Well, do you? :)
In either case, why do or don't you believe?
What I'm talking about specifically here are the UFO's of otherworldly origins.
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Well, do you? :)
In either case, why do or don't you believe?
What I'm talking about specifically here are the UFO's of otherworldly origins.
No I don't personally believe the UFOs people see are different life forms. I think most of them are military aircrafts. There's so much going on in the sky that the governments keep hidden its unnerving..
I do have an open mind towards life on other planets though, I think thats plausible. I just think they have better things to do than spy on us, even if they have that kind of technology.
Some of the objects seen flying over New Mexico were most likely stealth fighters before they had been revealed to the general public. I see some of the articles on UFOs over at Rense, but usually do not read them. One conspiracy theory is the use of holograms.
There have been far too many reports from reasonable and believable individuals (military officials, pilots, police, etc.), many of whom report these sightings in groups, for the phenomena to be dismissed entirely. However, I think it's far more likely that what is being observed, both in the cases of "flying saucer" sightings and in "alien abductions" is something that is beyond the comprehension of our minds rather than taking the experiences at face value. I agree with UFO researcher Jacques Vallée that the different alien related phenomena are a modern interpretation of the same experience that was in older times described as being taken away to fairy land. In both examples, the true experience is probably not what the experiencer sees, but is what the mind presents to cover up that with which it is incapable of dealing with.
But isn't that how the mind processes all experience?
Anyways, as for UFO sightings, they follow a preset story line so frequently and so easily that I believe they are a psychological phenomenon induced by normal but under-researched atmospheric and electrical phenomena.
Jung's essay on UFOs as an artifact of the collective unconscious of a people at a particular historical moment was, I think, on the right track.
Yes, but when Dr. Strassman was testing out DMT (a hallucinogen that our brain produces) on human subjects, something like 50% of subjects experienced something very similar to an "alien abduction." This would lead me to believe that when these experiences do occur, our brains are, for whatever reason, dumping DMT into our systems. The only thing that makes me think we're dealing with some kind of objective phenomena rather than individual hallucinations is that so many of these are shared "hallucinations."
I instinctively answered "no" in the poll but after I had clicked the button I stopped for a second. My official standpoint is "no" but my imagination is open for the possibility if you know what I mean?
They are often mistaken for weather ballons in every report.
YES, I do believe in some extratterial life, we live, so why not another form that we have not discovered yet ?
I said yes because I believe in the possibility of there being other beings in the Universe of which we aren't aware. There could also be other solar systems besides this one.
But then again, I also believe there is a restaurant at the very end of it... :D
Yes. But how many of them are of this realm and - as Psychonaut said - how many are the modern manifestation of entities from another realm, I don't know.
Random thought of the day;
Are these are gods and goddesses, are they the spirits of the world, Why do they have to be alien?
I want to believe:D
This is just a thought on my part, a hunch nothing really to back it up 100% since I'm a novice when it comes to studying Germanic mythos and pseudoscience:
I have a suspicion that UFO's and the sort are signs from the other worlds mentioned in the Edda's, I think of all the galaxies as all the clusters/buds, leaves, whatever within the branches of Yggdrasil, each cluster contains life, worlds, indipendant galaxies containing life which we cannot understand for it is not on our plain of existence, and traveling along the branches of Yggdrasil via space travel is the equivalent of traveling through time/the fourth dimension, the deeper into space you go the deeper into time you go, and within Yggdrasil I believe are the branches of the whole life of the universe, all the possibilities all the outcomes all the present events all the past events and future events, and therefore Yggdrasil would be connected to the fates being attributed with past, present, and future, and the fact that there are 3 fates and 3 wells that water Yggdrasil, I believe that when a UFO is seen or an "alien" not of this world one is seeing the alternate persona's of ourselves/our existence or another mythical being that has travelled to Midgard like in the days of old but in our modern times we interpret these visits differently since the mass majority as a whole is not familiar with the mythos of old, and with the growth/expansion of the universe goes the growth of Yggdrasil.
Addition:
and the Dwarves in the Eddas supposedly made "special crafts from special metals/elements not of Midgard/Earth" if I'm not mistaken special metals+special crafts = UFO = Dwarves = Aliens, we really don't know what they meant by "craft"
I've seen UFOs so of course I believe in them. They tend to remain identified unless I remember to bring binoculars and a field guide.
I saw several bright lights in the sky while driving one night.
My employer said that I could file for workman's comp if I had been probed during the encounter.
The problem is that we, rational people who believe in UFO/extraterrial life are often discredited by idiots who mistake plane for UFO etc. I wish we could be taken seriously.
Me and my mum saw one, so I believe in them, but have no idea what they are.
As a matter of fact, I have once seen an Unidentified Flying Object.
A couple of years ago, in wintertime, I was about to walk under a bridge. On the bridge there were some Somali scum who threw something that seemed to be aimed at my head. It missed and buried itself into a snowbank before I saw what it actually was; a rock, a lump of ice, a snowball, a bottle, etc. It was flying, and I didn't know what it was, therefore it was an UFO. :p
But as for UFO's in the sense of "spacecraft constructed by intelligent beings of extraterrestrial origin", which is what this thread is about ...
Do I believe they exist? Sure I do, somewhere.
Have they visited Earth? Maybe, but if they have there's not a single shred of credible evidence of it. Not one clear photo or video recording, not a single object unmistakable made on another planet, not a single used UFO battery, not a single intergalactic chocolate bar wrapper, not a single discarded alien condom left behind by those "sex on exotic planets" freaks, not a single anything.
Not so much in UFOs and little gray people, or any other easily recognizable form of life.
I am thinking there must be other forms of life, in other planets or other dimensions, they could be anything and we're not necessarily aware of them.
http://miscellany.lolthulhu.com/wp-c...lotl-treez.jpg
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The observable universe it at least 93 billion light years in diameter. It is likely that the galaxies within our visible universe represent only a minuscule fraction of the galaxies in the universe. This universe contains more than 80 billion galaxies, each of which contain from ten million to one trillion stars.
To think that life only evolved on earth, and nowhere else, is a ridiculous thought that can only be justified if one is religious and believe that God created us as the centre of the universe.
Considering mathematical probabilities, life would have had millions of other opportunities to evolve in this vast expanse of trillions upon trillions of stars. Even in our own "small" solar system, there is evidence pointing to life elsewhere. In fact, there is a possibility that the building blocks of life on earth could have come from outer space via meteorites.
Whether intelligent extraterrestrial life had opportunity and the ability to reach earth, is another question, and far less likely.
I'm not really sure in this matter....
I'm more interested in researching the paranormal things that happen on this planet than considering the possibility of MORE paranormal stuff happening on others, if you get my drift....
I had initially decided not to post on this thread because Psychonaut had already posted and his views were a fair approximation of my own. I didn't wish to be redundant. Then I clicked back on and Loki's post made me wish to add something. At the risk of being redundant:
Regarding the existence of "life" other than on Earth, I agree with the above post. The mathematical probabilities are almost too great to defy the possibilities, especially when one considers "possibility" in terms of the latest String or "M"-theory hypotheses concerning the multiple layer "structure" of the Universe.
The section highlighted in bold is particularly significant to my thoughts. I don't totally discount the possibility of advanced biological beings coming to Earth by physically traveling vast gulfs of interstellar space in our own essential experience of "Time"; however, the probabilities involved would seem to suggest that something else is at play here (at least in our own dimension, as others may exist). That's why I'm more prone to think that the ET experience is more likely the result of some sort of Time/Space/dimensional "warping". I think entities are coming here, I just think they're probably coming here from somewhere other than where the conventional mechanical physics theories of some Ufologists would suggest. I somewhat like the idea of "ultra-terrestrials" put forth by authors such as John Keel.
I think that our current faculties are somewhat unable to process this "phenomena" (in the Kantian sense) that we receive from the entities in question, and thus we are left with incomplete perceptions and impressions of the experience. The mind must make some sense of this, and thus we "package" the experience in a way that is interpretable and meaningful to us. For a lot of people in the modern empirical/technological age, this explanation "means" that some kind of superior technology is responsible as a rationalization for the encounter (and in a sense, they may be right). Thus, many of us "see" mechanical spacecraft and biological beings. In some cases, perhaps the beings have accumulated enough material "weight" to actually have physical substance. In other times, when mankind had a different relationship to the world around him, perhaps similar experiences were interpreted as the "fairy-tales" that Psycho had mentioned. I don't know. I might be nuts too.
According to Paul Horowitz of Harvard University, there should be "at least one radio transmitting civilisation within 1000 light-years of the sun", which should give us roughly 1000 civilisations in our galaxy alone.
In our galaxy alone there could have been up to 12 billion civilisations over the course of 12 billion years according to certain formation rates.
I read an interesting article by Ian Crawford in Scientific American a while ago, that covered the possibilities of 'alien civilisations' according to Fermi's_paradox.
Quote:
"There are only four conceivable ways of reconciling the absence of ETs with the widely held view that advanced civilisations are common.
Perhaps interstellar space-flight is infeasible, in which case ETs could never have come here even if they wanted to.
Perhaps ET civilisations are indeed actively exploring the galaxy but have not reached us yet. Perhaps interstellar travel is feasible, but ETs choose not to undertake it. Or perhaps the ETs have been, or still are, active in Earth's vicinity but have decided not to interfere with us.
If we can eliminate each of these explanations of the Fermi Paradox, we will have to face the possibility that we are the most advanced life-forms in the galaxy.
The first explanation clearly fails. No known principle of physics or engineering rules out interstellar space-flight.
Even if these early days of the space age, engineers have envisaged propulsion strategies that might reach 10 to 20 percent of the speed of light, thereby permitting travel to nearby stars in a matter of decades."
For the same reason, the second explanation is problematic as well. Any civilisation with advanced rocket technology would be able to colonize the entire Galaxy on a cosmically short timescale.
For example, consider a civilisation that sends colonists to a few of the planetary systems closest to it. After those colonies have established themselves, they send out secondary colonies of their own, and so on.
The number of colonies grows exponentially. A colonisation wave front will move outward with a speed determined by the speed of the starships and by the time required by each colony to establish itself.
New settlements will quickly fill in this volume of space behind this wave front.
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Scientific American, July 2000
Me too, near enough. I couldn't really click either poll option because of it.
Aye, and in the intermediate period - have you ever read about the 'scareships'? Our concept of 'futuristic' technology shift with time...Quote:
In other times, when mankind had a different relationship to the world around him, perhaps similar experiences were interpreted as the "fairy-tales" that Psycho had mentioned. I don't know. I might be nuts too.
I doubt that simians will rule earth for a long time to come. In all probability humans would face extinction over the next few hundred thousand years by way of natural disaster like the dinosaurs. I think we've been very lucky to get so far and to rule the planet. We are hardly the most pleasant beasts ... and that is probably why we have been so successful.
If there is extraterrestrial intelligent life, maybe advanced dolphins would one day make contact with them. :coffee:
I really wasn't sure which way to go either. I ended up going with "Yes".
If you're referring to the rash of sightings over America and Europe at the turn of the 19th century, yes-a little. Very interesting when considered in relation to 'futuristic' technology shift. Especially when viewed in the contemporary paradigm of the late 19th-early 20th centuries. Have you ever read anything specifically about that?
If it's not already been said, there almost certainly have been/will be other inteligent life that we could recognise. But would they exist at the same time as us? our planet is about 3.6billion years old but we have only bee capable of receiving signals for about 100 years, our planet and sun are not one of the first generation either.
Even if a society did form and was transmitting now, we would not be about to receive the signals by the time they reached us. What is the lifespan of a technologically advanced civilisation?
No. I believe all the 'unidentified flying object-reports' can be explained when investigated.
I would bet that the more exposure this phenomenon is given in the media, the more 'incidents' will be reported.
However, I do believe that life exists elsewhere in the universe. It's seems like such waste of space if not...:)
I answered the poll before reading the first post. I believe in UFOs but I'm not convinced they are of otherworlds - or if they are those worlds may be connected to our own.
Living in Arizona I have seen odd objects in the nightsky & know persons who have sworn to have seen even weirder things. Much of southern Arizona is uninhabited desert used as an airforce bombing range. Perfect for testing experimental aircraft, just like Nevada. So I think much of what people see in the sky is actually secret aircraft being tested by the military. While I'm at it I have also seen Black Helicopters in Arizona - doing nothing menacing but there is the sky with no markings. I don't know why black helicopter sightings are ridiculed, it's not as though there is some sort of physical imposiblity to a black helicopter. Sightings of a BH brings more ridicule then those of UFOs.
Some of the UFOs spotted could be from our future.. or past. I say our future or past referring to our reference of time. Space travel to other planets suitable for habitation would take thousands, millions or billions of years to complete. Time travel would be the only feasible way to travel across the galaxy. Also, in refering to our point-of-view of time: In the same way that 12:00AM March 16, 2009 will not occure at the same time in Sydney, London or Los Angeles (as a matter-of-fact it is already March 16 in Sydney) March 16, 2009 may have happen thousands or millions of years ago in some solar systems & may not happen for thousands or millions of more years in other solar systems. Some of us may have descendents 50-generations removed from us who lived & died thousands (or millions) of years ago according to our position in the galactic clock. Those aliens piloting the extraterrestrial spacecraft might well be our descendents - or their bio-robotic slaves - who intentionally or inadvertantly traveled into the wrong time frame.
I'm waiting with bated breath for us to explore the oceans that lie beneath te surface of Europa. If the second model below is correct, the chances that life could've evolved there are pretty good.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...aInterior1.jpg
Freak yourself out:
Go to Google Earth and enter these coordinates in the "Fly To" search:
37°37'41.05"N, 116°50'54.38"W
WTF is that??? :confused:
I most certainly do believe in life on other planets, but these U.F.O. "sightings" I believe are so much hype.If extraterrestrial life forms were that close to Earth, we would've been contacted by now.Overtly.All this glimpsing something, or sensing something..bah!Too damned subjective and far too cryptic to be credible.
The triangle measures 3/4 of a miles on each side. I would say it is someone having fun. It would appear to be part of Nellis AF Base. Maybe a landmark to help pilots navigate visually in case their navigation equipment fails. Even military types can have a sense of humor.
On the above map I marked were the triangle is. And if you move outward & look over to the west you can see some addition straight lines, forming a triangle, & arced lines, several miles long.
There is always the possibility that Nellis AFB is a intergalatic spaceport.:levitate:
No.
Yes,Lady Lyfing , Aemma,Absinthe,Fjällräv and all the women in this forum.
Geez they have me balled:D:D:D
I believe people believe they have seen and/or experienced a phenomenon they cannot understand, the human mind isn’t the most reliable device in nature and is easily baffled. We are only just beginning to understand how our minds work.
From a rational point of view I don’t accept that UFO’s are of extraterrestrial origin. Whilst humanity being the only sentient life isn’t impossible, statistically it is improbable. However I tend to support the theory that whilst life may be common, intelligence is incredibly rare, and civilisations that have survived long enough to develop and support FTL (which is the only logical basis I can see for the extraterrestrial hypothesis) even rarer still. There fore it is improbable that extraterrestrial intelligence would be visiting earth on any routine basis. Add to that the point that most scientists involved in various SETI like programmes make the assumption that aliens would have some form of mathematics and, presumably, be able to think in an analytical fashion, one has to wonder at the illogical nature of many UFO sightings, chip shops and fields full of cows would, presumably, not be worth the attention of an interstellar civilisation or it’s resources….
Another aspect is the human appearance of most of these “aliens” the probability of humanoid life evolving on another world is low to the point of impossible. Interestingly enough experiments with LSD and other psychotropic drugs have induced hallucinations of beings like “Greys” in test subjects, one could, perhaps, see Jungian archetypes at play here, where once people saw fairies now they see little green men….
Yes, because my mother and me once (along with some other people) saw one...
No it was not a plane nor a simple light; the movements challenged the law of gravity, and I easily noticed the metal-like composition of its surface and the circular coloured lights. :mmmm::blink:
Do I believe in UFO's ? Yes. I believe that some objects that are currently used in military tests are unknown to the public (and are kept that way by the government).
Do I believe in ET's "weapons inspections" on planet Earth then the answer is most definitely NO.
There you have said it, ....luck.... Indeed we have been lucky, we have evolved on a planet with one moon to give us tides, with out them we would not have evolved, then there is the Earths orbit around the sun, not too near and yet not too far away from it, with an eliptical orbit to give us our seasons, just right..what luck.
Then there is the luck of having super sized planets in our solar system, their huge gravities pulling in huge asteroids that would threaten the Earth.
Luck...and yes we keep having luck by surviving all that has threatened us in the past.
So what, even if there were life forms in a distant Galaxy we will never know, the life form may be on a planet that is twice or three times the size of Earth, so on that note the life form would be very different to what we could ever imagine.
My truthful answer to Aliens is this, maybe somewhere out in the vastness there is life forms, but i think Earth will never be visited by any of them in it's life time.