Ancient human genomes suggest three ancestral populations for present-day Europeans(Lazaridis 2013)

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Originally Posted by Jackson

So we have robust, dark haired and probably olive skinned and light eyed (also many had medium and dark eyes too i guess) Mesolithic hunter-gatherers and lighter-skinned, more gracile dark haired and dark eyed farmers so far, from a physical perspective.

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That's quite the opposite to the previous imaginations of Mesolithic hunters-gatherers as a very light-pigmented individuals(only a robustness is undeniable). So how the light pigmentation spread? That's the question.

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Originally Posted by safinator

The top greatest and least 5 modern population hits for each of the ancestral components.

European Early Farmer (EEF)



Western Hunter-Gatherers (WHG)



Ancient North Eurasian (ANE)

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Jews are pretty well represented on all the ancient European types.

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Originally Posted by Artek

That's quite the opposite to the previous imaginations of Mesolithic hunters-gatherers as a very light-pigmented individuals(only a robustness is undeniable). So how the light pigmentation spread? That's the question.

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It could be something to do with that ANE component, or maybe a later development that just happened to coincide with areas that were already high in blue eyes? From what i remember in most places light hair correlates very well with light eyes, and not so well with dark eyes, and vice-versa - at least in central-northern Europe (the ratio is probably a bit different in the British Isles, where there's more/the same light eyes but also more dark hair):
http://www.haar-und-psychologie.de/h...itzerland.html

Either that or we just haven't found any hunter-gatherers yet that had light hair - the Hunter-Gatherer does have slightly more chance for light hair than the farmer, but it's negligible in both. So i'd guess it was something later.

So i'm envisioning lots of Sebastian Chebals kicking around in old Europe.

In terms of genetics, it's surprising that the Scots have almost as much ANE as the Estonians, although the Estonians being overall lowest in EEF contribution is not surprising i guess. Things emanating from the south and south-east always seem to get to north-east Europe last, like Christianity as well as farming, and of course the Roman Empire never got there either.

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Originally Posted by Anglojew

Jews are pretty well represented on all the ancient European types.

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They seem to be good examples of old Neolithic Farmers, along with Maltese and Sicilians, which is interesting.

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Originally Posted by Jackson

They seem to be good examples of old Neolithic Farmers, along with Maltese and Sicilians, which is interesting.

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Yes. Unexpected in some ways.

I don't know if anyone missed that, but for those who have, on the last page of the following supplement there are results for each population, results based on this three ancestreal groups.

http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/s...1/001552-1.pdf

Edit: I see Argang posted results already

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Originally Posted by Jackson

They seem to be good examples of old Neolithic Farmers, along with Maltese and Sicilians, which is interesting.

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How can they and other "~99% EEF populations" be by percentage wise the most similar to early farmers if they don't cluster with them!? It is probably due to program who has three options and doesn't know where to put where properly so gives the nearest results. I could be wrong though.

Regarding your last post on the second page about coloring, is that mentioned in the third supplmentary data Artek posted?
Can you point me to the page if so?

Sicilians, Maltese etc are apparently poor fits in the three-way model and thus give misleading results. Ignoring them, Sardinians are most "farmer" as previous studies, genome bloggers etc. have suggested for a long time.

http://oi41.tinypic.com/s5gvpk.jpg

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Originally Posted by Artek

That's quite the opposite to the previous imaginations of Mesolithic hunters-gatherers as a very light-pigmented individuals(only a robustness is undeniable).

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If by previous, you mean roughly a century ago...

Let's be honest, those representations exist primarily on anthroforums and in the books of early 20th century, moustache-twirling armchair anthropologists who wanted their pasty-faced likeness to be the pinnacle of human ascendency.

Past 5,000 years ago, swarthoids were predominate in the European population and the world.

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Originally Posted by Solin

How can they and other "~99% EEF populations" be by percentage wise the most similar to early farmers if they don't cluster with them!? It is probably due to program who has three options and doesn't know where to put where properly so gives the nearest results. I could be wrong though.

Regarding your last post on the second page about coloring, is that mentioned in the third supplmentary data Artek posted?
Can you point me to the page if so?

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Read Argang's post, he corrected me there.

Yeah it's in the supplementary data afaik. Both had dark brown hair, the farmer had brown eyes, hunter had blue or light eyes, and the farmer had lighter skin than the hunter-gatherer.