What is to be done with Gaza?

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Originally Posted by Zeno

Then why did you destroy the Monastery of Saint Porphyrious?
Oh, and yesterday you persecuted the Armenians from their own quarter in the Old City of Jerusalem.

So, how are you professing to be the most tolerant country in terms of religion, when you're just now starting to persecute Christianity? Let alone bombing an entire Muslim population into oblivion.

So, how are you professing to be the safest

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So, taking money from Jews is fine, but your part of the deal, well, that's another story.
We know that drill already, you did the same thing to the EU rich countries, you took money from them but now you don't want to fill your part of the bargain.

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- https://www.timesofisrael.com/land-d...fear-eviction/

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Originally Posted by Zeno

So, in order for me to be worried, they have to come as refugees here?

You seriously don't take it into consideration that... Most of them don't want to leave Gaza? That they don't want to become refugees?

So, I can't be worried about their lives, with the prospect of the bombings ending and their lives going back to normal?

They have to be forced out of their own homeland? You do understand you sound a lot less humane than me in this case, don't you? And here I'm going to virtue signal indeed: wanting the conflict to end, without the people undergoing this being forced out of their homeland, is more virtuous than caring for them after being uprooted from their own homes.

You don't care enough while they're in their own homes?

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What about the Turks expelled from Greece in Lausanne Treaty, they wanted leave?

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Originally Posted by Florstadt

So, taking money from Jews is fine, but your part of the deal, well, that's another story.
We know that drill already, you did the same thing to the EU rich countries, you took money from them but now you don't want to fill your part of the bargain.

https://i.imgur.com/njBRIwe.png

- https://www.timesofisrael.com/land-d...fear-eviction/

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Yeah, you didn't have to fucking bomb it. Also, we are repaying our debts, as our debt-to-GDP ratio has been rapidly decreasing. And we have been given the investment grade by any credit rating agency up to this point for this exact reason: because we now fulfill our obligations. I'm asking once again: how is this related to your own, current actions?

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Originally Posted by Florstadt

What about the Turks expelled from Greece in Lausanne Treaty, they wanted leave?

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For God's sake, you keep deflecting out of sheer spastic reflexes at this point... They didn't want to leave. But guess what: the much more numerous Greeks in Anatolia didn't want to leave as well. And they didn't want to be genocided as well, especially in the Pontus. But again, guess another thing: the Lausanne Treaty was basically forced out by Ataturk. Because it was a treaty that established the Turkish state in the terms Kemal wanted.

Again: how on Earth is this related to you bombing Gaza at this very moment?

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Originally Posted by Zeno

Yeah, you didn't have to fucking bomb it. Also, we are repaying our debts, as our debt-to-GDP ratio has been rapidly decreasing. And we have been given the investment grade by any credit rating agency up to this point for this exact reason: because we now fulfill our obligations. I'm asking once again: how is this related to your own, current actions?



For God's sake, you keep deflecting out of sheer spastic reflexes at this point... They didn't want to leave. But guess what: the much more numerous Greeks in Anatolia didn't want to leave as well. And they didn't want to be genocided as well, especially in the Pontus. But again, guess another thing: the Lausanne Treaty was basically forced out by Ataturk. Because it was a treaty that established the Turkish state in the terms Kemal wanted.

Again: how on Earth is this related to you bombing Gaza at this very moment?

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I will help you understand because you probably having hard time doing so by yourself; killing civilians as collateral damage is sad, but if we have to choose between that option and self-annihilations of our people by sitting and looking to the sky doing nothing, we will choose the first option. Any sane nation would.
But as always, not the same moral applies for the nations and for the Jewish people / Israel.

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Originally Posted by Zeno

Yeah, you didn't have to fucking bomb it. Also, we are repaying our debts, as our debt-to-GDP ratio has been rapidly decreasing. And we have been given the investment grade by any credit rating agency up to this point for this exact reason: because we now fulfill our obligations. I'm asking once again: how is this related to your own, current actions.

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I guess you are among the people helping paying the debt and regaining the Greek honor, by sitting here most of the day and interfering in Middle East conflicts you know nothing about, and making a bad example of your people and nation.

There are decent and sane people in your government, blocking Gaza Flotila is an example of that, and there are young people like you making a spectacle of themselves in internet forums with false information, zero knowledge in Middle East politics and a picture of spongebob as an avatar.

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Originally Posted by Florstadt

I will help you understand because you probably having hard time doing so by yourself; killing civilians as collateral damage is sad, but if we have to choose between that option and self-annihilations of our people by sitting and looking to the sky doing nothing, we will choose the first option. Any sane nation would.
But as always, not the same moral applies for the nations and for the Jewish people / Israel.

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Thank you for finally being clear, that's all I wanted to hear :)

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Originally Posted by Florstadt

I guess you are among the people helping paying the debt and regaining the Greek honor, by sitting here most of the day and interfering in Middle East conflicts you know nothing about, and making a bad example of your people and nation.

There are decent and sane people in your government, blocking Gaza Flotila is an example of that, and there are young people like you making a spectacle of themselves in internet forums with false information, zero knowledge in Middle East politics and a picture of spongebob as an avatar.

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Our government is despised by the vast majority of the population, Mitsotakis has a nearly single-digit approval rating, so...

I wouldn't cite them as a bastion of credibility ;)

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Originally Posted by Zeno

Our government is despised by the vast majority of the population, Mitsotakis has a nearly single-digit approval rating, so...

I wouldn't cite them as a bastion of credibility ;)

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He received 39.85 percent of the vote. I believe that the majority of voters are mature adults with real responsibilities, rather than forum crybabies.

Gaza Flotila happened 13 years ago, when you were still playing with your first acne blisters and long before Mitsotakis was prime minister, it seems you were sleeping during history and civilienship classes even back then.

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Originally Posted by Zeno

So, in order for me to be worried, they have to come as refugees here?

You seriously don't take it into consideration that... Most of them don't want to leave Gaza? That they don't want to become refugees?

So, I can't be worried about their lives, with the prospect of the bombings ending and their lives going back to normal?

They have to be forced out of their own homeland? You do understand you sound a lot less humane than me in this case, don't you? And here I'm going to virtue signal indeed: wanting the conflict to end, without the people undergoing this being forced out of their homeland, is more virtuous than caring for them after being uprooted from their own homes.

You don't care enough while they're in their own homes?

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You have a problem with understanding what you read or you just intently twist and deflect my main point.

When people are forced to leave their homeland, it's important to respond with compassion. If you genuinely care about their well-being, extending a helping hand to them as refugees is a meaningful gesture. It's contradictory to label them as troublemakers while expressing concern for their lives. True care involves providing support, especially when they've been displaced against their will. Instead of openly rejecting them, showing empathy and offering accommodation reflects a more genuine compassion.

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Originally Posted by Florstadt

I am against Europeans with colonial mindset trying to fuck with the Middle East as it was their own land. Well, guess what, it is not yours anymore, stay the fuck out of our business.

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So then what are you? Guessing you are a Jew of European decent. I do not remember which famous German Jew it was, but there was one that went to Israel and commented on how arab-like the Israeli policemen looked. That mentality is also ingrained in you and a lot of Israelis. I have a moderate view of Israel-Palestine and acknowledge the reason for- and right of Israel existing. However creating an apartheid-like system in the west bank and a concentration-camp like system in Gaza whilst now bombing the shit out of them is just not something I can fully support.
I used to be a rightist nationalist and I can say that the ones I can see my old self in is off course western nationalists, but also Israelis (especially right wing ones). They despise Palestinians, see all of them as against them. Do not understand/ do not care at all about how or why Palestinians have a gripe with Jews and would not mind wiping out an entire people to keep their ethnonationalist nation. Also sees anyone slightly critical of them as against them.
I used to be more pro-Israel, but after what Israel has done in Gaza since oct. 7th I am becoming less and less pro-Israel. Israel needs to acknowledge the wrong they have inflicted Palestinians and work to build a truly independent Palestine with reasonable terms. Not expand and ethnically cleanse Palestinians.