacobin nation-state ideology.
Hahaha, theres are no chronicles with vlach migration. I posted for many times the reasons why we are dacians. Anyway, if we are from Balkans or from Dacia we are from Europe, our nation formed in Europe. Magyar nation formed in Asia.
Stears
08-09-2014, 03:53 PM
Hahaha, theres are no chronicles with vlach migration. I posted for many times the reasons why we are dacians. Anyway, if we are from Balkans or from Dacia we are from Europe, our nation formed in Europe. Magyar nation formed in Asia. There are many about your existence on balkan peninsula. There are no contemporary chronicles which mention the existence of vlachs (romanians) in present -day romania before the 13th century. There are no material archeological evidence before the 13th century. Similarly , there are no mention of the existence of dacians after the roman withdrawal... Their hostility with romans remained. Dacian language/vocabulary is not known. There are no proofs for the development of dacian into neo latino language. However you have high ratio of albanian words and balkanite southern slavic words in your old language (before your language reformation . The roforms significantly increased the neo-latino elements in romani-an language, like the adoption of modern french and italian phrases and words.)
Voorpost
08-09-2014, 04:26 PM
There are many about your existence on balkan peninsula. There are no contemporary chronicles which mention the existence of vlachs (romanians) in present -day romania before the 13th century. There are no material archeological evidence before the 13th century. Similarly , there are no mention of the existence of dacians after the roman withdrawal... Their hostility with romans remained. Dacian language/vocabulary is not known. There are no proofs for the development of dacian into neo latino language. However you have high ratio of albanian words and balkanite southern slavic words in your old language (before your language reformation . The roforms significantly increased the neo-latino elements in romani-an language, like the adoption of modern french and italian phrases and words.)
Not any ethnic dacian were vlachized romanians, but we know for sure that those groups inhabited the region for eons before any IE expansion, and there is plenty of material trepassing the Roman epoque, suggesting that some remained befor and after their absorbtion in the Roman empire and other cultures around that envolved lately also all other invasions that occured. And how can they presumely not have been any remains of them since their hostility still remained, as you are saying ? This has no sens, and as you say afterwards, there are high cognition of albanian conotypes in romanian words, suggesting that both were related very long time ago, how can that not be a possible link to ancient Dacian language ?
Btw, I am still stupefied how Hungarians are accusing many nation/ethnic groups of "late nomadism" while we know for eons that you descend from tribal central asian conquerors that brought with them proto-magyars and other late asiaitc nomads (such as cumans) with them and got involved into magyarification of your nation (not mentionnig all other people around it) It sounds amlost is if it is the opposite world coming from your part saying others are nomads while you descend from them. Even slavs didn't moved as far as they are to be called nomads (which they aren't)
Stears
08-09-2014, 05:27 PM
Not any ethnic dacian were vlachized romanians, but we know for sure that those groups inhabited the region for eons before any IE expansion, and there is plenty of material trepassing the Roman epoque, suggesting that some remained befor and after their absorbtion in the Roman empire and other cultures around that envolved lately also all other invasions that occured. And how can they presumely not have been any remains of them since their hostility still remained, as you are saying ? This has no sens, and as you say afterwards, there are high cognition of albanian conotypes in romanian words, suggesting that both were related very long time ago, how can that not be a possible link to ancient Dacian language ? Btw, I am still stupefied how Hungarians are accusing many nation/ethnic groups of "late nomadism" while we know for eons that you descend from tribal central asian conquerors that brought with them proto-magyars and other late asiaitc nomads (such as cumans) with them and got involved into magyarification of your nation (not mentionnig all other people around it) It sounds amlost is if it is the opposite world coming from your part saying others are nomads while you descend from them. Even slavs didn't moved as far as they are to be called nomads (which they aren't) Hungarians have never lived in central Asia. High medieval romanians were nomadic people. (late nomadism) Cumans are not related to Hungarians because they are turkic speaking population, while Hungarians are finno-ugric. What is magyarification? It is not proven that the conquerors could speak the ancestors of Hungarian language, it is just a hipotesis. Both balkanites and slavs and n-germans are genetically less european than Hungarians.
Stears
08-09-2014, 05:28 PM
Not any ethnic dacian were vlachized romanians, but we know for sure that those groups inhabited the region for eons before any IE expansion, and there is plenty of material trepassing the Roman epoque, suggesting that some remained befor and after their absorbtion in the Roman empire and other cultures around that envolved lately also all other invasions that occured. And how can they presumely not have been any remains of them since their hostility still remained, as you are saying ? This has no sens, and as you say afterwards, there are high cognition of albanian conotypes in romanian words, suggesting that both were related very long time ago, how can that not be a possible link to ancient Dacian language ?
Btw, I am still stupefied how Hungarians are accusing many nation/ethnic groups of "late nomadism" while we know for eons that you descend from tribal central asian conquerors that brought with them proto-magyars and other late asiaitc nomads (such as cumans) with them and got involved into magyarification of your nation (not mentionnig all other people around it) It sounds amlost is if it is the opposite world coming from your part saying others are nomads while you descend from them. Even slavs didn't moved as far as they are to be called nomads (which they aren't)
VLACHS (Romanians) WERE THE LATEST NOMADIC ETHNIC GROUP IN EUROPE. Vlachs were known as late - nomadic people in medieval chronicles. The first romanian vlach churches were built only around the turn of the 13th and 14th century. No known archiutecture existed before that period. The romanian literacy and chronicles appeared only in the 15th century.USE Google books! (The word's largest digitalized library, the largest collection of printed books) See the google book results (search the british american candian authors about medieval romanians Vlachs):
Carleton Stevens Coon: The races of Europe, Page 614
" Vlach colonists are nomads living in black tents like those of ... A greater variation is found in the cephalic index; on the plains of Moldavia and Wallachia, and in the Dobruja"
Robert William Seton-Watson: A history of the Roumanians: from Roman times to the completion of unity, page: 12
"The Roumanians undoubtedly preserved their nomadic habits to a very late date, as is proved by the existence of Vlach colonies in Moravia (the so-called "Little Wallachia" — long since completely Slavised)"
Mandell Creighton, Justin Winsor, Samuel Rawson Gardiner: The English Historical Review page:- 615.
"He shows that the Vlachs of the Balkan peninsula throughout the middle ages are nomads of the strictest type, ... that Vlachs began to move north of the Danube to Wallachia and Transylvania "
Joan E. Durrant, Anne B. Smith Global Pathways to Abolishing Physical Punishment: Realizing Children’s Rights ( PAGE 210)
"Between the 3rd century A.D. and the 14th century A.D., Dacia was invaded successively by nomadic peoples, including the ... Romanians "
Norman Berdichevsky: Nations, Language and Citizenship -page: 181.
"The “true Romanians” are held to be interlopers who were nomadic shepherds that migrated into Transylvania from the ... then transferred to “Wallachia,” the traditional core area of the Romanian state located east and south of Transylvania."
Other elements in the population of Greece are the Wallachians or Vlachs, the Turks, and the Jews, but they have never ... The Wallachians are a curious nomadic race
David Bruce Macdonald - 2002 Balkan Holocausts?: Serbian and Croatian Victim Centered ... page- 131
"These hinterland Romans evolved into highland herdsmen, who for centuries led a primitive nomadic life"
Lampe, John R, Jackson, Marvin R. Balkan Economic History, 1550 - 1950: From Imperial Borderlands to ... page - 612.
"Vlachs had first acquired their commercial connections in the course of moving their livestock seasonally back and forth between high and low ground. ... Alan J.B. Wace and M.S. Thompson, The Nomads of the Balkans (New York: Books for Libraries Press, 1971)"
Jane Perry Clark Carey, Andrew Galbraith Carey : The Web of Modern Greek Politics - page 73
"shepherds and nomadic herdsmen, wandering through the Balkans and the north of Greece. On their early migrations they gave the Vlach name to various districts, including the province of Wallachia in present-day Romania"
Chambers's Encyclopedia - Volume 14. page:- 339.
"The Vlachs are usually mentioned as following nomadic or semi-nomadic lives as shepherds etc. in wild mountain ... nth century was known as 'Great Wallachia' and seems to have contained a relatively dense and settled Vlach population."
Denys Hay: Europe in the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries page: 220
"In the first half of the fourteenth century there also appeared there the two Romanian principalities of Wallachia and Moldavia. ... or whether the Hungarians are right in their thesis that these Vlachs were recently immigrated nomadic shepherds"
Frank Moore Colby, Talcott Williams, Herbert Treadwell Wade: The New International Encyclopaedia Voluma 20. Page: 219
"Owing to their nomadic and predatory dispositions these Vlachs, as they are called by the Greek writers, were a ... the autonomous Rumanian principalities of Wallachia and Moldavia, which grew rapidly towards south and east until the former"
Isaiah Bowman: The New World: Problems in Political Geography page - 282
"or Wallachians The Rumanians, or Wallachs (hence Wallachia), are of mixed race but of distinct speech, the Ruman, ... Home places of the nomadic Vlachs The Vlachs , Rumanian nomadism is seen in its purest form among the detached"
Norman Angell : Peace Theories And The Balkan War page: - 107.
"It had been founded by a conquering caste of non-Slavonic nomads from the trans-Danubian steppes, but these were completely ... This Bulgarian state included a large 'Vlach' element descended from those Latin-speaking provincials whom the Slavs had pushed ... had established itself in the mountains of Transylvania, and was just beginning to push down into the Wallachian and Moldavian plains"
Tibor Frank, Frank Hadler : Disputed territories and shared pasts: overlapping national histories in modern Europe, page: 251
"Reference to Romanians in their preunification (1859) history was linked to the regional designation of Wallachia (today Oltenia and Muntenia) to the south ... This designation relates to the nomadic existence of the Balkan Vlach population."
Paul Coles : The Ottoman Impact on Europe - page: 114
" nomadic pastoralism provided a new lease of life for the Rumanian-speaking Vlachs, migratory herdsmen whose native principalities of Moldavia and Wallachia had fallen under Ottoman dominion during the fifteenth century"
Wace, Alan J. B. and Maurice S. Thompson. .:
"The Nomads of the Balkans: An Account of Life and Custom Among the Vlachs of Northern Pindus."
Stears
08-09-2014, 05:30 PM
Not any ethnic dacian were vlachized romanians, but we know for sure that those groups inhabited the region for eons before any IE expansion, and there is plenty of material trepassing the Roman epoque, suggesting that some remained befor and after their absorbtion in the Roman empire and other cultures around that envolved lately also all other invasions that occured. And how can they presumely not have been any remains of them since their hostility still remained, as you are saying ? This has no sens, and as you say afterwards, there are high cognition of albanian conotypes in romanian words, suggesting that both were related very long time ago, how can that not be a possible link to ancient Dacian language ? Btw, I am still stupefied how Hungarians are accusing many nation/ethnic groups of "late nomadism" while we know for eons that you descend from tribal central asian conquerors that brought with them proto-magyars and other late asiaitc nomads (such as cumans) with them and got involved into magyarification of your nation (not mentionnig all other people around it) It sounds amlost is if it is the opposite world coming from your part saying others are nomads while you descend from them. Even slavs didn't moved as far as they are to be called nomads (which they aren't) Are you a new romanian sockpuppet, or a romanian dustman in Italy?
Fakirbakir
08-09-2014, 06:02 PM
Here is a map depicting the boundaries of the autonomous Szeklerland, proposed by the Szekler National Council.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Szeklerland-planned_seats.png
The new coat of arms and flag of Partium will be announced by the Hungarian National Council of Transylvania in September.
http://www.imagesup.net/?di=314076069530
Voorpost
08-09-2014, 06:26 PM
Hungarians have never lived in central Asia. High medieval romanians were nomadic people. (late nomadism) Cumans are not related to Hungarians because they are turkic speaking population, while Hungarians are finno-ugric. What is magyarification? It is not proven that the conquerors could speak the ancestors of Hungarian language, it is just a hipotesis. Both balkanites and slavs and n-germans are genetically less european than Hungarians.
Of course they did, and your finno-uralic ancestors were probably a mix of both east and western population located in the ourals at that time. By mentionning central asia, I was reffering to your local heros, such as Attila who was surely a hun, and probably brought with him other central asian population throughout his migration into europe and contribute to the formation of early hungaria. And your language has a lot of slavic substrate and other turkic words in it, but still doesn't reflect them, probably you're right that hungarian languages was surely unknown, and balkan people are basically neolithic paleolithic european people with unspecified and uncertain affiliation ,the oldest genetic european marker being I2c alongside with Ev13 thracian. Probably hungarians have a lot more euroasian genetic markers than any european nation, not sure in what % though.
and again this is the same meaningless thing you're posting, while historias argue that during the time of antiauity and late helladic greek civilisation there was a continous flow of population between the ethnic inhabitants of carpathian basin and those around it (includeing northwest romania, southeast etc ...), so basically vlach or not, those people were heavely linked together, and genetics to also to point towards this direction.
Btw, you should more worry about what's going in your contry than some "transylvanian" hungarians who were brought there as guardmen rather than as people ...
Stears
08-09-2014, 06:34 PM
Of course they did, and your finno-uralic ancestors were probably a mix of both east and western population located in the ourals at that time. By mentionning central asia, I was reffering to your local heros, such as Attila who was surely a hun, and probably brought with him other central asian population throughout his migration into europe and contribute to the formation of early hungaria. And your language has a lot of slavic substrate and other turkic words in it, but still doesn't reflect them, probably you're right that hungarian languages was surely unknown, and balkan people are basically neolithic paleolithic european people with unspecified and uncertain affiliation ,the oldest genetic european marker being I2c alongside with Ev13 thracian. Probably hungarians have a lot more euroasian genetic markers than any european nation, not sure in what % though. Can you prove with academic sources books that Attila and Huns are related to Magyar people (Hungarians)? No. There are no central asian markers in Hungary (like haplogroup Q)
Hungarians are genetically more european than most slavic speaking people (who contain more Asian mongoloid Y and mt.DNA haplogroup markers), but all Northern Germanic nations (incl. Northern Germany too) have higher ratio of Mongolid haplogroup markers . See the ratio of Central Asian haplogroup „Q” and the other mongoloid haplogroup marker „N” (aka. N1C1) markers in the genetic CHART of European nations:
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml
And see the high ratio of middle-eastern haplogroup markers (various „J” and african E1b1) in all balkan populations (inc. Romania). De facto, these nations populations genetically are less European than Hungarians.
Do not forget that vast majority of balkan population is not only genetically but anthropogically less white (average darker eye and hair color, skin tone) so-called „WOG” people. Just type in google image searcher: „eye color map” , „hair color map”.
Skin tone map:
http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/Map_of_skin_hue_equi.png
Hair color map
http://uclahealthservices.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/hair_color_map_europe.png
Eye color map:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ilng4Lm9CI0/UKoaYrEoD_I/AAAAAAAAATw/8NebRqUEAOk/s1600/eyecolour.png
Stears
08-09-2014, 06:36 PM
Romanians like balkanites looks weird, the average pigmentation (eye hair color) is very dark. The average body stature of romanians are low. You have weird look faces due to your less european genetic make-up. And I did not mention your easter (semi-asian) primitive orthodox culture. Do not forget your zero contribution in science and technology and arts. The average infrastructure of your country is not really european level...
Vlach
08-10-2014, 11:10 AM
Here is a map depicting the boundaries of the autonomous Szeklerland, proposed by the Szekler National Council.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Szeklerland-planned_seats.png
The new coat of arms and flag of Partium will be announced by the Hungarian National Council of Transylvania in September.
http://www.imagesup.net/?di=314076069530
I understand the Szekely land, theres are a lot of hungarians bla bla, but the Partium? Your country will really have problems with Romania and you will dont like it.
Stears
08-10-2014, 11:19 AM
I understand the Szekely land, theres are a lot of hungarians bla bla, but the Partium? Your country will really have problems with Romania and you will dont like it. Yes, romania must give up with its late 18th century french Jacobin-era nation-state ideology.
Zmey Gorynych
08-10-2014, 11:29 AM
Autonomy huh !? As romanians say: da pula cui !? and the answer is undoubtebly: Ria, Ria, Hungária! :laugh:
Fakirbakir
08-10-2014, 01:49 PM
I understand the Szekely land, theres are a lot of hungarians bla bla, but the Partium? Your country will really have problems with Romania and you will dont like it.
It has nothing to do with Hungary. The idea of autonomous region for ethnic Hungarians in western Romania (Partium) is proposed by a Romanian non-governmental organization (Hungarian National Council of Transylvania / Consiliul Național al Maghiarilor din Transilvania / CNMT). The "Council for Autonomy in Partium" is a subunit organization of CNMT.
Vlach
08-10-2014, 02:31 PM
It has nothing to do with Hungary. The idea of autonomous region for ethnic Hungarians in western Romania (Partium) is proposed by a Romanian non-governmental organization (Hungarian National Council of Transylvania / Consiliul Național al Maghiarilor din Transilvania / CNMT). The "Council for Autonomy in Partium" is a subunit organization of CNMT.
They are brainless, Romania will have economic regions, separated from Bucharest. And is funny,in Satu Mare, Bihor and Salaj the romanians are the majority.
Xanthias
08-11-2014, 06:29 PM
Hungarians and their language are not related to turks. Just open a famous western (english french or german) encyclopedia, or read the books of academic scientists or scholars. Vast majority of Romania Hungary Slovakia Bulgaria, Southern Ukraine located on the Eurasian Steppe belt. So what are you talking about? You are descendants of late nomadic people, who lived in tents until the turn of 14-15th century..
Tents in Romania ? are you kidding ? you want me to show early chronicles of your inferior steppic sandniggers that were ratting in east asia before the rathole known as Hungaria came to existence ? You really are a deep shit stained inferior untermensch that has nothing to do in europe, hell it would take a pleasure to deport the entire subhuman nation/race that is Hungaria and bring it back to central asia where they can root/dwell in silence with their already uncivil and inferior tent-like behaviour.
Stears
08-11-2014, 06:43 PM
Tents in Romania ? are you kidding ? you want me to show early chronicles of your inferior steppic sandniggers that were ratting in east asia before the rathole known as Hungaria came to existence ? You really are a deep shit stained inferior untermensch that has nothing to do in europe, hell it would take a pleasure to deport the entire subhuman nation/race that is Hungaria and bring it back to central asia where they can root/dwell in silence with their already uncivil and inferior tent-like behaviour. Byzantine chronicles stated: Carleton Stevens Coon: The races of Europe, Page 614 " Vlach colonists are nomads living in black tents. Of course all medieval sources (Polish Byzantine Hungarian Kievian Nistor) are anti romanian and nationalist HAhahahah (even before the 18th century appear of nationalism)
Xanthias
08-11-2014, 07:25 PM
Byzantine chronicles stated: Carleton Stevens Coon: The races of Europe, Page 614 " Vlach colonists are nomads living in black tents
shome me a living example of a "Black tent" ( :lol: )
whereas I have some nasty historians arguing about the sub-human tent-dwelling race called Hungayrians during antiquity.
History of Hungary By Denis Sinor
As nomadic peoples generally do, the Hungarians disliked towns, and even houses, to which they preferred tents. According to Otto von Freisingen, as late as the middle of the twelfth century, summer and autumn were still spent under tents".
Though, geographically speaking, of European origin, the Hungarians
who settled in the Danube valley were spiritually and materially,
Asiatics, and belonged to the great Central Euroasiatic cultural family whose
members lived dispersed form the Danube to China, from Persia and
India to the Arctic. The Hungarian bows and arrows...were of exactly the same
type as those used in Central Asia.
The experience the Magyars left with the Western world was so
traumatic that even generations later people form the West saw the Hungarians
as apocalyptic monsters. Bishop Otto of Freysing spoke of the exterior of
the Hungarians as ‘ferocious' at the time of the Crusades Their eyes
are sunken,their stature is short,their behavior wild,their language
barbarous,so that one can either accuse fate or marvel at divine
patience for having permitted these monsters the possession of an enchanting
land
and there's never been any archeologically found tents in Romania, they rather lived more in villages.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RGDgT6ehpk&feature=share
so you should stop trolling, or i'll post an entire thread about how sandniggers you are, gypsy magyarok.
Xanthias
08-11-2014, 07:34 PM
Byzantine chronicles stated: Carleton Stevens Coon: The races of Europe, Page 614 " Vlach colonists are nomads living in black tents. Of course all medieval sources (Polish Byzantine Hungarian Kievian Nistor) are anti romanian and nationalist HAhahahah (even before the 18th century appear of nationalism)
Ahmad ibn Rustah (Xth Cent AD). Persian explorer and geographer
“The Magyars are a race of Turks and their leader rides out with 20,000 horsemen and this king is called k.nd.h and this name denotes their king, for the name of the man who is actually king over them is ĝ.l.h and all the Magyars accept the orders of their ĝ.l.h in the matter of war and defense and the like.”
From George Kedrenos (12th century).
(Describing the events which took place in 895).
"The Emperor had sent the Patrician Skllerous to the Turks WHO were
CALLED Hungarians (Oungroi) to convince them to cross the Danube and attack the
Bulgarians..."
hungarovskys being milked and ruled by Turks.
In fact, this is a living proof that you are a race of cumans, gypo-tartars :lol: and pathetic sandniggers.
Stears
08-11-2014, 07:37 PM
shome me a living example of a "Black tent" ( :lol: ) whereas I have some nasty historians arguing about the sub-human tent-dwelling race called Hungayrians during antiquity. History of Hungary By Denis Sinor As nomadic peoples generally do, the Hungarians disliked towns, and even houses, to which they preferred tents. According to Otto von Freisingen, as late as the middle of the twelfth century, summer and autumn were still spent under tents". Though, geographically speaking, of European origin, the Hungarians who settled in the Danube valley were spiritually and materially, Asiatics, and belonged to the great Central Euroasiatic cultural family whose members lived dispersed form the Danube to China, from Persia and India to the Arctic. The Hungarian bows and arrows...were of exactly the same type as those used in Central Asia. The experience the Magyars left with the Western world was so traumatic that even generations later people form the West saw the Hungarians as apocalyptic monsters. Bishop Otto of Freysing spoke of the exterior of the Hungarians as ‘ferocious' at the time of the Crusades Their eyes are sunken,their stature is short,their behavior wild,their language barbarous,so that one can either accuse fate or marvel at divine patience for having permitted these monsters the possession of an enchanting land and there's never been any archeologically found tents in Romania, they rather lived more in villages.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RGDgT6ehpk&feature=share so you should stop trolling, or i'll post an entire thread about how sandniggers you are, gypsy magyarok. Romanians were nomadic people until the early modern era. The las nomadic nation. They had no literacy an own chronicle, they had not clergy (you must import serbian clergy until the 17t century) You are unable to build even normal churches, you built only hovel-like churches and wooden churches. The infrastructure of your country was always on non-european level. Your social and cultural development is also semi-asian like armenia. Your look (darky pigmentation wide down-sydrome head, your low stature), due to your less european genes makes you gypsy. It is not a coincidence, that western European confuse you with gypsies. In Hungarian language oláhok word means gypsy people and ethnic romanians too.
Xanthias
08-11-2014, 07:38 PM
Stears the pathetic sub-human getting lynched as usual, an inferior race of turan sub-humans remains an inferior race of turan sub-humans.
Now even Armenia is semi-asian, while you are an armenoid sluted nation.
Xanthias
08-11-2014, 07:48 PM
Romanians were nomadic people until the early modern era. The las nomadic nation. They had no literacy an own chronicle, they had not clergy (you must import serbian clergy until the 17t century) You are unable to build even normal churches, you built only hovel-like churches and wooden churches. The infrastructure of your country was always on non-european level. Your social and cultural development is also semi-asian like armenia. Your look (darky pigmentation wide down-sydrome head, your low stature), due to your less european genes makes you gypsy. It is not a coincidence, that western European confuse you with gypsies. In Hungarian language oláhok word means gypsy people and ethnic romanians too.
same shit twice, wait let me show a little be more.
From " De Administrado Imperio"by Constantine Porphyrogenitus
(Byzantine Emperor,950AD)
"These eight clans of the TURKS(Hungarians) do not obey their own
particular princes...,They have for their first chief the prince who comes by succession of Arpad's family..."
From "The Mongols" By Jeremiah Curtin
"Five groups of Mongols have made themselves famous in Europe:The
Huns with their mighty chief Attila,the Magyars,The Turks or Osmanli,the
Mongol invaders of Russia..."
From "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" By Edward Gibbon.
"The(Hungarians) are distinguished by the Greeks under the proper and
peculiar name of Turks, as descendants of that people who had conquered and reigned form China to the Volga (referring to the Mongols)".
Hungarians: turko-gypsis from the steps
http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/nomadic-tent-bosztorpuszta-hungary-20713471.jpg
Embrace your filthy turan tziganism from where you belong, asian nigger.
Stears
08-11-2014, 07:54 PM
Too feel the difference: Medieval romanian vlach churches and cathedrals:
http://www.eliznik.org.uk/RomaniaViews/churches/moldovita.jpg https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQo9_0ylmSbcFRYLrLmZFuxBC7Wum6bs DQepfONpRCicSY1lSr2 [IMG]https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSEKMgHjNqgPidajdw8UHXHAF6S2Raa_ tXSiuI_nZShQND6pBrz2Q [IMG]https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQNpWfFWH3bubxhsEgWWS-Zytbynp0ftH8qsDbb8iK7z-vSTiDU [IMG]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-e0b9Kk7Kxw0/TaAM4Emqo7I/AAAAAAAAEoc/8c8vGy9AZn0/s1600/2011_0330_115462.jpg http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/28186417.jpg
Stears
08-11-2014, 07:56 PM
Compare it with the Hungarians (which are real western cathedrals and palaces. FEEL THE DIFFERENCE!
Medieval Hungarian Culture (palaces churches, paintings, sculpture, music and fine-arts) WATCH IT IN FULL HD!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6aZDB4JlBU
Xanthias
08-11-2014, 08:10 PM
MOAR from the turano-mongoloid people called the MAGAYRS.
From "Britanica" Hungarian.
"The proto-Hungarians were apparently an ethnic blend of
Ugric(Mongoloid) and Turkish peoples living in western Siberia...The Hungarians were
the scourge of Europe,raiding as far afield as Bremen,Orleans and
Constantinople(the English word OGRE-a men eating man,hideous cruel
man,is a corruption of HUNGAR,attests to their notoriety).
From "1000 years of Hungary" By Emil Lengyel.
"(Hungarian) Folklore speaks about NIMROD the giant,who had two
sons,HUNOR and HAGAR.The former was the ancestor of the HUNS,and MAGOR was the ancestor of the MAGYARS."
Stears closest relatives.
http://users.comcen.com.au/~didierm/Update/Imagesjournal/Mongolia%202/family.jpg
Stears
08-12-2014, 04:24 AM
MOAR from the turano-mongoloid people called the MAGAYRS. From "Britanica" Hungarian. "The proto-Hungarians were apparently an ethnic blend of Ugric(Mongoloid) and Turkish peoples living in western Siberia...The Hungarians were the scourge of Europe,raiding as far afield as Bremen,Orleans and Constantinople(the English word OGRE-a men eating man,hideous cruel man,is a corruption of HUNGAR,attests to their notoriety). From "1000 years of Hungary" By Emil Lengyel. "(Hungarian) Folklore speaks about NIMROD the giant,who had two sons,HUNOR and HAGAR.The former was the ancestor of the HUNS,and MAGOR was the ancestor of the MAGYARS." Stears closest relatives. http://users.comcen.com.au/~didierm/Update/Imagesjournal/Mongolia%202/family.jpg I can also edit the Britannica online version. Roughly 60% of Encyclopćdia Britannica's revenue comes from online operations, of which around 15% comes from subscriptions to the consumer version of the website.[4] Subscriptions are available on a yearly, monthly or weekly basis.[5] Special subscription plans are offered to schools, colleges and libraries; such institutional subscribers constitute an important part of Britannica's business. Beginning in early 2007, the Britannica makes articles freely available if they are hyperlinked from an external site. Non-subscribers are served pop-ups and advertising.[6] On 3 June 2008, an initiative to facilitate collaboration between online expert and amateur scholarly contributors for Britannica's online content (in the spirit of a wiki), with editorial oversight from Britannica staff, was announced.[7][8] Approved contributions would be credited,[9] though contributing automatically grants Encyclopćdia Britannica, Inc. perpetual, irrevocable license to those contributions.[10]
GERULA
08-13-2014, 01:58 PM
There are many about your existence on balkan peninsula. There are no contemporary chronicles which mention the existence of vlachs (romanians) in present -day romania before the 13th century. There are no material archeological evidence before the 13th century. Similarly , there are no mention of the existence of dacians after the roman withdrawal... Their hostility with romans remained. Dacian language/vocabulary is not known. There are no proofs for the development of dacian into neo latino language. However you have high ratio of albanian words and balkanite southern slavic words in your old language (before your language reformation . The roforms significantly increased the neo-latino elements in romani-an language, like the adoption of modern french and italian phrases and words.)
You R trying very hard ...but to no avail to fabricate the exact opposite of the reality....Just for your knowledge ..during the Dacian Roman wars there were no translators needed...I ll leave it up to your single neuron to guess why...lol..and yes we have many common words with all the proto languages ...because our ancestors spoke it ...
Stears
08-13-2014, 04:20 PM
You R trying very hard ...but to no avail to fabricate the exact opposite of the reality....Just for your knowledge ..during the Dacian Roman wars there were no translators needed...I ll leave it up to your single neuron to guess why...lol..and yes we have many common words with all the proto languages ...because our ancestors spoke it ... Your vlachs ancestors spoke southern-slavic albanian-latin mixature language. Just think about your old dictionary.
Vlach
08-14-2014, 10:31 AM
Compare it with the Hungarians (which are real western cathedrals and palaces. FEEL THE DIFFERENCE!
Medieval Hungarian Culture (palaces churches, paintings, sculpture, music and fine-arts) WATCH IT IN FULL HD!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6aZDB4JlBU
Bran castle? Are you fucking retarded? Bran castle is saxon fortress and transformed in castle by romanians. :picard2:
Stears
08-14-2014, 05:22 PM
Bran castle? Are you fucking retarded? Bran castle is saxon fortress and transformed in castle by romanians. :picard2: Ignorant. Saxons were not allowed to build castles, they had right to built city walls and city defensive towers. The Teutonic Order began construction of a wooden fort known as Dietrichstein in the early 13th century. After the fort's destruction in 1242 by Mongols. Louis The Great of Hungary ordered the a stone castle in 1377. Romanians have never built castles in Transylvania. Shepherds are not masons. Masons were member of a guild. You do not know what is the guild word means (It's no wonder because orthodox countries had no guilds) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guild
Vlach
08-14-2014, 05:52 PM
Ignorant. Saxons were not allowed to build castles, they had right to built city walls and city defensive towers. The Teutonic Order began construction of a wooden fort known as Dietrichstein in the early 13th century. After the fort's destruction in 1242 by Mongols. Louis The Great of Hungary ordered the a stone castle in 1377. Romanians have never built castles in Transylvania. Shepherds are not masons. Masons were member of a guild. You do not know what is the guild word means (It's no wonder because orthodox countries had no guilds) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guild
What a cunt, the Bran castle was a fortress built by saxons. Queen Maria of Romania renovated it and transformed into a castle.
Vlach
08-14-2014, 05:53 PM
Ignorant. Saxons were not allowed to build castles, they had right to built city walls and city defensive towers. The Teutonic Order began construction of a wooden fort known as Dietrichstein in the early 13th century. After the fort's destruction in 1242 by Mongols. Louis The Great of Hungary ordered the a stone castle in 1377. Romanians have never built castles in Transylvania. Shepherds are not masons. Masons were member of a guild. You do not know what is the guild word means (It's no wonder because orthodox countries had no guilds) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guild
First Kendeffy was a vlach. Candea :thumb001: One of the best noble family from Transylvania.
Stears
08-14-2014, 05:57 PM
What a cunt, the Bran castle was a fortress built by saxons. Queen Maria of Romania renovated it and transformed into a castle. You spoke fantasy. Saxons were not allow to build castles. The wooden fotress was built by Teutonic order, but it was destroyed in 1242 Mongol attack. The stone castle was built by king Louis the great in 1377. You speak stupidities, and use your pure fantasy to lie.
Stears
08-14-2014, 06:01 PM
Kendeffy is a Hungarian family, even their name is Hungarian, it means "Your son" , but the first known mention of this family dated back only to the early modern period, the 16th century.
Vlach
08-14-2014, 06:01 PM
You spoke fantasy. Saxons were not allow to build castles. The wooden fotress was built by Teutonic order, but it was destroyed in 1242 Mongol attack. The stone castle was built by king Louis the great in 1377. You speak stupidities, and use your pure fantasy to lie.
" The first documented mentioning of Bran Castle is the act issued by Louis I of Hungary on November 19, 1377, giving the Saxons of Kronstadt (Braşov) the privilege to build the stone citadel on their own expense and labor force; the settlement of Bran began to develop nearby."
Y The stone castle was built by king Louis the great in 1377.
Yes, Louis built the castle by his hands :picard2:
Borna
08-14-2014, 06:02 PM
Transilvania is undoubtely Hungarian, no one can deny that.
Vlach
08-14-2014, 06:06 PM
Kendeffy is a Hungarian family, even their name is Hungarian, it means "Your son" , but the first known mention of this family dated back only to the early modern period, the 16th century.
You know the Transylvania history so good :)))) . You are pathetic, at 38 years old you dont know the history of your ex land.
http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolcv%C3%A1r
First Kendeffy was Candea, a vlach knyaz. He changed his name in Kendeffy and religion in catholic just because of the oppression against orthodoxism from Hungary Kingdom
Vlach
08-14-2014, 06:07 PM
Transilvania is undoubtely Hungarian, no one can deny that.
Is hungarian because the romanians was and are the majority? :cool:
Borna
08-14-2014, 06:07 PM
Is hungarian because the romanians was and are the majority? :cool:
We all know how Romanians became majority there.
Vlach
08-14-2014, 06:09 PM
We all know how Romanians became majority there.
How? Before 1300 the romanians was the majority after 1600 the romanians becomes again the majority.
Stears
08-14-2014, 06:09 PM
" The first documented mentioning of Bran Castle is the act issued by Louis I of Hungary on November 19, 1377, giving the Saxons of Kronstadt (Braşov) the privilege to build the stone citadel on their own expense and labor force; the settlement of Bran began to develop nearby." Yes, Louis built the castle by his hands :picard2: The charter mention the cause of the building: It was built against Vlach (romanian) burglars to ensure some important Transylvanian trade routes. It was never owned by common people (like saxons), because the Hungarian law (and utmost all medieval laws) prohibited to own a castle of non noble origin people. You are simply ridiculous.
Vlach
08-14-2014, 06:12 PM
The charter mention the cause of the building: It was built against Vlach (romanian) burglars to ensure some important Transylvanian trade routes. It was never owned by common people (like saxons), because the Hungarian law (and utmost all medieval laws) prohibited to own a castle of non noble origin people. You are simply ridiculous.
The saxons built the castle, I dont care who own the castle. And now the romanians own the Fagaras fortress nowadays, but this is not a romanian fortress. :rolleyes:
Stears
08-14-2014, 06:20 PM
The saxons built the castle, I dont care who own the castle. And now the romanians own the Fagaras fortress nowadays, but this is not a romanian fortress. :rolleyes: Again, they were not masons, they are just lumped heaped up the materials (stone wood). It was not financed and build by them, and it was not built for them.
Stears
08-14-2014, 06:22 PM
so calm down you descendant of swarthy dwarf late nomad immigrants.
Vlach
08-14-2014, 07:54 PM
Again, they were not masons, they are just lumped heaped up the materials (stone wood). It was not financed and build by them, and it was not built for them.
Was no build by them? Stop being a fucking cunt. :picard2:
Stears
08-16-2014, 05:30 AM
Was no build by them? Stop being a fucking cunt. :picard2: Moron. Read it again and again. Only masons built it.
blogen
08-16-2014, 07:08 AM
The saxons built the castle, I dont care who own the castle. And now the romanians own the Fagaras fortress nowadays, but this is not a romanian fortress. :rolleyes:
Not the Saxons built Fogarasvár, but Apor László, Transylvanian voivod around ~1310. The Hungarian king gave the castle to the Wallachian voivods as fiefdom around ~1370, but he took it back in 1464 from them. This was a small wooden castle at this time. The present stone castle was being built in the first half of the sixteenth century.
http://jupiter.elte.hu/fogaras/fogarasrajzok6.jpg
Vlach
08-16-2014, 09:06 AM
Not the Saxons built Fogarasvár, but Apor László, Transylvanian voivod around ~1310. The Hungarian king gave the castle to the Wallachian voivods as fiefdom around ~1370, but he took it back in 1464 from them. This was a small wooden castle at this time. The present stone castle was being built in the first half of the sixteenth century.
http://jupiter.elte.hu/fogaras/fogarasrajzok6.jpg
I dont said that the saxons built Fagaras. I said just the Fagaras is not a romanian fortress. :P
Xanthias
08-16-2014, 06:54 PM
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Exepct that I didn't edit anything you damn prick, I fount it like it was like that.
Xanthias
08-16-2014, 07:04 PM
Your vlachs ancestors spoke southern-slavic albanian-latin mixature language. Just think about your old dictionary.
Guess what you dirty asian niglet.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/IndoEuropeanTree.svg/800px-IndoEuropeanTree.svg.png
I can't even see yours man. Probably a mix of gypsi language + turkic.
Stears
08-17-2014, 06:09 AM
Guess what you dirty asian niglet. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/IndoEuropeanTree.svg/800px-IndoEuropeanTree.svg.png I can't even see yours man. Probably a mix of gypsi language + turkic. Wrong. Gypsy is your ancient ido-european brothers. All linguist scholars say: Gypsy is the closest language to ancient sanskrit. However there are no known contemporary linguists who support your fantasy that turkic and Hungarian languages are related. Why are gypsies so similar to romanians (like pigmentation low stature)
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