Distorted painting and fake faces of historical figures (ex alexander the great, Tamerlane )

[ButlerKing]

Why are there so many different painting and portraits of historical figures, even changing their racial features?



Alexander the Great here look greeks, the oldest date

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Nf5FfHNth64/SX2d-f23lFI/AAAAAAAAEBI/RGi1ujlH-rk/s400/alexander_the_great%5B1%5D.jpg

And here looks nordic
http://www.epilogue.net/sites/default/files/imagecache/gallery_lg/images/05/19/25384_1116043200.jpg

Timurlane here painting from 20th century made him look like a Arab

http://www.artoflegendindia.com/images/detailed/peac002_tamer_lane.jpg

Timurlane original paiting, the oldest date
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/Tamerlan.jpg

[Smeagol]

Actually, that isn't the oldest depiction of Alexander, and according to Plutarch, this one by Lysippos was the most accurate.
http://archaeology-travel.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/archaeology-in-paris.jpg

[ButlerKing]

I'm talking about painting and portraits.

But yeah oldest date hannibal statue


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/HannibalTheCarthaginian.jpg


His paintings


http://www.biography.com/imported/images/Biography/Images/Profiles/H/Hannibal-9327767-1-402.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d131/sawaad/hann-1.jpg

[ButlerKing]

Continue...... you can see only only Alexander the Great and Timurlane alone have many distorted pictures made in 18th to 19th century


http://karinasussanto.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/alexander-the-great-arturas-slapsys.jpg

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/alexander-the-great_114.jpg

http://www.petermanseye.com/images/photos/post/tamerlane_75a.jpg?1343874911

http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/WI/223/1899/PreviewComp/SuperStock_1899-38940.jpg


However Tamerlane was 55-60% Mongoloid

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e189/anda_mn/200px-TimurExhumed2.jpg

[Kiyant]

Continue...... you can see only only Alexander the Great and Timurlane alone have many distorted pictures made in 18th to 19th century


http://karinasussanto.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/alexander-the-great-arturas-slapsys.jpg

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/alexander-the-great_114.jpg

http://www.petermanseye.com/images/photos/post/tamerlane_75a.jpg?1343874911

http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/WI/223/1899/PreviewComp/SuperStock_1899-38940.jpg


However Tamerlane was 55-60% Mongoloid

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e189/anda_mn/200px-TimurExhumed2.jpg

Tamerlane looks so badass i wish when im old i would look like him and i have a chance to look like him.

[ButlerKing]

Portrait of Nelson. He looks like Mr.Bean in many portraits with that ugly face and big noses of his.

http://www.noble-caledonia.co.uk/images/side/admiral_nelson.jpg

Yet in some paintings they made him into a angelic handsome guy with well proportioned nose size.


http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/biography/images/nelson_h.jpg

[Smeagol]

Alexander was a blonde, the recent paintings got that right.

Of persons excellent in Beauty They say that the most amiable and beautiful amongst the Greeks was Alcibiades; amongst the Romans, Scipio. It is reported also that Demetrius Poliorcetes contended in Beauty. They affirm likewise that Alexander Son of Philip was of a neglectful handsomness: For his Hair curled naturally, and was yellow; yet they say there was something stern in his countenance.
(Aelian, Varia Historia .Book XII Chap. XIV.)

[ButlerKing]

Alexander was a blonde, the recent paintings got that right.

Of persons excellent in Beauty They say that the most amiable and beautiful amongst the Greeks was Alcibiades; amongst the Romans, Scipio. It is reported also that Demetrius Poliorcetes contended in Beauty. They affirm likewise that Alexander Son of Philip was of a neglectful handsomness: For his Hair curled naturally, and was yellow; yet they say there was something stern in his countenance.
(Aelian, Varia Historia .Book XII Chap. XIV.)


His son, not alexander himself

I've seen many children born to black haired Turkish men with European women and their children have blonde hair.


http://gaphotos.s3.amazonaws.com/photos/g/1140000/1145000/1145595/DE95F3731335174230899-e.jpg

[Smeagol]

His son, not alexander himself

I've seen many children of Black haired Turkish men with Russian women and their children have blonde hair.

No, it says Alexander son of Phillip, not Alexander's son who was half Persian or something like that.

[ButlerKing]

No, it says Alexander son of Phillip, not Alexander's son who was half Persian or something like that.

I don't know....... maybe he had blonde hair. Is there any description of him having blonde hair when he was adult? Or maybe he simply have blonde hair as a child and had dark hair when he grew older.

Mosaic of Pompey indicated he had black hair to brown.

[ButlerKing]

No, it says Alexander son of Phillip, not Alexander's son who was half Persian or something like that.

The Hair color of Alexander the Great was Brown to Black.. as so indicated by the Mosaic of Pompey, which was as is indicated by some, itself a copy of a painting done to Alexander by Apelles, while Alexander was in his youth and alive and well.. Apelles was not only a contemporary of Alexander and His father, Philip.. but also painted Alxander where he is holding Rods of lightning... and so the Mosaic is very faithful to the real hair color of Alexander given the fact that the Slavics of that area today, are mainly Dark haired people.. the same can be said about the skintone of Alexander, for in the mosaic of Pompey, as a copy of Apelles's painting who met Him.. Alexader is shown as Olive skinned, with large Mediterranean Dark eyes.. not that different than the Persians that he is fighting.... Those that say that he is "Blond and blue eyed" are too influenced by Hollywood's view of Alexander and not by Archaeology... are worse yet.. Nordicist, Racial fantasies...

[Smeagol]

I don't know....... maybe he had blonde hair. Is there any description of him having blonde hair when he was adult?

Or maybe he simply have blonde hair as a child and had dark hair when he grew older.

As far as I know, this is the only source describing his hair color, but he had one blue eye, and one brown eye.

According to the historian, Arrian,
''The strong, handsome commander with one eye dark as the night and one blue as the sky.''

[Smeagol]

The Hair color of Alexander the Great was Brown to Black.. as so indicated by the Mosaic of Pompey, which was as is indicated by some, itself a copy of a painting done to Alexander by Apelles, while Alexander was in his youth and alive and well.. Apelles was not only a contemporary of Alexander and His father, Philip.. but also painted Alxander where he is holding Rods of lightning... and so the Mosaic is very faithful to the real hair color of Alexander given the fact that the Slavics of that area today, are mainly Dark haired people.. the same can be said about the skintone of Alexander, for in the mosaic of Pompey, as a copy of Apelles's painting who met Him.. Alexader is shown as Olive skinned, with large Mediterranean Dark eyes.. not that different than the Persians that he is fighting.... Those that say that he is "Blond and blue eyed" are too influenced by Hollywood's view of Alexander and not by Archaeology... are worse yet.. Nordicist, Racial fantasies...

The outward appearance of Alexander is best represented by the statues of him which Lysippus made, and it was by this artist alone that Alexander himself thought it fit that he should be modelled. For those peculiarities which many of his successors and friends afterwards tried to imitate, namely, the poise of the neck, which was bent slightly to the left, and the melting glance of his eyes, this artist has accurately observed. Apelles, however, in painting him as wielder of the thunder-bolt, did not reproduce his complexion, but made it too dark and swarthy. Whereas he was of a fair colour, as they say, and his fairness passed into ruddiness on his breast particularly, and in his face. Moreover, that a very pleasant odour exhaled from his skin and that there was a fragrance about his mouth and all his flesh, so that his garments were filled with it, this we have read in the Memoirs of Aristoxenus.
Plutarch, (Life of Alexander)

[Tropico]

I think the biggest one is the depiction of Jesus. Dude was a Jew and he's depicted as lily white, blue eyed and flowing silky hair with a super straight nose. Now we know thats not true. And then on that documentary on the History Channel they had a Portuguese man playing Jesus. :picard1:

[ButlerKing]

As far as I know, this is the only source describing his hair color, but he had one blue eye, and one brown eye.

According to the historian, Arrian,
''The strong, handsome commander with one eye dark as the night and one blue as the sky.''

Was Alexander some genetic freak? are you the description of him one blue eye and one brown eye don't mean something else?

[Smeagol]

I think the biggest one is the depiction of Jesus. Dude was a Jew and he's depicted as lily white, blue eyed and flowing silky hair with a super straight nose. Now we know thats not true. And then on that documentary on the History Channel they had a Portuguese man playing Jesus. :picard1:

The Romans said he was blonde. Blonde Jews aren't as rare as you think.

[Smeagol]

Was Alexander some genetic freak? are you the description of him one blue eye and one brown eye don't mean something else?

It's called Heterochromia.
''Heterochromia of the eye (heterochromia iridis or heterochromia iridum; the common incorrect form "heterochromia iridium" is not correct Latin) is of two kinds. In complete heterochromia, one iris is a different color from the other.''

[Tropico]

The Romans said he was blonde. Blonde Jews aren't as rare as you think.

Oh god. I think we can all agree that Jesus was not Aryan looking in any way. He was a Caucasian man from the Middle East. And those were idiotic Roman sources. The best descriptions anyone should pay attention to should be the ones from his disciples.

[ButlerKing]

The outward appearance of Alexander is best represented by the statues of him which Lysippus made, and it was by this artist alone that Alexander himself thought it fit that he should be modelled. For those peculiarities which many of his successors and friends afterwards tried to imitate, namely, the poise of the neck, which was bent slightly to the left, and the melting glance of his eyes, this artist has accurately observed. Apelles, however, in painting him as wielder of the thunder-bolt, did not reproduce his complexion, but made it too dark and swarthy. Whereas he was of a fair colour, as they say, and his fairness passed into ruddiness on his breast particularly, and in his face. Moreover, that a very pleasant odour exhaled from his skin and that there was a fragrance about his mouth and all his flesh, so that his garments were filled with it, this we have read in the Memoirs of Aristoxenus.
Plutarch, (Life of Alexander)


Man, I'm confused


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptEI8kkvsLs

[ButlerKing]

It's called Heterochromia.
''Heterochromia of the eye (heterochromia iridis or heterochromia iridum; the common incorrect form "heterochromia iridium" is not correct Latin) is of two kinds. In complete heterochromia, one iris is a different color from the other.''

I'm just surprised that the Greatest Greek leader is something so unique. Blond hair is rare among Greeks and this Heterochromia is almost non-existant, only very few people in the world has it. Although many European president are born with black hair and blue eyes instead of blonde/red hair and blue eyes.


Kind of like the Khans of the Mongol empire, light hair/eyes although it's 5% among western Mongolian and 10-15% in Kazakhs, 95% of Mongolians still have black hair and black eyes.



http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/woCN8lVJSNY/hqdefault.jpg?feature=og

[Smeagol]

Oh god. I think we can all agree that Jesus was not Aryan looking in any way. He was a Caucasian man from the Middle East. And those were idiotic Roman sources. The best descriptions anyone should pay attention to should be the ones from his disciples.

His disciples said he had hair as white as wool. The Romans clearly thought he was a blonde though.

[Smeagol]

Man, I'm confused


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptEI8kkvsLs

Lol, this video was made by Persian nationalists.;)

[ButlerKing]

His disciples said he had hair as white as wool. The Romans clearly thought he was a blonde though.

He also said his skin was bronze. Anyway there's a lot things here that are quite provocative. The fact that the greatest Greek leader was portrayed with blonde hair is very offensive to the modern greeks who are black hair and brown hair who associates themselves with him.

In a way it suggest that nordic people are superior , although some european countries who are predominately blonde and blue eyes have royal family born with black eyes and darkish hair, the weird thing is some of these children are born with blonde hair


for example Kronprinsessan Victoria, prinsessan Estelle och Prins Daniel


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Kronprinsessan_Victoria%2C_prinsessan_Estelle_och_ Prins_Daniel-4.jpg

[Smeagol]

The fact that the greatest Greek leader was portrayed with blonde hair is very offensive to the modern greeks who are black hair and brown hair who associates themselves with him.

I don't think it should offend Greeks, but it's a fact that he was described by historians as blonde. There are still blonde Greeks anyway.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Why are there so many different painting and portraits of historical figures, even changing their racial features?



Alexander the Great here look greeks, the oldest date

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Nf5FfHNth64/SX2d-f23lFI/AAAAAAAAEBI/RGi1ujlH-rk/s400/alexander_the_great%5B1%5D.jpg

And here looks nordic
http://www.epilogue.net/sites/default/files/imagecache/gallery_lg/images/05/19/25384_1116043200.jpg

Timurlane here painting from 20th century made him look like a Arab

http://www.artoflegendindia.com/images/detailed/peac002_tamer_lane.jpg

Timurlane original paiting, the oldest date
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/Tamerlan.jpg

Both the tamerlane pics are bad, there's a statue that's dead on. Looks like a klingon.

For alexander he actually looks 100% nordic in both pictures, he just looks darker in the second, which is probably because it was done by greeks not macedonians. Somehow people like to forget white people get a tan, but every historical source says he also had blonde hair and blue eyes so....

[ButlerKing]

I don't think it should offend Greeks, but it's a fact that he was described by historians as blonde. There are still blonde Greeks anyway.

They do, the Greeks do not like it when you claim he is blonde.

He was described blonde as a child but what about when he grew older? you have many children born with blonde hair and grew up with dark hair.

[Smeagol]

They do, the Greeks do not like it when you claim he is blonde.

He was described blonde as a child but what about when he grew older? you have many children born with blonde hair and grew up with dark hair.

It's not just as a child, it didn't say anything about him being a child, it just said Alexander, son of Phillip, and mentioned his hair was yellow.

[ButlerKing]

Both the tamerlane pics are bad, there's a statue that's dead on. Looks like a klingon.

For alexander he actually looks 100% nordic in both pictures, he just looks darker in the second, which is probably because it was done by greeks not macedonians. Somehow people like to forget white people get a tan, but every historical source says he also had blonde hair and blue eyes so....

The first picture look more like a middle eastern or south European.


The statues were all made several hundred years after his death. The only thing reliable is the tomb of Tamerlane, the facial reconstruction of Timur by soviet anthropologist.


Gerasimov also confirmed Timur's lameness due to a hip injury. Gerasimov also found that Timur's facial characteristics conformed to that of fairly Mongoloid features with somewhat Caucasoid admixture.[71] In the study of "Anthropological composition of the population of Central Asia" shows the cranium of Timur predominate the characters of the South Siberian Mongoloid type.[88] Timur is classified as being closer to the Mongoloid race with some admixture.


http://i50.tinypic.com/504l4x.jpg

[ButlerKing]

It's not just as a child, it didn't say anything about him being a child, it just said Alexander, son of Phillip, and mentioned his hair was yellow.

If that's true than it may very be true alexander was not a typical type of Greek.

[Smeagol]

If that's true than it may very be true alexander was not a typical type of Greek.

Maybe not, but there are still Greeks that look that way.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

They do, the Greeks do not like it when you claim he is blonde.

He was described blonde as a child but what about when he grew older? you have many children born with blonde hair and grew up with dark hair.

Greeks are very upset by anything resembling truth it seems.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

If that's true than it may very be true alexander was not a typical type of Greek.

He. Was. Not. Greek.

:lol:

Why do people think stupid shit like this?

[Benacer]

He. Was. Not. Greek.

:lol:

Why do people think stupid shit like this?

Maybe because his parents were Greek, he belonged to a Greek dynasty, he spoke Greek, he was tutored by Greek philosophers, adhered to Greek religion and venerated Greek heroes? :picard1:

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Maybe because his parents were Greek, he belonged to a Greek dynasty, he spoke Greek, he was tutored by Greek philosophers, adhered to Greek religion and venerated Greek heroes? :picard1:

It's like saying Irish guy is English.

They spoke a similar language but were a completely different ethnicity with nothing to do with each other.

The darked up mosaic was not made in macedonia at all. Actually it was made in pompei (thought it was greece but guess I misremembered).

[ButlerKing]

It's like saying Irish guy is English.

They spoke a similar language but were a completely different ethnicity with nothing to do with each other.

The darked up mosaic was not made in macedonia at all. Actually it was made in pompei (thought it was greece but guess I misremembered).

They say macedonia used to be Greek and have no relations to modern Macedonians.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

They say macedonia used to be Greek and have no relations to modern Macedonians.

That's true, too.

However, it used to be completely separate from greeks, before that.

Macedonia started off with nothing to do with what we call Greek today, which is just athenian. Then athenian type greeks and semitic tribes came and wogged it up. Eventually there was almost nothing left but these guys, though there is some right wing author who looks 100% nordic like alexander and people I meet in US with Greek ancestry are often pretty close. By what I see on tv finding someone like that in Greece today is like winning the lottery, though.

In addition it's clear a ton of other middle east type DNA has come into Greece as well, which I never used to see on tv/pics when I was younger.

So basically Greece has "claimed" Alexander when he is nothing to do with them, and in reality macedonia has been basically scattered to the winds. They are terrible about this kind of crap. All the middle east does this kind of stuff too but it's so common it's hard to debunk it all.

[ButlerKing]

That's true, too.

However, it used to be completely separate from greeks, before that.

Greece started off with nothing to do with what we call Greek today, which is just athenian. Then athenian type greeks and semitic tribes came and wogged it up. Eventually there was almost nothing left but these guys, though there is some right wing author who looks 100% nordic like alexander and people I meet in US with Greek ancestry are often pretty close. By what I see on tv finding someone like that in Greece today is like winning the lottery, though.

In addition it's clear a ton of other middle east type DNA has come into Greece as well, which I never used to see on tv/pics when I was younger.

So basically Greece has "claimed" Alexander when he is nothing to do with them, and in reality macedonia has been basically scattered to the winds. They are terrible about this kind of crap. All the middle east does this kind of stuff too but it's so common it's hard to debunk it all.

So if Greeks can't claim Alexander and ancient Greeks. What about the royal families of North Europeans and their history? they were mostly dark eyes and dark hair can we say they have nothing to do with with the 95% of North Europeans with blonde hair and blue eyes?

[Smeagol]

So if Greeks can't claim Alexander and ancient Greeks. What about the royal families of North Europeans and their history? they were mostly dark eyes and dark hair can we say they have nothing to do with with the 95% of North Europeans with blonde hair and blue eyes?

The North European royals have been mostly brown haired, and blue eyed.

[ButlerKing]

The North European royals have been mostly brown haired, and blue eyed.


Some of the greatest leaders of Sweden and Finland had dark brown hair, darker skin too although they always had blue eyes. People would think they fit Southern European, nothing compared with the 95% who are blonde and blue eyes.

[Smeagol]

Some of the greatest leaders of Sweden and Finland had dark brown hair, darker skin too although they always had blue eyes. People would think they fit Southern European, nothing compared with the 95% who are blonde and blue eyes.

Most of the great Swedish kings have been blonde, or red haired, and blue eyed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gustav_Vasa.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Eric_XIV_of_Sweden.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/Gustav_II_of_Sweden.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/Karl_XII_1706.jpg

[Prisoner Of Ice]

So if Greeks can't claim Alexander and ancient Greeks.

That's like me claiming the achievements of the iroquois indians. Nothing to do with me, and in fact you could argue I am implicitly part of wiping them out.



What about the royal families of North Europeans and their history? they were mostly dark eyes and dark hair can we say they have nothing to do with with the 95% of North Europeans with blonde hair and blue eyes?

That's one reason that people abandoned the royals, they mainly got where they were through conquest or more likely through marriage. A particular queen of sweden stated the same thing, how ridiculous it was she was suddenly different the day after she married into the royal line. She was from baden or wurtemmberg or somewhere.

The helots in sparta were not the same as those called spartans, but they are probably all that's left of aegean greeks (though it's doubtful even they have left much of an impact).

[ButlerKing]

Most of the great Swedish kings have been blonde, or red haired, and blue eyed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gustav_Vasa.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Eric_XIV_of_Sweden.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/Gustav_II_of_Sweden.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/Karl_XII_1706.jpg

I said mostly were dark hair and dark eyes , the same thing with alexander the Great. He was the greatest greek but he is just of the many leaders.


For example the current prime minister of Sweden looks more like a Caucasus or Southern European.

One should ask why isn't he a typical swedish looking person


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/Fredrik-reinfeldt-alliance-cropped.jpg

[Smeagol]

I said mostly were dark hair and dark eyes , the same thing with alexander the Great. He was the greatest greek but he is just of the many leaders.


For example the current prime minister of Sweden looks more like a Caucasus or Southern European.

One should ask why isn't he a typical swedish looking person


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/Fredrik-reinfeldt-alliance-cropped.jpg

He isn't a pure Swede anyway.

''During the 2006 election, it was brought to attention that Reinfeldt's paternal great-grandfather, John Reinfeldt, was the illegitimate son of Emma Dorotea Reinfeld, a maid from Eckau in present-day Latvia, and John Hood, an African American circus director from New York.[54][55] Emma Dorotea Reinfeld later married the Swede Anders Karlsson, but her son Fredrik kept his mother's surname. The spelling was later changed to Reinfeldt.[2][54][55] He also has Italian ancestry, via his paternal grandmother, who was allegedly descended from Ferdinand IV of Naples and his wife, Marie Caroline of Austria.[55]''

[ButlerKing]

That's like me claiming the achievements of the iroquois indians. Nothing to do with me, and in fact you could argue I am implicitly part of wiping them out.



That's one reason that people abandoned the royals, they mainly got where they were through conquest or more likely through marriage. A particular queen of sweden stated the same thing, how ridiculous it was she was suddenly different the day after she married into the royal line. She was from baden or wurtemmberg or somewhere.

The helots in sparta were not the same as those called spartans, but they are probably all that's left of aegean greeks (though it's doubtful even they have left much of an impact).

This is true, what is finland and sweden today is not the same as the Finland and Sweden in the past, half of them were conquered territories and had many seperate kingdoms.

Look at the Swedish morchan for example

Charles VIII (Karl Knutsson Bonde)
20 June 1448–24 February 1457, 9 August 1464–30 January 1465 and 12 November 1467–15 May 1470

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/Carl-II-Sweden.jpg


Christian I (Kristian I)
23 June 1457–23 June 1464

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/Christian-I-DenmarkNorwaySweden.JPG


John II ("Hans")
6 October 1497–August 1501
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/John%28II%29DenmarkNorwaySweden.jpg

[ButlerKing]

He isn't a pure Swede anyway.

''During the 2006 election, it was brought to attention that Reinfeldt's paternal great-grandfather, John Reinfeldt, was the illegitimate son of Emma Dorotea Reinfeld, a maid from Eckau in present-day Latvia, and John Hood, an African American circus director from New York.[54][55] Emma Dorotea Reinfeld later married the Swede Anders Karlsson, but her son Fredrik kept his mother's surname. The spelling was later changed to Reinfeldt.[2][54][55] He also has Italian ancestry, via his paternal grandmother, who was allegedly descended from Ferdinand IV of Naples and his wife, Marie Caroline of Austria.[55]''

That maybe so but I've seen many Swedish leaders with those looks

House of Mecklenburg


Albert of Sweden (Albrekt av Mecklenburg)
15 February 1364–24 February 1389


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/Albert_Sweden_Grave_6_20101024.JPG


Monarchs during the Kalmar Union period and Regents (Riksföreståndare)

Eric (XIII) (Erik av Pommern)
23 July 1396–24 September 1439 (deposed 1434–1435 and 1436)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/Eryk_I_Pomorski_Dar%C5%82owo.jpg


Christian II the Tyrant (Kristian Tyrann)
1 November 1520–23 August 1521

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/ChristianII_of_denmark.jpg

[Smeagol]

That maybe so but I've seen many Swedish leaders with those looks

House of Mecklenburg


Albert of Sweden (Albrekt av Mecklenburg)
15 February 1364–24 February 1389


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/Albert_Sweden_Grave_6_20101024.JPG


Monarchs during the Kalmar Union period and Regents (Riksföreståndare)

Eric (XIII) (Erik av Pommern)
23 July 1396–24 September 1439 (deposed 1434–1435 and 1436)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/Eryk_I_Pomorski_Dar%C5%82owo.jpg


Christian II the Tyrant (Kristian Tyrann)
1 November 1520–23 August 1521

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/ChristianII_of_denmark.jpg

True, but most of the Swedish kings have had blonde, or brown hair, with blue eyes.

[ButlerKing]

Charles X Gustav (Karl X Gustav)
6 June 1654 – 13 February 1660

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/S%C3%A9bastien_Bourdons-Karl_X_Gustav.jpg


Charles XI (Karl XI)
13 February 1660 – 5 April 1697

House of Palatinate-Zweibrücken, a branch of the House of Wittelsbach
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/Carl-XI-Sweden.jpg

[ButlerKing]

True, but most of the Swedish kings have had blonde, or brown hair, with blue eyes.

From what I'm seeing only the Swedish from the last 16th century had mostly blonde hair and blue eyes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Swedish_monarchs

[Smeagol]

From what I'm seeing only the Swedish from the last 16th century had mostly blonde hair and blue eyes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Swedish_monarchs

Odd. I guess they have intermarried with the other European royal families though.

[ButlerKing]

Odd. I guess they have intermarried with the other European royal families though.


I'm guessing the blonde hair/ blue eyes swedish royal families come from local swedish women. There are many children who's father are dark skinned Southern European in type and mother is pale and blonde/blue eyes and their children end up looking like their mother.


Here is the youngest Ottoman descendant but their father look like some Middle eastern guy.


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