science and scientist have been bastardized in our era, they are forced to reject realities in front of their faces because their new faith of woke-ism demands them do soQuote:
Originally Posted by LoLeL
science and scientist have been bastardized in our era, they are forced to reject realities in front of their faces because their new faith of woke-ism demands them do soQuote:
Originally Posted by LoLeL
The OP is hardly revolutionary.
Point 1. The genetic variation we describe by our racial classifications does indeed fit the categories of race that we know of today. Europeans cluster by themselves. MENA peoples are close, but distinct. Asians cluster by themselves, South Asians by themselves, Africans and Amerindians, etc. There isn't really any overlap between these groups, other than obviously transitional groups.
Point 2. Who cares? Most people aren't suggesting that the races are analogous to species. The differences exist in spite of their relative insignificance.
Point 3. Again, who cares? The races we refer to exist today, A.D. 2021. What made them up in times past is irrelevant.
Point 4. Yet again, who cares? Only Christian Identity people and maybe evolutionists will have difficulty with the fact that all human beings are related. Amerindians are visibly and genetically different from Europeans, even if they share a "mother" 3000 years ago.
Point 5. Continents influence gene flow enormously. So not surprisingly, genetic clusters follow continental boundaries for the most part. Again, the races - Caucasoid, Negroid, Mongoloid, Australoid - are genetically distinct and, not coincidentally, their clusters correlate with the continents.
I believe race exists but it is not clinical fully but there is lots of overlap even between the most distinct groups for example distinct people such as westafricans are fast runners but it is not impossible that a small number of whites or asians outdo them. I guess you know what I mean. To me race exists I'm aware of my race ie euroasian in the broader sense or western and southern euroasian hybrid in a narrower sense but those are large groups and descriptive to me as if I'm saying I'm a human or primate it is part of the identity but to me on third place there are other things more important to me now some will disagree who put race first but I accept their opinions too free speech...
Trying to find species level of differences to disprove there are racial differences, is really a bizarre way of reasoning. Europeans are not "mixed races", nobody in Europe is between West Eurasians and Africans, or between West Eurasians and East Asians/Oceanians.
If other parts of the world were as studied we would found as much ancestral groups contributing to the genesis of those groups, and likely more of them, even likely more divergent/archaic (many putative ghost archaic pop in Africa and Oceania are predicted to be found). Even ff we were to study Japanese extensively, we would find as much of their local palo-meso-neo-BA component or whatever was the way they formed after the ENA split. Other parts of the world are just trailing behind when it comes to genetics for several reasons.
As a matter of fact
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Only NA/MENA and India can be deemed as mixed race to varying degrees. One with SSA, one with Oceanians mainly.
Humanity has evolved more in the last 10,000 years than it has in the last 100,000 years. The White race emerged approximately 12,000 years ago. At the same period the Whites emerged humanity started evolving rapidly. We can pretend that's just a coincidence, but someone will have to explain to me why the vast majority of scientists who created and innovated new technologies were Whites.
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Originally Posted by Petalpusher
What do you think of my opinion? I think my opinion is moderateQuote:
Originally Posted by LittleDarkAge
I don't disagree with what you said. Race can exist, you don't have to put it first and in general you can treat people individually. No mutually exclusives ideas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mortimer
Why are humans often called a race (ie "human race"), when humans are a species?
In the past it wasn't uncommon to talk about the English race, the German race or even the Christian race, so I don't understand why some freak out at the mere term "race". Genetic differences between different groups of people are demonstrable and stating this fact has nothing to do with being left or right-wing or anything like that. The Bengali tiger differs from the Siberian tiger even though both are tigers, not leopards or lions. It's not a controversial thing to say.
Besides, if we're all the same, why does "diversity" matter? Who cares about skin color?
Looks like race doesn't exist until the white one is to blame for something...
south europeans have natufian, iran_N, iberomaurusian and in some cases even ssa admixture if that's not mixed i don't know what it is ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Petalpusher
also what about ANE ancestry among europeans ? WHG, ENF and Steppe people were very different from each other btw.