Why is Turkic culture so influential on the world of people they conquered

[ButlerKing]

Turkic was able to turkified many Indo-European from Central Asia, West Siberia, Caucasus, Middle east and made them identify as Turks, speak Turkic and think like Turks. Turkish and Azeris...... even though their different to Turks from central Asia completely idetinfy with Turks and complete forgot who they are.

How come the Arabs and Spanish couldn't do this?

Turkic left strong Turkic identidy, genetics, linguistic on the people they conquered.

[ButlerKing]

Here is a list of Turkic people, so many ethnic group identify as Turks.




Turkic peoples


A

Arghons
Afshar tribe
Aiyy
Ajlad
Akatziroi
Altai Republic
Altay people
Argyns
Eurasian Avars
Avar Khaganate
Avshar Turkmen
Avunculate
Ayazsar
Äynu people
Az (people)
Azerbaijani people


B

Baharlu (ethnic group)
Bahri dynasty
Baibars
Baig
Balkars
Balkar and Karachay nationalism
Baranjars
Bashkirs
Basmyl
Bayandur
Bayat (name)
Beg Khan
Berendei
Bulgars
Turks in Bulgaria
Bulgarian Turks in Turkey

C

Chigils
Chorni Klobuky
Chuban
Chughtai
Chuvash
Chulyms
Council of Turkic American Associations
Crimean Tatars


D

Delhi Sultanate
Dolgans
Dughlats


E

Erdem

G


Gagauz people
Gajal
Göktürks


H

Hazara-i-Karlugh


I

Iranian Azerbaijanis
Iranian Kazakhs
Iranian Turkmen
Iranian Turks


J

Javanshir Qizilbash

K

Kabar
Kankalis
Kara-Khanid Khanate
Karachays
Crimean Karaites
Karakalpaks
Karlugh Turks
Kayı tribe
Kazakhs
Kerei
Khakas people
Khakassia
Khalaj people
Khazars
Khorasani Turks
Kimek tribe
Kimek Khanate
Kipchaks
Yenisei Kirghiz
Kumandins
Kumyks
Küresünni
Kyrgyz people


L



Mirza
Mughal tribe


N

Nogais


O

Oghuz Turks
Oghuz Yabgu State
Onogurs

P
Pechenegs

Q

Qashqai people

S

Sabir people
Sainaimu
Salar people
Salur tribe
Sart
Seljuks in Dobruja
Seok
Shahsevens
Shatuo
Shors
Siberian Tatars
Suars

T

Tatars
Telengits
Teleuts
Tofalar
Togarmah
Turco-Mongol
Turgesh
Turkic languages
Turkic migration
Turkish Cypriots
Iraqi Turkmens
Syrian Turks
Turkmen people
Turko-Tatar
Turks in Hamadan
Turks of Romania
Tuvans

U

Ugrians
Uokil
Uriankhai
Urums
Uyghur people
Uyghur Khaganate
Uysyn
Uzbeks

W

Western Turkic Khaganate


Y


Yabaku
Yakuts
Yugur people

[ButlerKing]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cjE1eTp6yWU/T27cwVFmToI/AAAAAAAAHlc/b_PzzR-3MsQ/s1600/turkish1.jpg

[Kiyant]

Didnt know of the Turkic ethnicy named "Anti-Turkism" must be interesting people........

[ButlerKing]

Didnt know of the Turkic ethnicy named "Anti-Turkism" must be interesting people........

It was part of the A section I accidentally included.

Anyway back to topic question, why was Turk so successful in Turkification? there is no way that all though ethnic group were originally Turkic, that is more ethnic Turk group than any other ethnic group in the world.

[Loki]

Because Turks are born to conquer and rule. It's in their genes and culture.

[RussiaPrussia]

Here is a list of Turkic people, so many ethnic group identify as Turks.




Turkic peoples


A

Arghons
Afshar tribe
Aiyy
Ajlad
Akatziroi
Altai Republic
Altay people
Argyns
Eurasian Avars
Avar Khaganate
Avshar Turkmen
Avunculate
Ayazsar
Äynu people
Az (people)
Azerbaijani people


B

Baharlu (ethnic group)
Bahri dynasty
Baibars
Baig
Balkars
Balkar and Karachay nationalism
Baranjars
Bashkirs
Basmyl
Bayandur
Bayat (name)
Beg Khan
Berendei
Bulgars
Turks in Bulgaria
Bulgarian Turks in Turkey

C

Chigils
Chorni Klobuky
Chuban
Chughtai
Chuvash
Chulyms
Council of Turkic American Associations
Crimean Tatars


D

Delhi Sultanate
Dolgans
Dughlats


E

Erdem

G


Gagauz people
Gajal
Göktürks


H

Hazara-i-Karlugh


I

Iranian Azerbaijanis
Iranian Kazakhs
Iranian Turkmen
Iranian Turks


J

Javanshir Qizilbash

K

Kabar
Kankalis
Kara-Khanid Khanate
Karachays
Crimean Karaites
Karakalpaks
Karlugh Turks
Kayı tribe
Kazakhs
Kerei
Khakas people
Khakassia
Khalaj people
Khazars
Khorasani Turks
Kimek tribe
Kimek Khanate
Kipchaks
Yenisei Kirghiz
Kumandins
Kumyks
Küresünni
Kyrgyz people


L



Mirza
Mughal tribe


N

Nogais


O

Oghuz Turks
Oghuz Yabgu State
Onogurs

P
Pechenegs

Q

Qashqai people

S

Sabir people
Sainaimu
Salar people
Salur tribe
Sart
Seljuks in Dobruja
Seok
Shahsevens
Shatuo
Shors
Siberian Tatars
Suars

T

Tatars
Telengits
Teleuts
Tofalar
Togarmah
Turco-Mongol
Turgesh
Turkic languages
Turkic migration
Turkish Cypriots
Iraqi Turkmens
Syrian Turks
Turkmen people
Turko-Tatar
Turks in Hamadan
Turks of Romania
Tuvans

U

Ugrians
Uokil
Uriankhai
Urums
Uyghur people
Uyghur Khaganate
Uysyn
Uzbeks

W

Western Turkic Khaganate


Y


Yabaku
Yakuts
Yugur people

half of them are dead

[ButlerKing]

Because Turks are born to conquer and rule. It's in their genes and culture.

Sure but how did they managed to made all those ethnic group identify as Turks?

The Turks left heavy genetic admixture and language just like the Arabs and Spaniards but even they weren't nowhere as successful as Turks.

[Sikeliot]

How come the Arabs and Spanish couldn't do this?

They did. Hence why the majority of the New World speaks Spanish, and why everything from Iraq to Morocco speaks Arabic and identifies as Arabs even though their actual descent from genetic Arabs is minimal.

[King Claus]

Excellent.

[ButlerKing]

They did. Hence why the majority of the New World speaks Spanish, and why everything from Iraq to Morocco speaks Arabic and identifies as Arabs even though their actual descent from genetic Arabs is minimal.

Mexicans will identify with Latin culture and language but they will never think their the same people with Spaniards, same with the Arabs like for example Kuwait and Iraqi both identify as Arabs but see each other as rivals and enemies. Most Latin American and Arab nations are enemies to eachother.

Aside from Uzbeks and Kyrgyz, all Turks group on the other hand see themselves as brothers and very close relatives.

[Annihilus]

Don't tell anyone else our big secret but it is because we are part wolf:)

[Fortis in Arduis]

Mexicans will identify with Latin culture and language but they will never think their the same people with Spaniards, same with the Arabs like for example Kuwait and Iraqi both identify as Arabs but see each other as rivals and enemies. Most Latin American and Arab nations are enemies to eachother.

Aside from Uzbeks and Kyrgyz, all Turks group on the other hand see themselves as brothers and very close relatives.

Perhaps the non-ethno-nationalist nature of Islam combined with Turkic imperialism encouraged this identification and lessening of ethnic identity.

[Kiyant]

Perhaps the non-ethno-nationalist nature of Islam combined with Turkic imperialism encouraged this identification and lessening of ethnic identity.
It hasnt had to do anything with Islam because many assimilated Iranian people in the east like some scythians and others "became" Turkic without Islam

[Fortis in Arduis]

It hasnt had to do anything with Islam because many assimilated Iranian people in the east like some scythians and others "became" Turkic without Islam

In that case, perhaps it was the power of Turkic rug-making.

[Smeagol]

ButlerKing are you Turkic?

[Smeagol]

By the way, Any Anatolian Turk who thinks he's the same as the original Turkics is delusional.

[Formozgan]

Mexicans will identify with Latin culture and language but they will never think their the same people with Spaniards, same with the Arabs like for example Kuwait and Iraqi both identify as Arabs but see each other as rivals and enemies. Most Latin American and Arab nations are enemies to eachother.

Aside from Uzbeks and Kyrgyz, all Turks group on the other hand see themselves as brothers and very close relatives.

What the fuck makes you think an Anatolian Turk would act like a Kazakh or a Tatar? They won't. The later act more like Russians.

[Kiyant]

What the fuck makes you think an Anatolian Turk would act like a Kazakh or a Tatar? They won't. The later act more like Russians.
They still speak all Turkic and consider each other as a borther/relative.

[Sky earth]

Turkic is a linguistic definition and not a ethnocultural term. The Turkic peoples are culturally just as diverse as they are genetically and nationalism is extremely widespread among Turkic peoples. The escalation between the Kyrgyz and Uzbeks started because of cultural differences. The Kyrgyz are very proud of their warrior ancestors and want to associate themselves with Gehngis Khan while the Uzbeks are very proud of their Uzbek poets like Ali-Shir Nava'i or Uzbek astronomers and mathematicans like Ulugh Beg. I've often heard that the Uzbeks insult the Kyrgyz as barbarian Mongolians while the Krygyz insult the Uzbeks as not real Turkic and that they are actually mainly Turkiczied Tajiks

[justme]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cjE1eTp6yWU/T27cwVFmToI/AAAAAAAAHlc/b_PzzR-3MsQ/s1600/turkish1.jpg

Your map is wrong and offensive to kosovo Albanians.

[Wolf]

It hasnt had to do anything with Islam because many assimilated Iranian people in the east like some scythians and others "became" Turkic without Islam

Of course it does!

How else can you explain the correlation between Turkification and Islamization of Anatolia?

This is similar to the Arabization of the Middle East and North Africa.

[Pjeter Pan]

Becuase all those people are weak they couldn't turkified the Balkans.

[Wolf]

Becuase all those people are weak they couldn't turkified the Balkans.

At least, "Balkan" is a Turkish word. :rolleyes:

[Vesuvian Sky]

Its the appeal of composite bows. They are just too badass:

http://hunarchery.com/catalog/images/HornBowTurkish44GreenRedGoldSet.JPG

[blogen]

Its the appeal of composite bows. They are just too badass:

The Turks conquered the third of the present and half of the medieval Turkish lands from Iranian nomads. But the Iranians used a composite bow too.

[Gorštak]

Once you go Turk, you never go back.

[Wolf]

Its the appeal of composite bows. They are just too badass:

http://hunarchery.com/catalog/images/HornBowTurkish44GreenRedGoldSet.JPG

That's one of the explanations for their military success. But the Mongols also used this kind of bow but had much less cultural impact.



Once you go Turk, you never go back.

Where's the rhyme? :rolleyes:

[Hayalet]

Why is Turkic culture so influential on the world of people they conquered
Compared to whom? Mongols? The difference is that Turks were already numerous before their expansion and that their expansion didn't exclusively consist of military men.


Turkic was able to turkified many Indo-European from Central Asia, West Siberia, Caucasus, Middle east and made them identify as Turks, speak Turkic and think like Turks.
Nonsense. Turks just intermarried a lot with non-Turks and their offsprings became plain Turks instead of having mixed identity and divided loyalty. "Turkification" as in some borg-like forced assimilation is a myth.

[Vesuvian Sky]

The Turks conquered the third of the present and half of the medieval Turkish lands from Iranian nomads. But the Iranians used a composite bow too.


That's one of the explanations for their military success. But the Mongols also used this kind of bow but had much less cultural impact.

I dunno dudes, couple this bow with kebab, some throat singing and a yurt and before you know it, Harja Turan!:cool:

[Albion]

Most of the Turkic lands are crap, sparsely populated wilderness areas like steppes, deserts and taiga. The only decent bits are Turkey, some parts of Iran and Azerbaijan.
Turkics are just spread out because most of their lands can't support too many people. Yakutia for example is huge, bigger than any country in Europe except Russia, yet it has few people and is the backwater of all backwaters.

Canada has a huge expanse of land, but like with the Turkic lands, it doesn't necessarily mean it's all good. All the important parts of the world - the major population centres and civilizations are found in areas that can support large areas of crops (although farming, and civilization may have initially started in areas scarce in resources, they spread and come to depend on vast arable lands).

[Kiyant]

Most of the Turkic lands are crap, sparsely populated wilderness areas like steppes, deserts and taiga. The only decent bits are Turkey, some parts of Iran and Azerbaijan.
Turkics are just spread out because most of their lands can't support too many people. Yakutia for example is huge, bigger than any country in Europe except Russia, yet it has few people and is the backwater of all backwaters.

Canada has a huge expanse of land, but like with the Turkic lands, it doesn't necessarily mean it's all good. All the important parts of the world - the major population centres and civilizations are found in areas that can support large areas of crops (although farming, and civilization may have initially started in areas scarce in resources, they spread and come to depend on vast arable lands).

But this doesnt have anything to do with the question?

[Smaug]

Most of the Turkic lands are crap, sparsely populated wilderness areas like steppes, deserts and taiga. The only decent bits are Turkey, some parts of Iran and Azerbaijan.
Turkics are just spread out because most of their lands can't support too many people. Yakutia for example is huge, bigger than any country in Europe except Russia, yet it has few people and is the backwater of all backwaters.

Canada has a huge expanse of land, but like with the Turkic lands, it doesn't necessarily mean it's all good. All the important parts of the world - the major population centres and civilizations are found in areas that can support large areas of crops (although farming, and civilization may have initially started in areas scarce in resources, they spread and come to depend on vast arable lands).

Basically that, but in a less offensive way, you have to learn to be a little more polite my friend, and I hated your signature.

[Albion]

Basically that, but in a less offensive way, you have to learn to be a little more polite my friend, and I hated your signature.

Don't be so PC.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Turkic was able to turkified many Indo-European from Central Asia, West Siberia, Caucasus, Middle east and made them identify as Turks, speak Turkic and think like Turks. Turkish and Azeris...... even though their different to Turks from central Asia completely idetinfy with Turks and complete forgot who they are.

How come the Arabs and Spanish couldn't do this?

Turkic left strong Turkic identidy, genetics, linguistic on the people they conquered.

Actually the Spanish did it even better, and the Arabs are not far behind either. The most of Latin America speaks Spanish, and many other parts of the world too. The Arabs have turned a large portion of the planet into Muslims including the Turks, and the Turks did use Arabic until less than a century ago.

In any case, who gives a shit? Whenever I ask the Turks what good have they done for the sake of humanity, what scientists and great thinkers they have produced, they come up with some ridiculus folks like Dr. Raspberry Ketone or Nasradin Hoca... Not to mention that "intellectual genious" called Fethullah Gulen...

I am not really impressed. Are you?

[Gorštak]

Actually the Spanish did it even better, and the Arabs are not far behind either. The most of Latin America speaks Spanish, and many other parts of the world too. The Arabs have turned a large portion of the planet into Muslims including the Turks, and the Turks did use Arabic until less than a century ago.

In any case, who gives a shit? Whenever I ask the Turks what good have they done for the sake of humanity, what scientists and great thinkers they have produced, they come up with some ridiculus folks like Dr. Raspberry Ketone or Nasradin Hoca... Not to mention that "intellectual genious" called Fethullah Gulen...

I am not really impressed. Are you?

Give us some names of great Orthodox Turks to make them look better.

[Wolf]

Actually the Spanish did it even better, and the Arabs are not far behind either.

Don't forget the English. :rolleyes:

http://ndla.no/sites/default/files/images/the_English_Speaking_World_0.png

[Petros Houhoulis]

Give us some names of great Orthodox Turks to make them look better.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgios_Papanikolaou