Living in self- sufficient communities, utopia or reality?.

Would you live in a self- sufficient community, based in subsistence agriculture?, or nowadays these economic units are non-viable, and you would prefer to orient the community effort to produce an exchangeable surplus?.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyHLtMJnlzQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roB8CO2Y6ko
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvbiPuDnR6k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB-AEpOtgzk

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Originally Posted by Jacques de Imbelloni

Would you live in a self- sufficient community, based in subsistence agriculture?, or nowadays these economic units are non-viable, and you would prefer to orient the community effort to produce an exchangeable surplus?.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyHLtMJnlzQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roB8CO2Y6ko
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvbiPuDnR6k

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gladly, if it was 100% european and rooted in traditional european values.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Frank Grimes

The problem with these communities tends to be some people work harder and/or are more efficient than others and yet everyone gets the same piece of the pie. It obviously creates resentment.

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he said self-sufficient communities, not communist ones.
and honestly, I've seen that difference in work effort not make a difference when I visit monasteries, so, I'd imagine when there's a white ethno-village it would be similar, everyone's love and gladness to be away from the mainstream society would overwhelm any rivalries.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Frank Grimes

The problem with these communities tends to be some people work harder and/or are more efficient than others and yet everyone gets the same piece of the pie. It obviously creates resentment.

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I guess it's depends of the group, in a hippie commune it's sure that some people would do all the work and some others are going to lay down and smoke pot all day. But in traditional societies age and gender roles are well established, and everybody has to do the same amount of job, like in a well functioning family.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Frank Grimes

In traditional societies there are people who are better workers than others. Doing the same amount of work doesn't mean the same amount of efficiency. I did speak of efficiency also. Anyway, this society sounds like it sucks major balls.

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I was trying to say the same amount of job, according with the age and the gender of each one.

Yes, I would strongly consider it. Post-Industrial society is often stifling to the human spirit.

it sounds like shit

purposely removing yourself from the latest technology and convenience (which is probably not even possible since it goes against a living things' nature), and the problem that frank grimes said which would create even more problems.

There is no need to abandon electricity or combustion engines to have a self sufficient agricultural community. the questions are, the production should be oriented to the subsistence or to the markets needs?, and how should the profit be distributed among the members?.

They say they got money from "rock stars," not self-sufficient.