B-but they are Levantines not Arabs :cry2Quote:
Originally Posted by Anatolian Stallion
B-but they are Levantines not Arabs :cry2Quote:
Originally Posted by Anatolian Stallion
Levantine is just a geographical term not ethnic. This term has only in Apricitiy its validity. They are Arabs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wadaad
I know your being Sarcastic, but no, I'm not ashamed in identifying myself as such, and Arabians are culturally and genetically WAY more closer to other Semites in northern middle east than Mongols to Turks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wadaad
Lol. Turks never been close to Mongols which is a totally different ethnicity. Use right terms Arab. (oh sorry levantine) Don't make me mad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilgamesh900
Really? Aren't Mongols and Turkic peoples are related to one another? Oh, im very sorry, did i make a Turanist turk feel bad? Turkic peoples lay their origins somewhere in Mongolia, and modern day Turks are genetically far closer to their so called enemies in west Asia than to Kazakhs, Uzbeks and etc. Unlike you, im not ashamed to be an Arab, but genetically im far more closer to other Levantine peoples like the Druze, Samaritans and etc than to Arabians though i do have some Bedouin admixture as well:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ölüezgi
Eurogenes K36 Admixture Proportions
This utility uses the Eurogenes K36 model, created by Davidski (Polako). Questions and comments about this model
should be directed to him at his Eurogenes Genetic Ancestry Project blog.
Kit Number: FM10243 Iteration: 1000 Delta-Q: 6.089577e+00 Elapsed Time: 162.35 seconds
Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 12.39%
Armenian 6.83%
Basque 1.42%
Central_African -
Central_Euro -
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 0.87%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med 22.62%
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian -
French -
Iberian 0.71%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 6.42%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 22.51%
North_African 3.78%
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian 5.59%
North_Sea -
Northeast_African 3.16%
Oceanian 0.18%
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 5.80%
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 4.89%
West_Med 2.81%
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Jtest:
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...l900/Jtest.png
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 EAST_MED 37.86
2 MIDDLE_EASTERN 20.16
3 WEST_ASIAN 16.48
4 WEST_MED 9.35
5 ASHKENAZI 5.79
6 SOUTH_ASIAN 3.05
7 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 3.03
8 EAST_AFRICAN 2.40
Finished reading population data. 78 populations found.
14 components mode.
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Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 IQ @ 9.036242
2 Samaritan @ 10.631749
3 Mandean @ 12.283883
4 Assyrian @ 14.162012
5 Druze @ 16.881546
6 TR @ 20.019768
7 Armenian @ 20.325636
8 GR @ 20.854652
9 South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 21.452969
10 Kurdish @ 22.171505
11 IR @ 23.337337
12 AJ @ 33.862679
13 Algerian @ 34.521378
14 Tuscan @ 34.832615
15 GE @ 39.569893
16 Moroccan @ 39.832100
17 North_Italian @ 40.269737
18 RO @ 40.605133
19 Bedouin @ 42.347263
20 Serbian @ 42.383530
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Mandean +50% Samaritan @ 6.080221
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% IQ +25% Samaritan +25% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 4.444737
Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Algerian + Druze + Mandean + Mandean @ 3.097530
2 Algerian + Assyrian + Druze + Mandean @ 3.306703
3 IQ + Samaritan + Samaritan + TR @ 3.523220
4 IQ + Mandean + Samaritan + South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 3.805326
5 Algerian + Assyrian + Assyrian + Druze @ 4.076247
6 Mandean + Samaritan + Samaritan + South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 4.132244
7 GR + IQ + IQ + Samaritan @ 4.153470
8 GR + IQ + Mandean + Samaritan @ 4.191198
9 Druze + Mandean + Mandean + Moroccan @ 4.198832
10 Algerian + Assyrian + Druze + IQ @ 4.250764
11 Armenian + IQ + Samaritan + Samaritan @ 4.343150
12 Assyrian + IQ + Samaritan + South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 4.424001
13 IQ + IQ + Samaritan + South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 4.444737
14 Algerian + Druze + Kurdish + Samaritan @ 4.522501
15 Armenian + Bedouin + Druze + GR @ 4.560217
16 Algerian + Armenian + Druze + Mandean @ 4.646822
17 GR + Mandean + Samaritan + Samaritan @ 4.654131
18 Druze + IQ + IQ + South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 4.663242
19 Algerian + Druze + IQ + Mandean @ 4.679577
20 GR + IQ + Samaritan + Samaritan @ 4.680312
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Originally Posted by Ölüezgi
So must be connection, why we Turks dominated the Middle East in the last 1200 years.Quote:
Mongolia is ranked fifth in the world on National IQ score list.
Here the countries are ranked highest to lowest by their national IQ score.
Rank country percent
1. Singapore 108
2. South Korea 106
3. Japan 105
4. Italy 102
5. Iceland 101
5. Mongolia 101
6. Switzerland 101
7. Austria 100
7. China 100
7. Luxembourg 100
7. Netherlands 100
7. Norway 100
7. United Kingdom 100
8. Belgium 99
8. Canada 99
8. Estonia 99
8. Finland 99
8. Germany 99
8. New Zealand 99
8. Poland 99
8. Sweden 99
9. Andorra 98
9. Australia 98
9. Czech Republic 98
9. Denmark 98
9. France 98
Thanks god, that we are not descended from this region.
We are the only ethnic group in West Asia, which have their roots in Central Asia. And it shows in our success in this region.
No they are not. where did you get that conclusion?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilgamesh900
This is also wrong. Turkic urheimat located in Western siberia, not in today's Mongolia. Besides, Mongols were living in far more east than their current location.Quote:
Oh, im very sorry, did i make a Turanist turk feel bad? Turkic peoples lay their origins somewhere in Mongolia,
You still can't learn not to generalize Turks. Their genetics are depending on region to region.Quote:
and modern day Turks are genetically far closer to their so called enemies in west Asia than to Kazakhs, Uzbeks and etc.
This killed me. I don't have any Arab ancestry. If you have some drop of Sarmatian blood (which I doubt) it is probably shifted by rape.Quote:
Unlike you, im not ashamed to be an Arab, but genetically im far more closer to other Levantine peoples like the Druze, Samaritans and etc than to Arabians though i do have some Bedouin admixture as well:
Success, eh? What domination exactly are you talking about? The Seljuks were heavily persianized in their culture, language and etc, and the Safawid empire were mostly of indegenious middle eastern stock(iranic) with some Turkic elements in their culture:Quote:
Originally Posted by Anatolian Stallion
"In the pre-Safavid written work Safvat as-Safa (oldest manuscripts from 1485 and 1491), the origin of the Safavids is tracted to Piruz Shah Zarin Kolah who is called a Kurd from Sanjan, while in the post-Safavid manuscripts, this portion has been excised and Piruz Shah Zarin Kollah is made a descendant of the Imams. R Savory, "Ebn Bazzaz" in Encyclopædia Iranica). In the Silsilat an-nasab-i Safawiya (composed during the reign of Shah Suleiman, 1667–94), by Hussayn ibn Abdal Zahedi, the ancestry of the Safavid was purported to be tracing back to Hijaz and the first Shi'i Imam as follows: Shaykh Safi al-din Abul Fatah Eshaq ibn (son of) Shaykh Amin al-Din Jabrail ibn Qutb al-din ibn Salih ibn Muhammad al-Hafez ibn Awad ibn Firuz Shah Zarin Kulah ibn Majd ibn Sharafshah ibn Muhammad ibn Hasan ibn Seyyed Muhammad ibn Ibrahim ibn Seyyed Ja'afar ibn Seyyed Muhammad ibn Seyyed Isma'il ibn Seyyed Muhammad ibn Seyyed Ahmad 'Arabi ibn Seyyed Qasim ibn Seyyed Abul Qasim Hamzah ibn Musa al-Kazim ibn Ja'far As-Sadiq ibn Muhammad al-Baqir ibn Imam Zayn ul-'Abedin ibn Hussein ibn Ali ibn Abi Taleb Alayha as-Salam. There are differences between this and the oldest manuscript of Safwat as-Safa. Seyyeds have been added from Piruz Shah Zarin Kulah up to the first Shi'i Imam and the nisba "Al-Kurdi" has been excised. The title/name "Abu Bakr" (also the name of the first Caliph and highly regarded by Sunnis) is deleted from Qutb ad-Din's name. ُSource: Husayn ibn Abdāl Zāhedī, 17th cent. Silsilat al-nasab-i Safavīyah, nasabnāmah-'i pādishāhān bā ʻuzmat-i Safavī, ta'līf-i Shaykh Husayn pisar-i Shaykh Abdāl Pīrzādah Zāhedī dar 'ahd-i Shāh-i Sulaymnān-i Safavī. Berlīn, Chāpkhānah-'i Īrānshahr, 1343 (1924), 116 pp. Original Persian: شیخ صفی الدین ابو الفتح اسحق ابن شیخ امین الدین جبرائیل بن قطب الدین ابن صالح ابن محمد الحافظ ابن عوض ابن فیروزشاه زرین کلاه ابن محمد ابن شرفشاه ابن محمد ابن حسن ابن سید محمد ابن ابراهیم ابن سید جعفر بن سید محمد ابن سید اسمعیل بن سید محمد بن سید احمد اعرابی بن سید قاسم بن سید ابو القاسم حمزه بن موسی الکاظم ابن جعفر الصادق ابن محمد الباقر ابن امام زین العابدین بن حسین ابن علی ابن ابی طالب علیه السلام."
"But the origins of the family of Shaykh Safi al-Din go back not to Hijaz but to Kurdistan, from where, seven generations before him, Firuz Shah Zarin-kulah had migrated to Adharbayjan"
F. Daftary, "Intellectual Traditions in Islam", I.B.Tauris, 2001. p. 14
"From the evidence available at the present time, it is certain that the Safavid family was of indigineous Iranian stock, and not of Turkish ancestry as it is sometimes claimed. It is probable that the family originated in Persian Kurdistan, and later moved to Azerbaijan, where they adopted the Azari form of Turkish spoken there, and eventually settled in the small town of Ardabil sometimes during the eleventh century."
Roger M. Savory. "Safavids" in Peter Burke, Irfan Habib, Halil İnalcık: History of Humanity-Scientific and Cultural Development: From the Sixteenth to the Eighteenth Century, Taylor & Francis. 1999, p. 259.
"After 907/1502, Adharbayjan became the chielf bulwark and rallying ground of the Safawids, themselves natives of Ardabil and originally speaking the local Iranian dialect"
Minorsky, V (2009). "Adgharbaydjan (Azarbaydjan)". In Berman, P; Bianquis, Th; Bosworth, CE; van Donzel, E; Henrichs, WP. Encyclopedia of Islam (2nd ed.).
"Safavid power with its distinctive Persian-Shi'i culture, however, remained a middle ground between its two mighty Turkish neighbors. The Safavid state, which lasted at least until 1722, was essentially a "Turkish" dynasty, with Azeri Turkish (Azerbaijan being the family's home base) as the language of the rulers and the court as well as the Qizilbash military establishment. Shah Ismail wrote poetry in Turkish. The administration nevertheless was Persian, and the Persian language was the vehicle of diplomatic correspondence (insha'), of belles-lettres (adab), and of history (tarikh)."
Mazzaoui, Michel B; Canfield, Robert (2002). "Islamic Culture and Literature in Iran and Central Asia in the early modern period". Turko-Persia in Historical Perspective. Cambridge University Press. pp. 86–7.
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Seljuks:
Aḥmad of Niǧde's al-Walad al-Shafīq and the Seljuk Past", A. C. S. Peacock, Anatolian Studies, Vol. 54, (2004), 97; "With the growth of Seljuk power in Rum, a more highly developed Muslim cultural life, based on the Persianate culture of the Great Seljuk court, was able to take root in Anatolia."
Meisami, Julie Scott, Persian Historiography to the End of the Twelfth Century, (Edinburgh University Press, 1999), 143; "Nizam al-Mulk also attempted to organise the Saljuq administration according to the Persianate Ghaznavid model..."
Encyclopaedia Iranica, "Šahrbānu", Online Edition: "... here one might bear in mind that non-Persian dynasties such as the Ghaznavids, Saljuqs and Ilkhanids were rapidly to adopt the Persian language and have their origins traced back to the ancient kings of Persia rather than to Turkmen heroes or Muslim saints ..."
Josef W. Meri, Medieval Islamic Civilization: An Encyclopedia, Routledge, 2005, p. 399
Michael Mandelbaum, Central Asia and the World, Council on Foreign Relations (May 1994), p. 79
Jonathan Dewald, Europe 1450 to 1789: Encyclopedia of the Early Modern World, Charles Scribner's Sons, 2004, p. 24: "Turcoman armies coming from the East had driven the Byzantines out of much of Asia Minor and established the Persianized sultanate of the Seljuks."
Grousset, Rene, The Empire of the Steppes, (Rutgers University Press, 1991), 161, 164; "renewed the Seljuk attempt to found a great Turko-Persian empire in eastern Iran." "It is to be noted that the Seljuks, those Turkomans who became sultans of Persia, did not Turkify Persia-no doubt because they did not wish to do so. On the contrary, it was they who voluntarily became Persians and who, in the manner of the great old Sassanid kings, strove to protect the Iranian populations from the plundering of Ghuzz bands and save Iranian culture from the Turkoman menace."
Possessors and possessed: museums, archaeology, and the visualization of history in the late Ottoman Empire; By Wendy M. K. Shaw; Published by University of California Press, 2003, ISBN 0520233352, 9780520233355; p. 5.
Yeah, and the Turkic mongols didn't raped any Anatolians and other peoples, right? lol. Turkic homeland is somewhere in North-Central part of Mongolia:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ölüezgi
https://books.google.ae/books?id=rdr...ngolia&f=false
http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/...aragraphID=fgg
I already showed you my genetic results, and you refused to acknowledge that. Most of the Arabs living in North Africa and the northern Middle East are mostly of native stock, and any Arab can tell you that identifying as an Arab isn't based on genetics or race. Take the Egyptians as an example. Though most Egyptians identify themselves as Arabs, genetically they are descended from the ancient Egyptians who are not Arabs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvdY69yrvHY
I'm not in my mood to educate your ignorance Gilgamesh. Read correctly what you sent me and don't compare steppe ancestry of Turks with a Levantine Arab. :picard2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilgamesh900